and therefore nato is good at nato is in fact not a gaggle of criminals but a judicial body of some sort to long the lines of should so that if there's a nato war it's a good and legal one which is of course not the exact opposite of what it is when you get more people involved in a crime it's just a bigger crime you know rick a few weeks ago twitter announced that anyone and i'm paraphrasing here so i don't want to be fact checked here but if you criticize if you challenge the faith and that's the word faith in nato i only have faith in god i've never heard anyone having faith in a military alliance i mean this is look i mean i'm serious what i had to read it over again i mean what is this i gave this the onion is this the babylon be you know challenging our faith in a military alliance this is got this is gone to the extreme go ahead rick. yeah thanks for pointing that out i mean it has nato has virtually been enshrined as a deity as a religion i should just follow up real quickly on what bruce said which is a key point some 12 years ago. who had been assistant secretary general o

and nato support what he cannot offer dale what would like most is nato membership for the kremlin that would be an unacceptable threat to. russian warships on their way to the black sea costs of the military build up around ukraine that's been stoking tensions in recent weeks. military camps like this one have sprung up and witnesses have reported seeing reza tanks in the area now the west is condemning russia's build up and reiterating support for ukraine. united states stands firmly behind the sovereignty of turkey for turkey of ukraine. for this time. we're seeing unfortunately. russia taking a very provocative act i want to talk to you we're now seeing the largest concentration of russian forces on the border since 24 team. that was when fighting between production separatists and ukrainian troops 1st erupted in ukraine's east more than 14000 people have since died in that conflict which has yet to be resolved. in response to russia's latest moves nato secretary general yen stultified said the military alliance would stand by ukraine. we also increased presence in the black sea reg

what's it going to be is going to be an asian nato or is nato want to take over the pacific go ahead rick. thanks for raising that issue a document was published last november by nato it's called. nato 2030 modeled after the u.n. 2030 i suspect a nato 2030 united for a new era it's a 67 page documents online i invite people look at it it'll be used of course for the upcoming summit nato summit later this year and that in turn the summit will be used for crafting the 1st strategic concept as nato deems that since 2010 in the document they talked about expanding their partnerships and i don't think one person in a 1000000 in the world right now realizes that the military block nato which at the time of the fragmentation of the soviet union 1901 at 16 members and no partners now has 30 members and 40 partners that is 70 countries all together on every inhabited continent colombia is now a member of what nato aptly to love way of really cool us way a military program. that's correct right as of 3 years ago i believe and that's a book look this is by no means the end of it in this documen

auto nato crain year you know. if georgia becomes a member of nato as it was promised in 2008 then russia over your fire is a positive that you have a cause barely radii you know you have a legally clear situation where you nato mosque waging war on russia this is a response simple this is the way these people conduct politics and. yes john the stance you lost the trust of the people the people who voted for him 75 percent of ukrainians voted for him in 200-1000 because they expected peace in gone by us better relations with russia normal relations with the west but you know what happened was that basically is against you continuing our same course polishes and morse what j.f.k. is doing right now is very much like trump you know it was not coincidental that he called trump he's teacher in that infamous conversation last year which almost cost trump his position you know look. at ski eason basically pursuing the same tactic he beats for the maximum way grain is a member of nato in this way he holds the crusher who

as for the ongoing practical cooperation with nato i would like to express my sincere gratitude to nato and elyse for their substantial assistance within the trust funds and comprehensive assistance package as well as of that for their help to efficiently develop a new national programs under the auspices of the nato ukraine commission ukraine nato and allies can do a lot to prevent moscow from eskil for the escalating the situation and to ensure security in the black sea region and in the year atlantic space as a whole thank you thank you very much hard time for a few questions virtually will 1st go to john official of the b.b.c. . thanks for taking questions for me tonight the nato secretary general what would you say to people who say they're all this talk of support and warnings and serious concern just words and like hundreds of be ignored and to ukraine's minister what sort of thing do you think russia needs to see from nato countries because you made it pretty big clear there you'd like to see more than just words. well give scene since 2014 these start the nato allies and they t

and they seem to be hell bent on joining nato and nato is no less committed to you know. pushing for ukraine's further incorporation ok well then paul there's one real big wrinkle and it's not a comparison to georgia in the last 40 seconds here. crimea is part of russia and it is now and will forever be and if someone nato ukraine want to trying to change that back on the ground it's called war go ahead paul. well yes i mean there's no way that crimea. is going to return to. the ukraine on bass about society different. circumstance but i would cite just 3 but the ukrainian government is likely to to launch a full ask france if we've we've seen the head of ukrainian army on several occasions in the past couple months admit that any attempt to do this would involve massive civilian casualties so so why do you actually seem to be aware that you know but they can't do this very easily without killing huge numbers of people but of course when they do so that will prompt a russian intervention so i think that's sort of what the fish are that are causing their poll that we're go

nato a lot of problems you know if if ukraine were to become a member of nato article 5 would cover it that means that nato would have to go to war with part of ukraine occupied and that's why i don't think we're really going to see nato bringing ukraine into the fold that quickly it's also got some reforms to get under way but it nonetheless will stand by ukraine and show that it has as much political analysts or military support as allies can muster for now. the military me and you know russia when you hear russia saying that it would not accept you created. would it be going to forward with the west be penetrating too much into the russian sphere of influence if ukraine would become a member of nato. no i walk in the question but it's a little bit in that not directed at you but it's a little bit emblematic of kind of the philosophy of a lot of nato members and countries bring we're constantly looking for the problem with us couldn't just be that putin's a bully i mean might just be i mean if the distinguished i correspond to said earlier the russian might go to war in ukraine wh

and nato support what he cannot offer dale what key would like most is nato membership for the kremlin that would be an unacceptable threat to. russian warships on their way to the black sea parts of the military build up around ukraine that's been stoking tensions in recent weeks. military camps like this one have sprung up and witnesses have reported seeing reza tanks in the area now the west is condemning russia's buildup and reiterating suppose the ukraine. united states stands firmly behind the sovereignty of turkey for turkey of ukraine . for a time when we're seeing unfortunately. russia taking a very provocative act i want to tell you we're now seeing the largest concentration of russian forces on ukraine's border since 24 team. that was when fighting between production separatists and ukrainian troops the 1st erupted in ukraine's east more than 14000 people have since died in that conflict which has yet to be resolved. in response to russia's latest knaves nato secretary general yen stultified said the military alliance would stand by ukraine. we also increased presence in the

will deploy an additional $500.00 forces i imagine that that is welcome news that nato. certainly sami in any case that would have been welcome news but with tensions rising very close to nato as borders it will be even more so now this announcement came as a surprise to nato officials and to the german government when president trump said is but we know from reporting afterwards that actually nobody moved on this the pentagon didn't think it was a good move to pull out of its very comfortable and well established german bases nobody wanted to do with the belgian government did not get a follow up call from the u.s. about the troops that were supposedly moving here so it's not a complete surprise that the current administration would reverse that decision but as you said a very welcome one nonetheless. our correspondents teri schultz in brussels and emily sure went in moscow thank you sports now and football byron munich are preparing for a champions league quarter final clash with paris france from aa but the bavarians need a win to keep them in the competition piastres

nato a lot of problems you know if if you crane were to become a member of nato article 5 would cover it that means that nato would have to go to war with part of ukraine occupied and that's why i don't think we're really going to see nato bringing ukraine into the fold that quickly it's also got some reforms to get under way but it nonetheless will stand by ukraine and show that it has as much political analysts or military support as allies can muster for now. the military and you know russia when you hear russia saying that it would not accept ukrainian they do would it be going to forward with the west be penetrating too much into the russian sphere of influence if ukraine were to become a member of nato. no i won't question but it's a little bit and that not directed at you but it's a little bit emblematic of kind of the philosophy of a lot of nato members and countries bring we're constantly looking for the problem with us couldn't just be that putin's a bully i mean my to just be i mean if the distinguished i correspond to said earlier the russian might go to war in ukraine whe

was he speaking to nato there? nato is worried about an aggressive russia. should it be prepared to confront china? teri: confronting china on a military, in a military stance is a lot different than confronting china and other ways. as you know, nato has in the last couple years started to really put china on the radar being a strategic competitor and possibly a threat in some ways. china has bought up a lot of really key real estate, should we say, ports, and airports and landing strips in europe and that is something that does worry nato. and something it will turn more attention to. pulling out of afghanistan, they simply believe they will now have the resources to put in places that may be a bigger threat and may still have a chance of winning. brent: teri schultz with the latest in brussels. we'll be talking with you when our coverage continues on "the day." thank you. let's take a look at the other stories making headlines around the world. the minnesota police officer who shot and killed unarmed black man daunte wright has been arrested. prosecutors

when he said that we know nato was worried about an aggressive russia. well i think that he was trying to justify returning some resources to the united states to turn them in another direction because they have decided i mean this is justifying his is conclusion that this war is not winnable and so the united states has spent a fortune on the war in afghanistan and it believes that there are some other challenges that it really does need to turn its attention to but i also wanted to return to the point of the previous guest and point out that that when they're talking when nato is promising to continue funding civil society and helping the afghan government reform those tasks are only possible under the security umbrella that is provided by these troops when they pull out how are you going to protect your embassies how are you going to protect the united nations compound there are a lot of services that will be provided that are now being provided to the afghan government and the afghan people will be severely affected by the pullout of troops even if t

is this washes way of saying nato membership is a red line. now definitely i think again i think we should all be empathetic about the difficult situation ukraine is in but as to be point out that this is that mostly about nato expansion and one also have to point out that it's important to note that ukraine actually began emboldened by the u.s. to mobilize its troops to worse the conflict line was done by before russia then responded by mobilizing its troops so russia has been very clear there for that it would intervene if it's attacked and the reason yes nato it also it has a domestic component of course that is russia country really just stand by its political impossible if it's competitor it's in eastern ukraine are mowed down by decreeing an army but primarily this is about nato is the geo political problem that was cost 7 years ago and nato expansionism into ukraine is deemed to be an existential threat to russia so this is the source of the conflict that is russia not nato refuses to hold its expansion and pursue neutral turn it is for

we're going to talk about that in just a secretary let me go to you and ask you know about nato nato announcing today that its forces are also planning to withdrawal from afghanistan along with the americans is there united about this earlier is there a sense of mission accomplished they are at all. well tonight we just heard from secretary general still to unberth flanked by u.s. secretary of state blinken and defense secretary austin and they very much had had the same script think in fact they echoed president biden's words and so they definitely are portraying this as mission accomplished but they're changing the goals that we've been hearing about in recent years and going back to the killing of bin laden for example in saying well that happened 10 years ago so you know we're ready to go they also point out that there hasn't been a major terror attack launched from afghanistan in the time since and they say well that was another of our goals but they're worth until until now there were 3 conditions placed on the taliban for u.s. and international troops to pull out and those con

and nato but with a follow up with action in ukraine of course is not a member of nato so there is no treaty obligation there there is not and if you mean by strong reaction if ukraine will be a member of nato very soon though it will and of course it will not and it's hasn't even been granted the membership action plan. he was a are talking about stronger sanctions and this is something what my dream to have like cutting off from the swiss system our banking international transfer system something like a roman chancellor merkel has called on the e.u. to react to events in eastern ukraine resolutely and unequivocally those were her words how could the e.u. and nato support ukraine short of sending in troops should include they send additional weapons should they in fact speed up the timetable for a ukrainian membership in nato what do you think. well at the moment i think. most things have been done so there were strong words and weapons were sold to ukraine in the past year so i don't think ukrainian army needs. something which which much might change the situation on the ground of c

saying it's time to leave and nato forces also leaving of mission accomplished. i'm not sure that's how people feel we had secretary blinken and secretary austin flanking nato secretary general stolzenberg today and they were asked many questions about how you know up until now there were 3 major conditions the taliban had to meet and they didn't meet them and so why all of a sudden do these conditions no longer matter they didn't have a lot of good answers to that they simply said that we have decided that a longer military presence by the international forces is not going to help the situation and while they maintain that they will continue to support the afghan government support civil society support women's rights there's going to be a lot fewer people there to keep an eye on this along with you know not being able to protect the united nations and other bodies that are in there doing that kind of work now the u.s. president in his speech today also said that the u.s. needs to prepare for the challenges of the 21st century and he mentioned china was he speak

or if a moral let's cross over now to brussels or to the nato h.q. or d.w. where teri schultz is reporting on this story terry we understand that the nato secretary general and the ukrainian foreign minister have published or issued a joint statement so what can you tell us about that. that's right the nato ukraine commission met in emergency session earlier today convened by ukraine to discuss the situation and after that secretary-general stoltenberg said that the build up on the ukrainian border was unexplained and justifiable and deeply concerning for his part the ukrainian foreign minister said that if the kremlin dared to push this into open conflict it would be the one to lose and he warned nato allies that his country needed more backup to make sure that's the case more military equipment more more training and more political support now says then later nato has announced that it will hold a joint foreign and defense ministers meeting by video tomorrow to discuss the situation so foreign minister cleaver should feel like he's getting more support fro

troops leave and the nato troops remain what our nato allies likely to make of a potential of like that from the u.s. because you know we know that the secretary general stoltenberg said that the alliance would only leave when the time is right but those forces rely on the u.s. don't they. well they do if. the u.s. leaves then of course also the other troops from other $35.00 countries not only nato but other countries around the world will the you've because the u.s. is also the backbone of this nato troop they have the combat troops on the ground and so that if they go everybody will leave and there's a. 2 thoughts here in brussels on the one side the people say well the mission is not accomplished even after 20 years because afghanistan is not a stable country it's not a democracy as we wanted on the other hand part of the mission is of course is accomplished because the qaida has left afghanistan is no longer a source for terrorism so we can leave its force its is for sure that afghanistan will be in the same situation like 20 years ago and you have to see if in the future afghanist

and nato but when they follow up with action ukraine of course is not a member of nato so there is no treaty obligation there there is not and if you mean by strong reaction if ukraine will be a member of nato very soon no it won't of course it will not and it hasn't even been granted the membership action plan but. he was a are talking about stronger sanctions and this is something what might really happen like cutting off russia from the swiss system our banking international transfer system something like that roman chancellor merkel has called on the e.u. to react to events in eastern ukraine resolutely and unequivocally those were her words how could the e.u. and nato support ukraine short of sending in troops should include they send additional weapons should they in fact speed up the time table for a ukrainian membership in nato what do you think. well at the moment i think most things have been done so there were strong words and weapons were sold to ukraine in the past year or so i don't think ukrainian army needs. something which which much might change the situation on the

it was a nato nato warships from odessa who the way to the city of unsolved would be a menace and not just the russian black sea fleet but russian national security in general you know it's i'm going to have nice things that let me jump in here because there's like no we're talking about and this is what speculate about ukraine in nato market what kind of ukraine i mean ukraine without the donbass ukraine without crimea i mean and then that is a violation of nato zone rules because a country cannot become a member of it has territorial disputes with its neighbors there nato is probably couldn't break its own rules and rewrite them in a it's i don't put that past them but if there is a military conflict it is not going to be the don basta meet maybe it's all the way to cut off ok i mean because if you look at it from the russian side i mean if this is how you want to play then we're going to great we're going to look after our security interests of this look at what happened in in georgia in 2008 i mean said to you it was liberated then russian forces went all the way down to gori not

more weapons more money to fight and more support to join nato demands ukrainian officials are making to president biden but is this in the best interest of the united states we are going to discuss and that's why ukraine a wish is for the u.s. to get more involved in the area china is putting pressure on the u.s. to stay out of taiwan and it's going to use their climate change meeting with john kerry to further emphasize steve gild joins us to share his a realistic expectations of kerry's trip now back here at home what we are looking at those hurting the most from the quota virus having a real hard time getting the funds are already allocated for renters and landlords are going to bring you the latest and the college sports world has jumped into the debate over transgender athletes but should this have been a fight they left the pros we're going to give you the 360 view i'm sky know hughes this is news you are right here on our to america. climate change one of the major topics amongst world leaders before the chrono virus hit but you know john kerry and his delegation are said. arr

and nato support what he cannot offer nail what key would like most is nato membership for the kremlin that would be an unacceptable. russian warships on their way to the black sea parts of the military buildup around ukraine that's been stoking tensions in recent weeks. military camps like this one have sprung up and witnesses have reported seeing rows of tanks in the area now the west is condemning russia's buildup and reiterating support the ukraine. united states stands firmly behind the sovereignty of turkey for turkey of ukraine. borders. we're seeing unfortunately. russia taking a very provocative act i want to tell you right we're now seeing the largest concentration of russian forces on the border since 24 team. that was been fighting between production separatists and ukrainian troops 1st erupted in ukraine's east more than 14000 people have since died in that conflict which has yet to be resolved. in response to russia's latest knaves nato secretary general yen stultified said the military alliance would stand by ukraine. we also increased presence in the black sea region in

when he said that we know nato was worried about an aggressive russia. well i think that he was trying to justify returning some resources to the united states to turn them in another direction because they have decided i mean this is justifying his is conclusion that this war is not winnable and so the united states has spent a fortune on the war in afghanistan and it believes that there are some other challenges that it really does need to turn its attention to but i also want to return to the point of view of the previous guest and point out that that when they're talking when nato is promising to continue funding civil society and helping the afghan government reform those tasks are only possible under the security umbrella that is provided by these troops when they pull out how are you going to protect your embassies how are you going to protect the united nations compound there are a lot of services that will be provided that are now being provided to the afghan government and the afghan people that will be severely affected by the pullout of troop

ukraine's president volo dimmers alinsky recently visited frontline troops he's called on nato to put his country on a pathway to join the military bloc something moscow has called an acceptable. meanwhile washington is sending warships to the region and says it's closely watching the situation well 1st let me say we are concerned as i've said in the past but we've been of course watching it over the course of the weekend about the increasing aggression. russian forces on the border secretary blinken and secretary austin are in brussels this week meeting with their nato partners and we will of course i'm sure this will be a topic of discussion the coming week could well decide whether the tensions in ukraine escalate further into the biden administration's 1st international crisis right now it's time to go over to brussels and speak with our correspondent to racial standing by for us there hi terry nato secretary general yan stoltenberg and also the foreign minister of ukraine it to me tranquility they made a joint statement tell us more about what they've been saying. that's right uk

and the british were not relinquish ukraine easily they are absolutely adamant that ukraine who enter nato to encircle the outer on. western boots it's a very dangerous policy the americans and the british are playing here but whilst i believe that the secretary of state in the national security adviser's appointed themselves our ignorance about russian history i don't believe the people in the russia desk in the state department and also in the foreign office are ignorance out just how important ukraine is to russia you know mark we did see a bit of a stand down i mean the exercises were going into the black sea were kind of put on hold maybe been canceled as somebody saying something here but i mean you look we look at the media narrative and his are really quite extraordinary they it's rt it's quoting what reacting to russian aggression is if you can be aggressive when you're moving troops within your own country that's never properly explained i don't understand it either because there's no logical answer towards it but i mean i think marcus is on something here and i think this is tes

time is right what do nato members make of this. but the german foreign minister who was in brussels yesterday said all 30 allies and then ministry agreed to pull out politically but you also can hear that some of us was a little bit surprised about the reasoning now that there is no condition attached anymore to the pullout so the troops would leave no matter what in march they nato said we will only leave if the security level is ok but this doesn't play a role anymore and so many soldiers need to know why do we have really achieved what we did aim to achieve 20 years ago what could the pullout mean for the future of peace talks between the afghan government and the taliban and the stability of the government itself but the peace talks suddenly in dire straits the next round was planned in turkey at the end of this month but the taliban already announced that they would not participate to all troops have left the country and the stability of the government in afghanistan is very fragile as far as the troops are gone there is the f

supplier of troops in afghanistan so all of this has to be organized now because the main goal of nato is of course to get the troops out safely and the taliban of concer already threatened that the tech troops may 1st so this would be a very difficult operation to leave gunderson after 20 years and they're threatening to attack those troops after may 1st because that is the date that the chump administration agreed to with the taliban for the u.s. withdrawal you know given that they're now talking about september about 1st of all what does this mean for the future of peace talks with the taliban and 2nd of all what does it mean for the stability of the government in afghanistan what sort of situation could could the u.s. be leaving behind. but a spokesperson for the taliban already announced that they would not take part in the next round of so-called peace talks with afghanistan which risk turkey at the end of this months and the taliban the level of while insists is still high and of god has done it's targeting the civil population the civilians and the taliban threat to attack the

will deploy an additional 500 forces i imagine that that is welcome news that nato . certainly sumi in any case that would have been welcome news but with tensions rising very close to nato as borders it will be even more so now this announcement came as a surprise to nato officials and to the german government when president trump said it but we know from reporting afterwards that actually nobody moved on this the pentagon didn't think it was a good move to pull out of its very comfortable and well established german bases nobody wanted to do with the belgian government did not get a follow up call from the u.s. about the troops that were supposedly moving here so it's not a complete surprise that the current administration would reverse that decision but as you said a very welcome one nonetheless. our correspondents teri schultz in brussels and emily sherwin in moscow thank you. sports now in soccer robert love and das he has returned to training for byron munich after damaging his right knee while on international duty with poland byron's top striker is expected to

or if a moral let's cross over now to brussels or to the nato h.q. or d.w. where teri schultz is reporting on this story terry we understand that the nato secretary general and the ukrainian foreign minister have published or issued a joint statement so what can you tell us about that. that's right the nato ukraine commission met in emergency session earlier today convened by ukraine to discuss the situation and after that secretary-general stoltenberg said that the build up on the ukrainian border was unexplained and justifiable and deeply concerning for his part the ukrainian foreign minister said that if the kremlin dared to push this into open conflict it would be the one to lose and he warned nato allies that his country needed more backup to make sure that's the case more military equipment more more training and more political support now says then nato has announced that it will hold a joint foreign and defense ministers meeting by video tomorrow to discuss the situation so foreign minister cleaver should feel like he's getting more support from nato

for years, ukraine has been pushing to join nato| has been pushing tojoin nato to the annoyance of the kremlin. even if it happens, and there were no guarantees, it would take years. there is this nagging fearfor it would take years. there is this nagging fear for some that with this troop build—up, president putin might be doing more thanjust president putin might be doing more than just posturing. let's get more on this now. i know you are the senior adviser to the supreme allied commander in europe. could you tell us what you make of what russia is doing? you make of what russia is doinu ? , ~ , ., doing? yes, i think first of all it is possible _ doing? yes, i think first of all it is possible the - doing? yes, i think first of. all it is possible the russians are willing to conduct another military invasion into ukraine. it might be something relatively minor or it could be something major. the forces they have notjust on the border but also in crimea are a great cause for alarm. and it includes a maritime component. we have to think about the fact this is a direct challenge, of

and of course russia is going to make it very very difficult for nato membership here i mean it seems to me it doesn't solve any of ukraine's problems whatsoever and i don't see the european union particularly interested in bringing new crane on board ok because of the governance issue it's a lot of agriculture i mean that really doesn't serve any purpose for the for the e.u. when it has its own structural problems right now i mean it and i'm just kind of mystified i mean i guess it's kind of like the saakashvili you know phenomenon you know that he believes all these really wonderful stories and the little trinkets they put in front of him but it didn't it didn't solve any of george's problems either i just again that's why i asked of these people ideologues of the opportunists how would you describe them go ahead well basic problem for the politically leaching here is that because it doesn't run it's to revive the economy after all it is the whole dependent on western impulse and by the way also on the spot as john's which is why it's so hostile when i would also. and say you have a