i described them she wants to be with her kids they have no choice or they supposed to do question ricketson of course moments. i think somehow if we can bridge the disconnect between those two things with what we need to do. >> i don't expect you have a total answer what is your opinion what you think happened you're describing something like turning a corner where people all of the sudden shut off. as it influenced by, you mentioned europe. the scenes of syrians and after the iraq war said the domino effect of all of that playing a role in all of this the internal forces why were people able to capitalize the negative feelings in this way and result in this change in understanding about all of this? is it race? what is -- what do you think is empathy for this? >> i think the combination of things. i don't think that he one thing. this is been such a staggering time for many of us with conversations of both their different tracks inc. about how journalists have a tag immigration or tag race. think for recognizing these conversations are so part and parcel of a much larger issue that is happ