professor jeung: it is really hard to say right now. we are getting continued reports because primarily people know about us now and want to report, seeing how it is effective to report. kristen: you did a study the foundation americans are stressed more by anti-asian hate than even by covid-19? professor jeung: yeah, a chilling fact, we are more concerned as asian americans by other americans' hate than we are by a pandemic that killed over 640,000 people. that shows how widespread the racism is, how traumatizing it is and how concerned we are about the long-term impact. kristen: do you know if other races and people of color are being attacked in larger numbers? and of those numbers correlate with their population westmark professor jeung: -- population? professor jeung: hate crimes are up and hate incidents are up. epidemic proportions. but especially since asian and china were blamed for covid 19 come asian americans have been particularly impacted during covid-19. kristen: and that added on to come as you said, anti-asian sentiment