he's in conversation with alex dalton, rich have been thank you so much for joining me. in the alex island shore from auckland, in new zealand. and to raj, nice to meet alice dotted. a lot of the economic analysis of, of the pandemic is focused on the, the acute face, the, the sharp fallen. what o g d p, the shot recovery in many countries? but do you think that the longer term effects be concentrate of what's called long over the long debilitating condition that many people are suffering from? i think it's obviously early days in the sense that we don't know what long kind of it really is going to be looking like longer term. but it certainly giving us indications that it can be something that has a very long tail, and it could effect a great proportion of the population, especially the younger part of the population. that's going to have a very enduring economic cost. is there any similar disease? what has that debilitating effect and the significant quantity that has been measured? it's a, some compatible can have with other conditions. i could speak to my own persona