he said, quote, essentially everyone in the room, jeff clark was advocating for jeff clark to become attorney general. everyone else was adamantly opposed to the president taking that step. he said, we went around the room telling the president why he wii thought it was a terrible idea. the president said, what do i have to lose? what do i lose if i put jeff clark in at this point. i said, sir, you stand to lose a great amount. there was discussion whether jeff clark was qualified to serve as attorney general. we told president trump there would be mass resignations if he did that. he said, suppose i do, that take him out and put him in? if you do, i'd resign immediately. he turned to engel and said, steve, you wouldn't resign, would you. he said, absolutely, i would, mr. president trump, you would leave me no choice. >> everyone is going to resign. these are your people. they're not bureaucrats left over from another administration. these are your hand-picked people. these are the people you sent to the senate. they all confirmed. they're all going to wauc away from you all at once.

they still really want to speak with jeff clark for example. who is someone who's not responded to any of their requests. as you can see from this report, we have a really full picture of what the experience was like on the justice department side, how they felt getting these requests from the white house, to help up and the results of the election. but what's their testimony, their notes, their extensive handwritten notes, emails and other documents, show is that they were never quite sure what was going on at the white house. they were never quite sure exactly who was coming up with what. it fell to them like scheme after scheme, plot after plot, two up in the election. they had excess -- scott perry of pennsylvania. they had a sense that he asked jeffrey clark, to come to the white house, to help with legal issues, and to be a voice from the justice department. but they were never really sure, exactly what was going on. i think the committee will have to stir it interviewing other witnesses. including witnesses from the white house side, to

here is jeff clark, head of the environmental division, the civil division, jeff clark is saying, let's send out this letter to georgia. it should be signed by the attorney general and the deputy attorney general. let's get this out there. let's do it fast. this was a scheme with trump. in today's report from the senate judiciary committee, we learn that the attorney general at the time was told by jeff clark that if he did sign on to that crazy letter to georgia, then he could stay on as attorney general. he was told if he didn't sign on to it, he would be taken out. he would be replaced as attorney general by jeff clark. by the guy who wrote the georgia letter, the guy who concocted and pursuing this scheme. jeffrey rosen, you sign on to this letter and we're going to send it to the republican controlled legislatures to overturn the results. if you don't sign on, you will be fired and replaced with a guy who will do it instead of you. that's what jeffrey rosen was told. he was acting attorney general. the deputy attorney general was rich donaghue. he explains what it was like to talk

but we shall also see if jeff clark continues to be gainfully employed. just a couple of nights ago we had rhode island senator sheldon whitehouse here as a guest. he's on the judiciary chit kmit tee in the senate that turned up evidence of what jeff clark and trump had done, the committee that referred jeff clark to the bar association for potential disciplinary action as a lawyer once they found what he had done. the senator made an interesting point that stuck with me. in my interview with him he pointed out to us that since jeff clark left the trump administration, he left the justice department, his new job was a place the senator called a dark money shop, a place he called the new civil liberties alliance. what this group is is a right wing advocacy group that does things like bring lawsuits against vaccine requirements and lawsuits against gun safety laws and stuff. a right wing organization that does have opaque funding. and that brings lawsuits that serve right wing causes. in july of this year that group, in fact, put out a big, bold press relea

so that went out tonight to, former justice department jeff clark. based on what is already known about what's clark tried to do, with donald trump here, how we try to use the justice department to keep trump in power after he lost the elections. based on what is already known about his behavior, the judiciary committee in the senate has already referred to jeff clark to the d.c. bar administration, for potential disciplinary action against him as a lawyer. well now on top of that he's been subpoenaed to hold at hand over documents, and -- and you know, honestly who knows if he will. the ability of that investigation, to actually get records and documents. to actually get testimony from people, it's still a little hazy as to whether or not they're gonna be able to do it. and as we've been reporting, trump is trying to get his folks to defy the subpoenas. to refuse to testify, to refuse to hand over materials. a whole bunch of a trump administration officials, and people involved in the events of january six, are now having their deadlines. in the sub

rosen and made jeff clark the acting attorney general. the senate judiciary committee's democratic staff report says at some point during the meeting deputy attorney general richard dawn hue and assistant attorney general steven engel made clear that all the assistant attorneys general would resign if trump replaced rosen with clark. they also recalled white house counsel pat cipollone and deputy council patrick fillben pushing back against the proposal calling clark's letter a murder-suicide pact. and the two white house lawyers indicating that they would also resign. despite being informed early on that the clark course of action would prompt mass resignations. and even though every participant in the meeting except clark advocated strongly against that course of action, trump continued for some time to entertain the idea of installing clark in rosen's plays. and so donald trump who tlaut his life has been a cowardly man, got scared. he was afraid of many or most of the 90 u.s. attorneys and hundreds of assistant u.s. attorneys and doze

this is jeff clark. mr. clark with trump hatched this scheme by which the justice department would hold a press conference after the election and declare at that press conference that there were serious fraud problems in the election in multiple states and the justice department was investigating these very serious problems. he then wanted to send a letter to swing states that biden won, a letter from the justice department, advising officials in those states that the justice department thought there were serious problems with the elections in those states, and republican state legislators should therefore, you know, start investigating the election results or whatever. they should get to work on whatever they needed to do to not send biden electorals to the electoral college even though in reality biden won those states. that was the jeff clark plan, we know from the senate judiciary committee's investigation of these matter. and we know that the plan, while it had a lot of detail in it and they took a lot

clark should be asking himself. who are you, jeff clark? are you an attorney? are you a former justice department official? are you somebody who is going to abide by the rule of law and follow the directives of the subpoena or are you a trump loyalest and going to get in line behind steve bannon and others and try to fight it and gamble for time? it will be interesting to see how he answers that question. >> we're also learning tonight that the former acting attorney general, jeffrey rosen met with the select committee for eight hours today and we know from a senate judiciary board on january 3rd, trump tried to pressure rosen to overturn the election for hours. what role will he play in this investigation? i'm talking about rosen. >> key witness. that is the role that he will play. listen, i can tell you, don, i have been there many times. i've sat in the chair that he sat in today for eight, ten, 12 hours at a stretch. it is a long and hard day. mr. rosen is making himself available. administration has not blocked his appearance with any claims of executive p

jeff clark. and the republican staff, of the senate judiciary committee, refuses to defend the constitution, against those two enemies who they found in this investigation. i know what it feels like to take that oath. i cannot imagine what it feels like to violate that oath. no committee staff, in the senate, has ever produced a more disgraceful piece of work, then the republican committee staff, in the senate judiciary committee, and we have every reason to fear, that that staff, will be doing work like that, in washington, for decades to come. leading off our discussion tonight's democratic congressman hakeem jeffries of new york. he's the chairman of the house democratic caucus, and a member of the house judiciary committee. thank you very much for joining us tonight, we really appreciate. as a member of the judiciary committee of the house, and now seeing with the senate judiciary committee has revealed, you to have jurisdiction, oversight jurisdiction of what goes on at the justice departmen

and so, jeff clark didn't speak to them. but the house committee that's investigating the january 6th attack, they apparently do not have that problem. and so, clark is going to be coming in this day next week to speak to the january six investigation committee. progress. investig ation committee. and this news comes, of course, just as of the full house voted yesterday. all the democrats, and nine republicans, voted yesterday that another important witness for that investigation, maybe a subject of that investigation, i don't? now should be referred to the justice department for potential prosecution. that criminal referral of trump advisor steve bannon is now at the u.s. attorney's office in washington d.c.. they will considered independently, and make their own decision about whether to press charges, we are waiting to see if they will put steve ninan on trial in that manner. but again, the prospect of accountability there, that's a glimmer. those glimmers, today, also arrive alongside a bizarre turn today for a trump law

jeff rosen, who was donald trump's final acting attorney general. if jeff rosen told the house committee the same things that he told the senate judiciary committee about jeffrey clark, then jeffrey clark is living in fear of criminal charges tonight of attempted election fraud and conspiracy to commit election fraud. joining our discussion, jill wine-banks former assistant prosecutor and matt miller former spokesman for attorney general eric holder. i want to begin with this key question that i think has left a lot of us confused. why were you so effective in getting compliance to subpoenas against president nixon and his administration during the watergate investigation and the democrats in congress have been so ineffective in relative terms in pursuit of the same kind of subpoenas against team trump? >> it's really a very simple answer. because president nixon, despite his crimes and despite all the wrong that he did, actually believed in our system of laws and government. and when confronted with a supreme court decision, he agreed to comply. so

according to donahue, perry talked up clark effectively saying jeff clark is great. he's the kind of guy who could really get in there and do something about this. as for donahue's email saying, can i send you stuff? we've got a lot of evidence. he sent a document of debunked claims like this one. >> over 205,000 more votes were cast in pennsylvania than people who voted in the november election. >> reporter: claims perry clung to as he objected to the 2020 election results just hours after rioters stormed the u.s. capitol. >> sadly, but resolutely, i object to the electoral votes of my beloved commonwealth of pennsylvania. >> reporter: an objection he still stands by as he continues to cast doubts on the election. >> would you vote the same way now? >> i absolutely would. it's not about president trump. it's not about president biden. it's about the process. >> reporter: now it's still unclear whether the house select committee will want to talk to scott perry. we reached out to his office with a variety of questions and asked them for comment. they didn't get back

. >> i'm jeff clark. >> jeffrey clark, a doj official who was pedaling falsehoods, was scheduled to appear for a deposition tomorrow, but cnn has learned that clark and his attorney are no longer working together and the committee has now postponed his interview as a result of his change in counsel. the committee considers clark and his role of high importance. >> clark had a lot to do with this plan for january 6th and he also was apparently making a play to become the attorney general, which caused a huge number of lawyers to say they would resign immediately so we'd get something like the saturday night massacre. >> and while the committee moves ahead, they are still waiting to see how the department of justice will handle their criminal contempt referral of steve ban. the doj has yet to say how they'll move forward. on friday, there are also depositions scheduled with amy and kylie kremer. they were all organizers of the rallies that took place on january 6th. at this point, the committee says to expect those depositions to take place. wolf. >> all right, ryan. thank you very much. rya

what can jeff clark tell us about his communications with the white house is there there is a block hole there. two, what if people like representative scott perry -- who harry mentioned. perry emerges in this part. we had written a story in january saying he was a key player but he comes out in this report strong as somebody who was happening the white house create some sort of map to keep trump in power. he was also a sitting member of congress. so you have to wonder if there is not more report asking not more information to be gathered there. it does seem like the senate committee is on it. but it will take a while for them to gather those facts. >> and we will keep pursuing that line of questioning. thank you for sharing it with us. katie benner. harry will itman thank you for starting us off. jonathan lemere is sticking around. >> when we come back, much, much more on this blockbuster report. senate judiciary chairman dick durbin will be our guest. where does the investigation go from here. >>> also, joe biden is out touting covid-19 vaccines, well, they work and pushing more employ

clark and mr. eastman? >> i think jeff clark just has to come and tell the truth. he was a low level environmental lawyer running temporarily the civil division. he decided to try to overstep his bounds by far. basically try and machinate to become the attorney general and displace jeffrey rosen, the acting attorney general. we need to know the story about what happened. and particularly what did trump say to him, and what did he say to trump, and what was trump's role in this whole thing? it's been almost a year, and we don't have answers to those basic questions. which is just unforgivable. as far as john eastman, i think a subpoena on him is inevitable. he tried last week to say he didn't believe his own memo. like he forgot who told him to even write it. that was part of his story. i've had hundreds of cases. you never forget who tells you to write a memo on something. if your task is to write a legal memo to justify a coup and overthrow an election, i think you remember who told you to write that memo. >> yes. go ahead. >> and then things got worse for him tod

>> i think jeff clark just has to come and tell the truth. this is a guy who is in a low level environment running temporarily this in full division and he decided to train, over step his dogs by far basically trying to become the attorney general and displaced jeffrey rosen who could be the acting attorney general. we need to know the story about what happened. particularly what have been and what he said to trump, and what was trump's role in this whole thing. it has been brian almost a year and we don't have the answer to those basic questions. which is just unforgivable. it's part of john eastman, the subpoena on him is inevitable. he tried last week to say, as you are saying, that he didn't even believe his own memo. and that story was incredible. he forgot in told that to even righted, that that was part of the story. i've had hundreds of cases, you never forget who tells you to write a memo on something, even a bankruptcy case or something like. that if you're texas still read a legal memo, to justify a coup and overthrow an election,

clark and potentially other people in the department to support his claims. bill barr obviously did not want to have anything to do with this because he resigned well before january 6th, but this is what the committee's trying to understand. was this a wider conspiracy that trump directed from the private residence in the white house, and if so, was there some sort of active investigation going on, which rosen wouldn't have been in a place to understand because the fbi director chris wray reported to him. >> okay, hugo lowell, thanks for joining us. appreciate it. >>> boosters and mandates, how much safer are they making america? we've got some answers next. - had enough? - no... arthritis. here. new aspercreme arthritis. full prescription-strength? reduces inflammation? thank the gods. don't thank them too soon. kick pain in the aspercreme. hi, i'm steve and i live in austin, texas. i work as a personal assistant don't thank them too soon. to the owner of a large manufacturing firm. i've got anywhere from 10 to 50 projects going at any given time. i absolute

according to donahue, perry talked up clark effectively saying jeff clark is great. he's the kind of guy that can really get in and do something about this. as for donahue's emails, can i send you stuff, we have a lot of evidence? he sent a document of debunked claims like this one. . >> over 205,000 more votes were cast in pennsylvania than people who voted in the november election. >> reporter: claims perry clung to as he objected to the results just hours after they stormed the u.s. capitol. >> my beloved commonwealth of pennsylvania. >> reporter: an objection he still stands by as he continues to cast doubts on the election. >> would you vote the same way now? >> i absolutely would. it's not about president trump. it's not about president biden. it's about the process. >> reporter: it's unclear if the committee will want to talk to scott perry. ryan nobles caught up with him on the hill. he said he doesn't like to talk to cnn. >> perry introduced him to jeffrey clark. how did he know him? >> reporter: we asked multiple times. they have not responded to our questi

jeff clark was a key trump loyal ally in the justice department in the days between the november election and then what happened on january 6th. and he is thought to have been one of the key vigilance of peddling the false narrative of possible voter fraud in some key states across the country, and even was reaching out to state officials on behalf of the justice department and the trump administration, to convince them to look into what he claimed were election irregularities. now, we've known for quite some time that clark and his attorneys have been in conversation with the january 6th select committee, and the committee very interested in clark's role in spreading this misinformation in attempts to undermine the election results for some time, but they couldn't come to some sort of an agreement on cooperation. and that's why it seems pretty clear that as soon as today, the select committee is poised to subpoena jeffrey clark, to get him to comply with their desire to learn more information. so this is a significant development, and of course, it comes just a couple -- you know, just a

they will ask about congressman scott perry who played a role in bringing jeff clark into the white house's inner circle. they want to know were there any other members of the congress playing a role in the leadup to january 6th to try to lay the legal foundation for reversing the outcome of that election. they will have so many questions. it is the first time clark has answered questions under oath from lawmakers since january 6th happened. i can't overstate how big a deal it is. >> one of the things that is interesting about what we're going to watch unfold in these hearings is that part of it is about accountability. part of it is about understanding what happened so that it never happens again. as the curtain is pulled back, as we have a greater understanding of what transpired, do you think that any of that impacts what we are seeing locally? do you think there are people who have been ignited by what has happened on the national stage? we're going to watch what happens and all of a sudden change their minds? i mean, how does that information trickle down? >> alicia, in short, it does

clarke who actually did thing like -- his own investigations, he had no authority to do. so one of the major things we need to ensure is that the department of justice is not the president's law firm. the independence of the department of justice is very critical, and if we have to pass some legislation to make that crystal clear, that's what we should consider doing. >> is congress's hands tied to the degree that the legislative branch can't really legislate with the executive branch can do. >> the three branches of government -- there are three branches of government. congress can do a lot. it would be helpful if we didn't have the obstructionist republicans that actually are willing to send this country over the economic cliff by kinds of games they're plague with the debt ceiling. so we can do a lot if there's more of an understanding that there are things we need to do, and we can do it in a bipartisan way. it takes both sides to do so and we're in a situation where it's really hard. that's one of the reasons that i support eliminating the filibuster, so we can get j

jeff rosen. jeffrey clark said that trump told him rosen was going to be fired and clark was going to take over as acting attorney general. this was in the context of clark moving forward trump's efforts to overturn the election. it is extremely important to know what clark knows and level of detail he has about the election overturned effort. the other thing interesting about clark is most of the lawyers around trump in his final days who were pushing this effort to reverse the election outcome were not government employees. rudy giuliani could not get a job in the trump administration. john eastman did not have a trump administration job. this is the end of the trump administration and only trump's most on-board bitter loyalists were still working for him and in the category of people, clark was the only senior trump administration lawyer that we know of who was actively pushing to spread conspiracy theories to these other states. the white house counsel was against it. jeff rosen. was against

rhee clark, who was willing to play ball with the former president's efforts to undermine the election results, so it shows you that the committee is focusing on this pressure campaign by the white house, by the former president, how he was trying to use the justice department to undermine democracy. now, there's an outstanding question of whether jeffrey clark, the former justice official, will he comply? so far, he has really not been willing to do what he has been asked. but at this point, we've learned from a source familiar that he is likely to testify in some form, because as we've seen other top justice officials have been complying and he doesn't have a lot of other option at this point. >> carrie, kind of back on this topic of do congressional subpoenas have teeth, adam schiff said this showdown over subpoenas from the committee, he sees it, the way he put it, as an early test of whether our democracy is recovering. do you see the stakes at being that high? >> i think the stakes are high, and i understand why the congressman used it that way. congress, as you know, is an indep

jeffrey clark was a key player in the election results. in at least nine calls or meetings, president trump directly raised claims of election fraud for doj to investigate. mark meadows, asked acting a.j. rosen to launch a fraud investigation. assistant a.g. clark attempted to recruit rose on the back his scheme on the georgia process in exchange for clark turning down trump's request. his allies inexuding scott perry of pennsylvania participated in the doj pressure campaign. lastly, the doj deviated from its longstanding policy of investigating election fraud claims after certification to avoid politicizing the department. based on the report, the committee may suggest criminal prosecutions. meanwhile republicans issued their own findings based on the same testimony and concluded that the former president was concerned about electionic integrity in general and followed the advice of doj officials. former president trump is instructing his former aides and allies not to comply with subpoenas from the select committee investigating the janu

matt mill e jeff lee clark, who was subpoenaed yesterday -- a lot of what we know about jeffrey clark we know it would appear, from mr. rosen's testimony. jeffrey clark has been subpoenaed. we though about what jeffrey clark said and did in terms of how it impacted mr. rosen. we know there was an attempt for clark the replays rosen. they walked in and threatened to quit along with members of the counsel's office. we don't know specificity how vast the conversations were between mr. trump and clark. >> i think it is hard for people who don't work in the justice department to understand how egregious clark's behavior was. he was out on his own conducting sort of investigations into alleged voter fraud, both of which he has no jurisdiction over and without his superiors knowing he was doing it. he was talking directly with the white house w the president, which he's not allowed to do under department of justice rules. and he was talking with at least one republican member of congress, which he's also not allowed to do under justice department rules. he was violating multiple justice depa

rosen with a loyalist, jeffrey clark to carry out the scheme. >> we were a half step away from a full blown constitutional crisis. >> top leaders at the justice department warned they would resign en masse if he acted as dird white house counsel pat cipollone. a parade of former trump officials are recounting tum's obsession with overturning the election in anti attempted coup. >> he was heightened, and he was so about, this was stolen from us, this was stolen from us. >> we all watched it happening. because it didn't seem to be behind the scenes clandestined in any way, it became normalized. >> many republicans are still defending him. >> the president did the right thing. if he had made another decision, you would have had a problem. >> around the can country trump allies are pushing laws that would allow republican legislators to easily overturn the vote if it doesn't go their way. >> i'm alarmed, most people are alarmed that we're still facing issues of election disinformation. >> this is about going after the integrity of the election system not only in idaho, but as a whole. >>

clarke: baseline, over 70,000. that number is still increasing every day. jeff is getting his physical exercise today. >> you need a vacation. >> thank you, general. patricia chi with military.com. there's been a lot of talk about oath keepers and extremist groups actively recruiting people from, you know, your organization on the military in general, but especially you all because you have the high training. and there was a guy who was a former green beret arrested on january 6. what are you doing to combat the internal threat, and do you have an active effort to either entertain these folks about recruitment, or are you seeking to see if any of your members are actually members of these groups? >> patricia, there's no place -- i've got to start there is no place for extremism in our groups. i'm aware of some of the folks you mentioned and others. i personally -- when i visit our forces around the globe, particularly within the united states, every single place i go, we have a conversation about extremism and what it can do to our force because i think you

clarke: baseline, over 70,000. that number is still increasing every day. jeff is getting his physical exercise today. >> you need a vacation. >> thank you, general. patricia chi with military.com. there's been a lot of talk about oath keepers and extremist groups actively recruiting people from, you know, your organization on the military in general, but especially you all because you have the high training. and there was a guy who was a former green beret arrested on january 6. what are you doing to combat the internal threat, and do you have an active effort to either entertain these folks about recruitment, or are you seeking to see if any of your members are actually members of these groups? >> patricia, there's no place -- i've got to start there is no place for extremism in our groups. i'm aware of some of the folks you mentioned and others. i personally -- when i visit our forces around the globe, particularly within the united states, every single place i go, we have a conversation about extremism and what it can do to our force because i think you

clarke: well over 95%, so -- >> [inaudible] gen. clarke: baseline, over 70,000. that number is still increasing every day. jeff is getting his physical exercise today. >> thank you, general. i am with military.com. there has been a lot of talk about the oath keepers and a lot of these extremist groups actively recruiting people from your organization and the military, in general, but especially you all because you have such high training. can you talk about -- and there was a guy who was a former green beret arrested on january 6. what are you doing to combat the internal threat, and do you have an active effort to either educate these folks about recruitment or are you seeking to see if your members are actually members of these groups? gen. clarke: patricia, there is no place for it. i have got to start, there is no place for extremism within our ranks. yes, i am aware of some of the groups you mentioned and others. personally, when i visit our forces around the globe and a lot within the united states, every single place i go, we have a conversation about extr

the former acting attorney general jeff rosen. and former president trump trying to block the release of documents from the national archives and the clock here is ticking. laura jarrett is with us on this story. laura, what are you expecting to see today? >> guys, the big question this morning is whether anyone shows up. house investigators end up sitting in a room alone. the committee scheduled two depositions for today and two for friday. up first, kash patel. he was trump's defense secretary and is engaging with the january 6th committee. but no word whether he will actually turn up on the hill today. and then former trump adviser steve bannon. he is stonewalling the committee on documents and already said he will be a no-show today. in a statement last night, bannon's attorney said his client isn't participating because trump told him not to, citing executive privilege. bannon, you'll recall, was fired back in 2017, so he wasn't even part of the executive branch on january 6th, making any assertions of privilege about his tal

the report says then assistant an g jeffrey clark was a key player in the effort to subvert election results -- >> sedition. a key player in sedition against the united states of america and the constitution of the united states of america. >> it makes the following key findings in at least nine calls or meetings president trump directly raised discredited claims of election fraud for doj to investigate. white house chief of staff mark meadows asked an g rosen to launch an investigation based on a conspiracy data about election data in italian facilities. >> he has this italian man thing where he says some italian dude fixed our elections. am i mixing qanon conspiracy theories? it's amazing. assistant an g trying to recruit acting ag rosen to interfere in georgia's certification process in exchange for clark turning down the president's offer to install him as attorney general. >> and trump allies including scott perry of pennsylvania participated in the doj pressure campaign. trump forced the resignation of u.s. attorney b.b.j. pak and th doj deviated its policy from investigating a

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