. >> we have stacey abrams and one of the things that's going to be interesting is her perspective and ow much washington effects the race for governor. that's the dynamic we're watching with the virginia situation and stealmate among democratsen the infrastructure bills that a lot of blame being aimed at washington for why don't you have this done? so you can guarantee that win for terry mcallf in virginia. i don't know what the dynamics of that really is. i think stacey abrams has a good perspective on it. >> first of all, she can send us all to school on the dynamics. but she's lived that in a real way. >> we have reporting thank president biden will go up to the house of representatives at 9:00 a.m., for their meeting at 9:00 a.m., delaying his flight to scotland, a little bit. >> she's requested the rules committee schedule a session for tomorrow. when she requested it, she asked them to consider half a dozen different things, which meant, what on this list do you really mean? and it sounds like what she wanted them to do was be ready to move on that senate-passed bill, if you can

let's run against stacey abrams. in pennsylvania, there were reportedly hundreds of thousands more votes than there were voters. oh, i see. philadelphia, more votes than voters. that is a tough one to explain.

you know, about four years ago, we had, you know, stacey abrams in georgia. we had gubernatorial candidate in florida. when you think about it, they really broke -- they started to breakthrough on the ceiling. stacy, we are really standing on stacy's shoulders in terms of statewide. you remember you were the first reporter that actually had i think all of five of the black candidates running for the united states senate on your show last cycle and what we're going to see is a continuing, you know, black candidates bring a type of energy to democratic politics that you don't see or we haven't seen in a long time. they're able to galvanize the

the state of georgia where stacey were abrams ran for governor. is not one of the states. . leading off our discussion today stacey abrams, the founder of fair fight action, a political action committee, working to keep elections fair. thank you very much for joining us tonight. we really appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. i want to start where i ended there, in your introduction. and that is with medical debt, that is the number one cause a personal bankruptcy in this country. and i want to begin there because it is the real world of health, care it's the real world of the way people live in this country, in a lot of that is getting lost in the way that we are covering the day today, given take on this tax proposal, versus that tax proposal, to pay for the programs that president biden is trying to advance, and inside those, programs there's an awful lot that is meaningful, and important to real people in their lives, especially people for example, struggling with medical debt, and personal bankruptcy that can follow. that >> absolutely, one of the things that we ar

since donald trump endorsed stacey abrams and stacey abrams has endorsed mr. mcauliffe, as donald trump by extension endorsed mr. mcauliffe in the virginia race even though he says he has likes youngkin. i don't know? this is our politics today. >> it's like the bouncing ball. that means in my introduction, i mistakenly identified you as an msnbc analyst, because you can't be that anymore now that you're considering a run. that's right, that's right. i have been off the msnbc payroll clock for quite some time since i announced my exploratory committee and hopefully, you know, we'll see where the ball bounces in the next few weeks. >> sorry, it just rolled off the tongue. i guess i didn't get the memo. >> it's all good! >> good luck! that means you have to come on all the time and we'll talk about the race. thank you so much, michael steele. good to see you, my friend. >>> 90% of the world's goods are shipped by sea and you probably wouldn't care until now, thus the problem with the shipping log jam and it's not getting any better. jam and it's not gettingy bet

stacey abrams very much for being here and all you do. still a lot to get to tonight. a lot. and up next, attorney general merrick garland faces a grilling from members of his own party on whether he intends -- i don't know if it's members of his own party, but basically, whether he intends to hold the twice impeached chee-to man responsible for his role in the january 6 insurrection. we'll be back after this. from unitedhealthcare. medicare supplement plans help by paying some of what medicare doesn't... and let you see any doctor. any specialist. anywhere in the u.s. who accepts medicare patients. so if you have this... consider adding this. call unitedhealthcare today for your free decision guide. ♪ ok, let's talk about those changes to your financial plan. bill, mary? hey... it's our former broker carl. carl, say hi to nina, our schwab financial consultant. hm... i know how difficult these calls can be. not with schwab. nina made it easier to set up our financial plan. we can check in on it anytime. it changes when our goals change. planning can't be that easy. actually

stacey abrams on today's big hearing for voting, writes in lawrence tribe and the threat to democracy, that no one is talking about. then the unbelievable story of a lieutenant governor, undoing public health measures, while her governor was out of state for a stunt visit to the border. and more courage from the fox news crowd, calling out other employers, for enforcing vaccine requirements, just like fox news. >> i don't think it makes sense for espn to be mandating the vaccine, for employees. >> when all in starts right now. good evening from, new york i'm chris say. as we are fast approaching this second big test of post trump electoral politics. the first was the failed california recall election. where democratic governor gavin newsom handily defeated a trump opponent, in a deep blue state. we didn't know is going to, happen but it was a resounding victory. virginia, holds its given its oreo election on november 2nd. and while joe biden won that state by ten points last, year polling right now shows a tight race. and republican candidate, is in an interesting position here. the e

stacey abrams showed up and mcauliffe was there. and he basically said stacey abrams really won the election in georgia. i thought you weren't supposed to dispute elections. and president obama showed up because mcauliffe is on a respirator politically. he said don't fall for these phony trumped up culture wars. is what's happening with crt culture wars? >> number one, it's not a culture war. it's declaring war on the united states history who we are as a people trying to blame people had nothing to do with events that occurred in history because of their race. that's offensive to me. and what terry mcauliffe said is that stacey abrams is really the legitimate governor of georgia because she was cheated because the georgia republicans disenfranchised people from voting and obama said that republicans are intentionally trying to keep black people from voting. now, all i can say that's obama b.s. what we're trying to do is keep voting integrity in place. i want everybody to vote but i don't want anybody to cheat and mail in voting is

you're watching live pictures out of fairfax, virginia, where democratic star stacey abrams is set to speak any moment now. she among other democratic heavy hitters are out in full force campaigning for terry mcauliffe. in the final weeks of the consequential virginia governors race. for more, i want to bring in sean sullivan, politics reporter at "the washington post." i want to read a bit from your piece talking about kind of the heavy weights that mcauliffe marched out in these final days of this election. as the democratic cavalry marches into virginia, one name is conspicuously missing, president biden. mcauliffe allies fear biden's declining approval ratings are hurting the democratic nominee while mcauliffe has in some ways distanced himself from biden and recently declared the president unpopular in virginia. do you really think here -- re"r" we seeing declining poll numbers from the president, hence the reason why he's staying away from this race? >> i think there's a lot of worry right now among the allies and the broader democratic party that the president's broader struggl

let's run against stacey abrams. i would like that. >> trump always needs to have a foil, somebody to lash out against, but this thing with stacey abrams, it comes up over and over again. she's given no indication she's going to run for president. why is he bringing this up? >> that's a great question. well, she is a rising star in the democratic party so it's not out of the question, you know, in eight years that she could be in the democratic primary field. i think he likes to kind of build her up because of how much she hates brian kemp and he has said that he -- you know, the governor of georgia, said that he would prefer stacey abrams as the governor instead of someone he considers a weak republican. >> we should note the president is still under investigation in fulton county in georgia for some of the calls he made to local officials there after the election trying to sway them. i do want to ask about the comment we just heard jasmine wright play from terry mcauliffe, running for governor of virginia. he admit

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that's what happened to stacey abrams. they took the votes away. >> sean: soak in deep blue virginia really go read a week from tomorrow? the race is dead even. the democrats are on defense and biden will campaign with mcauliffe tomorrow with a whopping approval rating in the mid-30s. here with reaction, fox news can bidders ari fleischer, leo terrell. you have to bring in obama, kamala harris, joe biden, not very popular, jill biden, maybe a little more popular, and stacey abrams. is that going to work? you know this state as well is any, ari fleischer. >> no, it's not going to work. i think glenn youngkin on the strength of his individual record, is common sense as a businessman, and he's just a smart, sharp, reasonable guy. i think the odds are very strong removing in his favor, sean. it's going to be a massive upset but let me talk about what barack obama just said because it is so upsetting. this is the typical stuff the democrats throw at the end of every election. this is the heir to voter i.d. is racist. they say n

he is afraid of stacey abrams. i do know what she has got, but he and the republicans, he is afraid of stacey abrams and refuses to take on the corrupt democrats in the state of georgia. i know, it's fraught with danger. you have to do it. it is for the country. i've been alabama, i love alabama. i win by a record vote. i wouldn't south carolina by a record vote. right next to them is georgia, i lose by that much. doesn't work that way. a new investigation alleges gigantic illegal ballot harvesting operation involving large numbers of people throughout the state of georgia, and many other places. why are they not investigating this stuff? congressman gave up his guaranteed seat because he saw what was happening, also in georgia, everybody has heard the water more -- water main break story of people were rushed out of the room because of a water main break area. everybody leave! there was no water main break, only to see a crew of democrat operatives or whoever come back and start pouring votes into machines from bo

you could argue that they don't get much bigger than stacey abrams. that is some fire power that he is bringing, which has become really a national race. >> reporter: it sure has, jim. the message here is that what happens in virginia really has implication for the whole country. that is why we see stacey abrams and other national democratic figures here in the final days of this tight race. she told the crowd here to show america that virginia hasn't taken its foot off of the gas, perhaps no one more influential in the democratic party than abrams who president biden and senate majority leader chuck schumer credit with helping turn georgia blue and get those two senate seats. and so that is why we see that she came here, giving that same message that just because it's an off-year election doesn't mean that you can sort of be asleep, that you still have to be critically engaged. that is what she told the crowd here, and that message well received. take a listen. >> i'm here from georgia. we don't have an election this year for the governor. but i know

that's what happened to stacey abrams. they took the votes away. >> to be clear, the 1.4 million voters that were removed from the rolls were removed from the rolls from 2012 until 2018. and it was based on a law that a democratic governor, democratic legislature in georgia assigned back in the '90s. glen youngkin replied on twitter saying this morning terry mcauliffe claimed the 2018 election in georgia was stolen from stacey abrams. quote, they took the votes away, one day after saying this kind of talk is, quote, running down our democracy. what do you make of it all? >> so i think it is a clever bait and switch by mr. youngkin in virginia. you have a candidate there that is taking advantage of what normally happens after party sweeps control of congress, which is some headwinds. that's normal. trying to capture the frustration and the passion of trump supporters to then turn that back around off of an election where we did see a consistent effort from republicans for not just across georgia but across much of the south

so terry mcauliffe is drawing on the likes of obama, stacey abrams in this campaign. will it help him? >> sure. and what terry mcauliffe needs most is to energize democrats. we've seen he's held a very narrow lead in polling. after a presidential contest, the party that did not win the white house is more energized. 11 virginia nub na to recall races. partly that reflects virginia being so democratic. >> black senate candidates are raking in cash. >> raphael warnock are incu incumbents. we have a 50-50 senate. it is maximally important to re-elect their incumbents. val demings, running against marco rubio. that is a hugely done part, black voters are increasing part of the party base, increasingly powerful within the party. their party is in the right and him being after amrican-americat makes him not feeding into it. >> unclear if he wants to run again but gop senator bill cassidy was on axios. he pushed back on this idea. take a listen to what he says and i want to ask you about it. >> if he runs, he wins the nomination. >> we don't know that. >> president trump is

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vote for stacey abrams. if you are a georgia republica, you got to be thinking this guy is a cancer. >> this is a guy who everything go to the prism of his ego. if he didn't do enough for help donald trump to overthrow the 2020 election, he's got to go, too. the national star becomes the governor of the state, so be it. that'll feel better for donald trump. elise jordan is with us. donald trump perhaps for a moment, some republicans drifted away from him after january 6th but about a week later they all came back and now if you watch their interviews, every one of them again is bending a knee and going along for a ride of the idea that the election is in valid and still overturned, they're going along for the ride on this. they're going to go down with him. if stacey abrams become the next governor of georgia, it will be because of donald trump. >> that's what kills me. donald trump has no loyalty to these republicans who is want to benefit by hanging from his coat tails, still. he does not mind. he openly r

stacey abrams delivered georgia. she turned georgia and what has happened, republicans about 2,000 recommendations trying to suppress the black vote all over again. so everybody knows that it's the power is in the ballot and you can see it graphically with the rise and fall of the reconstruction. thank you very much. that was my joke. [laughter] >> thank you very much. thank you. you know, skip gauge has been wharton supporter of our international african-american museum from the early days of the idea and now under construction and open in july of next year and articulate the significance of the museum on the side where more enslaved africans were brought than any other place in our country. >> yeah, according to the last estimate, i looked at 48% of all our african ancestors came to the united states through the ports of charleston. charleston is our elise island. 388,000 africans brought directly from africa. that's a lot and another 42,000 came in the american slave trade. so what's that, 388, 42 and haiti got 77

if stacey abrams is coming in. this is her message. >> i come from a state where i was an american citizen and i'm going to fight for every person who has the right to be able to cast our vote. here in virginia, you can cast the vote for terry mcauliffe. >> laura: entitled. okay. she is questioning the of the election. terry mcauliffe is doing a weird dance in the video by the way. don't dance on camera, that will not work for you. what about stacey abrams? are you worried about that? >> i think this is what a 43 year career politician does. he knows he can't win so he's going to bring everybody you can think of it into virginia to campaign on his behalf. even some of the who lost. i do not understand why in the world terry mcauliffe thinks that somebody who lost a race and complained and said it was stolen from her is someone who should speak on his behalf. that's what he's doing. laura, i'm campaigning across the commonwealth of virginia as a virginian, i am representing virginia and i'm going to go work for virg

stacey abrams is with him. in stacey abrams high risk from covid complications due to underlying comorbidities. the two of them were photographed on bracing totally unmasked. if both of course have demanded mask mandates for their subjects, some patriotic, but without saying not for themselves. it is it to continue? chicago mayor lori lightfoot violated her own policy here yesterday. here's a picture of her mask lists in a mask crowd. if she uploaded the picture of herself to social media. if it was not an accident, she knew what she was doing. here she was in august telling her to wear masks indoors. here's what she sang to the subjects. >> we are encouraging people to wear masks inside. it's consistent with the cdc guidelines we believe is the right guidance. it is critically important. >> tucker: critically important for you, but not for me. this is the fundamental divide in the country. this is what happens while the rest of us not along as if we were meant to take the orders literally. we have a division.

a week ago he came down to georgia and spit in the face of every republican endorsing stacey abrams over brian kemp, the wrong move to make. >> broke clock can be right twice a day but you also got to deal with voting restrictions and other things that seem base to the black and brown communities in georgia and these are things that the republicans need to deal with forthright. the other is the house select committee on january 6 issued subpoenas this week. going after white house officials and steve bannon. how long before we see that same current or same or current members of congress subpoenaed, those that spoke to trump that day or leading up to the fight they spoke to him and if they are found to have facilitated or lied what does that leave a stain on the republican party that they cannot get out and that will require real reform in the party? >> the unfortunate events of january 6 were embarrassing as an american. forget the partisanship of it. there's an inability to take responsibility for the events that led up to it and then the nonacknowledgement of the events. i saw the subp

. >> tucker: i got to say, and this is controversial, but i think i would rather watch stacey abrams on tv, who i think is loathsome, but at least she is a recognizable human being. she has written softcore pornography, she hasn a heart. kamala harris, it is like i'm watching ai in action. it is the future! >> i think they would disagree with you because stacey abrams, yeah, she is absolutely horrific in every possible way but she does have actual thoughts. you can tell she is a human being pleasant thoughts of her own. remember this is all barack obama was third term, that is way of susan rice there, every loser barack obama put tinto power there. they don't want a thinking human being. they want kamala harris. they understand kamala harris is somebody who is -- worked very hard to gain her career in politics, she will not do anything to lose it, she will do what she was told when she is told, that is why when she takes over after they carport joe out of the back eating werthers originals, it will be so much worse. >> tucker: such a smart point, and we to remind ourselves of that ev

he knows that the democrat numbers -- >> sean: stacey abrams, obama. >> yeah, i mean, mcauliffe should have made it a local race about local issues and his performance, and instead he nationalized it. so i did think he made a major mistake in the last two weeks. >> sean: i think that is a great observation.so robert, your take when you see these numbers? i see it a little closer, my internal antenna is up. i see this still as a close race with a lean toward youngkin, for sure, and momentum moving his way. >> absolutely. a couple weeks ago, when we put out our poll, we had a lead for youngkin, and since that happened, all these major polls have come in, whether it was a quinnipiac or monmouth or emerson, they all had it within a point and a half. for the fox news is a little bit of an outlier, but i think it is about the direction, there is no question i think now that there is a lead. now, whether it is as high as the fox news poll, i'm not sure but we are back in the field now looking at it and we feel like it is probably going to be a two or three-point ahead for youngkin, but you ar

there were questions that stacey abrams and other democrats had about rules and counts. there often are questions. our election system is imperfect. we have made it more so with what's happening around the states right now. there's nothing wrong with pushing back and looking for proof. that's my job. and if there were proof to be found, we would blast it because that is the best currency of this democracy. questioning is different than finding no proof and then lying and refusing to certify. that's what trump and co did. there are not good people on both sides of this argument. and i will be dammed if i sit by and don't say this as plainly as possible because this will be remembered. and there are not good people on both sides. this is not a good faith dispute. it is bad faith. they know the election was not rigged. they know it was legitimate. anyone telling you with full knowledge that they have no proof and yet the election wasn't legit is part of an effort that may lead us to an all-time low. sadly, i think bill maher has it right. >> i was a young man of 59 when i s

. >> stacey abrams let her voice as did former president barack obama in richmond on saturday. >> we are at a turning point right now both here in america and around the world because there is a mood out there, we see it. >> you bet it's a turning point because virginians are so tired of what tea mcauliffe andnd the left liberal progressives have done to virginia. [chants shame on you] >> youngkin gained ground on mcauliffe as he pushed for parent empowerment in schools. mandate vaccines for students, educators and healthcare workers. >> glenn youngkin and donald trump share a dangerous, divisive agenda this would take our commonwealth backwards. on education, virginia beach african-american political action council. youngkin's campaign promised to increase funding for historically black colleges and universities, virginia's only black governor, douglas wilder says could give the republican an edge. he told "the washington examiner," quote: when glenn youngkin says that it's a high priority, there are people who won't forget it tomorrow president biden will campaign for mcauliffe in

take for example stacey abrams. remember? >> i'm here to tell you that just because you win doesn't mean you won. i came from a state where i was not entitled to become a governor. >> brian: yeah, remember that? this isn't anything new for the democratic party it's right seemingly out of hillary clinton's playbook 2016. >> i believe he knows he is an illegitimate president. he knows. he knows that there were a bunch of different reasons why the election turned out the way it did. >> brian: really. let's expand on that. they love to tell that you democracy is dying and republicans won't accept losing. in reality they are the ones who are killing it. we are learning this from john durham's investigation who last month indicted clinton campaign pushing a phoney investigation into trump's ties to kremlin linked bank what's key about that? sussmann worked for the clinton campaign he didn't tell the fbi where he was coming from. now new reporting from real clear politics shows that the clinton campaign also tried to pressure presid

you know, about four years ago, we had, you know, stacey abrams in georgia. we had gubernatorial candidate in florida. when you think about it, they really broke -- they started to breakthrough on the ceiling. stacy, we are really standing on stacy's shoulders in terms of statewide. you remember you were the first reporter that actually had i think all of five of the black candidates running for the united states senate on your show last cycle and what we're going to see is a continuing, you know, black candidates bring a type of energy to democratic politics that you don't see or we haven't seen in a long time. they're able to galvanize the body politic and get people excited and so i think you're going to see more and more black candidates come up. right now we got six african-american lieutenant governors, you know, one of them, mandela barns is running for the united states senate and i think you'll continue to see the growth of african-americans running on the statewide basis and winning. >> and not to say anything of stacey abrams herself whose gubernat

stacey abrams ought to concede the 2018 election. >> that's bait is the problem, right? take the bait. as if that is some sort of bait to say acknowledge very clearly what we -- what we all know to be true which is that the election was legitimate and not stolen. there's no bait to take. he says it. he doesn't want to say it. just for the same reason that -- that mike doesn't want to have this conversation. but hillary clinton and terry mcauliffe and joe biden and russia because this conversation is why the american people do not trust our elections and our political process right now. >> that's right. this conversation is why. you're right. i agree with that. >> yes, you exclaiming it in the media when the people who are actually yelling it from the rooftops aren't hiding about it. we can name them. >> yeah. >> they are going out in public, and yelling stop believing the elections. distrust everything. those people are somehow just taking the bait. got it. >> well, we have to move on, friends. i will say this. it wasn't the media and it wasn't the left chanting hang mik

you sit in that seat formally held by stacey abrams. what is your reaction to that comparison? >> you know, it's not a surprise. i have legislated in the general assembly with the current secretary of state and have gone toe to toe with him with voting rights issues. and he's not been on the side of democracy. he had the opportunity to do the right thing and uphold the law last year, but the reality is he's never been a friend to voting rights. he currently support bill 202. it's a bill that not only strips him of his own power but also allows the state legislature to turn our election boards into a partisan arm. he's also a person who while he, you know, stood up to trump, he in the same breath voted for trump. and so what we're seeing is somebody who talks out of both sides of his mouth, and it's not unusual for us to see that here in georgia. >> i want to ask you about something election returning mark elias wrote. he has a new piece out about the state's plan to subvert elections. republicans know the state certification of election results, a certificate of election signed

and, you know, we had stacey abrams here this weekend, dr. biden. folks are fired up here. come on down, kate. >> are they fired up? i want to double-check. thanks for coming on. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> two weeks out. people are voting as we speak. thank you so much. >>> a programming note -- on thursday, president joe biden joins anderson cooper for a live cnn town hall at 8:00 p.m. eastern right here on cnn. >>> up next for us, another missle test by north korea has neighboring countries on edge as china denies conducting a test of their own. you have the best pizza in town and the worst wait times. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates matching your job description. visit indeed.com/hire opportunities... are all about timing. so now that medicare annual enrollment is here, it's time for a plan that gives you more for your medicare dollar: an aarp medicare advantage plan from unitedhealthcare. call unitedhealthcare today to get $0 copays for primary care doctor visits, $0 copays on preventive d

. >>> terry mcauliffe held an event with stacey abrams sunday. she's a heavy hitter using issues to inspire voters. where does that show where mcauliffe is? >> it indicates it is critical and this is neck in neck. you don't have stacey abrams come if you are ahead in the polls by 10 or 15 points. it shows the democrats are trying to put on the map not just in the senate, in congress but also in gubernatorial mansions and slow thing rights. it is important who's the chief executive and that matters for redistricting and that that matters, the more we can kind of read into that that it means that you need them and you need their help and that's what the polls indicate here. >> jessica levenson, always great to chat with you. appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> police in chicago have been told they can't take time off right now as a standoff over the city's vaccine policy threatens to cut their numbers in half. officers are now required to disclose their vaccine status or risk being placed on unpaid leave. the police up onis fighting the vaccine mandat

voting rights activists and former gubernatorial candidate stacey abrams will hit the campaign trail for mcauliffe with multiple stops across the state. mcauliffe pulls out the big guns with former president obama stepping up. youngkin didn't even attend the rally that he held. this has major implications for the parties. watch as they step up their campaigns. >> folks, how are we doing today? >> reporter: an inside look at the first major election in the joe biden era, the hotly contested race for virginia governor, with republicans looking to take it from the democrats, favored terry mcauliffe. >> trump wants to claim a big victory here and use it as a launch pad. >> reporter: so if you do not win this race, is that a reflection on the democratic party? >> if we don't win the race -- we're going to win the race -- >> terry mccall mcauliffe is a long-time friend of the clintons. just last year joe biden beat president trump by 10. which asks the question, does that hold? the gop now relying on its own enthusiasm. >> our liberal leadership believes the government knows what's best fo

you held that seat by stacey abrams. what is your reaction to that comparison? >> it's not a surprise. i have legislated as a member of the georgia general assembly with the current secretary of state, and have gone toe to toe with him on voting rights issues and he has not been on the side of democracy. he had the opportunity today the right thing and uphold the law last year but the reality is he's never been a friend to voting rights. he supports senate bill 202, a bill that strips him of his own power but also allows the state legislature to turn our local election boards into -- i'm not surprised. he's also a person, who while he stood up to trump, he in the same breath voted for trump. and so what we're seeing is somebody who talks out of both sides of his mouth and it's not unusual for us to see that here in georgia. >> i want to ask you about something election attorney mark elias wrote, a new piece that talks about the importance of state certification and the plan to subvert elections. republicans know the single point of greatest vulnerability for the

brian: what about stacey abrams? stacey abrams also politicking in church. you can't be telling people who to vote for in church in between reading or the gospel. please stand and vote. steve: according to the irs, brian, you are absolutely right. as i mentioned a moment ago we were talking to the nominee for lieutenant governor in virginia winsome sears, and she was infuriated what's going on in the churches with the playing of those ads and so much more. listen to this. >> in 2015, the state board of education brought in crt and that means it came in under his watch. he signed off on it and now he's saying that it's a conspiracy theory cooked up by glenn youngkin. it's nonsense. they are gas lighting us. this is not a white/black thing. our children aren't learning. i have knocked on doors in public housing. also, do you know what those mothers and fathers tell me? they want their children to have a choice on where to go to school. because what's happening now is not working. our children need a hope and a future. they need critical reading theory. critica

abrams would be more than brian kemp. he's more focused on rehabilitating his own image. >> and trump helped make this a top issue for republican voters but the rest of the republican party who went along with this, they have allowed it to have staying power and to have staying power into the mid terms and potentially the next presidential election and they will run up right up against what they did themselves to make this happen. >> and it's also setting up an argument if republicans don't do well in the next election. >> well, we told you it would be very fraudulent. very dangerous way, the same way we saw a run up to the 2020 election. donald trump who is running for election said it's going to be ripped and stacked against me and they are trying to keith me out of winning and then when he lost he was able to point back to it and say to republican voters andries base do you see, i told you it's going to be rigged and this smacks of setting up the same dynamic for 202 and 2024 which is very alarming. >> cynical and dang

stacey abrams shows up. holds rallies in the city of norfolk. 124,000 plus voters in the city and how many turned out early to vote that day with stacey abrams in town? 396. that says to me they got a problem with enthusiasm in their base and why they are going to northern virginia and desperately hoping that kamala harris will drive up the turnout now that all 14 locations are open in fairfax county. i think they have a big problem. i'm not certain bringing in president obama and vice president harris and as she calls herself the real governor of georgia stacey abrams is going to solve that problem. >> trace: we keep bouncing back and forth. we're waiting attorney general merrick garland to arrive at the hearing on capitol hill before the house judiciary committee. what is your takeaway? we talked about some of the big issues and critical race theory and d.o.j. intimidating parents in virginia. what do you expect to hear? we've watched these hearings for years, karl. there is a lot of bobbing and weaving an

stacey abrams to norfolk when you were allowed to vote early on sunday. the souls to the polls effort led by stacey abrams. rock star at the top of the democratic ticket. in the 4 early vote locations, 396 people showed up that day. the democrat enthusiasm here is really, really low. >> bill: the retirements on the house democratic side are stacking up. we have 7 on the list here. of significance, mike doyle of pennsylvania. david price in north carolina. john announced if kentucky. all of those seats you could argue are toss up seats. how do you see this playing? >> i think most seats tend democrat but these are senior democrats that made a decision. doyle weigh are not going to hold the majority and i don't want to come back in the minority. yarmouth said we will lose control. better for me to get out. there are retirements. but we also have memberings running for higher office. if you look at all 13 of them, there are 3 whose seats are likely to flip republican. kind in wisconsin and jerry in western illinois and kirkpatrick in arizona. they are republ

we decided we would pick up and go to georgia and help stacey abrams, to help win the runoff basis for ossoff and worn off -- and warnock. number two, the more important point, is that what laws get past -- get passed by elected leaders, that is part of democracy. that is the detail of democracy. whether or not there will be equity out there, whether or not there will be representation, whether or not people will be able to make a decent living if they work hard gets affected by laws. that is why we decided it is our constitutional duty and our duty for our membership to push harder. we are looking at broader voting rights as well as laws that affect their day-to-day lives. host: we have to point out that some liberals and progressives are not on board with this bill because they said it does not go far enough. i will read some of their criticism. "the measure has critics who think it does not go far enough to protect voting rights and fair election. they note that the bill liens out provisions that would mail ballots to voters and establish financing for elections and allow voter roll

so why is stacey abrams talking politics in a church? evidently, vice president harris cut a tape and went to 300 black virginia churches. i didn't think that you could be tax exempt and be a political and talk politics in church. will: legally, i think it would be a very hard thing to parse. like where are you walking the line between politics and issues. brian: she is not trying to walk the line telling people who to vote forte church. what is kamala harris cutting a tape for. the vice president telling people where to vote? will: speaking of this race and how it's going to be a bellwether for 2022. the glenn youngkin the virginia republican nominee will be on the faulkner focus today at 11:00 a.m. eastern. ainsley: i'm surprised it's so close, too. mcauliffe has the name recognition. so for the republican and has been in politics since we all got in this business. so, to see a republican do so well in a tight race, this is definitely bellwether for the midterms. brian: and there she is. ainsley: that was at a rally after they went to

remember he had karen bass, at one time they were looking at stacey abrams in a look at the list of people campaigning running for governor in virginia to get his old job back. it doesn't include president joe biden or vice president harris. virginia is just down the road. kennedy: i think they think it's not going to go well and therefore they are not going to tie their political capitol i want to ask you about this book to rescue public, i love this man, i visit and smoke a cigar figure. i love your writing, it's very personal and obviously you are a student of history and politics every single day, who sticks in your mind who might be the most appropriate comparison? >> that's a great question and i don't think we've seen a modern comparison yet but we desperately need one, somebody humble, all about but who is a leader. he was a quiet leader who got things done in the forgotten history how he holds the union together and that is overlooked. kennedy: we think about the civil war and bloodiest battles and the ones he won and was shocked and and try to make small talk and was like over wi