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i have no idea what that even means, ben collins, kendall, let me start with you. can you tell me what tucker carlson could have meant when he said covid feminizes people? >> absolutely not. i have no idea but suggests that covid weakens people and somehow weakens them. it's devastating that we still associate feminism and weakness with another, and also, being feminized should not be looked at as a negative thing. this is a truly bizarre stance. i have no idea how to explain this to you or where it's coming from. it makes no sense to me. >> i can tell from the way he used the word feminize he was being derogatory in his criticism so to me just saying he's clueless and mysogonistic but no surprise to anyone who watches tucker carlson, but in response to senator ron johnson claiming mouth wash kills covid. what do you think about this? >> this has been around the anti-vax community for a year plus. i would call constituent services by the way, a lot of the people believe this stuff and he is playing to a base. this is the danger of this stuff. you get congress peopl

ben collins, thanks. >>> nearly 1.5 billion households adopted a pet that's according to the aspca. he creates his own version of late night talk. >>> my name is marco i am 3 years old. >> reporter: marco the pitbull and his friend knuckles is living and needs dire help >> reporter: evan bisnauth is a full-time sixth grader. >> i draw my mouth moving so it looks like i'm talking. >> he's making videos of the dogs in the local shelter, some with days left before they're u-turn thennized. >> i draw a picture of the dog so it introduces the dog what could make this dog unique? >> his love for purpose started two years ago. >> you can up it. >> but when covid stopped the shelter's reading program, evan found another way to help. >> i was looking at my dog i was like, what if you could talk so i made a talk show out of interviewing dogs. >> so how's it going >> i'm having a hard time. >> he's here to tell us all about himself. >> i'm a sweet, goofy guy. >> it's amazing what evan is doc. i do know he's the reason we found knuckles >> evan's latest video, a senior dog named lincoln. >> the

nbc's ben collins reports on this. he writes, quote, at the height of the harassment, ruby freeman said strangers 2019 attempted to push into her home and make a citizen's arrest. freeman was eventually forced to shutter her business and flee her home for two months at the recommendation of the fbi, the suit says. joining us now is nbc news senior reporter ben collins and sam stein is back. ben, this is the nightmare scenario that a normal person targeted by donald trump's lies has her life and her daughter's life upended. take us through your reporting. >> yeah, you know, ruby freeman was a private figure when this happened. she was captured on security camera in atlanta in a voting center and what was her crime here? she took ballots from underneath a desk, placed them on a desk and started counting them again as per the instructions from inside of the room. that's what was going on there. but to them, to the trump administration that was trying to find anything at that moment to say that there was fraud in this elec

joining me now ben collins, joan winebanks, cohost of the #sistersinlaw podcast. ben, this constant treatment of lies from the right has upended the lives of election workers. it is not just these two women. tell me how so. >> it upends the lives of anybody that wants to volunteer or maybe work as a temp worker in this space. that's what ruby freeman was. she joined on because a bunch of people got covid and her daughter said we need election people. please stop by. she moved a box of ballots from under a table and put them on top of a table. trump campaign workers said this was a suitcase of ballots ruby brought with her. complete lies. but they were pushed on the internet. for months, they wouldn't let it go. on january 6th, ruby's house had people around it with bullhorns. that just continued for months. her life fundamentally changed because she tried to help out her daughter who was trying to do the right thing and help out during an election. >> it is not just talking about them. signs posted alongside roadways. one of our producers in georgia has seen them.

my colleague, ben collins, who you know very well, and i we talk about her all the time because her story is the most egregious example of something we have seen all over the country. there's a joke on the internet that you never want to be the main character. and someone plucked this 62-year-old grandmother who made bedazzled handbags and seems like a god-fearing, you know, lovely woman and just made her the main character of the vilest people for a full month and then beyond. her story went to the president of the united states and his lawyers to gateway pundit, which is one of the trash cans of the internet. and he -- the hoff and far right website just like every day there was a new story about how she was a crook and she was stealing. and so when you have that narrative out there through those very powerful pipelines, what it does is emboldens those people who consider themselves digital soldiers who think when they call this 62-year-old grandmother and say we're going to kill you or go down to her house and try to make a citizen's arrest, they think they're doing the bidding of the

. >> joining me now nbc news senior reporter ben collins, political national correspondent betsey woodruff swan. betsey and jill are both msnbc contributors. ben, as your reporting bears out, this constant stream of lies from the right has up ended the lives of election workers. it is not just these two women. tell me how so. >> yeah, it upends the lives of anybody who wants to volunteer or, you know, maybe work as a temp worker in this space. and that's what ruby freeman was. ruby freeman just joined on because a bunch of people just got covid, and her daughter who's an election worker said we need more people, please stop by. and what did she do to deserve all this harassment, deserve that 911 call, she moved a box of ballots from under a table and put them on top of a table. complete lies, but they were pushed on the internet by anonymous people, picked up by the gateway pundit and then for months they wouldn't let it go. on january 6th when people were storming the capitol ruby's house had people around it with bull horns, outside in vehicles, people banging on the door again. and, you

about two and a half months ago nbc news reported on what reporter ben collins called vigilante treatments being promoted in antivaccine facebook groups where the antivaccine people were going so far as to tell people they should pull their family members out of hospitals. they should pull tricks on hospitals to even pull their it gravely ill family members out of icu wards to instead bring il them home and treat them with ivermectin and other great ideas you can learn about from sports podcasters and on facebook. quote, some people in groups that formed recently to promotem the false cure of ivermectin, an anti-parasite treatment, have claimed extracting covid patients from hospitals is as pivotal so they can self-medicate at home with ivermectin, but as patients begin to realize ivermectin by itself is not effective, the groups have begun recommending series of increasingly hazardous at-home treatment such as gargling with iodine and inhaling hydrogen peroxide. they are calling it part of a, quote, protocol. the asthma and allergy foundation of america recently had to put out a warning a

collins, who many of our viewers will know, because he has become our go-to expert on disinformation. the way i understood ben's analysis of this was in some ways like, this is one of many. this is happening all across the country, people who are coming in through one entry point and coming out in a very different -- >> yeah, and ben has such a good understanding, because he has been studying this for years. he can. it to you and tell you the trends and currents that are taking place online, which is why he is such a value to our understanding of not just this story, but any story to deal with qanon. and he's able to point and say, you know, at the same time her family was saying that in the summer of 2020 she was beginning to go down this rabbit hole, ben was able to kind of overlap the timeline of what the conversations online in the qanon world were saying, and he could tell you that there was a spike of people in the state of georgia who were getting sucked into the wayfare conspiracy theories, who were beginning to believe in this idea of what was happening in georgia and how im

. >> so that -- at the end there, that's our colleague, ben collins, who tracks qanon, so what he does is shows you how it jumps from the fringes to a president who is playing footsie with qanon. he's saying to them, listen, i know that you guys may be into some really crazy things, but if you're willing to come and try to overthrow our election, to keep me in power, then i'm not going to say anything bad about you and then he does what a lot of qanon supporters do, which is, who's against pedophilia? how could you not want to say i want to fight against pedophilia? and he was able to convince this large group of people in this country that he is fighting on their behalf, and that's why they bought into the whole election fraud and having to keep him in power and then ultimately going to january 6th to try to overturn the certification process. >> i want to bring frank figliuzzi into our conversation. i mean, we talk about how do we get out of this position we're in? but it seems like we're still in the posture of understanding the threat and understanding how and where they've been ra

. >> that sound you heard was from our colleague, ben collins, who tracks qanons for us. the people on the fringe who believes qanon, they believer that donald trump was going to save this country. donald trump when he had the opportunity to denounce and reject this, what will he do? he'll stand there in front of the world and play footsies with them. they fight pedophiles, that's a great thing. that's the hook in which his followers would say he's sending a signal. this is something we need to follow and they march on january 6th to the capitol because they believe he was doing the right thing and he told them to do so. >> mara gay has the question for you. >> ayman , great reporting. is there any opportunity for deradicalization here? or, people are more radical to this? >> people who have struggled with addiction or sobriety. it's an easy way to hit the refresh and restart button. vulnerability is a corner stone of that belief system. it's going to take a concerted effort and i have said it before on the show. if this types of extremist ideology whether it's militants