bob dole loved this capitol. it's where he served the nation shaped by the figures that surround us. washington and jefferson who set us on our path. abraham lincoln, another man who in the heartland of the country from which he came. bob's hero, dwight david eisenhower. martin luther king jr., who bob helped pass legislation honoring the great civil rights leader with a federal holiday. bob stood up and got that done. gerald ford, who served here and with whom bob sought the vice president of the united states. bob belongs here. he, too, was a giant of our history. that's not hyperbole. it's real. of wit and grace, of principle and persistence, of courage and conviction. i had the great honor of serving with bob, as many you around this casket have, i served with him for 25 years. he did have great wit. they once asked him, why in god's name did he vote to continue to fund amtrak? he said, because if he didn't biden would stay overnight and cause more trouble. [laughter] i commuted every day. true story. he was

bob dole. he died on sunday at the age of 98. up next, some of the eulogies from the memorial service, including remarks by president biden. this is an hour. president biden: reverend clergy, distinguished guests, among the many president biden: reverend clergy, distinguished guests, among the many memories from 50 years of friendship this one especially captures what bob dole was as a man and in my view as a patriot. we were on our way to the 50th anniversary of d-day in normandy. in normandy. we started in italy. much has been written about his time in italy. but to be there with him felt significantly different. he was on a mission in the mountains, nazi gunfire and morr fire was thick, men were dying, facing a hail of bullets, second lieutenant robert joseph dole hurled a grenade into an empty gun northwest. he was trying to help a fallen comrade, his platoon radioman, when everything changed. and i mean everything changed. his spine was damaged because fire tore across the hills, shatterin

bob dole, every time. to the elevator operator, the person who drives the train, to the staff up and down the halls, bob dole was their favorite. i am delighted you are here, senator. there are many people who appreciate and long for the days in which bob dole and nancy were there senators. those were days of glory for kansas because we were represented so well. there's lots of dole alumni in this room, people whose lives were affected by the fact that they work for bob dole, they worked for kansans, they worked for americans, and they have done so many good things in their lives, and they come to pay respect to their mentor, the person who gave them a chance, who brought them from kansas to the nation's capital and changed their lives. chaplain black, i certainly appreciated what you said yesterday in the national cathedral. but what you said today at st. mary's, and russell, kansas is meaningful. this is a place in which you can preach the gospel, the gospel of salvation and people are receptive. elizabe

bob dole, bob dole did that. he never forgot where he came from and i never forgot what he said to our colleagues about the effort for the king holiday. i will quote. he said no first class democracy can treat people like second-class citizens. no first class democracy can treat people like second-class citizens. bob didn't hate government. he knew the people most in need. he wanted government to work, to work for folks like him, who came up the hard way. just give everybody a chance, joe, just a chance. during the depression, bob's parents moved into the basement of their three-room -- not three bedroom, their three-room home in russell, kansas, so they could rent out the upstairs. bob understood hardship. he had known hardship. he never forgot it. he never forgot the people as well who sent him to washington people from russell and from kansas. bob was a man who always did his duty, who lived bay code of honor. almost seems strange to say that today but he lived by a code of honor and he meant it. just as his c

somebody like bob caro or bob woodward and for better for worse me. it's a red flag to a bowl when they say you will never get the story. for me when i was covering clarence thomas and anita hill's confirmation battles and everyone said he is a he said she said story. you'll never get to the bottom. there's no way and i love the quote where he says there may not be one simple single truth but there are facts. either something happened origin happened. you can go for that and you can try to grab those and put them together to get the version of the truth but another robert caro that i love. it takes time, the truth takes time. i am so glad to hear him say that because i am so slow. so comforting to think that they take time and maybe it's towards a larger purpose when it's taking so long. >> we live in the speeding up world when everybody wants immediate gratification and taking time is really important. finding this is really important something else that is interesting what you do with them. i still want to talk about interviewing and how do you get

at 8 a.m., bob does ralph -- bob goals -- bob dole's wife attends a wreath-laying ceremony. there will be a discussion about a pharmaceutical drug price. at 11 a.m., a missile defense policy and international arms control from the endowment for international peace. you can find

bob dole. dean and the clergy officiating today's service, president clinton, vice president harris, vice president pence, and cheney, and quail, speaker pelosi, leader schumer, leader mcconnell, members of congress of both parties past and present, members of the cabinet, general millie, leaders of our military, distinguished guests, most of all, the dole family, elizabeth, it's been said that memory is the power to gather roses in winter. bob left you with 45 years' worth of roses. a love built and shared that's going to guide you through the difficult days ahead. jill and i will always be there for you, as many others in this church will be. as you and bob were always there for us in ways nobody knows. and, robin, you carry your father's pride, grace, and character. he'll always be with you. as the old saying goes, you are your father's daughter. you are your father's daughter. bob dole's story is a very american one. born and raised in the three room house through the dust bowl of the great

the time came for bob's remarks bob except to the podium, looks around and he begins i robert j dole, the crowd asserted cracking up, do solemnly swear then a theatrical pause. oh sorry, wrong speech. once the audience died down there was a self-deprecating punchline. i thought i would be here this historic week receiving something from the president but i thought it would be the front door key. the thing is madam president there was no contradiction in any of it no paradox, bob's life and career were very, very consistent. the virtues and the values that led bob dole to reese's right hand and enlist in the army and gravely until he could not reset hand any longer. with the same values that compel him to reese's left-hand for a different oath in the kansas state capital a few years later. then across the rotunda in the u.s. white house and in the senate the same virtues and values that made bob's speeches in the 1960s about a citizen's duty he made his great empathy towards those who needed help. with bob dole what you saw is what you got. from his comrades in t the tenth division to

allow me one example of bob dole's comedic talent. in january of 1997 just after president clinton had defeated bob and won his reelection, the president graciously bestowed on bob the presidential medal of freedom. there they were in mid january, just three days before the day bob had spent months hoping he'd be inaugurated, but president clinton would be reinaugurated instead. it was a gracious gesture and a warm event all around. the time comes for bob's remarks. walks up to the podium, looks around, and he begins, i, robert j. dole, the crowd is cracking up, do solemnly swear and then a theatrical pause. oh, sorry, wrong speech. once the laughs began to die down there became the self-deprecating punchline, i thought i'd be here this historic week receiving something from the president, i thought it would be the front door key. the thing is, madam president, there was no contradiction in all of it, no paradox, bob's life and career were very, very consistent. the virtues and the values that led bob dole to raise his right hand, enl

this service for bob dole. some unforgettable memorial eulogies, president biden saying that senator dole had courage, grit, goodness and grace through his years of service in the military. in congress, to his friends and his family, adding that in their 25 years of service together in the senate, they disagreed but were never disagreeable to each other. at one point ad libbing, god, i loved the guy. senator dole's casket will be driven to the memorial he helped create, open to the public, to hear tributes to come from joint chief chairmans mark milley who escorted elizabeth dole, tom hanks, of course, the actor from "saving private ryan" and a supporter of the world war ii memorial and producer of band of brothers. and our own savannah guthrie, a close friend of the dole family who had been with him for his 98th birthday just this summer. dole's casket will be flown from andrew's joint force base with his family to kansas. his hometown of russell, kansas for services there. joining us now, nbc news presidentia

and i thought, you know, maybe you could speak a little bit to bob's work and your response to bob's work and especially in a context of defining what a national book is and his contribution to it. >> sure. you know, so, just an idea of what, thank you, the national book is, you know, it's not really like a domestic prize in the same way that you're celebrating the best american literature, the best literature in america, a small pivot, but we were reader facing and i think when you think about books that capture the imagination, and the readers that tell us what we need to know, that go beyond the super official, that pushed literature forward. so for me there's always the book and it's like the ones that you were honored, whether they were finalists or winners, which i always sort of understood to be the same and everyone in american won't like it. but if you pick 40 books or 50 books, there's always going to be one i think this inside of the books for a young person or for an adult or somebody who loves nonfiction or poetry, something that i'm sure i could hit a nerve in that read

nch8 congressman bob dole became senator bob dole. and his life in this body and his life in the mowps culminate -- house of representatives culminated in amazing achievements on the legislative battlefield. but when people ask me what do you remember or what made bob dole bob dole, my view is his service to america in world war ii. i think it made him more aware of people who were struggling, people who had disabilities. i think he saw the challenges that people from across the country faced as a result of their service. he saw the challenges that people in foreign countries experienced in world war ii. and when we look at his legislative achievements, we often think -- at least i think of three -- americans with disabilities act, food aid, what i call the dole-mcgovern bill but what many people call the mcgovern-dole bill that helps feed hungry people, particularly children around the world. and his service to other veterans. his work on this floor resulted in many americans and in fact many citizens of the world having a better sho

bob dole, bob dole did that. he never forgot where he came from, and i've never forgot what he said to our colleagues about the effort from the king holiday. and i'll quote. he said no first class democracy can treat people like second class citizens. no first class democracy can treat people like second class citizens. bob didn't hate government. he knew the people that needed it most were the people most in need. he wanted government to work, to work for folks like him who came up the hard way, just give everybody a chance, joe. just a chance. during the depression bob's parents moved into the basement of their three-room, not three bedroom, but three-room home in russell, kansas so they could rent out the upstairs. bob understood hardship. he had known hardship. and he never forgot it. he never forgot the people as well who sent him to washington. people from russell and from kansas. bob was a man who always did his duty, who lived by a code of honor. almost seems strange to say that today, but he lived by a c

so why, why did bob dole do it? why did bob dole raise his right hand in 1942 and swear an oath of allegiance to the constitution of the united states of america? and after being wounded, when he couldn't raise his right hand any longer, he raised his left hand to swear his oath. why? why, knowing the danger he could be wounded or killed? why knowing he will be criticized in the public arena as a politician? why? why did he raise his hand on 14 april 1945 and said i'll lead the attack on hill 913? why did bob dole have such a clear calling to serve? why did he refuse to be stopped by the enemy? he did it for an idea, an idea that is america. he swore an oath to a document, the constitution, not to a king or queen or dictator or tyrant. he swore an oath to an idea, an idea that says that no matter who you are, whether you're male or female, whether you're black, white, asian or indian, or no matter what the color of your skin, doesn't matter where you came from or whether you're catholic, protestant, jew, doesn't mat

. >> say bob dole. >> bob dole. >> bob dole. >> who? bob dole? who is it, elizabeth? >> bob dole. >> bob dole. it's the perfect baby name. it's just, i mean, it couldn't be easier. >> that is so much better than donut. did you at one point say to her bring bob dole to daddy? >> that is correct. that is tonight's most important line in the show. bring bob dole to daddy, which she did. >> wow. i don't care what else you do on the show you just have to keep playing that in a loop for an hour and it'll be your highest rated show in a very long time. i could watch that 4,000 more times. >> i think i have watched it about a thousand times since yesterday. it will be tweeted. >> fantastic. >> thank you, rachel. >> well done. >> thank you. >>> last week the democratic party was thrilled with the news that stacey abrams has decided to run for governor of georgia again. when she ran in 2018 stacey abrams lost to republican brian kemp by about 1.5% of the vote, but that was before stacey abrams led the massive voter registration drive in georgia that helped deliver democratic vi

i quote bob dole. "i cannot pretend that i have not been a loyal champion of my party, but i've always served my country best when i did it so first and foremost as an american, prioritize principles over party, humanity over personal legacy. we do that, we accomplish far more as a nation. by leading, we shared faith in each other. we become america at its best he went on to say a beacon of hope, a source of comfort and crisis, a shield against those who threaten freedom, our nation has certainly faced periods of division, but at the end of the day, we've always found ways to come together. we can find that unity again" and the message said, "end of message." my fellow americans, america has lost one of our greatest patriots. we may follow his wisdom, i hope, and its timeless truth. the truth of the matter is divided as we are, the only way forward for democracy is unity, consensus, the only way. may we follow his wisdom and his timeless truth and reach consensus, the basic fundamental principles we al

capitol, attribute to bob dole. senator dole served in the senate for 27 years including 11 years as republican leader before leaving in 1996. he passed away december 5, 2021. this is one hour and 20 minutes. kansas senator bob dole. president joe biden and mitch mcconnell are among the speakers. senator dole served in the senate for 27 years, including 11 years as republican leader before leaving in 1996 to run for president. he passed away december 5, 2021. this is an hour and 20 minutes. >> ten hut. >> march. march. march. >> present arms. >> ready, step. >> present arms. ready, step. ready, step. ready, step. ready, step. ready, step. ready, step. ready, step. ready, step, ready, step. ready, step. ready, step. ready, step. ready, step. ready, step. ready, step. ready, step. ready, step. ready, step. ready, step. ready, step. ready, step. ready, step. ready, step. ready, step. ready, step. ready, step. ready, step. ready, step. ready, step. ready, step. ready, step. ready, step. ready, step. ready, step. ready,

. >> say bob dole. >> bob dole. >> say it again. >> bob dole? >> who is it? >> bob dole. >> bob dole. it's the perfect baby name. it's just, i mean, it couldn't be easier. >> that is so much better than donut. >> did you hear her say, at one point, brig bob dole to daddy? >> yes. that is tonight's most important line. bring bob dole to daddy. which, she did. >> i don't care whatever you do on the show, but keep playing that for an hour, and it will be your high official rating for a very long time. i could watch that 4000 more times. >> i think i watched it about 1000 times yesterday. it will be tweeted. >> well done. >> thank you. well last week, the democratic party was thrilled with the news that stacey abrams has decided to run for governor of georgia, again. when she ran in 2018, stacey abrams lost to republican brian kemp, by about one and a half percent of the vote. but that was before stacey abrams led the massive voter registration drive in georgia that helped deliver democratic victories in two statewide united states senate campaigns in georgia thi

the imagination bob is writing about and then there's bob's imagination. you see that everywhere in his work. that's an important point. >> another anecdote from working is where bob is thinking about johnson in the senate and how johnson breaks into a run every day at a certain point when he's going into the senate office building and bob is imaginative enough, curious enough, and i think that's really what everything is about. curious enough to think why is he doing that? why is he breaking into a run? and this is the enviable part at 5:30 in the morning or whatever it is. sees the sun is at a certain angle and is illuminating the building. and suddenly that's when the sun hits in a certain way where johnson is coming from wherever he's living, sees that and breaks in a run and it's as if he's inspired by that beautiful building and what i think, bill, you're saying, the ability to imagine what other people are imagining without, and this, i think, speaks to jane's work and go back to lisa, but without making anything up. i mean, you can't make up things

when people ask me what do you remember what made bob dole bob dole? my view is his service to america in world war ii. i think it w made him more aware of people who were struggling, people who had disability. i think he saw the challenges people from across the country face as a result of their service. he saw the challenges people in foreign countries experience in world war ii and when we look at his legislative achievements, we often think or at least i think of three americans with disabilities act. food aid, the government bill manyhe call the cover both bill. if these hungry children around the world. and his service to other veterans. his work on this floor resulted in many americans and many citizens of the world having better shot at life. mon my speech on the senate flr i recognize circumstance of me, not a united states senator serving in what we call the kansas dole seat. the tremendous challenge that caused for me knowing those footsteps, my feet would never fit in those shoes. i sit and work from the dole desk, this drawer has his name

bob dole. bob dole did that. he never forgot where he came from and never forgot what he said to our colleagues about the effort for the king holiday. i'll quote. he said, "no first-class democracy can treat people like second-class citizens." no first-class democracy can treat people like second-class citizens. bob didn't hate government. knew people needed it most were the people most in need. he wanted government to work, to work for folks like him, who came up the hard way. just give everybody a chance, joe. just a chance. during the depression, bob's parents moved into the basement of their three-room, not three-bedroom, their three-room home in russell, kansas, so they could rent out the upstairs. bob understood hardship. he had known hardship. he never forgot it. he never forgot the people, as well, who sent him to washington, people from russell, from kansas. bob was a man who always did his duty, who lived by a cold of honor. almost seems strange to say that today, but he lived by a code of honor and he

i like bob dole. bob dole was fair. we need more bob dole's in the world. we need to get better gun laws for things that won't happen like that shooter was with these kids. that's all i wanted to say. host: timothy in pennsylvania. morning. caller: good morning. i just wanted to mention in 2015, my wife and i were visiting washington. we visited the world war ii memorial the day after thanksgiving. as you said earlier, bob dole was there. he had an aide with him. we got to spend about 10 minutes with him. he was very generous with his time. he was very easy to talk with. i mentioned to him, my father served in italy. my father served in headquarters company. when i told him that, we asked a lot about my dad. my dad passed away in 2008. he was very compassionate and very inquisitive in asking about my father in the family. we had a lot of grit and determination, as did most of the people of that greatest generation. we appreciated the time that they gave us. he had a wonderful life, accomplished a lot considering what happened to him as a very young man. hos

i quote bob dole. "i cannot pretend that i have not been a loyal champion of my party but have always served my country best when i did it so first and foremost as an american or prioritized principles over party, humanity over personal legacy. we do, that we accomplish far more as a nation. by leading with shared faith in each other, we become america at its best." he went on to say, "a beacon of hope, a source of comfort and crisis, a shield against those who threaten freedom, our nation has certainly faced periods of division. but at the end of the day, we've always found ways to come together. we can find that unity again." and the message said, "end of message." my fellow americans, america has lost one of our greatest patriots. we may follow his wisdom, i hope, and his time of truth. but the truth of the matter is, as divided as we are, the only way forward for democracy is unity, consensus. the only way. may we follow his wisdom and his timeless truth and reach consensus on the basic fundamental

bob: that was my joke? elizabeth: when you introduced me -- this is another story, but anyway, i found a car with an airbag and put it on the white house lawn. so president reagan in the cabinet could look at it. we had to sell it to people because they thought it would go off when you crossed the railroad tracks of consumers were not ready to buy the cars. and remember that lee iacocca gave me a fit because he was really upset about this and said safety won't sell. later after we got the airbags and the cars, he's on television with an ad saying how great airbags are. you get passionate about these things that you can do in public service. there are things that need to be better, but to me it is such a mission field. my mother lived to be almost 103 and her mother lived to be 100. when you look over your life, the question will not be how much money did i make but what did i stand for? did i make a positive difference? bob: to tie into that, in the field that i was in in politics, i never thought that it w

as a current legislator, i never got to serve with bob dole, you know, i'm sure the bob dole we would have things to disagree on. he wouldn't have called him a communist and i would not have called him a fascist and the language on capitol hill today, that was not there when bob dole was a senator and that has to do with the person that he is or was and i just hope that the place that i work can get back to that, we are going to disagree but we will do it constructively and civilly because we recognize that we are americans and even if we see the world differently, we are blessed to have americans and we should treat each other that day. mike: well said, congressman jim himes from the great state of connecticut. now joined from the other side of the aisle, let's bring tony gonzales, member of house appropriations committee. congressman, your thoughts today on the passing of senator dole, let's start there? >> yeah, no, senator dole, elizabeth and the dole family are patriots and they have given so much to this country and the way which he led is something that we need to reflect on to

in 1968, congressman bob dole became senator bob dole and his life into this body had a amazing achievements of the legislative battlefield. when people ask me what do you remember and what made bob dole bobw dole, my view is his servie to america in world war ii. i think it made him more aware of people who were struggling and people who have disabilities. i think he's all the challenges people around of the country thd as a result of their service. he saw the challenges people experienced in world war ii and when we look at his legislative achievements we often think of at least three americans with disabilities act. food aid, what many people call the mcgovern dole bill that helps feed people around the world. and his service to other veterans. his work on this floor resulted in many americans and in fact many citizens of the world having a better shot at life. in my speech on the senate floor i recognized the circumstances. the challenge that caused for me knowing that those footsteps might be they may never fit in those shoes. this drawer has his name sketched into it, and it's a remind

here is bob. "approach thy grave of those who -- drapes in the culture of him, and lies down to pleasant dreams. "my brother in jesus christ. rest in peace. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> for our brother, bob, let us pray to our lord jesus christ who said i am resurrection and i am life. lord, you consoled martha and mary in their distress. draw near to us who mourn for bob and dry the tears of those who weep. lou wept at the grave of lazarus, your friend. comfort us in our sorrow. you raised the dead to life. give to our brother eater and a life. give to our brother eternal life. bring our brother to the joys of heaven. our brother was washed in baptism and anointed with the holy spirit. give him fellowship with all your saints. comfort us in our sorrows at the death of our brother, that our faith via our consolation and eternal life our help. we pray to you for bob and for all those whom we love but see no longer

nch8 congressman bob dole became senator bob dole. and his life in this body and his life in the mowps culminate -- house of representatives culminated in amazing achievements on the legislative battlefield. but when people ask me what do you remember or what made bob dole bob dole, my view is his service to america in world war ii. i think it made him more aware of people who were struggling, people who had disabilities. i think he saw the challenges that people from across the country faced as a result of their service. he saw the challenges that people in foreign countries experienced in world war ii. and when we look at his legislative achievements, we often think -- at least i think of three -- americans with disabilities act, food aid, what i call the dole-mcgovern bill but what many people call the mcgovern-dole bill that helps feed hungry people, particularly children around the world. and his service to other veterans. his work on this floor resulted in many americans and in fact many citizens of the world having a better sho

bob dole, bob dole did that. he never forgot where he came from and i never forgot what he said to our colleagues about the effort for the king holiday. and i'll quote. he said no first class democracy can treat people like second class citizens. no first class democracy can treat people like second class citizens. bob didn't hate government. he knew the people that needed him most were the people most in need. he wanted government to work. to work for folks like him would came up the hard way. just give everybody a chance, joe. just a chance. during the depression, bob's parents moved into the basement of their three-room -- not three bedroom, their three-room home in russell, kansas, so they could rent out the upstairs. bob understood hardship. he had known hardship. and he never forgot it. he never forgot the people, as well, who sent him to washington. people from russell, from kansas. bob was a man who always did his duty, who lived by a code of honor. almost seems strange to say that today, but he lived by

jonathan: bob michele? bob: francis is right, terrific report. you married that with the ism services index that came out, and that showed respondents showing there is still a labor shortage, and business is as good as it's ever been. this is a very healthy economy. jonathan: i has them 69 handle. krishna, your reaction? krishna: both bob and francis are making the right point. the economy is in fantastic shape right now. the key word is right now. participation will be the critical thing, not just from an inflationary perspective but more importantly, from what the fed decides to do in terms of raising rates rather than just tapering. i think frances may be too early in terms of declaring victory with respect to the participation rate. with everything going on with the virus, looking at that one number and sing the issue has gone away, i think is a little premature. jonathan: frances donald, you can respond to that. frances: certainly not saying we are there, and i agree, what we are talking about is marked to market. a little bit of improvement

bob taught us that. howea do you think about it and the task is to follow the example to say that good enough isn't good enough. there is a need to constantly create the tools and understandings and capacities to manage those archives here, across the world, the british library. how do you respond to the work assembled that other researchers have put together and how do you create that pathway, so i would argue what's important about the archive for archivists is that every page of it gives them an example and inspiration to complete their work. >> the idea of turning every page is absolutely crucial. there's a great book if anybody is interested. one of the things she talks about is the sense that archives are so huge where do you begin, how is it that you are not daunted by them and find that which is the hidden things and from my point of view i hate interviewing i just sort of put it rightse out there. it's a very unpleasant for me but the person who deals with paper archives and in a sense a kind of

but it rubbed off on bob. i used to have furtive rendezvouses with bob in this very cathedral. so many memorial services, he was here. sometimes pushed in a wheelchair. but i would, at the end of the service, bolt around the side of the cathedral for our rendezvous at the fore. we really got to know one another well, particularly when we were -- i was able to work with him on the world war ii memorial. and learned so much from this great patriot. as i listened to the readings, i thought about him. what an appropriate reading for the old testament, isaiah 40:31. they that wait on the lord shall renew their strength. they shall mount up with wings as eagles. run and not be weary. walk and not faint. i used to wonder, did we get that right? it seems it should be run and not faint. walk and not be weary. but the pedestrian and prosaic movements of life can push you to the point of fainting far more than those emergency moments with the adrenaline rush. and then, what a beautiful passage for the new testament. love. agape. creative, redemptive, goodwill for humanity, describes the l

welcome to bob fest. bob caro and bob woodward. what an honor to get to spend some one-on-one time the you at new york historical society. we're going to open it up to questions that are being put on cards after about a 40-minute conversation. with bob woodward's book just number one in the charts doing so incredibly well and so much news going on, i would be remiss if i didn't ask him the burning question of the moment right out of the the gate and that's when did you first meet bob caro? >> i think about 25 years ago i was in new york and we invited him for dinner. we talked about history and how do you find it? how do you verify it? both my wife and i, elsa, learned a great deal. when you talk to caro, you're going to history school, as you know. >> when you look at his achievements, what's your reflection on lbj in american history? what was the positives of johnson's presidency and the perils? >> easier to describe the creation of the universe. >> yes. >> as caro is finding out. there's many highs and many lows. you have to so

how do you respond to the work that bob has assembled? researchers have put together of how you create that pathway. and that gives them an example and inspiration to complete their work. i'm sure i'm not responding exactly. >> that's fine the idea of turning every page is crucial it is a great book if anybody is interested in the archives generally as it is translated. one of the things that she talks about that is a sense that they are so huge and how is it you are not daunted by how you find which is the nugget? and from my point of view i hate interviewing. that is very unpleasant for me but the personn that deals with paper archives and in a sense the investigative journalism as well is the incomparable who takes come i guess use bob woodward subjects so one of the things that bob is good at thing and you are good at is a trust wind is to find it i'm sure you know you have and then the other is. >> and then i have to say it is a delight to be here with the new york historical association society has a place in my family's history and

so god bless bob dole. we'll miss him and he was a great american. eric: god bless bob dole. you talk about his how more. that kind of was counter to his critics' image of him as this tough, bluff type of guy. tell us about the personal bob dole that you knew and his humor. >> you know, i tell you, it wasn't a lot different than john mccain's. john, again, had the reputation for being very tough and he was and so was bob in that regard but on the other hand, they could always see the light side of things. usually a little dose of humor has an ability to get you through something that might be a lot tougher without it and both of them, both john and bob were -- and maybe it was their military background in world war ii that did it. i don't know. both of them were great joke tellers and -- but like i said, just in ordinary conversation, bits of dry humor was not lost on them at all. eric: he had friends on both sides of the aisle. so well liked. you could disagree with him politically but not personally. he was so well liked. don't we need that more in washington, that could be

and it's a metaphor that sometimes people use in bob bob's work, sculptural. there's a layer upping layering of strata. there's something in that, i think. but it seems to me to be a mechanical sense of the work that bob does like. thinking about bob and understanding, and hence, they are marketing terms. but it's a constant attacking and pushing as one gets to the truth, moved to a higher truth and meta truth, constantly reimagining. there is no belief in a truth involves were work with the capital t. but the more you accumulate, the closer you get to whatever it is that may stand for truth. truth is something, for william james, something that happens through an idea. and we move in that direction. it requires, i think, a rigorous commitment to revision and a massive amount of courage to a wastebasket full of beautifully crafted sentences, paragraphs and pages, to write that and then have the courage to throw it away -- >> [inaudible] >> exactly! to recognize that even the most hard one draft is not sufficient. it has to be rethought, re-done, we imagined. a

and i quote bob dole. i cannot pretend that i have not been a loyal champion of my party but have always served my country best when i did it so first and foremost as an american. prioritized principles over party, humanity over personal legacy. when we do that we accomplish far more as a nation. by leading we shared faith in each other, we become america at its best. he went on to say a beacon of hope, a source of comfort in crisis, a shield against those who threaten freedom, our nation has certainly faced periods of division, but at the end of the day we have always found ways to come together. we can find that unity again and the message said, end of message. my fellow americans, america has lost one of our greatest patriots. we may follow his wisdom, i hope, and the timeless truth that the truth of the matter is as divided as we are the only way forward for democracy is unity, consensus, the only way. may we follow his wisdom and his timeless truth and reach consensus, the basic fundamental principles

god bless the great bob dole." and from senator bernie sanders, "bob served his country with courage on the battlefield and dignity in the senate. we set our condolences to his family." mitt romney, saying, "when i think of the greatest generation, i think of bob dole, a man who dedicated his life to serving our country. rest in peace. we will be praying for his family and loved ones." other statements yesterday, from former president donald trump, "bob dole was an american war hero and a true patriot for our nation. he served kansas with honor. and the republican party was made stronger by his service. our prayers are with elizabeth and his family members." we will go through more reaction, more statements for you, throughout this first hour, but we want to also hear from you on our phone lines. and we have a special line for world war ii veterans and family members. that number is 202-748-8002. this is kurt in akron, ohio. good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call. um, my first election that i voted in,

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