great to be with you. >> trump recognized the power of alex jones' audience and alex jones' base and had mirrored a lot of alex jones' policies and rhetoric in achieving... in getting to that frontrunner status in the first place. >> i know now from top people that you actually are for real. >> alex was only too happy to play sycophant. >> ...is epic, it's george washington level, and you understand that office. >> and trump basked in the glow of his adulation. and so i think it was purely transactional, and it worked out great for both of them. >> i just want to finish by saying your reputation's amazing, i will not let you down, you will be very, very impressed, i hope. >> he said, "i have so much admiration for you, you have such an audience." i me, this is what trump cared about, "you have such-- you have such influence. we're going to be talking a lot. i'm going to be relying on you." >> i hope you can help uncripple america, thank you so much, sir. you will be attacked for coming on, we know you know that, thank you. >> thank you very much. >> alex jones, like president trump,

donald trump actually befriended alex jones after, after alex jones repeatedly told the despicable lie that the mass murder of kindergarten students and first graders along with teachers and staff at san diego elementary school did not happen. alex jones claimed it was all fake. all staged. parents of the victims of that mass murder successfully sued alex jones for that defamation. alex jones lawyer say they will appeal that verdict. john eastman who wrote a memo for donald trump telling the lie that vice president mike pence could block the congressional certification of joe biden's electoral college victory also claimed a fifth amendment protection from the january six committee subpoena. he has invoked his fifth amendment rights to refuse to answer 140 67 anne written questions. he -- john eastman's emails from their server, a federal judge is considering easements attempt to block that subpoena on the grounds of a client privilege. today, lisa monaco said the justice department is investigating attempts to replace biden electors with trump electors in states one by trump why -- joe

pretty reasonable, alex jones. so jones admits the investigators were polite and that the questions were reasonable. but he nonetheless answered -- refused to answer them because you don't we charged with perjury. he also shared much of what the committee asked him, we'll get to that shortly, it's interesting. but he also went out of his way to at this little tidbit about his friend, stewart rhodes. >> i saw it all as lawyer being. i didn't see the oath keepers as bad people. but i saw a lot of it as playing soldier in the backyard. their mission was something that i agreed with for most of its operations. but and if the indictments true that they thought they could form in and kickstart and detonator rebellion at the capitol that would lead to a larger war, that is not something that i knew about or something i support, or something i want. >> oh my goodness! your honor, i don't know, they were dressing up, we were had an internet show. i have new trump picks to sell. i don't what's going on. a sudden amount of th

alex jones denied any connections. i would give alex jones as little credit as humanly possible. i would not believe anything he said. >> give me 20 seconds on michael avenatti with this lawsuit. stormi daniels is seeing him. she says he defrauded her and he decided to get rid of the public defender and represent himself. >> yeah. it's always a very risky move to get rid of any lawyer and to represent yourself, especially when you are a key player in the case. this sets the stage, oddly enough, for michael avenatti to cross examine stormi daniels. it's high risk for him. it could backfire. the jury will be watching this. i wouldn't like the dynamic if i was on michael avenatti's end of this of having to cross examine his own former client who claims she was robbed by him. very risky move. i think he's shown he's nothing, if not highly unpredictable. >> dfair enough. thank you. >>> now to this. new york's attorney general is asking the state supreme court to stay its ruling. in other words, keep the mask mandate in effect until the appeal's process is done. >>> pfizer is starting

let's start with alex jones. we're hearing some strange claims coming from him regarding his talks with the committee. walk us through those and why house investigators are interested in him. >> and what's interesting about this is the committee subpoenaed him back in november. he then sued, but now he is saying that he did, in fact, end up talking to the committee on monday. so the committee's particularly interested in jones because he could have key knowledge about how the rally before the capitol attack was planned and how the funding operation worked. that's one of the key components the committee is looking into. so the committee previously said that alex jones, he helped organize the rally at the ellipse near the white house. and then even facilitated a donation from the air rest to the public supermarkets fortune julie jenkins. that donation amounted to 80% of the total funding that they received for the rally. so alex jones now saying that he did meet virtually with the committee and called the questions

the type of content that alex jones made? and this is what carlton gillis ended there. robin kaplan have called a tiered governance model. so social media companies also just kind of cherry bake who they want on the platform as well. they don't. yeah. okay, let me, let me put that to jeffrey because jeffrey catalina was just and mentioning youtube and we have seen this before because you too recently permanent, the band, a popular video channel, a conservative commentator also rumble a video content. producer rumble has been the target as well, criticized by some for being one of the main platforms for what they call conspiracy communities. same attack on sub sac for refusing to ban writer is deemed by some to be hateful. so is this a worrying trends? could this be seen as well? we ban anyone that's going off key. i don't think it's a worrying trend. i think it's the right step. i mean, we've been ahead, i'm the president of the united states, taken off of twitter for promoting unproven medicines. and going back to was mentio

but don't let facts get in the way off a good alex jones, took it, trump's. mayor let's bring in -- he's also a professor of pediatrics at albert and stein college of medicine. doctor redlener, thank you for joining us tonight. doctors aren't being told to give preference to black people over white people when it comes to covid vaccines or treatments, are they? that's racist nonsense, is it not? >> yes. that's totally -- this is something that's been part of the trump cult to massively politicize this entire pandemic. it's great disgraceful. the fact of the matter is, doctors are making decisions based on who's at most risk of dying. that's what we're supposed to do. so if a seven year old with covid and a healthy 40-year-old with covid came in and there's limited amounts of treatment, preference is gonna go first of course to the one who is that most at risk, which is the older person. and the case of non whites in america, as blacks, hispanics, people who are of color, those people have a higher rate of dying from the disease. so that's where the preference

let's start with the alex jones news. sounds like the committee didn't get much out of him. the fact that he showed up is probably the most news worthy part of this discussion. >> alex jones saying he testified remotely yesterday and said later on on his own radio show that questions were overall pretty reasonable. he said the committee was polite but dogged, but that he was advised by his lawyers beforehand to invoex the fifth amendment, and he did that more than 100 times. committee sources have told me in the past they considered the fifth amendment an extremely weighty issue and they will evaluate invocations of the fifth amendment on a case by case, question by question basis to decide if they're in compliance with the subpoena. if the committee asked what he ate for lunch and say he is invoking the fifth they may not take kindly for that. regardless they got him to show up and got him to at least take their questions. we'll see if they got anything useful out of him. >> ken, there's the news developing this afternoon and the oath keepers case with the judge overseeing

clearly the committee got something out of alex jones. further, it is very obvious that they continue to drill down on this key piece of evidence which is the flow of money into this rally. alex jones said over and over in his podcast that he denounced any plans for violence, he thought that going into the capitol was just stupid, he stead said over and over he had no advance knowledge there were plans for violence. he said that there had been some planning for him to lead a march over to the capitol, so there is this question about how this march manifested, and whether or not there it was sanctioned by the national park service in terms of getting a permit for the march and pretty obvious there was some kind of planning for a march, that the intention was to get all these people from the rally over to another event at the capitol grounds, which was hosted by ali alexander. alex jones talked about that in his radio show and then he also said that on january 6th, the former president was very excited about the size of the crowd at the cap

jones. rhodes has been a regular on jones' info wars show for more than a dozen years. >> why did you start oath keepers? >> reporter: together, jones and rhodes would whip up conspiracy theories and talk about government internment camps, and plots to confiscate ammunition. >> homeland security department is buying and has bought 1.6 billion rounds of ammo. >> they are buying it because they think might have to use it pretty soon. um, so they -- they believe -- almost every gun owner i spoke to is very concerned that this is -- this is for all the marbles and we are heading for civil war. >> reporter: armed oath keepers acting as vigilantes began showing up at civil disturbances, marches, protests, all while rhodes pushed the idea that a real war would need to be fought to preserve the u.s. from so-called elites and leftists. unless we can deactivate brainwashing, we are going to have eventually to fight them but it will be a different billion ball game. >> just days before election night 2

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jones. rhodes a regular on jones info wars show for more than a dozen years. >> why did you start oath keepers? >> reporter: together jones and rhodes would whip up constir sigh t -- conspiracy theories. >> the homeland security department bought 1.6 billion rounds of ammo. >> they buy it because they think they might have to use it soon so they really almost every again owner i spoke to is very concerned that this is for all the marbles and we're heading for a civil war. >> reporter: armed oath keepers began showing up at civil disturbances, marchs, protests, all while rhodes pushed the idea that a real war would need to be fought to preserve the u.s. from so-called elites and leftists. >> unless we can deactivate that brainwashing, we'll eventually have to fight them but when we do, it will be a different ball game because they don't have the military skills we do. >> reporter: days before election night 2020 rhodes told info wars viewers the time he was predicting was coming. >> a civil w

jones. rhodes has been a regular on joens' show for more than a dozen years. together jones and rhodes would whip up conspiracy theories and talk about government internment camps and plots to confiscate ammunition. >> they're buying it because they might have to use it and so they -- almost every gun owner i spoked to is concerned that this is for all the marbles and we're heading for a civil war. >> reporter: armed oath keepers acting as vigilantes showed up at civil disturbances, marches, protesters, all while rhodes pressed the war that a real war would have to be fought from elites and activists. >> we're going to eventually fight them but when we do it will be a different ball game because they don't have the military stills we do. >> reporter: days before election night 2020 rhodes told info wars viewers the time he had been predicting was coming. >> a civil war because you have sitting politicians who are part of the enemy's ranks. the good news for us is that we have 14 million rele

alex jones and also one of these longtime targets of the committee. he sat for what looks like it was a virtual interview with the committee on monday evening. and then, yeah, went on his show after it and laid out everything that he had told them. and what he called his kind of unofficial testimony. and among the more interesting things was that he said that caroline renn, this republican fundraiser who was involved in planning some of these rallies on january 5th and 6th had been his liaison, his go between, between the white house and, you know, folks like him. so this starts to show, you know, more detail around how these rallies are planned. something that had been a goal of the committee from the very beginning. even with someone like alex jones who didn't want to apply and said we plead the fifth, still able to get more information around it. >> piece together the time table. outside of washington, ayesha, the fulton county district attorney has permission to convene a special grand jury with subpoena power as she tries to investigate donald tr

in the meantime, we just learned that conspiracy theorist, alex jones was deposed by the committee on monday. he talked about this on his radio show telling listeners that he pleaded the fifth nearly 100 times. why plead the fifth if you've got nothing to hide. nbc correspondent, natalie vitale, what do we know about this, and remind us, why is alex jones important in the context of january 6th. he wasn't one of the rioters. >> it's surprising that alex jones showed up for the deposition at all. in december, he actually filed in a d.c. court to say that the january 6th committee shouldn't be able to subpoena him, nonetheless, he did speak with the committee yesterday saying he pled the fifth almost a hundred times, and here's why he said he did that. listen. >> the media tells you that's because you're guilty or because you're going to incriminate yourself but it's also because it could be used to incriminate you and twist something against you. >> you asked earlier why he's so important to this. the committee in the letter when they first asked him to appear before them said they had

the alex jones. jo, because there's a war on for your mind. i'll tell you the bottom line. 98 percent chance. this was a government orchestrated control bombing. i've been telling you this was going to happen just 2 weeks ago. they need, this is a pretext to bring you and your family martial law. donald trump also weighed in on the very day of the attack. i said, how could i play even a play even a 767 or 747 or whatever it might have been? how could it possibly go through this deal? i happened to think that they had not only a plane, but they had bombs that exploded almost simultaneously. fury surrounding 911 became breeding grounds for people with anti democratic ideals. now, oh, i trump and the world of conspiracies. the belief that $911.00 was an inside job planned by the administration of george w bush but president bush would subsequently launch his own attack on the truth. the bush administration was making an overtly openly fraudulent case. they put colon power in a chair at the united nations to lie to promote this notion that iraq ha

i conspiracy theorists like the american alex jones are now banned from youtube. oh boy. you tube hut site, diem. youtube has done a lot of tweaking since then. already that this community that's grown over the years of accident, you can't just get rid of it. quick management, new youtube rules only shift the danger to they were in paris and we're in a state of law and are in a western democracy. but let's go online, we're not in a democracy anymore. we are in yemen, we're in a failed state. ah. the full moon is come, you and accommodate these forms of escalating communication. didn't come into being with the internet. you does. and we know from psychology that the concept of an enemy can, of course, lead to a very strong mobilization in defense of one's own values you stagger will be 0. can often mobilize much more strongly than positive ideas of actually standing up for something doesn't begin this most. the, this method was used in propaganda, the 20s, thirties, and forties. yeah. and it's being used today by populous parties were to veto the deeds. this is berlin's fo

alex jones pleading the fifth almost 100 times. that's a lot for a guy who says that he wanted to answer the questions. he was just afraid of not answering correctly. that's what he said. words matter. look, words matter. democracy is under threat at home and abroad. the pandemic is still killing thousands of americans every day. and the fever of lies and misinformation shows no sign of breaking. exhibit a. anti-vaxxer robert f. kennedy jr. we talked about him last night, right? his disgraceful speech comparing life-saving vaccine policies to the actions of a totalitarian state and suggesting that anne frank was in a better situation when she hid from the nazis in a cramped attic in the netherlands until she was discovered and killed. well, tonight at least i guess he's apologizing, if you can call it that. and i quote. "i apologize for my reference to anne frank. especially to families that suffered the holocaust horrors. my intention was to use examples of past barbarianism -- or barbarism," excuse me, "to show the perils from ne

it's all funny and goofy when he has alex jones on but the hard-hitting questions about virology that he doesn't understand when it comes to doctors. >> ben collins. fascinating to look at this. thank you so much for being with us on this topic. appreciate it. >>> next up. how the country's official haul cast memorial is commemorating today. numbers show more and more younger people lack even basic knowledge of what happened 77 years ago. a look at that aspect of misinformation coming up after the break. at that aspect of misinformation coming up after misinformation coming up after the break. first psoriasis, then psoriatic arthritis. it was really holding me back. standing up... ...even walking was tough. my joints hurt. i was afraid things were going to get worse. i was always hiding, and that's just not me. not being there for my family, that hurt. woooo! i had to do something. i started cosentyx®. i'm feeling good. watch me. cosentyx helps people with psoriatic arthritis move, look, and feel better. it targets more than just joint pain and treats the multiple symptoms like joint

most recently the right wing fake news host alex jones revealed that he pleaded his fifth amendment right against self-incrimination nearly 100 times during an interview on monday. john eastman, the notorious trump lawyer that literally put the plan for a coup in writing also claimed his fifth amendment right against self-incrimination as a response to 150 questions and to document and to his document subpoena. according to a lawye for the house that spoke to cnn. but in contrast with the alleged fascist plot of 1934 we are seeing accountability when it comes to the maga mob who served as trump's boots on the ground on january 6th. just today, stewart rhodes and nine of his keepers pleaded not guilty to seditious conspiracy and more than 700 have been charged with this current insurrection. joining me is malcolm nance, intelligence analyst and the author of the upcoming book "they want to kill americans." jonathan katz, a formentioned author of the "racket" newsletter and author of "gangsters of capitalism." i want to start with you jonathan. i so enjoyed this incredible long read about s

one is the out in public nature of this in the extremist corners of the internet, alex jones' show where they are saying it's going to be bloody, we are going to stage a bloody, opposition to joe biden, not in a secret backchannel. >> yeah. i mean, reading this indictment this week, there was something wring ringing in the back of my head. i remembered reading that on the donald on january 5th. they were talking about stacks of six and 12. once you get to the capitol, find your stack. make sure you are talking through walkie-talkies, have earpiece,s leaving your ammo at home because we will come back in the middle of the night once we secure the capitol without the weapons we will come back and bring the weapons along from the qrfs. they brought this up the day before january 6th in a very public way. and it all comes up again in this indictment in these signal messages that the oath keepers were, you know, pushing in the days beforehand as well. so this cannot be a coincidence really. i mean, realistically here, how similar these plans were in public to the ones that were shared on sign

alex jones who takes the fifth admits he is impressed by their investigative work and professionalism. >> honestly, erin, he sounds kind of shaken in that clip about the experience overall, and it seems to be partly because he maybe wasn't expecting there to be that much detail, wasn't expecting his text messages and documents to already be in their possession. he talked about pleading the fifth and doing so because he was concerned that he would be sort of incriminated based on his inability to recollect things completely accurately. i think what he is trying to convey to his supporters is that he didn't plead the fifth because he had something to hide. he is trying to signal to them that he wasn't necessarily hiding. but i think of these individuals are worried because they were -- we are so knee deep into something that turned out to be quite violent and many don't know what that means for their own legal jeopardy. >> brad raffensperger said, they asked the questions. they already knew the answers. they had the texts. they had done their work. vau both thech. >>> next, president bi

jones, they're listening to stewart rhodes, taking it to heart. >> hey, guys. oath keepers here -- jason tatum. >> reporter: jason was featured in the documentary "homegrown." >> i have to own it. i was swept up, i was excited. and i was wrong. and i do, i feel awful about it. i think i need a wider, pulled-out view to kind of understand things better. >> reporter: the ex-oath keeper spokesperson left the group in 2018, rejecting his old rhetoric as dangerous propaganda. >> i was an independent journalist at the time, reached out with a job offer. >> did you feel as though you were working with the oath keepers? or did you feel you were a member of the oath keepers? >> no, i was definitely always working for the oath keepers, but the lines kind of blurred. and i became in time a propagandist for the oath keepers. i started noticing, you know, that a lot of my stories were being heavily edited or just outright refused. and, you know, that should have been my first warning sign. i should have probably just walked away then. >> what was your reaction to the charge

alex jones is i think a convicted liable or slander against the sandy hook families. phil waldrun is way outside the norm of any ex-military adviser and carolyn was a fund-raiser and event planner whose name was on those permits. talk about the kind of people around trump and his white house in the final days. >> these are affirmers, nicolle. people who affirm the baser instincts of donald trump. these are individuals who the president would call at 1:00 in the morning or 3:00 in the afternoon instead of conducting the business and affairs of state, he's conducting the business and affairs of trump enterprises and trump enterprises in the white house really boiled down to how do we hold the power we have? how do we prosecute those who stand in our way? how do we get the advantage? these individuals played the various roles. they weren't serious players in anybody else's orbit. who were these people before trump? josh holly and ted cruz weren't calling these guys up and asking for them advice and insights on policy, but for trump, they filled that piece he needed fille

abc news reporter alex jones -- alex stone's has the detail. reporter: it's a run that could go all the way to the top. amy schneider winning her 39th straight game. >> a tagline from the 2008 sex and the city movie urged viewers to get this verb away? amy? >> what is carried? reporter: making for the player with the second highest back-to-back victories. >> what is 1999 bottles of beer on the wall? what is 1912 angry men? reporter: bringing home a lot of money in the process, announced by the men who hold the all-time record. >> the 39 day total of 1,000,003 hundred $19,800, you know how the second largest streak in jeopardy history. see how long it will go, folks. reporter: ken jennings now one of the host has 74 consecutive wins. schneider asked on good morning america what advice she has been given as she ages closer? >> to relax and have fun and enjoy the moment. and that is deathly something that i have been trying to do. reporter: while her but is not over, others who know what is like to be on that stage including matt, are sending thei

jones, including previous interviews where he included blatent misinformation, it is removed. i would love to see artists with tremendous platforms, folks like taylor swift, jay-z, big players in music. it would be really helpful if they came out to take the same kind of stance. >> i know jill well enough when she puts on her brave face, and that of course becomes a very thorny conversation the minute you name check people. who do you think, christopher, has the power to advance this conversation and where does it go from here? spotify coming out today to put out this release saying they want to do something that is testing the water to see if that is sufficient, it is not if other people continue to demand a rebuff. >> i think that joni mitchell and neil young is a great place to get it moving. people may think they artists of the past but they're two of the greatest singer-song writers of all time. they are widely respected and when spotify was so dismissive of young, i they got under the skin of other singer-song writers who idolize these two. they up there, stevie wonder a

now i think christopher paul a friend of alex jones telling people to drink their urine. they are crazy and people are better understand the democracy is being damaged and undermined. and i believe that they would like to see a civil war in this country. i know a lot of people are going to disagree with me but don't forget i talked about this president long ago when he was first i inaugurated. he aligns himself with putten and others. while we are fighting ask the question, everybody, about why are republicans so opposed to us having voting rights? why do they want to take us back to where we had to fight? we're rallying, educating, marching, doing everything that could be done. the question is why can't we get one republican to support voting rights? >> all right.. democratic congresswoman waters of california. thank you. >> tomorrow i won't celebrate until using the -- in my first instagram live 12:30 pacific time. thank you for the time. i do appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> coming up in the next hour south carolina congresswoman and whip jim clyburn joins me live. >>>

jones. he spoke about the appearance on his podcast monday. >> i just had a very intense experience being interrogated by the january 6th committee lawyers. they were polite but they were dogged. >> reporter: jones revealed he invoked the fifth amendment nearly 100 times. >> i said this almost 100 times during the interrogation, on advice of counsel, i am asserting my fifth amendment right to remain silent. >> reporter: and said he did not want to answer all the questions for fear of perfect jurying himself. >> i try to answer things correctly even if i don't know all the answers. half the questions i didn't know the answer to and a bunch of them were emails i had never seen and planning things i had never seen, at least from memory. >> reporter: the january 6th committee may get more information from another key trump ally, conservative attorney john eastman who worked for trump leading up to the insurrection. he tried to convince then vice president mike pence that he could overturn the el

some of joe rogen's previous podcast including his interview with conspiracy theorists, alex jones, and there's precedent for this. one thing i would love to see is artists who have tremendous platforms, and not to name too many names, but folks like taylor swift, jay-z, and big players in music, it would be helpful and useful if those folks would come out and take the kind of principled stand that neil young, joni mitchell and brown have taken. >> i know jill well enough when she puts on her brave face covering the artist, and who do you think has the power to advance the conversation and where it goes from here? the fact that you have spotify coming out today and putting out a release saying they are going to be testing the water to see if that's sufficient, it's not if other people continue to abandon the platform. >> listen, i think joni mitchell and neil young is a good start to get this ball moving. people may see them as artists of the past, but their dna is woven throughout american music. they are two of the greatest singer songwriters of all-time, and they are widely respected

. >> reporter: after trump lo the section and talked about providing protection for alex jones and others he broadcast to donald trump his shadowy army is in position. >> we have the attempt to remove the president illegally, we will step in and the plans for january 6th started in motion, according to the oath keepers were asked to provide security. >> they were coming to the that went off the rails ant didn't happen. >> reporter: two days before the insurrection, rose posted an alert bullet continue on the oath keepers web site. "stand now," he wrote or "neil forever." they came armed in battle fatigues and began executing their plan to start the lawful powerful of presidential power, including multiple ways to deploy force. >> overran the capitol. >>> andrea givin joins us now. it if a mention some who have been in close contact with roads and planning for january 6th. is it possible this is only the beginning? >> anderson, that is the big question. what makes these connections so interesting, even going beyond this indictment, if you look whaptd leading up to january 6th, interacting

this is stewart rhodes speaking with alex jones. >> you've got to declare this regime to be illegitimate because everything out of team biden's mouth is illegitimate. there are 365 million of this, we outnumber them and we're well armed. they have a problem. >> it's easy to listen to those words and see those images of people in military dress-up, you know, wearing camouflage and the urban environment, downtown washington, d.c., but what we're learning in from this latest indictment is this group was potentially very dangerous and they had engaged in this paramilitary-type training, drawing members from the law enforcement and military community. just to give you a sense of what federal prosecutors allege, reading part of the indictment, they say on january 4th, two days before january 6th, while still traveling towards the d.c. metro area, rhodes spent approximately $4500 in mississippi on fireplace arms equipment, including sights, mounts, optic plates, and as they moved on, after january 6th, this group still tried to prepare and plan for inauguration day and denying joe biden that pe

jones land. in any event, i think will come out talking, and it's not clear the committee really believes that they need their testimony, but they want to put down markers for the broader inquiry, and there are a lot of possible charges that they could be subject to. impeding an official proceeding. they're looking at potential criminal referrals. >> all right. katie benner, -- i had, as january six investigation moves steadily through, donald trump's inner circle. what about the man in the center of it all? george connally and why says prosecutors need to start investigating trump, after this. investigating trump, after this i was injured in a car crash. i had no idea how much my case was worth. i called the barnes firm. when a truck hit my son, i had so many questions about his case. i called the barnes firm. it was the best call i could've made. your case is often worth more than insuran call the barnes firm to find out i could've made. what your case could be worth. we will help get you the b

they were coming to the capitol for a permanent demonstration in lot 8 that alex jones and ali alexander were going to have. that went off the rails and didn't happen. they also believed, and i don't pretend to understand this, but they thought the president was going to invoke the insurrection act and they might be called up in the nature of a militia. that sort of escapes my understanding. but they really did believe it might come to that, that the president would call upon them. but -- >> i'm sorry. i want to get to your opinion but i also want to focus on what they're saying. who told them to provide security? are they acting under the direction of someone in particular or were they volunteering and presuming to provide it in some way? were they instructed? >> they were volunteers, but they were asked, originally by ali alexander's event planning firm, to come to one of event and then they were redirected over to the ellipse for the women for america first rally. and they were there, and, you know, their role was to escort people through the crowd, provide medical support, that sort

jones. he spoke about the experience on his podcast monday. >> i had a very intense experience, being recogninterro by the january 6 lawyers. they were polite but dogged. >> he invoked the 5th amendment nearly 500 times. >> i said this, my lawyer told me almost 100 times today during the interrogation on advice of council, i am asserting my fifth ameasurement right to remain silent. >> reporter: and said he did not want to answer all the questions for fear of perjuring himself. >> i'm the type that tries to answer things correctly, even if i don't know all the answers, and they could then claim it's personalry. because about half the questions i didn't know the answer to. and a bunch of them were emails i'd never seen. and planning things i'd never seen, at least from memory. >> the january 6 committee may soon get more information from another key trump ally, conservative attorney john eastman, who worked for trump leading up to the insurrection. he has tried to convince then vice president

people like alex jones. michael flynn brought a case at one point. all of these cases haven't be gotten far off the ground. but i will tell you, today in court we do have one of them before a judge, taylor's spokesman for trump. he is trying to get a court to get rid of records that the house has already obtained related to his financial records. >> i know when you find out who this anonymous person is, you will bring it to us. kaitlan, thank you. >> thanks. >> 24 minutes past the hour. happening right now, snow for the morning rush hour in washington, d.c. and new york city, parts of tennessee and kentucky, too. let's get right to derek van dam live in atlanta. the snow is not quite here yet. it's rain, cold rain where i am. >> yeah, that's because the temperature is well above freezing. in fact, a little bit warmer than what we anticipated. let's talk about what the storm isn't. it's not a block buster storm, but it is the timing you mention that makes it so difficult for people. and temperatures here are ranging anywhere from 40 to 42 degrees acro

. >> sorry, alex jones is talking about anti-vaxers. >> we are allowed to laugh at that? >> too much. >> come on. anti-vax

. >> alex jones went public monday with the fact that he testified under oath to the committee on monday on his show, he talked about it. and he said that he took the fifth amendment about 100 times. and he said that he knew what the answers were for about half of those questions. you can't just throw the fifth amendment around. there has to be a legitimate concern that the answer to the question could expose you to criminal charges. was it your sense that the fifth amendment was being used properly in this case and that, indeed, there was criminal liability around the issues being discussed in those questions? >> well, if you listen to his public statements leading up to january 6th, they were very extravagant, inflammatory, and also prescient. so, there are questions about what he knew and what role he played. clearly, he must be concerned that he is criminal liability. we have yet to reach a conclusion. we are still meeting on whether to consider -- use immunity for some of those individuals who claimed fifth amendment protection. i set in on a large portion of that deposition and, fr

jones, roger stone, and conservative lawyer john eastman. now, a source familiar with ben's testimony tells cnn his interview covered the story behind trump's video address telling rioters to leave the capitol hours after the initial reports of violence as well as mark meadows' conversations with the former president and members of congress. and williamson's testimony may prove significant. as his long-time boss, mark meadows, continues to stonewall the committee. congress voted to refer him to the department of justice for criminal contempt of congress but they have yet to file charges. >> paula reid, thank you very much. we're also following the criminal trial of lawyer michael avenatti accused of defrauding his former client, the porn star stormy daniels. avenatti himself grilling her as she testified today. cnn's kara scannel is outside the courthouse in new york. tell us, kara, about this face-off. >> reporter: wolf, it was only about ten minutes of one-on-one questioning and avenatti opened by asking stormy daniels a question they hear

alex jones has now confirmed that he did meet with the january 6 committee. but hold on. jones revealed on his radio show that the virtual meeting happened yesterday. he also said that he asserted his fifth amendment rights almost 100 times throughout the deposition. jones recounted several questions he says he was asked by the committee including whether he used the proud boys and oath keepers as security on january 6th. he claims he did not. jones called the deposition a, quote, intense experience and said they were polite but they were dogged. 100 times. i wonder what information they did get out of him. and for the first time in more than a year a certain member of the u.s. capitol police force is speaking candidly about what happened on january 6th. you know officer eugene goodman from his bravery that day, redirecting the mob from the senate floor and redirecting senator mitt romney from the mob. now in an interview with a podcast called three brothers, no sense, he described what it was like. >> when you see me come up the stairs and you see me look, before i went