a trial in october of igor danchenko is not a win for john durham. the other problem he has getting danchenko getting flip and conversations, sentencing guideline for these cases are not that high. the corollary the benefit of cooperation is not gigantic. you can still make a run at a against attorney for probation on a false statement case without any sort of cooperation at all. disincentive or unavailability of big relief through cooperation is another factor that kind of points towards danchenko going to trial to put durham to the test when it comes to at least this particular defendant. elizabeth: we'll see, we'll see. special counsel durham we know he got approval from the judge to look into the possible conflict of interest because hillary clinton's campaign lawyers are defending danchenko. that is a conflict. durham is saying, watch this, that clinton, the campaign for hillary clinton and the defendant might have an incentive to shift the blame and or responsibility to each other for any alleged false information inside of that steele dossier.

the other odd thing i noticed was that the same law firm is apparently representing igor danchenko. remember that is the russian who was arrested last november and who helped fabricate many of the stories inside of the steele dossier. apparently the same law firm representing him is also representing the hillary campaign and higher-ups in the hillary campaign in the dealings with the special counsel. not only does that raise conflicts of interest -- elizabeth: yeah. that does. let's stay on, let's stay on the story about trump organization and alfa bank. >> right. elizabeth: in the durham court filings we have fbi counter intelligence officials being investigated. fbi agents on the trump organization, alpha story, rather being investigated, rather interviewed by john durham's team. in the durham court filings you see that hillary's computer signs activities looking into the back channel connection, this is head herring. it should be ignored. had that doesn't sound good at all for the hillary campaign. your word. >> no it doesn't. one of the reasons i'm sure the fbi counterintelligen