back to former cia counterterrorism official, phil mudd. he's back with me. p phil, what did you make of the reporting we got from ed? that he was apologizing? if he's that apologetic, he can put down his weapon and leave. what do you make of that? >> that's about the most critically important thing i've heard all day. if you're going into the negotiation, most of us think rationally. a conversation that starts with, you're not going to get what you want. that is not the way a hostage negotiator would begin this. you've got to go with emotion. you have to establish some sort of rapport with the individual. tell them you understand their feelings. my point, jim, is that bit of information, what the person said going in, gives us a window as to their emotional state that the negotiators can use to see if they can open an emotional door to their conversations. i thought it was really important to help the negotiators to figure out how to start talking this person down. >> and i mean, the fact that this is being live streamed and so many people you know, in that

we're joined by phil mudd. good to have you on this morning. you dealt with a lot of cases like this, given your intelligence background with the fbi. what do you believe his intentions were with this attack? what was he looking to accomplish here? >> it's not just what i believe, it's what he said. the reports coming out in the days after the event were that he went in talking about during the conversations with the fbi negotiators, talk about not wanting to come out alive. initially you might say he was suicidal. that's not what i think, jim. if you look at this one line of argument would be that he went in thinking he was dying for his faith, that he would be a martyr for the cause for this cult figure, siddiqui. he went in thinking he wouldn't come out alive. that's not suicide in his mind. that's martyrdom. >> when you see him calming on the name of siddiqui, what's the significance of that? because she has become an icon for jihadis around the world. why and why is that significant? >> significant because, i mean, she's been in jail for a

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. >>> let's discuss with former fbi senior intelligence adviser phil mudd and terrence gainer, former chief of the u.s. capitol police chief. let me start with you. the current capitol police chief says the force is tronger and better prepared today than it was before the attack a year ago. do you agree? >> absolutely, i agree. i know tom very well. i know the work he's been doing. jake, i've been talking to officers at all levels and they agree things are a lot better in equipment, training, information and intelligence and radio communications. >> phil mudd, after the attack, the capitol police inspector general issued more than 100 security upgrade recommendations. they say the police -- capitol police say they've only oned one-third of those. chief manger says today that about 60 others are under way. one such as stronger windows which can't be installed during winter. we don't know what's remaining on the list. some house republicans are out there saying nothing has changed, or at least not enough to make the capitol safer. is the u.s. capitol properly protected today? >> i think

joining us is cia counter terrorism phil mudd. how would you put together all we have seen? he learned a lot three hours, one of the hostages has been released. we have learned more about this desire to have sadiq kwu i released. where does this stand? >> reporter: i think in the past couple hours, things are changing. they have provided information on mr. there is a weapon. i assume there is. on the mental state of that individual, it's been a long time. this is an official length of time for a hostage investigation. so one of the questions is the emotional state of the person of the tahj u hostage-taker is declining over time. the fbi team on the phone is getting the same idea. is this person slipping away? i'd say finally, you got to presume the bureau identified this individual. you got to presume that that without mean more about the background of the mental state of this person. >> i want to get your state. we got our attorneys joining us, law enforcement believes that the motivation of this hostage-taker is at least in part to get sadiqqu freed from prison, she is ser

let's bring in phil mudd, a counterinvestigator. can you talk to me about we're over five hours in now to this hostage situation. how and when do the feds decide to go in? >> you got to look at the individuals that the person is holding the four hostages in the room. if there is not a sense if some of that you will get from the emotional state of the person who is evidentially on the phone. if there is not a sense there is a threat to the hostages, i don't see why you wouldn't continue the conversation. eventually, this person is going to get tired. they're not going to be live. we will not be doing this at 7:00 a.m. tomorrow morning. i think the better you are, as long as there is not a threat to the people in the room. >> okay. so it's a good sign if there is a situation like this. this has been going on for this long. let's talk about the motive. because cnn's reporting has come in just the last hour that two law enforcement officials tell us that the investigators right now in this ongoing hostage situation believe that the host

mudd is a cnn counter terrorism analyst. welcome to you all. congressman, let me start with you and what we just heard from ryan nobles, this new sound from minority leader mccarthy. is it time, first, to put aside this, i guess it's a courtesy of not subpoenaing or issuing subpoenas for other members to try to get him to testify, even if it's not successful to take the next step? >> well, i do think kevin mccarthy and other members should voluntarily come in and tell the committee what they know. i think it's rather insulting to congress that members are saying, hey, i have nothing to adhere, the information is not relevant. well, that's not really up to the member to determine. it's up to the committee to determine. and so, you know, taking that step to subpoena is a rather large one, and i don't say that lightly because it does set precedent. i can't think of times when we have subpoenaed members, maybe there were ethics cases years ago where that happened. it just doesn't happen. there are all kinds of political and lega

yesterday on the show we were talking to former fbi and cia official phil mudd. he said he's not only concerned about physical security. he's worried about how the language of political violence is becoming mainstreamed and accepted in the u.s. these days. take a listen. >> what i've seen change over the last year isn't just the threat to windows. it's more and more politicians saying what happened is maybe an acceptable part of the political landscape. i don't care how hard you secure windows or how many people you hire. if this starts to be part of the american political dialogue that is violence against a building, no intel guy, no security guy can secure that building. >> do you agree? do you think this language of political violence, of -- is becoming discouragingly mainstream and accept -- considered acceptable among too many people? >> jake, i think that the language of division creates a vulnerability because that divide is filled, and it is filled with ideologies that speak against our social norms. it is filled by false narratives. it is filled by our n