lawyer michael sussman remaining at the center of this filing. what exactly set off the conservative media when it comes to this? >> sure, so, special counsel durham recently did file a document with the court, and he said two things. he said, one, that a tech executive who was associated with the clinton -- with clinton world had access to white house servers that contained information, and he also said that access to the data had been exploited to gather derogatory information about donald trump. now, what a lot of people in conservative media have done is they've drawn a straight line between those two things, saying that the data access to gather derogatory information about donald trump, they assumed it happened when he was in office and they assume it happened at the behest of the clinton campaign. what they don't seem to understand from the filing and what other documents make clear is that, in fact, that information was accessed when barack obama was in the white house. so, it was not an attempt to spy on former president trump while he w

that attorney is michael sussman. he was indicted last year for making false statements to the fbi about his relationship with the clinton campaign. sussman's attorney said the indictment was based on politics, not facts. this latest filing about the tech executive exploiting access to the white house server is part of the case against sussman. a spokesman for the tech expert released a statement saying that claims in part quote me joffe as an apolitical internet security expert with decades of service to the u.s. government. he has not been charged. the durham investigation is ongoing. >> all right. let's bring in tom, i want you to set this up real quickly. first of all this joffe guy, who is seen as a key player in this field and has been for a long time, this tech executive that is mentioned, is he charged with anything? >> has not been charged with anything. >> has not been charged with anything. okay. you read the "new york post", you read editorials, the breathless -- the breathless coverage yesterday, the op-e

he is a technology executive who worked with sussman. sussman pleaded not guilty to the f.b.i. over debunked information that the trump campaign was in communication with a russian bank. according to durham, sussman through the tech man looked through computer database servers at the white house. it doesn't give you actual communications between computers. you can't read emails or texts but pings i.p. addresses. he was able to do this because he had a sensitive arraignment to collect dns information from the white house dating back to 2014. the reason 2014 because of a heightened fear of russian interference not necessarily with donald trump but the democratic national committee which was hacked by russians in 2015 and 2016. where durham is not crystal clear how long did the contract go into the trump administration? the tech person's spokesperson said it continued into the early days of trump administration when phones were discovered in proximity to the trump campaign and white house. according to john durham sussman took information to the c.i.a. on his own after he allegedl

so let's take a moment to read directly from the durham court filing against attorney michael sussman who is charged with lying to the fbi about his work on behalf of hillary clinton. according to the filing, sussman was, quote, a lawyer at large at a large international law firm that was then serving as council to the clinton campaign. the document continues, the defendants billing records reflect that the defendant repeatedly billed the clinton campaign for his work and, quote, the defendant had assembled amid allegations about donald trump to the fbi on behalf of at least two specific clients including a technology executive at a u.s. based internet company and the clinton campaign. stay with me here. durham then goes on to explain how these allegations were exploited from internet data mined at, quote, a particular health care provider, trump tower, donald trump central park west apartment building and the executive office of the president of the united states. those are his exact words. in other words, they were mining and exploiting data from the white house and likely after tru

the motion says a tech executive gave sussman nonpublic data about communications between computer servers at the white house and two trump-owned buildings in new york, describing exploiting his access to that data to search for derogatory information on trump. sussman, the filing suggests, shared exaggerated claims with the cia trump associates were using russian-made cell phones near the white house, an allegation the special counsel found no evidence of. but they counter durham knows the data collection ended even before president trump took office when barack obama was president. experts also tell nbc news the computer data itself is very limited. >> emails couldn't have been read. text messages couldn't have been read. they couldn't even have seen the content that was on the screens. >> reporter: the court filing does not allege a crime related to hacking. it also doesn't say anything was illegally spied on. hallie jackson, nbc news, washington. >>> just in tonight, dramatic police body cam video of that ambush in phoenix in which nine officers were shot or injured. a police officer i

but, in a few extra sentences, durham's filing mentions a second instance where sussman tried to raise concerns of a trump-russia connection-- this time apparently to the c.i.a.-- that information came from one of sussman's clients: technology executive rodney joffe. durham's filing noted that joffe's company, neustar, had an arrangement to provide security-related work on computer servers, including the white house's. but, according to the filing, joffee used that access to “to mine internet data to establis“" an inference” and “narrative” tying then-candidate trump to russia.” joffe has not been charged with any crime. all of this has now been spun by conservative media, and former president trump himself, to say sussman and joffe were clinton operatives who were paid to illegally hack into and spy on the trump campaign and trump white house. former president trump wrote,“ in a stronger period of time in our country, this crime would have been punishable by death.” in a column this week, pulitzer prize-winning journalist charlie savage of the "new york times" wrote th

sussman was involved with tech executive 1. the man who we know as rodney offy working with an internet company. to take information from servers at trump hour and executive office of the president, the white house. we're told it goes back to 2014 during the obama administration. he has not been charged with any crime. how joffey was able to get minuscule data from the office of the president was eye opening. sussman's teams wants a judge to strike that part from the official record. in a statement last night which is part of the filing, sussman's attorneys write the special counsel has done more than simply file a document identifying potential conflicts of interest. rather the special counsel has again made a filing in this case that unnecessarily includes prejudicial and false allegations irrelevant to his motion and the defense and intended to politicize the case, taint the jury pool. rodney joffey hasn't been charged with any crime. those close to the durham investigation it is accelerating and more people are cooperating.

it gives a motive for why sussman was doing it. as john said, as john ratcliff just said, because if he didn't lie, it would reveal the wide ranging conspiracy going on. i don't know if it is a criminal conspiracy but a conspiracy going on involving the clinton campaign to, number one, feed lies to the fbi about trump and, then, number two, leak to the press that the fbi is investigating this. that's exactly what they did with the alpha bank server allegations, which were not true and that is what sussmann was there at the fbi. >> laura: saul, really quickly in a few seconds, are we running into a statue of limitations issue here in a possible criminal probe given the time frame and how much time is left? >> that's a great question. it would look like on the surface we might be. durham has been working very, very hard and there is a wealth of things he is doing that we don't know anything about. there could be further lie that is were told to clean up the messes you talked about when clinton didn't win, when trump won, oh, my god,

durham says sussman who pleaded not guilty to lying to the f.b.i. and billed the clinton campaign after tech executive 1 mind internet data to establish a narrative tying trump to russia. in do so he indicated he was seeking to please certain v.i.p.s at law firm number one and clinton campaign. harris, the filing mentions domain name system data which really contains millions of pieces of data looked at by experts using algorithms to show potential connections. a former federal prosecutor told me the word spying may be going too far. listen. >> i don't think you can fairly say this is evidence of spying in the way that the word is traditionally used. we're not talking about intercepting communications. it doesn't make it right. doesn't mean it is not troublesome and it doesn't mean that john durham is not on a serious path of accountability. >> an hour ago the former director of national intelligence john ratcliffe reportedly told durham that evidence exists to file more charges though he declined to name names. here he is. >> based on more intellig

very quickly, sussman, you've got to look at these names. these are folks who in the case, he pled guilty and was charged with altering an email that led to the lisa page fisa warrant mess. and then sussman and the other guy, they have been charged with lies. they are lying to the fbi. what sussman lied about was that he went to fbi counsel james baker and lied and said he wasn't there on behalf of any candidate. he acted like he was a do-gooder, a public servant, when the clinton people had paid for him. all those who investigated the hours and hours of coverage, let's at least have our due and dig a little bit deeper and see where this takes us. >> sean: may be they'll have a committee on this. kellyanne, looking forward to your book. paul, in your book, you will describe that you are pretty much given to wink and a nod. if you tell us what you've heard about trump, whether it's true or not, you can walk out the door and you will be in prison anymore. is that true? you'll tell that story in your book? >> i'll be talking about the special p

he is saying its an ongoing active probe beyond the indictment of democrat lawyer michael sussman. this is a botched trump-russia investigation. it could ensnare biden team members from hillary's campaign. it could ensnare biden's national security advisor jake sullivan. what do you think? >> good evening, liz. that's right, jake brown van sullivan was at the time hillary clinton's campaign advisor and he was the mouthpiece for the hoax about the alfa bank which michael sussman, who was marc elias's partner at perkins coie, famous democratic election lawyer, also served as chairman of hillary clinton's campaign that was, that was the source of the information about alfa bank. it's a big hoax. so did jake sullivan know it was a hoax or was he duped? elizabeth: yeah. that is an important question. >> if you were rachel maddow liz, you might say the walls are closing in. elizabeth: well i don't, i'm also not saying that i have trump's tax returns when it is only two pages that she had. by the way you know, she is a great broadcaster but there are so many mistakes and lack of coverage

hillary clinton is more than happy to let sussman with her on the vine. after all, hillary is only ever concerned about hillary and according to hillary, if anything bad happens it's never ever ever her fault. it can be her fault ever. or bill's fault. >> i believe he knows he is an illegitimate president. he knows. he knows. he knows that there were a bunch of different reasons why the election turned out the way it did. >> when it comes to the self-inflicted wounds, when you look at the list of them when you go through them in the book, did you make enough mistakes yourself to lose the election without any of the of the things you talk about? >> i will say no. i don't think that will surprise you. but for that comey letter, she would have won. the russians weaponizing negative stories about me, wikileaks beginning to leak in early october. john finessed his emails. facebook was taking money from russian companies to run negative stories about me and let's not forget sexism and misogyny. >> sean: here with reaction, former democratic presidential candida

not almost, certainly the hillary clinton campaign through their attorney mark sussman. also by the way in coordination with another familiar name, marc elias, a cable news pundit electioneer. he was also wrapped up in this but it is anonymous, the words and names become generic, tech executive number one, in coordination with a big tech company, to mine data -- i think this is key as well, and then also reeling in a university's reserve department funded by government research grants to bring in big data. now you have coordination with government and the university system to go mine as much data as they can specifically targeting trump tower, i can't remember all the offices. lauren: also in the white house. that was what surprised me. pete: his personal apartment. will: specifically says in this with the communication to fabricate, in the part you said, rachel, to create a narrative. in other words a story, what ended up being a false story that donald trump was connected to the russian government. this is bigger than watergate. rachel: it is bigger than watergate. i h

thing that people as story growth this week about durham and some of the technologies about michael sussman, i would remind your viewers, that when became director of national intelligence, i asked to see all intelligence we had on trump-russia collusion, the answer was we don't have any, not just a little bit but we did not have any. i saw as a member of congress we had all kinds of intelligence about fake russia collusion that hillary clinton had a campaign plan to create fake russian allegations to smear donald trump with things about russia that were not true. you don't have to take my word for it i declassified wassion brennan's handwritten notes talking about intelligence collected to that fact and he was briefing president obama, and vice president biden about that. those were things that now john durham is revealing some of the details of what the campaign plan was and the way that folks like hillary clinton campaign lawyer, michael sussman. and other people, employed by or working with the clinton campaign, were selling a false narrative to the fbi and cia. i guess last point that

so michael sussman hit back last night. this inflamed right wing media is the spying of donald trump. but last night in a court filing called this something that durham was putting in his filing to inflame media coverage and taint the jury pool and said some of the information was wrong, that this data about phones being used around the white house was actually about the obama years, not about the trump years in office or the trump month in office in 2017. so this is something that really we're still trying to get a sense of what the facts are here. durham's focussed on this meeting. but, sussman right now is saying it really is misleading and taken out of context. >> that timing is huge if durham is aware that this is actually not during the trump administration times. is he aware of that? >> well, what really matters here is what michael sussman said to the agencies when he spoke to them. the only charged conduct in this case at this time is a meeting that michael sussman had with the fbi. he's accused of not about what d

and when you look at durham's pleadings in the michael sussman case, he is basically laying out a case of where a number of laws have been broken by the clinton campaign and where people are being protected by sussman's lawyers. in fact, the pleading is about trying to convince michael sussman and the court that he's not being well served by his own lawyers because they're, in fact, protecting the clinton campaign and others in the a allegations of their bias. so the pleading set out though, as you just anticipated, that durham has evidence of a come pro-- compromising of computer systems and an attempt to basically frame the president of the united states as having russia ties. i think this is going to lead in the end to brennan, clapper and comey. what we see is not just political shenanigans or opposition research that you would see in the normal, you know, campaigns where people are trying to find information out about their opponent. this is where government is being used, where information that's political opposition research that is false is being made up, is trying to be placed

in the trump russia investigation, in this motion under affection factual background durham reveals sussman, another lawyer, the tech executive solicited work to infiltrate servers at trump tower in the white house, durham wrote in the motion tech executive one and they exploited this arrangement by mining the executive office of the president traffic and other data for the purpose of gathering derogatory information about donald trump. republican congressman jim jordan and the acting attorney matt whitaker reacted to this today. >> we know 100% john durham filing yet there was spying going on and it was worse than we thought. they were spying on the sitting president of the united states and it goes right to the clinton campaign. >> it's beyond outrageous will happen in the fact that the left does not seem concerned that this is what was happening shows you how much they wanted to take president trump down. >> former president trump issued a statement reading in part this is a scandal far greater in scope and magnitude than watergate and those involved in new about the spying operation sho

do i think that trump himself said, okay, john sussman needs to put this out there? no, don't think that. i do think, though, that one of the main sources in durham's filing was cash patel who told us this story about sussman to begin with in testimony to congress. i think that this connection, this former trump appointee, getting in touch with conservative media, fox news' reporting was framed heavily around patel's framing that clinton hacked into trump's computer, which is very much not the case. nothing was hacked into. nothing was stolen. at most there was data saying, it's weird a bunch of computers and phones near these places were looking up website information -- looking up ip addresses that are based in russia around these times. that's the extent of what is being put out there in these documents. but conservative media was allowed to fill in the blanks. what they filled in with was a wild tale of clinton's deeds and they know that works. so, they're going back to the hits, is what it feels like. they know their audience has this strong visceral reaction to

the prosecutors said sussman worked with the tech executive who exploited his access to internet servers at trump tower, donald trump's apartment in the white house for the purpose of gathering derogatory information about donald trump. to establish a narrative tying trump to russia but days later after the filing was reported on fox news the new york times and washington post stopped covering it followed by the other networks and attempted to knock it down by saying the information was old and misinterpreted and essentially a creation of a right wing media echo chamber. >> people are desperately trying to connect hillary clinton with this lawyer giving him money saying slam donald trump, that never happened. >> or unitrust an official for filing from a special prosecutor or hillary clinton, the answer cannot be more obvious. howard: joining us from dallas steve krakauer. as i reported on the air we don't know the details of the information the tech guys obtained hit if anybody in the clinton campaign knew but we know this is a finding or an allegation with respective prosecutors. as soo

under this motion with factual background durham reveals sussman was involved with tech executive 1 and internet company to infiltrate the servers at trump tower and white house. he billed the clinton campaign after tech executive one to mine internet data. tech executive 1 indicated he was seeking the please certain v.i.p.s. the former president furious out with two statements over the weekend saying what hillary clinton and the radical left democrats did with respect to spying on a president of the united states even while in office is a far bigger crime than -- many on capitol hill at least republicans publicly agree with the former president and are speaking out on his behalf. >> we have to get to the truth. this is a threat to our democracy itself. it doesn't matter which political campaign this is or which political party this is. this is so wrong. >> congressman turner said if republicans take control of the house there will be a public investigation on this durham probe. also fox news is reporting that former director of national intelligence john ratcliffe told john durham ther

sussman is indicted, in john durham's probe into the origins of the trump-russia investigation. but in this motion under a section titled factual background, durham reveals that sussman, another clinton lawyer and a tech executive solicited work to infiltrate servers at trump tower and later at the white house. durham wrote in the motion, quote: tech executive one and his associates exploited this arrangement by mining the executive office of the president's dns traffic and other data for the purpose of gathering derogatory information about donald trump. republican congress juan phil -- congressman jim jordan and former attorney general matt whitaker reacted to this today. >> now we know 100%, yep, there was spying going on, and it was worse than we thought because they were spying on the sitting president of the united states, and it goes right to the clinton campaign. >> it is beyond outrageous, what happened here. and the fact that the left doesn't seem concerned that this is what was happening, i think, shows you how much they wanted to take president trump down. >> reporte

sussman pleaded not guilty to lying to the fbi for allegedly coming to the fbi for information that the trump campaign was in cahoots with a russian bank but not divulging he was working on behalf of the clinton campaign. that information did not pan out n this specific motion durham reveals sussman was involved with someone known as tech executive one who worked an internet company to infiltrate servers at trump tower and the white house. according to the court filing tech executive one tasked researchers to mine internet data to establish a inference, and quote, narrative tying candidate trump to russia. in doing so the tech executive indicated he was pleasing certain vips, referring to individuals at the law firm and the clinton campaign. >> basically the academics are telling michael sussman, hey, we found some connections but they're very thin, they're very easy to rebut and sussman went ahead still made it sound like it was a slam-dunk case. reporter: former director of national intelligence under trump john ratcliffe reportedly told john durham that the evidence should submit mor

it is clear look out devious it was the use sussman and the attorney-client privilege to cover everything up. stopped the special prosecutor every step of the way so durham, he builds his case slowly, step-by-step, you can bet your bottom dollar that when he does bring a case, it will be airtight against these people involved. steve: we look forward to that. jason? >> in watergate you had a campaign for burglars to go in and we saw how that ended up night have the hillary clinton campaign the dnc paying for been to the dialogue firm who is headed up the efforts there are about one dozen others to go through this. the allegation is they said you don't know who we are working for in the efforts we are doing have nothing to do with the campaign but it is follow the money. this is where i see that darren has a strong case because you follow the money if they are in their literally hacking the campaign, the white house, donald trump and the healthcare provider that is an interesting one i'm just guessing going after donald trump medical records and things like that not only will the tech form

it says a tech executive gave sussman data about communications between computer servers at the white house, two trump owned buildings in new york and an unnamed health care provider. the filing describing the executive as exploiting his access to white house data to search for derogatory information on mr. trump. sussman, the filing says, claimed the data showed trump associates were using russian-made cell phones near the white house, an allegation the special counsel found no evidence of and said sussman turned that info over to the cia rvives seizing on all of this as proof someone spied on then president trump, blasting what they see as a lack of attention to it. >> the silence by most of the media is very revealing. >> reporter: but here's the thing, that computer data only showed that different servers were communicating, not what they were communicating about according to experts. >> in other words, emails couldn't have been read, text messages couldn't have been read. they couldn't have even seen the content that was on the screens. >> reporter: the court filing doesn't say w

. >> he should, and now they have michael sussman. you see detail from filings they have about through and regarding michael sussman, and the individuals involved in this. markleiace is involved, you have jake sullivan, high should not be -- he should not be speaking on behalf of the united states of america, you look back at his tweets, you can begin to see the thread and story they were weaving and making it up as they went along. >> thank you, i appreciate you being so clear about, that guy, flip over to you, can you comment on legal side. this is strange the way it, merged, filing connected to this other environment in a second called faxual background, what do you think it emerged this way? >> great question. there are procedural wrangling here between the lawyers, if the finding that durham -- filing that durham issued on the 11th he indicated that there was a vast conspiracy between susman and others in terms of mining information and using it against the president. president elect trump. hillary clinton tweets out only a few d

today, sussman's attorneys, they asked for the entire case to be thrown out. that's not likely to happen. but in a new rebuttal from john durham, the special counsel, he writes that sussman's claims are quote, simply notot true , that the government included two paragraphs of limited factual detailts in its motion for valid and straightforward reasons. ll of course, hillary clinton is more than happy to let sussmanvi wither on the vine. ne h after all, hillary is only evera concerned about hillary. and according to hillary, if , it'sng bad happensry never, ever, ever her faulte can't be our fault ever or bill's fault. >> i believe he knows he's an illegitimate president. he knows he knowsde that there were a bunch of different reasons why the election turned out the way it did when it comes toom the self-inflicted wound . when you w lookk at the list of them and you go through them in the book, did you make enough mistakes yourself to lose the election without any of the other things you talkay about? well, i will say no, matt . i don't think that will surpris

according to durham's indictment of sussman. >> right. elizabeth: one researcher admitted in august of 2016 they would need to expose every trick we have in our bad to make a very weak association, that is a direct quote. only thing that drives us at this point we don't like trump. msnbc's rachel maddow pounding away at this. a lot of msnbc anchors all day long for years pounding away at what the fbi debunked and discredited as something that didn't happen. there was no trump original fa bank alfa bank connection. cnn went silent on this. trump said they were spying on me. a.g. barr said they were spying. they got slammed. why the radio silence now. >> they are embarrassed they pursued a fake story, when they were calling donald trump paranoid and crazy when he was being spied on at the trump tower, turns out he was actually right about that. they simply don't want to admit it. liz, you and i both know the opposite happened, if donald trump hiring a high-tech guy to covertly spy on hillary clinton, they would be screaming about it and wou

sussman pleaded not guilty. other than a handful of outlets not seeing anything whatsoever. how is this not news, harold? >> which think it should be news, howard. i wouldn't go as far as mollie but her point should be taken seriously all-out let's. i'm believer in the rule of law. everything flows from the constitution. the chips will fall where they may. those who are ah accused will defend themselves. they will face the consequences. i don't know what else to fair and share. howard: you want to debate, not criticize but not cover it seems to be way off. ahead, with julie banderas. why joe rogan policies doesn't matter. the president loves this story, versus mitch mcconnell over january 6th. totaled his truck. timber... fortunately, they were covered by progressive, so it was a happy ending... for almost everyone. liz, you nerd, cough if you're in here! soshh! i took mucinex dm... for my phlegmy cough. what about rob's dry cough? works on that too, and lasts 12 hours. 12 hours?! who studies that long? mucinex dm relieves wet and dry coughs. ♪. howard: media are all over

this is, this rodney joffy, conspirator with michael sussman had access to maintain dedicated servers at the executive office of the president, the eop, as part of a sensitive arrangement. he and his associated exploited the arrangement by mining the executive office of the president dns traffic. that is unbelievable. that is like espionage. that is a tremendous blockbuster. this is maybe the biggest scandal in the history of american politics. of course a lot of mainstream media who pumped the russia hoax story all these years don't seem to want to cover it but this is huge. elizabeth: they have been accessing data on trump since 2014 under the obama white house. that is fewer than 1000 times on trump. that is what special counsel durham is finding and he is ratcheting it up. it looks like they gave the documents, the story also to the cia in 2017. "the new york times" already reported agency two in the durham court documents is the cia. this is internet back channel to talk to russia's alfa bank out of the trump organization. the fbi debunked that as hotel marketing emails. nbc ran

now in a court filing special counsel john durham alleges tha sussman got his information fro a tech executive named who was scanning internet traffic from servers at both trump tower and the executive office of the president. durand believes he was looking for derogatory information, but he has not been charged and his attorney says he did nothing illegal. the lawyers are also fighting back quoting the special counse has again made a filing in this case that unnecessarily include prejudicial and false allegations and are plainly tended to politicize this case inflame media coverage, and tan the jury pool. the jury pool refers to the trial that begins in may. so far, there has been no response from john durham's office, but republicans are responding saying this is all very simple. watch. >> let me just simplify this. what they did is they spied on presidential candidates in then the president of the united states. when they didn't find anything, they made it up. armor president trump took it further telling fox news he believes this is the crime of the century. the mainstream media

we know that michael sussman is indicted on lying to the fbi. we know that they knew this information that they were giving was not accurate information. it appears that jake sullivan was intertwined in this, knowing what had actually transpired and that this was inaccurate information. elizabeth: yeah. >> so this is never okay. not for a democrat, an independent, a republican, it is not okay for anybody. elizabeth: let's watch former dni ratcliff lay out what charges could be at stake. he gave 1000 pages of documents to the durham team. watch this. >> anyone that was aware that this campaign plan was going to be falsely pitched to the fbi or cia or law enforcement or intelligence authorities would be subject to criminal prosecution for any number of criminal crimes and based on more intelligence that has not yet been declassified, i would expect there to be, frankly quite a few more indictments. i think this conspiracy, and i do think there was a criminal conspiracy, is broad and deep. elizabeth: senator, so sorry, got 10 seconds. running out o

i know they're under attack by sussman's attorneys. they are claiming they are gratuitous, not accurate. for that reason we have to wait and see. man, the cybersecurity of this country and the manipulation by political actors deserves a very good hard look by people like john durham. elizabeth: jim trusty, thanks for having you on. thanks for spending time tonight. we'll have you on soon. biden's border crisis. a spike in drug busts and gun seizures. border towns have been swamped with crime and mayhem. a "gallup poll," americans disapprove of the white house on this. we have the story. polls coming in, america is frustrated with the chaotic handling of covid restrictions. california may soon lift its mask mandate for schoolchildren. we're going to dig into it on "the evening edit". ♪. care. it has the power to change the way we see things. ♪♪ it inspires us to go further. ♪♪ it has our back. and goes out of its way to help. ♪♪ when you start with care, you get a different kind of bank. truist. born to care. your record l

i mean remember the sussman indictment alleges that mr. sussman went to the fbi, proclaimed that there was this russian connection. then went back to the media said, hey, guess what, the fbi is investigating a russia connection. it is so circular the way they feed themselves, create circular narrative, the trump rule ends justify means. fbi, media, political part of jim comey's fbi, hillary clinton campaign and they were like-minded individuals and too happy to spread this type of defamation for years it turned out. elizabeth: they were probing michael cohen, his family, nra, gop primaries, nato majors, france and germany. the durham probe, we know they're amassing grand jury testimony from clinton campaign officials, outside dem lawyers, lawyers,ciia officials but what is really treiching what happened under the obama administration, jim, obama's fbi, doj, performed fisa searches on americans against their forth amendments rights. this abuse went on for years. the fisa court said it was abuse. doj and fbi were abused by clinton campaign c

essentially what he argued is durham is trying -- and you look at sussman on screen. he's trying to dirty me up. he's using this filing which is not included in an indictment, and i haven't been charged with anything here to essentially say that i have been working with this tech executive to get information, and then present information to the fbi and cia and mislead the fbi and cia who i was actually working for, and that all of this is just to drum up inflammatory rhetoric about my client, about this investigation, about this case. and durham through his response said, look. that's not what we're trying to do. durham's attorney argues that, look. from time to time, we're going to have to put stuff in filings, and they cite cases involving roger stone. they cite a case involving a capital trader when there was a lot of brouhaha in the business community about sac capital. we have to save those things in filings, and if the press takes and runs with it, that's on them. as a matter of fact, we specifically talk about that. they say if third parties or members of the m

michael sussman is currently accused of making a false statement to the f. b i. he denies any wrong doing the countries, former leader, those things very differently. this is a scandal far greater in scope and magnitude than watergate. and those who are involved in and knew about the spying operation should be subject to criminal prosecution in a stronger period of time in our country. this crime would have been punishable by death. well, before becoming president in town, during his term keys, ations of collision with russia were only present for trump. it's something that both he and moscow have denied from day one, and a democrat appointed special prosecutor was unable to prove it in court. we discuss walter, spying allegations mean for the ledge. trump russia connection with the american politician and author arvin for a entire clinton campaign. the early phases. ready trans presidency was really fixated on some type of collusion with russia. and it just seem to be a distraction from anything of substance. you know, there as, as far as know to the, to this ti

michael sussman theular from the clinton campaign gave the cia misleading web data they had a tech company mine from the white house and trump tower networks and this doesn't merit coverage by a national security supporter for the "new york times"? the media has been downplaying durham and they are caught with egg on their faces and they are colluding with the left to diminish it all. joining me is congressman jim jordan and congressman jim banks. congressman jordan, your response to the "new york times" coverage of this meaning the coverage of fox's coverage of it. unbelievable. >> well, the press first promoted the lie that president trump colluded with russia. they pushed that narrative. when the truth is coming out that we said for years was accurate, they won't cover. it for me the big take away here is democrats always accuse republicans of being a threat to democrat. -- democracy. mark helped pushed the steele dossier and filed lawsuits after lawsuits going after republicans am and now we learn that the democrat's go to lawyer for the clinton campaign was involved on the effort to s

a lawyer, michael sussman, is currently accused of making a false statement of the f. b i, but denies any wrong doing. donald trump, however, sees it quite differently. this is a scandal far greater in scope and magnitude than watergate. and those who are involved in a new about the spying operation should be subject to criminal prosecution and a stronger period of time in our country. this crime would have been punishable by death. in the run up to this, to his presidency, i should say. and of course, during it accusations of collusion with russia omnipresent. it's something that moscow and trump have denied all along. and a democrat appointed special prosecutor was unable to prove it in court. well, we discussed what the spying allegations mean for the alleged trumpet, russia connection with american politician often barbara entire clinton campaign, the early phases. ready frowns, presidency was really fixated on some type of collusion with russia, and it just seemed to be a distraction from anything of substance. you know, there as, as far as know to the, to this ti

michael sussman, who was charged with lying to the 5th in that filing durham states that lawyers for the clinton campaign, paid a technology company to infiltrate servers belonging to trump tower. and later, the white house, in order to establish an inference and narrative to bring to government agencies linking donald trump to russia. all the news of this latest bombshell, doctor jill style, the 2016 green party presidential candidate tweeted, quote, they lied to you about vietnam. they lied to you about iraq and afghanistan. they lied to you about syria and libya. they lied to you about home, doris and bolivia. they lied to you about a song and russia gate. so why the hell would you believe what they're telling you about ukraine? which brings us back to j. sullivan, and indeed, why would we believe the one time clinton adviser now president joe biden's national security advisor on sunday sullivan made the media rounds, insisting that an eminent invasion of ukraine by russia is only days away and could happen. this week, and of course, once again, no evidence was provided by sulliva

the michael sussman, their for dnc campaign on dehalf of hillary clinton orchestrated an agreement with a tech company that said that tech company obtained a sensitive arrangement with u.s. government to infiltrate thous house servers -- infiltrate the white house servers that was generated and began with 2016, for anyone attacking us, they are not my words, john durham found the information to show. we know that means that hillary clinton campaign's lawyers, got together with the united states intelligence community, that is the only way you could get an arrangement to spy or infiltrate white house servers. trey: i tell you what else shocks me is ready access clinton campaign had to upper echelon to department of justice and the fbi, do you think we could get a meeting with general council of the fbi? >> i think you could. i might be on lesser footing with landing those meetings. but you are right, who in america can walk into the number one lawyer at the federal bureau of investigation, say in 24 hours, i want a meeting and give you information, who has that access to other intelligen

in february of 2017 after the election, sussman also met with general counsel at the cia. you may be wondering about the identity of those nonpartisan computer scientists who dug up all this information about donald trump's direct connection to vladamir putin. you may not be shocked to learn they weren't nonpartisan. once again jake sullivan was lying to us. in fact, a pro hillary clinton activist from south africa, rodney skwrof tpeu put together oppo guys. most came from georgia tech. in e-mails he explained why he was doing it. he wanted hillary to win the presidency was hillary clinton promised him a job as a top cyber security officer in the united states government. joffey wanted to help hillary win. in order to do that he gave his nonpartisan computer scientists a mission. their job was to gather data they had access to thanks to a government contract to connect trump to putten. we knew that because of john durham who spent the origin of the russia hogues and is finally producing some material. in the words of the filing, quote, joffey tasked those researchers to mi