. anything that has seen since chernobyl-— anything that has seen since chernobyl. thank you joseph cirincione, _ chernobyl. thank you joseph cirincione, thank _ chernobyl. thank you joseph cirincione, thank you - chernobyl. thank you joseph cirincione, thank you for - cirincione, thank you for coming on and giving us these warnings. heineken has become the latest high profile name to suspend operations in russia after macdonalds, coca cola and unilever announced they were pausing operations. the us secretary of state, anthony blinken, says the exodus of international companies is having a profound impact. moscow is accusing the united states of waging an economic war on russia after it banned russian oil. 0ur moscow correspondent, steve rosenberg, reports now on russia's increasing economic isolation. life is changing for russians. sanctions are making their country look very different. at mcdonald's, final orders. it's suspending business in russia over what it calls the needless human suffering unfolding in ukraine. customer alla believes the russian offensive is

and finally, there is travel to chernobyl? we don't have any l to chernobyl? we don't have any information _ to chernobyl? we don't have any information that _ to chernobyl? we don't have any information that the _ to chernobyl? we don't have any information that the head - to chernobyl? we don't have any information that the head of- to chernobyl? we don't have any information that the head of the | information that the head of the iaea said he is willing to go and talk to ease the situation in terms of security and safety.— of security and safety. bethany bell, thank _ of security and safety. bethany bell, thank you _ of security and safety. bethany bell, thank you very _ of security and safety. bethany bell, thank you very much - of security and safety. bethany . bell, thank you very much indeed. as we have heard, over 1.5 million refugees have fled ukraine. the majority have made their way to poland, hungary and slovakia and they have each received over 100,000 refugees. although the has seen thousands over their borders and the numbers are published dai

that is --a chernobyl-style incident. that is more than the horrors of conventional war, which have been the focus of what has been going on. treasuries have been with last -- whip lashed, because of what this might do or might not do to central rate outlooks. treasuries yields, benchmark yields dropped, but now easing back, but plenty of people were telling me they could go further today if things get worse. at the moment, 10 years are 1.8%, but people are watching whether they will end up under one point 7% if they get noticeably worse. we are also seeing extreme strains through dollar funding markets, which highlights the potential we will have some very extreme swings continuing to hit all sorts of assets as investor struggle to work out what the short-term implications of this are, let alone the medium-term to long-term ones. haslinda: garfield reynolds, thank you for that. reuters reporting that the fire at zaporizhzhia was outside the plant. this is attributed to reuters. we heard the same thing from our guest earl

the issue with chernobyl seems to be resolved at least for the moment. that leaves us with this issue with poland, with these jets. the migs that the ukrainians badly want and a question about getting it to them but how. how to get it to them and in which way. where do you see this going? >> i don't think it is going to happen. the reason i don't think it is going to happen is what we're seeing is that poland and the united states and the rest of nato are trying to hand off the question of who is responsible for being the last person to have their hands on the migs before they go into ukrainian hands because they know that the russians are going to say you are now a co-combatant, you supplied ukrainian pilots with the migs to go up in the air. the poles say, we're not sending it to ukraine. we'll hand them to the united states at ramstein air base in germany. and the pentagon within hours came out in that statement you mentioned from john kirby, basically saying we do not think this is tenable. the reason is president biden has said he does not want to b

. >> chernobyl was an accident. this is an act of war. this is a war crime unfolding in front of us. here's the state of play. if joe manchin's bill were put on the floor of the united states senate banning russian oil coming into the united states, increasing american production to make up for the shortfall, it would get 75 votes. here's the problem. the biden administration is to the left of the german green party and to the left of nancy pelosi. that's our basic problem. you can talk about this until you fall over. here's the problem. they didn't do this on trump's watch, russia, because trump would have kicked their ass. what happens is that putin looks at biden, he sized him up, he thinks he can get away with it and he's going to keep going and going and going and nobody in the west is going to stop him. how does this and? somebody in russia has to step up to the plate. is there a brutus in russia? is there more successful colonel stauffenberg in the russian military? the only way this ends, my friend, especially in russia to take th

plus, the site of chernobyl. regarding chernobyl last week, we were involved and it was so confirmed afterwards that the russian special military forces took charge of the site. at the same time, the operators of the plant, of the chernobyl plant, continued to grant day by day operations over there. a few days ago, we were informed again by the russian government that military forces were moving in the area of a nuclear power plant with the similar mission, to take over control of this facility. we got information since that there advance towards the perimeter of the nuclear power plant was met with opposition and a group of civilians obstructing the access to the plant. finally, this happened. and last night, in the early hours of the morning, we got information that a projectile had impact with a building adjacent to the block of reactors, six of them. the projectile impacted this building and a fire ensued, which was after some time put out by the fire brigade at the station. it was confirmed through our conta

do you plan to negotiate in chernobyl? i'm not quite sure. >> we are going to be sharing some elements with both sides and we are going to try to agree on that in spite of the consultations we need to have. >> that's the plan, to negotiate there? >> yes. >> okay. >> just to follow up on that statement. who do you envision as your counterpart that normally foreign minister? so do you want the foreign ministers of russia and ukraine to go there? >> talking -- of course i'm talking with the political authorities of the countries and this is also something that we are -- we have to know that this is an unprecedented situation. normally in diplomatic practice one easy way out is to refer to precedent. it was done in this way last time this happened so this establishes some sort of practice or tradition. unfortunately, here we are in completely unchat terd waters and -- but to animate this initiative is to act and heed this call for assistance bearing in mind the realities on the ground. >> couple of questions. i'll keep it to a

in chernobyl, there was a threat, liz peek that would wipe out europe. so this is a serious issue, not one but two nuclear power plants he has gone after. they are saying he may go after more. what do you say, liz peek? >> i think putin is not just trying to threaten the citizens of ukraine, liz, he is holding the entire western world captive. he knows that we are scared, that we're scared he raised nuclear forces level status and we're scared going after the nuclear power plants. i know this sounds bellicose, i don't want to get into a war with russia at some point. nato has to show we're not afraid of putin and stand up to him to push back. right now the biden administration tiptoeing around, are we giving them fighter jets, aren't we, let's not make putin mad. he already mad and dangerous and a criminal. i think at some point we call the bluff, liz. i don't know how to do it, whether massive cyberattack on their institutions or how we go about it but at some point we cannot let a mike clear armed madman basically dictate the future of western europe a

, the russian troops rolling into chernobyl. we had heard the iaea also and other groups saying they had detected some radiation there. this is clearly part of a russian plan to either secure these sites or to destroy these sites. you know, it was earlier in the hour we were talking about them cutting power to some of these smaller villages look, if they can take over that power plant, we're talking about power on a massive scale being controlled by the russians, not just the military target, but something that could certainly become a tipping point in this conflict and something that you can be sure the white house and the world are going to be watching closely. >> yeah, we -- the latest we have gotten, this began with the mayor of the town, and then the next person quoted was a spokesperson for the power plant. now being quoted is the foreign minister of ukraine. and a government official unnamed thus far is the one who said that after this firefight and the resulting fire at the nuclear plant, that's when the levels of radiat

miles, the name chernobyl, of course, haunts any discussion of nuclear power. what's the real threat of what's happening there now? >> john, i think we have to put it in perspective. the nuclear fuel we're talking about there is old and cold, the last operative reactor at chernobyl closed down in 2000. yes, there are 20,000 spent fuel rods in a pool there slowly cooling down, but each of them has about the equivalent of 35 watts or a night-light to them. and, so, if you left them in that pool of water for a week, it might, without doing anything to it, it might get to the temperature of a warm bath. now, as for the actual melted-down portion of chernobyl where the real trouble occurred 36 years ago, there's no power or water required to keep it safe. it's inside a shelter. >> reporter: but there are operations still going on, decommissioning operations. what are the options of restoring power to chernobyl and why would the russians want to be in that area which is uninhas been taliban because of contamination from radioactive materials? >> it's a good question.

a radiological officer during the chernobyl nuclear disaster in 1996 joins me now. knowing chernobyl like you do and what needs to be done on a day-by-day basis to keep everybody safe, what is your major concern right now? >> well, i would describe the situation as basically terrible because the shift at the nuclear power plant for -- excuse me. >> todd: are you this with us? we can hear you fine, can you hear us? >> i can hear you, sorry. okay, because the shift of nuclear power plant is to -- they are forced to work well like, yeah, basically 22 days and nights. it is absolutely abnormal, the people are exhausted and despite the professional outstanding responsible people, they are near going on strike. the problem is that -- don't let the shift be changed. sergii mirnyi. this is terrible because top management of the chernobyl nuclear power plant is ready to replace them, but -- don't let them be replaced. >> it is frightening, my question to you, what is the threat to the region and how far does that threat extend? >> well, it is exactly what i wanted to tell yo

it’s working in chernobyl. does not tally with what you have heard? it's good to be with you. _ with what you have heard? it's good to be with you, thanks _ with what you have heard? it's good to be with you, thanks for _ with what you have heard? it's good to be with you, thanks for the - to be with you, thanks for the interest in this important matter. as part of our mission we are in permanent contact with the ukrainian nuclear regulator who is our normal natural counterpart but also with some of the operators in chernobyl and also zaporizhzhia and other parts of the country, and yes, we are aware that for example the shifts are not being regularly exchanged or changed, as should be the case, and we have been in contact with the russian side as well, indicating that this is not something that should be happening. as you know, i have launched an initiative to come personally to chernobyl or to other places in order to put some logical functioning order into what's going on. on the one hand in terms of safety and security of the nuclear plant, i don'

of course, many people have been thinking about the chernobyl disaster in these last 24 hours . what would a nuclear reactor disaster in ukraine mean for europe to day? i'll be better prepared them back then. so 1st i want to make sure that we understand that the reactor, right? no older react, rosie no crane are not the same kind of reactors. dutch chernobyl was the reactor itself. when unders very important safety measures a after, obviously after it your knobby but or softer fukushima including a european stress tests. so they reactors, themselves are very different kinds of reactor as well as the safety measures are, have been upgraded all the time. yet if there is a release to really depends on which kind of for release, we probably are not speaking on the same kind of chernobyl, or, and fukushima. and most of the reactors right now do not work. the coolant systems are being operated operating. so it's not going to be a release as the kind that we saw internal built. but if there is an release, it's going to be much smaller and depends on the wind measures and how they're g

she has a relative working inside the chernobyl plant — the site at chernobyl has been controlled by the russians since the 23rd, 24th of february. your relative is inside at the moment. what have you learned about the conditions under which he is trying to work? , , _, ., , conditions under which he is trying to work? , , ., , ., to work? so, yes, the conditions are kind of a concern _ to work? so, yes, the conditions are kind of a concern right _ to work? so, yes, the conditions are kind of a concern right now. - to work? so, yes, the conditions are kind of a concern right now. it - to work? so, yes, the conditions are kind of a concern right now. it is - kind of a concern right now. it is like, the food is only porridge and bread. they cannot sleep normally because first of all they have to work basically 24—7, they have to keep maintaining the plant working properly, and almost all their movements are controlled. they can't movements are controlled. they can't move freely. theyjust movements are controlled. they can't move freely. they just always have to be followed by the rus

power who has been cut at the decommissioned chernobyl nuclear plant. we will take you there. the u.n. nuclear group says it sees no critical impact of safety right now on safety. correspondent trey yingst is in the capital city of kyiv tonight. we will talk to senator sasse from the intelligence committee in just a bit. trey yingst in kyiv with the very latest. we want to barn you here some of the images in this piece viewers may find disturbing. good evening, trey. >> bret, good evening. across central and southern ukraine tonight, a shaky cease-fire is putting at risk thousands of civilians who are trying to escape. >> an intense search for survivors in the southern port city of mariupol after a russian missile severely damages a children's hospital and maternity ward. [sobbing] >> local officials saying at least 17 reported wounded, including children and expected mothers. >> it is a crime without any justification. >> most heart breaking incidents for a city under constant russian bombardment for days. residents cut off from power, food. the world health organization 18 a

the world's largest nuclear disaster and ukraine's chernobyl plant in 1986. thankfully the fire was put out and did not spread. radioactive in the immediate area to not have risen according to the u.n. nuclear watchdog a iea which has spoken with ukrainian officials. still u.s. energy secretary went on alert over this and president biden was in touch with president zelenskyy. it happened russian troops moved up south. the locations that this happened that is about 100 miles north of crimea, 350 miles south of kyiv and started shelling the plant. and the administrative training building, that caught on fire. five or six nuclear reactors were shut down and pretty massive concrete casing. but in fact the last couple of days, they tried to block it and they knew what the dangers were. they stood on the street with thousands in front of the tanks, but at the end of the day, the fire from the russian troops proved too much. there were fears that one reactor had been hit. there were fears that shells hit in the opening cooling pools with the facility, but again, thi

the last operative reactor engine noble closed down in 2000 -- in chernobyl closed down in 2000. yes, there are spent rods in a pool slowly cooling down, but each has the equivalent of about 35 watts, or a nightlight to them. if you left them in that pool of water for a week, it might, without doing anything to it, it might get to the temperature of a warm bath. as for the actual melted down portion of chernobyl, where the real trouble occurred 36 years ago, there was no power or water required to keep it safe. it is inside a shelter. john: but there are still decommissioning operations. what are the options for restoring calendar to insurabl -- to chernobyl, and why would russians want to be in that area given the radioactive materials? miles: good question. there are a couple other areas within the grid that could be reactivated, one inside ukraine, one inside belarus which was turned off before the invasion. you could get the power on very quickly, in theory, and there are a few hundred people who work there, and on a good day it is a dark and dank place to work. strategically

we have seen she left -- we have seen fukushima and chernobyl. people understand the gravity of the nuclear site not being secure and controlled. it can be a catastrophe. reporter: a memorial in the town center commemorates the victims of chernobyl, the world's worst nuclear accident that took race nearly 40 years ago. people here want to the international community to do more to help safeguard ukraine's nuclear sites so that it graham part of history will not be repeated. natasha, al jazeera, varash, northwest ukraine. lauren: and russian invasion has driven more than 3 billion people out of ukraine, almost half of them children. the un says every second, another child is becoming a refugee. 1.8 million people have crossed the border into poland, where they join long to get supplies and buses. the city says it is running out of room, and towns near the border are calling for help, setting up new shelters. >> the main reason to leave ukraine is that my mother needs therapy. in ukraine we don't have drugs. so made the decision to leave and continu

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chernobyl is not operating anymore. they have all the reactors -- >> there is a sarcophagus. >> precisely. >> that is concerning. >> it's concerning. but what i would like to tell you is that the safety of the operation there is not compromised. i want to confirm this. i want to at the same time i think we need to be precise. this does not mean that everything is okay. but the safety of the plant there, there is no immediate radiation danger here. sit normal in this sense. >> very good they are off diesel generators. do you get the sense when they are talking to the russians they understand what's at risk here? do you feel they are act anything good faith? >> everyone understands very well what is at risk here. let me make that perfectly clear. everybody understands what is at stake. this is why we need an agreement. we need a specific nuclear safety security specific ad hoc arrangement so that we are not moving from one another, trying to prevent a thing here, a thing there, putting out a fire here, repairing a power l

he is considering traveling to chernobyl which is important for the situation. what happens next is the situation that is very difficult to sustain and very fragile. a recap of the earlier comments, radiation monitoring is fully functions. no release of radioactive material so far. a look at markets as we close out the show which understandably in deep decline cac down in paris 4% same for dax and germany the ftse down 4% as well the sectors are affected oil and gas, especially so, with exposure to energy with the nuclear which is the only out per former at the moment prices with oil surging above $120 a barrel in thursday's session. you are looking at insurance down nearly 4% we are bringing you across the latest lines as well from the situation within russia. russia is apparently blocking the bbc from broadcasting in the country. the situation unfolding in russia at the moment the control of media and control of narratives which are contrary to the kremlin narrative. as we close out the program, we will hand you over to the colleagues in the u.s. do stay here

>> i mean, chernobyl, was a terrible accident. i'm not saying it was necessary the worst than chernobyl. but i'm saying if you look at possible nuclear accidents, and the worst-case, it could most closely resemble. i think it would be more likely to be fukushima. and if the plant lost cooling systems, if it wasn't able to keep cool fuel, and if you will melt down. you can have a release of radiation that will be similar to the fukushima disaster. fukushima and chernobyl were fairly similar to one another, but they have very different causes. this is what a meltdown in ukraine's nuclear power plant could look like in the worst-case, which i want to be very clear about, we did not see tonight. >> james acton, thank you very much for your expertise on this. and cal perry, thank you very much for joining us again. stay safe. your reporting is invaluable. thank you, cal. >> and tonight's last word is next. word i next [szasz] we take care of ourselves constantly; it's important. we walk three to five times a week, a couple miles at a t

it's very - hard to understand, chernobyl is at the top of the list of places you don't want to go to and at first it seemed to be just a military expediency, sees the electric power but this may be something even more sinister here, there may be a polluted employee to hold these plants hostage and may be to threaten sabotage on it, threatened ukraine with an intentional radiological disaster. this is why the iaea directors call for an immediate ceasefire, access to the plants, visits of international inspectors is so important, even despite everything else thatis even despite everything else that is going on, something at these plants could be a catastrophe beyond anything europe has seen since chernobyl. stay with us on bbc news, still to come: we'll tell you how the world's most famous undiscovered shipwreck, sir ernest shackleton�*s endurance, has now been found. the numbers of dead and wounded defied belief. this, the worst terrorist atrocity on european soil in modern times. in less than 24 hours then, the soviet union lost an elderly, sick leader, and replaced him with a dyna

you asked about chernobyl. we have seen indications that some russian forces are departing and the chernobyl plant facility. again we gather at they are leading to the north to go back towards belarus. again indications are not completely clear at this time. i think you are asking is that part of it or something separate? we would assess at this early stage it is a piece of this larger effort to resupply and not necessarily done because of health hazards or some sort of emergency or crisis. that would be our assessment and i honestly don't have an update or you on the convoy. i don't have anything for you on that. i don't even know if it still exists at this point. it's been now so long. they never, ever accomplish their mission. they never really provided a supply of any value to russian forces that were assembling around kyiv. it never really came to their aid. ukranians put a stop to that convoy pretty quickly. by being very nimble in knocking out bridges and hitting lead vehicles and stopping their movement

ukraine has 15 nuclear plants and the russian military has forgotten chernobyl and the world's tragedy. >> we cannot go on like this. there has to be clear understanding or clear commitments not to go anywhere near nuclear facility when it comes to nuclear -- to military operations. >> reporter: some have called the targeting of such sensitive infrastructure a war crime. >> reporter: do you think that these nuclear plants are going to be targeted specifically? >> they are extremely callous. they don't give a dam about civilian casualties. but i would surprised if they were going to deliberately target with missiles or to nuclear power plants. although, you know, with a sociopathic president putin, anything is possible. >> it's energy extortion, nuclear energy extortion, in this case, and it's also extortion of the ukrainian people, because it's going to harm their ability to gain heat, have a electricity. this is a diabolical maneuver by vladimir putin. >> reporter: ukraine is home to 15 nuclear facilities, with two taken already, russian forces are now approaching ukraine's second lar

just bring us up-to-date on the situation in chernobyl, we - on the situation in chernobyl, we are hearing some worrying reports of the power being severed and that potentially being quite risky. yes. potentially being quite risky. yes, we learned _ potentially being quite risky. yes, we learned about _ potentially being quite risky. yes, we learned about a _ potentially being quite risky. yes we learned about a week ago potentially being quite risky. 123 we learned about a week ago that the chernobyl nuclear power plant had fallen into russian control. for a lot of people watching, that will be a triggering name. it's the scene of the worst nuclear power disaster everin the worst nuclear power disaster ever in 1986. so it is currently contained, the nuclear reactors are under 24—7 control. now, we understand that the staff are able to continue working there, we think thatis to continue working there, we think that is still the case. but in the russian advance, a power cable was damaged, so save the ukrainian authorities, and they were worried that power cut would lead to a nuclear waste

the chernobyl plants now under russian control. according to the iaea, the ukrainian crews are working under tremendous pressure while managing the plants. chernobyl, you'll recall, is the site of the world's worst nuclear accident in the '80s. the plant has lost external power which it needs to pool used nuclear fuel and is currently running on generators. some experts were horrified by russian military moves near ukrainian nuclear power plants in the first place, especially after fire broke out during a russian attack on the zapor zea plant. some experts say russia is going after those plants for a very specific reason. >> reporter: first russia seized chernobyl, site of the world's worst nuclear meltdown. a week later, zapor zea. now power cut from chernobyl and more than 200 plant workers held host along, alarm bells are ringing. >> translator: this was terror at a new level. ukraine has 15 nuclear plants and the russian military has forgotten chernobyl and the world's tragedy. we cannot go on like this. there has to be clear m

and if we learned anything from the chernobyl disaster, radioactive nuclear waste can travel far, it can travel fast in an explosion. ukrainian foreign minister saying this tonight, russians must immediately seize the fire, and allow firefighters to establish a security zone if the plant blows up, it will be ten times larger than chernobyl. joining us now is james act. he is the co-director of the nuclear policy program at the carnegie piece. mr. acne, thank you so much for being here tonight. i think people around the world have a lot of questions about how exactly to process what we are learning this evening, coming out of ukraine. instinctively, a lot of people are going to be concerned, what threat does a fire like the one we just heard about post to a plant like this? >> thanks for having me on this evening. and this is a serious situation. the first thing that i want to emphasize is that radiation levels around appear to be normal right now the problem's own website measures radiation levels, they put data in realtime. the website crashed just before we went on air, just becaus

these plants cannot go off like chernobyl. they are not 1x chernobyl. chernobyl was radically different, with no containment zone. these plants are small reactors inside a one-meter thick concrete, very strong and thick reinforced steel rebar. so it was never going to go off, that was always follows. and if there is any nation in the world that would understand the difference between chernobyl and the reactor that they rely on everyday, it would ukraine. i don't want to question the motives, but it seems grossly irresponsible from my perspective, and certainly that was the headline that captured people's attention. i fielded inquiries from young parents historically wondering about their child as far away as sweden, and i have had to say no, fouls, that's wrong. i have had to walk people through the steps of how this facility is not in anyway, shape or form, capable of doing 10x or 1x chernobyl. emily: so what is the danger if russia captures the power plant. how dangerous is it? what should we be worried about? mark: each of the plant has a valuable up

you heard anything about what is happening inside the chernobyl nuclear power plant? i have the same information as you have from media. but, of course, it's so painful the question about chernobyl and possible disaster, because the communications were cut off. i understand... i realised that it could be a nuclear catastrophe for the whole region, for the whole europe, and, you know, we have to do everything possible to stop this. i understand that, you know, for the kremlin, this war, people's lives don't mean anything. but for us — for belarusians, for ukrainians, for the democratic world — it means a lot, and wejust have to do everything possible, you know, to stop this. it's awful. you have not been able to live inside your own country since that fateful election in the summer of 2020, when you claim and you insist that you won the election, but you also claim that there was systematic fraud and rigging. lukashenko claimed victory, and in the popular protests that followed, you had to flee with your children, and i believe you're now spending most of your time

goes to the chernobyl plant, through those territories. so it is even more risky, because it crosses borders twice. just on the point that you were saying about the conditions there, obviously he's very tired, and raffaele grossi, the secretary of the international atomic energy agency says that when people are tired, that affects their ability to do a sensitive, safe job and your relative must be worried about that, but what would his message be to the iaea, what would you like them to do to help? he is not a specialist in politics but he wants them somehow, the iaea, somehow to manage the process of rotation between the shifts, because first of all there is no staff responsible for some of the processes and functions at the chernobyl plant, so, they haven't access to some control systems, the staff systems, the staff which are currently there. second of all, it is that they are exhausted and they have stayed as you said, and it could affect the normal functioning of the plant, and third, in the worst scenario, they are just asking for so

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the ukrainians are now saying that chernobyl, which is controlled by the russians now has been cut off from the power grid. that's obviously of great concern, although the international atomic energy agency is saying right now they do not believe there is any danger with the radioactive material that remains on that decommissioned site. we've also been talking about the polish mig fighter jets. well, we understand now from the united states officials that they do not think the risk reward of handing those jets over to the ukrainians is worth it. they say the risk would be widening the conflict, making it a much larger conflict with nato aircraft involved. the reward would be minimal. they say the ukrainians are much better off making use of the thousands upon thousands of javelin and stinger missiles that the west, including the u.s. is sending to the ukrainian forces. finally, if there's a glimmer of hope anywhere in all of this today, it is that the foreign ministers of russia and ukraine are planning on meeting in turkey today. there has been a modicum of movement perhaps in the pos

it is in the direct vicinity of the chernobyl power plant. and what's peculiar about it is that it has been maintained with the support of the european union, screaming about it as thick as like this place all over the equipment must rally, sweep across europe over surging energy prices caused by punishing russian sanctions. some governments are suggesting people simply turn down the heating, we get reaction in paris. it's not as that should reduce our heating and reduce our consumption of petro or other things. there are a lot of housing that may become harmful for health when it comes to energy efficiency. and the u. k. cancels a trip of high ranking officials to india emit boris johnson's unsuccessful attempts to get the country to take action against russia. despite pressure from the west, new delhi stay neutral, both in the u. n. and in bilateral relations. ah . from moscow to the world, this is our see international. i'm pita scott and these the top stories this hour. i get straight to the main developments in the ukranian conflicts. th

i think the accident would be different from what happened at chernobyl. chernobyl was a different design and the type of accident that occurred at that reactor led to a much larger explosion and a much greater and wider dispersed area of radioactivity but that did affect most of europe and was even detectable in the united states. i don't think these types of reactors would lead to that kind of extensive contamination but they could pose a serious problem for the health and safety of ukrainians, especially as they're coping with the assault that they're under now. so just add another very dangerous dimension and another threat that they certainly don't need at this point. >> thank you, very much, mr. lyman, edwin lyman nuclear power safety expert, we appreciate you joining, may have to get you back. just to let you know -- yeah, i hope not, certainly. right on. thank you, sir. so this is what we know, the zaporizhzhia power plant, they're telling us that one generator out of six is operational. there's a fire continuing there, there's been fire in the are

if it blows up, it will be 10 times larger than chernobyl. russians must immediately cease the fire, allow firefighters to establish a security zone, explanation mark else mark, als residential apartment building under shelling. a local driver captured one such attack on dashboard video, published by new york times. you'll see them freeze at one time where they highlight the individual projectile falling on what the driver says is a residential area and you'll see multiple projectiles. [ speaking foreign language ] that is not precision bombing. those are multiple projectiles falling in what is said to be a residential area. along with the growing attacks on civilian areas, yet more people forced to relocate or flee the country entirely. upwards of a million people are now refugees and that number rising according to the u.n., yet in all the grim news and grimmer forecasting, there is also th berlin's central train station in germany, greeting women, children, some carrying signs, offering total strangers places to stay. and later today, lear

pwh what i would say is we have gotten through the worst of it with chernobyl and zaporizhzhia. the risk is low. there are other reactor sites in ukraine. really at this point the risks are local ones. we're not really facing a kind ofer in -- chernobyl-like incident. >> what about in terms of communication. as the russians have taken control of these facilities, the ukrainians have lost communications with their staff, chernobyl in particular. we understand from the iaea that they are no longer in communication with the staff at the chernobyl facility. how critical is it for international monitors to know what's going on there and more broadly at all these facilities? >> well, it's extremely important. one of the most important things to note is the staff at chernobyl has not been able to change. it's the same group of people forced to stay on site the entire time. raphael glrossi expressed a lot of concern for the people. while the risk is not particularly high, these facilities do require staff to manage them. and the burden on people essentially being held prisoner there and

i remember chernobyl. i know what influence radiation has on people's lives. with all these threats combined, i'm still asking the question, what is the plan from the nato countries? how are we supposed to fight if we're not getting the support from the air? this is the main point right now. putin is able to bombard the nuclear plant because ukraine cannot oppose him in the air and this is much more critical for what i see right now than the threat of the chemical attack. i see it as a higher possibility and it's why we were continuously asking for jets, for additional weaponry, so we'll be able to fight him back because right now, he's just coming on to our cities and bombarding them and destroying people's lives, destroying the country. and we need to be able to contradict him. we are doing it very well on the ground. we are fighting him very well. we are giving him a good fight and we will be standing up to his army and continue doing so, but we do need help in the air. we continuously do need help in the air. because this is our way to survive. this is our

chernobyl being the rubric. >> you're focussed on that that was 1986. >> here is chernobyl, on april 26th, the dow was -- >> really? >> but dow jones was at 1,841. it fell to 1758. almost immediately 4% decline during that period, all of my clients at goldman were shorting brent stocks and milk and sweden because of the course of the radiation. and they ended up being down big because may 28th the market was up. >> okay. thankfully when it comes to this ukraine nuclear plant, there was no radiation. >> yeah. and some made this point last night. they're not building plants the way they built chernobyl. >> yeah. >> chernobyl was faulty from the beginning. >> wait. did you see the special? >> yeah. the hbo show it was wonderful. >> amazing show. >> yeah. >> and then, yeah, the political ramifications of chernobyl in terms of gorbachev and the overall soviet something, it wasn't i appreciated until i watched it i don't know why you keep talking about chernobyl. >> here is why because the market rallied after chernobyl. it first went down 4 and then it rallied. so i'm saying that what you

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of course we can also physically come to chernobyl to see what happened. but at this stage we didn't have information that the radiation goes somewhere. is the chernobyl nuclear plant about to leak radiation? experts say it's unlikely. the chernobyl plant, which is still radioactive, lies about 100km from kyiv. its fourth reactor exploded in april 1986 during a botched safety test, the lack of electricity supplies is a problem, because electricity is needed to cool a pond into which fuel rods are stored before being transferred to more secure, dry storage. you can see the process of storing the rods in the cooled pond in this video produced by the chernobyl power plant. the fuel still produces heat as it decays, that's why it needs cooling in a pond of water. here's the energy minister again. the system in case. it has the ability to maintain for several days using the generators. let’s ability to maintain for several days using the generators.— using the generators. let's talk to a lot of rockwood, _ using the generators. let's talk to a lot of rockwo

what is russia's end game with chernobyl? or might there not be one? >> i think innen, russia has been going after nuclear facilities in ukraine, that it draws attention to what they're doing. it is easy wins for them in terms of bringing the eye of the world to them and to what they're doing in ukraine. so part of that is that assurance that people are frightened by what they're up to. on the other hand, they are also, i think, looking in some sense for a military objective. not at chernobyl, but by seizing the operational power plants as they did, they are looking for ways to perhaps shut down the electricity grid in ukraine. they get. so of their electricity from nuclear power. so i think it is a combination of goals that they have. another thing going on is they have this kind of crazy line coming out of moscow that ukraine is after radiological weapons. that they want to use nuclear waste to make dirty bombs. it is total nonsense but it is part of the story from the kremlin's perspective. >> the atomic agency said communication has been spotty in

there are mortars and hand grenades going off in the vicinity of chernobyl. so, the ukrainians, i think are taking a more realistic and practical point of view, saying that things could go wrong. and if things go wrong, then all bets are off. if you have an explosive taking place, nuclear waste will escape. >> yeah. professor, i appreciate your time. thank you so much. i spoke, by the way, the building we're in now, they also have an automated system that has now said people should seek shelter downstairs. this is one of those things that people in lviv face, given the fact there has not been a direct attack here, it's difficult to see what kind of gauge. is this just an aircraft that happened to be coming by or some reason the alarms went off usually they turn out to be nothing so far. so, people weigh the difficulty in getting down to a shelter or staying where they are. it is the middle of the night here after all. i spoke with one composer who escape frd kyiv as the assault in the capital escalates. you'll hear how he's using his gift of music here to hel