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ivey camille, welcome to democracy now! congratulations on your film. up before we talk about the film, can you talk about this fire that has exploded right now in size and if it threatens you in your community? >> yeah, so the fire started i believe tuesday we got the alert. it was rapid, within like 15 mites. there werthree ofour evacuati noticeshat came out literallin ridfire you would call 72 check and review another street evacuated because of the massive winds that we happeng. ere has bn lots ohomes an propernd a l of loss you he storiesbout famies who d a one-year-ld a all ey couldrab on tir wayut the or was the child. they have lost everything. th cmuni is iredible d helpg everyo standogethe on tsday, i was ying thelp clr bsh frolaces peciallyith elde who had hard te gettinndernea thr porche it is prty clo. it has moved a little further at the moment for about two days the sky was full of smoke. amy: your film is all about sustainability. this fire that has exploded to something like 20,000 acres fanned by high winds and fueled by the dry grass
ivey camille, welcome to democracy now! congratulations on your film. up before we talk about the film, can you talk about this fire that has exploded right now in size and if it threatens you in your community? >> yeah, so the fire started i believe tuesday we got the alert. it was rapid, within like 15 mites. there werthree ofour evacuati noticeshat came out literallin ridfire you would call 72 check and review another street evacuated because of the massive winds that we happeng. ere...
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but governor ivey was not always this way. i just want to ask you what's happening to her and the other thoughts you wanted to share. >> what's happening to her is this is where the money is. you can always follow the money. republicans across the country see that the people who are aligned with maga, marjorie taylor greene and matt gaetz and donald trump, that is the place where you raise money -- they see where the cash is and say, if i take on these crazy positions, i will access to that campaign cash. it's dangerous for democracy, but beneficial for politicians like ivey and people around the country to promote this lie. >> how weird is it to be this obsessed with the past? we sometimes reach for lyrics. neal katyal reached into the hamilton bag. i'll reach into classic seinfeld and when george is so upset with the clown at the birthday party, he's asking about bozo. the clown says i do my own clown work. i don't know about bozo. this offends george and it leads to a climax where the clown tells george off. what is your pr
but governor ivey was not always this way. i just want to ask you what's happening to her and the other thoughts you wanted to share. >> what's happening to her is this is where the money is. you can always follow the money. republicans across the country see that the people who are aligned with maga, marjorie taylor greene and matt gaetz and donald trump, that is the place where you raise money -- they see where the cash is and say, if i take on these crazy positions, i will access to...
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in terms of what govnor ivey was saying, that is the hispanic vote. but when you explain these issues, that is where they see a lot of turnaround. in terms of the one congressman i spoke to from florida, a republican, they were saying that when they are back home talking about that legislation, not saying that it is don't say gay but the fact that we want to make sure that you as parents know that kids are being taught this at a very young age from pre-k to third grade, that gets a better reception from parents. and republicans, for the most part, have been looking at a number of culture issues and turning it back to the issue of choice. yamiche: it is a strategy that has been working for them. eugene, just a couple minutes left. i want to try to split it with you and peter, but i want to come to you for a minute and talk about the strategy. i was in alabama talking to transgender children who say some of these laws are detrimental to their health. what do you make of this strategy? eugene: it is a strategy that republicans think is going to work for
in terms of what govnor ivey was saying, that is the hispanic vote. but when you explain these issues, that is where they see a lot of turnaround. in terms of the one congressman i spoke to from florida, a republican, they were saying that when they are back home talking about that legislation, not saying that it is don't say gay but the fact that we want to make sure that you as parents know that kids are being taught this at a very young age from pre-k to third grade, that gets a better...
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joining me now is glenn ivey. welcome to "the sunday show." >> thanks for having me, jonathan. >> all right. i'm asking you the same first question i ask everybody in this, in this segment. why are you running? >> you know, i'm running because so many people, not only in my district, but across the country are really struggling to survive. i mean, many of them are struggling to, you know, avoid foreclosure or eviction. many of them are struggling to pay for, you know, medical drugs that they need, prescription drugs that they need. many of them are struggling to make -- the ability to get basic necessities and they're being forced to make choices between eating and eating. i know washington can do more to help them so i'd like to go to washington and work ton their behalf. i have experience working on capitol hill and i think i can help deliver that. i worked for congressman john conyers and senator daschle. we got a lot done during that time period and i'd like to do more to help put things in place so they can l
joining me now is glenn ivey. welcome to "the sunday show." >> thanks for having me, jonathan. >> all right. i'm asking you the same first question i ask everybody in this, in this segment. why are you running? >> you know, i'm running because so many people, not only in my district, but across the country are really struggling to survive. i mean, many of them are struggling to, you know, avoid foreclosure or eviction. many of them are struggling to pay for, you...
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alabama governor kay ivey signing two bills, one that makes it illegal to teach about sexual orientation in grades k-5, the other banning transgender health care for minors. anyone who violates faces a felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison. >> this is a private journey going on between me and my family and my doctors. >> the new legislations made harvey walker -- carly walker feel like she has no -- harley walker feel like she has no choice but to speak out publicly. >> my physical outside is not who i thought i was inside. that would completely destroy me mentally and physically. >> to take away hope is to take away not just mental health, but physical health for so many innocent kids. >> alabama state rep wes allen says this about puberty blockers and hormone therapy: >> the bill does not prohibit mental health counseling, it just prohibits those powerful medications. >> while the fda hasn't approved puberty-blockers for gender-affirming care, this treatments have been used for decades and very young children but considered off-label. the law is one of at least three of its kin
alabama governor kay ivey signing two bills, one that makes it illegal to teach about sexual orientation in grades k-5, the other banning transgender health care for minors. anyone who violates faces a felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison. >> this is a private journey going on between me and my family and my doctors. >> the new legislations made harvey walker -- carly walker feel like she has no -- harley walker feel like she has no choice but to speak out publicly....
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ivey's action is part of a wave of legislation being adopted across the country in record numbers. these bills and the transphobic hate rhetoric attached to them have kobs eloquences. in just the past month, six trans women have been murdered around the country. tatyana, kenyana. ariana mitchell, and fern feather. >>> joining me now is award-winning writer and activist raquel willis. raquel, thank you for coming to "the sunday show." >> of course, thank you for having me. >> overall your reaction to these efforts around the country to target the trans community and target specifically young people who are seeking gender-affirming care. >> well, it's very disheartening. i think of my own personal journey, the journey of folks that i know. it takes so much to be brave and share your truth. and to be young and be able to do that is something that we should be championing. we should be rallying behind these young trans and non-binary youth who are saying who they are in a world that continuously tells them they shouldn't exist. >> how do these laws put their lives at risk? >> well, we
ivey's action is part of a wave of legislation being adopted across the country in record numbers. these bills and the transphobic hate rhetoric attached to them have kobs eloquences. in just the past month, six trans women have been murdered around the country. tatyana, kenyana. ariana mitchell, and fern feather. >>> joining me now is award-winning writer and activist raquel willis. raquel, thank you for coming to "the sunday show." >> of course, thank you for having...
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kay ivey signing two controversial measures. the first criminalized providing gender affirming care for trans youth under the age of 19 and makes doing so a felony punishable by ten years in prison. the other restricts classroom discussions surrounding lgbtq issues and mandates that children use the bathroom that correspondents with the gender of their birth certificate while at school. it's the latest in a wave of over 300 anti-lgbtq measures being considered by states all across the country, like inconsistent consistent, for instance, democrat governor andy beshear vetoed legislation to ban trans gender students from playing women's sports, but the governor's veto not having much of a practical impact. the gop controlled state legislature needing a simple majority to override the veto and they're expected to do so as early as this week. my next guest, catherine oakley, state legislative director of the human rights campaign, calls that alabama law the single most anti-transgender legislative package in history, and catherine o
kay ivey signing two controversial measures. the first criminalized providing gender affirming care for trans youth under the age of 19 and makes doing so a felony punishable by ten years in prison. the other restricts classroom discussions surrounding lgbtq issues and mandates that children use the bathroom that correspondents with the gender of their birth certificate while at school. it's the latest in a wave of over 300 anti-lgbtq measures being considered by states all across the country,...
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alabama governor kay ivey signing two bills. one makes it illegal to teach about sexual orientation and gender identity in grades k through 5. the other bans transgender health care for minors. anyone who violates faces a felony punishable by up to ten years in prison. >> it was just a private journey going on between me, my family and my doctors. >> reporter: the new legislation made 15-year-old harley walker to speak out. >> id stop my care physic w on the lete dr: dladinsky treats them state. >> to take away hope is to take away not just mental health but physical health for so many innocent kids. >> reporter: alabama state rep wes allen who sponsored a version of the bill says this about puberty blockers and hormone therapy. >> the bill does not 46 prohibit mental health counseling. it just prohibits those powerful medications. >> reporter: while the fda hasn't approved puberty blockers for gender affirming care, they have been used for decades in very young children but considered off label. alabama's law is one of at least
alabama governor kay ivey signing two bills. one makes it illegal to teach about sexual orientation and gender identity in grades k through 5. the other bans transgender health care for minors. anyone who violates faces a felony punishable by up to ten years in prison. >> it was just a private journey going on between me, my family and my doctors. >> reporter: the new legislation made 15-year-old harley walker to speak out. >> id stop my care physic w on the lete dr: dladinsky...
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we're not going to reach the kay ivey supporters of the world, we're not going to reach the dog whistle followers, but democrats certainly unfortunately have to take the moral high ground and figure out what are the issues to activate people. it is not really democracy. and you start to see interesting wedges when you look at polling of republican primary candidates or voters, rather, you can see these republican primary voters who don't believe that joe biden won the 2020 election also want to have like a minimum wage increase, right. a policy reform that republicans are never going to give them. that's a moment and an opportunity for democrats to try to grab some of those folks. >> you said a lot and i have a lot of follow up, i love that analysis, and i want to talk to more folks in the middle shifting to the democratic party. what that means for democratic policies. we're going to talk about that on the other side of the break. if you guys can stick around. don't go anywhere at home because this fascinating conversation continues on the other side. the smithsonian national zoo is ce
we're not going to reach the kay ivey supporters of the world, we're not going to reach the dog whistle followers, but democrats certainly unfortunately have to take the moral high ground and figure out what are the issues to activate people. it is not really democracy. and you start to see interesting wedges when you look at polling of republican primary candidates or voters, rather, you can see these republican primary voters who don't believe that joe biden won the 2020 election also want to...
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on friday governor ivey of alabama signed a law that seems -- in florida, and arizona, which bars transgender kids as well from youth force. some bars from when you talk about same-sex parenting and couples, but alabama's law goes a step further. doctors who recommend any gender-affirming interventions could themselves face up to ten years in jail. the lawmakers who sponsored the bill said he's trying to protect children from life-altering choices. >> these decisions are very, very different for children, and parents just want to help their children, but these drugs are so powerful. we want to make sure we protect their minds and their bodies. >> my colleag colleague yamicher is there. you had a governor vetoing the bill, because he worried about the kids themselves who we've seen have had higher suicide rates. >> reporter: alabama has gone further than any other state, in making it a felony to provide that care. i've talking to people on bo sides of the issues, but the families affected say it would be detrimental to these children's health. lisa walk says this is has helped her child, and i
on friday governor ivey of alabama signed a law that seems -- in florida, and arizona, which bars transgender kids as well from youth force. some bars from when you talk about same-sex parenting and couples, but alabama's law goes a step further. doctors who recommend any gender-affirming interventions could themselves face up to ten years in jail. the lawmakers who sponsored the bill said he's trying to protect children from life-altering choices. >> these decisions are very, very...
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. >> that's alabama governor kay ivey purring the stolen election frame as the big lie becomes the default for many republicans seeking relegs. it's clear the war between fact and fiction rages on. donald trump's ness mary trump the host of "the mary trump show" and founder of the democracy defense fund pact says this year's election will determine the fate of american democracy. i had a fascinating conversation with her on my new peacock show this week and wanted to share some of it with you. take a look. >> we are in a situation where the next two elections particularly i think 2022 will determine whether or not america in the future is a democracy or an autocracy. it's that serious. >> it seems like everything is so exigently pressing. i want to read the excerpt from "this will not pass" about trump's efforts to push the big lie around last year's runoffs in georgia. "trump believed he knew why conservative voters lacked enthusiasm for perdue and loeffler. he explaineds much to mitch mcconnell. brian kemp, the governor, defended the election as safe and secure even though biden won his
. >> that's alabama governor kay ivey purring the stolen election frame as the big lie becomes the default for many republicans seeking relegs. it's clear the war between fact and fiction rages on. donald trump's ness mary trump the host of "the mary trump show" and founder of the democracy defense fund pact says this year's election will determine the fate of american democracy. i had a fascinating conversation with her on my new peacock show this week and wanted to share some...
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in the next day, governor kay ivey signed the bill into law. do you think your speech may have helped bring awareness of this law to the doj and we have let them taking action? >> well, i certainly hope so. i think there's a lot of people who might discount alabama, or just say, hey, alabama's gonna do it alabama's gonna do. and i want to fervently to secure that and say, there's good, kind, hard war mean people down here. they just want to be left alone, and on the bus for their families. so the biden administration is taking an active role to the doj to prosecute and to make sure to protect these families. like i said, it's a very welcome development, absolutely. >> you made a great point in your speech. the so-called small government party is passing a law dictating medical decisions within a family. however republicans responded to that? >> well, i've had a number of conservatives across the state who have written me saying, i don't agree with you on, much but i do agree with you on this one point. so i think that this is a point that will
in the next day, governor kay ivey signed the bill into law. do you think your speech may have helped bring awareness of this law to the doj and we have let them taking action? >> well, i certainly hope so. i think there's a lot of people who might discount alabama, or just say, hey, alabama's gonna do it alabama's gonna do. and i want to fervently to secure that and say, there's good, kind, hard war mean people down here. they just want to be left alone, and on the bus for their...
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several families with transgender teams suing to overturn the law that republican governor kay ivey signed on friday. the campaign stop monday, if the good lord made you a boy at birth you are a boy. if the good lord made you a grow at birth, then you are a girl. black lives matter is explaining, sort of why it but $6 million california home using donated funds after criticizing articles about the purchase as inflammatory and speculative and same racist. bom is sorry for the distress caused by the media attention on the purchase. tonight's lightning round right there, seattle radio radio host jason rantz, always great to see you. >> good to see you. >> shannon: about this mansion black lives matter tweeted a long explanation and they want to be transparent. the creators was purchased for base for black folks to share their gift with the world and hone their craft as they see fit under the conditions that works best for them and outside systems of creative industries. i know you are working on something regarding black lives matter leadership. but what can you tell us? >> i'm looking there
several families with transgender teams suing to overturn the law that republican governor kay ivey signed on friday. the campaign stop monday, if the good lord made you a boy at birth you are a boy. if the good lord made you a grow at birth, then you are a girl. black lives matter is explaining, sort of why it but $6 million california home using donated funds after criticizing articles about the purchase as inflammatory and speculative and same racist. bom is sorry for the distress caused by...
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i had ivey's terrible dreams and i can't deal with the stress. it's making me act out in my life. i feel out of control. i'm good. a dream of myself as being in control. when i did, i'm not sure about what i'm supposed to do. practically speaking before i go to bed. yeah. she >> so this it can be different for everybody, right? but the basic idea is to just call for healing. it can come in different ways to come in and symbolic you for example, you could notice that plans your favorite plant in your room is dying and you can that country due to wake up in the dream because you remember, you just watered it and came in. he lets us in dealing energy. and since all the elements of our game, our ourselves, this is our subconscious mind. this is a gateway into our subconscious. mind. you're basically healing yourself. so that's like a symbolic and this is a the ideas. it it allows us to influence to the natural healing powers of our brain. and you found this with psychiatry with. >> brain tumor research, pdf cans, pediatric cancer items. you actually and got into the science of this is
i had ivey's terrible dreams and i can't deal with the stress. it's making me act out in my life. i feel out of control. i'm good. a dream of myself as being in control. when i did, i'm not sure about what i'm supposed to do. practically speaking before i go to bed. yeah. she >> so this it can be different for everybody, right? but the basic idea is to just call for healing. it can come in different ways to come in and symbolic you for example, you could notice that plans your favorite...
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transgender kids in alabama and their families opening up to nbc news after the governor there, kay ivey, recently made it a felony to provide gender affirming care to trans and non-binary use with the penalty up to a decade behind bars. alabama is not the only state pushing these laws. we've been reporting on florida's new parental rights and education law, also known by critics as the "don't say gay" law and we've covered texas governor greg abbott ordering investigations into parents allowing gender affirming care for their kids. yamiche, you've been doing some reporting on this law in alabama in particular. tell us about it. >> well, alabama, as you noted, has gone further than any other state in making it a felony to provide gender-affirming medical care. i've talked to a number of trans teens and their families. they say this law if it goes into effect may 8th would be detrimental to their health. i want to play for you harley walker, a 15-year-old transgender girl. an activist who tried to stop this law. here's what she told me about her fear about this situation. >> this year how
transgender kids in alabama and their families opening up to nbc news after the governor there, kay ivey, recently made it a felony to provide gender affirming care to trans and non-binary use with the penalty up to a decade behind bars. alabama is not the only state pushing these laws. we've been reporting on florida's new parental rights and education law, also known by critics as the "don't say gay" law and we've covered texas governor greg abbott ordering investigations into...
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now, elsewhere on friday, alabama governor kay ivey signed a bill into law that criminalizes gender affirming care for minors, as lawmakers in oklahoma approved a near total bill on abortion, making abortion a felony pun shhable by up to ten years in prison. those bills are what count as legislative priorities for republicans just months before the midterm elections with everything else that is happening in this country and around the world. with me now, symone sanders, former chief spokesperson for vice president kamala harris, and host of a show here on msnbc. and kurt, spokesperson for the house oversight committee. it's great to have all three of you this evening. there's a wide group of voters who tune out politics during the year. they check back in right before they have to. do you think the gop is taking a gamble here by focusing so much on these messaging bills ahead of the midterms that really are not of substance in terms of what the american people need or want? >> well, it's clear that the culture wars are back in full force. i feel like i'm reliving the '90s and early 2000s wher
now, elsewhere on friday, alabama governor kay ivey signed a bill into law that criminalizes gender affirming care for minors, as lawmakers in oklahoma approved a near total bill on abortion, making abortion a felony pun shhable by up to ten years in prison. those bills are what count as legislative priorities for republicans just months before the midterm elections with everything else that is happening in this country and around the world. with me now, symone sanders, former chief...
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that legislation now goes to republican governor kay ivey for her signature. she has not indicated whether she will impact sign it now. meantime, the alabama senate today advanced a separate measure that would prohibit early classroom discussions of gender and sexual identity in early grades. coming up at 11 evidence that the black lives matter. global network foundation purchased a $6 million home using donations by the group says they did not misuse funds. record warmth today to a chance of rain this weekend or at the end of the weekend. i'll have that right after the break. at birth, though the new bill that would make a four day work week a reality here when it comes to cybersecurity, the biggest threats don't always strike the biggest targets. so help safeguard your small business with comcast business securityedge™. it's advanced security that continuously scans for threats and helps protect every connected device. on the largest, fastest, reliable network with speeds up to 10 gigs to the most small businesses. so you can be ready for what's next. get
that legislation now goes to republican governor kay ivey for her signature. she has not indicated whether she will impact sign it now. meantime, the alabama senate today advanced a separate measure that would prohibit early classroom discussions of gender and sexual identity in early grades. coming up at 11 evidence that the black lives matter. global network foundation purchased a $6 million home using donations by the group says they did not misuse funds. record warmth today to a chance of...
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brad dewine, brad little, kemp in georgia, kay ivey in alabama. they'll win all of them and i think that you're going to see pat mccrory win that senate primary in north carolina. >> what does it mean? >> what it means is that his grip on the party is diminishing and it's not just when he's on the ballot because remember back in 2018 he made a lot of endorsements in 2018 where a lot of upsets occurred because of his endorsement. one of the biggest being ron desantis in florida. >> he made ron desantis. >> well, look, i mean that's what he'd say. i'm sure governor desantis would feel differently but let's put it this way, governor desantis was double digits behind adam putnam who was the agriculture commissioner and the odds on favorite when donald trump endorsed. this is much different than the last time he wasn't on the ballot which was 2018. >> this is a battle again, the establishment of the republican party is trying to re-emerge themselves after what i call the four years of a president who is still gone mad. he is still holding people to the
brad dewine, brad little, kemp in georgia, kay ivey in alabama. they'll win all of them and i think that you're going to see pat mccrory win that senate primary in north carolina. >> what does it mean? >> what it means is that his grip on the party is diminishing and it's not just when he's on the ballot because remember back in 2018 he made a lot of endorsements in 2018 where a lot of upsets occurred because of his endorsement. one of the biggest being ron desantis in florida....
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alabama's governor kay ivey announced friday that she believes very strongly that ifli the good lord made you a boy,cy you are a boy and if he madet you a girl, you are a girl in new jersey, curriculum firstinare coming and second graders n attending public school in the garden state this fall will learn about gender identity and have lessons on body parts as part of the state's new broader sex education plan. first graders will be taughto gender identity according to a lesson plan titled purple pink and blue so that first graders can learn about gender and gender roles stereotype f while second grades will have a lesson plan titled understanding our bodiesil in which teachers will instruct students about the body parts of boys and girls have and that the objective is for second graders to be able to identify at least four body parts from female and male. and while parents are able tot opt out of these lessons, some parents have saidr that they are considering putting their kids k in private school because of this one mom telling a local newspaper that she is appalled by this curricu
alabama's governor kay ivey announced friday that she believes very strongly that ifli the good lord made you a boy,cy you are a boy and if he madet you a girl, you are a girl in new jersey, curriculum firstinare coming and second graders n attending public school in the garden state this fall will learn about gender identity and have lessons on body parts as part of the state's new broader sex education plan. first graders will be taughto gender identity according to a lesson plan titled...
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that bill now goes to republican governor kay ivey for her signature. she has not indicated whether she will sign it. on capitol hill. the debate is heating up over a trump arab border policy that's set to expire next month. it's known as title 42. it's a lot border officials to quickly deport migrants in an effort to prevent further spread of covid-19. as foxes. lauren blanchard reports efforts are underway to delay the end of title 42. lawmakers are working to prevent a new wave of migrants across the southern border bipartisan group of senators, including some moderate democrats, introducing a measure to temporarily block the biden administration's plan to end title 42. it's the pandemic related ban in place since 2020 that is allowed border officials to quickly deport migrants to slow the spread of covid-19. they're estimating over 500,000 people a month will be coming across illegally once they drop title 42 next month, the proposed legislation was pitched as an amendment to the latest covid-19 relief package. it would delay the end of title 42 for
that bill now goes to republican governor kay ivey for her signature. she has not indicated whether she will sign it. on capitol hill. the debate is heating up over a trump arab border policy that's set to expire next month. it's known as title 42. it's a lot border officials to quickly deport migrants in an effort to prevent further spread of covid-19. as foxes. lauren blanchard reports efforts are underway to delay the end of title 42. lawmakers are working to prevent a new wave of migrants...
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he's gone after four incumbent republican governors, kemp in georgia, little, dewine in ohio, ivey in alabama. i think all four will win their primaries over the course of the next six to eight weeks. i don't know that the j.d. vance one is anywhere near a layup. you've got republicans killing republican there with the club for growth who has been carrying trmp's water in georgia is now working against him with the j.d. vance endorsement, so he's kind of all over the lot, and the idea, look, i've known him for a long time, the idea that he makes these decisions based upon political analysis is sophistry. this is all emotional decisions and who speaks to him last and you saw that in the j.d. vance -- i think you saw it with the endorsement of dr. oz so these are going to land all over the place. i do think, though, when we get to june, we're going to look back and say that most of the big endorsements he made, not the ones in deep red house districts but in the big endorsements he made are going to turn out to, you know, not have been right. >> well, i like to refer to them, martha, as
he's gone after four incumbent republican governors, kemp in georgia, little, dewine in ohio, ivey in alabama. i think all four will win their primaries over the course of the next six to eight weeks. i don't know that the j.d. vance one is anywhere near a layup. you've got republicans killing republican there with the club for growth who has been carrying trmp's water in georgia is now working against him with the j.d. vance endorsement, so he's kind of all over the lot, and the idea, look,...