host of "on the issues with michele goodwin" a podcast at ms. magazine, and author of "policing the womb: invisible women and the criminalization of motherhood." we were speaking to her in boulder where she is attending the congress on world affairs. next up, we look at the growing calls for russian to be tried for war crimes in ukraine as the u.n. innocently suspends russia from the human rights council. we will look at the double standard of international no law as president biden calls putin a work criminal and the question of where he would be tried. will the u.s. and russia had not signed onto the international criminal court with us. ♪♪ [music break] amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. the united nations general assembly voted 93 to 24 to suspend russia from the u.n. human rights council on thursday. 58 nations abstained from the vote. the resolution accused russia of "gross and systematic violations and abuses of human rights" in ukraine. the vote came just days after president bid

our next guest is michelle goodwin. she's a law professor and executive committee member of the a c l. u. she joins us now from irvine, california. ms. goodwin, thank you for being with us on the day in the history of the united states. judge jackson is now the $116.00 person to ascend to the supreme court and the 1st black woman. what went through your mind as vice president conway. harris confirmed that vote yesterday. this is history in the making and it's a day to celebrate, but it's also was a day to reflect their value, been 5 women to serve on the united states supreme court. and that deserves deep reflection of what that court's history has been in the history of blocking women quite literally from becoming even lawyers and legislation of hell by the supreme court. that would want women from becoming lawyers such that the path would be in fact, such a hard road. and that in 233 years, we've had only 5 women to serve on this august body. and only 2 black people to serve on this body and she will be the 3rd in. so

our next guest is michelle goodwin. she's a law professor and executive committee member of the a c l. u and she joins us now from irvine, california. miss goodwin, thank you for being with us on the day in the history of the united states. judge jackson is now the $116.00 person to ascend to the supreme court and the 1st black woman. what went through your mind as vice president comma harris confirm that vote yesterday? this is history in the making and it's a day to celebrate, but it's also was a day to reflect their vanity been 5 women to serve on the united states supreme court. and that deserves deep reflection of what that court history has been in the history of blocking women quite literally from becoming even lawyers and legislation of how my the supreme court that would block women from becoming lawyers such that the path would be in fact, such a hard road, and that in 233 years, we've had only 5 women to serve on this august body and only 2 black people to serve on this body and she will be the 3rd in. so whi

joining us, now michele goodwin, he's a chancellor professor of law, at the university of california irvine. and glenn kirschner a former federal prosecutor in an msnbc legal analyst. professor goodwin, i'm starting with you. last night on this show, lawrence played a clip from a 2018 interview with clarence thomas. talking about how it would be impossible to be a supreme court justice without ginni thomas. i want to play another clip from that same interview, to start of our conversation. watch this. >> to be able to know that you have done what you're required to do, that you have been truthful, that you've not deceived people, that you can put your head on your pillow and sleep soundly, my grandfather always talked about the sort of piece that you had when you did what was right. and so, there is nothing that the critics can either give me or take away from me that's a value to me. they can't take away the sort of what i think about when i do, because they have no input into that. >> professor goodwin, does that sound to you like a man who cares much about the controversy as wife

joining us, now michele goodwin, he's a chancellor professor of law, at the university of california irvine. and glenn kirschner a former federal prosecutor in an msnbc legal analyst. professor goodwin, i'm starting with you. last night on this show, lawrence played a clip from a 2018 interview with clarence thomas. talking about how it would be impossible to be a supreme court justice without ginni thomas. i want to play another clip from that same interview, to start of our conversation. watch this. >> to be able to know that you have done what you're required to do, that you have been truthful, that you've not deceived people, that you can put your head on your pillow and sleep soundly, my grandfather always talked about the sort of piece that you had when you did what was right. and so, there is nothing that the critics can either give me or take away from me that's a value to me. they can't take away the sort of what i think about when i do, because they have no input into that. >> professor goodwin, does that sound to you like a man who cares much about the controversy as wife

joining us now to discuss the fight to reproductive freedom, cecilia richards is also -- michelle goodwin is the author of policing the womb, the invisible woman and the criminalization of motherhood. it's good to see you both. cecilia, i'm going to start with you, and i'm going to bring back that map for to see what's texan seeking abortions see. nearly half are traveling to oklahoma. tell me about how oklahoma's new ban is gonna put a strain on resources, not just in oklahoma, and not just in texas, but throughout the whole region. >> well, that map is pretty chilling, alicia, because it's not just oklahoma. if you look at that map, we're looking at mississippi, louisiana, arkansas, these are all states where their legislatures are making every attempt they can to make abortion much harder to get. and of course, what we've seen is in the states where there is access, to save legal abortion, they have been overwhelmed by the volume of patients coming from the state of texas. i would also point out, if you look at the states where essentially they are -- the legislatures and the governor

joining us now is michelle brasher goodwin, chancellor professional law the university of california irvine and melissa murray professor of law at new york university and an msnbc legal analyst. professor mary, first of all, your reaction to what we saw this morning in the judiciary committee's meeting on this. which then proceeded this procedural vote on the senate floor tonight where we finally got to see what's the final vote count is going to be. >> well again, i think we saw a reprise of all we saw last week which is the republicans manufacturing objections to a jurist who many of them voted to confirm just a year earlier. when i say manufacture, i mean manufacture because they really had to come up with a lot of things in order to justify not voting for judge action this time around. she's an absolutely qualified, superlatively qualified nominee and it was unfortunate that she couldn't get bipartisan support out of the committee. but she will go forward and i think it's likely she will be the next associate justice of the supreme court. so this will have a happy ending but it's

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