bitcoin is made by satoshi nakamoto, which is a pseudonym who could represent a person various people. we don't know but it's ethereum is a project where we actually know who the founders are and but it's still hard to you know, even for me like that you mapped out how it all worked the founders the theorem foundation the, you know, for-profit non-profit entities. i mean that there was some serious fact finding and investigative work there. yeah. yeah and one other thing i would say actually that i noticed in working. and i actually think that this is a trend that's been happening kind of overall. in the world is that the power centers are shifting from finance to developers to coders and so what you see happen in the founding of aetherium, is that there are these conflicts and especially in the beginning. there's a lot of conflicts between the group so sort of known as the biz guys and then the other group known as the devs and what's fascinating is the devs just prevail over and over again, and i sort of feel like that is a further reflection of how you know, previously wall street

called it cryptos greatest who done it because to my mind so the biggest mystery in crypto is who is satoshi and this was maybe the second biggest mystery but, you know creating the coin wasn't really like a crime or a theft or whatever and this was so i call this cryptos the biggest two done it. and you know i worked on this for very long time and for years. i really didn't have any leads. the main one that i had was from an investigation at that time, and i followed the lead all the way through i investigated everything i could about it. i interviewed the main suspects it was a group of people. and the way i was going to write it in the book was just here's the evidence for you know why they came under suspicion here is their response and then i was just gonna leave it and you know people could do with it what they wanted, but i wasn't gonna say anything conclusive. and when you're wrapping up a book you do what are called three final passes which are you know, things like copy editing proofreading legal and then basically the publisher will have it and they'll pass it back to you after th