swot scott perry texted on december 26th, 2020. mark, just checking in as time continues to count down. 11 duhs to 1/6 and 25 days to inauguration. we got to get going. then again, on december 26th, perry texted, mark, you should call jeff. i just got off the phone with him and he explained to me why the principal deputy won't work, especially with the fbi. they will view it as not having the authority to enforce what needs to be done. now, it is worth pointing out here, scott perry was also asked to testify before the select committee but he, too, has refused to koomt cooperate. however, unlike mark meadows, the select committee has not yet issued a subpoena to scott perry or any other republican lawmakers, for that matter. i'm melanie zanona. cn washington. >> a man that california was arrested after he allegedly sent threatening online messages to the her yam awebster cop. charged with one count of interstate communication of tlat threats to commit violence. according to a federal criminal complaint, he allegedly used the compan

republican congressman scott perry of pennsylvania, republican congressman matt gaetz of florida and louie gohmert of texas. they were all present when white house lawyers told meadows and them that this scheme involving the states that biden won, that scheme was illegal. mr. meadows nevertheless kept trying for it, even after they had all been told it was against the law. cnn reports today that one of those members, scott perry, texted white house chief of staff mark meadows just a few days after the election that the white house needed to have the nsa, the national security administration, immediately seize communications related to voting machines. he that same day texted the white house that the cia was in on some sort of anti-trump plot and the white house needed to act against the cia as well. on the heels of those revelations, tonight new york times reporter jonathan martin and alexander burns released more audio from the immediate aftermath of the january 6th attack. their forthcoming book released on tuesday of next week is apparently going to be accompanied by an absolute t

the leader at the freedom caucus of scott perry, right? he is in leadership of the freedom caucus, and he's also the one who has recently been implicated, specifically in trying to put a guy at the top of the justice department who had declared legal for the states to send fake electors to the electoral college. he's also specifically been implicated in recent days in the plan to try to get the mob to move from the ellipse physically to the capital as the votes were being counted. so, if he's going to play the powerbroker in who gets to lead the republican party. that is gonna be something. all right, much more to get to tonight, stay with us. tonight, stay with us. ays ♪ only two things are forever: love and liberty mutual customizing your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. (emu squawks) if anyone objects to this marriage, speak now or forever hold your peace. (emu squawks) (the crowd gasps) no, kevin, no! not today. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ way day, wayfair's biggest sale of

trey: scott perry is head of freedom caucus. a very competitive group, and he is also a general in military reserves, did i hear you correctly? scott perry is also saying, if this happened, you need to say who you saw do it and who invited you? >> trey, yes. i talked with scott perry, i said, he said he wanted him to name names, he wanted to meet with caw thorn. you know as well as i do, freedom caucus chair expresses frustration with one of its members that is pretty unique. here he was openly airing frustration and i was told by sources that there were some welcome the freed caucus who was talking about kim -- kicking him out of the caucus. i think that is more saber rattling. it goes to show how much these words really angered republicans within the conference, and the republicans are angry despite caw thorn blaming the left and media. trey: he could tell us who did the cocaine and who invited him to the party. olivia i'd love to have you back on, maybe we could talk about foreign policy other than the "house of cards." thank

the leader at the freedom caucus of scott perry, right? he is in leadership of the freedom caucus, and he's also the one who has recently been implicated, specifically in trying to put a guy at the top of the justice department who had declared legal for the states to send fake electors to the electoral college. he's also specifically been implicated in recent days in the plan to try to get the mob to move from the ellipse physically to the capital as the votes were being counted. so, if he's going to play the powerbroker in who gets to lead the republican party. that is gonna be something. all right, much more to get to tonight, stay with us. ( ♪♪ ) ( ♪♪ ) ( ♪♪ ) ♪ we could walk forever ♪ ( ♪♪ ) ♪ walking on ♪ ♪ walking on the moon ♪ ♪ some ♪ ♪ may say ♪ ♪ i'm wishing my days away ♪ ♪ no way ♪ ♪ walking on the moon ♪ if you're turning 65 soon or over 65 and planning to retire... now's the time to learn more about an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan from unitedhealthcare and get help p

people like chairman scott perry? he was on that call according to this testimony from miss hutchinson saying that people should be sent up to the capitol. do you need to have scott perry testify and if he won't comply with your request, maybe a subpoena is in order? what do you think? >> we haven't ruled that out. but let me say that mr. perry, like all of us, raised his right hand and swore to uphold the institu constitution and laws of our country when he became a member of congress. we all did. he's obliged legally to come in and talk to us and we could do a variety of things to try and compel but the main thing is he should come in and not try and hide the truth. we need to get to the bottom of this to protect our constitution and system of government. those that refuse to tell the truth that are trying to hide, you know, gosh, it's really not what they are required to do. so we will pursue every possible option to get to the truth, but as this filing shows, there are multiple ways to get information every time t

in fact, scott perry of pennsylvania was frantically texts meadows the day after christmas about this plot to install a loyalist in doj leadership. that is jeffrey clark. they also wanted to give jeffrey clark a deputy underneath him and i want to read for you some of those text messages which were revealed last night. mark, just checking in as time continues to countdown. 26 and 25 days until inauguration. then on december 26th. perry texted, you should call jeff. now it's worth noting here that the select committee has also asked scott perry to testify before the committee. he, too, has refused to cooperate. but unlike meadows, the select committee has not yet issued a subpoena for scott perry or any other republican lawmakers to date. jim. >> the revelations, just remarkable. thanks so much. still ahead, cnn goes to -- where russian soldiers there use them as human shields. it's a remarkable story. hear from some of the survivors firsthand. that's coming up. out here, you're more than just a landowner. you're a gardener. a landscaperer. a hunter. because you didn't settle for ordrd

. >> reporter: congressman scott perry of pennsylvania has been steadfast in pushing the big lie that the 2020 election was stolen. >> the president is going to win georgia. the president's going to win north carolina. it's all going to come down to the keystone state. >> reporter: but a new batch of text messages obtained by cnn which have not previously been reported illuminate how active he was behind the scenes as well. new messages showing he had a role in almost every turn in scheming to reverse or delay the certification of the 2020 election. on november 12th, five days after the election was called for joe biden, perry texted chief of staff mark meadows. from an intel friend, dni needs to task nsa to immediately seize and begin looking for international coms related to dominion. this text has never been revealed before and it shows perry encouraging meadows to get john ratcliffe to look into false conspiracies about dominion voting machines being hacked by the chinese. perry also claimed the, quote, brits were behind the plot and cia director gina haskell was covering for them

. >> congressman scott perry of pennsylvania has been steadfast in pushing the big lie that the 2020 election was stolen. >> the president is going to win georgia. the president is going to win north carolina. it's all going to come down to the keystone state. >> but a new batch of text messages obtained by cnn which have not previously been reported illuminate how active he was behind the scenes as well. new messages showing he had a role at almost every turn in scheming to reverse or delay the certification of the 2020 election. on november 12th, five days after the election was called for joe biden, perry texted chief of staff mark meadows. from an intel friend, dni needs to task nsa to immediately seize and begin looking for international comes related to dominion. was china malware involved? this text has never been revealed before. it shows perry encouraging meadows to get john ratcliffe, then the director of national intelligence, to look into false conspiracies about dominion voting machines being hacked by the chinese. perry also claimed the, quote, brits were behind the plo

scott perry saying, mark, you should call gentlemen. i just got off the phone with him and he explained to me why the principal deputy won't workers especially with the fbi. they will view it as not having the authority to enforce what needs to be done. >> mark meadows said i got it. i understand. let me work on the deputy position. this is a congressman of the united states urging the chief of staff to the president of the united states to replace the attorney general so they can steal an election. that now is what the republican party is known for. does it even matter if their leaders apologize to the members who promoted in a? >> i think it's a little late for apologies as they probably would be indiana is seer which is pretty clear at this point, but i think it's real important for all americans to really take note of where we are. we're finding out more and more as the january -- as the -- as the house select january 6th committee on the insurrection and the attempted coup does its work. this was obviously a coup attempt, and it's

yesterday i tried to find scott perry, i ran into him. i asked him whether or not he could provide any evidence as to why he thought this was necessary to bring to the chief of staff and also get involved with the director of national intelligence. he ignored me. to date he spoke to reporters and his argument was that he was just looking into things, and that was the responsibility of a member of congress and that if he thought there were problems with the election, he thought that was something that needed to be investigated. so that's his response to these revelations, of course it is still something that is of great interest to the january 6th select committee, and they are still considering their next steps as to what it means in bringing some of these republican members like scott perry, kevin mccarthy and others before the committee. >> ryan nobles on capitol hill, thank you very much. >>> let's go now to gop political adviser scott jennings and cnn senior political analyst nia-malika henderson. welcome to you both. scott, let's sta

. >> reporter: congressman scott perry has been steadfast in pushing the big lie of the 2020 election was stolen. >> it is all going to come down to the skeystone state. >> a new batch of evidence, he enrolled every turn in scheming to reverse or delay the certification of the 2020 election. on november 12th, five days after the election was called for joe biden, perry texted mark meadows. dni needs to task nsa to seize and look for international comms related to dominion and looking into false conspiracy of voting machines being hacked by the chinese. perry claimed the quote "britt" were behind this. he texted meadows, dni needs to be tasked to audit their overseas accounts at the cia and their national environment. perry insisted that meadows, investigate voter fraud claims. perry was the one introduced clark to trump. perry texted mark, "you should call jeff, i just got off the phone with him and he explained why the principle departuty won work especially with the fbi. meadows responded, "i got it, let me work on the deputy position." perry replied, "just sent you something on sig

you saw scott perry running away from another network's reporter yesterday on the house steps. i mean, if this is what you believe, i don't agree with you, i think it's wrong, maybe traitorist, but why can't you defend it? again, they are so weak. they're so afraid. they're so cowardly but what they want to do in private should very, very much concern all of us because if anything, they're even more emboldened by a trump base that is more and more, you know, supporting and more comfortable with violence than voting and that's what we're up against right now. >> the thing is what's interesting, republicans have shown when they do want to rebuke and police their own, they can. they've come down like a ton of bricks on little madison cawthorn. not for fantasizing hitler's bunker, not for bringing the gun into the capitol. because he said the porn thing. once he said that, it seems like a world of hurt. he's getting the leaks. the leaks are not coming from democrats. they're leaking everything they can find on this guy, even one of his -- the senators from his home state is out sav

perry as part of the plan. but, jim, it is important because one of trump's big defense has been that all that he wanted was a rally at the ellipse, a peaceful rally, but then he ad libbed that critical phrase, let's all march down to the capitol, and this is testimony that shows it was not ad libbed at all, and it is not clear, but indicates that maybe there were some plans to head on down to the cap 2capitol, and ww how that ended up. >> that is a key point, marshall, discussion to send people down to the capitol on january 6th, and in those meetings before january 6th, and then trump said that at the "stop the steal" rally. and marjorie taylor greene, whose name surfaces in the documents, and she was on the stand in georgia being asked about her actions around january 6th, and at the heart of the case is whether or not she is going to be eligible to run for re-election, and what can you tell us ant bout that? >> it is a fascinating topic, and extraordinary hearing taking place yesterday all day in downtown a

representative scott perry to mark meadows following the election peddling bizarre conspiracy theories including one that the british manipulated our voting machines and gena helped to cover it up, and i quote, need to be tasked to audit over sea accounts at cia and national endowment for democracy. what do the new texts tell you about the environment in trump's inner circle leading up to january 6th that, it's the british, it's antifa it's -- >> don you left out, italian satellites spying. >> jewish space lasers. >> i'm dead serious, though, and the chinese, and dominion voting machines. this is a level of conspiracy theory and i don't say this lightly that goes beyond the drunk uncle at thanksgiving and simply not becoming of a representative of the united states of a member of the united states house of representatives. and again, we can disagree politically. there's a marketplace of ideas in america, it's great we have two parties but this goes beyond partisan. this is silliness and craziness. you know, certainly, his constituents, this is what, you know, he's representing them and

tell us more. >> yeah, scott perry doesn't have the profile of a kevin mccarthy. but boy, oh boy, the things he is asking people to do are really extreme here. he is asking to seize voting machines. he is floating the crazy theory about dominion which has been did he bunked. ha new one i've never seen about the brits interfering. that's a new one and most damaging he is trying to get d.o.j involved. trying to skeletal jeffrey clark, the loyalist who is going to abuse and use the power of d.o.j. to lend heft to election fraud narratives. let's keep in mind, the committee seemly made a decision, they are not subpoenaing their own fellow members of congress, kevin mccarthy, jim jordan, marjorie taylor greene down the line. that's a political decision they made. . the consequence of that is we're never hearing testimony in the committee from any of these folks. and they're free to do exactly what they've done thus far which is to shrug off subpoena -- any haven't been subpoenaed, shrug op off the informal requests and go about business. that's a political decision but

that's why they want to speak to scott perry in front of the committee, but he has refused to cooperate. >> right. there's one piece of this testimony from hutchinson, the staffer to mark meadows, where she talks about perry and says that at one point, he was talking about this idea of sending people to the capitol. that people should be sent off to the capitol on january 6th. there's a lot to answer for and it just seems impossible to get any kind of cooperation from these members of congress. but let's talk about kevin mccarthy when these audio recordings were leaked, the world heard him say things that hours prior, he denied saying. how is he trying to contain the damage here? >> he was caught in a lie. let's be frank about it. he has been trying to contain the fallout. he's been working behind the scenes. he talked to trump three times now at least since thursday. he's been calling up republican members of congress. his allies have been tweeting out support for him. and he has been telling republican lawmakers that trump isn't upset with him and trump seemingly backed that up yester

kevin mccarthy, and scott perry, to get the full truth here. committee has made a political decision, we're going easy on our own. even republican and democrat, this idea of congress going easy on its own crosses party lines. >> and the committee is now saying public hearings in june. what are you watching for? >> yeah, so, i i this we're well familiar with the attacks. there is ample video footage and we've heard from michael fanon and let's get inside of the dec decision-making walls and who has wind this effort and i wab to see focus behind this and the faith lectors and the fraud that went on with the fake electors. that is part of the story. >> and the sunglasses, were in case we saw any space lasers. >> protective equipment. >> you have to be prepared. any and all options there. thank you very much. we appreciate it. coming up, president biden's new plan for midterms, a campaign built around hammering the gop, could you save democrats in the house and the senate. we've have brand new cnn reporting coming up. just likike my nonna makes whe

. >> that's right erin, just how deeply involved representative scott perry from pennsylvania was in the efforts to overturn the election leading up to january 6th, reaching out to mark meadows at the time encouraging the direct of intelligence, john radcliff to look into these conspiracy theories about voting machines suggesting the chinese or even the british could be involved in hacking these machines. we reached out to perry's office multiple times asking him to explain what he bhent in these text messages, to talk about whether he had specific evidence of voting machines being hacked and why he wanted the most powerful parts of the federal government involved in the investigation, he doesn't respond to the requests so i called him outside the capitol today and this is what happened. >> reporter: any comment on the text messages to mr. meadows? >> no. >> reporter: why not? can you explain why you were attempting to push a conspiracy theory, you have specific evidence of that? and erin, it's important to point out scott perry is getting more power here in congress, now the chair o

well, you have kevin mccarthy, scott perry deeply involved in helping trump try to steel the election. jim jordan. bennie thompson is the chairman. he says he still hopes that those and other members of congress will come in and voluntarily cooperate. >> i think there are some members who need to explain some of the information that we've found out during our investigation. as we go about our work, we have come up on significant information about a lot of people. these things with respect to some of the members need clearing up. >> is there any evidence that leader mccarthy or scott perry or jim jordan are prepared to say you're right, for the sake of history i'm going to suddenly talk? >> not only is it a slim chance they will voluntarily testify, but look at marjorie taylor greene. she was subpoenaed. she was forced to testify, and she still gave in this case a state administrative judge j she gave them nothing. what is there to show us or give us any indication that republicans even if they were required to testify, would really give the committee, give the democrats anything that

scott perry. jim jordan. house minority leader kevin mccarthy. they did get jared cushner to sit down today. but there are still some big people who were really close to the president and more specifically, close to him on the actual day of january 6. people like peter navarro and dan scavenge who were maybe the most intimately involved with some of the schemes to overthrow the results of the election who have yet to cooperate and so the committee at this point in time is really focused on trying to run as many of these loose ties down as possible before transitioning to the public phase. yamiche: and jonathan, jackie just really teed up my next question which is about jared cushner. he wasn't in the country at the time but we do know that jared cushner was such a close -- you call him a close ally but literally family, an in-law of the president, working at the white house. why is his testimony important? why is hearing from him important if he wasn't actually at the white house on january 6? jonathan: he was coming back from sawed razorback on

. >> reporter: congressman scott perry of pennsylvania has been steadfast in pushing the big lie that the 2020 election was stolen. >> the president's going to win georgia, going to win north carolina. it's all going to come down to the keystone state. >> reporter: but a new batch of text nesages, which have not previously been reported, illuminate how active he was behind the scenes as well. new messages showing he had a real in every turn in scheming to reverse or delay the 2020 election. five days after the election was called for joe biden, perry texted chief of staff, mark meadows. dni needs to task nsa to immediately seize and begin looking for international coms related to dominion. was china malware involved? this text has never been revealed before and shows perry encouraging meadows to get the then national director of intelligence to look into false conspiracy of dominion machines being hacked and he claimed the brits with were behind the plot and gina haskell was covering for are them. "dni needs to be tasked to audit their overseas accounts at cia and the national endowme

representative scott perry says consumer prices increased 8.5%. the fastest since raiders of the lost ark was a hit in 1981. and the former labor secretary says i don't know who needs to hear this but economy controlled by a handful of oligarch of a free agent market, he said. congressman from florida put together a video yesterday on inflation. here's some of that. >> there are solutions that congress and the white house could be working on together to make a difference in the lives of individuals. i'm not saying that it would fix everything. but it can make a difference and unfortunately, congress and the white house are not working on these things together. i tell people. i think the root cause, energy, energy, energy. number one, the biden administration needs to adjust their energy policies. and we can look at this in a host of different places. people use the term farm-to-table. there's no such thing really as farm-to-table. it's farm to truck to table. or if you want to get fuel in your car. it's refinery to truck to gas station or if you w

perry. it seems they want to talk to members of the house and adishlgly add some senators. now, he didn't specifically say who they want to talk to. a candidate could be senator mike lee in an exclusive report was texting with park meadows after the 2020 election, talking about ways to stand in the way of the certification of the election results. that's not the only move, he also revealed the committee is preparing for as many as eight public hearings in the month of june. some could take place at prime time. some during the day. we know they have been gearing up for these prime time hearings for some team. so the idea they are doing eight is significant news. all of this on the heels the committee is preparing to bring forward the former mayor of new york city rouge rouge to testify. they haven't settled on a date just next. of course, guiliani served as the president's lawyer. he was intimately involved in that effort to find a fake set of electtors sent to the congress that could probabl

including among them, requests from congressman kevin mccarthy, jim jordan, and scott perry. all of whom have refused previously. what consequences should sitting members of congress face for continued refusal to comply with this investigation? do you think, after two impeachments that failed to remove him from office, that these explosive revelations promised by committee members, would be enough to make republicans break ranks with trump, in the election year to come, and the election year now? >> well, esquire second question, i don't believe that these will cause many republicans to break ranks. we recognize that this is a republican party, and those individuals who are in leadership, now on the republican party both in the house and in the senate, i'm more interested in saving their seats and saving our democracy. and so their ability to see facts and the threat that president trump poses, and the actions of the president and those around him, after january 6th, and even after that, are something that they're absolutely not interested in bringing to light, or having cons

congressman thomas massey and scott perry, warren davidson, andy biggs, paul gosar and of course congresswoman marjorie taylor greene. today seven republicans and two democrats voted against a bill to ban russian oil, gas and coal and there were more than 60 house republicans that did not vote in support of a statement in favor of the nato values. what's going on? there does seem to be a number of your fellow republicans who are in, for want of a better term, some sort of putin caucus? >> i would say, jake, it is more of an isolationist attitude. while i agree with america first, it certainly is not america alone. and you see great bipartisanship throughout the house and the senate with my friend chris van hollen. of course we found ways to work together to make sure we are enabling ukraine to help them win this violent and bloody war, this invasion by russia, push back on vladimir putin. and i think that's what we need to focus on and stress to those members why this is important to america, why this is important for the stability of europe and for the world. again, america first, but certain

we know that republican congressman scott perry of pennsylvania, jim jordan of ohio, both coordinated with trump insiders to spread the big lie of election fraud. we know that jordan, also forwarded then chief of staff mark meadows advice on how to overturn biden's victory on january 6th. we just learned that senator mike lee of utah was also sending text messages to meadows on how to overturn the election. like this exchange from january the 4th, referring to the plot to get state legislators to appoint new slates of electors for donald trump. it states that he lost. senator lee writes, quote, i've been calling state legislators for hours today, and i'm going to spend hours doing the same tomorrow. we need something from state legislators to make this illegitimate, and to have any hope of winning. >> now, just think about that for a quick second. mike lee is one of 100 senators, one of two the represents the state of utah. and instead of actually doing his job, working for his utah constituents, he is texting mark meadows about how he was calling state legislators for hours trying to

. >> reporter: congressman scott perry of pennsylvania has been steadfast in pushing the big lie that the 2020 election was stolen. >> the president's going to win north carolina. all going to come down the keystone state. >> reporter: but a new batch of text messages illuminate how active he was behind the scenes as well. new messages showing he had a role at almost every turn in scheming to return or reverse the 2020 election. on november 12th, five days after the election was called for joe biden, perry texted chief of staff, mark meadows. dni needs to task nsa to looking for international calms relating to dominion. is china malware involved? and this shows perry encouraging meadows to get john rad cliff, then the director of national intelligence, to look into conspiracies of dominion plots. and that cia director was, quote, covering for them. he texted dni needs to be tasked to audit their national endowment for democracy. perry was insistent that he put doj official, jeffrey clark in a position . perry did not respond to multiple are requests from cnn to respond to our report.

a batch of text messages obtained by cnn show how congressman scott perry, a little-known republican lawmaker from pennsylvania, played a key role behind the scenes in trying to push to reverse or delay the certification of the 2020 election. now, these texts, which have not been previously reported, were among those provided by former white house chief of staff mark meadows to the house select committee investigating january 6th. and these texts show perry pushing to have the nation's top intelligence official investigate baseless conspiracy theories. for example, on november 12th, five days after the election was called for joe biden, perry texted meadows, "from an intel friend. dni needs to task nsa to immediately seize and begin looking for international coms related to dominion. was china malware involved?" so here, wolf, perry appears to be encouraging the white house chief of staff to get john ratcliffe, then the director of national intelligence, to look into false conspiracies about dominion voting machines being hacked by the chinese. also on november 12th perry texted mead

wouldn't a judge weighing subpoenas find that a subpoena for mccarthy or scott perry in a case like this would be more important than subpoenas that might not carry as much weight when the next congress comes in? >> it's long passed due for a subpoena in this case in my view and to be clear, the decision not to subpoena mccarthy is a political one that the committee's making. i agree with you. if this became a legal fight, could they enforce a subpoena? i think any judge would uphold that subpoena. why? because the statements we just heard are so crucial because that is the first and i believe the only piece of evidence that donald trump himself acknowledged that he held some responsibility and some blame for what happened on january 6th. looking at this like a prosecutor, that's an admission of guilt that goes directly to his state of mind, to his intent and kevin mccarthy as far as we know, is the only person who can give that. he would be number one on a witness list if this is a prosecution. by the way, doj must be paying attention to this as well. they can subpoena mccarthy. they sh

i now recognize representative scott perry of pennsylvania for five minutes. mr. perry: thank you, mr. chairman. thank you, secretary, for being here. is the biden state department policy regarding china a failure? secretary sherman: no. mr. perry: it's not. so i want to read a timeline. last july, you were on trip and you were handed the list of 16 -- alleged erroneous u.s. policies toward china. 10 cases that could be rectified before things could be improved. that's july of 2021. then in october, china and russia for the first time ever conducted joint naval drills in the western pacific. around japan. and then in november -- november 15, the president and xi had a virtual summit where the president tried to win support for our position vis-a-vis russia. china and russia sent bombers into japanese and south korean areas. vladimir putin and xi have met more than 30 times since 2013. i suspect you are aware that ji calls putin his best friend. subsequent to that, the department of state held a 1 1/2-hour meeting with china's ambassador where he was given u.s. int

so far the committee is asking for interviews from concurrently, jim jordan, and scott perry. we could see that there are at least 11 members of congress who were meeting regularly with the white house the plan all january six objection and potentially even the rallies and potentially much on the capitol. so, i expect some of those names to get letters next week. >> anybody on the senate side to hearing? >> well, we know -- obviously, ted cruz and josh hawley led the elections over there. we know that mike lee showed up in the mark meadows text messages. so, there are some obvious source -- obvious witnesses they want to have interviews from. and, you know, i haven't heard exactly who they sometime to. it is a little bit of the norm for congress for the house to ask questions with senators, that almost never happens. and so, would be interesting to see if they take that step. but then benny thompson the say that senators could potentially be called. >> and, let's talk about -- the concern there would run up against them in terms now. they're really gonna start these hearings r

scott perry told us today that there's nothing wrong with him asking the department of justice to look into the potential to seize these voting machines, because of foreign interference. >> again tonight, marjorie taylor greene on false news asked about these texts saying, i do not recall. >> joyce, last week, she was on the stand under oath, really fighting for the ability to stay on the ballot to run again. she didn't deny any of this, but she said she didn't remember it. does this new proof change anything in that case? >> so, if we're talking about whether or not green is susceptible of perjury charges in this georgia state proceeding, that's really not gonna happen here. to successfully prosecute perjury, you have to have a precise matchup between the question and the answer. that's something that lawyers have to do very skillfully. this wasn't a hearing that was about perjury. it was about a listening information to decide whether she could stay on the ballot? and here again, if the hearing officer, the administrative law judge and ultimately, georgia secretary of state, brad raf

this latest trove reveals the role gop congressman scott perry played in the effort to overturn the 2020 election. the text, which were provided to the january 6th committee by meadows and published by cnn appear to show congressman perry pushing to have the director of national intelligence seize dominion voting machines based on baseless conspiracy theories. on november 12th, five days after the election was called for joe biden, perry texted this from an intel friend. dni needs to ask nsa to immediately seize and begin looking for international comms remitted to dominion. congressman perry accused gina haspel of working with british intelligence to manipulate the election. texting, and gina is still running around the hill covering for the brits who helped quarterback this entire operation. okay. congressman perry is retired general with 40 years of military service. he has declined to voluntarily cooperate with the house select committee. nbc news has not been able to independently confirm the text messages but has reached out to meadows and congressman perry for comment. >>> the lif

congressman jim jordan of ohio, pennsylvania congressman scott perry, along with at least one senator. congresswoman elaine serves on the denver six committee, and she joins me now. congresswoman, the chairman broke this news yesterday in conversations with reporters. and i know you don't want to get ahead of the chairman. it's still early. but broadly, how should we be thinking about these public hearings that are upcoming? >> chris, is gone good to be back, i think people been waiting for a long time to hear the dates of the hearing. so the chairman said, starting june nine. this will be an opportunity for the committee to lay out the work that we've been doing for a year, essentially. collecting information about all the events leading up to january 6th, and that have occurred that day. it really paint the coherent picture of all the things that went into this plot, this attempted coup, this insurrection that sparked the violence. i think that it will be a great interest to understand the risks that this was a star democracy. >> meadows obviously has been fighting this committee su

then there's people like house minority leader kevin mccarthy, congressman scott perry, jim jordan. they have not replied to voluntary requests. so i think that as we move towards may, which is the date that we've been told that the committee is going to start with public hearings, they're going to see the committee trying to sort of check off the boxes with all of these remaining figures who were, in fact, closest to trump at the end of the day. but also we should note that some of the names that you haven't heard that have been conspicuously been left out of the headlines, that's notable too. there are quite a few people in trump's inner circle who have not made news for resisting or refusing to cooperate with the committee, and that's pretty notable. >> frank and jackie, thank you both. >>> up next, the u.s. economy adding 431,000 jobs in march as gas prices continue to soar near record highs. but with the white house tapping into the reserves to lower those prices, how could it impact you? we're digging into that next. >>> plus, tonight, joy reed has an exclusive interview with

quote, what investigator asked her whether representative scott perry, he's a republican of pennsylvania who is now head of the right-wing house freedom caucus supported the idea sending people to the capitol on january 6th, quote, he did, miss hutchinson testified. also in this bombshell, the filing from the committee evidence that team trump knew that the scheme to set up alternate slates of trump electors, the fake ones which reportedly took place with the support and coordination of top trump officials and some of the most senior trump campaign officials was unlawful, illegal. from the feeling, quote, the select committee now has testimony from other white house staff that meadows and certain congressmen were advised by white house counsel that efforts to generate false certificates did not comply with the law. the committee noting that, quote, despite that advice the plan moved forward. earlier today, newly revealed text obtained by cnn shed light on the specific chaos of january 6th. they showed this turn. how many of trump's closest allies who peddled the big lie pushed to overtur

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. >> scott perry nigh don't agree on much but i agree with him on this. maybe everyone agrees. just say who the guy was where the woman was that said we are going to have a, quote, sexual thing at our house, do you want to come? and who is doing a key bump? just say who it was. i think that's good, for transparency, for journalists, for the voters to make informed decisions on who they're voting for. olivia beavers, i hope this story continues develop and we can continue to cover. it thank you very much. >> thanks, chris. >> next, the incredible improbable story of one of the biggest labor winds and a generation, as an amazon warehouse in staten island votes to unionize. >> we did it! yeah! wait, wait, we've got to think amazon because they made this all possible! [laughs] with skyrizi 3 out of 4 people achieved 90% clearer skin at 4 months, after just 2 doses. skyrizi may increase your risk of infections and lower your ability to fight them. before treatment, your doctor should check you for infections and tuberculosis. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms suc

perry and jim jordan. their response was a resounding, no, but the committee is expected to reach out again by the end of this week. now, jordan for one told cnn today that if the panel does reach back out, he still does not want to cooperate. but cnn has also learned that former president trump's former personal attorney rudy giuliani is expected to appear next month. he was a central figure in trump's failed bid to overturn the 2020 election and his appearance comes as several high-profile members of trump's inner circle have voluntarily spoken with the committee including trump's daughter and former senior white house adviser ivanka trump. she was interviewed for nearly eight hours earlier this month and her husband jared kushner also met with the panel and we learned donald trump jr. is also expected to pete with the committee in the coming weeks. >> looking forward to those public hearings. paula, thank you very, very much. >>> coming up, the long wait for covid vaccines for younger children could be

meadows talked to many different conservatives, including scott perry, jim jordan, mtg, and lauren boebert about how to steal or overthrow the race. meadows handed over some info to the committee before, halting his cooperation, which is why the doj is deciding whether or not there's enough for an indictment. is there more he's hiding? what happened when he stopped cooperating? and given how much evidence that's important to the safety of the democracy as well as potential criminal trials, is in what is available, does that in any way impact how attorney general garland considers whether to indict that aide on the recipient's list of so many of those messages and going back and forth with hannity and trump junior and everyone else, do you indict him to try to get full cooperation? we're joined by a real perfect guest for this type of inner branch issue, including the considerations to the doj. the former acting attorney general for the obama administration. welcome back. what stands out to you in this real trove of evidence? >> there are so many things, ari. the first thing is sure, boy, t

perry, representative jim jordan in ohio, representative and the bigs, locals are. representative moe brooks. representative jody hice. marjorie taylor greene. louis gohmert, lauren boebert. the court documents revealed that message incident also testified that in one discussion, mr. perry endorsed the idea of encouraging supporters to marched at the capitol, and that no one on the call objected to the proposal. she made clear that the members of congress were inclined to go with white house guidance about directing a crowd to the capitol. the night before the attack on the capitol, congressman matt gates appeared on fox and talked about, quote, tens of thousands of people potentially marching in the streets in washington d.c. tomorrow. in his recent, look mark meadows claim that they had loved the line of marching of the capitol, and that he would mark watch with them. and then we will see that. caution's and contradicted that in her testimony to the january six committee. she said mr. meadows had said, in casual conversation, oh, we're gonna have this big rally. p

perry, jim jordan, they have not agreed it appear. and, of course, rudy giuliani said he's going to come in, so apparently is donald trump jr. there is a few more witnesses between now and june that we're still expected to hear. but you can expect that a lot of this is about paintingexactly w people who may not get around to reading the full report from the committee at least know what exactly what is happening. >> they'll be able to watch it in primetime, beginning june 9th. evan perez, thank you. >> sure. >>> federal prosecutors are pu against claims that the accused brooklyn subway shooter's rights were violated. one of the lawyers representing frank james says fbi agents took dna samples from him without telling his attorneys first. james is accused of shooting ten people on a subway train in brooklyn earlier this month. cnn's brynn gingras is here with the latest. what areesors saying now? >> this is all happening in court documents. what they're saying is that the fbi went to james' detainment center earlier this week and took d

gop lawmakers who attended meetings in person or on the phone included the pennsylvania congressman scott perry, the texas congressman louis glimmered, the ohio congressman jim jordan and the florida congressman matt gates, along with numerous members of the house freedom caucus. reflecting on these revelations, politico notes that members traded theories about ways to push then vice president mike pence to single-handedly stop biden's election. they parried with the white house counsel's office on the boundaries of the law, regarding per presidential electors. they met directly with pence's staff to encourage him to take direct action on january 6th, when congress convened to count electoral votes, and quote. this new evidence actually ties into with the maryland congressman and committee member jamie raskin told me on friday. you'll remember, when the ex presidents maga mob attacked the capitol, chance of hang mike pence could be heard as rioters ransacked of the buildings and pence had to be evacuated to a safer location. well, congressman raskin says that he believes donald trump was

perry, the chairman of the ultra conservative house freedom caucus said he plans to speak to the north carolina republican one-on-one about the incendiary comment perry further indicated that cawthorn should identify the individuals he alleges engaged in that behavior i think it is important if you're going to say something like that, to name some names. oh, please don't name names, because all those names go with faces we know. [ laughter ] but this is truly an amazing turn in the evolution of the republican party they whipped up their base into believing crazy [ bleep ]. that base then elected a bunch of crazy people who believe that crazy [ bleep ], and now those crazy people are accusing their fellow republicans of engaging in wild, drug-fueled sex parties. this whole group of pro-trump toadies is just so weird and loathsome, like texas senator ted cruz, for example, who, i'm gonna go out on a limb here, wasn't invited to the orgy [ laughter ] "well, it's just frustrating, because we're always getting our dates mixed up." [ laughter ] cruz claimed the other day that a mysterious ca