. ♪ ♪ >> vladimir putin is about to chair a meeting of the russian security council... >> vladimir putin will address his security council at a special session... >> narrator: it was three days before vladimir putin ordered the invasion of ukraine. >> (speaking russian) >> you have him striding his sort of cocky walk and sitting by himself. and his advisers, they're literally sitting, like, 30 feet away from putin. >> they're sitting in an array like schoolchildren. this looked more like something you would see in a royal court than you would see in a modern government. >> (speaking russian) >> it was unhinged. having his national security team, one by one, press him to invade ukraine. >> (speaking russian) >> they went up there and dutifully said what the master wanted them to say. >> (speaking russian) >> i think back to that security council meeting, and i realize how scared they must all be of him. it just felt like they were dancing bears performing for their master who is impossible to please. >> what was especially weird and creepy was the way he dressed down the head of his forei

when it comes to vladimir putin. two days before, vladimir putin's invasion of ukraine. when he publicly obtained encouragement and the authorization for an invasion in a truly foolish procedure that was televised, donald trump said, quote, there was a television screen, and i said, this is genius. putin declares a big portion of ukraine, of ukraine. putin declares it as independent. oh, that's wonderful. so putin is now saying, it's independent, a large section of ukraine. i said, how smart is that? it is the next day, in response to criticism of the putin genius comment, donald trump said this -- >> trump said, putin is smart! i mean he's taking over a country for $2 worth of sanctions. i'd say that's pretty smart. he's taking over a country, literally a vast, vast location. a great piece of land with a lot of people and just walking right in. >> today, vladimir putin admitted that the sanctions are hurting russia saying, quote, the most urgent problem here is the disruption of export logistics but donald trump thought that it was worth $2 worth of sanctions, it was $2

he called vladimir putin, a murderer. in an hour later he was arrested and he's currently in custody in russia, in the custody of, of killers. and so when you talk about good russians and bad russians, there's a lot of bad russians in vladimir putin, some government. but we have to distinguish between effectively and occupied country occupied by criminals murderers. and then the people like bladder, mere cara moors, are they the heroes? and there's alexis of all me, who's currently in prison after they tried to kill him. and worse, never saw was no longer with us and, and many, many others. and so the russian people are uniformly in any way supporting this murderous war. there's, there's a lot of people who really, really don't want it. and, and the ones who are, are speaking out, are so brave because you're not allowed to say you don't want war. you know, even allowed to call it a war or you go to jail for 15 years, just calling it a war. and so it's a very fraught situation, but we have to understand that blended repute

russian president vladimir putin.— been meeting the russian president vladimir putin. i came to moscow as a messenger — vladimir putin. i came to moscow as a messenger of— vladimir putin. i came to moscow as a messenger of peace. _ vladimir putin. i came to moscow as a messenger of peace. my _ vladimir putin. i came to moscow as| a messenger of peace. my objectives and my agenda is strictly linked to saving lives and reducing suffering. tonight, we report from a village on one of the full lines of the war close to the border between ukraine, russia and belarus. also on tonight programme, the former radio i russia and belarus. also on tonight programme, the former radioi dj facing multiple allegations of sexual misconduct. seven women have accused tim westwood of predatory and unwanted sexual behaviour, abusing his position in the music business. he denies the allegations. he kept putting his hand on my leg and stroking my leg and touching my face. running his hands in my hair, like, what are you doing? like, stop touching me. yet more trouble for p&0. european caus

vladimir putin from being able to go into other nato states, that would stop vladimir putin from being able to run across eastern and central europe, which was his dream. >> mm-hmm. >> he wanted to reconstitute the old russian empire. and donald trump knew the only way he could help him was by getting rid of nato. and here we are, again, sean hannity asking, as willie said, a second time while showing pictures of civilians with their hands bound behind them shot dead in the street. and mariupol leveled. and republicans and democrats in washington calling donald trump what he is, a war -- calling vladimir putin what he is, a war criminal, and donald trump won't even follow sean hannity's -- again, layup of a question. is this evil? wouldn't answer it. just like he wouldn't answer us seven years ago. and so many others since then on whether he was going to condemn vladimir putin for killing politicians and journalists in russia. and of course your question on helsinki, there is a through line there, this man will not criticize putin. >> it was a two-part question in helsinki that i posed

sean hannity tried again last night after for nine days of vladimir putin's war, 49 days of vladimir putin murdering now what we know to be hundreds of babies. 49 days of vladimir putin targeting hospitals, apartment buildings, trying to murder as many iranian civilians as possible. weeks after the president -- biden said he was guilty of war crimes. and in the same, wake the biden said for the first time that what is happening in ukraine's genocide, sean hannity could not get his friend donald trump to use the word evil about vladimir putin, or what vladimir putin is doing in ukraine. >> i asked you the last time you were on whether you think that this is evil in our time, do you believe this is evil in our time? >> i think in 100 years, people are gonna look back and they are going to say, how did we stand back and nato stand back which, in many ways, that calls the [inaudible] >> we did not send, back nato did not stand back, we are supplying ukraine with weapons they are using to survive. some of those weapons have appeared to have some of the most feared warship in the fleet. th

but you, you link all this to vladimir putin himself. and that's something i've never seen done before. and perhaps you can tell us why you're on his ash board. well, this is really an important story. so after surrogate magnets key was murdered, we my, my 1st priority was to get the maintenance gas past, which we've discussed. but my other priority was to figure out who got the $230000000.00 that he had expose the lead to his murder and. and we spent 10 years with, with a team of full tank full time investigators looking for that money. and as time passed, we were able to put together little bits and pieces which lead to the puzzle becoming clear. and one of the things we discovered was that the money went all over the world. you mentioned the tally a vessel, nice guy, and she was the lawyer for a, the son of a russian government official who got some of the money and then bought a whole bunch of properties in new york. we alerted the department of justice to those properties and they froze those properties and file that federal forfeit

what is driving vladimir putin? i would say emotions, i would say that what is driving him is a kind of recent mall. he has attempt to be to appear more western in the very beginning of his career. then he became um, perhaps full of resentment because he decided it's not a good way to go in russia. it's a it's a completely different idea. and what he is driven by is also i do believe that the goal to destroy ukraine just destroy it. because it has said no, the ukrainians said no, they didn't want to become a part of russia. thus, this is a war which has a goal of destroying ukraine completely. and this is not just that this is not just about the military situation, this is about the personal clash between president zelensky and putin, who who has the upper hand there at the moment or could describe the interaction for severe, i think right now in the west, there is it's hard to find a figure that's more moral and more righteous than uh vladimir zelensky. i mean, he is really he and his people have carried effectivel

they voted the way vladimir putin wanted them to vote. and, of course, no one should ever forget that at the beginning of vladimir putin's invasion of ukraine, the leader of the republican party donald trump said that the invasion was an act of genius by vladimir putin and that vladimir putin is a genius turning to our discussion now, eddie glug, chair of american studies at princeton university, an msnbc contributor professor glaad, where do you think where we stand tonight in this country as we watch what is happening in ukraine >> i think we are still struggling for the heart of our own democracy i think there are a liberal forces afoot trying to take advantage of liberal processes for a liberal ends. authoritarianism rains in large swaths of the country. we heard representative pinto talk about what's going on in texas, and texas is just one example. so, i think we're facing anti-democratic forces in a moment where the selection of normalcy has let some of us to want to look past them in order to ensure that perhaps, or to live in the

much younger than vladimir putin. she was not targeted in today's sanctions issued by the united states. one unnamed intelligence official was quoted today telling nbc news that some of what the american government is doing is designed to get inside putin's head. sanctioning vladimir putin's daughters, of whom he is so paranoid he refuses to even acknowledge their very existence is one way to get inside vladimir putin's head. russia's foreign minister sergei lavrov was caught up in the first ring of sanctions issued by the united states and one might sound like a redundant set of sanctions, his wife and daughter were sanction today. now you will recall that a month ago a person who some reported to be sergei lavrov's wife and daughter were sanctioned. i clarified at the time that they were not actually his wife or daughter. the woman sanctioned then was a woman who has in effect replaced his real wife -- his real wife and his life without him actually marrying her. it was her daughter who had become an instagram star

vladimir putin is a man who only understands strength. if you share a real hard barrier, that's the one thing he respects. >> what needs to be done? because, you know, you talk to ukrainian officials, they say sanction all russian financial institutions, embargo all russian energy. >> that's correct. every day that goes by, the aour means, for the most part, send russia, vladimir putin a billion dollars in the form of payments for oil and gas. just think about this. the war in ukraine cost a billion dollars a day. and every day the europeans send vladimir putin a billion dollars. it's pretty much break even for him. we sanctioned s.w.i.f.t., oligarchs. but that's all for naught if we send him a billion dollars a day to pay for his oil. to get this right, we need to stop giving him money totally. we're a long way away from that. this is pretty much on the backs of the europeans right now. they need to stop, particularly germany, italy, austria need to stop buying russian oil and gas. it's not easy. it will hurt their economies. but it will

shannon: and whether think the vladimir putin said provocative and accuse ukraine having attention to join nato and he said that was provocative in nature and excess for them to completely take that off of the table and they both even consider pursuing nato membership anymore and they're asked president volodymyr zelensky about that in here is their exchange. >> shorter nato, and short of article five protection, you are saying that a group of nations provided security guarantees, has president biden offered in the u.s. is one of those ccountries that. >> is hard for us to talk about nato because they don't want to admit it i think it is a mistake because if they join nato we would make that much stronger we another week state. shannon: now is that off of the table right now that i did nato membership for ukraine. >> yeah i think were the most part, the signals that we have seen from ukraine and from the volodymyr zelensky government suggests that they are willing to cease neutrality and say listen we won't join nato if the proper security is guaranteed and so that i didn't think that

we all knew that about vladimir putin. and they're getting an invasion, all trump called vladimir putin a genius. and he called invasion of ukraine and act of genius by a genius. and 40 days later, donald trump still can't find a single thing to criticize in his friend, vladimir putin. the war criminal, the oscillator. freedom of call it happened in bucha, where they estimated 300 people were killed, 8chan's side. >> the agree that it's a genocide? >> no, i think it's a war crime. >> the word genocide was first used at the end of world war ii describe hitler's policy of extermination of the entire jewish population of europe. that was hit liz ambition. he executed 6 million men, women, and children. 6 million jews. the word genocide is a combination of the word generals, meaning race, or tribe, and the line world, sighing, meeting killing. there are 44 million ukrainians in the official death count of ukrainian civilians so far in this war. and that is estimated by the united nations to be 1117 as a velocity. that is surel

an end by one of vladimir putin's missiles. ali? >> just another picture of the horrors of the war. raf, thanks as always for joining us. will of course be back with you shortly, and if there are any developments there with respect to the two secretaries, the secretary of state the secretary of defense, we're going to come right back to rafts and chives. joining me now is bill browder, the head of -- the global magnets he just his campaign which seeks to get sanctions imposed on violation abusers and corrupt governments around the world. he's the author of a brand-new one important book, the freezing order, a true story of money laundering, murder and surviving vladimir putin's wrath. which details his life as a target of russian officials since the mid 2000s. bill, good to see you. i think it's really important to mention that there are things in your book, your first book, read notice, that flew under the radar for some people. and then they read, it and it was the first time people understood what had happened in post soviet

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not vladimir putin. they used it to apply to nancy pelosi, to the peeker of the house of representatives because they disagree with some interpretations of the rules of the house. well, this is a serious moment for people who are serious about democracy in the new century. if allowed to continue, vladimir putin will spread his rampage beyond ukraine into neighboring countries in eastern europe. and then other authoritarian and autocratic leaders around the world will decide they will be able to do to their neighbors what vladimir putin was allowed to do to his neighbor. this legislation is named after what president roosevelt made happen during world war ii. the lend-lease program that without declaring war, america would come to the aid of its allies by lending and leasing military equipment. to our allies in order to secure the democratic world. and that's where we are again. so we need to stream line all of the red tape. we need to expedite the delivery of equipment to our allies in ukraine. and i hop

the first being that vladimir putin decided to invade, even though u.s. intelligence was saying it, many ukrainians didn't believe it and it came as a shock that russia did invade and russia went, not just for the east and south but decided to take over the entire country. that was the first shock. second is russia performed so badly. and the third one has been this collapse of the northern front around ceive, which is allowing ukrainian forces to push out. they're finding ordinance, artillery, land mines, rockets that russian troops fired into towns and villages that ukrainians are trying to clear. generally, residents are not going back to the villages yet. in fact, they're telling people don't come back. it's not safe yet. there's all these unexploded bombs everywhere. today we were out with local officials and they were trying to clear away debris and frankly, they have to clear away a lot of bodies. in the town we were in earlier, there were several collapsed build gsz and under the rubble had been bomb shelters full of hundreds, according to res dep

and vladimir putin's ambition to create a legacy. there's any rule, you don't change borders by force. saddam hussein learned that in 1981, vladimir putin cannot be allowed get away with this and that's where rand paul was way off base with this. >> and a prominent fox news host in the early days of the war said he was rooting for russia. back to the idea of peace talks, there's been talks in the last couple of days. they say, of course, the biden administration would love the shooting stopped as soon as possible. they recognize it's not their call to make. it's going to be what president zelenskyy wants. he'll be the one that accepts a deal when it comes in the conflict with russia. he's been clear. he doesn't want to give up any territory to russia. particularly after the atrocities we saw in places like bucha and other suburbs of kyiv. and there's a date looming, that may 9th victory day, which triumphed in world war ii, some have pegged to that would be a moment where putin would try to escalate the conflict or strike some sort o

., vladimir putin? i think for russia, clearly success _ vladimir putin? i think for russia, clearly success has _ vladimir putin? i think for russia, clearly success has been - vladimir putin? i think for russia, | clearly success has been redefined almost every day. the invasion was premised on a quick assault on the capital, removal of the zelinsky government and the installation of a puppet regime. that didn't work, so focus shifted to the donbas, extending areas held by pro—russian separatist and east and securing the land corridorfrom separatist and east and securing the land corridor from the separatist and east and securing the land corridorfrom the donbas to crimea, which russia annexed in 2014. that is why mariupol is so important. you still get glimpses of wider ambitions. we had a russian generaljust today wider ambitions. we had a russian general just today talking about seizing all of southern ukraine, creating an even longer corridor to another pro—russian separatist area, transnistria, in moldova. that would involve completely cutting u

to the be the president, she said vladimir putin. this is america, vladimir putin is butchering and killing these innocent children and women. they are killing people over in ukraine and you want him to be the president of america. america, this is outlandish. you need to look in the mirror at yourself if you want vladimir putin to be the president of america over joe biden. host: gwen, we are going to have to leave it there. nice to hear your voice. thank you for calling. a tweet from frank from new jersey a couple of days ago. tested positive for covid on april 6. thankfully i am vaccinated and double boosted. my symptoms are mild. please get vaccinated and boosted if you haven't already, to protect you and your family. next call. comes from mike in new york city and independent line. mike, good morning. caller: 50 the invasion issue. immigration must be an american, state-by-state issue. at the end of the day, there are certain states where -- host: mike, do you live in fear of being an illegal immigrant? caller: very much so. imm

i think toward vladimir putin. so unless -- >> but it is the case that trump told bolton if he got reelected he was going to pull out of nato. >> that's fine. this is all very dynamic. we are in 2022. this is a different world. i mean even idiots on cable news talking about how much they love vladimir putin and don't understand why you can't support vladimir putin can't say that anymore. it is a new dynamic world. richard, i would just say that the way the peace holds is if you can -- if you can give putin the donbas. if there's a, quote, neutrality that allows ukraine to go into the eu but obviously the united states and napt owe will be supplying them with weapons and training to make sure they can defend themselves in the future, then putin understands if there's a he is situation of the bombing, if the attacking of civilians, then we lift sanctions. how does that look? we will lift a certain sanction if you do this. we will lift another sanction if you do that, where there's incentives for the sanctions to be l

in fwas this is a failure by vladimir putin? why is he allowing this? >> that's a good qbey don't have the capacity. or is it because the ukrainians are pushing back? there is obviously a lot of assistance they're getting from the outside world. we heard assistance from elon musk. a lot of it is coming from individuals, not just governments. there have been a lot of strategic blundering by the russian government. there are lots of things they didn't expect. first of all, that the campaign is going on much longer. second, they haven't been able to decapitate the ukrainian government. they haven't taken kyiv. they're just wreaking carnage all over the place, engaging in what appear to be war crimes, but and wanton destruction and this crazy looting that you're seeing taking place. this is really, i think, raising loot of questions about this much bonded russian military that we all actually expected to perform in a much better fashion across the board. and, clearly, if the information has not been filtering up to vladimir putin, as we've been hearing from

would only give vladimir putin time to consolidate. and rearm for next time, is there pressure from zelenskyy to do that to wrap it up. >> i think there is pressure, challenge will be whatever agreement is reached, president zelenskyy already indicated needs to go to the people of ukraine in the form of a referendum. unlikely to me that public opinion in ukraine, zelenskyy is popular, anything he advocates for likely could get past a referendum, that said it is unlikely that you will see for example the people of ukraine want anything but to push russia back to continue to regain and recapture sovereign territory. and unlikely on flip side that russia and vladimir putin all aseed to any ground orland go, orland going to ukraine that would decrease the sovereign land in russia. you have both sides trying to take positions that i think come to a head, that is why an easy piece would peace is highly unlikely. shannon: one thing that putin said was accused ukraine of being contentious, was idea this would want to join nato, he said that wa

a desperate vladimir putin, an unpredictable vladimir putin, one that feels threatened by the west is one who could intentionally or not, escalate this military situation into something that nato does not want. you do not want him to feel like the west wants him removed from power, because a person who is desperate to hang onto power can do things that are dangerous. i think there is also a concern when you look at the united states, particularly, calling for regime change in russia, is that that is actually counter—productive. the people who may be organising to protest against vladimir putin do not want to be labelled as american patsies, they do not want to be seen as pawns for the american government, so i think in the state department, in particular, if you ask those folks, they would prefer that the united states just let things run its course. it is hard to see, isn't it, any way out of this war that does not end up with russia taking a larger slice of ukraine even than it has already got? can the united states live with that? you have got to remember, a lot of people in the

. _ vladimir putin. i came to moscow as a messenger of peace. my _ vladimir putin. i came to moscow as| a messenger of peace. my objectives and my agenda is strictly linked to saving lives and reducing suffering. tonight, we report from a village on one of the full lines of the war close to the border between ukraine, russia and belarus. also on tonight programme, the former radio 1 russia and belarus. also on tonight programme, the former radio1 dj facing multiple allegations of sexual misconduct.

that's something that vladimir putin is counting on. he banks on time beginning to erode that unity. but having said that, it's hard to see how this doesn't drag on for months. the shock and awe, the quick victory that the russian military expected didn't apt had. one i one of the people close to the kremlin told my colleagues that they had expected the ukrainian military to basically fold. their plan assumed that 30 to 5% of the army would switch sides. that's a massive miscalculation. that means they are not prepared for the month-long slog that they see ahead of us. they may change that too. we should be cautious about anything we're told from the kremlin. it maybe that they change their strategy and focus on what think signal and maybe that we can set until for a long frozen conflict. they have already been fighting in ukraine in the east in a more limited way for eight years. that will be tough for president biden, for americans because the interest tends to wane. moral outrage tends to fade into concern for our own pocketbooks. an

in ukraine, vladimir putin going to attack and purging rivals. we got panic over so-called ghost guns. first up though, grim news on the economy you might have heard and we all need to understand what's going on from a labor department today reporting inflation a whopping 8.5% in the last year, the steepest decline year over year since 1981. prices are up, nearly everything, fuel, food, housing all skyrocketing but you probably already know that if you're trying to eat or pay rent across the country people are feeling the pinch. >> some items have almost doubled, some are like half a price more. >> normally i would for my family but they used to be $7 and now it's 18. you put it down. kennedy: put it down your throat. today and i will president biden did not take any responsibility for the price hike. instead he once again blamed vladimir putin. >> we saw today's inflation, 70% of the increase in prices in march came putin's price hike and gasoline. we need to address this with demand. kennedy: my god. we'll have more on the blame game in a bit.

eric: do you consider vladimir putin a war criminal? do you consider vladimir putin an enemy of humanity? do you consider vladimir putin conducting crimes against humanity? >> yes. he and his generals and the top of kremlin are war criminals. and it's my personal view, i think that international tribunal should be situated not even in the hague, but in mariupol. eric: powerful words if from a member of the ukrainian parliament. she was with me yesterday here at fox news live. this is the mayor of kyiv -- this as the mayor of kyiv accuses russia of committing, in his words, genocide in his country. the world is shocked by the sickening images, the reports of ukrainians shot dead in the streets but but -- by the russian force. the images are disturbing. just north of the ukrainian capital, you're looking at dead bodies lying on the streets just showing the extent of putin's inhumanity. these people walking or bicycling or, as you can see that man or woman on the left, going about their normal lives, cut down by the russian troops apparent

mr. ukraine secret service says it's arrested, a permanent ally of vladimir putin president vladimir zalinski released these images of victor medford chak in handcuffs. he was the leader of an opposition party in ukraine and had been facing a treason charge, meditative medford, chuck as plays, was placed under house arrest last year, but escaped in february. he denies any wrong doing. and claims that putin is godfather for his daughter. was cities in western ukraine are coping with an influx of people escaping the fighting from other parts of the country. and then now preparing for a surge of new comers. should russia launch and renew it offensive in the east rubber bright reports from the western city of tad. no pill. around this provincial city lines of people waiting patiently or a common site. they wait for clothes and bedding donated by people in ukraine and from overseas. or for basic essentials medicine and food. people like ludmilla petrovna, who escaped the fighting outside cave with barely any possessions. only ultimately, equally became there's nothing at all. absolutely n

vladimir putin in what appears to be a very dark plan? if you look back trace and i was just rereading before this show the speech that vladimir putin gave on the day before the invasion on february 20 third which if you recall was quite startling, quite shocking. and he talked about what he ultimately hopes will be russia retaking its glory of the soviet era and that is now frightening to see 41 days later that he is continuing to try and achieve such goals. yeah, it is indeed grim. nice work. we will see you again here back tomorrow night. griff jenkins live for us on the ground in the western city of lviv, ukraine. grif, thank you . we should also note that red cross and fox news still working very closely together. we have raised millions of dollars for this effort. the red cross is still on the ground, still trying to help these people. we talk about bouchon. that is where the atrocities happened. but we don't know if they have also happened in mariupol because we have not been close enough to really go in and investigate. that will

looking and listening to what vladimir putin has said, he has called ukraine not a real country. he said it is controlled by little nazis, and he called you a drug-addeled thug. is he somebody you can negotiate with?[speaking foreign language][speaking through interpreter] for the president of ukraine, they cannot be just my personal view about vladimir putin and a dialect with the russian federation. i have to stand for the interests of my country, so it is difficult to say how, after all what has been done, we can have any kind of negotiations with russia. that's on the personal evel. but as a president, i have to do it. any war has to end, just end. i'm not t talking about ending this with peace, because peace, in a situation where there are thousands of people killed, is something i'm not fine with. but there is no any other way -- i'm saying as a president, there is no any other way but the dialogue if we don't want hundreds of thousands -- millions -- to die. but it is important to have an agreement between the two sides and understanding, or at least a desire to understand

and uk officials on vladimir putin. let me play for you what the white house communications director, kate benny field had to say. listen. >> we have information that putin felt misled by the russian military, which has resulted in persistent tension between putin and his military leadership. we believe that putin is being miss and foreign by his advisers, about how badly the russian military is performing, and how the russian economy is being crippled by sanctions, because his senior advisers are too afraid to tell him the truth. >> can you shed some light on what this strategy here is? why are they releasing this kind of intelligence, publicly? they were very effective in the lead up to the war, with russia's plans. is this also in that same light? >> well, i think first off, it is important to just get information out, because very little information is getting to the russian people, is even getting to vladimir putin, as she says. so putting these things out in a very public way for the united states gives them a bet

so, what can the world actually do to hold vladimir putin accountable? joining me now is owned a hot the, way professional of international law at yale law school, and founder for the center of global legal challenges. professor, thank you for being with us. is there any way to actually charge vladimir putin or anyone else in the russian chain of command with warcrimes? >> yes, probably the main way forward here is through the international criminal courts. as you mention, the international criminal court does have jurisdiction here, and that is because ukraine gave it jurisdiction started in 2013 overall the events that are happening in ukraine. and i still have jurisdiction today. and in fact, the prosecutor there national criminal court has already begun investigations supported by referrals from 41 countries. they basically said, we really support this effort. many are offering additional money and support and assistance for that investigation. so, those investigations have already begun and there is a number of steps here. there has to be evidence c

why might one think that vladimir putin would invade ukraine in 2022? because he did it once before. i mean, they took over and annexed crimea, which was part of ukraine. there is a history here, a direct history here. clearly as you say president obama didn't dodge that. every administration dating back 20 years has perhaps misjudged vladimir putin along the way and had a hand in creating an atmosphere where putin might have thought he could get away with this. has putin changed? i was speaking to fareed zakaria overnight, josh, his view is that this is a different vladimir putin now, albeit maybe with some of the same motivations he's always had, but something changed within the last few years, whether it be covid and the isolation or all the money he's awash with oil revenue. what do you think? >> i think -- i actually disagree with fareed. he came to power, he's the same putin he's always been. came to power with violence. consolidated with horrendous aggression and has always increased that aggression wherever he's able to. wherever the world allow

second, i think vladimir putin overreached. this is kind of like kids afghanistan as it was for russia. he overstretched here. and that is the good news as far as i am concerned. but three, in terms of my best guess, i do think he has changed, i think he is on a plan z. plan a come shock and awe it not work. -- shock and awe do network. that seems to be his next objective. ukrainians objective is to stop that. i think we are going to see a very conventional war in that part of the country and i cannot predict how it will end. i think it will be the biggest war in europe since world war ii. what i hope is either the ukrainians win or they fight to a stalemate. i think the stalemate is more likely. i hope that provides conditions for a piece settlement. i do not know if that is true. frm. sec. rice: it won't surprise you, i completely agree with him. let me underscore. i felt with vladimir putin for eight years. not until democracy started in places like ukraine did he became expensed -- obsessed with nato expansion. she never me

does it do anything to get under vladimir putin's skin? >> i think it probably does and it's not necessarily that he is a warm and loving father. somehow i just don't see that. it's less that he's that concerned about his daughters but does show like a mafia boss, if you are a mafia boss, if you are tony soprano, your family is a potential liability. it's something your adversaries can target and try to manipulate against you and so i think that's part of, like, a closing of the walls around putin if he begins to see that from the west, more of a psychological impact. >> on the military front the russians have now completely withdrawn from the kyiv area, from the chernihiv area, have gone back into belarus, back across the border into russia in some cases but there's still a debate about what's next and whether vladimir putin would again launch an offensive on kyiv. the u.n. secretary-general says he wants all of ukraine not just a piece of it. how do you assess when you see the changes by russia, what do you assess the reasons for them an

obviously vladimir putin's invasion of ukraine is case in point. there are plenty of other examples. it is very important. they are one in the same as security issues. this idea of countries reaching into democracies to surveill our opponents or even kidnap -- let's think about the news of a critic of the iranian regime in the case that hit the news but there was a plan to kidnap her from her home and put her in a boat and take her back to her country for the great crime of speaking out against them and criticizing them. if we want to all be free and prosperous, obviously there are folks in the u.s. who are not as interested in foreign policy as some of us in washington. if your desire is to have low weed prices, what happens in these other countries does -- low wheat prices, what happens in these other countries does matter and that goes back to what we talked about at the beginning not to impose democracy but to withstand with billions of people who are trying to live in freedom to exercise their rights and defend that in their own country. host:

do you think that vladimir putin wants him dead? >> yes, so far there have been several attempts to assassinate zelenskyy. there were certain, you know, diverse groups that went to kyiv with that goal, so this is definitely the signature and the handwriting of putin, you know. this could be expected of him. neil: so is that why you have said, mr. president, that you believe that vladimir putin is indeed capable of using chemical, even nuclear weapons, that this idea that he never would because it would be dangerous and risky for him as well, it doesn't -- it doesn't hold up, that he would do that. do you still believe he would do that, he would use those type of weapons? >> if he wins, if he receives some minor victories, you know, something in that vein, then, yeah, the possibility of him using its potential is large, a high possibility. but if he, you know, continues losing and then, in his surroundings, in his circles of lives and the government internally, you know, people will probably resist and, you know, they will try to dim

s. president joe biden accuses russian president vladimir putin of genesis. i call the genocide bite and says the kremlin is trying to wipe out the entire idea of ukrainian nationhood. meanwhile, russia vows to continue its military campaign until all its goals are met. residents of odessa fear their city is putin's next target, their pinning their hopes on over the cities vast tunnel network to help keep them survive any attack. and germany is president abandoned plans to visit the ukrainian capital as a gesture of solidarity after he's told he's not welcome ah go ahead, else as well, come to the program. you as president joe biden has said, he believes russian president vladimir putin war in ukraine, amounts to genocide by the said, put in was trying to wipe out the idea of ukrainian nation note. put in, for his part, says russia's military campaign will continue until all its goals have been met. ukraine's president vladimir zalinski says the world must act now to stop russia from committing further atrocities. russian troops on the streets of murray. you,

there's no off ramp for vladimir putin, this is his war. the irony of it is, vladimir putin's fate is intertwined with ukraine's. if ukraine stays in to fight and wins, we hope, that will have an impact on vladimir putin's future. >> neil: let's get a sense of how europe has responded to this. there's distinctions whether those are war crimes versus gen site. our president said they're war crimes. didn't take the next step to genocide. other european leaders have. regardless, i'd be curious of what you make of the fact that from germany to france, to italy, there's a call to sever all of those natural gas and oil shipments now. don't wait. austria says let's not do something crazy here that hurts us. by and large, they have pushed for ending all of these shipments like now. how likely is there and what happens? russia always seems to find a way around them. >> so this is challenging from an economic standpoint. europe has -- has to import gas and oil from somewhere and they didn't plan for this years ago. vladimir putin has been the same kg