i mean, that's precedent, right, brett kavanaugh? >> it's settled as a precedent of the supreme court. >> stephen: well, (bleep). we've got a great show are for you tonight. my guests are jose andres and ron howard. but when we come back, i'll break down the impact of the supreme court's decision with legal scholar and one of the hosts of "slate's political gabfest, emily bazelon. stick around, y'all. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ( applause ) >> stephen: hey, everybody, welcome back. give it up for jon batiste and stay human right there. ( applause ) jon, first of all, ladies and gentlemen, first of all, give a big happy birthday to mr. louis cato, right over there. happy birthday. 28? 28? something like that. ( applause ) now, jon, jon, i've been looking forward to talking to you because you know all i wanted to talk about tonight was the met gala. evie and i have been a few times. it's super fancy. did you have a good time. >> jon: i did. i liked that i made some best-dressed lists. >> stephen: i saw that. >> jon: i felt lik

a lot of attention understandably on brett kavanaugh. i want to play samuel alito's answer in 2006 to the question on precedent and ask you if this was a deliberately misleading answer. have a listen. >> do you believe it is the settled law of the land? >> roe versus wade is an important precedent of the supreme court. it was decided in 1973, so it's been on the books for a long time. it has been challenged on a number of occasions, and i think that when a decision is challenged and it is reaffirmed, that strengthens its value as stare decisis for at least two reasons. first of all, the more often a decision is reaffirmed, the more people tend to rely on it, and secondly, i think stare decisis reflects the view that there is wisdom embedded in decisions that have been made by prior justices. >> justices can change their opinions over time. caroline, as you hear that answer, was that misleading? >> yeah, you know, jim, these hearings have really devofled over time as political theater. we are taught that the judicial branch is supposed to

i mean, that's precedent, right, brett kavanaugh? >> it's settled as a precedent of the supreme court. >> stephen: well, (bleep). we've got a great show are for you tonight. my guests are jose andres and ron howard. but when we come back, i'll break down the impact of the supreme court's decision with legal scholar and one of the hosts of "slate's political gabfest, emily bazelon. stick around, y'all. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ (grandmother) thank you for taking me home. it's so far. (young woman) don't worry about it, grandma! this'll be fun. (young woman) two chocolate milkshakes, please. (grandmother) make it three. (young woman) three? (grandmother) did you get his number? (young woman) no, grandma! grandma!! (grandmother) excuse me! (young woman vo) some relationships get better with time. that's why i got a crosstrek. (avo) ninety-six percent of subaru vehicles sold in the last ten years are still on the road. (grandmother) i'm so glad you got a subaru. (young woman) i wonder who gave me the idea? (avo) love. it's what makes subar

chief justice john roberts and justice brett kavanaugh over the weekend. joining me now is the heritage foundation president, kevin roberts. kevin, thanks very much for being here. and jen psaki was asked about this. she said, look, i don't know where they protest. i don't care where they protest. it's just it has to be peaceful. your reaction. >> well, it's deplorable, maria. this is just something that stands in contrast to the biden administration calling peaceful parents at school boards domestic terrorists. if i've ever seen domestic terrorists in the last week it's certainly not parents at school board meetings but the knuckle heads at the justice's homes. justice alito had to be he removed to an undisclosed location. as i sit here with you, me, a pro lifer, i would never want my friends, associates and families doing this to the justices that support abortion. it violates safety. think of what they've had to put up for several months, intimidation and harassment by

kavanaugh when brett kavanaugh was on the d.c. court and was the dissenting opinion when an undocumented person who was incarcerated at the bothered needed an abortion, he was the person who did not want to allow her to get her legal access to abortion. there didn't have to be any digging around it. it was there in plain sight, and yet she's shocked, shocked at what she heard. i don't -- i don't even know what to say it's so appalling. >> yeah. let me play the other -- three of the other justices who are likely in this majority to overturn roe. this is gorsuch, kavanaugh and amy coney barrett. in their confirmation hearings. >> so a good judge will consider as precedent of the united states supreme court worthy as treatment of precedent like any other. >> and one of the important things to keep in mind about "roe v. wade" is that it has been reaffirmed many times over the past 45 years. >> roe is not a super precedent because calls for its overruling have never ceased because it doesn't mean that r o'should be overruled. >> let me

this is outside brett kavanaugh's house. ♪ ♪ [indistinct] >> tucker: brett kavanaugh as a supreme court justice, a man, husband, father. he lives in a normal neighborhood outside of d.c., doesn't have a wall around the house. more to the point, his two daughters are home. imagine what it must've been like inside the house if you are brett kavanaugh or his wife or his daughters. the people outside didn't care, the woman who organized that protest outside of his house lives right down the street apparently. she is a deeply unhappy individual. bringing the mob to his house for a very specific reason, because she wants brett kavanaugh to change his views and support roe v. wade. she was intimidating a federal judge. it could not be clearer. and yet she was not arrested, not even schooled it. instead she was rewarded. she got a glowing profile in "the washington post." so once again, and effect, our leaders in washington set a very clear message to the mob as they did for blm. do what you want, we are in your side. it is not like you are insurrectionist. so the mob did. look what the mob did

protesters outside the homes of chief justice john roberts and justice brett kavanaugh. and tonight, what the republican leader in the senate is now saying about a federal abortion ban next, if roe versus wade is overturned. >>> more than a dozen fires burning tonight. the red flag warn ings from nevada to oklahoma. thousands forced to evacuation. >>> grim discoveries in lake made. another body found. >>> the critical shortage tonight of baby formula. supply chain issues and the major voluntary recall. >>> and there's news coming in tonight on queen elizabeth. what she is now skipping tomorrow for the first time in nearly 60 years. and who is stepping in. >>> good evening and it's great to start another week with all of you at home. and we begin tonight with the breaking news. the dramatic capture in the nationwide manhunt for an escaped murder suspect and the former corrections officer accused of having a relationship with him and helping him escape. the two on the run for 11 days across several state, found, chased, and then captured. the murder suspect, casey white, i

she thought that when brett kavanaugh and justice -- now justice gorsuch told her that they respected precedent, that that was something she could depend upon. >> right. well, i mean, it's going to be up to what she wants to do about this. i mean, is it possible that the congress may move to do something else? it's possible. >> like impeachment? >> i don't know how she's going to vote. no, not like impeachment. no. >> okay, so what is your suggestion? >> what do you mean? what do you mean by that, victor, like impeachment? what do you mean? it's going to be up to her to decide, and again, i want to go back to the fact that if, in fact, the court rules this way -- >> up to her to decide what, senator? governor, what are you saying? up to her to decide what? >> if she wants to do something in federal law or whatever. i suppose there's going to be things that are going to be explored, options that will be explored. we're just going to have to wait and see how she acts on that. i'm not a fortune teller, victor. i can't tell you exactly what's going to happen here. what i can tell you, if

brett kavanaugh is part of this decision. this guy was investigated for like four seconds by the fbi for a credible accusation of assault. you've been one of the senators who said that it was an inadequate investigation. were these people even properly vetted for lifetime seats on the court and i mean him specifically? >> brett kavanaugh was not properly vetted and we pretty well know it. we know that the fbi was not allowed to do a proper supplemental background investigation once this charge was raised. we know that the fbi very unusually became impervious to information. it was repelling people who were trying to bring it information about brett kavanaugh, and we know that when they finally had to give in and accept information they did that through a tip line and that the tip line violated the fbi's own tip line procedures and instead of being sent for investigation was sent to the white house for presumably a decent burial, so everything about the supplemental bi into dr. ford's basic allegations was tanked by the fbi wh

protesters outside the homes of chief justice john roberts and justice brett kavanaugh. the trump nominee promised senators roe v. wade was settled precedent to get confirmed to the nation's highest court. but now that leaked draft opinion shows brett kavanaugh among five judges potentially poised to overturn that nearly 50-year precedent. it comes as new polls show 2/3 of americans want roe kept in place. those tensions playing out in protests across the country. houston, chicago, and the steps of the supreme court. >> i'm here on mother's day because everyone should have a choice whether they become a mother or not. >> reporter: and renewed attention on the state. 13 have trigger laws that would automatically restrict abortion among them, south dakota already among the most restricted states for abortion activists >> some patients i have travel 300 miles to get here. we're the closest abortion center to them we are the only one in the state. >> for some women, they already are very much living -- >> women have less rights under this law than men do. how do you justify

wade." >> i do not believe that brett kavanaugh will overturn-- >> you have obviously, full confidence. >> i do. >> and now, other things that susan collins believes. hot dogs are made with only the finest ingredients. >> i do believe. >> her childhood dog chumley is fine and living o

the particular targets are justice barrett and brett kavanaugh within five days. going to speculate that alito writing the majority opinion. it appears there is a debate happening. take us inside the court. when you read this, and put it together, what's going on? >> so i think with the leak that came this week from politico is the more extreme one, because we actually see the draft opinion, something that, to my knowledge, has never happened. so the process is, there was an oral argument in december. the justices all voted in the conference. nobody else was allowed into the conference. take a tentative vote. the seen nor most justice then assigns the opinion to himself, herself, or whomever, here it looks like it was assigned to alito and then that draft was circulated in february for comment by the other justices. it's, of course, possible that votes change, that sometimes happens but it's extremely rare. so what this decision says, and you started with stare decisis, it's so important because this draft decision says they're going to overrule roe v. wade, plann

four other conservative justices, clarence thomas, neil gorsuch, brett kavanaugh, and amy comey barrett reportedly voted in the majority. it's not clear whether roberts would have aloud the mississippe mississippi law to stand without overturning roe over whether he joined the three liberals. if the draft holds, it would represent a triumph of the antiabortion movement which has marched for life every year since the court's landmark 1973 decision that abortion was a constitutional right that states could not ban. the court in 1992 was one vote away from overturning roe. over the next 30 years, that goal was a republican campaign promise. with justice clarence thomas on record opposing roe, from george w. bush nominated alito. a decade later after the death of justice antonin scalia, then- majority leader mitch mcconnell blocked president obama from filling the seat, giving former president trump the opportunity to nominate gorsuch, and later kavanaugh and barrett. like with every other supreme court confirmation hearing since roe, all were pressed for their view. >> "roe v wade" is an i

she was willingly bamboozeled by brett kavanaugh. every one knew that brett kavanaugh and neil gorsich and amy barrett were put on the court to over turn roe v wade. some song and dance from the people in their private conversations and now she is shocked they are voting to overturn roe v wade. anyone who looked at their records going in knew this is where they were heading but she was doing mitch mcconnell's bidding when he really needed it. >> this is the supreme court abortion rights version of i'm very concerned. >> she's very concerned about there. >> the former secretary of state hillary clinton is reacting to this draft opinion. watch this and we'll talk about it. >> this opinion is dark. it is incredibly dangerous and it is not just about a woman's right to choose. it's about much more than that. any american who says i'm not a woman, this dupts affect me. i'm not black, that doesn't affect me. once you allow this kind of extreme power to take hold, you have know idea who they will come for next. >> speak to the concerns that

they unleashed the left mob on brett kavanaugh. and the american people saw this outrageous mob storming the hearings. they were storming the bottom line they reached way too far. and you saw that we had a very strong performance in 2018. and i think the american people reject this radical far left out-of-step where most americans are. because most americans believe that it shouldn't be the supreme court to that decides this it ought to be elected officials. they want the power to debate this contentious issue and it allow abortion up until the moment of delivery, that is what chuck schumer and nancy pelosi and democrats want, neil, literally. a minute away from being born the democrats would say you can have an abortion. that is chilling. that is chilling if you really look at the facts. >> neil: all right. at this particular supreme court case cover that to your point here. so, but we will be examining this very, very closely, senator danes, thank you very, very much. future gut greg gutfeld along with judge jean perino dana peri

. >> well i want to share a clip from brett kavanaugh's confirmation hearing. of course that hearing under oath. here's what he said. >> have your views on whether roe is settled precedent or could be overturned? and has your views changed since you were in the bush white house? >> senator, i've said that it is settled as a precedent of the supreme court, entitled to respect under-principles of stare decisis. and one of the important things to keep in mind about roe v. wade, is that it has been reaffirmed many times over the past 45 years as you know. and most prominently, most importantly, reaffirmed in planned parenthood versus casey in 1992. and as you well recall senator, i know that when that case came up, the supreme court did not just reaffirm it in passing, the court specifically went through all of the factors of stare decisis in considering whether to overrule it. and then in joint opinion of justice kennedy, justice o'connor and justice souter, at great length went through those factors. that was the question presented in the case. >> melissa, let's

when you say that, the idea that justice amy coney barrett or justice brett kavanaugh might be the ones to be persuadable in this context is striking for so many people across the country because the expectation during the confirmation hearings would be that these would be the two in particular who would side against the idea of upholding roe v. wade. hedge their answers to confirm their confirmation, of course, as every justice who's a nominee does. but is it a possibility that those two could be persuaded? is that what might be happening behind the scenes? >> well, let me just say this. and i don't want to raise expectations because, you know, you've got five very hard core conservatives who have been eager to reverse it. but let me just pose this possibility. i think the strongest card the chief has is the fact when they granted this case a year ago, in may, they said they were only going to look at whether the constitution prohibits any kind of ban on pre-viability abortions. and you know what that means. it would mean any kind of ban on abortions before about the 23rd week of pregn

in fact, when brett kavanaugh was asked about roe v. wade, he pointed to plan parenthood v. casey which affirmed the court holding in roe establishing a constitutional right to abortion, and he called the decision in casey precedent on precedent. a double precedent. but, madam president, let's be very clear, this draft opinion has no respect for judicial precedent. if the draft holds, all three of president trump's nominees to the supreme court, along with some others already on the bench, will have deliberately deceived and defrauded the american public. right wing ideologues set out to stack the court with justices ready and willing to overturn roe v. wade. now this right wing establishment, this machinery is on the verge of achieving their goal, even though their win will be a horrible loss for the reputation of the supreme court, a horrible loss for the integrity of our constitution, and most of all a horrible loss for the american people. madam president, more than half of the women and girls of reproductive age in our country live in states that would likely ban or sev

sot i imagine what it must have been like inside the house.t kaa if you're brett kavanaugh ornauh his wife or his daughters, the people outside didn't care. the woman who organizeds that protest outside cavanaugh's house lived right down the street. apparentlyn she's deeply unhapy individual called lacy wooten hollaway wooten hallway brought the mob to cavanaugh's house for a very specific reason not, because she was angry, which she is, but because she wants brett kavanaugh to change his views and support roe v. wade. feder she was intimidating a federal judge all the more. and once again, that's a federal crime. it could not be clearer.an and yet lacy wooten hollawayd w who bragged about organizing this was not arrested. she was even scolded insteadd she was rewarded. lacy, wooten holway got a glowing profile in then washington post. so once again, in effect, our leaders in washington sent a very clear message to the mob as they did for blm.ha do what you want. we're on your side. it's not your insurrectionist. s sot. the mob did look at the mob did to this christian counseling cent

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sparked heatprotests over the weekend, over supreme court justices john roberts and brett kavanaugh. the white house also condemned an attack on an antiabortion, which is being investigated as an arson and cbs news has are learned law enforcement officials are monitoring threats from activists on both sides of the debate. >> trying to scare fertile judges into ruling a certain way is far outside the bound of first amendment speech. >> reporter: minority leader mitch mcconnell said, a national abortion ban is possible if roe ask overturned and kristen gillibrand. >> do you take him ah at his word? >> he does the terrible things and he really has had no holds barred on this attack on women and attack on their autonomy their freedom to make these really important decisions. >> reporter: drablghts still don't have the 60 votes needed to protect abortion rights. if this vote fails, they say it will be on the ballot in november. protests are expected tonight in front of justice alito's home who leaked that judgment. nora. >>> embattled president who made reelection his top priority. esper

at the home of supreme court justice samuel alito after targeting the homes of justice brett kavanaugh and chief justice john roberts over the weekend. [chanting] >> the white house continues to face criticism for not specifically condemning in intimidation of the justice. it must be peaceful and free of violence. violence or to it attempt to intimidate which he contends is any case. senator ted cruz said the biden administration response to the mob fell short of the mark. >> it is shameful that the white house refused to condemn violent protesters threatening the families of the supreme court. it is disgraceful, and joe biden used to be chairman of the judiciary committee. joe biden knows it is disgraceful. he is literally threaten the lives of these justices by the mob they are unleashing. >> police in wisconsin are investigating the firebombing of a pro-life nonprofit where they confirm them all into cocktail ignite that fire at the office yesterday morning. the president of that pro-life organization speaking out. listen. speak with the people who perpetrated this against us, agy a

kavanaugh over the weekend. [chanting] if we don't get it -- if we don't get it -- >> brooke: the senate taking action yesterday approving a bill ramping up personal security and other protection for the supreme court justices and their families. jen psaki saying yesterday the biden administration condemns violence and vandalism, but stopped short of criticizing protests at the justices' private homes. there was violence on wisconsin when pro-life organization was fire-bombed by pro-abortion activists. the madison police chief condemning that attack. >> there is no place in madison for any type of hate speech, violence or property destruction. >> the president of wisconsin family action saying those attackers picked the wrong group. listen. >> ultimate goal is to destroy us, they want us to go away, be cowed into silence and i'm telling you right now, they picked the wrong group if that is what they want. this made it stronger, this made us bolder. we are not going to go away and be quiet. we are speaking truth

four other conservative justices, clarence thomas, neil gorsuch, brett kavanaugh and amy coney barrett reportedly voted in the majority. it is not clear whether roberts would have allowed the mississippi law to stand without overturning roe, or whether he joined the three liberals. if the draft holds, it would represent a triumph for the anti-abortion movement which has marched for life every year since the court's landmark 1973 decision that abortion was a constitutional right that states could not ban. the court in 1992 was one vote away from overturning roe. over the next 30 years, that goal was a republican campaign promise. with just clarence thomas on record opposing roe, president george w. bush nominated alito. a decade later, after the death of justice antonin scalia, then majority leader mitch mcconnell blocked president obama from filling the seat, giving former president trump the opportunity to nominate gorsuch, and later kavanaugh and barrett. like with every supreme court confirmation hearing since roe, all were pressed for their views. >> roe v. wade is an important pre

by the committee, after brett kavanaugh was publicly accused of sexual assault and then found himself defending himself in his hearing by expressing his love for beer, among other things. nbc news has confirmed that fake trump electors in georgia are cooperating with fulton county district attorney willis 's investigation of possible violations of election law by donald trump and others in georgia. trump election attorney john eastman put the criminal conspiracy in writing according to emails obtained by politico. and emails from john eastman to state legislators in pennsylvania, urging them to change the vote count in favor of donald trump, saying that, having done that math, you would be left with a significant trump lead that would bolster the argument for the legislature adopting a slate of trump electors, perfectly within your authority to do anyway. but now bolstered by the untainted popular vote. that would help provide some cover. joining us now is neil, katyal who served at the department of justice. he's an msnbc legal contributor. and if i end my email to you, neil, with th

protesters chanting outside the homes of justice brett kavanaugh and chief justice john roberts

justice clarence thomas, neil gorsuch, brett kavanaugh, and amy coney barrett joining alito. cnn reports chief justice john roberts does not want to completely overturn roe v. wade but he would vote to uphold the mississippi law that would ban abortion at 15 weeks of pregnancy. if roe is overturned, 13 states have so-called trigger laws that would make abortion illegal as soon as the court rules. they are among the more than 26 states the guttmacher institute says are likely to ban abortion soon as possible -- alabama, arizona, arkansas, florida, georgia, idaho, indiana, iowa, kentucky, louisiana, montana, michigan, mississippi, missouri, nebraska, north dakota, ohio, oklahoma, south carolina, south dakota, tennessee, texas, utah, west virginia, wisconsin, and wyoming. for more we're joined by two guests. michele goodwin is chancellor's professor at university of california, irvine and founding director of the center for biotechnology and global health policy, author of "policing the womb: invisie women and the criminalization of motheood." also with us from portland, oregon,

both women support the nomination of new york will search and sarah collins voted for brett kavanaugh as well. now susan collins today said she would be quote, it would be completely inconsistent with what justice gorsuch and justice kavanaugh said in their hearings in our meetings in our office they voted to overturn roe which i got news for you a queen to the reporting they will. no word yet on senator collins plans to do anything about it. that said, the next four parties are a bit unclear right now. we are in a very strange moment. the draft opinion is leaked, it's there, we already. we don't know what's happening behind closed doors. so what to do about it is sort of a little up in the air. today's elizabeth warren without an angry very clear of how republicans have amassed reminding this for years. >> i am angry. angry and upset and determined. the united states congress can make roe versus wade the law land, they just need to do it. >> i've never seen you so angry -- >> this is what the republicans have been working toward this day for decades. they have been out here plotting,

kavanaugh and amy coney barrett. this is just a draft. it's not been authenticated by cnn. the court has no comment. and of course, it's possible that a justice could change their mind. this draft opinion was apparently circulated back on february 10th. things may have changed since then. a justice may have changed their mind. but if this were to stand and be released in the coming weeks likely before july 1, this could be a 4-4 decision that overturns roe v. wade. and this could have immediate impact across the country, brianna. we've already seen some governors reacting over twitter. last night, we saw the democratic governor of california gavin newsom tweet this is a, our daughters, mothers, sisters, grandmothers will not be silenced. the world is about to hear their fury, california will fight back. we're going to fight like hell. and then from the republican side, kristi noem tweeted she would immediately call for a special session to save lives and guarantee that every unborn child has a right to life in south

she is the author of supreme ambition, brett kavanaugh and the conservative takeover. and ruth, it appears that the completion of the conservative takeover takes the form of this first draft of the roe v. wade overturning roe v. wade. >> this draft plus -- lawrence thank you for giving the title for the next book. i think it's going to have to be mission accomplished. because that is what we're witnessing. and i think one thing that's really important to point out. you've had so many guests say so many important things about the draft abortion ruling and when the court is heading there. but one thing that's important for your viewers to know is that it's not just abortion. this is a court that has shown that muscular willingness of this really radicalized supermajority now there are six. not five conservative justices. to transform the law simply because it has the votes. in area after area and what i would say to senator murkowski. is brace yourself, brace for self on a whole bunch of things that maybe are not as important to you as abortion but gun rights, on the abi

kavanaugh. they approved their candidacy but they were misled and statements during the hearings and in private meetings. laura: when do we find out the final ruling? reporter: we have to wait to find out how much this is a roadmap and much of this exactly comes to pass. this is typically when the supreme court releases. laura: as the u.s. braces for the ruling back of abortion rights, colombia, argentina, and mexico have expanded access to abortion in the last two years. will joins us from mexico city. is it easier to get an abortion in mexico than it is in texas? reporter: yes, in a sense it is. it is certainly harder in texas then in mexico city where abortion up to 12 weeks has been legal since 2007. there are plenty of other states that are moving in that direction. pro-choice campaigners, women's reproductive health campaigners are also able to help people obtain either abortion pills in mexico and all come to mexico city. we see the direction of legal traffic and moving in opposite direct

i don't believe that brett kavanaugh is going to overturn that roe had been reaffirmed 19 years later by planned parenthood versus casey and itt is present upon present and he said that it should be extremely rare that it be obvious turned, and it should be an example -- >> you have obviously full confidence. >> i do. >> senator susan collins to night could be wrong on two counts. she did offer this statement, if this leaked draft opinion is the final decision and this reporting is accurate, it would be completely inconsistent with what justice gorsuch and justice kavanaugh said in our meetings in my office. as chief justice roberts said, this is not the final decision and we do not know what that is norplications will be, and we do know what the fallout will be with the decision just less than six months away, and we know that paula creamer was up at the court, and what does that mean for the chief justice? >> john, the chief justice has called this leak an egregious breach of trust and he is asking for the marshall to investigate. if it turns out the theft or a hack, this is likely

this is something that brett kavanaugh said was precedent upon precedent. now, if this report is accurate, that would be precedent upon precedent would be overturned and the reality has political ramifications, not only for the court, not only for the midterms, but for basic consensuses that it existed. this is not simply going to be deinvolv devolved that people said let's take it off the culture menu. some republican senators are talking about a heart beat bill that would trying to nationalize a ban on abortion the past six weeks. this is going to inflame the culture wars, massive implica implications, a position that's unpopular. 20% of americans say they should ban abortion entirely in this country. watch out. this is going to be fuel on the fire unfortunately. >> we know what the justices, at least when they were nominees what they said during their confirmation hearings, that don't jive with what they're saying now. would this have happened without the three justices, and weigh in on what they said in the confirmation hearings as well. >> absolutely n

wade reassured their senators they wouldn't dream of doing this, remember brett kavanaugh? >> what would you say your position today is on a woman's right to choose? >> i'd say, judge -- >> as a judge. >> as a judge, it is an important precedent of the supreme court, by it, i mean roe v. wade and planned parenthood versus casey, been reaffirmed many times. casey is precedent on precedent. >> precedent on precedent. and here's knneil gorsuch. >> the supreme court of the united states has held in roe v. wade that a fetus is not a person for purple purposes of t amendment. and the book explains that. >> do you accept that? >> that's the law of the land. i accept the law of the land, senator, yes. >> even justice samuel alito who reportedly authored the draft opinion made similar noises from his 2005 hearing. >> how would you weigh that consideration on the woman's right to choose? >> it's the principle that courts in general should follow their fast precedence. >> what you're saying in a confirmation hearing isn't binding even though you're under oath because once you have the

remember how significant susan collins' position was when it came to brett kavanaugh in 2018. at that time, it was unclear whether or not he would have the votes to get confirmed. but after collins had spoken with brett kavanaugh, after she heard the testimony about allegations of sexual assault against kavanaugh, which kavanaugh denied, and after he assured her on the issue of abortion, she came out in support of kavanaugh and later joe manchin supported him as well. she said today, if the leaked draft opinion is a final decision and this reporting is accurate, it would be completely inconsistent with what justice gorsuch and justice kavanaugh said in their hearings and in our meetings in my office. and i asked her if he misled her in any way, if kavanaugh did. she did not respond to that, saying she wants to stick to her statement. she did say she wants to move on legislation to codify a right to an abortion, but there's no path for that being approved in the 50/50 senate where 60 votes are needed to overcome a filibuster and not all democrats are onboard with changing the f

. >> are you 100% certain without a doubt that brett kavanaugh will not overturn roe v. wade? >> i do not believe that brett kavanaugh will overturn -- >> presidents overturn them all the time. >> they aren't overturned all the time. he noted roe had been reaffirmed 19 years later and it was unprecedented. he said it should be extremely rare it would be overturned. >> you have obviously full confidence. >> i do. >> well, on that notion the full confidence that dana spoke to her about jonah, i mean does the public have the same kchds in the court knowing that there is certainly a disconnect what was said and now what might be joined if it's a final opinion? >> i think the public is sophisticated on this kind of thing. and the story begins here with bourke where bourke treat his confirmation hearings as if they were a graduate level seminar and spoke honestly and torpedoed his nomination. since then with nominees and republican candidates alike ruth bader ginsburg was the first to say -- this haebs capsified by the sort of opaque language that prevents having frank and full conv

and then, of course, she supported brett kavanaugh. and may be the deciding vote here on overturning roe. and she -- she teamed up with the federalist society, fund-raisers and many other ways that are pretty shocking to a lot of people in maine. and yet, she won by nine points. at the end of the day, abortion seemed to play no part in that race. what have you found about how some of these supreme court battles have played out in the past? and how do you think the ending of roe will play out in the future? >> that's such a good point, because we've had abortion battles for years and years now. we've always had roe as the fundamental sort of umbrella. and now that is actually gone. i don't know that we can take those past lessons and apply them to the upcoming elections. and so, i do think that is a really important thing to remember. we are really into new uncharted territory, that it's dangerous to make assumptions about past precedent. at the same time, we know when it comes to the issue of abortion, it's much more complicated than i

kavanaugh, and indiana's, justice coney barrett. [applause] i could not be more proud to have been vice president in the most pro-life administration in american history. we may stand on the verge of a new era in american life, an era where every life born and unborn is cherished and protected. including those three justices that our administration saw confirmed, with the help of kelly ayotte, i might add. we all know about the draft opinion. my hope and prayer is that the draft opinion of the supreme court soon becomes the majority published opinion of the supreme court and we send roe v. wade to the ash heap of history where it belongs. [applause] there are those who will say, before and after the decision is published by the court, overturning roe v. wade is somehow banning abortion. i am pro-life, i don't apologize for it. but let's be clear, overturning roe v. wade is righting an historical wrong. when it happens, will simply be returning the question of abortion to the states and the american people, where it belongs. so we st