i'm definitely outside of the caribbean, perhaps also inside of the caribbean. so if you consider the fact that we are a region of developing countries, this is no accident. this has to do with the way in which we were located as sites of extraction and systems of empire. we had everything extracted labor, human labor ought to lation, where a terminated in this process. so this is a very damaging and harmful process in which everything that we did in the region was really externally oriented toward serving empire. and we do not gain sufficient credit in the caribbean. we're having built britain so that it can be called great britain on the basis of exploitation to the point where we heard about the, you know, the queen and what the queen can do. i think she'll have mentioned what the queen can. i don't know what the queen can do for barbados, for jamaica, for even breton. what does the clean actually do? i mean, these roles are very symbolic, right? so in terms of what the british monarchy is actually doing to elevate the, the living conditions of people across

grenada's capital, st george's, is one of the most picturesque in the caribbean. the bustling harbour sits below the hillside of an old volcanic crater. the horror of life and death on the beausejour estate seemed at odds with our spectacular location. ourjourney into the past with both our guides took us next to the north of grenada, through the lush rainforest to the belmont plantation, now a popular tourist destination. but there's no escaping the past. nicole, can you tell us about these objects? yes. so these are shackles, and these would have been used on children. so little hands are expected to fit in here, and they would be sort of bound like this. yeah. and what is this, nicole? a form of torture. it's a neck collar. so if the enslaved, for whatever reason, was disobedient, this — as you see, it's padlocked — it would be opened, placed around the person's neck. and the moving of your head would have been almost... ..almost impossible. so this one would be the whip. notice, because it's plaited leather, it means that whenever you got... ..whenever you

this is the last island in the caribbean. so, when you come by boat, you follow the tide, but to leave, you have to go against the tide, so a lot of people just decide to stay here because they like it so much! a special delivery! (julie lanouette) no, the waterfront is mostly inhabited by panamanian families that kept the lot within the family. but if you make it out to the other islands around bocas, like caranero just across, or bastimentos, there are more available lots to build on. (julie lanouette) i think it's partly because the population is very diverse in bocas. the culture here isn't strictly panamanian, and there aren't too many tourists either. you quickly feel a sense of belonging here. it isn't like that anywhere else, it only happens here. (george h. weir) if you're from bocas and you're claiming to buy land, well, you're not from bocas. for a bocateranian, if i want to buy land, i just need to go to the government office and claim: "hey! i'm bocateranian and i need a piece of land to live on." people who are

the last island in the caribbean to set up a commission on reparations for slavery was in grenada in 2021. the family of a bbc correspondent were slave owners there and she has gone to the island to explore her family's fast and connepresen laura worked with the bbc's stephen greaves and others for this special report. ♪ correspondent: for over 200 years, grenada was at the heart of the transatlantic slave trade, a colony of britain and france. in the wake of the racial reckoning in the u.s., across the caribbean there are calls for colonial powers to pay reparations for slavery. members of the royal family touring jamaica were met with demands for the british government to apologize for its role in the slave trade. >> my family in england owned slaves here. and though we never set foot on the island, we profited from the sale of sugar. when slavery was abolished, we got compensation from the british government. the slaves got nothing. correspondent: it wasrotests for racial justice in the u.s. that made me want to come and understand how the past informs the present here. it was g

there was one part when i talked about john quelch when he went down to the caribbean and not the caribbean we went down off brazil during their gold rush and was plundering ships. there was a danish pirate who they met along the way one of the ships they plundered he decided he wanted to become a pirate. but they need demanded a bigger cut of the share and the other guy said forget that and they just dropped them off on an uninhabited part of the south american coast. who knows what happened to him? excellent talk excellent. thank you. so two questions actually my first how would you characterize or describe blackbeard's relationship to caesar? because he does briefly come up in the book and this is something i'm personally trying to find more out about in regard to race and slavery amongst piracy. i did not find much more than the couple of references to caesar, especially in the final battle on ocracoke island. i don't i don't think anybody's written tried to write a book about caesar. although people have tried have written books about ann bonnie mary reed, even though there's only a pa

roam the caribbean in search of spanish treasure ships to plunder. the treasure ships were full of silver and gold. that came from minds and mints in central and south america. the men's produced copious quantities of coins including gleaming gold balloons. and most importantly eight real coins. those so-called pieces of eight or spanish silver dollars. in a dinner, i was talking about the fact that after i write a book, i always try to get something that reminds me of the book. and i thought naively when i started this book that maybe i could buy a piece of eight after i was done. but once i realized the actual prices for a good piece of eight, that idea left me rather quickly. now the buccaneers favorite haunt was poured royal on the english island of jamaica. arguably the wealthiest english city in the new world by 16 80. port royals veneer of sophistication could not hide its decidedly sleazy underbelly. this was when pour oil again the well earned reputation as the sod i'm of the west indies and the wickedest city in the world. and unsavory mela

for 30 years she's brought a caribbean food culture right to our back yards. >> reporter: there's a caribbean island on the east side of oakland. >> we are a vacation away from home. >> reporter: authentic caribbean food and a cultured experience. it's coco brie's caribbean restaurant and bakery. the executive chef and owner miss anabel is from trinidad and tobago. she has been cooking since she was 12-year-old, when her mom made her go to cooking classes. she didn't want to go. >> if you from the caribbean, you don't say no to your parents. >> reporter: decades later she's none for crafting some vibrant west indian cuisines with a modern twist. >> my mom is classic. she's traditional. she's everyone's mom. >> reporter: that's marissa lyons, chef ann's daughter and the bakery manager at coco brie's. coco breeze is one local spot celebrating black restaurant week bay area to shine a light on minority businesses aiding them in building community awareness to increase their bottom lines. when you come here, it's like you're at your auntie's house, they say. some of the favorites, caribbean braze

it's cocobreeze's caribbean restaurant and bakery. the executive chef and owner miss anabel is from trinidad and tobago. she has been cooking since she was 12 years old, when her mom made her go to cooking classes. she didn't want to go. >> if you from the caribbean, you don't say no to your parents. >> reporter: decades later she's known for crafting some vibrant west indian cuisines with a modern twist. >> my mom is classic. she's traditional. she's everyone's mom. >> reporter: that's marissa lyons, chef ann's daughter and the bakery manager at cocobreeze. >> we are literally bringing the island to black restaurants. >> reporter: cocobreeze is one local spot celebrating black restaurant week bay area to shine a light on minority businesses aiding them in building community awareness to increase their bottom lines. when you come here, it's like you're at your auntie's house, they say. some of the favorites, caribbean brazed octails, curry chicken, jerk chicken and all of the vegan and gluten-free options, too. >> my favorites are the

what about your former colonizers in the caribbean state? have written to you in a former colonizers. sometimes they reply to you, sometimes they don't. they do not want to have anything to do with reparations. how do you move forward? what do you do? that's why we, yes, that's where we have to do what we're all doing in the movement globally. we are saying, yes, we are going to keep up the work public education because one way to get people to move is to ensure your populations are with you. and therefore public education is quite important. and we're also saying if everyone was been collin, as if you're living in a clinic states, you must look around you on see the impact of what europeans did. therefore you, you do have daughters within our space as well. but we are trying to mobilize woman, if you've been awesome holiday and politicians who do not believe that reparations will ever be white. they, they just don't believe it. well, i think we have mark low, was it? it was do have a carrier con. reparation. yeah, i'm commission, you have a

and the director of the center for reparation research at university of the west indies here in the caribbean. and i'm one of the vice chairs of the united nations committee on the elimination of racial discrimination. get to have you. hello esther, introduce yourself to our stream view s. hi greetings. my name is esther stanford coffee and i am a jurist consult, which is a specialist in jurisprudence, the science and philosophy of law. i'm also the co ordinates general of the stop them on to me z. we charge genocide eco side campaign and give me z is a case where healy what for african holocaust. as the soca to have him talk to you more in just a moment. but 1st i have to great in the kitchen, katie, welcome to the spring, introduce yourself track level audience. greetings, fanny. my name is nikita e t i. e r. i'm an attorney, i'm a activist, i'm an advocate and i am an arthur. i'm a founding member of cobra, the national coalition of black reparations in america. and i am in, in our world commissioner on the national african american reparation commission. so let's start with the united nat

people of the african diaspora down to the caribbean down to about 5:35. and then a significant asian from vietnam and also a big chinese population. and as soon as you get to seren and saint krue, oh, that's just rich. >> we need to discuss this. how you went from boston to the ban loo. >> first, it was boston bronx. >> boston to the bronx to the ban banlieue. this is an autobiography in the making here right now. >> yeah, it was a love story. i moved here strictly for love. and then everything happened in a whirlwind. i feel like a fish out of water. and somebody, a friend of mine calls me up. hey, i'm staying in st.-denis. come out and see me. are breath of fresh air, just like going to d.c. in the '70s. chocolate city. ♪ it's the people cooking shish kebab out and shopping carts out. it's all these different smells. i could go down one street and feel like i was in dakar. could go down another street, feel like i was in tangier. go down another street, feel like i was in casablanca. and it's that being able to voyage within a city that i love. >> so

hollywood trial watched by millions, jurors deliberate in the defamation case between pirates of the caribbean star, johnny depp. and his ex wife actress i heard ah, told me your logic boy, it's good to have you with us. investigators in ukraine say russia has committed nearly 15000 war crimes since the beginning of the war. and that the number is growing by the day. the top prosecutor is preparing to try dozens of suspected war criminals with hundreds more suspects under investigation. she says the list includes it, senior russian, military officers, hollis fissions and propaganda agents. some trials have already begun. thanks to meticulous documentation on the ground. d w. news spoke to ukraine's top. he cranes, prosecutor general, about her fight for justice 1st though we have this report and a warning that sunday was. but i am these images distressing. images that no one should have to see civilians strewn across the street in butcher. the immediate aftermath of a strike on a maternity hospital in mary. you pull a mass grave holding the unidentified bodies of fathers, mothers, brothers, si

and that's really important, because a part of why the book goes all the way down to the caribbean is it's important to understand this was all considered one region. florida is a place where you remember that, more than other parts of the country. but the caribbean and the southern united states, before all of the global powers settled on to what's belong to whom, this was all a single region and there is a lot of movement. i had a lyft driver yesterday, i have to say this, because what's drivers are part of the book. airlift driver yesterday, while trying to get here, which is a whole saga. >> from new orleans. >> from new orleans. we're talking and i said, are you from belize or honduras? he's a black man. he laughed, said i've from honduras, my grandmother was from believes. because i could hear in a speech pattern. then he tells me the story about his grandmothers from believes, she moved to savannah, as fathers of savannah and. he's in the military, he goes to onshore, as falls on top of the honduran women. and it was one of those moments where you feel like i'm vindicated with

across the americas and the caribbean, she traced their african retention's. folk tale, she is a folklorist, but she is also a keeper of culture, as it were. she is a participant observer. she is very invested in the story of her independent black town. >> the first independent black town. >> yes, thank you. she is also honorary and outspoken back and a brilliant storyteller. but, part of what i find so important about her is, for me that is the thread. what we were talking about before, in some ways, the reality of all of the multiculturalism of southern history that gets flattened into a black and white binary. she is tracking that in the 1920s and 30s. >> amazing journalist. >> amazing journalist. telling stories about race both in terms of the violence and in terms of the intimacy. >> she reads and a very contemporary way, that is pretty incredible. in fact, there was a new book unearthed that just came out pretty recently. >> yes, which was edited by my adviser from graduate school. >> skip gates worthy forward, right? >> yeah. >> you write in the nation'

across the americas and the caribbean, she traced their african retention's. folk tale, she is a folklorist, but she is also a keeper of culture, as it were. she is a participant observer. she is very invested in the story of her independent black town. >> the first independent black town. >> yes, thank you. she is also honorary and outspoken back and a brilliant storyteller. but, part of what i find so important about her is, for me that is the thread. what we were talking about before, in some ways, the reality of all of the multiculturalism of southern history that gets flattened into a black and white binary. she is tracking that in the 1920s and 30s. >> amazing journalist. >> amazing journalist. telling stories about race both in terms of the violence and in terms of the intimacy. >> she reads and a very contemporary way, that is pretty incredible. in fact, there was a new book unearthed that just came out pretty recently. >> yes, which was edited by my adviser from graduate school. >> skip gates worthy forward, right? >> yeah. >> you write in the nation'

i think that a _ disastrous caribbean tour. i think that a wider issue about decolonisation and the importance of caribbean— decolonisation and the importance of caribbean nations quite rightly asserting their own identity. it is commendable in some ways they want to be in— commendable in some ways they want to be in touch, but i want my royal family— to be in touch, but i want my royal family to _ to be in touch, but i want my royal family to be — to be in touch, but i want my royal family to be out of touch, i want them _ family to be out of touch, i want them to— family to be out of touch, i want them to live in massive castles and travel— them to live in massive castles and travel by— them to live in massive castles and travel by private jets and be surrounded by pomp and circumstance. or else, _ surrounded by pomp and circumstance. or else, what _ surrounded by pomp and circumstance. or else, what is the point of them? if or else, what is the point of them? if they— or else, what is the point of them? if th

across the americas and the caribbean, she traced their african retention's. folk tale, she is a folklorist, but she is also a keeper of culture, as it were. she is a participant observer. she is very invested in the story of her independent black town. >> the first independent black town. >> yes, thank you. she is also honorary and outspoken back and a brilliant storyteller. but, part of what i find so important about her is, for me that is the thread. what we were talking about before, in some ways, the reality of all of the multiculturalism of southern history that gets flattened into a black and white binary. she is tracking that in the 1920s and 30s. >> amazing journalist. >> amazing journalist. telling stories about race both in terms of the violence and in terms of the intimacy. >> she reads and a very contemporary way, that is pretty incredible. in fact, there was a new book unearthed that just came out pretty recently. >> yes, which was edited by my adviser from graduate school. >> skip gates worthy forward, right? >> yeah. >> you write in the nation'

how bad does the med compare to the caribbean? so the pollution in the mediterranean is far worse than in the caribbean, in part because you have 22 nations bordering a very small enclosed see, and those nations vary greatly in their ability to manage the run—off of their pollution. but probably one of the largest impact we are worried about is plastic, the plastic pollution into the mediterranean as you pointed out is horrendous. lisq mediterranean as you pointed out is horrendous.— out is horrendous. usa 22 nations surrounding i out is horrendous. usa 22 nations surrounding the i out is horrendous. usa 22 i nations surrounding the med, but the thing is of course pollution knows no geopolitical boundaries —— you say 22 nations. so who's responsibility is it for people to take action on the mediterranean sea, to fund the clean—up of it and to raise awareness of these issues as well? . , . awareness of these issues as well? ., , ., ., awareness of these issues as well? ., ., , ., well? that is a main question. if ou well?

can you speak to the importance of the caribbean to the united states and what the treasury is doing to derisk and the strategy? secretary yellen: thank you for that question, financial inclusion is a very important goal of the united states and the treasury department and we have been concerned about derisk and caribbean and other areas of the world, the united states has one of the lowest costs of sending remittancees to other countries in the world and we have seen remittancees and the data we have on the caribbean shows that there have been a significant increase in the reminutancees and latin america more generally. derisking, one is possibility of banks that have let them to cut back and following the 2009-2010 financial crisis. our rules may be a feurt contributor to derisking and to the extent that is true, the best way forward is the jurisdictions to make meaningful and publicly visible improvements a.m.l.-e.f.t. regular dpeem and will give them confidence that they are operating to mitigate risk. and treasury is is providing support in jurisdictions. ms. waters: the gentlem

the relationships between the war or military and financial power in the west so-called and in the caribbean and the links between these two spaces. in its wars in occupations against the seminals which up until that point where the most expensive wars that the us fought until the civil war and wars at the us was militaryly defeated and also against mexico the us war economy had tied together the production of arms in new england with the stabilization of slavery in texas in the deep south. by the early 1860s the war economy marked a confrontation between northern merchant capital which required a protected national market for its further growth and southern agrarian capital which required international exports to ensure its future. merchant and insurance capital based in new york city and the connecticut river valley began, the war paralyzed and divided undertaking a transition from cotton to a diversified portfolio of investments across ranching agriculture mining and industry. as you expected rapid us victory over the confederacy was thwarted by a series of battlefield catastrophes the le

jurors deliberate between pirates of the caribbean star johnny depp and his actress wife amber heard. hello. it's good to have you with a spear he of the european union has handed down its harshest measures yet to russia for his aggression with ukraine. after weeks, members of the european union have agreed to been most russian oil -- ban most russian oil by the end of the year. >> viktor orban is celebrating his 59th birthday at the eu summit here in brussels. the hungarian prime minister, however, already got his presence in the wee hours when eu leaders agreed on an embargo on russian oil, but with exemptions for hungary and others. the eu commission president still considering the watered down deal a success. >> these sanctions are fighting hard -- biting hard. >> the eu plans to cut only russian oil that is transported by sea. hungary, slovakia, and the czech republic continue to receive oil by pipeline for now. according to eu officials, in total, 90% of russian oil imports to the bloc will stop by the end of the year. >> i was positively surprised because when we went into the

florida is a place where you remember that more than other parts of the country, but the caribbean and the southern united states before all of the sort of global powers settled on to sort of who who what belonged to whom this was all a single region and there was a lot of movement. i had a lyft driver yesterday. i just have to say this quickly because lyft drivers are really important to this book and i left driver yesterday. i was trying to get here which was a whole saga but from new orleans and he says and you know, so he we're talking and i said are you from belize or honduras? he's a black man and he laughed and he said i'm from honduras. my grandmother was from belize. and i guess i could hear you know speech pattern and then he tells me this story of a fought as grandmother's from belize. she moves to savannah. his father is a savannah and he's in the military. he goes to honduras. he falls in love with the honduran woman, and it was one. it's one there's moments when you feel like i'm vindicated with a book and i was like because these movements have happened for so long we ta

and how often the event has become a mixing pot of all that that will change latin america and the caribbean giving participants a chance to showcase more about their heritage. we we want to show through is known about. >> you know, because we're i put the delicious, but will that have the difference? and millions tackled as is like this one. >> and aside from the parade for the first time, this year's festival included a cannabis garden, a tech and gaming pavilion and lgbtqi. plus dedicated stage in the mission district. camila barco kron. 4 news >> still ahead on the kron 4 morning news. why california lawmakers are pushing to make jaywalking legal. we'll be right back after the break. we

territory of puerto rico in the caribbean, where, after two hurricanes enter -- and an earthquake, many on the island still don't have power. the u.s. government will spend $10 billion rebuilding the electricity grid. many are trying to take advantage of the sunny climate and move to renewable energy. our north america business reporter is in puerto rico and sent us this special report. >> nestled in the caribbean sea is the island of puerto rico. it gets several hours of direct sunlight a day, more than enough to meet all of its energy needs. but less than 3% of the island's power comes from renewable sources. head into the mountains and stable access to power remains a luxury. people like these two just live without. they use their car battery to powee television at night. a kerosene lamp is lit. when darkness comes, mundane chores become enormous tasks. their movements may seem routine, but it belies embarrassment at what their life has become. >> [speaking foreign language] >> sometimes we are ashamed to look for help, she says. it's embarrassing. two back to back hurricanes five ye

reported as it is in this article that johnny depp is out as jack sparrow in disney's pirates of the caribbean film franchise as after battles financial issues and personal dramas. were you aware of that? >> i wasn't aware of that, but it doesn't surprise me given that 2 years have gone constant. worldwide talk about me being this wife beater. >> karina also testified that it is his belief that the exposure from the lawsuits ruined the mystique around death, which could also impact his career. >> the saga continues. that was sloane glass reporting for us tonight. >> and now kron 4 sports. >> the warriors were dancing on beale street today. the late rapper young dolph was glaring through the sound system. at practice you can hear here. there's no not words for for kids, but the dubs they were prepping for game 2 of the western conference semifinals. everyone was pretty lose at practice. that's what happens when you win game one on the road without your emotional leader and draymond green. but now the grizzlies are going to come into game 2 extremely desperate and the warriors know they'll have

some of the favorite dishes there, caribbean braised oxtail. my favorite, curry chicken, jerk chicken, and it's a family affair. the bakery manager there is chef ann's daughter. so all family recipes. >> this time, black restaurant week isn't just for brick and mortar. food trucks, dessert makers and pop-up vendors will also be featured. >> caribbean food is unlike any other. >> you had me at jerk chicken. >> so good. that's it. cbs evening news is next. fanduel and draftkings, two out of state corporations making big promises to californians. what's the real math behind their ballot measure for online sports betting? 90% of profits go to the out of state corporations permanently. only eight and a half cents is left for the homeless. and in virginia, arizona, use loopholes to pay far less than was promised. sound familiar? it should. it's another bad scheme for california. captioning sponsored by cbs >> brennan: tonight, the u.s. baby formula shortage should improve dramatically within weeks, coordination to the f.d.a. congress will take emerge

or the caribbean start 10:30 coming down to about 5:30. and then you have the significant asian from vietnam but also big cheyenne population. then as soon as you get to like seren and san clue that's just rich. >> i think we need to check back because we haven't discussed how you went from boston to the banlieue. >> well, first, it was actually boston, bronx, banlieue. >> boston, bronx, banlieue. >> it's a love story. i moved here strictly for love. and everything happened in a while wind. i feel like a fish out of water. a friend ever mine calls me up and say actually i'm staying in saint denis come see me. i remember come out of the r.e.r. stp stop and the breath of fresh air like going to d.c. in the 70s. chocolate city. ♪ people cooking shish ka bob in shopping carts. all these different smells. i could go down one street feel like i was in dakar. i could go do down another street feel like i was in tangier. go down another street feel like casa blanka it's that voinl in a city i love. >> how do you deal with going -- i'm cussing --

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hollywood trial, watched by millions, jurors deliberate in the defamation case between pirates of the caribbean star, johnny depp, and his ex wife, the actress, amber heard ah hello, i am claire richardson. it's good to have you with us. the european union has handed down it's harshest measures yet to punish russia for its aggression in ukraine. after weeks of wrangling, the 27 member states meeting in brussels have agreed to ban most imports of russian oil. by the end of the year, hungary opposed a total embargo because it relies heavily on russian supplies. some e leaders say it was the best deal they could achieve. nick to our bonus, celebrating his 59th birthday at the e is summit here in brussels. the hungarian prime minister, however, already got his presence in the wee hours when your leaders agreed on an embargo on russian oil. but with exemptions for hungary and others. each commission presidential de la funder line, still presented the war to down deal as a success. these sanctions are biting heart and are really, are destroying and that's the, the goal on the basis their financial ba

if the united states insists are not inviting cuba to this meeting, it will immediately cause 14 caribbean community countries not to attend. the absence of mexico's leader is expected to significantly undermine the stomach agenda with us mexican border migration up for discussion earlier the u. s. secret terry of states claims the governments of cuba, nicaragua, and venezuela, do not respect democracy. although now former white house press secretary gen saki, a final decision on participants is yet to be made. community workers steven sefton thinks the situation reflects the decline of u. s. influence in latin america leads to the summit of the americas some over the last couple of occasions has involved those kinds of complications. largely because the united states policy host, as everybody is well aware of for decades, applied sanctions, what they call sanctions, which are in fact illegal unilateral coercive measures against the government of cuba. and since something like 2015, i believe, i remember rightly the united states government has been applying similar sanctions against. and

whatever leftover, if it if it becomes hurricane again, it will be given in atlantic caribbean name later on and again, our season will start to least in the east it on wednesday. as you mentioned, there's a half moon bay for you. nice blue some people taking part in all the sunshine going on. winds. we do see them on shore for most of the bay. but there's a little switch here offshore up the solano county, particularly as we get into tonight and early tomorrow morning with all of the score on a little spurt there on shore winds that will be driven tomorrow afternoon by inland heat and humidity levels they fall. they fall today. nice recovery. tomorrow morning. big-time fall happens tomorrow. that's going to be the driest part. it's why they have that advisory posted until 8 o'clock nice recovery, though, when it's all said and done. but temperatures will be climbing. here's the nice treat that i want to show your watch this high pressure builds. we know that some scattered clouds on thursday. all right. go on. go on. yeah. yeah. i know some sprinkles and some marine layer get some thicke