jim baker george bush made the decision that yugoslavia was in europe. i am a supporter of the european union. very personally very strong supporter of nato. it seems to meet the europeans should've been able to do this. does not encourage decisive leadership they all have veto power the countries have veto power to stop unified decision-making and they did not do a good job. i will not say who is he is a former prime minister of the countries in you americans keep telling us what to do all the time i'm fed up with that. why didn't you fix bosnia? you just told us we should not have intervened and now you are telling me we should have fix ball you should have fix bosnia. or stop the civil war. he went on a long time, the dark team was the longest running team was sent into bosnia to provide aid in bosnia, you may know this but it was there seven or eight years. a long, long time. >> i have another question that came in that really is not about politics. it is more about particular students of foreign policy think the possibilities. india will begin this

jim baker and george bush let decided to make the decision to leave bosnia. yugoslavia was in europe bosnian civil war started from that. i'm a supporter of the european union. personally am a very strong supporter of nato. it seems to me that europeans should have been able to do this. it seemed that the governance system really does not encourage decisive leadership. you have to get consensus among all those states and people have veto power, countries have veto power to stop unified decision making. europeans have not done a good job. i had one european say to me, i won't say who was, a former prime minister of the country. you americans keep telling us what to do all the time, i'm fed up with it! why didn't you fix bosnia? >> you just told us we shouldn't have intervened! now you are telling me, you know, we should have fixed bosnia. why don't you fix bosnia? anyway, or at least stop the civil war! it went on a long time after that. the dark team is the longest running d.a.r.t. team, sent into bosnia to provide aid in bosnia. you may know this but it was

baker any emails jim baker the day before and says, hey, jim , i got some important information i want to pass along to you now?want he wasn't is doing that out of the kindness of his heart. the he was working for the clinton campaign. we know he liedca aboutmp - duro has yet to indicate yeah, he lied about it. but i think i think the fbi had to knowth i think jim baker had to k he gets an email from dustmen investments, his friend, you know, he works . perkins cooey how did he not know this was all part of the clinton campaign?tol hat goes. so we'll see where that goes. but overall, i think johnng durham is certainly being t thorough and certainly trying to get to the bottom of this and we certainly appreciate >>is work. we s just hope it happens quickly. last 20 seconds,seco jason . well, it hasn't happened quickly yet, but i just wantai truth and justice prevail. i'm glad it's going to is do toa a jury trial and i'mnd glad the judge is allowing the durham. do you think the dorham do you think durham has the completele story real quick? i , i do. and what we need to expose is where a

i think jim baker had to know. he gets an email from sussmann, sussmann is his friend and he knows he works at perkins coie, how did he not know this was all part of the clinton campaign? we will see will that goes. but overall, i think john durham is certainly being thorough and trying to get to the bottom of this, and we have certainly appreciated his work, just hope it happens quickly. >> sean: last 20 seconds, jason. >> well, it had to have happened quickly, but i just want truth and justice to prevail. i'm glad it is going to a jury trial, and i'm glad the judge is allowing -- >> sean: you think durham knows the story? do you think durham has the complete story, real quick? >> i do, and what we need exposed is where all the money was flowing. follow the money. >> sean: thank you both. more "hannity" next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> sean: unfortunately, that's all the time we have left this evening. we thank you for being with us and thank you for making the show possible. set your dvr so you never miss an episode of "

this assessment to jim baker, "i'm coming on my own, not on behalf of a client or company. i want to help the bureau. but like you said, that bill lowery requirement get you in the end all the time purity put in the charge for the clinton campaign." does this case come down to more than that text in the following bill? >> it does because if you think about how this works, not only do you have that original text jim baker setting up the meeting saying i'm commenting and as a concerned citizen, but you also have baker's notes to reflect that he said he didn't represent his clients. you have another meeting, i believe with intelligence officials saying he doesn't represent anybody. and reflecting that. so, i think there are several pieces of information. in fact my understanding is jim baker, former counsel of the fbi is also going to testify. he will be able to suggest and show that sussmann represented that he didn't have a client in this matter either. >> todd: we just played lawyer but let's play to the people. the american people are watching this at home. what should the

he wrote a text to the fbi guy, jim baker. he says, jim, it's michael sussman. i have something time sensitive and sensitive that i need to discuss. do you have availability for a short meeting tomorrow? i'm coming on my own, not on behalf of a client or company. want to help the bureau. thanks. so he said it. he said that he wasn't doing this on behalf. why isn't that the smoking gun that is going to get him convicted? >> unfortunately, david, they got it too late. when this case was indicted in september of 2021, they were right up against the five-year statute of limitations. the meeting that baker had with sussman, jim baker, was the general counsel of the fbi at the time, that occurred on september 19th, 2016. so they had to indict the case by september of 2021. they didn't locate the text until six months after that. by that point durham could not go back the grand jury, supercede the indictment to add new charges because it was time barred. david: so you can't bring this text into the court? >> no. it is different. they're allowed to use it for evidence.

either he told the truth when he met with jim baker, the f.b.i. general counsel at the time or he didn't tell the truth and he hid who his client was and that he was actually trying to feed disinformation to the f.b.i. in hopes that they would launch an investigation into the trump campaign and then that would be a political story that the hillary clinton campaign, who he represented, could use against donald trump. >> harris: "wall street journal" op-ed calls the sussman trial a mueller legacy arguing an f.b.i. would have figured out what hillary clinton's lawyer was up to. mr. durham's task would have been unnecessary had mr. mueller not messed with the swear to tell the truth law enforcement culture replacing savvy special agents and in a room with a lone attorney has shown the shortcomings. >> that is so true. mr. sussman went to jim baker, a lawyer, the general counsel at the f.b.i. instead of sitting down with an agent or a couple of agents to talk about the evidence. i think f.b.i. agent trained in this type of receiving of information woul

baker, we saw berkowitz become very angry and remind baker that didn't yo say, sussman was your friend, didn't you say sussman was your friend, and try in some ways to intimidate him and that was because jim baker said very clearly that michael sussman 10 and in person that he was not there for any planes, and that' really all they need to prove, there's only one count here. the jury is out washington jury. we are not going to know what i going to happen with them until we see what their verdict is, but i think it's becoming very evident what happened was 100 percent wrong, they misled, they obstructed justice in the entire fbi was in on it right and the campaign and the dnc. a gate thank you so much for grainy joining us tonight on hannity, we appreciate it. despite the mountain of evidenc against sussman, prosecutors face an uphill battle in part because of the clinton donors i the jury pool. here now with more is george washington law professor jonathan turley great thank you so much for joining us professor , you have written about this, i really appreciate your comments on this, b

baker is the top attorney at the fbi. he says jim, it's michael sussmann. i have something time sensitive to discuss. i'm coming on my own, not on behalf of a client or company. i want to help the bureau. in this case, he will say i was unsettled by these things and wanted to make sure that the fbi knew it. how will that go over in a d.c. courtroom with a d.c. jury? >> the d.c. jury, martha, is the biggest problem that durham has. they're sort of presumptively trump hostile. but that having been said, he went into the fbi billing the clinton campaign after spending a lot of time consulting with the clinton campaign, which he was also representing about the package of information that was being brought to the fbi. what he did to get in the door was capitalize on the fact that he's a former justice department official that had a prior relationship with jim baker, the general counsel to the fbi. they both worked together in the justice department for years. so if a mere more tall wanted to get a meeting with the fbi to report information, you know, you have to

how did jim baker not know he was working for the clinton campaign? i find the interesting part of this. we'll see if it comes out in the trial. we begin to get the details monday. now we know for sure this was -- the dossier was made up and the whole trump communication with the alpha bank was made up as well. >> harris: quickly. i want to get your take how it factors in for voters because that's what has been talked about. if some of the truth had been out earlier ahead of 2016, how would that have changed things? donald trump became president but what was cooking that hillary clinton thought she could take advantage of? >> the whole narrative. the "wall street journal" editorial is exactly right. they make stuff up, they go to the f.b.i. or they will go to the press or both and if the press writes about it, then they can take it to the f.b.i., the press is writing about this and get them to investigate or vice versa. they can say the f.b.i. is looking at this. it is why sussman took the information to the f.b.i. so they could communicate to the pre

baker? cash and i have lot of expense of this character wasn't exactly forthright and dealing with congress. maria: will take a short break but unbelievable, james baker ig the number two guy in a legal out twitter a number devin nunez and cash patel with me. with directv stream i can get live tv and on demand together: baseball, ghostbusters, baseball, ghostbusters, baseball... ♪♪ it's good to be back! that is one foul ball. let's do this! ♪♪ cross the stream! get your tv together with the best of live and on demand. directv stream. now save $30 over 2 months. xfinity mobile runs on america's most reliable directv stream. 5g network, but for up to half the price of verizon so you have more money for more stuff. this phone? fewer groceries. this phone? more groceries! this phone? fewer concert tickets. this phone? more concert tickets. and not just for my shows. switch to xfinity mobile for half the price of verizon. new and existing customers get amazing value with our everyday pric

he went to the meeting, denied again according to jim baker that individual that he was representing anyone, but durham says this whole time he was basically billing his time, but the most damming thing about this is to put it into context with what we know, president obama was briefed in 2016 that hillary clinton was planning to create a russian collusion scandal targeting trump. he was given that briefing. that was three days before the start of the russia collusion investigation. it was two months before sussman tried to push the alpha bank claims which were completely baseless to the fbi. >> jon: and so much damage has been done, as the "wall street journal" pointed out to the fbi's reputation, as a result of all of this. i mean, it used to be the gold standard for investigative agencies in this country, and so many people no longer trust the work of the fbi. >> yeah, and jon, one of the most amazing moments in the trial was when jim baker, the former general counsel to the fbi was asked why did it take you so long to turn over the incriminating text of sussman? and baker said we

way before this perkins lawyers showed up in jim baker's office. >> martha: that's right. that is a great point. crossfire hurricane was a large undertaking on behalf of the fbi. at the end of the mueller investigation, the attorney general, bill barr at the time, came out and said this which annoyed a lot of people. >> special counsel's report did not find any evidence that members of the trump campaign or anyone associated with the campaign conspired or the coordinated with the russian government in these hacking operations. >> martha: when you look back at that moment and people were -- some people were outraged. they said he summarized it incorrectly. he said look, they didn't find any connection between the russians or alpha bank or any of these entities in the trump campaign. so when we look at what's going on in this courtroom now, are we learning more about where it originated, even going back to 2015, trey? >> i don't think so. i think what we're learning is that you and i, martha, cannot get an interview with the general counsel of the fbi. you and i probably can

david: jim baker once said the best job in washington is actually secretary of state. you have seen the presidents up close. you were secretary of state for 4 years. it is a great job. now you work in the building where you were secretary of state, but technically not the secretary of state anymore. mr. kerry: i am not. david: is it complicated? the man who was your deputy is now the secretary of state and your boss? mr. kerry: totally great friend. we worked on the foreign relations committee for years together, we work together in the white house. he is doing a great job. the administration is right on track now with respect to what is happening in ukraine. they have been strong and skillful, and i am very happy doing one issue. believe me. david: let's talk about glasgow. many times when you have international conferences, most things are worked out in advance and you have press conferences but the things are already agreed to. but my impression is in paris and glasgow, it wasn't all worked out in advance. mr. kerry: it can't all be worked out in advance. nations ha

baker. we've seenive, berkowitz becomee very angry and remind bakermiyo that didn't you say something? wassuss your friend didn't you y festen was your friend and t in some ways i think intimidate him and that was because jim baker said very clearly that michael sussman 100% said to me via text and in person that he was not there for any client and that's really all they need to prove. there's only one count here. the jury is a washington jury.oi we are not going to know what is going to happen with them until we see what their verdict is.t but i do think it's becoming very evident what what happened was 100% wrong. they misled. they obstructed justice and the entire fbi was in on it and the campaign and the dnc alito have and great. >> george , thank you so muchoi for joining us tonight. nion "hannity". we do appreciate it. all right.de despite the mountain of evidence gets up and prosecutors still face an uphill battle in part becausedo of the clinton donors in theno jury pool. here now wi

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sussman mails jim baker. the email didn't say mr. baker. he said jim. how did they know it wasn't coming from the clinton campaign. he knew sussman was the campaign lawyer for the clinton campaign. when we deposed jim comey in 2018 he told us in the transcribed interview that up until the point he got fired, which had been 10 months of this russia investigation, up until that point he said we didn't know if we had anything. we still didn't know if we had anything. that tells you from the get go that this was baloney but they ran with it because they wanted to run with it. they were out to get president trump. >> harris: you know, as you are talking i'm thinking how critical the idea of resource and origin of material. it is so for journalists and on capitol hill with hearings that you give. it is so for the lottery commission to make sure you have the right ticket. i mean, resource and knowing where things come from is so basic i would think. the january 6th committee. >> i was going to say the fundamentals were the clinton campaign paid perkins couey a

baker in september 2016, just six weeks or so before the election. what the special counsel team were alleging is that sussman lied in order to get this meeting and told baker he was not appearing on behalf of a company or client but rather he wanted to bring allegations about strange links between the trump organization and a russian bank to the fbi out of the goodness of his heart because he was a good citizen. durham in fact argued to the jury that sussman was motivated for partisan political interests and wanted to use the fbi. that was the heart of this case. >> i see. sussman, his law firm, did represent the clinton campaign. he also represented a software executive, who that's how he heard about some of these alleged links, but this whole case does not sound necessarily at the core of what durham was principally charged with looking into, right? >> one john durham was appointed by then attorney general bill barr during the trump administration, it was a time when then president trump was talking a lot about the people who investigated shadowy

a what you end up is a situation where sussmann clearly made a representation to jim baker, who was then the fbi's general counsel that wasn't true. namely that he wasn't representing the clinton campaign when he brought this information. the problem in the false statement case for the prosecutor is you have to show not only that a statement was false, but that the falsity was material. that it made a difference to the investigators. if the investigators weren't duped, if they were perfectly willing to take the information under a cover story, then you have a very hard time showing that the falsity was material. >> yeah, i wonder what you think and what bill bar would think. he said on the record he believes this was a political dirty trick and sadition at the most. he said -- >> do you get this feeling, andy, that the clinton campaign tried to weaponize this phony information to go after the trump campaign? >> sure they did, trace. you know, political campaigns do that. the clinton campaign notoriously is a little more sharp elbowed than most. but you know, you can't have something that

baker, knew this was baloney from the get-go. one of the key questions i had is who told sussmann to go to the fbi? did he do it out of the goodness of his heart? was it hillary clinton? who from the campaign. was it mark elias? did mark elias say go to the fbi and did they also tell them don't tell them who you're working for? i think that's an important question the country deserves an answer to. >> martha: that is an important question. whether or not we will get that answer, we don't know. we know some of the e-mails that durham requested that were back and forth between elias and others may possibly contain some of that information. we don't know. here's another interesting thing that came out in the courtroom today. it showed the evidence chain of these thumb drives. it went -- the first name was james baker who you just discussed. the other name is peter strock. sounds like the agent that said there's nothing here, why would trump put his name on this secret domain, maybe became out of the loop. peter strock stayed in the

the proof showed that jim baker testified that he wasn't even sure if this lawyer had said he represented hillary clinton or not. and the proof showed that the fbi's own internal notes said they knew that this lawyer represented hillary clinton and the dnc. what does this do to john durham's portfolio moving forward? technically nothing. i think it really undermines john durham's credibility and i think it shows that what do we have after three years of investigation? more time than robert mueller spent investigating. more than three years of investigation by john durham and this is the biggest result so far, a not guilty verdict. >> elie honig, grateful for the hustle and insights. >>> up next, president biden meeting with the federal reserve chief, trying to make the case the overall economy is humming. , plus seals out 5x more food particles. fear no food. new poligrip power hold and seal. hitting the road, not all 5g networks are created equal. t-mobile covers more highway miles with 5g than verizon. t-mobile has more 5g bars in more places than anyone. another reason t-mobile is the

i just asked the simple question, was it jim baker? kash and i have a lot of experience with this character. [laughter] he wasn't exactly forthright -- maria: i know you do. >> -- dealing with congress. maria: we're going to take a short break, but unbelievable, james baker is the number two guy in legal at twitter right now. devin nuÑes and kash patel are with me, and we'll be right back with more. ♪ ♪ maria: welcome back. we are back with former congressman devin nuÑes and kash patel who was the lead investigator for the russiagate probe. kash, let me turn now to this trial tomorrow of michael sussmann. give us your expectations and how you believe john durham is conducting this investigation. >> hey, maria, great to be with you. look, as a former national security prosecutor, i think john durham is doing the most methodical prosecution i've seen in recent history. and like we did when devin and i ran the russiagate hoax, best way to convict is with their own documentation, it's to follow the money. john durham connected the cl

baker who he met with back in september, 2016. a lot of these people had very, very foggy memories about what exactly happened and in the case of some of them, they didn't actually remember what the prosecution's case was built around until they were threatened with possible prosecution so that's one of the things that i think made a huge difference for this jury. they didn't believe the case that the prosecution made which was that he met with the fbi in summer of 2016, essentially peddling this theory that there were computers in trump organization communicating with russian bank that was linked with the kremlin, that, apparently according to the jury today did not work with them. >> how does this special council investigation compare to the earlier, much earlier robert muller special council investigation. >> well, you know, the former president, president trump wanted a lot from john durham, wanted his political enemies sent to prison, said the deep state was against him and wanted those consequences brought against those peop

baker, the day before they met. here it is. jim, it's mike sussman. i have something time sensitive and sensitive i need to discuss. do you have availability for a short meeting tomorrow? i'm coming on my own, not on behalf of a client or company. want to help the bureau. so how was it -- a. [laughter] do you think that the jurors believed that a guy who was the main man in the hillary campaign wasn't representing the hillary campaign in bringing this issue to the fbi? >> yeah. i mean, look, that text message is a smoking gun, it really is. it really removes the issue of credibility to a large degree because you've got the statement in writing from sussmann. now, there's still an issue of materiality, whether the fbi treated it seriously and had to actually investigate based on the false that statement. there was some muddled testimony from reluctant fbi witnesses in that regard. but, look, this is basically nullification. this is a bunch of jurors saying this is a high profile, politicized event. good decision by s

i just asked the simple question, was it jim baker? kash and i have a lot of experience with this character. [laughter] he wasn't exactly forthright -- maria: i know you do. >> -- dealing with congress. maria: we're going to take a short break, but unbelievable, james baker is the number two guy in legal at twitter right now. devin nuÑes and kash patel are devin nuÑes and kash patel are with me, and we'll be right b b you know liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need? oh, like how i customized this scarf? wow, first time? check out this backpack i made for marco. oh yeah? well, check out this tux. oh, nice. that'll go perfect with these. dude... those are so fire. [whines] only pay for what you need. ♪liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty.♪ xfinity mobile runs on america's most reliable only pay for what you need. 5g network, but for up to half the price of verizon so you have more money for more stuff. this phone? fewer groceries. this phone? more groceries! this phone? fewer concert tickets.

jim baker, a former cnn contributor, we should note, former general counsel of the fbi who the former president attacked relentlessly as part of the fbi leadership, is now a star witness. helping to possibly put in prison michael susman who is a clinton campaign lawyer. it's a remarkable turn of events that's happening. >> keep coming back as the case proceeds. again, 2016. that's the campaign that will never end. >>> up next, one on one with trevor reed. he's home, thankfully, after two years of imprisonment in russia, and his story. he tells it to jake tapper. it's both shoming and compelling.. this is roundup for lawns. this stuff works. this stuff kills weeds down to the root without killing your lawn. this stuff works on dandelions, crabgrass, clover. this stuff works for up to three months. this stuff works guaranteed, or your money back. this is roundup for lawns. this stuff works. ♪ ♪ ♪i'm so defensive,♪ ♪i got bongos thumping in my chest♪ ♪and something tells me they don't beat me♪ ♪ ♪ ♪he'd better not take the ring from me.♪ >>> the cnn exclusive, the

baker, and the writings about american diplomacy what it means or how it is conducted in modern era raw so you know, hardly the moment that we are in and see 'that most people here we are in a moment of american diplomacy no success. >> will i think that one thing to understand about diplomacy is everybody think they can do it right. [laughter] and because you know, i can talk to you and you can talk to me and we do this together but as with most professions, it is more complicated and that is important to understand the culture and language so many different factors and how you get this and yes is done over time that i would say that right now actually we are witnessing the importance of diplomacy on scale with president biden sec. lincoln effort to keep this coalition of together and i think it is remarkable i think it is one of the reasons that vladimir putin underestimated he thought the west was kinda not bankrupt kind of set of democracies like the autocraciew would not have the will and skill to come together as a group and push back on russia and we have and so, i think show

baker is the general counsel of the time to take the meeting. he was basically trading on a personal relationship to try to get the fbi to take notice of the unfounded allegations. elizabeth: a bill, the big news coming out of what happened today's fbi former director james comey who drove hiller to the brink. robby testifying quote we do not trust the fbi. two or three the most damaging days of the clinton campaign were caused by combing, not trump. co- meat broke protocol time and again with the public press conferences on the fbi's investigation into a hillary clinton's e-mails that was happening at the same time. and clinton has repeatedly blamed comey for causing her to lose to trump. that is what drove her to basically push up the story into the media. >> someone has done multiple presidential campaigns is nothing worse than having law enforcement agency give a press conference the summer before the election and say were not pointed charge appears all the wrong things you did what you did was really reckless and careless. and then, for new

baker. there's very little writing, you know about american diplomacy or what it means or how it's conducted, you know in the modern era so you know, how do we look at the moment that we're in though and and see this most people fear that we're in a moment of failure of american diplomacy not success. yeah. well, i think you know one thing to understand about diplomacy is everybody thinks they can do it, right because right like politics because you know, i can talk to you and you can talk to me and we can figure this out together. but as with most professions, it's it's more complicated than that. it's important to understand, you know, the culture and the language and so many different factors and how you get to yes, and yes that is adorable over over time and i would say that right now actually we are witnessing the importance of diplomacy on steroids with president biden secretary blinkins efforts to keep this coalition together. i mean, i think it's remarkable and i think it's one of th

baker the former fbi general counsel. baker left no doubt. he said that sussmann came in and did not say that he was representing the clinton campaign. in fact, before the meeting, he sent a text that expressly said i'm not representing anyone. i'm here to bring you some really important and damaging information. >> brian: what's crazy is that they are supposedly friends. and sussmann not only was working for clinton, he billed for the hour. so let's just use logic. if baker and sussmann know each other. you have to know what sussmann does for a living representing the clinton camp so he could put that together. what is significant is and you stop me if i'm wrong, john that because he came in as himself they keep his identity secret. so when he -- when baker hands this over to hellman and says investigate this hellman feels frustrate that he had doesn't know who actually gave this to him and if they have a political horse in this race, right? >> yeah. and there was also an interesting moment where baker was asked why it t

jim baker known russian hookster appears now voluntarilied what wears orchestrated effort by media, the left, to block elon musk, from buying twitter. >> there is a lot here mike lee let me, let's talk about what is going on here, james baker is fbi was fbi lawyer talked with michael sussmann sussmann hillary clinton lawyer whose trial begins today, that officially in 2016 sussmann called up james baker said i have information about trump being tied to russia i am not representing any one client i want to just tell you about this as a good citizen, james baker pushed a russian collusion law interesting he landed up at twitter, after leaving fbi because of all of this the michael sussmann trial begins say looking at two different stories here michael on the one hand advertisers pay for the number of real people, seeing their advertising. and to hear elon musk say that it could be 90% fake accounts what do you think the advertisers are going to say about that? we don't know twitter hasn't responded to that. >> well, maria, a few things going on here, the of left institutional power comple

john durham has a text from michael sussmann saying to jim baker, counsel at the fbi, i'm not coming to you on behalf of a client. and he said the same thing to baker when he met with him the next day, giving him this b.s. information that donald trump was supposedly tied to russia. so if this jury doesn't, you know, couldn't find him guilty, you know, we'll know that -- who they donated to has something to do with it. maria: yeah. we'll be watching that, of course. we'll have more on trial. it's supposed to go about two weeks. let's slip in a short break. when we come back, a massive tunnel connecting tijuana and san diego was discovered by border agents as migrant encounters reach new, all-time highs, record numbers. national border patrol council president brandon judd is here, he will weigh in when we come right back. lemons. lemons. lemons. the world is so full of lemons. when you become an expedia member, you can instantly start saving on your travels. so you can go and see all those lemons, for less. you're a one-man stitchwork master. but your staffing plan needs to go up a s

he texted jim baker the general counsel of the fbi september 18th of 2016 and said this. it's michael sussmann i have something i need to discuss. do you have availability, bad speller for a short meeting tomorrow? i'm coming on my own, not on behalf of a client or company. want to help the bureau. thanks. so it comes down to michael success man says that hey, james baker, didn't take any notes after our meeting but james baker got this text and made it very clear he said he wasn't working for anybody we got the bills from sussmann so he is a liar. >> yeah and michael sussmann allegations were made allegedly to try to get the fbi to open up a federal investigation on the trump campaign to benefit the clinton campaign while he told the fbi he was simply trying to help them out. >> steve: and it worked. >> it did work. and it drug the country through years of a special counsel investigation. it made president trump's election questionable in terms of the media constantly questioning whether he was a legitimate president. what stood out to me yesterday when it came to this t

september 18, 2016, sussmann texted baker, jim, it's michael sussmann. i have something time sensitive and sensitive, i need to discuss, do you have availability for a short meeting tomorrow, i'm coming on my own, not on behalf of a client or company. want to help the bureau, thanks. in closing arguments jurors saw some of the billing evidence showing sussmann build the clinton campaign on the same day he met with the fbi. sussmann's team, john, says he did nothing wrong, he had a long working relationship with the fbi and would never lie to the bureau. jurors have to weigh several questions while they are deliberating. first one is was it false, and material to the investigation, and the other question, if he knowingly or willfully with the intention to break the law, the final question is was it made in the executive branch of the government, meaning the fbi, court will return on tuesday. >> john: david spunt, thank you. >> anita: more on that, jonathan turley, great to have you here this afternoon. so the jury has the case. what do you think? prosecut

, and sussman said, james, or jim, rather, i have some information linking the trump organization to a russian-based bank via a back channel. via a computer server. james baker took the information at the fbi, the fbi investigated, they found out there was nothing to it, kaylee, as you mention. hillary clinton's team at the campaign also found out about that information, and we are learning today via robby mook, the campaign manager, she, personally, was briefed on this allegation about the russian bank and trump organization and she said okay, go ahead, give it to the media. and that's where we are right now. sussman is charged with one count of providing a false statement to the fbi. the trials have been going on for a week. is expected to continue another week, but again, definitely a little bit of a surprise in the courtroom. i think not only from the government, but the defense when robby mook went ahead and admitted that clinton herself gave the go-ahead for disseminating that story which turned out to be false. >> kaleigh: wow, powerful new information, thank you, david, keep

sussmann writes to james baker, jim it is michael sussmann i have something time sensitive and sensitive, i need to discuss, do you have availability for a short meeting tomorrow? i am coming on my own, not on behalf of a client or company, want to help the bureau, baker's meeting with sisman is in september 2016 is what first sparked the he allegations of a connection between the trump organization and russia alfa bank after the invasion fbi found data bogus another stunning revelation from former clinton campaign general counsel mark elias telling jurors he personally hired fusion gps to dig up research on then candidate donald trump the firm commissioned discredited trump dossier a former analyst at fusion testifying she and other members pushed a journalist, to spread the conspiracy hillary clinton shared the fake articles days before the election writing it will itself time for trump to answer serious questions about his ties to russia, james baker set to get back on stand sussmann's team has no intent to kwg this before that could happen the judge says not inclined to grant such a

baker says he became friends with michael sussman years ago. the two kept in quote, frequent contact. baker said sussman contacted his personal cell on a sunday night in september of 2016. sussman wrote, jim, this is michael discuss man. i have something time sensitive to discuss. do you have availability for a short meeting tomorrow. i'm coming on my own. not on behalf of a client or company. want to help the bureau, thanks. sussman met with baker at fbi headquarters later that day and relayed information, allegations linking trump organization via a computer server between a russia bank. fbi investigated it. nothing to it. sussman's text he was not coming to baker on behalf after client. told baker the same reason. he billed clinton campaign for the meeting. baker said sussman said he was positive he was not coming in on behalf of any clients. the defense pointed to a prior interview transcript where baker used the word clients when talking about sussman. baker said that was essentially a figure of speech and he misspoke. the trial continues

brooke: that particular message coming from the central witness in this case, general counsel, james baker. his meeting with defendant michael sussmann in 2015 sparked allegations of connection between the trump organization and russia. message reads, jim, it is michael sussmann, i have something time sensitive and sensitive i need to discuss, do you have availability for a short meeting tomorrow. i'm coming on my own, not on behalf of a company. i want to help the bureau. michael sussmann provided data and white papers allegedly linking trump organization to the alpha bank. the fbi found the data to be bogus. michael sussmann claims he came forward not on behalf of a client issue but as a citizen worried about national security. durham says they have -- billed the clinton administration for that meeting. and mark elias telling jurors he personally hired fusion gps to dig up evidence on donald trump. fusion gps discredited the trump dossier, offered by christopher steele and paid for by the clinton campaign through the law firm. >> the allegations against this particular attorney, i believ

on september 18th, 2016, sussman texted, "jim, it's michael sussman. i have something time-sensitive and sensitive i need to discuss. do you have availability for a short meeting tomorrow? i'm coming on my own, not on behalf of a client or company. want to help the bureau, thanks." sussman had a badge to get into fbi head quarters and offered baker information linking the trump organization via a computer server to a russian-based bank. the fbi investigated. nothing to it. sussman claims he came forward not on behalf of a client but as a concerned citizen. federal prosecutors say they have evidence showing that sussman billed a clinton campaign for the fbi meeting. also on the stand, clinton campaign general counsel mark elias who told jurors he personally hired fusion gps, opposition research firm to dig up dirt on then candidate donald trump. fusion gps in turn worked with former british spy christopher steele to create the steele dossier, collection of bogus information about candidate trump. elias kept the hiring quiet within the campaign telling j

the message reads "jim, it is michael sussmann. i have something time sensitive that i need to discuss. do you have availability for a short meeting tomorrow? i'm coming on my own, not on behalf of a client or company. i want to help the bureau." they agreed to a meeting where assessment with white papers linking the trump organization to russia and after an investigation, they found the data to be bogus. sussmann claims he came forward not on behalf of a client but as a citizen worried about national security but durham and his team seem to have record showing sussmann build the clinton campaign for that meeting. another stunning former clinton campaign mark elias. telling the jurors he personally hired fusion gps to take operation research on thin candidate donald trump. you remember fuson gbs with the anti-trump dossier offered by intelligent agent christopher steele and paid for the clinton campaign and dnc through elias and sussmann's law firm. and today james baker is set to get back on the stand. sussmann intends to request

jim, it's michael sussman, i have something time sensitive and sensitive i need to discuss do you have availability for a short meeting tomorrow? i'm coming on my own, not on behalf of a client or company. i want to help the bureau, thin straight sussman's team said vi a poster board to spite with th government said, this was not a giant political conspiracy theory. they accuse the government of using smoke and mirrors to distract from the facts straigh sussman's attorney sean berkowitz told jurors that sunday night text message doesn't matter, it is what sussman said to baker monday at fbi headquarters in person in there are no notes or recording of that meeting baker told different people different stories about what sussman actually said, sussman's attorney say it was no secret h works with the clinton campaign and that sussman practically ha the dnc tattooed on his four head. they said sussman's allegations were not taken seriously becaus the fbi never interviewed sussman in a formal setting. >> here is the one page single charge formed the jury will fil out when it reaches a verdi

jim, it's michael sussmann. i have something time sensitive and sensitive i need to discuss. do you have availability for a short meeting tomorrow? i'm coming on my own, not on behalf of a client or company. want to help the bureau. thanks. sussmann's team told jurors via a poster board during closing arguments despite what the government said this was not a giant political conspiracy theory. the government accused using smoke and mirrors to distract from the facts. sussmann's attorney sean berkowitz told jurors sunday night text message doesn't matter it's what sussmann said baker monday at fbi headquarters and there are no notes or recordings of that meeting. baker told different people different stories about what michael sussmann actually said. sussmann's attorney say it was no secret he worked for the clinton campaign and that sussmann practically had the dnc tattooed on his forehead. they say sussmann's allegations were not taken seriously by the fbi because bureau agents never interviewed sussmann later in a formal setting. bret, here is the one-page single charged jur