if lamar jackson was the exact same player and he was white. no one would have ever suggested. he changed positions. so that was my way into the book. i want to go back to that story and told about. the duke army game and seeing words added to your lead. i'm wondering what you learned about how and from your subsequent or you're more recent conversation with doug williams about that about how in some cases. black people want the race to be included, you know, it's not a sidebar when lamar jackson is the mvp that there's significance that the racial component of that is significant when patrick mahomes wins a super bowl mvp. the racial component of that is significant. how did you become aware of that and maybe how did you come to incorporate that in your writing? well, it's funny because i obviously i went and talked to my gun. after that happened we were fellow students and i apologize to him. and and mike said don't worry about it. i understand why they did it. i mean he's very bright guy and um, you make a good point that it when the first time i interviewed doug williams wh

if lamar jackson was the exact same player he was no one would have suggested a different position. >> i want to go back to the story told about -- i'm wondering what you learned about in your more recent conversation with doug williams about that about how in some cases black people want race to be included and it's not a sidebar when lamar jackson was the mvp and the racial component that was patrick mahomes was a super bowl mvp in the racial component to that is significant. how did you become aware of that and how did you incorporate that in your writing? >> it's funny because obviously i talked to my son after that happened. we were fellow students and i apologize to him. and he said don't worry about it i understand. he's a very bright guy and you make a good point that the first timeme i met doug williams was n tampa. i apologize to him because we were about a year late and i mean we being the "washington post." he was in his second year by the time george solomon sent me down to write a story about him and by then the bucs had gotten good and made the playoffs in the champions