year dedication of the lincoln mario we are joined by author and abraham harold holzer lincoln to -- joined by author and lincoln expert harold holzer to discuss. what sets it apart? guest: one is just the beauty, the building and the magnificence of the marble statue, the largest marble monument portrait in the united states, then and now. what further has set it apart is the use of this space i am sitting on all the way to the steps as a platform for the discussion of grievances, for the aspirations for a more perfect union, for what reagan called unfinished -- what lincoln called unfinished work. it has evolved into the setting for demonstrations, gatherings, meetings, concerts that all point to completing that unfinished business of his. host: describe where you are and for those who haven't been there, with the should know. guest: i am sitting about 50, 40 feet from the reflecting pool on the far end of the monument. and of course the memorial is behind me up 87 steps, i think i have that right. finished in 19 and they waited for it to settle on the soft ground before it settled

year dedication of the lincoln mario we are joined by author and abraham harold holzer lincoln to -- joined by author and lincoln expert harold holzer to discuss. what sets it apart? guest: one is just the beauty, the building and the magnificence of the marble statue, the largest marble monument portrait in the united states, then and now. what further has set it apart is the use of this space i am sitting on all the way to the steps as a platform for the discussion of grievances, for the aspirations for a more perfect union, for what reagan called unfinished -- what lincoln called unfinished work. it has evolved into the setting for demonstrations, gatherings, meetings, concerts that all point to completing that unfinished business of his. host: describe where you are and for those who haven't been there, with the should know. guest: i am sitting about 50, 40 feet from the reflecting pool on the far end of the monument. and of course the memorial is behind me up 87 steps, i think i have that right. finished in 19 and they waited for it to settle on the soft ground before it settled

of the lincoln memorial on its centennial. join the discussion with your phone calls, facebook comments, text messages, and tweets. ♪ host: good morning it is saturday, may 21. three hour washington journal ahead and we will talk about president biden's trip to south korea and focus on the lincoln memorial ahead of the 100th anniversary. we begin with the question about the 45th president of the united states. as former president donald trump has made high-profile endorsements and key elections we are asking republicans only to call in to tell us how much influence you think how much influence he has on the gop? phone lines split differently. republicans, if you say he has too much influence the number (202)-748-8000. if you say it is not enough influence, (202)-748-8001. if it is just about right, (202)-748-8002. you can also text us at (202)-748-8003 and please include your name and where you are from. you can catch up on facebook.com/c-span or twitter @c-spanwj. republicans only in this first segment. start calling in on

from the west end of the national mall at the steps of the lincoln memorial. for folks who don't know, what is the lincoln form? guest: i'm glad you asked. it's a national organization that meets every november 16 through 18th in gettysburg, pennsylvania. you can find information about next november's forum on thelincolnforum.org, or getting in touch with me on my website, harold holzer --haroldholzer@ haroldholzer.com. we have dinners, lunches, breakfasts, great hotel we all meet at and the obvious of gettysburg to celebrate and soak in. we have been doing it for 27 consecutive years, one year on zoom only during the lockdown, and often recorded and broadcast by c-span, we are proud to say, but we would love people who are listening to get in touch with us and think about looking at our roster of speakers and heading to gettysburg in november. host: i don't know if you had a chance before you showed up for this interview to go up to the morrill itself, but the park service putting out a tweet this morning about having to close the memorial this morning or at

most regrettable moments of the lincoln presidency as a lincoln scholar. there are two things that if i could go back in time and say hey don't do that. it would be what he said at the charleston debate with stephen douglas in 1858 about social equality. and then this moment in august of 1862, and so the context is that in the summer of 1862 lincoln has decided to issue an emancipation proclamation and william seward persuade him to wait until there's a victory on the battlefield because the war has been going badly for the union in the spring and summer of 62 the peninsula campaign which went right through where i am here and newport news, virginia was a disaster for the union and so seward was concerned that if lincoln issued and manifestation proclam. and then that it would look like an act of desperation and it would lead england and france to recognize the confederacy as a legitimate nation. and so lincoln agrees and lincoln decides to wait until there's a union victory the problem is lincoln's generals can't get their act together. and so there's a m

he's the author of several books on lincoln including and lincoln observed the inner world of abraham lincoln and the two volume american abraham lincoln a life as well as his new book, which he'll be discussing tonight. the black man's president abraham lincoln african americans and the pursuit of racial equality. noah. feldman is the felix frankfurter professor of law chair of the society of fellows and founding director of the julis rabinowitz program on jewish and israeli law at harvard university. he's the author of nine books including the three lives of james madison genius partisan president and his latest book which will be tonight the broken constitution lincoln's slavery and the re-founding of america diana. shall is professor of political science at loyola university, maryland and a non-resident senior fellow at the american enterprise institute where she focuses on american political thought and history. she is the author of several books including what so proudly we hail the american soul and story speech and song and her new book is his greatest speeches how lincoln mov

abraham lincoln, and the two volume abraham lincoln, a life. as well as his new book which he will be discussing tonight, the black man's president abraham lincoln, african americans, and the pursuit of racial equality. noah feldman is the chair of society fellows and founding director of the jewelers illiterate program on jewish israeli law at harvard university. he's the author of nine books, including three lives of james madison, genius president, and the latest book which we will be discussing tonight. the broken constitution, lincoln, slavery in the re-founding of america. diana shaub is a professor you leila university. and a fellow at the university -- she is the author of several books, including what so proudly we hail the american soul and story speech and song. her new book is, his greatest speeches. how lincoln move the nation. welcome noah feldman and diana schaub. michael burlingame let us begin with you. tell our friends why you argue in your new book that lincoln was the black man's president. you have several speeches of frede

he's the author of several books of lincoln, including lincoln observed, the inner world of abraham lincoln and the two volume american law around lincoln's life as well as his new book, which he will be discussing tonight, the black man's president, abraham lincoln, african americans, and the pursuit of racial equality. noah feldman is the felix frankfurter professor of law, chair of the society of fellows, and founding director of the julis-rabinowitz program on jewish and israeli law at harvard university. he's the author of nine books, including the three lives of james madison, -- partisan president, and his latest book, which we will be discussing tonight, the broken constitution, lincoln's slavery and re-founding of america. diana, schaub, it's professor of political science at loyola university in maryland and a nonresident senior fellow at the american enterprise institute, where she focuses on american political thought and history. she is the author of several books, including what so proudly we hailed, the american soul and story, speech in song, and her new book, is his greates

in the second year the war a southerner wrote to lincoln and said that he thought lincoln could achieve a reunion at the end of the war then on the basis of reuniting the states as they were meeting with slavery intact thinking a very irritated. he said broken eggs cannot be mended. he said we're tired of being one side the risk all and the other nothing meaning you guys are gonna have something on the line too, and that could only be slavery and obviously the next year when he put forth the emancipation proclamation that became explicit as lincoln was probably or considering laying out. what would be the proclamation illinois redid its state constitution and it had a referendum on whether or not black should be able to vote it was defeated seven to one seven to one. in fact, there was another referendum they vote on whether black should be able to move in. there was some blacks there. not many and that was defeated more than two to one. so and the the great worry for lincoln the emancipation proclamation is this it would turn off great legions of voters in the north and it did the repu

we call it the t.l.c., the community has named it t.l.c., not the lincoln center, because when they come in there we are giving them hope and what we have looked for solutions, right, for homelessness, drug addiction. we all know one of the biggest weapons we have is inspire that person to let that person see there is a light at the end of the tunnel. so including myself, everyone on the team comes from lived experience and we are able to talk the language, we are able to understand what they are going through. this is something that maybe a doctor can't do because they have not slept a night on the street and don't understand what it means when a mice runs past you and how you feel and how you need to stay awake, somebody might try to rape you, right. we are seeing women come into the space who have been trafficked, they feel comfortable to come in, there's no police, they have someone that will take them in. there is stories after stories after stories we are seeing 400 to 500 people a day, not everyone, and i want to say this and want people to hear this, not everyone coming into that

stood on the steps of the lincoln memorial with a dream. in the year since, millions have come here to make their own voices heard. >> the lincoln memorial, more than any other monuments and memorials we ever see, has become historic sight in its own rider, a symbol of where you go to exercise your first amendment right. >> reporter: mike, chief of communications for the national mall, says creating a stage for protests wasn't part of the memorial's original design. >> it is on a straight line access from the capitol to the washington monument to where the lincoln memorial was built. henry bacon, the architect, envisioned at the far end of the mall you have the capitol building, which represents the government, and here you have the lincoln memorial, the savior of that government. >> reporter: it is a symbolic link connecting the memorial and the mall to formally confederate virginia. but imagine if the lincoln memorial looked like this or this? those were just some of the designs that were initially proposed. ultimately, it was preeminent

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and president of the lincoln group. he has seen some of the same division plaguing the country that lincoln saw. including ultra partisanship,. >> lincoln more than anyone understood how fragile democracy could be. >> indeed he stood on the precipice of a great division of the country. >> 's characteristics always brought him back to how do i put this together? how do i reconcile the differences of this great nation? he always viewed himself as president of the entire country not just the north brickwork something wendy things about every day as she smooths the lincoln marble. so like a democracy stone here is really strong. but you really have to preserve it and care for it, for it to last spring. >> yes that we do but it's really important for our future and for the history of america. >> an american future made possible by one man's historical sacrifice. the memorial that is honored him for 100 years. and washington d.c., douglas kennedy fox news. >> and coming up on this holiday weekend edition of the fox report, wh

on the lincoln catapult. the national colors and personal flag were posted, and the casket going on to the kind of old. the coddled was a platform -- built initially for president lincoln's casket, when he was assassinated back in 1865 and it was maintained at the capitol and he was four very special occasions of state funerals. once the flags were posted, the first relief guard of honor took position at the lincoln -- and the body bearers were dismissed. after a salute. the body bearers are the same group that we will see again. a bit later. once they departed, the reverend frederick brown harris, chaplain of the senate, delivered a short eulogy addressing mr. heavers humanitarian work and his strong, unbending, unblemished character. then, president johnson place a reef at the base of the lincoln catafalque and bowed his head. there's a press photo. and another press photo. chaplain lieutenant kenneth aims of the military district of washington pronounced the benediction concluding the rotunda ceremony a fe

anniversary of the memorial and reflect on the meaning of the lincoln memorial. >> it was first dedicated in front of a crowd of 50,000, and seating for black attendees was segregated. dr. robert was the only black keynote speaker that day and he called the memorial a hollow mockery and a symbol of hypocrisy. >> to some, it may have been seen as a great moment of celebration. no doubt it was, even to african-americans. this was a space not only to think about the ideals of lincoln but to think about where we are falling short. >> over the years, the lincoln memorial, becoming a site of symbol rights -- civil rights activism, beginning with marian anderson, after she was denied the opportunity to sing at a d.c. venue because she was black. and then becoming a go to place for the nation's most prominent speeches and the summer of 2020, when protests build the nation's capital after the murder of george floyd. >> people came to voice their concern and they still do it today. >> entrenched in history, the lincoln memorial still stands as a marker of this nation's process -- progress. liz: pri

this is not the happiest part of the lincoln story by any means. it's a reminder of how unhappy the entire story was. the situation in minnesota exemplified much that was wrong with federal relations with native americans, but so did other events lincoln's administration largely abandoned indian territory modern-day, oklahoma in 1861 leaving cherokee leader, john ross no choice, but to cast cast his lot with the confederacy. he met with lincoln an effort to gain support in 1862, but lincoln and his advisors proved largely unsympathetic. in the same year lincoln agreed to enroll native american troops in the area. well before the historically more famous debate about african-american troops. he also had to resolve disputes there between military commanders a problem with which lincoln was intimately familiar in the war's eastern and western theaters and with which most scholars of the war intimately familiar as well, but perhaps not so much with farther west. indeed farther west in 1862 the battle of glorietta pass settled whether the confederacy wo

men that marks the 100th anniversary of the dedication of the lincoln memorial. douglas kennedy takes a look at the u.s. landmark and help not only honors history but also has become a part of history itself. >> the columns have to be cleaned and the marble has to be maintained. but really what you're doing is preserving history. >> we are trying to preserve this beautiful building this memorial for future generations. starts when it is an architectural conservator at the national park service. she spends her life caring for the stone and marble that make up the lincoln memorial. now, celebrating 100 years as a national symbol of unity. a car ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> the material itself represents a unified country but some of it coming from massachusetts, some of that coming from colorado. and some from the heart of the confederacy pick. >> yes that is right. the lincoln statue that you see in the chamber that is white marble from georgia. you see the beautiful floor that's tennessee pink of marble. >> the index finger of his right hand is slightly raised, a plea of o

he talked of the west with mary lincoln. he talked of the west with skyler cold facts, the speaker of the house who is about to go west. he was indeed thinking of the west not in the way he should have, but perhaps in the only way he could have at the time. we all al-ata elliott west for his article the greater reconstruction, to heather for west from appomattox, there's a growing list of wonderful scholarship on the west that i'll mention here, partly for the benefit of k-12 teachers. kevin waits, west of slavery, ghana matthews the golden state and civil, where meghan kate nelson, the three cornered war, which was a finalist for the pulitzer. stephen kantrowitz is, pending work on-chunk citizenship. a lot of people are studying the west in the civil war area, a lot can learn from comparison, what happened involving native americans in the west in 1862 takes into account attitudes of waste, government, western movement and so much more that we see through a different lens when we compare it with the federal response to sout

was carried to the center of the rotunda and placed on the lincoln catapult. the personal flag was posted and the casket going onto the cannibal, the catapult was a platform built originally from president lincoln's casket when he was assassinated in 1865 and maintained that the capitol and used for state funerals was once the flags were posted, the first relief guard of honor took position at the lincoln capitol and the body barriers were dismissed after a salute. >> the same group we will see again. a little bit later. once they departed, the reverend frederick brown harris, chaplain of the senate delivered a short eulogy adjusting mister hoover's humanitarian work and his strong unbending unblemished. then president johnson placed a wreath at the base of the lincoln catapult and bend his head. there is a press photo and another press photo. chaplain sending kenneth ames pronounced the benediction, included a rotunda ceremony a few minutes after 3 while the rotunda cleared, they inspected arrangements for the period after the departure, the family, rotunda w

on the lincoln catapult. the personal flag and colors were posted, and the catapult was a platform built originally for president lincoln's casket when he was assassinated back in 1865 and it is maintained at the capitol and used for very specific state funerals once the flags were posted, the -- at the lincoln catafalque and the body bearers were dismissed after a salute. the body bearers are with the same group we will see again a bit later. once they departed, the reverend harris, chaplain of the senate delivered a short eulogy addressing mr. hoover's humanitarian work and his strong, unbending, unblemished character. then, president johnson placed a wreath at the base of the lincoln catafalque, and bowed his head. there is a press photo. and another press photo. chaplain you tenet kenneth ames, concluding the ceremony -- while a rotunda cleared the hoover family -- for the lying in state period. after the departure of the family, the rotunda was open to the public from 3 pm to 9 pm. on october 24th, the r

of lincoln and the republican party. so very briefly he was a senator from tennessee in the only in the only southern senator who was pro-union and against secession he put his life in the line by taking that position lincoln appointed him military governor of tennessee in 1862 and in 1863 johnson again, put his life in the line by calling for the end the abolition of slavery again, this is quite unusual for a southern leader. he was named vice president in 1864 when republicans feared they would lose the election and in october 1864. and from me this is a key moment as it is a key moment for johnson while still military governor johnson gave a famous speech called his moses of the color men's speech in which he declared before a large crowd of black people in nashville that all of the enslaved people of tennessee were free. they had not been free body emancipation proclamation because tennessee was a border state the speech was widely reported. it was celebrated an abolitionist and black newspapers and it made johnson's