>> yevgeny. that's a fair, fair question. let me start with yevgeny. >> i'm sorry, nicole. >> then i'll come to you, alex. >> okay. great. so, that's a great question, because the report that alex and i had made and alex testified about in public in front of the world was simply an active duty on our part. we took an oath to support and defend the constitution. we took that oath seriously. and we knew that we had an obligation to report it, and we reported it through the chain of command and really never anticipated that it would go any further. had a few follow-up conversations with my supervisor about who we owed an obligation to as an attorney, as attorneys, whether it was to the president as a man or whether our loyalty was to the man or to the office. and i mean, i knew my loyalty was to the constitution. it was to the office. and i did my duty. alex and i both did our duty. and there were others, and i think the secretary being one of them, and the previous segment, you talked about bill barr, that took the same exact o

and reflects on that. >> and yevgeny, you noted that your interested in the war in ukraine. i think it is been famously covered that you and your brother are ukrainian american and served in the u.s. military, full citizens obviously. when you think back about the first impeachment and that scandal, and president trump trying to tie aid to ukraine with finding dirt on biden, and his son, do you think that had an ekts on putin's decision to invade. >> first of all, what i think it does is reinforce that this is always about national security. it was to alex and i when we reported it. we reported it to the chain of command, through appropriate channels. with national security in mind. and we have a clear idea of where ukraine was even back then on the razor's edge between democracy and autocracy and i think that that is 100% true and it is been bourne out and frankly there were a number of events that i think led to the calculation to invade ukraine. and the phone call was one of those events. >> what are some other ones? >> i think that for instance there was an assessment th

it was only after the russian withdrawal that a month after their execution yevgeny and dmitri were given a proper burial, a tombstone and the peace that mikola has been denied. jake, that drive from kyiv up near the russian border is incredibly revealing. much of the road has been destroyed. it takes a lot longer than it did. the city or parts of it at least lie in ruins. but it is those scars in the countryside outside, not where the shelling and the siege took place, but in the countryside where the quieter occupation by russia happened, and those scars have been harder to see. harder to say, as you just heard, and they're incredibly difficult to hear, jake. >> yeah, melissa bell, thank you. >> coming up, a massacre in buffalo, new information just shared in the investigation, and we're also learning more about the alleged motive in a deadly shooting at a church in california. stay with us. before treating your chronic migraine— 15 or more headache days a month, each lasting 4 hours or more you're not the only one with questions about botox®. tox® prevents headaches in adults with