-- sorry, tony ornato and bobby engel. if there is anybody who understands the importance of testifying under oath, it is both of those individuals, and so, you know, for my perspective, looking at -- there is no doubt that i think that the president probably at the time was angry, given the circumstances. but if there is disputes from both tony ornato and bobby engel, that this did not happen, i would like to hear that. and i will tell you that i know both of these individuals, i know tony ornato better than bobby engel, if they dispute it, i have no reason to question either one of those gentlemen as they are both of upstanding moral character. >> and just to be clear here, until they go under oath, and testify, i think importantly in front of the american people, not just on -- in a deposition or behind closed doors, she is the one, miss hutchinson is the one who is under oath and said all this under oath. elliott, to the broader point here, which is the testimony that the president knew there were armed masses, things

trump then used his free hand to lunge toward bobby engel. >> president trump was warned for days not to interfere with the congressional count of electoral votes by his own white house counsel. >> we're going get charged with every crime imaginable. >>> tonight's other top headlines, how long the socialite who helped jeffrey epstein abuse young girls will face behind bars. ♪ >> announcer: this is the "cbs overnight news." >> as we detail for you the bombshell testimony today in the january 6th hearing, history is important. during the watergate hearings 50 years ago, there was only one surprise witness. it was alexander butterfield who revealed there was a white house taping system. well, in the january 6th hearings, the surprise witness is cassidy hutchinson, then chief of staff mark meadows' top aide described the then president's fits of rage that included throwing plates of food, grabbing the steering wheel of the presidential limo, and lunging at a secret service agent. hutchinson said trump was furious that secret service agents were keeping some of his supporters outside of

mr trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engel. trump has responded, saying this is a "fake story that is sick and fraudulent." today is the first time we have heard exactly what was happening inside the white house on the 6th ofjanuary, how the president's most senior advisers anticipated the violence and did little to stop it, and then asked trump for a presidential pardon so they couldn't be prosecuted. did white house chief of staff mark meadows ever indicate. that he was interested in receiving a presidential pardon relating - to the 6th ofjanuary? mr meadows did seek that pardon, yes. first—hand evidence from someone who was right at the heart of the white house. sarah smith, bbc news. some cricket news. the former england captain michael vaughan says he is stepping back from his work on the bbc�*s cricket coverage. it follows allegations made last year that he made a racist comment to a group of asian players whilst playing for yorkshire county cricket club. vaughan, who denies the claims, says stepping back temporarily

trump then used his free hand and lunged toward bobby engel. amy: cassidy hutchinson accuses donald trump of attacking his own secret service agent on january 6 after he refused to drive trump to the capitol to join the armed mob gathering to block dramatic testimony before the house january 16 committee when she also revealed trump urged security officials to stop using magnetometers to screen for weapons just prior to the violent attack on the capitol and that chief of staff mark meadows and rudy giuliani both sought pardons after the insurrection. all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. in explosive testimony, a former white house aide accused donald trump of attacking his own presidential security detail on january 6 after the secret service refused to drive him to the capitol to join the armed mob. the testimony came from cassidy hutchinson, former aide to white house chief of staff mark meadows. speaking to the january 6 house committee, hutchinson described bei

trump then used his free hand to lunge toward bobby engel and went mr. arenado recounted his story to me he motioned toward his chemicals. >> the former president has since responded to the testimony and calls her a , quote, total phony and weaker. >>> a six week delay for scott peterson in his bid for pretrial. attorneys on both sides were supposed to be back in the courtroom yesterday but one of peterson's attorneys has since tested positive for covid. peterson is in a modified quarantine after being exposed at san quentin and is seeking a new trial based on questions surrounding one of the jurors in his original trial nearly 20 years ago. last year the california supreme court just overturned his death sentence for killing his wife and unborn son. another hearing will take place august 11th. >>> moving you forward. 2.5 years into the pandemic and vaccines for children as young as six months old are now available but there is hesitancy among parents as they ponder the decision to take the step with the family. i spoke with a doctor about key benefits f

trump got physical with the lead secret service agent, bobby engel, inside the presidential suv >> mr. engel grabbed his arm, said, sir, you need to take your hand off the steerin wheel, we're going back to the west wing. we're not going to the capitol. mr. trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engel. >> reporter: but now a source close to the secret service and ornato tells nbc new mr. trump never grabbed the steering wheel and never assaulted engel. and that ornato never told hutchinson those events occurred, but they don't deny mr. trump was furious and wanted to go to the capitol. the secret service says engel and ornato remain close to mr. trump. it says its agents are available to testify under oath also tonight, mark meadows is disputing hutchinson's account that he asked for a pardon meadows is declining to cooperate with the committee citing executive privilege. and former white house lawyer eric herschmann is challenging hutchinson's testimony that she wrote this note with wording from mr. trump to condemn the violence >> that's your handwriting, ms. hutchinso

mr trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engel. trump has responded, saying this is a "fake story that is sick and fraudulent." today is the first time we have heard exactly what was happening inside the white house on 6january, how the president's most senior advisors anticipated the violence and did little to stop it, and then asked trump for a presidential pardon so they couldn't be prosecuted. did white house chief of staff mark meadows ever indicate that he was interested in receiving a presidential pardon relating to 6january? mr meadows did seek that pardon, yes, ma'am. first—hand evidence from someone who was right at the heart of the white house. sarah smith, bbc news. drexel heard ii is democratic strategist and hejoines me now from los angeles. good to see you. thank you for talking to us. a lot of reporting around this is that dumb at describing the testimony as explosive, do you agree —— —— has described. i think it reminds us that the trump administration was and continues to be an unethical administration a

mr trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engel. trump has responded, saying this is a "fake story that is sick and fraudulent." today is the first time we have heard exactly what was happening inside the white house on the 6th of january, how the president's most senior advisers anticipated the violence and did little to stop it, and then asked trump for a presidential pardon so they couldn't be prosecuted. did white house chief of staff mark meadows ever indicate. that he was interested i in receiving a presidential pardon relating to. the 6th ofjanuary? mr meadows did seek that pardon, yes, ma'am. first—hand evidence from someone who was right at the heart of the white house. sarah smith, bbc news. ghislaine maxwell, a former girlfriend of the sex earlier i've spoke to a professor of law and performers prosecutor, who gave me his take. {iii prosecutor, who gave me his take. u, , prosecutor, who gave me his take. .. , , prosecutor, who gave me his take. , , ., take. of course, she added new detail of what _ take. of course, she

mr trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engel. trump has responded, saying this is a "fake story that is sick and fraudulent." today is the first time we have heard exactly what was happening inside the white house on 6january, how the president's most senior advisers anticipated the violence and did little to stop it, and then asked trump for a presidential pardon so they couldn't be prosecuted. did white house chief of staff mark meadows ever indicate that he was interested in receiving a presidential pardon relating to 6january? mr meadows did seek that pardon, yes, ma'am. first—hand evidence from someone who was right at the heart of the white house. sarah smith, bbc news. jennifer kerns is a former republican strategist and now author and conservative national talk show host. she joins us from new york. thank you for talking to us. what did you think of that testimony by ms hutchinson? well, i certainly found the details to be quite fallacious and specific. unfortunately, i think some of this will be contradicted in the com

trump then used his free hand to lunge toward bobby engel and when mr. ornato had recounted this story to me he had motioned toward his clavicles >> reporter: hutchinson saying even before his rally mr. trump was aware of the potential for violence at the capitol when he was told some supporters were armed and would not go through security >> i overheard the president say something to the effect of "i don't care that they have weapons. they're not here to hurt me. take the effing mags away let my people in they can march to the capitol from here. >> reporter: all as security had spotted trump supporters carrying ar-15s. >> i've got three men walking down the street in fatigues while carrying ar-15s. copy at 14th and independence >> reporter: hutchinson said she first heard of plans for president trump to make an unannounced trip to the capitol from rudy giuliani days before january 6th, plans alarming then white house counsel pat cipollone. >> mr. cipollone said something to the effect of please make sure we don't go up to the capitol, cassidy keep in to

trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engel and when mr. arenado recounted this story he mentioned towards his clavicle. >> reporter: a secret service agent familiar with the matter said arenado denies trump grabbed the steering wheel or agent. they said that the agents involved are prepared to testify under oath that the incident did not occur. the committee standing behind hutchinson's account while encouraging others with information to come forward. >> look, i believe cassidy hutchinson, i think she is a very, smart, capable, honest individual. she has no incentive to make up something that isn't true. >> reporter: the committee also says it has evidence that has emerged of witness tampering. liz cheney presented several messages from witnesses saying they have been pressured from trump allies to say the right thing. cheney says the committee is taking it seriously and indicated they're looking into next steps, something that could potentially indicate a possible criminal referral for witness tampering. >> jessica schneider, thank you f

trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engel, and when mr. ornato had recounted this story to me, he had motioned towards his clavicle. >> reporter: it wasn't the first time trump had exploded in rage. hutchinson described seeing what happened a month earlier, after attorney general bill barr declared that there was no significant fraud in the election. >> miss hutchinson, how did the president react to hearing that news? >> i first noticed there was ketchup dripping down the wall, and there was a shattered porcelain plate on the floor. the valet had articulated that the president was extremely angry at the attorney general's a.p. interview, and had thrown his lunch against the wall. >> and ms. hutchinson, was this the only instance that you are aware of where the president threw dishes? >> it's not. there were several times throughout my tenure with the chief of staff that i was aware of him either flowing dishes or flipping the tablecloth, to let all the contents of the table go onto the floor and likely break or go everywhere. >> reporter:

trump then used his free hand to lunged towards bobby engel and when he had recounted the story to me, he motions towards his clavicle's. >> sean: what you heard there is an incredibly bizarre allegation from person who, according to our sources, was actually prepared -- she wanted to work for donald trump outside the white house when he wasn't president at mar-a-lago, and according to people that i talked to tonight, others advise the former president not to hire her. in other words, according to "the federalist" and people i spoke to after january the 6th, she wanted to work for donald trump, that bad person she's now testifying against. and now, get this, cording to nbc -- by the way, abc is reporting it, fox news is reporting it. nbc's peter alexander, we have confirmed it here at fox, "a source close to the secret service is telling me both bobby engel, the lead agent, and the presidential limousine driver are both prepared to testify under oath, under the threat of perjury, that neither man was ever assaulted and that mr. trump, then president, never longed for the steering whee

mr trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engel. trump has responded, saying this is a "fake story that is sick and fraudulent." today is the first time we have heard exactly what was happening inside the white house onjanuary 6, how the president's most senior advisers anticipated the violence and did little to stop it, and then asked trump for a presidential pardon so they couldn't be prosecuted. did white house chief of staff mark meadows ever indicate that he was interested in receiving a presidential pardon relating to january 6? mr meadows did seek that pardon, yes, ma'am. firsthand evidence from someone who was right at the heart of the white house. sarah smith, bbc news. now, here in the uk, politicians, celebrities and charities have paid tribute to the bbc podcaster deborahjames who has died of bowel cancer at the age of 40. as a presenter of you, me and the big c, dame deborah campaigned for greater awareness of her condition and set up a fund which raised millions for charity. rachel burden looks back at her life. my nam

trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engel. >> reporter: today, trump denied it all. >> who would do that? i would grab a secret service person by the throat? >> reporter: and a source close to the secret service has told abc news and multiple other news organizations that agents bobby engel and tony ornato will dispute hutchinson's account that the president got physical. though the source does not dispute he got angry when he wasn't taken to the capitol. do you have any doubt at all in anything she said to you? >> i am absolutely confident in her credibility. >> reporter: cheney described the pressure campaign against potential witnesses. she told me the committee expects to talk to agents engel and ornato again. do you expect that that testimony will be live testimony, under oath like her testimony and for the world to see? >> i think it is important that their testimony be under oath and i understand very much the difficulty and the challenges that are presented when you are trying to protect somebody and the relationship that exists there. but that they have an o

trump then used his free hand to lunge toward bobby engel. whether when mr. ornato recounted the story, he motioned toward his cavcals. >> trevor: insane. trump reaching to take control of the car like an action movie, only he's the president and this is real life. you have to admit fighting your own secret service agent is genius on trump's part. he's hitting the one person who can't hit back. yeah, they can pump back but then they've got to jump in front of their own punch. take that -- rrrr! aaaaaaaah! ( applause ) ohhhhh! did you feel that one, rudy? ( laughter ) ( cheers and applause ) you know, this whole thing shows you how lazy trump is. the capitol is like two miles away. everyone else walked there, but trump was, like, okay, i could walk there, i could walk -- or i could try to steal a car from the sect service. which one is it? ( laughter ) not to victim blame, but this is on the secret service, all right? you had four years to trump-proof that vehicle. ( laughter ) you knew who you were dealing with. there should have been a toy steering wheel in

bobby engel. a source close to the secret service tells nbc news both are prepared to testify under oath disputing the remarks. hutchison's lawyer testifies she testified under oath acknowledging what she was told and that others with knowledge of the episode should do the same. -- rudy giuliani days before january 6. plans she says alarmed white house council path cipollone. >> something to the effect of please make sure we don't go up to the capitol, cassidy. keep in touch with me. we're going to get charged with every crime imagine football we make that movement happen. >> reporter: also recounting a conversation between pat cipollone and meadows, as the rioters advanced on the capitol. some chanting hack mike pence. cipollone saying the president needed to take action. >> responded something to the effect of you heard him pat -- he doesn't think they are doing anything wrong -- >> reporter: -- that there was no widespread voter fraud. >> i first noticed there was ketchup dripping down the wall

to trump used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engel. he motioned towards his clavicle's. >> laura: okay. bad acting. this is it has been that that media has been waiting for years. finally they had trump. >> wanted to go up to the hill as we heard and he assaulted his own secret service agent and that vehicle. as part of his attempt. >> that is going to stick for a lot of people. the president of the united states attacking his secret service agent. >> the president is in real trouble for assaulting his secret service agent. >> laura: problem. look like never happened. a source is telling folks that bobby engel and the suv driver are ready to testify that neither was assaulted by president trump and that he never "longed" or something to affect. and wait. there is more because according to cnn's [indistinct] an official said that tony granato denies telling cassidy hutchinson that trump grabbed the steering wheel or an agent in the first place. i can't wait to see that surprise hearing, liz. and as the surprise witness testimony blows u

trump used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engel. >> bret: okay. just in the past few minute as tweet from peter alexander nbc white house correspondent says this: a source close to the secret service tells me both bobby engel the lead agent and the presidential limousine suv driver are prepared to testify under oath that neither man was assaulted and that mr. trump never lunged for the steering wheel for the former president on this issue, he said, quote: her fake story that i tried to grab the steering wheel of the white house limousine in order to steer to the capitol building is sick and fraudulent very much like the unselect committee itself wouldn't even have been possible to do such a ridiculous thick her story of me throwing food is also false. why would she have to clean it up. i hardly knew who she was. answering other testimony there so let's just bring in our panel. byron york chief political correspondent. mara liasson "national public radio" and jonathan swan of political reporter for axios. jonathan, let me start with you. obviously

bobby engel did already testify to the investigation. he gave a deposition two and a half weeks ago. he is the lead agent on the president security detail, who supposedly was lunged at by the president. cassidy hutchinson's lawyer responded to this nbc news reporting today by saying, quote, miss hutchinson testified under oath, and we counted what she was told. those with knowledge of the episode also should testify under oath. joining us now is carol leonnig. she is the washington post pulitzer prize-winning investigative reporter, was also the author of zero fail their: wives and follow the secret service, who all of us immediately wanted to call as soon as we got this point in today's testimony. carol, thank you for making time to be with us tonight. i really appreciate it. >> glad to be here, rachel. so, let's have it. what do you want to know? >> i want to know if it's logistically, physically, geometrically feasible for the grabbing at the steering wheel, grabbing at the secret service agent thing, to physically happened? >> so, it

engel. engel has already spoken to the committee. but tonight a source close to the secret service tells nbc that he is willing to testify under oath that the events hutchinson described in that suv never happened >> ylan mui, thank you. >>> deputy attorney general in the first bush administration. don, let's start with this mob-like witness tampering what doors might that open for the department of justice? >> well, i think the department of justice is going to be watching whatever reports it gets of conduct like the examples that congresswoman cheney described i think they're going to be very defensive of the justice process that's going to go forward i think they will be all over anybody who does anything that looks like an effort to influence a witness. now, you have to realize, and i think everyone does, that this -- that administration and president trump are -- that's a form of conduct that you could very readily expect them to engage in. so i think it's going to be something that is

trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engel, and when mr. ornato had recounted this story to me, he had motioned towards his clavicles. >> seth: my favorite part of this story is imagining what would have happened if trump had actually succeeded and gotten his hands on the wheel i mean, can you imagine him driving a car? i mean, we've seen him drive a golf cart, but could he handle a, you know, a steering wheel that doesn't come with a tiny pencil holder? i mean, remember the one time he sat in the driver's seat of a truck and handled the wheel like a fifth-grader in a bumper car [ laughter ] let's say he really did get his hands on the wheel and drove the car. what would that look like? "alright, hands at 10:00 and 2:00, adjust your mirrors. check your blind spots, turn signal on, and we crashed into a tree guys, you got to tell the cops a cat ran out and i swerved to save the cat i can't get another ticket or they're going to take my license away and mel already told me she won't drive me anywhere. you got to get my back, guys." we've said

bobby engel. when he recounted this story to me, he motioned to his classicals. >> i confess ever hearing a story of a president trying to hijack his own motorcade, have you? has anyone? this day was long in the making and trump wanted to savor every moment. it was trump himself who invited everyone to washington, the previous december, saying it was going to be wild. we already heard from trump's former white house adviser steve bannon making clear that what was to come on the day -- what was to come on the day before january 6th. >> all hell is going to break loose tomorrow. just understand this. all hell is going to break loose tomorrow. it's going to be moving. it's going to be quick. >> all hell is going to break loose. today we learned that trump's intention to be at the capitol was not some spur of the moment decision. hutchinson described a conversation she had with rudy giuliani on january 2nd. >> as mr. giuliani and i were walking to our vehicles that evening, he looked at me and said so

trump then used his free hand to lung towards bobby engel. >> reporter: sources say the secret service agents involved are willing to respond under oath and plan to say there was no physical altercation in the vehicle. it comes as new questions emerge about a handwritten note shown by the committee. hutchinson testified she wrote the note as a potential statement for trump to release about the capitol riot but eric herschmann claims he, not hutchinson, wrote the note. hutchinson's attorney tweeting overnight ms. hutchinson testified under oath and recounted what she was told. those with knowledge of the episode also should testify under oath. former acting white house chief of staff mick mulvaney also supporting hutchinson saying i know her. i don't think she's lying. meanwhile, hutchinson said trump was furious, more people were not allowed near the stage at his rally before the attack, some apparently unable to get through the mags or metal detectors because they had weapons. >> i overheard the president say sig to the effect of no effing care if they have weapons, they are not there

engel is bobby engel, and another secret service agent driving the vehicle. we are told by sources close to the secret service that engel and the driver are willing to testify that that incident never happened. and tony ornato, who allegedly recounted that incident to her, back at the white house says i never briefed her on that. what do you say about what we heard yesterday and hearing now? >> well, john, this is a problem having minimal cross examination and both parties truly represented on the committee in any muscular way. very basic questions, even though fully recovered attorney like me would have asked miss hutchinson, whom i worked along with ornato and the white house, when did they tell you this, what was their state of minds, did you write it down, who else did you tell in the interim and i would point out that the spokesman for the secret service today said in the ten days leading up to hutchinson's testimony, they received no in inquiry whatsoever about what did or did not happen in the beast or the suv that day. and so if you really want to kno

engels, and the trump aid are all prepared to dispute hutchinson's account. both men are literally willing to testify under oath. they will say that mr. trump never longed for the car's steering wheel. >>> the fda is pushing for new covid booster shots that better protect against the more contagious omicron variant. today, a panel heard advice from vaccine experts to recommend the vaccine makers to modify their shots in time for the fall. that's when another covid surge is expected. the move follows an announcement from pfizer over the weekend that it scientists are working on a new vaccine. health experts say, more people are up-to-date with the shots, and the fewer infections and hospitalizations and deaths. >> we are continuously dealing with new variants, new surges of infection. what we need are vaccines that will stay ahead of the curve. we need vaccines to do a better job of preventing against infection, as well as, severe disease and hospitalization. >> the 7:00 p.m. newscast there. according to the specialists, they speculated that covid shots could

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trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engel and as he recounted the story to me, he motioned towards his clavicles. the valet articulated the president was extremely angry at the attorney general's ap interview and had thrown his lunch against the wall. which was causing him to have to clean up so i grabbed a towel and started wiping the ketchup off the wall to help the valet out. >> was this the only instance you were aware of where the president threw dishes? >> it's not. there were several times that i was aware of him either throwing dishes or flipping the table cloth. mr. cipollone said something to the effect of please make sure we don't go up to the capitol, cassidy. keep in touch with me. we're going to get charged with every crime imaginable if we make that movement happen. >> and pat said something to the effect of mark, something needs to be done or people are going to die and the blood is going to be on your f-ing hands. i remember pat saying something to the effect of mark, we need to do something more. they're literally calling for the vice president to be f-ing

fox news has confirmed that those agents including a lead agent bobby engel are disputing her telling that story. they say that trump did not assault them and he did not reach for the steering wheel. both men are prepared to testify the u.s. secret service is talking with the committee about making that happen. and tony are tells fox news that he never even briefed hutchinson about any of this. he was actually shocked when she made the allegations yesterday in public. also at the hearing kathy hutchinson testified that she wrote a potential statement for trump during the attack on the capital and "abc news" reporting that former trump lawyer eric herschmann is claiming that he actually wrote that note. this, again, raising questions why the committee went down this line of questioning in the first place if they had not yet cooperated these events. >> this incident with the secret service and the other secret service agent, kathy hutchinson says, clearly this information. >> speaking as one evidence of committee, what have you seen? >> there are still first-hand accounts that are troub

trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engel and when mr. ornato motioned to me, referred to his clavicles. >> reporter: denied telling hutchinson that he grabbed the steering wheel or agent. the secret service notified the select committee after hutchinson's testimony that the agents involved are prepared to testify under oath that the incident did not occur. the committee standing behind hutchinson's account while encouraging others with information to come forward. >> look, i believe cassidy hutchinson. i believe she's a smart, very capable, very honest individual. she has no incentive to make up something that isn't true. >> reporter: and the committee said evidence emerged of witness tampering. vice chair liz cheney presented several messages from witnesses saying they've been pressured from trump allies to say the right thing. cheney now said the committee is taking all of that very seriously and even indicated they're looking into possible next steps here, kate, that could include a possible criminal referral for witness tampering, so

trump then used his free hand to launch toward bobby engel, when tonyecounted the story towards me, he aimed toward his clavicle. >> was mr. engel in the room when he was telling the story? >> he was. >> did he disagree with any part of the story? >> he did not correct or disagree with any part of his story. >> did they ever act on that and tell you that what he had just said was untrue? >> neither of them told me ever that it was unue. >> and despite thisltercation, this physical altercation during the ride back to the white house, president trump still demanded to go to the capitol. here is what kayleigh mcenany, the white house press secretary at the time, wrote in her personal notes and told the committee about prison trump's desire to go to the capital after retuing to the white house. >> when you wanted to walk to the capitol, was that based solely on what this president said during his speech or what anybody else afterwards? >> to my recollection, i believe when we got back to the white house, he said he wanted specifically to walk with the marchers, according to my notes, he th

trump then used his free hand to lunge toward bobby engel and when mr. rinato recounted the story to me, he moved toward his clavicles. >> and the secret service says that it will make the agents involved here available to testify while a secret service official tells cnn on background that the agents would say that the incident itself described there just simply did not happen. and the deputy white house chief of staff would deny telling hutchinson that trump actually grabbed the steering wheel or attacked the agent on his detail. but hutchinson was the one testifying publicly under the penalty of perjury yesterday and the january 6 committee says that it trusts the credibility of a witness who is willing to testify under oath. >> fine, if they disagree, bring it on. >> let's bring in michael zeldin now. there is so much to in-pack here, but i want to start with the idea of advanced awareness, the idea that trump knew the crowd was armed and he didn't care because he thought that they weren't there to hurt him. hutchinson testified that he was so desper

trump then used his free hand to lunge toward bobby engel, and when mr. ornato had recounted the story to me, he had motioned toward his clavicles. >> stephen: he went for the throat! when you get into the secret service, you know you have to take one for the president, but you never expect to take one from the president. "thank you for your service. let's keep this part secret." the limo wasn't the only place the president got violent. hutchinson talked about the day bill barr went on the record saying there wasn't any fraud in the election. >> i noticed the door was propped open, and the valet was inside the dining room changing the tablecloth off of the dining room table. he motioned for me to come in and then pointed towards the front of the room near the fireplace mantel and the tv, where i first noticed there was ketchup dripping down the wall, and there's a shattered porcelain plate on the floor. the valet had articulated that the president was extremely angry at the attorney general's ap interview and had thrown his lunch against the wall. ( laugh

trump then used his free hand to lunch toward bobby engel. >> the debate over the testimony but no one is debating that trump wanted to go to the capital and that is not even debated by the secret service. the former prosecutor sees evidence of intent of the crime. this evidence also reveals trump knew the writers were armed and encourage them knowing they were armed. >> i overhear the president say something to the effect of i don't care that they have weapons, they are not here to hurt me. let my people in. >> we will walk down and i will be there with you. we are going to walk down, anyone you want but right here we are going to walk down to the capital because he will never take back our country with weakness. >> trump said that innocently or ignorantly, it could be hard but the same former prosecutor notes the encouragement of weapons before that speech and said it's now the smoking gun to prove intent to incite. then there is being a traitor, sedition, a.k.a., seditious conspiracy. we know attorney general garland is a cautious and careful lawyer and a former judge and we also kn