>> i did work with cassidy. i think she was someone who was very dedicated to her role and she was someone that was a very trusted confidant of mark meadows and to many others in the west wing, to alyssa's point. so we worked very closely with her on a daily basis. wherever mark meadows was, cassidy was there, and they were inseparable. so she was a trusted confidant. at times i went to her to strategize on certain things, on how to approach topics that were critical to what was happening in the administration. so i think people need to hear from her perspective on what about went down. she's got the facts. she's a firsthand witness to these facts and she is someone who is incredibly credible because she did her job while serving in the trump administration loyally and unwaveringly. >> so a lot of the biggest revor revelations that we already know about are because of her, her testimony. trump's response to hang mike pence, hang mike pence. meadows burning documents. a request for pardons from members of congres

cassidy hutchinson was sworn in on capitol hill. it would have been against the law for her to lie a point her lawyer made in a tweet. miss hutchinson testified under oath and recounted what she was told under oath. >> we agree. as they try to discredit her, smear her, damage ler and those attacks will likely endanger her safety and honing in on discrepancies in one single anecdote. a story inside two hours of testimony having to do with trump grabbing a steering wheel. there's a lot we don't know about what happened in the moment. hutchinson was completely transparent. she didn't say she was in the car. she said she heard the story. it was recounted to her secondhand. that was her sworn testimony. let's be clear, trump's fixations on that story is a red herring, a distraction. there's nothing else in the testimony that they could or would dispute. we are back with our panel. so katty kay, first the earth cooled and then men started extend being the severity of the alter kags. she's recounting a story told to her by two men near the

happy birthday to cassidy hutchinson. but she showed remarkable courage with millions of people watching her, to come forward and tell the truth. and the vice chair cheney's remarks at the end were chilling because there are apparently forces out there that are trying to engage in intimidation of our witnesses. that's an offense. that's a federal crime. it's a crime in the district of columbia. it's a crime in all of the states. you can't try to force somebody not to tell the full truth. >> well, their -- the way it was described in those witness anonymous witness descriptions of how they're being discouraged from testifying in their view is the kind of language that you hear in mob movies or, you know, about like, you know, nice restaurant you have here. it would be a shame if anything happened to it, which is not a direct threat but an implied threat. are you saying, is the committee saying donald trump and his team are committing crimes, are intimidating witnesses? >> well, all we're saying is that witness tampering is

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that's g-o-l-o.com. >>> cassidy hutchinson. the former aide to the white house chief of staff delivering bomb shell testimony today about then president trump's actions on january 6. hutchinson lawyers putting out a new statement following her testimony saying in part, i quote, while she didn't seek out the attention accompanying testimony today she believes that it was her duty and responsibility to provide the committee with her truthful and candid observations of the events surrounding january 6. i want to bring in the former homeland security and covid task force adviser to vice president pence. olivia troy. thank you so much. talk to me about cassidy hutchinson. you know her. she is being revered in some circles and reviled in others. what's your reaction to her testimony and the response to it? >> i feel like i worked closely with cassidy. she was a prominent figure in the west wing in the trump administration. she was the gate keeper to meadows. everybody who worked there or familiar with the senior circles and the admin

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did cassidy hutchison's testimony yesterday change that? >> i think it did. and the key thing is his mindset. that he knew what he was doing was wrong. it's this issue of can you show corrupt intent. and there's a very difference, you know, between as you said calling on your supporters to fight, versus encouraging an armed mob to assault the united states capitol and then trying to join them and lead nem as the president of the united states. so i talked to multiple former justice department officials and they do think this changes things. and separately the feeling insise the justice department they have been aggressively investigating this case. there are weekly meetings where attorney general gr garland is updated by the latest investigation as a whole, the sprawling investigation. >>> and including evidence against donald trump. there is no decision on whether that, there is enough evidence but garland is pushing, he signed off on a letter that asked for more on all of the transcripts on the january 6th committee a few weeks ago and as you mentioned ther

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did cassidy hutchinson's testimony yesterday change that? >> i think it did. the key thing is his mindset. he knew what he was doing was wrong. it is this issue of, can you show corrupt intent? there is a very big difference between, as you said, calling on your supporters to fight, versus encouraging an armed mob to assault the united states capitol, and then trying to join them and lead them as the president of the united states. so i talked to multiple former justice department officials, and i do think that this changes things. and separately, the feeling inside the justice department, is that they have been progressively investigating this case. their weekly meetings for garland's updated for the latest information in the investigation as a whole, including evidence against donald trump. there is no decision yet on whether there is enough evidence, but garland is pushing. he signed off on a letter for all of the transgression of the january six committee, that was a few weeks ago, and as you mentioned, there has been a flurry of searches, of subpoenas bei

if he credits cassidy hutchinson, good. if he discredits her, good, because frankly, you know, if you are trying to find out the truth you just want more information and he's obviously a critical person. he has no history of lying under oath, that certainly i'm aware of. so, you know, he is someone they should -- they should want to talk to. >> jeffrey toobin, thanks so much for coming? >> okay, guys. >>> decisions are expected as early as today as the supreme court weighs the two final and major cases on the docket. the court also prepares to welcome judge ketanji brown jackson this afternoon after justice breyer announced plans to step down today at noon. cnn's jessica schneider joining us with more. so it could kind of all wrap up today. >> reporter: it definitely will, brianna. we've been waiting for this, the final day of this momentous term. we have two opinions left and those could have far-reaching impacts. first off, the court could rule on the epa's authority to regulate carbon emissions from the epa has broad aut

hours after aide cassidy hutchison testified before the committee, u.s. capitol police officer harry dunn tweeting, i'm always conflicted when i see these courageous men and women coming forward their testimony. like sure, i appreciate it tremendously, but there wasn't anything you could have done before we got our asses beat? and then saying, i'm not blaming her or any other witness we have heard from that happened that day, the blame belongs with the former president and the people who attacked us, period. officer harry dunn is "outfront." he confronted rioters that day, many who subjected him to racial slurs, screamed in his face. and you are speaking to me in your personal capacity. so the development here about pat cipollone getting a subpoena to appear. so as you know, officer, cassidy hutchison testified that pat cipollone directly, in a conversation with her, said, you know, you can't let the president go to the capitol. you can't let that happen. because there will be serious legal consequences, all sorts of charges could happen. and then she tes

when giuliani was around as cassidy hutchinson testified urn oath. our answers to those questions relevant to this testimony today? >> did rudy giuliani ever suggest that he was interested or receiving a presidential pardon related to january 6? >> he did. >> did white house chief of staff mark meadows ever indicate he was interested in receiving a presidential pardon related to january 6? >> he did seek that pardon, yes, ma'am. >> what exactly did giuliani and meadows feel they needed pardons for? we reach out to them for comment. they didn't respond. giuliani tweeted minutes ago that he told president trump he didn't want or need a pardon. we should note of course he didn't tweet under oath. many bomb shells came together. we will see if others come in future hearings. >> another historic day here in washington. thank you. thank you all the guests. the news continues, don lemon picks it up right after this. we water in your body to unblock your gut. ...free your gutut. and your mood will follow. this summer, dinosaurs are in our world. pet dinosaur

he was responding in real time to cassidy hutchinson's testimony on his website, truth social. he said that many of the things that hutchinson said simply were not true according to his recollection. one of the things he said is that he barely new hutchinson. this despite the fact that she testified about her very close proximity to the oval office itself and donald trump. wolf? >> it's absolutely true. ryan nobles on capitol hill. thanks very much. there's certainly a lot to discuss with our analysts now. joining us, jeffrey toobin, jamie gangel, laura coates and cnn's senior law enforcement analyst, andrew mccabe. jamie, how stunning were all these revelations? >> cassidy hutchinson was the triple threat. she really was a strong witness. she was credible. she had access. she had no ax to grind. she was a loyal trump person and she came in there today and it was bombshell after bombshell, whether it was about his wanting to let people through the mags with guns down at the rally or some of the comments just in real time hearing. top white house officials like pat cipollone kne

cassidy hutchinson, 26 years old, she sat just down the hall from the oval office. a loyal trump aide, she testified about when she became concerned, scared about what could happen on january 6th. the disturbing incidents she says she witnessed. four days before january 6th, she said she escorted rudy giuliani out of the white house and that he asked her if she was excited about january 6th, saying the president would be going to the capitol. when she asked her own boss, former chief of staff mark meadows, about that, she testified he said, "there's a lot going on and things might get real, real bad on january 6th." then on the morning of january 6th, she testified reports started coming in of armed people at and near the rally. the committee revealing law enforcement reporting seeing pistols, rifles, even ar-15s. then hutchinson saying the former president was irate that the area wasn't full, saying that he didn't care they had weapons, "they're not here to hurt me, let them in." hutchinson testifying that the lead secret service agent robert engel and deputy chief

and her name is cassidy hutchinson. and they have so much information. >> yes. >> others have come forward. willie, we know so much of what happened on january 6 now inside of the white house because of cassidy. there are other people that will come forward. i know you brought up, before, the secret service testimony. there were people that were there, there were people that recounted it in front of the secret service agent. that secret service agent didn't say it wasn't true. which i think what you have in a case like that is secret service doesn't want to testify against any president that they're doing detail on. and i certainly understand that. >> yeah. >> but put that aside that and plates being thrown. >> against the wall. >> that's color commentary, okay? that's howard cosell, and that danny on "monday night football." the play-by-play is frank gifford. and this is the play-by-play. the play-by-play is donald trump knew there were heavily armed rioters that were moving towards his speech. he wanted secret service

this is firsthand testimony from cassidy hutchinson. it's the cleanest link we have so far between donald trump and the violence that ensued. this established he knew that crowd was not just angry, but armed. he knew they were not there to harm him. in fact, he felt secure enough that he said you can take down the mags, the metal detectors and he knew they were headed for the capitol. we have seen that speech that he made moments later on the ellipse, this puts that speech we're going to fight like hell, go to the capitol or else you won't have a country anymore this puts that speech in a whole new context. when you're thinking potential crimes, seditious conspiracy that means to try to interfere with a lawful function of government, counting the ballots in congress certainly counts by force. up until now that's been in question. if you credit cassidy hutchinson's testimony you have that force element. >> because he knew they were armed, knew they were trying to get into the mags and they couldn't. >> absolutely. that's what makes this

and it took -- cassidy is now 26. she was 24. shed to the be the one to tell him this really isn't appropriate to go. one of the footnotes. there were so many bombshells and cinematic moments. let's talk about the fact that she testified rudy's walking around talking about the oath keepers and the proud boys. my understanding is, in the hearings to come, you know better than anyone that we are going to see more and more of a connection between some of these gr groups and the white house is that time about rudy is an interesting starting point. >> it's so critical at this point that you raise. and for a couple of reasons. first of all the criminalty question. they've either been indicted or in the process of being prosecuted. tying it to those cases is significant. >> cases for seditious conspiracy. that's what oath boys and proud boys have been charged. the leaders. go ahead. >> you're fine. that's a critical point what they've been charged for. this potentially charges rudy giuliani and others to those crimes. and from a politic

>> i feel like i worked closely with cassidy. she was a prominent figure in the west wing in the trump administration. she was the gate keeper to meadows. everybody who worked there or familiar with the senior circles and the administration knows she was a dedicated, loyal staffer. and she was mark meadows right hand person. and i commend her. it took incredible strength of character to stand there on the witness stand by herself doing public testimony. with the entire nation watching you. knowing what is to come. she was inside the white house. when i couldn't go publicly. she has seen firsthand what they'll say and trash your name and disparage you and try their best to discredit you. there's no discrediting her. she worked in republican circles. this is her life and career thus far and she took a stand for our country regardless of that. regardless of personal cost to her. and i commend her. i commend her bravery and commend her ability to stand there on her own when so many others have cowered and will not do that and tell th

by now that's been blown out of the water for two reasons by cassidy hitch insulin cassidy hutchinson. first, and most importantly, we are not talking about hindrance of the proceeding. we are talking about violence and force. and under the federal code, that means we are expressly in seditious conspiracy and inciting a riot land. that's precisely the element that distinguishes it. that's for starters. what about this guilty intent? you said at the top maybe it is still a little murky? it is not the slightest bit murky and for the reasons you say. not only does he find out -- or at least meadows and others -- know in advance, giuliani, january 3rd. it still doesn't matter because we know for a fact -- and that's without regard, as you say, to the sort of sideshow of, did he grab the wheel and the clavicle or not? hews they are armed, he wants to lead them. he is not simply accepting, he wants to foment and be this odd, napoleonic figure, sweeping in with violent thugs in the weird horns, et cetera behind him. that is seditious conspiracy. that is inciting a riot, as the find in the fe

this is after the cassidy hutchinson testimony. it must have been surreal to get all of that information in. to put it down on paper, it had to be surreal. i was never imagining that i would be writing this about a president of the united states for the new york times. >> you have worked with a number of presidents. i have covered about five. in book form, i don't think there's anything quite comparable. richard nixon, in his final days, was potentially unstable and dangerous enough to where the defense secretary had no orders coming from the white house, just to check. they showed the press secretaries. what we are seeing here in the testimony from cassidy hutchinson, and will we have seen from other people who were in the room, we have discovered in reporting for our own book on president donald trump this fall, it's more than any other president we have seen in terms of the voluntarily erratic behavior. we have seen some medicating qualities as described from people around him. they were afraid of triggering his temper. they wer

cassidy hutchinson was in the power center of any west wing. that is the person who knows everything about everything. what do you make of the unwillingness or the -- i mean, i think it looks cowardly, of all these people's superiors, from the pence side, mike pence hasn't come in, has left his deputies to testify. on the west wing side, on the trump side, cassidy has testified, but cipollone won't, even though his deputies have. i mean, what do you make of the cowardice of the most senior staffers on trump's team? >> it's disheartening,righ you know, mark meadows, to redeem himself in the eyes of american history, what he would do is come into the congress and tell us everything that he knew. you know, i -- i think back on the number of people who facilitated this. think of john bolton. that's a name that hasn't come up a lot lately, but john bolton, had he said during the impeachment hearings what we now know to be true, who knows? maybe this president would have been removed from office. but he didn't. instead, he decided he would wait to wr

let's remember what cassidy said. she said this is a story that tony told her. in front of bobby who never disputed it. >> she never said it happened just said -- we will get into him. give me historical perspective here. at the end, the bottom fell out when it came to richard nixon. people realized, i can't do it anymore. i can't defend this guy anymore. >> particularly with the smoking gun tape. it was clear he was a criminal. that all of this had occurred and he ran the cover up. and he was responsible for letting these terrible events happen. in which he tried to undermine the electoral system in the country. and nothing had happened like that before. now, we're in a new place, with a different president who has gone even further. who is a seditious president. not just criminal. what we heard today was she nailed the case against the most criminal president leading a conspiracy. that we have seen in our history. a criminal president against the constitution of the united states. seditious conspiracy. you have to go back to jefferson davis and the civil war.

not surprisingly, cassidy hutchinson's credibility now being attacked by trump supporters. late today, her lawyers issued this statement saying, quote, ms. hutchinson stands by all the testimony she provided yesterday, under oath to the select committee, to investigate the january six committee on the united states capitol. just a short time ago, the reagan library, committee vice chair liz cheney spoke about the [inaudible] and it's meaning for our democracy. >> at this moment, we are confronting a domestic threat that we have never faced before. and that is, a former president who is attempting to unravel the foundations of our constitutional republic. >> and he is aided by republican leaders and elected officials who made themselves willing hostages to this dangerous and irrational ma'am. >> with that, let's get smarter with the help of our lead off panel, jacqueline alemany, congressional one vest against reporter for the washington post, luke broadwater, pulitzer prize-winning congressional reporter for the new york times and nyu law school professor melissa murray. sh

>> well, so cassidy was i think a very compelling wince, very strong witness. she wasn't tested by cross-examination, but she was very calm. her demeanor is a thing people will look to to see if she was credible and i think she was very credible. she was very particular in describing three categories of people. people who were trying to get donald trump to stop doing what they were boog, the people who were neutral, and the people deflecting flame. it sounds like a little bit enabling of donald trump's conduct on the 6th, leading up to the 6th, and immediately after the 6th. to the extent there was testimony she gave about mark meadows being sort of in cahoots with this idea of going to the capitol, even after knowing that law enforcement had been overrun, even after knowing the lawyers were suggesting criminal exposure, even after knowing that people in the crowd were armed and had body armor. things we can contribute to donald trump's mind and also mark meadows, i'm not saying it's a criminal case but you're inching closer to it. >> she was describing a conve

all i can say is that i found cassidy hutchinson to be a thoroughly credible witness. telling us what she saw, what she heard. she was very careful to differentiate when she was a participant in the conversation, or actions were related to her by others. she was careful to tell us what she didn't know. and as a former prosecutor, the meaning of those are all in a show of reliability, and credibility as a witness. i found her account to be very very credible. i also thought frankly. of all of her testimony what was most important and i found most shocking is that the presidents acknowledgment that -- or his understanding that these people end of the mob were armed, and when he was told they were armed, and they are potentially dangerous, his response was " take down the maga ". that he wanted this armed group to be able to march with him to the capital. that they weren't there to hurt him. and later, in the white house, when he was in a position of safety, and was told that they were chanting hang mike pence. his response was basically, pence deserves. it to me as a for

been a bit more than 24 hours since cassidy hutchinson testified. does it feel like a tipping point to you politically or legally? what do you make of your testimony? >> you know, anderson, i can't speak to the legal tipping point. feels politically that i felt over the last several months that more and more what i'm going to call principled republicans, moderate republicans, were saying to each other, you know, i really hope donald trump doesn't run. he really shouldn't run. it would not be good if he runs. and i think if there's been a tipping point, it's that a lot more of them have listened to this testimony, especially the fact that the president allegedly encouraged armed protesters to take the capitol, even wanted to lead them at one point, and are now concluding he must not run. the dilemma for them -- i don't have any sympathy for this dilemma -- is that they want to retain trump's base without trump. and it's called the ron desantis solution. but it's going to be very difficult because trump will not go quietly into this good night. >> you

cassidy hutchinson. liz cheney has behind her a whole bunch of former u.s. attorneys and assistant u.s. attorneys who have done as far as what we've seen so far an incredibly thorough investigation. let me show you something that jamie raskin said about how much faith and stock the committee put in hutchinson's testimony. >> i've not seen anything that has contradicted on the record anything that cassidy hutchinson said. i know there are now anonymously-sourced allegations about what someone is saying or someone might say that's very different from someone going under oath and contradicting it. i found her to be an entirely credible witness who spoke with great candor and honesty to the committee, but if other people have not interpretations of events and i would like to hear from them, as well and nobody has contradicted the central important evidence that came out yesterday. donald trump knew that he had heavily armed followers in the crowd and, in fact, wanted to wave them in and take down the metal d

that is who cassidy hutchinson is. and you may disagree with what she's reported, while serving as part of the trump administration, but she's an american, and she's a patriot. and i hope the american people understand that today, because what she did today, it takes big courage, and she knows that more will come, because she was on the inside, watching me when i came forward. and i'm sure she heard it all of what they said about me, and she, the security concerns that she's facing today, that's not gonna fade. that's gonna fall on her for quite some time. her life has forever changed. >> i was struck by the dynamic between her and list cheney. and thinking of, knowing her biography, that she worked in the house before the white house, she served in steve police staff in the house as an intern, just starting out. and i'm just imagining, young republican staffer, woman in the house, who just arrived. she had been an intern in washington before, but there she was. and in those movements, through those hallways of the hou

cassidy hutchinson recounted mr. trump over turning tables in fits of rage. >> and mark meadows' detachment the 6th. and here's about efforts to get the former president to stop the violence that day. >> not long after the rioters broke into the capitol, you described what happened with white house counsel, pat. >> no more than a minute, minute and a half later, i see pat barrelling towards the office and said is mark in his office? and i said yes. he looked at me and started shaking his head. and went over opened mark's office door, stood with the door propped open and mark is on his phone. i remember he's still sitting on his phone. and i remember pat saying to him something to the effect of the rioters have got to the capitol, mark. we need to go see the president now. and mark said he doesn't want to do anything, pat. and pat said something to the effect of and very clearly said this to mark. something to the effect of mark, something needs to be done or people are going to die and the blood'ses going to be on yo

sources telling cnn trump's allies tried to influence the january 6th's committee's star witness, cassidy hutchinson and liz cheney says that is something they should look at. plus, president biden tearing into the supreme court, now urging congress to change the rules over the abortion decision, and the mother of an american captured in ukraine speaking to her son today. she's our guest, let's go "outfront." good evening, everyone, i'm kate bolduan in for erin burnett, tonight, witness tamperings. cassidy hutchinson said someone in trump's world tried to influence her testimony to the panel and we know now, one of the two examples of possible witness intimidation presented to the committee in that block buster hearing was in fact sent to hutchinson, mark meadow's former aide. >> what they said to me is as long as i continue to be a team player, they know i'm on the right team. i'm doing the right thing, i'm protecting who i need to protect. you know i'll continue to stay in good graces in trump world. and they have reminded me a couple of times that trump does read transcripts, and just

it has coming from cassidy hutchinson. apart from the pardons, even though some are saying she might be mistaken, you have representative brooks who says up to 100 republicans may have asked for pardons during the times around january 6. we know that cassidy hutchinson, she was the aide who was given the information that former president trump said that maybe it was okay to hang mike pence and maybe his supporters who were tracking the hallways of capitol hill, trying to get at mike pence, trying to murder mike pence, at one point that former president trump said, maybe it was okay, because he was so angry. she's someone who is very, very interesting. someone who is going to be key to listen to. i think it's interesting to hear how she has had to weather being front and center. part of this being a surprise hearing. it's that she was shrouded in secrecy. part of the reporting is they were worried about her personal security. that connects to what we heard from other witnesses, including shea and her mother ruby who were ta

yesterday, huge revelations from cassidy hutchinson's testimony. next. your record label is taking off. but so is your sound engineer. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates matching your job description. visit indeed.com/hire the minions are coming to ihop. with an all new menu you're going to love. ♪ ♪ excuse me! enjoy the minions menu at ihop. for a limited time kids eat free! and catch minions: the rise of gru. >>> a good wednesday morning to you. i'm jim sciutto reporting from the nato summit in madrid in spain. >> and i'm poppy harlow in new york. right now, we are closely monitoring the supreme court where the justices are set to release new opinions this morning. we'll bring you those as soon as we get them. we are also following stunning testimony from the hearing yesterday. cassidy hutchinson painting a picture of a furious donald trump on the day of the insurrection. she testified the president wanted to join those who marched armed to the capitol. this despite warnings fr

talk about the portrait of the president that cassidy hutchinson laid out today. >> cassidy hutchinson today her testimony made this i believe, this investigation the january 6 investigation the most significant by congress since the senate watergate investigation of 1973. because she put the president in a criminal conspiracy. she made it clear that for the white house the violence on capitol hill on january 6 was premeditated. she made it clear that people around the president were trying to get him to stop the violence. we have wanted now since january 6 to understand those critical hours. when the very small group of capitol police officers were trying to protect those who were protecting our votes. and we were trying to figure out why didn't the white house do anything. why did it take the president so long to speak to us. cassidy hutchinson has now begun the process of laying the ground work for us to understand it. and, as john and nick have both just said, we now need to know much more and we need to hear from both pat cipollone and mark meadows. what's the portrait of trump? w

all i can say is that i found cassidy hutchinson to be a thoroughly credible witness. telling us what she saw, what she heard. she was very careful to differentiate when she was a participant in the conversation, or actions were related to her by others. she was careful to tell us what she didn't know. and as a former prosecutor, the meaning of those are all in a show of reliability, and credibility as a witness. i found her account to be very very credible. i also thought frankly. of all of her testimony what was most important and i found most shocking is that the presidents acknowledgment that -- or his understanding that these people end of the mob were armed, and when he was told they were armed, and they are potentially dangerous, his response was " take down the maga ". that he wanted this armed group to be able to march with him to the capital. that they weren't there to hurt him. and later, in the white house, when he was in a position of safety, and was told that they were chanting hang mike pence. his response was basically, pence deserves. it to me as a for

we heard what cassidy hutchinson had to say? >> this puts the secret service in a very uncomfortable spot right now. they don't like to be in the media in part of the story. they want to focus on protection. what they did do is they came out and said they will make those agents who were available in the vehicle available for, you know, testimony under oath. so again we'll get first-hand account of what did happen, whether or not there was a lunge or assault against a secret service agent. but what the testimony yesterday did confirm was that the secret service went through a process to assess the risk of actually going up to the capitol. and i think that's a very critical point to key in on right now. is that well before the group from the ellipse moved to the capitol, they were already assessed as being an elevated threat. so the special agent in charge is thinking of two things, likelihood and consequence. what is the likelihood that violence would escalate at the capitol? he made a determination, a very high likelihood? what

cassidy, i trust her word. she was there under oath. tony tony ornato, who told her this story, has not denied it. if he testifies before the committee, i don't think he would purger himself, but i have been on the receiving end of him saying i lied about something. i've seen him to be somebody who's willing to lie for the former president. cassidy has everything to lose and she's doing what's right for her country. and the rest of her testimony is going to be able to be corroborated, i believe. >> that's a huge thing to say that you think somebody from the secret service in his position would at least skirt the truth. >> i think people need to keep in mind he's career secret service but he's political appointee in his role as deputy chief of staff. i wouldn't be shocked, to be honest with you, if in six months he ends up in some trump aligned group. this is a political person we're talking about. >> that is something to look out for. john dean, you have been there and done this during the watergate hearings, as we mentioned earlier. co

will they defend the president or corroborate what cassidy said yesterday. my guess is many of them probably take the fifth. but the opportunity is there. it's not a fair hearing, it's a political hearing. i get that, but it's hard to say your side is not getting out there, your argument is not getting out there, when you people won't go and talk. >> cassidy hutchinson gave remarkable testimony about chief of staff mark meadows seemingly unwilling to engage. what did you make of her recollection that, you know, she or tony ornoto or pat cipollone, people were trying to tell him things and he was sitting on th sophie, scrolling on the phone, unresponsive, especially when they were trying to tell meadows about the threat of violence? >> that struck me personally. that's my sofa, i used that sophie, it was my office, my fireplace he was sitting by. i understand exactly what the dynamics are there. the visual image of cassidy coming to the door, maybe with pat there, or pat there a little afterwards and trying to talk to mark and mark not even looking up, accord

the cassidy hutchinson is just 26 years old, but she had that up close and unparalleled access to the president and top white house officials in those final months of trump's term. she was the top aide to chief of staff mark meadows and with her office just steps from the west wing she witnessed stunning interactions surrounding january 6th. >> the evening was the first moment that i remember feeling scared and nervous for what could happen on january 6th, and i had a deeper concern for what was happening with the planning aspects of it. >> reporter: cassidy hutchinson chronicling the days and hours leading up to the january 6 capitol attack. the former senior aide to white house chief of staff mark meadows recalling a meeting between rudy giuliani and mark meadows on january 2nd. >> i remember looking at him saying, rudy, could you explain what's happening on the 6th? he had responded something to the effect of we're going to the capitol, it's going to be great, the president is going to be there, he's going to look powerful. i went back up to our office and i found mr. meadows in hi

cipollone said something to the effect of please make sure we don't go up to the capitol, cassidy. keep in touch with me. we're going to get charged with every crime imaginable if we make that movement happen. >> and this morning, a whole new possible avenue of an investigation, possible witness tampering. this after vice chair liz cheney revealed these messages received by some witnesses before their depositions. joining us now is a member of the january 6th select committee, democratic congressman pete aguilar of california. congressman, thank you for being with us. let's start with those messages that vice chair liz cheney revealed to the country yesterday, to witnesses that were to appear before your committee for depositions. do you believe they constitute witness tampering? >> yes, i do. i think that's something that should be looked at by our committee and potentially by the department of justice. i don't think it's lost on anyone that, you know, the former president, you know, has behavior like we heard yesterday. but specific to our witnesses, we take incredibly seriously

the trump administration white house staffer, named cassidy hutchinson. she had an office inside the west wing. she was a special assistant to president trump, and an adviser to white house chief of staff mark meadows. she worked very closely with mark meadows on a day-to-day basis. at the outset of the hearing, interestingly, that investigations chairman, congressman benny thompson, despite a little map, showing how the west wing's laid out, to show both how small overall the west wing is, and also, how cassidy hutchinson's desk was physically right in the middle of the action that she described during her testimony today. it ended up being unexpectedly helpful, piece of orientation, and that was a recurring theme today. that idea of physical proximity, understanding the geography and the geometry of where people were, how physical spaces were laid out. that ended up being a recurring helpful theme in today's hearing, in today's testimony. there was a key point today in understanding that today's witness had her desk, just outside the office of the white

visit copdsos.org. >> cassidy hutchinson testimony today, shocking. even after everything we have seen and heard. and every president manning to go to the capital and saying and i'm quoting here, i am the president, the supporters were armed with a demand they be taken away because they insisted they were not there to hurt him. vertical analyst and co-author of this will not pass, trump, biden, and the battle for america's future. also legal analyst corey cordero and political commentator charlie dent. good to see all of you, thank you so much for joining. hutchinson testified to hearing discussions about the proud boys, oath keepers, whenever rudy giuliani was around the time of the planning of the january 6 raleigh, and also testified that trump told mark meadows to ask allies at the willard hotel what was going to happen on that day. listen to this. >> do you know if mr. meadows ever intended to go to the hotel on the night of the six? it was mr. meadows had a conversation with me where he wanted me to work with secret service on a moving from the

because cassidy hutchinson's testimony fully justified the subpoena to trump white house counsel pat cipollone that the committee issued today. the last time a president was destroyed by a congressional investigation, the white house counsel was a key witness. richard nixon's white house counsel, john dean, helped bring down the nixon presidency, with his testimony in the watergate hearings. and now it looks like pat cipollone could be the witness who locks in donald trump's guilt for the january 6th committee. when presidents break the law, the white house counsel knows. the white house counsel's job is to prevent presidents from breaking the law, among other things. that is to say, prevent them from breaking the law intentionally or, as can happen, unintentionally. when someone in the white house has a bright idea, like banning all muslims from entering the country, it is the white house counsel's job to say, we can't do that, that's unconstitutional. the white house counsel is not the president's personal lawyer. the white house counsel does not represent the president as a lawyer

this is cassidy hutchinson talking about what trump wanted to add to his speech. this is cut six for my producers of what he wanted to add to the speech he was reluctantly going finally give on january 7th. >> there were several lines that didn't make it in there about prosecuting the rioters or calling them violent. he didn't want that in there. he wanted to put it in that he wanted to potentially pardon them. and just with the increased emphasis of his mind set at the time, which was he didn't think they did anything wrong. >> so he thought about wanting to pardon the people who were attacking the capitol. then he got people asking him for pardons. and according to cassidy hutchinson, mo brooks, matt gaetz, andy biggs, louie gohmert, scott perry, marjorie taylor greene, mark meadows, and rudy giuliani were seeking pardons. there's broad knowledge that criminality had taken place. you know, the republican sort of twitter official twitterdom has tried to dismiss this testimony today as no biggy, but it seems like they all thought it was a biggy at the time. >> wit

what are the legal implications today of cassidy hutchinson's stunning testimony. she detailed donald trump's erratic behavior surrounding the violence at the capitol, and what his top aides were doing. congresswoman liz cheney now turning up the pressure on pat cipollone to testify after hutchinson revealed that cipollone was worried that he and trump's entire team would face a litany of criminal charges if trump went to the capitol on january 6th. >> hutchinson said the president knew his supporters were armed and trying to join them. there are also new questions, though, about the former white house aide's claims that trump lunged for the steering wheel of his presidential suv when secret service agents told him he couldn't go to the capitol. now the secret service tells the committee that agents are willing to dispute that story under oath. cnn's ryan nobles is on capitol hill. ryan, big day for the committee. do we know what's next? >> reporter: well, there's no doubt, victor, and alson that the committee seems to be razor focused on pat cipollone the former w

that is who cassidy hutchinson is. and you may disagree with what she's reported, while serving as part of the trump administration, but she's an american, and she's a patriot. and i hope the american people understand that today, because what she did today, it takes big courage, and she knows that more will come, because she was on the inside, watching me when i came forward. and i'm sure she heard it all of what they said about me, and she, the security concerns that she's facing today, that's not gonna fade. that's gonna fall on her for quite some time. her life has forever changed. >> i was struck by the dynamic between her and list cheney. and thinking of, knowing her biography, that she worked in the house before the white house, she served in steve police staff in the house as an intern, just starting out. and i'm just imagining, young republican staffer, woman in the house, who just arrived. she had been an intern in washington before, but there she was. and in those movements, through those hallways of the hou