republican officials in georgia. the same sentiment was how republican voters flocked with donald trump there tried to arm the same power that it's been hard for the candidates. who was defeated by brian kemp he had a real challenge with that because he had been a three term lieutenant government he was been a fixture of the state x-uppercase-letter who he was. to see those forces be turned against him the same sense that got him to be the front runner on the republican side in 2018 was turned against him just a few years later. >> at that appeal to the conservative base because of dissatisfaction with the base but the status quo and the gop? >> it is a feeling folks are being left behind. they are being forgotten. their values are not being embraced. it is a lot like donald trump's line in 2016 fighting for the forgotten man. there's a lot of voters especially in rural georgia feel like they are being forgotten. even though the people in power often times rural white georgians just like them. it mentioned the desire

will russia invade georgia? actually, it's very difficult - to predict what will russia be doing in one week, one month. actually, we live in an era which which is very, - very different from era i which which we had a five or ten years ago. right. and now we can't predict. what will happen tomorrow. and this because you have| a neighbour which is called russia. georgia is perceived as giving mixed messages to the world on their support of ukraine. so my question is this — what is the government's formal position and do they publicly condemn all aspects of this invasion? can ijust give a bit of context? i'm going to come to you first on that particular question. but your prime minister said publicly, georgia does not support western sanctions, although i know in practice you kind of do adhere to the financial sanctions and so on. and yet tbilisi backs all the un resolutions condemning russian aggression. so you do have these mixed messages? we don't have mixed messages. i don't recall the prime minister saying

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he likes being in georgia. i don't love those republicans seem tame washington, that's become the standard most, how much they hate washington but we've heard from a lot of congress members much they don't like washington still run every two years to get up there. >> that's very true. one of the main talking points from democrats has been that they perhaps not win because there was something wrong with the system. maybe there was site but some type of advantage that republicans had that was unfair or unethical are you seeing much conversation among the democratic party about reflecting on what they actually did do wrong thatled to their defeat ? >> in 2018. there was concern that the system if not use of the word rigged was set against them. because you had a republican, brian was secretary of anstate and that means he oversaw the election system in georgia. even as he was republican secretary of state he was still running for governor and would not step down despite calls from stacy abrams and many allies that

parenthesis a state races the race about the future of georgia, georgia will retreat our public workers, public safety workers, teachers, anyone who should be doing the best for our communities deserve the best from our government police on my website stacy abrams.com to learn more about my plan for georgia. >> look forward to the conversation we appreciate you being here today.

they defrauded us out of a win in georgia. and we're not going to forget it. >> so the state of georgia is where we will turn our attention to next. i want to emphasize that our investigation into these issues is still ongoing. as i stated in our last hearing, if you have relevant information or documentary evidence to share with the select committee, we welcome your cooperation. but we will share some of our findings with you today. secretary raffensperger, thank you for being here today. you've been a public servant in georgia since 2015, serving first as member of the georgia house of representatives, and then since january 2019 as george's secretary of state. as a self described conservative republican, is it fair to say you wanted president trump to win the 2020 election? >> yes it is. >> mister secretary, many witnesses have told the select committee that election date november 3rd, 2020, was largely uneventful day in their home states. in spite of the challenges of conducting an election during a pandemic he wrote in th

no polling we've done here in georgia, shows that most republicans in georgia still believe that trump is right. somebody says that the alleged was stolen. now where it may make a difference and probably will make a difference, will be in writing what the history books are going to say about this. and also, i think bring in and perhaps of maybe make it more difficult for trump if he decides to try to run in 2024 by changing the attitudes and confirming the belief of se, independence without forming, committed either party, be convincing them of the audacity of what crop was trying to do is leave early galaxy and therefore convincing that swing side of the allies. but no, he should never be in public office again. it's been really good to talk to professor many thanks again for being with. charles spoke with the university if georgia esco live at the capitol hill, algiers. hydro, castro is that force? how do you, what do you make of what we've heard so far? wagering it's, it's interesting and important to keep in mind that just as the professor said, this isn't without the eyes of histo

we'll hear from folks in georgia. brad raffensperger gave sterling, the secretary of state and his deputy, and shay moss who was elections worker in georgia involved in, shouldn't say involved, at the center of what some described as a conspiracy theory. election worker that didn't do anything wrong but found herself subject of threats from those on the far right that believes the theory about a suitcase of ballots. frank, we look at one of the next threads, one will have to do with chief of staff mark meadows. we heard from somebody close to meadows, cassie hutchinson. first time we have seen on camera. she has spoken extensively to the select committee. and it is likely we will see new evidence relating to meadows and the plot in georgia if you will, his involvement. frank? >> i can't help but notice this is looking increasingly like a kind of criminal enterprise, trump at the head of an organized crime family, meadows, people like giuliani and certain members of congress we mentioned carrying out the acts, getting

victory in georgia. well today raffensperger explained in plain english for the whole world to see, exactly why trump lost that state. >> what happened in fall of 2020 is that 28,000 georgians skipped the presidential race, and yet they voted down ballot in other races. and the republican congressman ended up getting 33,000 more votes than president trump. and that's why president trump came up short. the numbers are the numbers, the numbers don't lie. we had many allegations and we investigated every single one of them. >> that's a damning burn right there. people showed up to vote, and they showed up to vote for republicans, just not him. trump attourney general, bill barr, also gave the committee private testimony about there being no voter fraud in georgia, and he says they made sure, he made sure the president knew it. >> we took a look a hard look ourselves, and based on our review of it, including the interviews of the key witnesses, the fulton county allegations were, had no merits. and i told th

there will also be two republicanth state officials fr georgia, youia probably know th georgia story better, that's, you know, trump calling up the secretary of state in georgia and demanding, basically in threatening the secretary of state that he needed to throw out just enough biden votes or somehow mysteriousy find just enough trump votes for the secretary of state's office to be able to say oh, actually the result here in georgia has flipped ant secretary of state, his office wouldn't go along with it, and then trump sicced his supporters on the georgia officials and then the deputy secretary of state's office, gabriel sterling in front microphone, he gave his own public press conference in december, not only were p the fraud claims against georgia false, he said president trump's attack on the election, and the people who administer is was going to get people killed. gay brel sterling went to the public with that warning. he said that in december 20, 20. just before the january 6th attack. and just as rusty bowers was right in that press release earlier that month, gabriel ster

what has happened in georgia since all of that. that can give us more confidence that that couldn't happen again. >> unfortunately, georgia remains in the center of conversations about voter protection and voter integrity, in part because, while we had two leaders who did the right thing for one day on the issue of certifying that election, brian kemp and brad raffensperger had been part of the dog whistle approach to amplifying those very same challenges. the passages of espy 202 was a direct response to january 6th. it bought into the notion that there was a lack of integrity in our elections and us something had to be done. and their decision was to suppress the very voters in 2020 in 2021, to make their voices heard, some for the very first time. while she we should applaud anyone who does their job, we should not line is those who do their jobs on one day but spend the rest of their careers undermining voting rights and sadly, that's what we've seen with wright camp and raffensperger. >> -- barr sent fbi agents to georgia to q

next guests is from georgia. i'm dying to say whashe will say about how she would handle as governor any effort to gulate abortion in state. this was won through the ball lot box by conrvatives and we're not gonna leliberals intimidate the rule of law syem to take it away from us. >> it certainly has lit a fire under politicians on capitol hill, and they're going to use this as an opportunity in the midterms. here's nancy pelosi talking about how she viewed that decision on friday. watch. >> a woman's right to choose, reproductive freedom, is on the ballot in november. we cannot allow them to take charge so that they can institute their goal, which is to criminalize reproductive freedom, to criminalize. >> to criminalize reproductive freedom. you've got very tight senate races in arizona, nevada, georgia, new hampshire. this will be a powerful line of debate. >> this will be issues we talk about when we elect senators and members of the state houses and governors. it's not going to change the 2022 outcome. most a

as georgia's secretary of state. as a self-described conservative republican, is it fair to say that you wanted president trump to win the 2020 election? >> yes, it is. >> mr. secretary, many witnesses have told the select committee that election day, november 3rd, 2020, was a largely uneventful day in their home states. in spite of the challenges of conducting an election during a pandemic, you wrote in "the washington post" that election was, quote, successful. tell us what was your impression of how election day had proceeded in georgia. >> on election day in november, our election went remarkably smooth. in fact, we'd meet at the gima headquarters. that's the georgia management association meeting location. but we were following wait times in line. in the afternoon our average wait times was three minutes statewide that we were recording for various precincts. at the end of the day, we felt we had a successful election from the administration of the election. >> thank you. the chair recognizes the gentleman from

you've been a public servant in georgia since 2015, serving first as a member of the georgia house of representatives, and then since january 2019 as georgia's secretary of state. as a self-described conservative republican, is it fair to say that you wanted president trump to win the 2020 election? >> yes, it is. >> secretary, many witnesses have told the select committee that election day, november 3, 2020, was a largely uneventful day in their own states. in spite of the challenges of conducting an election during a pandemic, you wrote in "the washington post" that the election was "successful." tell us, what was your impression of how election day had proceeded in georgia? >> on election day in november, our election went remarkably smooth. in fact, we meet at the gema headquarters, meeting location, but we were following wait times in line and the afternoon, average wait time was three minutes statewide that we were recording for various precincts. actually got down to two minutes. and at the end of the day we felt we had a successful election from the standpoint of the administr

i want them to live in a prosperous and united georgia. when up on me that we see what is happening in ukraine, done a shallow w. i feel so sorry for them in both. should they hope innocent people are being killed in so many parents have lost their children? trash, religious toys or children shouldn't have to witness this order, provided me because sometimes i think would have war starts here to us. what will we do? deluxe filled, i pray we can all survive and live in a peaceful country well and ada. it's horrid sheet that eyelash movie video, hulu, hulu, hulu, hulu, roku. mm hm. hulu. okay, the last the will, it will, along with a peaceful, prosperous, ga. that's what her tuna jack, hayley and her family friends and colleagues are toasting. after a hard day's work on the wooded slopes of the lesser caucasus, where every year, the flowers that harold the arrival of spring, provide them with a little bit of much needed income. ah mm mm. oh hi there and welcome to sit with where summer sunshine in nature are abundant, but it can get really c

>> it's interesting, because you look at georgia, and you could say the headline election in georgia, or primary election, was obviously, the gubernatorial primary a few weeks ago. trump's, you know, went after kemp, got crushed, went to the secretary state, got crushed. his candidate to lose to ninth, but like i say, the winning candidates will be running on pro trump messages, so hard to read into that. >> thank you, steve. steve kornacki gets tonight's last word. the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts now. last word. the 11th hour with >> tonight, the stunning new details of trump's full campaign in critical swing states. to overturn the 2020 election.

we're going to build one georgia. a georgia that reflects the needs of the state, but also the opportunity to thrive for every single person in our state. >> republican turnout surged in the primaries and georgia. brian kemp won his race by more than 50 points. i think there were a lot of factors that contributed to that, but do you think that republican voters are more motivated, if you will, and do you think some republicans will vote for you? >> i think voters are very very excited about what is to come, but in different ways. right now, we don't have an enthusiasm gap, we have a trust gap. those who faced the hardest hit of the pandemic, every show and justice of the economic changes. they just don't know who to trust and who believe in. my responsibility is to reach out to them no matter how they voted in the past and show them that has the next governor, i intend to respond, but unfortunately the current governor failed to respond to the economic needs for so many georgians. he refused money for school lunches t

why georgia? well, georgia was a place that trump thought it was easy to convince people that there was something wrong going on, because how could it be that all of these black people would end up voting for joe biden? >> and john king, again, the quote is i just want to find 11,780 votes which is one more than they have because we won the state. it's incredible to me that so many republicans are still sticking with the president who is shaking down a secretary of state for the state's electoral votes. >> that's why the testimony from the loyal republicans is so important. you're going to hear the arizona house speaker saying i followed my oath and the constitution. you're going to have brad rafensberger say i follow my oath and the constitution. they followed math, truth, and the process which allowed audits and lawsuits. they did everything they could. can you breakthrough with the cd that trump's allies say he was just venting. he was upset he might have lost the election. he's just venting. n

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in the state of georgia in 2019 the legislature passed the georgia life law which puts in place a ban after six weeks or when the heartbeat is detected. but it was held up in court until now. now governor kemp said he believes it will go into effect soon. joining us now, georgia democrats stacy abrams who is running against governor kemp this november. welcome to fox news said it's good happy with this. >> thank you for having me. >> with regard to that law i know you said you were appalled by the outcome of the court's decision. but given the law that was voted in by the legislature in georgia, do you support the fact that they will carry out the will of the people in georgia and put that law at a six week ban into effect? >> i do not. i would reject the notion this is the will of the people per this is a political decision made by the narrowest of margins and done to satisfy an even narrower constituency. geordie of georgians rejected the notion of overturning roe v wade. they rejected this bill and this is not the law that will be safest for georgia women. what is more concerning t

there will also be to republican state officials from georgia, you probably know the georgia story better. that is, you know, trump calling up the secretary of state in georgia, and demanding, basically, threatening the secretary of state that he needed to throw out just enough biden votes, or somehow, mysteriously find just enough trump votes for the secretary of state's office to be able to say, oh, actually, the results here in georgia has flipped. and the secretary of state and his office wouldn't go along with it, and then, trump kicked his supporters on those georgia officials, and then, the deputy in secretary of state's office, and then named gabriel sterling, do you see there in front of the microphones, he gave his own public press conference in december, where he said not only where the fraud claims about georgia falls. he said president trump's attack on the election and the people who administer it was going to get people killed. gabriel sterling again, went to the public without warning. he said that, in december 2020, just before the january 6th attack. and just as rusty bo

primaries were hold in alabama, virginia, georgia and washington, d.c., on tuesday. in alabama, katt britt defeated congressmember mo brooks in the republican senate primary to replace the retiring senator richard shelby. donald trump had initially endorsed brooks who had helped organize the stop the steal rally where trump spoke just prior to the january 6 insurrection. but trump later withdrew his endorsement and backed britt after brooks told a crowd to put the 2020 election behind them. in election news from texas, a recount has confirmed henry cuellar, one of the most conservative democrats in congress, has defeated progressive challenger jessica cisneros in last month's house primary. he wonon by just under 300 vote. cuellar is a corporate-backed, anti-choice, pro-gun democrat who received backing from house speaker nancy pelosi and others in the democrat establishment. in january, the fbi raided his home as part of a corruption investigation. cuellar's campaign also got a major boost from aipac, the american israel public affairs committee. the group's super p

on january 5th, georgia did an amazing thing. it is a deep honor for me that people of georgia stood up, sent the first african american senator to the united senate, a kid you grew up in public housing. also, it is his first jewish senator. in one fell swoop i think somewhere in the glory of martin luther king junior and rabbi joshua, another moment of struggle, in which we had to move closer to our democracy when dr. king marched, they marched alongside one another. he said he felt like my legs were quitting. that is why we needed a woman like this, we need people engage in the struggle because as you know the next day a violent assault on the capitol, racist and academic science through our capital. police brutalized, this is just another american moment where we get to decide, are we going to get into the forces of division? people who have no vision engage in division. they are trying to divide us, trying to chapas up. my work has always been about bringing us together, creating and building a way out of no way. that is the

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we know brian kemp does not care about the women of georgia, the families in georgia, except when it's politically convenient. so, i believe this is a sharp distinction between us and i encourage every georgian to pay attention. >> stacey abrams, thanks for your time today. >> thanks for having me. >>> we should note that we invited georgia governor kemp to join us this weekend and he is welcome to join us on the show any time in the future. >>> world leaders condemn the overturning of roe v. wade in the united states. i'm going to ask british prime minister boris johnson his thoughts in our exclusive interview on the united states coming up and president biden on the global stage as war and a slowing economy stall leaders' plans. secretary of state antony blinken will join me here exclusively next. >> tech: cracked windshield? make it easy and schedule with safelite, because you can track us and see exactly when we'll be there. >> woman: i have a f few more minutes. let's go! >> tech vo: that's service that fits s your schedule. go to safelilite.com. >> singers: : ♪ safelite repai,

so a romance dish owes his new beginning to georgia. he sees his future here and the future of thousands of other decent russians as he calls his compatriots, who openly opposed to the war at gmail, dot com or i live, oh, or channel go as what we were deprived of many opportunities, many perspectives. welcoming our sister ph. that my sister's 14. i don't want her to tie her future to russia. yes, we have pushed any hotels that were your militia were brushing, like all russian citizens romance. dish can live in georgia for a year without a visa. he doesn't know what he'll do after that. in any case, he has turned his back on his home country for ever. ah ah, what does the polar jet stream have to do with climate change? one thing is clear, this strong current is slowing down. a team of researchers and spits dougen is searching for explanations. how are high and low pressure areas changing is the polar jet stream contributing to the warming of the arctic? tomorrow today. in 30 minutes on d. w. a pulse at the beginning of a story that move

next reports i live about hard business of the flower trade in georgia. thanks for staying with us to small coming out to station stories that most people of the world over information. they provide the opinions they want to express. g, w on facebook and twitter, up to date and in touch. follow us with this. mm mm. oh, mm hm. weight and cleaved 22000000 bulbs are leaving this warehouse in georgia and heading to customers in europe. there, they'll, flour into snow. drops the delicate flowers are hugely popular in europe. although few are aware where these much loved early bloomers come from. ah, fragrant and fragile spring snowflakes and snow drops for the 1st flowers to appear after the long caucasus winter. but for many georgians there more than just a pretty sight to her too. now, jackie li, their livelihood, or at least to be precise, their bulbs are every year in the 3 month snow drop season from march through may. she collects them on gay that we talked to. it's a hard job shell. ideally, it's not ruining my health, but i do get tired miss how much?

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infamous request in a recorded phone call >> dasha burns has more from georgia. i'm joined by tia mitchell. good to see you. we will hear from raffensperger as well as from his deputy, his top deputy gabe sterling. what more can they add to the narrative? >> i think they're going to add for the first time what that pressure campaign felt like to them, how it impacted how they went about their job. we know gabe sterling in real time talked about how he felt this election fraud misinformation campaign could lead to violence. those comments ended up being very important. we think they will talk about being strong conservatives and yet feeling that pressure to do what they felt was legal, not something that was proper and not called for after the general election. >> dasha, one of the questions all along, even as we have seen that the ratings on television have been more than some people expected, we have been wondering how voters were going to look at this. i know you have been talking to georgia voters to see how closely they are paying attention. especially to raf

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this is what former attorney general bill bar said to president trump about allegations in georgia. we took a look hard look at this ourselves and based on our review of it, including the interviews of the key witnesses, the fulton county allocations were had no merit. the the, the ballots under the table were legitimate bout ballots. they weren't in the suit case. they had been pre opened for eventually feeding into the machine all the stuff about the water leak and that there was some subterfuge involved. we felt there was some confusion, but, but there was no evidence of a subterfuge to create an opportunity to feed things into the account. and do so, we didn't see any evidence of frost in the fulton county episode and acting deputy attorney general richard donahue told donald trump this and i said something to you back there sir. we've done. does. ready investigations, hundreds of interviews. the major allegations are not supported by the evidence developed. mr. trump was told by his own advisors that he had no basis for his stolen election claims. and he continued to pressure s

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the rest he gets from local farmers. spring flowers are big business in western georgia. the unemployment rate here in the countryside is estimated at up to 40 percent there's only work in the spring months when the exporter can employ hundreds of seasonal workers. oh, loose on us. i. the hottest googled like how many people work here at the factory. explore, including security and accountant, and a botanist do do. showrooms was good. i've looked at it when we prepare our products for export. i give the label temporary jobs as well to leverage octomom. so i will go visual blue and we used the land of many local families, took 20 was or nearly 80 people as asha. since in this part of georgia, families tend to be large families at which will be able to once it got a plus, we hire more than $500.00 locals to gather the flowers. russelton's. as i was when a gospel just who talked with rose ah, in europe spring flowers from georgia or a $1000000.00 business. not only the dutch are crazy about them. in britain, there are whole spring flower fairs in themed tours. at an auction

because we won the state. >> and so now, in fact, georgia, in georgia the fulton county district attorney is investigating that phone call, and has convened a grand jury to look into possible charges. so we know what the house committee wants to do potentially, and what their hope is for the department of justice, but what kinds of crimes do you believe the district attorney in georgia would be looking at potentially? >> fred, i think that the atlanta da, bonnie willis, will be looking at georgia solicitation of election fraud. you can't ask for those 11,780 votes that don't exist. she prosecuted the atlanta teacher cheating scandal as a rico case, racketeer influence and corrupt organizations. in this case, that would be trump and the trump campaign. i think she'll do rico here, and i've written a long report at brookings on all the crimes. i think charges in georgia are looking increasingly likely. we often talk about the u.s. doj. that's important. but atlanta is the place where trump may finally face accountability. >> wow. that would be -- i mean, that's extraordinary, the president