>> well, i think liz cheney's goal is public service. i worked with liz cheney in 2000 and 2004. i've had criticisms of liz cheney, related to the iraq war and a number of other things i've had, of her. but i think she's much more worried. i mean, much more concerned about what happens with our democracy and our constitution than her political life. she is behind, as far as i can tell, she is behind. i don't dismiss the odds of her winning in that. i think her appeal to principled conservatism still does well but as i said earlier, she knows she's putting her political life on the line. and doing this on behalf of the constitution of the united states of america. and our democracy. and she is willing to lose her office because that's not the most important thing she holds dear, what she holds here as our country. >> standing for the constitution, than wyoming. carlos, when you watch tonight, it's unclear if it help the committee, or if it helped democrats. but it definitively did not help donald trump. if you are in florida tonight that's your home state -- if you are on desantis

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liz cheney is part of it. she is enabling it. donald trump is probably the first resident who actually volunteered to be president. he gave away all of his salary. everything he has done is to expose the swamp in washington. host: two hour democrats line. go ahead. caller: good morning. thank you for c-span. i am like the previous collars, i have to be selective because there are so many different things you could say about it. i watched the entire hearing. i thought it was very compelling. i like the way it was focused on planning ahead of time, which was very important. you can get at some of the people at the very top who were instrumental in creating this situation with this insurrection. it was fascinating. bill barr and ivanka is testimony was very revealing and compelling. you're not talking about people on one side of the fence. you are talking about people who were trump allies. they made it pretty clear that it was a bunch of crap. people don't understand the court system. you have to have some type of evidence before y

liz cheney is part of it. she is enabling it. donald trump is probably the first resident who actually volunteered to be president. he gave away all of his salary. everything he has done is to expose the swamp in washington. host: two hour democrats line. go ahead. caller: good morning. thank you for c-span. i am like the previous collars, i have to be selective because there are so many different things you could say about it. i watched the entire hearing. i thought it was very compelling. i like the way it was focused on planning ahead of time, which was very important. you can get at some of the people at the very top who were instrumental in creating this situation with this insurrection. it was fascinating. bill barr and ivanka is testimony was very revealing and compelling. you're not talking about people on one side of the fence. you are talking about people who were trump allies. they made it pretty clear that it was a bunch of crap. people don't understand the court system. you have to have some type of evidence before y

because they have given the finger to people like liz cheney . is liz cheney okay with that? we texted liz cheney on friday. are you okay with this? they directed arrested a 72 -year-old man. doesn't that cross a line? will you say something about it? she did not respond. the january 6 committee has jus hired a former producer of good morning america called james goldston. he will oversee the primetime hearings on thursday night. the show trial now has a production crew. they will be covering that in great detail on thursday. by arresting peter navarro they hope to shut up the local critics before it begins. peter navarro is a brave man wh is not shutting up. he joins us now for his first interview since being arrested. he is a former senior white house advisor and the author of taking back trump's america. he joins us now. thanks so much for coming on. how is this allowed? this is so outside the bounds. unless i am missing something, and if i am you will correct it. this is not how a civilized country behaves. did you see it coming? if not, how was it allowed to happen? >> c

i think that's what liz cheney would tell you. and the fact that it's been described as churchillian, the fact that it is being described as extraordinary says a lot about liz cheney. i think it says a lot more about just how intellectually and morally bankrupt liz's party is. >> well, you know, joe, i mean, january 6th, just to cite one day that we're talking about here this morning, shows that there was an extraordinary absence of courage, political courage, and there was an extraordinary semblance and an arrival of character among some people. liz cheney is specifically included in that as having character. general mark milley has character. character is an all-important function in people who are supposedly in charge of our government. liz cheney's role in this was defined, i think, for all time last night by her comment that, you know, you'll live in dishonor forever. i don't remember what the exact phrase was. she has covered herself in glory. she has covered herself clothed in character. she has risked her political future,

liz cheney, she is a rino. i mean, look at liz cheney's record. liz cheney prior to january 6, prior to donald trump, you don't get into republican leadership like liz cheney was, third ranking republican, by being a moderate within the party. that's not how it works. >> but if you are going to buck donald trump, whether that's voting for impeachment which is the ultimate sin i think as he sees it or just be a critic like nancy mace, it seems like the key is to totally focus on your district, hyper local. >> exactly. nancy mace didn't vote for impeachment but was very vocal in her criticism of trump after january 6, she had other problems that were problematic in trump's eyes but since then she went down to trump tower and recorded a saying i was one of his early supporters and i support all of his policies and trying to focus on the issues. >> if you voted to impeach you are not running on it. >> oh, gosh, no. >> you knew at the time that you weren't maybe going to do this because this was going to put your political future in jeopardy. >> the fa

adam kinzinger and liz cheney are republicans. it's just not people who are going to tell you it's not raining outside when it is. >> reporter: you know, don, it's important to point out that just because liz cheney and adam kinzinger don't necessarily agree that it was okay for donald trump to pedal a big lie about the election results, that somehow doesn't make them conservative. their voting records will tell you a complete opposite story. liz cheney voted with donald trump on, i think, 80% of the time when he was president and she was a member of congress. it's this specific issue that they found to have a problem with, and again, it gets back to the idea, if you have a problem with what the committee is saying, make that argument based on the substance of what they are presenting. they are laying out hard evidence here, and if you got an alternative explanation for w why -- the way this evidence is being interpreted, present that. don't just try and come up with some other argument that doesn't really have anything to do with

cheney's mind and you're exactly right that liz cheney is the one that has conceived of how these hearings are structured. liz cheney is the one who is driving so much of this and the democrats, to their credit, have realized that it's important to have her be the one out there and doing this. she is, for whatever donald trump and his acolytes and kevin mccarthy want to call her, she is a lifelong republican and a true conservative, and she was horrified by what she saw and remains horrified and wants to not necessarily lay the groundwork for a prosecution of donald trump, although i don't think she would mind that, she wants to make -- create a situation where it is impossible, inconceivable that he would ever be a major party nominee for president again and certainly never be president again. >> yeah. jackie, that is evidenced in the tightness of these hearings and the presentation of evidence. one of the things that was shaken loose either coincidentally or through the process that was under way at the same time that the public hearings started was the committee gaining possession of fo

the statement was issued by chairman bennie thompson and vice chair liz cheney. the select committee's investigation has revealed evidence that mr. cipollone repeatedly raised other and legal concerns about president trump's activities of january 6th and while the select committee appreciates mr. cipollone's earlier informal engagement with our investigation, with the ball now squarely in cipollone's quote the new york times is out with some important reporting, quote, the subpoena of a white house counsel a rare step for a congressional committee sent a clear signal of the aggressive tactics the panel is willing to use to force the cooperation of the white house top lawyer who could likely invoke attorney-client privilege in response to many questions. the committee has at times used the leverage of a subpoena or the leverage it creates to force witnesses to negotiate a deal for their cooperation. discussions about the scope of a possible appearance are expected to begin soon. lawyer familiar with cipollone's deliberations who was not authorized to speak on the

the first was liz cheney. said openly that they had the intelligence reports three or four days earlier. how can you blame trump if, in fact, there were intelligence reports three or four days earlier with extremist gangs who wanted to come and cause violence? second, the photographer that they brought income at the documentary filmmaker said that he was with the proud boys and he was surprised that they didn't go to the trump beach and went straight to the capitol. how can you blame trump's speech of the people who were violent didn't even go to the speech because they've come to washington for the purpose of violence. it's an absurdity, but it raises the question they'll never try to answer. why did nancy pelosi turn down president trump's offer of 20,000 national guardsmen? if they had the guardsmen at the capitol, nothing would have happened. that's the recommendation of the capitol police chief who was overruled by chuck schumer and nancy pelosi. >> laura: aren't they claiming unless i'm mistaken that tha

good prosecutors are what we saw from liz cheney. methodical, calm, and most importantly she let the evidence to be the tar, not her. i thought it was very effective. >> thank you very much. he defended the capitol on january 6th. michael pen own is here to react to what he heard in tonight's primetime hearing. that's next. i didn't realize my dna could tell me if i had a higher chance for type two diabetes. so when my son ve me a 23andme kit, this father's day, start a new health journey why is roger happy? it's the little things carvana does. like giving him a real offer in two minutes and carvana's customer advocate caitlin picking up his car at promptly 10am. then paying him right there on the spot. we'll drive you happy at carvana. we need to reduce plastic waste in the environment. that's why at america's beverage companies, our bottles are made to be re-made. not all plastic is the same. we're carefully designing our bottles to be 100% recyclable, including the caps. they're collected and separated from other plastics, so they

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speaking of january 6th, liz cheney was the belle of the ball after last night's hearing. >> liz cheney's presentation was remarkable. she laid out to some really compelling evidence in a way that didn't come off as overly politicized. >> she has covered herself in glory. she has covered herself in character, she has risked her political future. >> they come and go, most of them are forgotten by history. she will not be forgotten by history. >> jason: joining me now is harriet hagemann wyoming congressional candidate and the challenger to congresswoman cheney in this primary is coming up. thank you for joining us on "the ingraham angle." it seems that the congresswoman was more interested in getting support from the media rather than her own constituents. what is your take on it? >> thank you for having me this evening but that's what this entire thing is about. i was in casper last evening with over 100 patriots, people who are wanting to discuss the issues that are affecting all of us. inflation and an open border, war on our oil and gas companies, i would describe an open grand jury, a

host: what do you think of your representative, liz cheney? what do you think of liz cheney? caller: she will always have my vote. yeah. she's a spot on. she sees the hate out there. these people -- i see them. you know, they foam and the mouth -- foam at the mouth. they don't want to talk because they probably don't even know how to have a public conversation. they just scream. even on your show, all the shows, you know, there's a serious problem upstairs in these people's minds. host: that is richard in wyoming. in virginia, this is lucy. hello. caller: hi. i voted for trump for jesus and it -- for trump twice and it scares me the amount of influence he has on so many of the republican politicians. i am someone who -- i don't understand the whole concept of, if you are a republican, then republicans can do no wrong and democrats cannot do right, and i feel like no one owns right or wrong. i mean, both parties do a lot of both. but even though i voted for trump, i feel like he just has, still has, so many people, you know, that like him, that our current politicians, a lot o

so, liz cheney is hardly a liberal. she is a hard-core conservative with policy positions i find repugnant in some cases. but on this one defining issue of our age, the future and the enduring value of american democracy, liz cheney is on the right side of history. claire mccaskill served two terms in the u.s. senate as a democratic representative from missouri. she joins me now. i don't think there's a political trajectory quite like this in recent times. i can't think of one. arland specter a little bit, which was going on while you are serving. he voted for the aca. they kept him out as a traitor. this is just on another level. >> and let's separate out everything else that liz cheney is and isolate this decision. and really understand the decision she made. it's the ultimate act of political courage is making a decision that you know is more likely than not to result in your defeat. and the reason i am confident she made that decision with that kind of context is the state she is from. i mean, chris, it's a 70 to 30

cheney, this is not my original idea, what jonah suggests, i think, but don't you think liz cheney is by putting out this clip today, suggesting hey, don't listen to me. trump white house counsel attorneys thought that criminal defense attorneys were going to have to be hired by if not donald trump, john eastman and other people part of this? >> absolutely. and you have already seen here, you can assess from just the decision to put out this video, they don't want anyone in the public to already conclude whether or not there's going to be criminal referrals or not at this point. just because the chairman puts out that statement, you don't want at that point people to then walk away thinking this is already sealed and done. what's even going to happen in the next hearing the. >> coming from liz cheney is very different than the black democrat, bennie thompson. the optics of this are very important, especially as we're seeing all of the witnesses so far have been from the republican side of the aisle, have been from inside trump world. >> i think the timing is such a key point here, par

she was questioned by republican congressmember vice chair liz cheney. that does it for today's show. and a recap of the first public hearing of the u.s. house select committee to investigate the january 6 attack on the united states capitol. the committee holds its next hearing monday morning. we will livestream it at 10:00 a.m. eastern at democracynow.org . on monday on democracy now!, we will speak with democracy now! j cohostuan gonzalez about his duly updated edition of the landmark book "harvest of empire: a history of latinos in america." democracy now! is looking for feedback from people who appreciate the closed captioning. e-mail your comments to outreach@democracynow.org or mail them to democracy now! p.o. box 693 new york, new york 10013.

it was a moment at which we see in fact what liz cheney said in her closing statement. there will come a day when donald trump is gone, but your dishonor will remain. >> she said that to all -- >> to the republicans who have not gone along with this investigation and tried to shut it down and tried to ignore it. what we're watching in this hearing is not just, we didn't just have an attack on democracy. what this hearing is about is the future of democracy. there's a lot riding on it, and it's not at all evident that this is going to turn out well. that republicans are going to do the right thing. as happened in the watergate hearings and after, which john dean testified. because, in watergate, there was overwhelming evidence, overwhelming evidence of the president's criminality and how massive a conspiracy it was. this conspiracy, we know from these hearings, is every bit as massive as watergate was. whether or not the president of the united states, whether you can prove intent, whether merrick garland has enough to go on to indict a president, former president, we do

so, liz cheney is hardly a liberal. she is a hard-core conservative with policy positions i find repugnant in some cases. but on this one defining issue of our age, the future and the enduring value of american democracy, liz cheney is on the right side of history. claire mccaskill served two terms in the u.s. senate as a democrat representing missouri. she joins me now. i don't think there's a political trajectory quite like this in recent times. i can't think of one. our lynn specter a little bit, which was going on while you are serving. he voted for the aca. they kept him out as a traitor. this is just on another level. >> and let's separate out everything else that liz cheney is and isolate this decision. and really understand the decision she made. it's the ultimate act of political courage is making a decision that you know is more likely than not to result in your defeat. and the reason i am confident she made that decision with that kind of context is the state she is from. i mean, chris, it's a 70 to 30 state.

liz cheney took a flame thrower to the big lie. she proved beyond any question that there's no possible way donald trump won this election and he knew it, too, and she used the words of donald trump's own people against him which i think is a really important persuasive technique. also this goes to the question of intent. one of the defenses of donald trump is and has been, well, he genuinely believed he won the election so he was just pursuing those remedies which he is entitled to do, but when you see this you find out bill barr his loyal attorney general says i told donald trump to his face three times you lost and then jason miller testimony shows that the data analytics guru told donald trump you have lost. jason miller did add important context afterwards, he said the next thing i said, which you did not see, is that donald trump said to the data guy, well, i disagree with you, that's why intent can get complex. i thought this was effective use of the deposition testimony. >> a lawyer would come back and say trump knew or sho

i don't have a question. >> i'm in awe of them, i'm in awe of liz cheney. i would just say of kevin mccarthy, think about it. he -- on the night of january 6th, met with republicans in the house and said, this guy is going to be -- trump is going to be impeached and i'm going to go over to the white house and tell him he's got to leave office. and then when he reported that in "the new york times" -- >> unfortunately we're having some technical problems, obviously. we appreciate tom friedman being with us. jake? >> i'm joined by senior justice correspondent evan perez. evan, although the committee cannot bring legal charges to merrick garland at the justice department, he's been under pressure to pursue a criminal case against former president trump. what can you tell us about merrick garland's next move? >> these are some of the areas that we're seeing some of the progress that some of the critics have been eager to see. and look, there's a lot, as you know, from the attorney general, there's not a lot he's willing to say, but one of the things we do know

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liz cheney said this today. we know that he was internal at the white house trying to push back on a lot of this stuff. donald trump has already got him on his enemies list, you know what i mean? that's done. that ship has sailed. donald trump said something negative about ivanka trump the other day when the testimony came out that she believed bill barr. she was out of the loop. >> she was checked out. >> i'm just saying it's not the kind of thing i would say about my daughter. >> you could say the same about mike pence. >> right exactly. >> i mean -- or don mcgahn before that. >> it would be an understatement to say trump threw pence under the bus. he called him the p-word in a phone call in the last days of the administration. but you talked to pence, he gave an interview to "the wall street journal" over the weekend where he kind of didn't have really anything negative to say about trump. pence is the epitome of someone who is walking that line. you're really not on trump's side, but you can't be overtly ant

liz cheney is doing her job. when i came home and i turned on the computer, and i saw what was happening to the capitol i , couldn't believe it. i had to turn on the big tv to watch it because i couldn't believe what was happening. after the election, you could see trump stacking the cards to do something. i was so worried at what was going to happen. thank god that the military did not get involved more or whatever. he was trying to get some people in the military to get involved. i feel for those people that came there. maybe they felt wronged. but some of those people signed and owed to the government to protect the constitution, to protect the building they attacked. what is going on? that was just wrong. to me, it was nothing but a gigantic coup. and it is gigantic lisette to see that our country came to this point. host: would you ever vote for the former vice president? caller: i probably would not vote for pence, but i probably would vote for liz cheney. and i've never been a dick cheney fan, but i am a l

one is the incredible power of liz cheney's commentary. she spoke for about 30 minutes and she very carefully, meticulously used team trump players from attorney general barr to ivanka trump to eviscerate the president's case. so she took piece by piece the case against the president, using the president's own team and their words to undermine the president. that was powerful. the other thing was to actually see attorney general barr, what he said to the president. i won't use the words but basically, that there was no fraud. that it is concocted, that he didn't know what he was talking about. those stood out to me as incredibly powerful moments. >> and to that point about bill barr, to make the point with what donald trump was being told including by bob barr. liz cheney played this clip from the interview with the president's daughter. let's listen to that. >> many of trump's white house staff also recognized that the evidence did not support the claims president trump was making. this is the president's daughter commenting on bill barr'

that was testimony that liz cheney was — it? that was testimony that liz cheney was reading, _ it? that was testimony that liz cheney was reading, that - it? that was testimony that liz cheney was reading, that wasl cheney was reading, that was from somebody else's mouth not on trumpet�*s i would believe the judge would rule that as hearsay. we will be hearing from donald trump himself and he had his reaction today but i am not 100% sure he actually said that. i think they missed the mark on two points, if i may. number one, they presented a lot of evidence and quite convincingly that the proud boys and both keepers were involved in a plot to interrupt the elections. this was a seven—month long flight. that juxtaposed to what they said previously, up to last night that donald trump spontaneously wept people into a frenzy and he was the cause of the capitol attack... ., ~' ., ,, , attack... you know yourself he sent attack... you know yourself he spent weeks — attack... you know yourself he spent weeks whipping - attack... you know yourself he spent weeks whipping up - attack.

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liz cheney is helping them. he or she is just moments ago screeching about disinformation. >> president trump ignored the rulings of our nation's court. he ignored his own campaign leadership, his white house staff, many republican state officials, he ignored the department of justice and the department of homeland security. president trump invested millions of dollars of campaign funds purposely spreading false information, running ads were false, and convincing millions of americans that the election was corrupt, and that he was the true president. as you will see, this misinformation campaign provoked the violence on january 6th. >> tucker: she is off on another planet, and not a smart person, not an evil person, why is liz cheney abetting the destruction of america's civil liberties customer and our sacred norms are being destroyes of this investigation. why is she participating. davis has been watching this closely, cofounder and ceo of "the federalist" and we are happy to have him tonight. thank you so muc

liz cheney is a part of that . the democrats are a part of that . .ey they're using it to deflect attention from the failures ofhe the biden administration and it doesn't really have anything to do f ave with her because we cat to the truth. we know how to do that . butha this panel, this committee ,that isn't what they're focused on . >> well, look, i'm one who believes that there should be a vibrant investigationss inw what happened on january six . i'm totally for that . i also believe that if you broke the law, you should be prosecuted. no matter who you are, youom should be prosecuted. but at the same time, i think l liz cheney and adam kinzinger for that matter, should have walked away s when nancy pelosi denied minority rights to appoint republicans that kevin mccarthy wanted to appoint to have the balance of power so that there can be probing questions when they delegitimize the entire processde by allowing just cheny and kinzinger, who had already made up their mind on the panel ,that was just wrong from n

he didn't, liz cheney, said he didn't make a single phone call. he didn't call marc miller, he didn't call anyone. he didn't call the attorney general, he didn't call anyone! because as chris is saying, it's the plan! as we understood it! [laughs] it's the ban an extension of the plan. trump will get you this far, that will rally this thing, and this is what trump expected to see. >> the exact line, first of, all for our viewers if you are just turning it now, this is ten minute recess that we are in the middle of. you can see the hearing members so other states, still in the room on the other side of your screen there. but what is referencing is an incredible dramatic moment. liz cheney in the opening statement, said, not only does president trump refuse to tell the mob believed the capitol, he placed no call to any elements of the u.s. government to a truck that the capital be defended. he did not call is the fence secretary on january six. he did not talk to his attorney general. he did not talk to the department of homeland security. he gave n

he was answering the questions of committee vice chair commerce member liz cheney. if you want to see the full surprise hearing yesterday that lasted about two hours with cassidy hutchinson with various deposition testimony like mike flynn, go to democracynow.org. ÑcÑcÑcÑc >>> welcome, i am catherine kobayashi in new york. >>> the man controlling the central bank has one eye on inflation as he tries to navigate a soft landing. the federal reserve chair said there was no guarantee. he says the clock is running to bring high prices down. he joined some of the

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democratic chairman bennie thompson and republican vice chair liz cheney laid the blame squarely on donald trump and his baseless conspiracy theories that the 2020 election was stolen. listen to this. >> president trump ignored the rulings of our nation's courts. he ignored his own campaign leadership, his white house staff, many republican state officials. he ignored the department of justice and the department of homeland security. president trump invested millions of dollars of campaign funds, purposely spreading false information, running ads he knew were false and convincing millions of americans that the election was corrupt and that he was the true president. as you will see, this misinformation campaign provoked the violence on january 6th. >> cheney played testimony from the top u.s. general, confirming it was then vice president mike pence, not donald trump who called in the national guard to quell the riot. she also showed video of trump's closest advisers, including his own daughter rejecting his voter fraud claims. listen here. >> i had three discussions with the president tha

is liz cheney okayy with that? the upholder of democracy?id we texted liz cheney on friday and said, are you okayth with this? they just arrested a 72 yearre old man who did nothingst wrong does not cross some kind of line. are you going to stand up and say something about it? she didn't respond. the generous committee has just hired a former producer of good morning america called james goldston who'll be overseeing the committee's prime time. hearings on thursday night. soshow the show trial now has a production crew and of course we'll be covering that in great detail on thursday by arresting peter navarro. they're hoping to set up one of the most vocal critics before it begins. but peter navarro is a brave man. he's not shutting up. he joinsp. us now for the firstd interview since being arrested. he is, as we told you, a formero senior white houser adviser and the author of taking back from america where we lost the white house now when in fact he joins us now. peter , thanks so much for coming on . how was this allowed?s this is so outs

republican congresswoman and committee vice chair liz cheney cutting straight to the heart of the case there that the panel will continue to lay out over the next several weeks, but you don't have to take her word for it, the committee let their witnesses, some of the trump's insiders do all of the talking. watch. >> i made it clear i did not agree with the idea of saying the election was stolen and putting out this stuff which i told the president was bull [ bleep ]. >> how did it affect your perspective about the election when attorney general barr made that statement? >> it affected my perspective. i respect attorney general barr, so i accepted what he was saying. >> jared, are you aware of instances where pat cipollone threatened to resign? >> i kind of -- like i said, my interest at that time was on trying to get as many pardons done, and i know that he was always -- him and the team were always saying oh, we're going to resign and we're not going to be here if this happens or that happens, and i took it up to just be whining, to be honest with you. >> that happened. the new evide

liz cheney isgenda. helpingng that . >> here she is just moments agog screeching about this information. >> president trump ignoredsi the rulings of our nation'sde courts. own campaig he ignored his own campaign leadership, his white house staff, many republican state officials he ignored the department of justice and the department of homeland . curity president trump invested millions of dollars of campaignm funds purposely spreading false information, running and he knew were false and convincing millions of americans that the election was corrupt and that, he was the true a president. as you will see, this misinformation campaign provoked the violence on january six . she is off on another planet and a smart person, not an evil person. why is liz cheney a betting the destruction of america's civil liberties and our sacred norms are being destroyedtr on the basis of this investigation? why she participating in this? sean davis has been watching this closely. he's co-founder and ceo of the federalist.

vice chair liz cheney reiterating the panel's call for cipollone to testify. white house counsel pat cipollone had significant concerns. it's time for sip loan toe testify on the record. any concerns he has about the institutional interest of his prior offers are outweighed by the need for his testimony. punch bowl news is reporting this, quote, the january 6th select committee is likely to subpoena pat cipollone, the white house counsel over donald trump unless he agrees to be deposed or to testify voluntarily. cipollone is just one of many potential witnesses that are in a back and forth negotiation with the panel. this morning an attorney for ginni thomas, the wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas sent a letter to the january 6th committee asking for this, quote, better justification, why mrs. thomas' testimony is relevant to the committee's legislative purpose. as if pressuring state lawmakers to overturn election results in corresponding with the coup architect memo authored john eastman as "the washington post" reported this month is not justific

. >> liz cheney played the role of prosecutor. her opening argument, that when other pieces of trump's conspiracy failed the then president unleashed chaos on the congress. the evidence also included radio transmission from the police pleading for backup. the hearing also featured testimony from a capitol police officer who recalled slipping in blood as the halls were overrun by domestic terrorists. trump calls it all a farce, but the facts were sobering, compelling and hard to ignore. it was team trump in their own words, making clear he knew, they knew, joe biden won fair and square. yet, lied and plotted for months opening to keep power. bill barr was the trump attorney general. >> i made it clear, i did not agree with the idea of saying the election was stolen, and putting out this stuff which i told the president was bullshit, and you know, i didn't want to be a part of it, and that's one of the reasons that went into me deciding to leave when i did. i observed, i think it was on december 1st, that you can't live in a world w

library. >> ladies and gentlemen, please welcome congresswoman, liz cheney. free speech thrives. [applause] president reagan wanted a place where we have debates, so. i'm the director of the reagan institute. it is home of the reagan foundation in washington, d.c., just across from lafayette park near the white house. we had our grand opening a year ago, so we are ready for every single one of you to visit us in washington, d.c. now, a tradition at the library, in honor of men and women who defend our freedom around the world, please stand and join me in the pledge of allegiance. i pledge allegiance the flag of the united states of america, and to the republic which it stands, one nation, under god, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. thank you. you may be seated. roger:: before we get started, there are people i would like to recognize. first, matt jacobs, former federal prosecutor and running for representative of the 26 congressional district, welcome. the city council members from ventura, thank you for being here this evening. [applause] i want

and i wonder, if anyone else could have brought out this testimony as effectively as liz cheney, and possibly, could anyone else have made this particular witness as comfortable and ready to deliver that testimony? >> that's a good point. and i've got to be honest with you, as i sat in the room, and i watched liz cheney ask her the questions, i thought that that was so powerful. because these are too conservative republican women, and that is a republican leader, asking her questions, asking her to testify to facts and the truth. and these are two women, who stood strong in the face of their own party, who is going to continue to trash them, and is going to continue to try to undermine their work. but the fact of the matter is, you can't undermine list cheney, in terms of conservativism. you can't really undermine cassidy, who worked for scalise, who worked for ted cruz. she knows that these republican congressional people know her, they know her by the by name. she's walked those calls and congress. so, it was such an important moment, i think, and i think you're absolutely correct

and, i think the same will be true for liz cheney. i think that she will be remembered for this moment, right? for the fact that she, you know, voted with donald trump 90% of the time, which means she believes in all of the policies that republicans believe in, which is not providing for the american people, providing for that wealthy, and all of these things. but, because the backbone to stand up, on this one issue, lying, the preservation of our democracy, i am not going to be aboard the trump train. i am not doing this. so, you know, i think that she set the tone that she is very clear about the fact that our democracy hangs in the balance, and this isn't about loyalty to a thing. it is about the preservation of our democracy moving forward, and that we are in a dangerous moment, and her former party is at the forefront of that. kurt, we talked earlier in the shield about the fact that fox news refused to show it with sound and go to commercial while it was happening. do you think the strategy worked for them? >> no, i think it bac

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liz cheney has described it as a dereliction of duty. we know from great reporting in the "washington post" that trump was transfixed by the images he saw on his television. we know that the white house was never on lockdown, so unlike mike pence, trump was never rushed to the pioc as he was during protests in the summer and we learned more recently that trump cheered when he learned they wanted to hang mike pence and they were chanting that. how much do you think the focus on that 187 minutes serves this committee as they try to refocus the country? >> well, i think about the -- now what i think of as the katyal questions and the vance questions. like, you know, stuff that donald trump did that day to try to -- how his -- what his reactions were, what he did or didn't do in that period is definitely in the vance category, not the katyal category, because how close to command and control trump was in terms of trying to overturn the election, that's not in the wheelhouse of that. i think these issues are super important in the vance categ

frank, one of the heads of the committee, liz cheney, ended by i committee, liz cheney, ended by saying there is evidence of witness tampering and possibly other criminal activity. tampering and possibly other criminalactivity. but tampering and possibly other criminal activity. but what did kassidy hutchison offered today? is not the smoking gun thejustice department need to prosecute donald trump? i department need to prosecute donald trum - ? ., �* ~' department need to prosecute donald trum? ., �* ~ ~ ., ., trump? i don't think we know that recisel . trump? i don't think we know that precisely. there _ trump? i don't think we know that precisely. there is _ trump? i don't think we know that precisely. there is a _ trump? i don't think we know that precisely. there is a lot _ trump? i don't think we know that precisely. there is a lot more - trump? i don't think we know that precisely. there is a lot more to l precisely. there is a lot more to be learned. i think one of the key point today that was quite interesting was that she said that mark meadows had wanted to go across the

they let liz cheney, the daughter of a once powerful man, present most of the evidence. including, we'll talk about this later, unveiling the daughter of another one's powerful man, ivanka trump. and using her as a wedge against trump. it was done, everything about it has been done at a production level that is different than your normal congressional hearings. trying to get this into a digestible form for the american public. they did a pretty good job on the opening night. >> i do think, though, one of the challenges for them is that they have to give people something new. not just the american people, but there is a lot of talk right now about where this is all heading in terms of criminal prosecutions. not just for the rioters but for the high-profile people who were involved in the conspiracy. what is the message to the department of justice from the january six committee? >> i found that to be kind of a striking aspect of the first hearing. you even heard in liz cheney segment that there is this ongoing investigation by the justice department. we know there is anxi

liz cheney was calling out a lot of republicans last night. one of them is scott perry. she said they saw pardons from the white house. i had to hear it's twice because i was so taken aback by that. what is the significance of that? that lawmakers were saying i might need a pardon? >> i think it is very significant. she did not lay out the significance. she teased that there will be more of this in the next few weeks. the fact that one of the republicans from pennsylvania who was instrumental in trying to help the former president overturn the election results in pennsylvania, the fact that after january 6 he asked the president for a pardon shows that the reaction and response and what happened, he got very nervous that perhaps he was personally criminally or civilly liable. scott perry put out a statement today saying that was absolutely false. he did not do that. i do not think the committee is very concerned about overreach. they have done that in the past and it is really it th. they said they would not put out out there if they did not have evidence. yamiche: somet

that's what liz cheney is trying to tell the republicans and the public. they didn't go at this thinking, we are going to indict donald trump, because that's not within their power. they went out this trying to figure out what were the events that led to our democracy almost getting a mortal dagger in the heart. what's almost led to a situation in which we might not have a duly elected president running the country today, it's a few things that gone differently on that violent, chaotic, series of events on january 6th. so ginni thomas is ultimately a sideline, a slight player, in the effort to understand what happened, what caused january six and how do we prevent it from happening again? i think the committee is very much, according to my sources, mindful of their central duty. if a president can make this happen, if a president can lead to the fomenting of a mob that attacked our democracy, and threatens to kill our vice president, then we have to find ways to stop that through laws, through statutes, policy, we have to prevent that from happening again.