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i always turned up the volume whenever i saw paul butler mark shields on television. television audiences don't talk back, but lecture audiences do. and mark shields was a star on the lecture circuit. >> it's a challenge. i mean, you've got 45 minutes to make them think, make them laugh, and that is the highest praise you can get coming out someone coming up and occasionally happens that you may be thinking there may be a laugh. that is high praise indeed, for me, as a speaker. >> no one made me think and made me laugh like mark shields. mark shields loved politics, not so much for the sport of, it but for the power of politics to help improve the human condition. as a journalist, he was always fair, but he was not shy about publicly admiring the politicians who merited his admiration. one was the speaker of the house for massachusetts, chip o'neil, who mark shields once said was a stranger to self importance. leave it to mark shields to create the perfect phrase describing mark shields. a stranger to self importance. he was in awe of mike mansfield, the long serving

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. >> right now i want to bring in jonathan lemire, paul butler, barbara mcquade, great to have this all-star panel. ali, i think there's a pretty clear through line here all about the fact that the president was told over and over that the allegations of fraud didn't hold up and he went out and spread them anyway. >> reporter: yeah, and that was certainly the focus of this hearing, hammered home not just by the committee members by themselves but by members. former president's own inner circle, both on the campaign and within the white house and other parts of his government. of course using that testimony by people like former attorney general bill barr as well as people inside the trump campaign, including bill stepien, who was supposed to be here in person but couldn't come because his wife went into labor and thus he could not appear here today, the committee was able to slice into their report his own testimony. they did it on the fly this morning in preparation thinking he was coming but of course it underscores the idea that everyone who has talked to the committee can effectively sti

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paul butler, i want to continue with your thoughts. you were telling us what your perspective was before on announcing this decision. now that you see it, what's your reaction? >> this case was about the ability of the environmental protection agency to do its most important job, fighting climate change. and if that wasn't important enough, there are other seismic consequences to the court's ruling today. just like overturning roe versus wade was a carefully planned decades long effort of the far right, this case also comes out of a long-term project by conservatives to limit the power of government agencies. and, jose, the court could have gone narrow and just ruled on the issue before it, about the power of the epa to regulate carbon emissions. or the court could have gone extreme, like it did with roe versus wade. and so in the next minutes and hours, what we lawyers will be doing is looking carefully at the words of the court to see whether they've gone extreme as, again, the brief reading i've done suggests they did, or whether th

. >> paul butler, there is a very troubling term used in this judges order today about eastman's emails saying that it is subject to the crime fraud exception. what did that mean to you? >> it means that there is evidence that somebody committed a crime, either eastman or someone like donald trump. even though eastman has been claiming these bogus privileges, the judge doesn't even have to cater to that because if there is evidence of a crime committed then that overcomes the privilege. whereas every time any judge looks closely at emails or texts, or other documents related to donald trump they tend to find evidence of crimes. >> very, tomorrow night when they are trying to, this is essentially like in file terms, this would be like the opening statement. is this a moment where they're going to reveal, in effect, everything that they have and then later hearings are filling in the details? >> it's a great question, i don't believe they're going to disclose everything. what they're going to want to do is disclose enough so that they are saying you american people think you know about ja

i was looking at a video of her colleague paul butler. interviewing her and he began by saying he thought he knew this subject. well the criminalization of black youth and what he learned from reading professor. henning's book is that he really didn't know it and i sort of feel the same way. i'm in year 24 of teaching high school english in baltimore. so i've spent you know a lot of time with teenagers in classrooms over the years and i thought i knew this subject also and the book just revealed so much that i didn't know so i just i wanted to begin by saying that a lot of your book is really about how normal routine adolescent behavior gets criminalized and black youth. could you just begin by sharing some of the ways this happens? yeah, i think maybe the best way to start that is to maybe start with a story and i'll tell you a story about a young child that i represented name eric. i call him eric in the book. eric was a 13 year old boy at the time who on a saturday night was watching a movie and in the movie. he sees someone making a m

thank you very much for making it, former senator doug jones and, of course, paul butler. thank you both. still ahead, right wing extremists are marking pride month. and we'll have more on the january 6th committee investigation and the case against trump. we'll be right back. e case against trump. we'll be right back. to provide flexible pay options and greater workforce visibility today, so you can have more success tomorrow. ♪ one thing leads to another, yeah, yeah ♪ meet three moms who each like to bank their own way. luckily they've all got chase. smart bankers. convenient tools. one bank with the power of both. chase. make more of what's yours. among my patients, i often see them have teeth sensitivity as well as gum issues. does it worry me? absolutely. sensodyne sensitivity & gum gives us the dual action effect that really takes care of both our teeth sensitivity as well as our gum issues. there's no question it's something that i would recommend. (music throughout) ♪ ♪ dude, great ride! right? this silverado keeps me connected and in control. and this touc

paul butler become at the table joined by rebecca roiffe. nick akerman here, and "the new york times" editorial board member, mara gay. good to have all of you here. i start with you, nick. is it possible people this high up in the doj could end up going to prison? >> of course, absolutely. they were right in the middle of this coup. you talked before about this being reminiscent of watergate them brings back to me the saturday night massacre when the attorney general and deputy attorney general actually did resign, and what people don't understand is that they worked with robert bourque, who was the solicitor general, and not leave and resign, because their concern was richard nixon would put a flunky in the department of justice to take it over, and that's exactly what we saw today. they took a guy who was an absolute flunky, just a puppet, put him in there. they had some other guy, dbutowski, and the whole idea was to make sure the department of justice came out and said, yes, there was a fraudulent election across the country, and give c

. -- joins me now, along with that isn't the legal analyst and former federal prosecutor, paul butler. gentlemen, it's great to have you guys with. as walk me through the reporting here, how radically have attacks, rhetorical attacks, legislative attacks, and sadly physical attacks now escalated against clear people in this country over the past year? >> yeah, there's been over 300 new bells, introduced all throughout the country targeting the lgbtq community. since the start of the year, but that's not just that's, not all there. is the last month, alone there's been 777 increase in conversations about drag rain story out on the right wing internet. drag queen story hour is drag queens, who are sometimes in libraries, in stores, places like that teaching age-appropriate books to children. regular books that your kids would want to read, curious george style staff. and that's what you would see in those faces, far-right wants this ban now. and you see militia as, like the proud was going to drag queen story out to try to shut them down. others are getting targeting threats. you know,

joining me now, peter strauch, paul butler. start with you, paul. the significance in your view of the subpoena of pat cipollone. i will read this release that says the select committee investigation has revealed evidence that mr. cipollone repeatedly raised concerned about president trump. the committee needs to hear from him on the record as other former white house counsels have done in other congressional investigations. your thoughts on this subpoena, paul? given all of the things that he was concerned about from the speech to walking to the capitol. he said they could be charged with every crime imaginable. >> joy, the house panel had to subpoena pat cipollone. but it's probably not going to work -- with a house investigation, he will do the trump thing of trying to beat the clock. he will probably be able to stall by making bogus objections until the midterm elections when the panel is likely to get neutralized or co-opted by republicans. the feds can still hold cipollone accountable. the fbi should have a nice sit down with him. or he needs

ashley parker, paul butler, thank you guys very much. >> a california man is in custody after he threatened to kill supreme court justice brett kavanaugh. officials say he was carrying a handgun, a knife, pepper spray and burglary tools. joining me is justice correspondent pete williams. what do we know about this guy, pete? >> we now now what law enforcement officials have told us and what is in the affidavit and criminal charges filed in federal court, they say this all began about 1:00 this morning in chevy chase, maryland when the u.s. marshal service saw a man dressed in black get out of a taxi cab and walk away from justice kavanaugh's house. this man identified as nicholas john roske, age 26 from simi valley, california, called the local police, called 911, said he was having suicidal thoughts, he had a gun in his suitcase and that he came from california to kill a specific supreme court justice. they arrested him while he was in the process of still finishing that 911 call. they found a knife, a pistol with magazines and ammunition, pep are sprays, zip ties, a hammer and what the po

joining me now is paul butler, professor at georgetown law school and former federal prosecutor and kurt bardella adviser for the dd dnc. paul, you as a former prosecutor, part of the idea is to tell a story and to get the jury to understand a narrative. so what will it mean for viewers to not see the story, right, not get the evidence, in court you actually have to present the evidence and you as the prosecutor tell a story around that evidence. what fox will have is just their story, not the evidence. >> so, joy, the republicans are counting on january 6th fatigue. fox news wants the american people to ignore the fact that this week members of the proud boys have been charged with sedition meaning prosecutors believe that they plotted to use force and violence to keep trump in office, even though they knew he lost the election. they are trying to divert attention from the federal judge's opinion that found probable cause that trump himself committed crimes. the big question is whether republicans can persuade merrick garland that it's time to move on because he's the person who will ma

butler. everybody welcome. these hearings have been gang buster for the number of people paying attention, just on television, not even counting those online. what's on tap for tomorrow? >> we know they're planning another hearing on the pressure commonwealth pain inside the department of justice. what tomorrow's hearing is going to do led by congressman adam schiff is going to take viewers inside the pressure campaign at the state level, specifically places like georgia, including the secretary of state, brad raffensperger, as well as gabe sterling, both testifying in person on capitol hill tomorrow. they're going to delve into the plans in place for potential false slates of electors in these states but also the way the former president himself pressured these legislators and officials to try to overturn the election results. ins case of brad raffensperger, there's that recording where trump says he just wants to find the 11,780 votes he needs, one more than joe biden to actually win in tha

washington post" and msnbc contributor and the author of a very stable genius and i can fix it, and paul butler, former federal prosecutor and professor at the georgetown school of law and msnbc legal analyst. what's next for the investigation? >> there's lots of moving parts here and go in different directions. as it pertains to navarro, he is in court today and dropped his civil suit against the committee and he's hired new lawyers. i don't know if that is a change in tone from him or how he might respond to the committee, but i suppose we'll find that out later today. on ginni thomas, the committee has sent her a formal invitation to come testify. thomas told the daily collar she would be happy to clear up misconceptions about her role. john eastman has weighed in on an online forum saying conversations about the election weren't necessarily conspiratorial. she asked him to brief a group she talks to. nevertheless, the committee has renewed interest in figuring out what exactly thomas was doing and with whom she was communicating. that's not the central focus of the committee. the cen

nbc news justice reporter ryan riley joins us with paul butler, former federal prosecutor and law professor at georgetown law school. ryan, let's just say donahue was unhappy about the idea of jeffrey clark taking over. what else can you tell us about these tense conversations and what more we might learn today? >> yeah. that was a legendary putdown and one that he was pretty proud of. jeffrey clark grew up in northeast philadelphia, went to harvard. then he went to -- he went to law school. he was an accomplished lawyer but purely a civil lawyer. he did not have any experience in criminal law, but what happened that a lot of his colleagues were surprised by is he went down this conspiracy theory path and seemed to believe a lot of these lies about the stolen election. that is what made him sort of trump's inside man there. he had this meeting at the white house that was outside of the proper channels, because only really high-ranking doj officials are supposed to have contact with the white house. him being the head of head of t environmental division was not typically a channel coming int

also with us, msnbc political analyst tim miller, writer at large at the bulwark, and paul butler, good to have you here. ali, talk to us about that documentary footage subpoenaed by the january 6th committee. what do we know what's on it and what the committee plans to do with it? >> chris, we got now reporting on that documentary footage. but we've also got new reporting from chairman benny thompson, house producer caught up with him. thompson saying the last two hearings for the committee will come in july. we know that we have the committee's fifth hearing tomorrow afternoon. we were sort of counting to seven, told to expect that many hearings from the committee. thompson now saying those last two will be pushed to several weeks from now. this is sort of the juggling act that the committee has been doing over the course of the last few weeks, presenting its public narrative while also still clearly fact finding. the documentary footage, for example, is a great reason why they might be pushing these hearings. they're actively getting more information talking with this documentary fil

with us to start off our coverage this hour, paul butler, former federal prosecutor, now professor of law at georgetown university. neil, former u.s. solicitor general and joyce vance, former u.s. attorney in alabama, now professor of law at university of alabama. all three msnbc legal analysts. i thank you for being with us. both remain in mexico and the epa case

and paul butler, i'll turn to you about who else we may hear from him, pat cipollone comes out pretty well according to cassidy hutchinson on how he acted. the chief of staff mark meadows how bad things might be. this morning, liz cheney is tweeting as we heard, white house counsel pat cipollone had significant concerns to trump's january 6 activities. it's time for mr. cipollone to testify on the record. any concerns he had about the institutional interests of his prior office are outweighed by the need for his testimony. who else do you think, paul, testimony should be compelled to step forward cipollone, it's pae for him to testify. he's the one who said if this goes down we're all liable for federal crimes. we need to know what federal crimes he was talking about and who he thought was liable. he has no privilege to testify. he was the white house counsel. that means he represents the people of the united states, the institution of the white house, he does not represent donald trump and he needs to stop protecting him. >> he's trying to exert executive privilege here, my god, base