rishi sunak. the times says mr sunak has vowed to cut taxes, but only once inflation has fallen. the paper also says support for liz truss is growing among the backbench tory mps. the mirror pictures sir mo farah as he reveals the remarkable story of how he was trafficked to the uk as a child, and his real name, in a new bbc documentary. the daily telegraph says the uk is braced for a "heat health emergency". and the same story in the daily star, which says the uk will be as hot as death valley in california. so, let's begin. david, let's start with you this hour. tory state fast—track to replace pm and this is because we now know the process to elect a new conservative leader and a new prime minister in place by the 5th of september. talk us through it. i fast—track process clearly geared to replace borisjohnson as quickly as possible and i'm not sure if mr johnson will be very happy with that but there it is. and most conservative mps i'm sure will want to know who the leader is going to be

sunak — to see as his successor is rishi sunak it — to see as his successor is rishi sunak. it seems like relations were particularly — sunak. it seems like relations were particularly bad over this preparation for a joint speech on the economy where they could not agree _ the economy where they could not agree on— the economy where they could not agree on an approach at all. that is before _ agree on an approach at all. that is before you — agree on an approach at all. that is before you get to the personality clashes _ before you get to the personality clashes or— before you get to the personality clashes or rishi sunak's to state for how— clashes or rishi sunak's to state for how borisjohnson clashes or rishi sunak's to state for how boris johnson conducted himself— for how boris johnson conducted himself -- — for how boris johnson conducted himself —— diss taste. and _ himself —— diss taste. and in— himself —— diss taste. and in the observer, eyebrow raising appointments of tory backbenchers to junior— appointments of tory backbenchers to ju

sunak seems _ seeing at the moment, rishi sunak seems to— seeing at the moment, rishi sunak seems to be the sensible one who is being _ seems to be the sensible one who is being more — seems to be the sensible one who is being more pragmatic kjaer. we have now heard _ being more pragmatic kjaer. we have now heard from patric, supporting liz truss — now heard from patric, supporting liz truss. and saying that if interest _ liz truss. and saying that if interest rates go up to 7%, it would be no bad _ interest rates go up to 7%, it would be no bad thing, to put it in context— be no bad thing, to put it in context in— be no bad thing, to put it in context in 2007, they were a 5.75%, but that _ context in 2007, they were a 5.75%, but that would really hurt a lot of people, and that is the real issue. you need — people, and that is the real issue. you need big tax cuts. it's going to be inflationary in a very difficult time _ be inflationary in a very difficult time for the economy and the bank of engiand _ time for the economy and the bank of engiand is— time for the economy

sunak will be something that rishi sunak will want _ will be something that rishi sunak will want to set himself apart from a boris _ will want to set himself apart from a borisjohnson candidate like liz truss _ a borisjohnson candidate like liz truss l _ a boris johnson candidate like liz truss. . , a boris johnson candidate like liz truss. ., , a boris johnson candidate like liz truss. . , ., truss. i am “ust looking at the interview_ truss. i am just looking at the interview as — truss. i am just looking at the interview as well, _ truss. i am just looking at the interview as well, he - truss. i am just looking at the | interview as well, he discusses truss. i am just looking at the - interview as well, he discusses some of the policy positions. he indicated he would not lift the veto on new grammar schools or the hunting ban if he became prime minister and declined to back a defence spending increase. a wide—ranging interview with rishi sunak in the telegraph. i thought it was interesting that the telegraph says liz truss, and then it says whose team is attempting to portra

as he mentioned, boris i johnson against rishi sunak, against johnson against rishi sunak, against liz truss, against long—established opposition but given that we are in a leadership race, any lines like this that had to buy a policy going forward, of course they're going to make headlines and plenty of headlines. but you make of the volume of policy ideas that is coming out in the sunday papers on both sides? ,, . coming out in the sunday papers on both sides?— both sides? quite inc. incredible. and how those _ both sides? quite inc. incredible. and how those shifted _ both sides? quite inc. incredible. and how those shifted over- both sides? quite inc. incredible. and how those shifted over the i both sides? quite inc. incredible. l and how those shifted over the last few days as each candidate has got a better feel of where they are in this race. liz truss very much as the front runner at the moment, able to make this statement which is a statement of some degrees, but also announcements that feel almost like the planning for downing street. like feeling a bit more confident wh

that is rishi sunak. let's go to the _ treasury? interesting. that is rishi sunak. let's go to the front - treasury? interesting. that is rishi sunak. let's go to the front page l treasury? interesting. that is rishi| sunak. let's go to the front page of the sunday times, and look at what rishi sunak�*s opponent in the race is proposing. truss promises and 0xbridge interview for every a star pupil. what is this idea? liz oxbridge interview for every a star pupil. what is this idea?— pupil. what is this idea? liz truss has been speaking _ pupil. what is this idea? liz truss has been speaking to _ pupil. what is this idea? liz truss has been speaking to the - pupil. what is this idea? liz truss has been speaking to the formerl has been speaking to the former prime minister, this is her pitch on education, education, education, and she is pulling a bit on her own background. she is not shy on telling anyone she went to school in paisley, just in case anyone missed that so far! but she is making quite a valuable point, in particular, she says women and people from l

sunak, and a dil candidates, and rishi sunak, and a did about _ candidates, and rishi sunak, and a dig about the treasury there. but i think— dig about the treasury there. but i think the _ dig about the treasury there. but i think the idea that he might be back, _ think the idea that he might be back, i— think the idea that he might be back, i do think that is totally for the birds — back, i do think that is totally for the birds. you know, his popularity, his personal— the birds. you know, his popularity, his personal popularity has taken such a _ his personal popularity has taken such a hit— his personal popularity has taken such a hit over the last six months. his personal— such a hit over the last six months. his personal brand has performed much _ his personal brand has performed much worse in the polls than the conservative party, and there is a very good — conservative party, and there is a very good reason for that. it is scandais — very good reason for that. it is scandals like party gates, questions about— scandals like party gates, questions about his _ sc

a pledge by rishi sunak. rishi sunak ledaes a pledge by rishi sunak. rishi sunak pledges income _ a pledge by rishi sunak. rishi sunak pledges income tax _ a pledge by rishi sunak. rishi sunak pledges income tax cuts _ a pledge by rishi sunak. rishi sunak pledges income tax cuts and - a pledge by rishi sunak. rishi sunak pledges income tax cuts and it's - pledges income tax cuts and it's pretty clear to everyone what's going on here. if rishi sunak has been trailing in the membership rolls against liz truss, these are the two candidates competing to be elected as leader of the conservative party and this can vote on that. given the parliamentary majority in the conservative party holds that in the winter will be prime minister and i say rishi sunak has been trailing, it's in the looks that way i think his team would you have argued, briefings in the newspapers, but they have internal polling that makes them look more optimistic but people may change the minds and that liz truss's support was soft and people could be convinced. but fundamentally, rishi

this is rishi sunak's leadership — rachel? this is rishi sunak's leadership pitch _ rachel? this is rishi sunak's leadership pitch to _ rachel? this is rishi sunak's leadership pitch to the - rachel? this is rishi sunak's - leadership pitch to the conservative campaign and he is trying to take this very cautious view and always seem so far policy wise from the candidates on who's going to cut taxes and is going to cut them the fastest and rishi sunak is standing alone in this, he stands alone at the moment and sing that actually, this is what we should do. he has stepped down as chancellor, he has held the purse strings for a while and things are slowing down and he uses the quote that the country needs to earn the money before he can spend it and i think that's going to be a big focus of his campaign and its responsible way to handle the cost of living crisis rather than just this reactionary cut taxes and he is liking this to thatcher, but some parts of the tory party, whether that fits well with the wider public. i questioned up it is an invention, that's not an electorat

but the problem is for rishi sunak, probably, peoplejust wont— rishi sunak, probably, peoplejust won't quite believe him because he is seen _ won't quite believe him because he is seen as— won't quite believe him because he is seen as kind of having the fibre, realty. _ is seen as kind of having the fibre, realty. he — is seen as kind of having the fibre, realty. he is— is seen as kind of having the fibre, really, he is actually a brexiteer at the _ really, he is actually a brexiteer at the time of the referendum, more at the time of the referendum, more a vibe _ at the time of the referendum, more a vibe of— at the time of the referendum, more a vibe of a _ at the time of the referendum, more a vibe of a remainer and he at the time of the referendum, more a vibe ofa remainerand he is behind— a vibe ofa remainerand he is behind almost all groups of conservative members apart from remainers so they are trying to extend — remainers so they are trying to extend his appeal but will conservative members believe him when _ conservative members believe him when he _ conservative m

sunak didn't even call boris — few days, rishi sunak didn't even call borisjohnson then few days, rishi sunak didn't even call boris johnson then managed to speak— call boris johnson then managed to speak to _ call boris johnson then managed to speak to him before tweeting out his resignation letter come out a sign of the bad — resignation letter come out a sign of the bad blood between the two of them _ of the bad blood between the two of them you _ of the bad blood between the two of them. you now, ithink there of the bad blood between the two of them. you now, i think there are people _ them. you now, i think there are people who are saying borisjohnson, he leaves _ people who are saying borisjohnson, he leaves a _ people who are saying borisjohnson, he leaves a bit of a legacy of problems, we are expecting the treasury— problems, we are expecting the treasury as part of his campaign, thinks _ treasury as part of his campaign, thinks he — treasury as part of his campaign, thinks he discovers there that rishi sunak— thinks he discovers there that rishi sunak did or didn't do

the relationship like boris johnson and rishi sunak— rishi sunak. the tension between number ten _ rishi sunak. the tension between number ten and _ rishi sunak. the tension between number ten and number - rishi sunak. the tension between i number ten and number“, you get rishi sunak. the tension between - number ten and number“, you get it number ten and number 11, you get it often... interesting with rishi sunak... inaudible. the papers will soon be full of candidates announcing, sadgerjaved candidates announcing, sadger javed will candidates announcing, sadgerjaved will put his hand up, nadhim zahawi as well... that's just off the top of my head. —— sadgerjaved. ben wallace, penny mordaunt. jeremy hunt, mustn't forget about him. it will be a list as long as your arm. right now, rishi sunak is the one to beat, but a long way to go and pretty difficult to predict who will eventually come out on top let's move forward to the ft, which has rishi sunak accused of treachery. clearly a lot of bad blood over the manner of boris's defenestration.

rishi sunak is the front— was very lively. rishi sunak is the front room — was very lively. rishi sunak is the front room or and obviously is chahcellor_ front room or and obviously is chancellor until recently —— front ruhher~ — chancellor until recently —— front ruhher~ he — chancellor until recently —— front runner. he has the expertise and the knowledge _ runner. he has the expertise and the knowledge and the cards to play, but that also _ knowledge and the cards to play, but that also means he's the one that everyone — that also means he's the one that everyone else in the field has got the greatest interest in bringing down _ the greatest interest in bringing down. may be the bottom two. so, i think rishi _ down. may be the bottom two. so, i think rishi sunak was under a lot of pressure _ think rishi sunak was under a lot of pressure on — think rishi sunak was under a lot of pressure on tax, but also very sharp attacks _ pressure on tax, but also very sharp attacks from — pressure on tax, but also very sharp attacks from liz truss, suggesting that

sunak to succeed in trying _ not want rishi sunak to succeed in trying to— not want rishi sunak to succeed in trying to stop liz truss from becoming the next prime minister. the same — becoming the next prime minister. the same story makes the front page of the independent. it describes anger at rishi sunak�*s hardline plans for immigration. it is interesting, because there is clearly this drive to appeal to those in the right of the party but in the process, ever liz truss then feels she has to go further to make sure she gets that support, are they not at risk of losing people towards the left of the party who may feel, hang on, this is not what we want? i hang on, this is not what we want? i don't think so, actually, because liz truss has already said she will create more deals like those that we have read rwanda, and actually it is quite a popular policy. in that peace where there are charities saying this is creating anger, whether that is oxfam or christian aid, what you will notice is that labour ran their response, they are not saying we shouldn't be doing this because it is cr

i party members with between liz truss and rishi sunak?_ truss and rishi sunak? i think it is extraordinary _ truss and rishi sunak? i think it is extraordinary because - truss and rishi sunak? i think it is extraordinary because in l it is extraordinary because in a very erratic way with both theresa may and borisjohnson you could see attempts, chaotic in johnson's you could see attempts, chaotic injohnson�*s case, distracted injohnson�*s case, distracted in theresa may's case with the brexit, attempt to move on from thatcherism. theresa may talked about the good that the state can do and borisjohnson put the case for high public spending. now you have got a battle with two people claiming the thatcherite mantle in different ways. it is a battle on the right of the tory party. the focus is on tax cuts. when is the debate but not should there be. there is no focus on there be. there is no focus on the role of the state as demands on the state are growing. and, so, it is a return to that sort of 1980s thatcherism that very erratically the tory party have been

sunak will be one of them _ likely rishi sunak will be one of them and — likely rishi sunak will be one of them and there is good reason for that, _ them and there is good reason for that, the — them and there is good reason for that, the reason am voting for him, and a _ that, the reason am voting for him, and a hundred other colleagues are, is because _ and a hundred other colleagues are, is because he has the best chance of delivering _ is because he has the best chance of delivering for that country and uniting — delivering for that country and uniting the country and winning an election _ uniting the country and winning an election. he is the only one, when you compare him to keir starmer, who is favourable _ you compare him to keir starmer, who is favourable in the public's eyes and he _ is favourable in the public's eyes and he is — is favourable in the public's eyes and he is the one with the credible economic— and he is the one with the credible economic plan. that matters enormously. to me, and the largest number— enormously. to me, and the largest number of— e

rishi sunak said _ out to work, are rewarded. rishi sunak said today _ out to work, are rewarded. rishi sunak said today tackling the nhs backlog is is a priority for him and he has a plan to do that, what is your reaction? i he has a plan to do that, what is your reaction?— he has a plan to do that, what is your reaction? i am very clear we need to tackle _ your reaction? i am very clear we need to tackle the _ your reaction? i am very clear we need to tackle the nhs _ your reaction? i am very clear we need to tackle the nhs backlog l your reaction? i am very clear we i need to tackle the nhs backlog and your reaction? i am very clear we - need to tackle the nhs backlog and i would put in place a strong health secretary that would get that done, but in order to pay for the public service, we need a growing economy, thatis service, we need a growing economy, that is so vital that we unleash those post—brexit opportunities, we get rid of those pointless eu regulations and we also cut taxes, to make sure that we are getting people to set up businesses, and help grow the economy.

rishi sunak is _ prime minister but i think rishi sunak is the - prime minister but i think rishi sunak is the best. prime minister but i think| rishi sunak is the best for prime minister but i think- rishi sunak is the best for the joh _ rishi sunak is the best for the joh i— rishi sunak is the best for the joh i have _ rishi sunak is the best for the job. i have worked _ rishi sunak is the best for the job. i have worked incredibly. job. i have worked incredibly closely— job. i have worked incredibly closely with _ job. i have worked incredibly closely with him, _ job. i have worked incredibly closely with him, especiallyl closely with him, especially during _ closely with him, especially during the _ closely with him, especially during the pandemic, i closely with him, especially during the pandemic, and l closely with him, especially. during the pandemic, and he closely with him, especially- during the pandemic, and he has what _ during the pandemic, and he has what it— during the pandemic, and he has what it takes _ during the pandemic, and he has what it takes.— what it ta

sunak to beg for a loan or— will go to rishi sunak to beg for a loan or a — will go to rishi sunak to beg for a loan or a gift. that's sweeping generalisation about the tory party it is only— generalisation about the tory party it is only based on what we write so far about _ it is only based on what we write so far about the incumbent prime minister. — far about the incumbent prime minister, soon to be gone, but actually, — minister, soon to be gone, but actually, the whole thing about the tory party — actually, the whole thing about the tory party as they are about money for goodness' sake, they are arguing that corporation tax should be cut instead _ that corporation tax should be cut instead of— that corporation tax should be cut instead of increased, so i don't think— instead of increased, so i don't think the — instead of increased, so i don't think the idea of a chancellor wearing — think the idea of a chancellor wearing £300 trainers is going to put other— wearing £300 trainers is going to put other mp5 off from voting for him _ put other mp5 off from votin

of a rishi sunak by— a rishi sunak resignation of a rishi sunak by the way is a highly competent, serious individual, an ex-banker, — competent, serious individual, an ex—banker, next hedge fund guy, knows _ ex—banker, next hedge fund guy, knows a — ex—banker, next hedge fund guy, knows a thing or two about how to manage _ knows a thing or two about how to manage finances. and is getting fed up manage finances. and is getting fed up with— manage finances. and is getting fed up with the fact that you could read his letter, — up with the fact that you could read his letter, there is good to be a bil his letter, there is good to be a big speech coming up in a week or so between _ big speech coming up in a week or so between the — big speech coming up in a week or so between the chancellor and the prime minister— between the chancellor and the prime minister about the economic plan and that would _ minister about the economic plan and that would revolve around, what is the strategy to get us out of this mess: _ the strategy to get us out of this mess, given the fact that we'

kevin said quite rightly that rishi sunak— kevin said quite rightly that rishi sunak had been long expected to stand _ sunak had been long expected to stand when the vacancy arose. liz truss _ stand when the vacancy arose. liz truss has — stand when the vacancy arose. liz truss has also been expected to stand. _ truss has also been expected to stand. yet— truss has also been expected to stand, yet to be confirmed that she will but _ stand, yet to be confirmed that she will but i _ stand, yet to be confirmed that she will but i would be surprised if she doesn't _ will but i would be surprised if she doesn't. and of course, you've got this massive, apparently massive field that looks like it's going to enter_ field that looks like it's going to enter the — field that looks like it's going to enter the race. field that looks like it's going to enterthe race. rishi sunak obviously is a strong contender for the centre — obviously is a strong contender for the centre ground type of candidate, i soppose _ the centre ground type of candidate, i suppose. obviously going to be the leading con

rishi sunak is saying he will close them all down. however, liz truss�*s campaign of hit back and said, you must bejoking, how can rishi sunak claim he is tough and china went only last year he gave his mansion house speech talking about how he wanted closer economic ties with china. so we have an example of rishi sunak coming out with a policy position and liz truss�*s camp just hitting back and trying to undermine that and say, he has completely changed his tune from what he was talking aboutjust a year ago. it what he was talking about 'ust a ear auo. , . what he was talking about 'ust a earam, , ., ., ., what he was talking about 'ust a earauo. ,. . ., year ago. it is an amazing race so far, year ago. it is an amazing race so far. because _ year ago. it is an amazing race so far, because of _ year ago. it is an amazing race so far, because of the _ year ago. it is an amazing race so far, because of the reasons - year ago. it is an amazing race so far, because of the reasons you l year ago. it is an amazing race so i far, becau

you heard from rishi sunak himself but— done. you heard from rishi sunak himself but now _ done. you heard from rishi sunak himself but now the _ done. you heard from rishi sunak himself but now the challenges i done. you heard from rishi sunak| himself but now the challenges for members to decide who is going to be the best candidate taking them to a general election, which also had polling among the membership saying that penny mordaunt are liz truss had been beating rishi sunak, is that concerning?— had been beating rishi sunak, is that concerning? had been beating rishi sunak, is that concerninu? ., ., ., ., that concerning? nostalgia, we had a choice between _ that concerning? nostalgia, we had a choice between rishi _ that concerning? nostalgia, we had a choice between rishi sunak, - that concerning? nostalgia, we had a choice between rishi sunak, liz - choice between rishi sunak, liz truss. _ choice between rishi sunak, liz truss. and _ choice between rishi sunak, liz truss, and penny morgan, and every single _ truss, and penny morgan, and every single one _ truss, and p

sunak says no tax _ having tax cuts and rishi sunak says no tax cuts — having tax cuts and rishi sunak says no tax cuts until late next year. he is presenting himself as kind of the responsible one. he says that inflation — responsible one. he says that inflation is not going to come down until next— inflation is not going to come down until next summer at the earliest, bringing _ until next summer at the earliest, bringing down taxis before then, making the problem worse. liz truss is defending her position and at the moment. _ is defending her position and at the moment. i— is defending her position and at the moment, i mean, as yasmin says, conservative — moment, i mean, as yasmin says, conservative membership who are going _ conservative membership who are going to _ conservative membership who are going to make the decision about which _ going to make the decision about which way— going to make the decision about which way to know which one of those two they _ which way to know which one of those two they are — which way to know which one of those two they are going t

if rishi sunak loses his shine in the same _ rishi sunak loses his shine in the same way, — rishi sunak loses his shine in the same way, it would be a much more extreme _ same way, it would be a much more extreme case of someone losing votes _ extreme case of someone losing votes. before the action comes around — votes. before the action comes around liz_ votes. before the action comes around liz truss and penny mordaunt as the _ around liz truss and penny mordaunt as the two— around liz truss and penny mordaunt as the two standard—bearers of the social— as the two standard—bearers of the social right — as the two standard—bearers of the social right in the social left on this, _ social right in the social left on this, i— social right in the social left on this, i think they'll leapfrog them togethen — this, i think they'll leapfrog them to . ether. , , this, i think they'll leapfrog them touether. , , ~ .,, together. very interesting. most eo - le together. very interesting. most peeple will _ together. very interesting. most peeple will be — together. very interes

you have a colleague pretending to be rishi l colleague pretending to be rishi sunak? we have a whole line—up of colleagues pretending to be all of them. i got back on friday- night, saturday morning, we were in a room rehearsing, doing a paper rehearsal- with five standing candidates. we are just very fortunate. i do these debates with this - amazing team on the programme. an amazing array of smart producers who are all - across all of the policy. detail, and it allows me to test out how the debate is - going to work, so we were doing that on saturday morning. we did another full dress rehearsal on sunday, - and for me, they aren't absolutely crucial- bit of the process. one question i've got for the three of you before i bring in our guest from sky news, and maybe faisal, you're back with us, you can help me here. when this is playing out in real time and there is a lot of information coming your way, a lot of it you wouldn't know is coming your way until you hear it, how do you fact—check it? how do you catch the things that are maybe not as accurate as they nee

—— rishi sunak will have their shoot—out. remember another thing, sunak will have their shoot—out. rememberanotherthing, overthe remember another thing, over the last 15—20 years, rememberanotherthing, overthe last 15—20 years, many expected indians have gone on to take ceo and other critical senior roles in several multinational organisations, global bodies like imf and other governments, etc. this is the ultimate ceo role if rishi sunak wins. he will be an expected in megan —— indian immigrant who will become the ceo of c00. which will automatically postulate huge challenges as well as opportunities. crosstalk i�*m interested in how you frame that. saying this is the sort of ultimate ceo role. it�*s certainly true today, but there�*s been some commentary in the indian press that if mr sunakwins, commentary in the indian press that if mr sunak wins, there would be more focused on india or trade in india. regulation at this point, but any sense that that�*s true? rishi any sense that that's true? rishi sunak

sunak has done a fairly good _ i think rishi sunak has done a fairly good job _ i think rishi sunak has done a fairly good job as _ i think rishi sunak has done a fairly good job as well- i think rishi sunak has done a fairly good job as well so - i think rishi sunak has done a fairly good job as well so you i i think rishi sunak has done a - fairly good job as well so you need to go— fairly good job as well so you need to go into — fairly good job as well so you need to go into hustings_ fairly good job as well so you need to go into hustings with _ fairly good job as well so you need to go into hustings with an - fairly good job as well so you need to go into hustings with an open i to go into hustings with an open mind _ to go into hustings with an open mind. ., ., ., , ., ., , mind. you are conservative party members but _ mind. you are conservative party members but you _ mind. you are conservative party members but you are _ mind. you are conservative party members but you are making - mind. you are conservative party members but you are making a i members but you are maki

. _ backing rishi sunak. we need a leader who can win. and - backing rishi sunak. we need a leader who can win. and the . backing rishi sunak. we need a - leader who can win. and the reality is polling shows only rishi sunak can beat labour, only rishi sunak can beat labour, only rishi sunak can win with the support of leave photos and remain voters. 0nly rishi sunak can win in the north and south between the blue wall and the red wall. he's got the economic leadership, he's got the valleys to bring us all together and he's the only one that can win. bring us all together and he's the only one that can win. two bring us all together and he's the only one that can win.— bring us all together and he's the only one that can win. two hours of boris johnson. _ only one that can win. two hours of boris johnson, jacob _ only one that can win. two hours of boris johnson, jacob reese - only one that can win. two hours of boris johnson, jacob reese mogg i only one that can win. two hours of l boris johnson, jacob reese mogg and borisjohnson, jacob reese mogg and they are b

i came into support rishi sunak. i came into support rishi sunak festival _ sunak. i came into support rishi sunak festival because - sunak. i came into support rishi sunak festival because we i sunak. i came into support rishi sunak festival because we are i sunak festival because we are electing a prime minister and the winner winner of this contest has got to have the experience, the intelligence, the ambition, the vision to set up a new government and have it in place quickly. it is not a youth training programme for learning on thejob. the not a youth training programme for learning on the job. the second thing is i think he has the right values that i want to see someone who fought for brexit, not from afar but was down there in the trenches a political cost to himself at the time. who believes in an open and free market, free trade, taking other people out of poverty through those mechanisms. i think that is what we want to see and it is a breakthrough vision, his clarity of thought that have attracted me to him in this contest. he thought that have attracted

sunak. anyway, she is backing your boss rishi sunak-— anyway, she is backing your boss rishi sunak. there will be a range of --eole rishi sunak. there will be a range of people taking _ rishi sunak. there will be a range of people taking different - rishi sunak. there will be a range of people taking different views i rishi sunak. there will be a range i of people taking different views but i of people taking different views but i look _ of people taking different views but i look at _ of people taking different views but i look at some of the candidates who are on— i look at some of the candidates who are on nry— i look at some of the candidates who are on my wing of the party and who are on my wing of the party and who are now— are on my wing of the party and who are now bagging people who are polling _ are now bagging people who are polling at much lower in these rounds— polling at much lower in these rounds i— polling at much lower in these rounds i do think people need to think— rounds i do think people need to think long — rounds i do think people need to think l

sunak— and they are basically calling rishi sunak a _ and they are basically calling rishi sunak a by doing this. it�*s and they are basically calling rishi sunak a by doing this.— sunak a by doing this. it's the story that _ sunak a by doing this. it's the story that leads _ sunak a by doing this. it's the story that leads on _ sunak a by doing this. it's the story that leads on the - sunak a by doing this. it's the story that leads on the front l sunak a by doing this. it's the - story that leads on the front page of the digital version of the independent. i suppose the difficulty for rishi sunak is that people could easily turn to him and say, if you wanted to cut vat on bills to help people, you've had plenty of opportunity, why didn't you do it before? to plenty of opportunity, why didn't you do it before?— you do it before? to be fair to rishi sunak, _ you do it before? to be fair to rishi sunak, there _ you do it before? to be fair to rishi sunak, there are - you do it before? to be fair to rishi sunak, there are two - you do it before? to be fair to i rishi sunak, there

i think rishi sunak is a bit further away from _ rishi sunak is a bit further away from that— rishi sunak is a bit further away from that stuff but what about raising — from that stuff but what about raising taxes, does that bother you? the tax _ raising taxes, does that bother you? the tax rate — raising taxes, does that bother you? the tax rate is, if you lookjust two _ the tax rate is, if you lookjust two weeks _ the tax rate is, if you lookjust two weeks ago, we had a massive tax cut and _ two weeks ago, we had a massive tax cut and thinks about £330 that people — cut and thinks about £330 that people will be saving and look, we spent _ people will be saving and look, we spent so _ people will be saving and look, we spent so much money during covid—19, it was— spent so much money during covid—19, it was incredible amount of money and there — it was incredible amount of money and there was no way to really pay for it _ and there was no way to really pay for it. a, ,., and there was no way to really pay forit. �*, and there was no way to really pay forit. ., for it. ma

that battle to race against rishi sunak in the final- against rishi sunak in the final two. obviously we did expect that it would probably come down to rishi sunak and liz truss at the end of the day i think is what a lot of people were predicting in this contest, but anything goes in these leadership contests and it's been really fascinating to see how it's played out over the last week as everybody has battled to stay in the race. penny isjust everybody has battled to stay in the race. penny is just about liz truss at the moment, so she has done pretty well getting a lot of np backers behind her in the past week. we shouldn't completely write her off just yet, we shouldn't completely write her offjust yet, i think until we see those numbers for the final time tomorrow afternoon, then we will know the two remaining candidates it will run off again 750,000 conservative members to become the next tory leader of the prime minister. liz truss closing in on penny is the headline in the telegraph. i think liz truss's team is pretty confident they've got the number that they will

rishi sunak with 115, up 14 estimation. rishi sunak with 115, up 1a on five days ago. and liz truss was up seven but still in third place behind penny mordaunt. tom tugendhat lost only one mp but nonetheless under the rules as the person with the least votes he is eliminated. we wait to see what his 31 supporters do. what do you make of these figures? interesting because the first thing to bear in mind is the finishing line... dramatic end to proceedings here! i don't know if one of the candidates decided on the most dramatic fashion to withdraw. i do hope not!— dramatic fashion to withdraw. i do hope not! dramatic fashion to withdraw. idoho-�*enot!,, , ., i do hope not! absolutely not. the to three i do hope not! absolutely not. the tap three are _ i do hope not! absolutely not. the top three are exactly _ i do hope not! absolutely not. the top three are exactly the - i do hope not! absolutely not. the top three are exactly the same. i top three are exactly the same. there was some hope in the liz truss camp they could get more of suella braverman�*s support and

sunak�*s camp. of excitement but also nervousness in rishi sunak's camp.— in rishi sunak's camp. yes, there used to be _ in rishi sunak's camp. yes, there used to be a _ in rishi sunak's camp. yes, there used to be a thing _ in rishi sunak's camp. yes, there used to be a thing where - in rishi sunak's camp. yes, there used to be a thing where the - used to be a thing where the favourite at the beginning never ultimately ended up winning the conservative leadership contest. that got slightly disproved in the last leadership contest where boris johnson was the favourite and ultimately came out quite convincingly on top but that is right, if you are the person to beat, neversometimes right, if you are the person to beat, never sometimes the best position to be in and rishi sunak finally enough will find himself defending his record as chancellor. issues like taxes will always play importantly on a conservative party leadership contest and he has been putting them up recently, we will probably hear from a lot of candidates who would rather see them cut. �* . ., ., . candidates who

— seems to be such a sort of strong anti—rishi sunak camp that liz truss is not _ anti—rishi sunak camp that liz truss is not yet _ anti—rishi sunak camp that liz truss is not yet who bring up. she obviously— is not yet who bring up. she obviously did come third in the race but she _ obviously did come third in the race but she is not exactly where she would _ but she is not exactly where she would want to be particularly as rishi _ would want to be particularly as rishi sunak obviously was somebody who stood _ rishi sunak obviously was somebody who stood down, resigned from boris johnson's _ who stood down, resigned from boris johnson's government to bring it down _ johnson's government to bring it down and — johnson's government to bring it down and liz truss has remained steadfast throughout. she is still the foreign secretary, she is still there. _ the foreign secretary, she is still there. so— the foreign secretary, she is still there. so i— the foreign secretary, she is still there, so i think people looking at her and _ there, so i think people looking at her and thinki

only 38% favouring rishi sunak. liz backing liz truss. only 3896 favouring rishi sunak. liz truss very much _ favouring rishi sunak. liz truss very much emerging _ favouring rishi sunak. liz truss very much emerging as - favouring rishi sunak. liz truss very much emerging as the - favouring rishi sunak. liz truss - very much emerging as the favourite in this leadership contest now. the times focuses on their tax plans or lack of tax plans and rishi sunak�*s case that both of them attacking the other�*s proposals and saying that they would wreck the economies and make families poor. liz truss has got a £30 billion package of tax cuts which will play very well with the conservative members who are going to select one of these two candidates over the summer. rishi sunak has ruled out any tax cuts before next year at the earliest. both candidates are saying that the other one's plans are ridiculous and not going to help the economy. they are both making claims that they have their solution to the crisis that the country finds itself in with inflation in double digit fig

respond to that, rishi sunak. resigning. and security crisis. respond to i that, rishi sunak. resigning from government— that, rishi sunak. resigning from government is _ that, rishi sunak. resigning from government is a _ that, rishi sunak. resigning from government is a very _ that, rishi sunak. resigning from government is a very serious i that, rishi sunak. resigning from| government is a very serious thing and a very personal thing, and everybody makes those decisions themselves. i tried to make it work for as long as possible, but i got to the point where enough was enough for me. we saw what had happened with the chris pincher situation, and i had big disagreements with the prime minister about the direction of our economy. but what that experience has given me means i am the only person who has the experience to lead our country through a very significant economic challenge, because that's what i have been doing for last two years, i'm looking forward as well. they are all good _ i'm looking forward as well. they are all good colleagues, - i'm looking forward as well

i have known rishi sunakfor a long i have known rishi sunak for a long time _ i have known rishi sunak for a long time he _ i have known rishi sunak for a long time he is — i have known rishi sunak for a long time he is a — i have known rishi sunak for a long time. he is a southampton boy. he is a great _ time. he is a southampton boy. he is a great talent, very charismatic, unquestionably has the talent and ability— unquestionably has the talent and ability to— unquestionably has the talent and ability to be leader of the conservative party and prime minister _ conservative party and prime minister. what are you saying in terms _ minister. what are you saying in terms of— minister. what are you saying in terms of his physical approach is what _ terms of his physical approach is what i _ terms of his physical approach is what i think is authentically and recognisably that you're right. you have to _ recognisably that you're right. you have to get — recognisably that you're right. you have to get the public finances under— have to get the public finances under control befo

rishi sunak. _ want to be margaret thatcher. rishi sunak. a _ want to be margaret thatcher. rishi sunak. a very— want to be margaret thatcher. rishi sunak, a very smart— want to be margaret thatcher. rishi sunak, a very smart guy, _ want to be margaret thatcher. rishi sunak, a very smart guy, but - want to be margaret thatcher. rishi sunak, a very smart guy, but to i want to be margaret thatcher. rishi . sunak, a very smart guy, but to some extent. possibly— sunak, a very smart guy, but to some extent, possibly hindered _ sunak, a very smart guy, but to some extent, possibly hindered by- sunak, a very smart guy, but to some extent, possibly hindered by the i extent, possibly hindered by the fact of— extent, possibly hindered by the fact of his — extent, possibly hindered by the fact of his wife's _ extent, possibly hindered by the fact of his wife's extreme - extent, possibly hindered by thel fact of his wife's extreme wealth. and he _ fact of his wife's extreme wealth. and he kept— fact of his wife's extreme wealth. and he kept the _ fact of his wife's extreme w

sunak — and that was one _ so nasty to rishi sunak — and that was one of— so nasty to rishi sunak — and that was one of the things coming through from this— was one of the things coming through from this debate, that it felt like they were — from this debate, that it felt like they were trying to be more cordial to each— they were trying to be more cordial to each other, trying to give fewer attack _ to each other, trying to give fewer attack lines to the labour party. now the i's front page looks like, much _ now the i's front page looks like, much like — now the i's front page looks like, much like the euros, it might be another— much like the euros, it might be another competition there will be won by— another competition there will be won by a — another competition there will be won by a woman. we have sunak on the ropes _ won by a woman. we have sunak on the ropes here _ won by a woman. we have sunak on the ropes here because in yet another pou. _ ropes here because in yet another poll. it— ropes here because in yet another poll, it looks like liz truss is ahead

rishi sunak could nail her blind with policy-— rishi sunak could nail her blind with oli . , , with policy. you're right, because i remember— with policy. you're right, because i remember a _ with policy. you're right, because i remember a lot _ with policy. you're right, because i remember a lot of— with policy. you're right, because i remember a lot of tory _ with policy. you're right, because i remember a lot of tory leadership | remember a lot of tory leadership contests in the last 30 years — i remember the andrea leadsom— theresa may one, and andrea leadsom, it looked like it would go to a proper membership ballot and who knew how it would turn out. she was officially not the front runner but she was putting on a spirited fight. then she poll asked her self an unfortunate reference to having been a mother, which theresa may did not have children — basically she ended up have children — basically she ended up withdrawing from the contest. so you can never say never until the ballots are actually cast, can't you? ballots are actually cast, can't ou? . . , ballots are actual

i rishi sunak fax brexit from the start? ., ., , rishi sunak fax brexit from the start? ~ . , ., ~ start? i think that is important. at the general _ start? i think that is important. at the general election, _ start? i think that is important. at the general election, the - start? i think that is important. at the general election, the electric. the general election, the electric stated that they wanted brexit to be done —— the electorate. boris delivered on getting us out of the eu, but to a degree, brexit is still unfinished business because we have to deliver the regulator e reform to use our brexit freedoms positively —— regulatory. we have to make sure breaks brexit is properly implement it in northern ireland.— it in northern ireland. teresa villiers, thank— it in northern ireland. teresa villiers, thank you _ it in northern ireland. teresa villiers, thank you for - it in northern ireland. teresa villiers, thank you forjoiningj it in northern ireland. teresa i villiers, thank you forjoining us this afternoon. liz truss's plan has been criticised. if yo

rishi sunak or liz truss. one will be the next uk prime minister, it's now up to the 160,000 conservative members to decide. and where is my bag? chaos at global airports as the rate of luggage being lost in transit is spiralling out of control. tonight with the context, former conservative cabinet secretary justine greening and republican larny chen who was policy director for mitt romney's presidential campaign and is now running to be california's state controller. welcome back. it is a bit cooler here today, but not in the united states. a third of the american people are swealtering right now under a heat dome that spans 28 states. record temperatures which might well benefitjoe biden. in the last hour the president has been setting out plans to kicksart his stalled climate agenda. he has been speaking at a former coal plant in massachusetts. as president, i have a responsibility to act with urgency and resolve when our nation faces clear and present danger. and that's what climate change is about. it is

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so there _ transfer her support to rishi sunak. so there is— transfer her support to rishi sunak. so there is not a hard and simple maths _ so there is not a hard and simple maths to— so there is not a hard and simple maths to this. you cannot just line up columns — maths to this. you cannot just line up columns and shift them like army rates _ up columns and shift them like army rates on_ up columns and shift them like army rates on a — up columns and shift them like army rates. on a board. it's all personal. _ rates. on a board. it's all personal, it's all nasty, and... you have _ personal, it's all nasty, and... you have to _ personal, it's all nasty, and... you have to get — personal, it's all nasty, and... you have to get into the weeds with this _ have to get into the weeds with this. ., ., , this. you have teed it up really over the weekend _ this. you have teed it up really over the weekend with - this. you have teed it up really over the weekend with a - this. you have teed it up really over the weekend with a tv . this. you have teed it up really - over the weeke

it feels like rishi sunak is in _ politically? it feels like rishi sunak is in a _ politically? it feels like rishi sunak is in a good _ politically? it feels like rishi sunak is in a good place i politically? it feels like rishi sunak is in a good place to l politically? it feels like rishi i sunak is in a good place to reach the final turn. we have covered enough leadership elections to know that anything can come up and things can change quite quickly. the vote is quite split and it is hard to predict who will make it there. i think whoever is the candidate on the right ought to have a good chance of doing quite well with the membership. that is definitely the view of people who supported figures such as liz truss. perhaps the mp stages the trickiest. but if get to the final two against rishi sunak, who is not promising tax cuts any time soon, and has a tougher message, they are in a good place as long as they can be convincing about what they want to do. i would say that rishi sunak in the past has well with the membership of conservative own polling, but recently has not be