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joining me now, cnn national security analyst peter bergen, author of "the rise and fall of osama bin laden." peter, welcome. let me first ask you, you have written very interesting piece saying that al zawahiri was not a particularly good head of al qaeda. he was not inspirational, in many ways he was not intelligent, he did not revive the group as many thought. so what does his death do to a group that was already, in many ways, in trouble? >> fareed, his successor may prove to be more effective, which is low bar because al zawahiri hadn't been able to revive the fortunes of al qaeda. there is a potential successor, part of al qaeda from the beginning. he's a former egyptian special forces officer, well regarded within al qaeda. he's been living for years in iran, he may be back in afghanistan and he is the likely successor. but he inherits a group that hasn't been able to carry out a successful attack in the west since the london bombnings in 2005. but the fact that al zawahiri was found in kabul in a safe house, was known to be live thing by leaders of the taliban, speaks for itse

peter bergen is a cnn national security analyst and vice president for global studies and fellows at new america. peter, good morning. always grateful to have your perspective on -- you make the case that withdrawing from afghanistan was a mistake, but polling indicated that a majority in the united states wanted to get out. so what do you think should have been done differently and who bears responsibility for how it was handled? >> well, you know, yeah, not a lot of people will claim responsibility that they were responsible for not only what i thought was bad policy and clearly was a very poorly executed policy, but, you know, the polling you referred to, there was a lot of negative polling about how the withdrawal was handled. i think that if you, you know, if americans could understand when they're asked the polling questions a year later, women could not go to work, girls can't be educated, al qaeda's leader was living in kabul, al qaeda is closely aligned with the taliban, all the promises that were supposed to come with the withdrawal didn't happen. but the polling, you know,

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i want to bring in peter bergen, the expert on al qaeda. what is the relationship right now with the taliban in afghanistan? >> very close. don't take my word for. the u.n. issued a detailed report last month. they issued the report regularly. this was focused on isis and al qaeda. the u.n. had a member of the leadership in al qaeda. he had the unusual example of al qaeda being a cabinet member. the taliban cabinet member. of this relationship is very close. this gets to why ayman al- zawahri was found. he was feeling very comfortable. he released and unprecedented number of videotapes. and the comfort level that he had with the taliban. that will be part of the story we will see, as we get to know more about how this went down. >> we are about to learn a whole lot more. you are at the pentagon force. it may be a cia drone operation. no doubt the military is deeply involved in preparing for the intelligence necessary, among other things. to tell us what you learned. >> u.s. military, intelligence community, most exquisitely classified infor

and peter bergen weighed in. >> reason i think that he was killed in afghanistan over the weekend was he was beginning to take a lot more risks. according to the united nations, he had released an unprecedented number of videos. every time you record a video, there is the chain of custody of that video, getting it out there, somebody maybe taking the video. so he was becoming more prominent and i think it seems to me that that may well have been the reason that he was detected. >> this is a very, very symbolic success to bring one of the last of the original al qaeda leaders who did so much damage around the world. again, east africa bombings, a number of other bombings in north africa and elsewhere not to mention of course being a core part of al qaeda when the 9/11 attacks were planned. >> ben we'd mdeman is joining m from realome. hearing petraeus describe it as deeply symbolic, the question is, is it more than that, does it undermine al qaeda and the war against the united states that they waged? >> reporter: certainly symbolic, but the united states does put a premium on sort of