they need to bring on the libertarian party or something like that, because in the republican party, [inaudible] now, i will tell you what makes america great. they are not republicans, they are democrats. millions of conservative democrats now support donald trump, and i am proud to be one of them. now, they refer to him as 45 -- how about 45 and 47, twice impeached? you will go down in the record books. host: jay in mississippi. guest: well, i don't think we need to join the libertarian party, but the caller is making a point about what i think change in the republican party, per--many people previously identified as democrats, maybe they were union members that were economically democrats, but then a lot of those people, they are culturally more maga and have moved white, working-class voters to support donald trump. that is a big part of his base. they find the message that he is selling, the cultural grievance, the idea that he was going to build a wall, which again is false, he cannot do that -- they find that appealing. he has been able to put together a pretty large coalition

we have to be the republican party that delivers. [applause] >> as far as the republican party, do you feel that there are divisions within the republican party as well that you are standing up to maybe and we have heard this before and establishment. will we see more unification of that republican already come november 2024? >> i will tell you this of an open and honest about it there's a civil war in the gop. but i tell you sarah, eileen into it, because i know that iron sharpened iron and there is one way to resolve our disagreement. and that is by fighting it out inside our meetings and offices. that is what we've been doing and we have been doing it for months. but when i want to see from a republican conference, our fingers and -- our voters and our donors in the republican party they will not does if we do not stop what is happening in america. we are a country with over $30 trillion in debt. we have a country that is wide open borders. we have a country that is in a recession matter how they define it. we are in a country whe

deference to the founding republican party. >> way of the disadvantaged of not being able to see it but i showed it to you earlier, a photograph. i see david young who became a white house colleague. >> it was one of those moments in time. >> i think of this is when the power went to your head. this was like the "vanity fair" treatment. is that you in the program? p it was a bunch of different institutions. >> another one of your founder members was a great friend to the library in who is a very important part of the nixon administration. >> he was a superb human being and he went on into the world of words and the one that being of publisher at the tribune for 15 years. he was teaching at george washington university. how would you characterize the general view of nixon circa 66-ish? >> i supposed mixed. nixon backed barry goldwater very strongly. he traveled with them for months but the rest of the rip on people leaned more towards nelson rockefeller who emerged as counterpoint to goldwater. big state digs governor big spender progressive wing of the party. >> the interesting thin

the republican party right now. against the democrats. it's not very factor that republican factions may disagree with one another on how far or how fast move but against the democrats. i think you'll see a lot of unity. but there's going to be a real question whether trump is somebody who can and should lead the ticket. and that's one that's going to come to ahead after the mid term elections arena, you know, top, congressional republicans have been rushing to defend mr. tromp after the news broke that that, that search warrant was executed. is this in any way surprising to you? i want to talk for more about the fact that, you know, you have former u. s. vice president mike pence. he's called on us attorney general mary garland, to give a full accounting to the public of why the search warrant was carried out more lago . you know, of course, my pencil. it's known that he is somebody who was in hiding a win win that the invasion of the capitol happened on january 6th. you had trump supporters who wanted to harm him. so the fact that you k

a conservative parked in a two party liberal democracy like ours, which is what the republican party is and has been, cannot continue to thrive or even exist if the maga authoritarian cult takes over. there is no space for that institution in the world in which donald trump is successful, in which he successfully overturns american democracy, which is to say, to save the republican party, you actually must save american democracy. and somehow, liz cheney seems to be one of the only members of her party to grasp this elemental truth, or at least one of the only ones to act on it. the other republican cowards cannot muster the same courage to do what he has done to save their own hides in the end. instead, they have dealt with this tension, between the need to, again, preserve american democracy and their desire to win elections, retain their jobs, by basically going along with whatever donald trump says, winking and nodding and evading sometimes, pretending they didn't hear it. and that is basically the consensus view. that appears to be the calculation that everyone from florida gove

, normal republicans, college educated republicans out of the party. any of them -- there are still republicans who i think have held out some hope that there was a spark of rationality, and that's gone. so many of them are going to leave, they're going to become independents, vote for democrats or just simply drop out of politics. >> that's where i want to bring you in, cristobal. i was frustrated in 2016, when you heard so many democrats saying i can win the trump voters, the swing voters. you want to look at the base of the party, and think how disrespected that must have made them feel. i wonder where the politically homeless folks will go. most of these folks were not anti-trump policy. they were anti-trump the tweeter. they were anti-trump. like liz cheney, she voted with him a majority of the time. what do you think about that when it comes to democrats? >> i think your analysis is right. what we saw last night in wyoming is a conservative leader in cheney, who is principled, and finally stood up to impeach the president, who was directly respon

how fractured is the republican party right now? against the democrats, it's not -- >> against the democrats, it's not very fractured. the republican factions may disagree with one another on how far or how fast to move, but against the democrats, i think you'll see a lot of unity. but there's going to be a real question, whether trump is somebody who can and should lead the ticket, and that's one that's going to come to a head after the midterm elections. mohammed: rina, you know, top congressional republicans have been rushing to defend mr. trump after the news broke that that search warrant was executed. is this in any way surprising to you? i want to talk for a moment about the fact that, you know, you have former u.s. vice president mike pence, he's called on u.s. attorney general merrick garland to give a full accounting to the public of why the search warrant was carried out at mar-a-lago. you know, of course, mike pence, it's known that that he is somebody who was in hiding, when that invasion of the capital happened on janu

does trump harm the republican party more than he helps them? andrew: i think we will get a pretty certain verdict in november on that question, but to piggyback off of what jessica mentioned, mitch mcconnell has had an east coast, that in the primary you have to send the most delectable republican to the general election, right? mitch mcconnell has talked for years and years about how republicans have been ill-served by candidates like christine o'donnell and todd akin and others, who might be favored among the republican base, and in this case might be favored among the donald trump supporting crowd within the base, and with the former himself, of course, but the problem is that those are not always the most electable candidates. doug ducey is a prime example. chris sununu in new hampshire. i can tell you that senator haskins was relieved when governor sununu announced he was not going to run for that seat. in doing so, he had some interesting comments about the way the senate works today that was really, it really rang true for those that cov

but it's just not that same republican party of ronald reagan or john mccain. it is now every bit as flawed as its standard bearer, donald trump. >> pat cipollone has gone from standing on the senate floor opposing you in the impeachment trial of donald trump, the first one to now cooperating with the fbi, presumably telling the fbi everything he knows about the documents at mar-a-lago. we are seeing congresswoman cheney come close to a microphone, but what's your reaction to where pat cipollone is now with his cooperation of the fbi? we'll go to the congresswoman whenever she needs to speak. >> cipollone is indicative of many people in the trump administration in that, they finally got to a point where there's a line they wouldn't cross. but they crossed an awful lot of lines before that. he was one of the trump enabler, as one of the trump defenders, and we saw that during the impeachment trial when he told the senate there was no evidence of print quote print cuoco was being discussed. that's his history. at the same time, he wouldn't go along with it and in

that's what we have in today's republican party. >> mr. chairman, will president biden run for re-election and should he? >> the president has consistently said that his intentions is to run for president of the united states, and i can tell you the democratic national committee will be fully behind him and kamala harris. this president has a record of achievement. and america needs president biden to continue that effort. >> can you tell us what the status of the iowa caucuses is? the democratic national committee has continued to delay a decision about that. it appears that iowa will lose its first in the nation caucus status, true? >> no, that is not true. listen, at the end of the day the dnc is focused on these midterm elections. we're going to allow the presidential cycle schedule to be determined after we're done. at the end of the day for us at the dnc it's about money -- >> mr. chairman, thank you for that. thank you for that. i know democrats in iowa will listen to you very, very carefully. thanks so much for your time and we wil

it's the republican party -- the question now is why does the republican party want to keep losing? >> aren't they watching news? i mean, reading? >> why do they want to lose the presidency again? why do they want to lose in ohio? why do they want to lose in pennsylvania in a senate race there? why do they want to risk losing big in arizona, or georgia in the senate race. again, it's beyond me. the purpose of politics is winning unless, of course, you don't think elections matter anymore and you think the u.s. government is replaceable. >> joe, if the purpose of politics is winning why would you -- i think this is okay to say -- why would you affiliate yourself with a candidate that is in so much trouble, take one, two, three, all four -- five, whatever investigations, just logically look at any of them. you might find a reason that makes you say this isn't going to end well. >> but, see, look at the trend. okay, we're going to expand a bit on this hour. i apologize that it might be the long suffering alex courson. let's take a look for the dear republican brothers and sisters watch

what has happened to that tradition in the republican party? >> money and the fact that we stopped voting in primaries in the way that we should, "we" being everybody, but particularly republicans, obviously. when you only have a 10% turnout, and that's what the average has been until recently -- 10% turnout of eligible voters in the primaries, that means you have the most partisan, and they tend to be a little bit on the extremes. and for a republican running in some of these districts, they have to worry. they don't worry about the general election because the way the districts are drawn, they just worry about the primary. and that's becoming even more true now in -- in the states in general elections. and i'm a supporter of ranked-choice voting. i think that's a way to force candidates to talk to everybody. that's where we've lost it is, now we've gotten to the point where the only thing that matters is bringing out your base, and, therefore, you need issues that excite that base. it means you hang on to controversial issues because they're

party, the democrat republicans. potato potato. the question is, we the people are the ultimate sovereigns. we operate through direct and indirect mechanisms. we have voting and representative process is. we use juries. some of the audience members from high school, we had a federalist paper. we wrote an essay about the constitution. it was by james madison. he tried to distinguish republicans and democracies. nobody else did. let me read you a passenger too. this is a quote from the other great founders. this is jon marshall, the chief justice of the united states from the early 19th century. this is our greatest chief justice. here's what he says in the constitutional convention. he says, well, we idolize democracy, we contend for a real well regulated democracy, we believe in a well regulated democracy. this guy is named james wilson. he writes the words, we the people, he is the most prominent lawyer of his time. he is one of the six people -- he is one of the first five people on the supreme court. he was an ass

in fact, it's about two thirds of the republican party. so, denying, pointing out the reality, if you have an affinity for the truth, it's not likely to get you reelected. and just look at what happened with the impeachment, the second impeachment. the ten republicans who voted, there's only a left. four of them have decided not to run. for them lost primaries. it's a very potent powerful lie. and i share -- and i wish the republican party that has been, you know, cleaved into, the much larger piece being this authoritarianism, populist, party of trump. i really wish that that one third of republicans who care more about democracy and the constitution then their party would speak up. but frankly, they would lose their seats. >> i want you both to stand by, because we are getting some new information coming in on alaska. let's go through this. because all the polls are now closed. they're in alaska, where we have been closely watching two key nonpartisan races. the latest results in the senate primary show incumbent republican senator lisa

is going to be blamed on the republican party. so we have to have a vision on what are we going to try to solve? it starts with having elected leaders that are willing to inspire incentive fear mongering. we are going through here in texas we are going through a primary runoff election. in the primary that was early in march 300, 0000 people voted. 1.8 million republicans. one point to million democrats. 3 million people out of 30 million. that is terrible. we're going to runoff election excuse me a runoff for the prime rate right now. maybe on the republican side one of 750,000 people out. which means three and 75000 people are probably going to decide a lot of our statewide elected officials because it is texas and that's what's going to happen a general election. we need more people that are inspiring people to come out to vote. the first arm when i was at congress i spoke at sxsw the music movie and technology conference in austin. i am on a panel with a number of youtube stars. four of the other panelists combined had 1 billi

i don't see republican party without maga. what is biden trying to accomplish by using that label might get republicans because i noticed you both used it as well? >> i think we need to understand to get outside of the media bubble. there are a lot of voters out there who have a certain vision of with the republican party used to be. they called it up as the party of ronald reagan, so using the term maga republicans is giving those people permission to change their vote. to vote with us this time. read a point in our democracy where we need to take it when election cycle at a time. every election coming up is the most important election in our nation's history. it is important to the fulfillment of democracy. we need to give these voters a reason to change their mind. people who may have voted for donald trump in 2016, who voted for joe biden in 2020, but maybe they also tried to go back and voted for youngkin in 20 -- we need those people back. using the term might get republican is about giving people permission to lead the

>> because i did not feel that she represent ed the republican party. she took off on her own. >> she thought that she knew what was right for wyoming residents. sorry, wyoming residents know what's right for wyoming residents. >> reporter: her stand made liz cheney donald trump's top target, as republicans in congress stripped her of her leadership position. >> the liz cheneys of the world, we've got to get rid of them. >> reporter: trump basically declared cheney a traitor because she voted to impeach him. >> she has gone crazy. people of wyoming are going to tell her, liz, you're fired, get out of here! get out of here! [ cheers ] >> reporter: even came to wyoming to campaign against her. >> this is the most important election that we have, right here, right here, state of wyoming. this is a symbol. gotta win, you gotta win. otherwise it's going to be a terrible thing for our country. >> reporter: trump's candidate, harriet haggerman, election denier and proponent of the big lie, won decisively. >> today, wyoming has spoken. [ cheers ] >> reporter: f

excuse me on on joe biden and the democratic party is going to be blamed on on the republican party. so so we have to have a vision on what are we going to try to solve and it starts with having elected leaders that are willing to inspire rather than fear monger and and this is you know, we're going through through here in texas. we're going through a primary runoff elections. in the primary that was earlier in march 3 million people voted 1.8 million republicans, 1.2 million democrats. that's three million people out of 30 million. but that's terrible. we're going through a runoff election. excuse me a runoff for the primary right now. maybe on the republican side you're going to have 750,000 people vote. which means 375,000 people are probably going to decide a lot of our statewide elected officials because it is texas and that's what's going to happen in the general election. so so we need more people that are in spying people to come out to vote the first time when was in congress. i spoke at south by southwest, you know the the music tv a music movie and technology conference in

the republican party needs to wake up. because they are becoming authoritarians and they are going to destroy all of us. i just can't understand how this can keep going on. bannon, giuliani. host: all right, robert. adam goodman, do you think ron desantis finds it politically advantageous to keep his distance from president trump and president trump's supporters, either in congress or elsewhere? host: i don't think he is keeping his distance -- guest: i don't think he is keeping his distance as much as charting his own path. he is doing that every day as governor. i think he assumes he and the former president are on their own road. that is the kind of thing the people can look forward to as we crest beyond the midterms in 2022 which will be, in my eye, a political tsunami for democrats. i think it is unfortunate for the democratic party but also fortunate they learn the lessons quickly. they think this will be a fill in the blank election. it won't be a wave election, it will be a tsunami. i think the normal turnover in t

republican party. caller: yes, i feel like the former president trump had several things that he did while he was president that i was pleased, i was proud of him. but i think some things that are coming out about how he ran his government are very bad, not just bad, they are very bad. i know somebody who has worked in most areas of government in the washington, d.c., area. i would say his handling of the secret documents is just abominable, not acceptable at all for anyone to handle documents that way, but certainly not the president. his underlying dishonesty and willingness to not present himself honestly is what bothers me the most. i do think he had some wonderful things that he could have continued to do for the country though. thank you very much. host: before you go, i do not know if you were listening at the top of the show -- were you surprised by the polling that shows that donald trump's standing in the republican party has gone up since the fbi raid? caller: i am surprised. i am very upset

which is the republican party at this point. and how insane some of the positions they're taking are. the politics of it doesn't make sense. when you look at biden's approval rating, a lot of things are in there. some of these people don't feel good, because prices are higher. rents going through the roof. inflation is rising. interest rates are rising. whether they think it's fair or not fair, people will worry about whether he's too old for the office. his opponent will also be very very old. but people are worried about how they've bought into this idea that he is too old to be president. i don't think i see that, necessarily. do i think there should be youngblood? i would love the idea of young blood, but we don't have that. what we have is a binary choice. we will have that in 2024. there will be a republican, maybe donald trump, and maybe somebody else like rubio, but those people don't diverge -- far from each other on these fundamental issues, and on the other side of that, binary choice will be joe biden if he continues

this does not have to be, the republican party does not have to be a party of white nationalism. we saw alternative given after the republicans lost in 2012, and they did that autopsy that said you need to do a better job with black voters, with latino voters, with asian american voters. we saw it in the way that george w. bush reached out to latinos. it does not have to be this way. there was a choice that donald trump made to accentuate the worst instincts in the party. it is unfortunately what we are seeing with the likes of mastriano, with this ugliness slate of candidates in arizona. what we are seeing with desantis there in florida, but it is not the direction that the party has to go. >> dana milbank, and former congressman carlos curbelo, curbelo, i'm sorry. thank you both for being with us. coming up, and as russia's invasion of ukraine continues, we cannot forget the millions of refugees whose lives have been turned upside down by war. we will have an update on what is happening, and how to help. that is coming next. p. that is coming next. that is coming next. in three

party or outside the republican party? >> i haven't made any specific decisions or plans about that at this point. >> running as an independent is a pos snblt. >> i'm not going to go down that path anymore in terms of speculating. >> sounding like the rnc is already trying to figure out ways to keep you out. there's an idea to get any debate you have to promise you would support the eventual nominee. that's obviously not going to happen. you're not going to do that. >> i can understand why they would not want me on a debate stage with donald trump. i would imagine donald trump isn't too interested in that either. >> so let's talk about the comm committee. mike pence said this week he's willing to consider testifying if asked. are you going to ask him? >> we've been in discussions with his counsel. when the country has been through something as grave as this was, everyone who has information has an obligation to step forward. i would hope that he will do that. >> you think we'll see him here in september? >> i would hope th

it's not all where trump has taken the republican party. these two parties just don't get most people anymore, and we don't have options. there's no apparatus to like, come up with other candidates. and loosen the hold that the rnc in the dnc have on our presidential elections. it's a shame, and i can't see a way out within the next couple of years. >> lieutenant governor, s.e. cupp, as we all know the government formed by the people, the idea of democracy coming down to, as you suggest, sometimes the lesser of two evils, probably not with the vision was for people to think about. we'll see where it goes from here. thank you both. >> thank you. >> thanks. >> she was 17. and pregnant. and she didn't want to have a baby. so, she messaged her mother over facebook. but now, those messages she sent are being used against both of them, as they now both face abortion related charges. i'll tell you about this case in just a moment. when we started carvana, they told us selling cars 100% online wouldn't work. but we went to work. building an experie

it was a group of people who felt vaguely toward the more conservative party, the republican party. but then like a benjamin israeli, a conservative, yeah, we are conservatives but we have to do things in order for society to stay whole, stay coherent. for people who have confidence when things are working for them. and so, specifically, it was modeled on a british organization called the bo group, which was part of a concern party there, the tory party, but it was a bridge between academic circles, policy world, and officeholders. so, the ripon society said that with this grand pretension with trying to do something like that within the republican party. that was what we tried to do. >> and it was on a ten point scale, it was the group of liberal inclined republican students, entirely? >> yes. grad students. young grad students. whatever. >> early, when it was founded ... >> in was actually starting to percolate in 1962. and it finally, it really clicked when kennedy was assassinated. we really looked at ourselves saying, what are we all about? and what should we do? and we found a

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republican party believes, whatever that still is? sarah: there are two things to do. one is, you have to defeat these dangerous anti-democracy candidates in this upcoming 2022 election. swing voters have to reject all of these people who are election deniers because it is only through sustained electoral defeat that the republican party will have any incentive to change its current trajectory. the second thing it needs is a leader. i think that is really what liz cheney has emerged as. i have watched her through the january 6 committee. she has been forged as a national leadership figure and i think, i don't think she is done. she made it very clear that she is probably going to run for president. i don't think she will run as an independent, i think she will run as a conservative and i think she will take a truth telling she has been doing directly to donald trump and she is not trying to put yourself in -- put herself in the white house, i don't think. i think she is trying to make sure donald trump doesn't get back into the white

is your book at all about what the republican party is today? >> is a look at the reaction, the democrats reaction but i think the colors points, one of the things democratic leadership has focused on and put the democratic party focus on what was winning national elections especially presidential presidency and what it does is a vacuum at the state and local level which republicans have taken advantage of the last several years so one of the things have happened, the caller is right that republicans have been affected working legislation both at the state and local level so one of the critical lessons is for the democratic party to do more at the state and local level and for people to focus on state and local elections because critical issues of democracy are being addressed. >> don is calling in from maryland. ahead.go >> good evening. what's yourn opinion on the future of the progressive wing of the party and what about bernie sanders? do you see him running again in the future? why -- yes? >> what is your opinion of the progressive wing of

donald trump has changed the republican party. it's not just about him, it is now in everything and everyone who operates within that stratosphere, and i think that is something for those republicans like joe was saying earlier who were getting worried about the party, liz cheney, adam kinzinger, this leads them with not a lot of places to go. because it's not about being conservative, it's about being worried about a deep state that we all know doesn't exist. >> jill, how does the law and order and back to blue party that the republican party tried to pretend it was at some point suddenly start chanting defund the fbi and now the iris. you have even some republicans making threats against fbi agents? >> this is all part of the subvert and disassemble. it started, let's go back to the mueller report, when barr went on air and said there is no obstruction, there is no collusion. and then finally when he released the actual report, you could see that that was a lie. it was a diversion and a disassembling. but it was too late because

loyal to the republican party. and who place inecond place their oath to the constition and to the country. and that is the groundwork for authoritarianism that we're going to have to dea with. and it's not just trump. every republican majoreader right now is saying we've got to get rid of this guard rail because it's causing us too much trouble. >> let's actually pause this conversation and turn to the primaries which really reflect trump's grip on the republican party. and, you know, new people coming on the state level. reflecting some of the problems that we've already experienced as a country. nbc news projects tim michels has won wisconsin's republican primary for governor. the trump-endorsed candidate beat out the state's former lieutenant governor rebecca kleefisch who had the support of former vice president mike pence. michels will face democratic governor tony evers this fall in what will be one of the top battleground state showdowns of the year. at the same time, three other trump-backed republicans wo

donald trump's capture on the republican party is total. and there really is nothing for never trumpers do at this point. it is not just trump anymore. we're never trumpers, but at this point it is the whole party. sdug mas doug mastriano, herschel walker. it is everybody that donald trump endorsed. so you have to defeat the ones that believe that the election was stolen, running on the election lies. they have to be defeated and only through sustained electoral defeat does the republican party have any incentive to come back from this incredible anti-democratic place it finds itself right now. >> and so listen to what liz cheney said last night about carrying on her fight against donald trump and trumpism. >> we must be very clear eyed about the threat we face and what is required to defeat it. i have said since january 6 that i will do whatever it takes to ensure donald trump is never again anywhere near the oval office and i mean it. >> she was able to do a lot and perhaps will continue to be able to do a lot as vice chair of the january

same question, what does it say if the republican party, people like this, cannot win in a republican primary? >> i think you had, from the secretary of state in georgia that won after he took a stand against trumps pressure to change the election results, you have seen brian kemp who president trump did not support. you have mixed results out there across the country. to me, it shows that we have a republican party that is in transition. we have a republican party that is having an internal behavior --an internal debate, and those are always painful. we always see that if we are going to have candidates who win, we cannot be simply talking about the last election. liz cheney has done an amazing job in terms of taking a courageous stance, cochairing or vice chair of that committee. it is a tremendous, political cost because her electorate once her back there talking about the rising costs of fuel, and the challenges that they have. every candidate cannot be so focused on the past that you are not addressing those issues. i think she is paying a price for that. >> you are term limited,

he still really holds a strong grip on this branch of the republican party, which is important. the conservative french there are rumors that he might announce or that he is running for president, that he made him outside on his speech on saturday. what you definitely will do. he will say that the election was stolen from him, the last presidential election election. and he definitely also, i will talk a poorly about president biden and stressing the fact that he is too old. i to really fulfill the task of a president. so that is what we're gonna hear from him probably. or that is a t w's. washington bureau chief in his poll in dallas, thank you so much. no rush and caught her sentenced us boss bull star, brittany griner to 9 years in prison, full drug possession and smuggling. she was convicted of carrying cannabis oil into russia. the white house says griner was wrongfully detained and was calling for her release. britney griner entered the cramped court room and defendant cell, hoping the sentencing judge would be lenient that the judge would consider that greiner admitted he

the republican party said there is some speculation that cheney could challenge trump as the republican candidate for president. could you make a comeback? well, it's interesting. see was really run over for the republican party only 2 years ago, many or thomas back you later that she might become a. 6 republican female president, obviously now with her $5.00 on that going to happen at this moment, but indeed she might run as an independent in 2024 that she will win the white house. but what she could do, she could feel donald on some rather moderate republican boat, and that would be kind of a revenge because that would make it difficult for him to go back into the white house in his pool in wyoming. many thanks. his reminder off the top story with following for you at this hour a series of explosions has rocked ukraine's and x, crummy, and peninsula in what's russia's defense ministry says is an act of sabotaged local officials, say a fire spock explosions acid, ammunition depot, injuring to people. and forcing thousands from their homes. ukraine has neither confirmed nor denied any a

it's not going to be trump's republican party, it's going to be the peoples republican party. and it's going to take time to get there, and unfortunately, there was no surprise to liz cheney's defeat yesterday. you know, when a former president spends that much time money and political capital on trying to defeat one of the most conservative members of that republican caucus, you might have a problem. but it's gonna take some time, to affect -- >> how do you get? they're not to cut you off. >> you tell the truth. the weight of reality is gonna be right, it's gonna take the time to get, there you put truth on the table, that fixes problems. it fixes joe biden's problems. if excess americans problems. it fixes inflation, national security, immigration. we go to work and become the party of solutions. that's how we win again. >> even if you are like liz cheney, and out of the job? >> just because you're not an elected office, doesn't mean you can't make a difference. liz cheney is not done making a difference in this country. she's gonna speak her mind. she's gonna speak or truth

however, this is just a sign that the republican party is in trouble. there is a big division about those who put the country over everything else and then there is a -- then there are the ones who put trump over everyone else. hopefully by the time all the just settles those that were favoring the former guy will be showing how badly they fell. maybe the republican party might be able to realize how badly they messed up and get back on track. however -- i really hope liz cheney is one of the leaders of that new republican party. host: julie from woodbridge, virginia, democrat line. caller: as a lifelong democrat, i grew up in a family of conservative republicans and i am so sad. i would have voted for liz cheney if she were to have run for something, but i also want to comment on other callers about what is going on with republicans. i think there is the boyfriend who cheated on me kind of mentality where they just cannot admit to themselves that he is that bad so they continue to support him because that is the decision they made. on the other side, i

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things are going but with the republican party and donald trump. what's actually are you supposed to do right now? what does that mean? what action can you take to say, one day i would like to vote for strong republican party, but that doesn't exist right now. >> look, tom's more optimistic than i am. i think it's not about donald trump. it's much as it is about a total corruption that -- within the republican party. your only choice in that situation is, you have to vote for a democratic candidate. and most of these races. there's really is this dividing line, as you mentioned. it's between, do you believe in democracy, and do you believe in autocracy. and what is the choice. and i think one of the most difficult things for us to come to grips with, those of us who have worked in the party, is they won't an atomic -- autocracy. i don't think trump is a deviation. when you look at these values that tom was talking about, we believed in the stuff, we thought it was true. but the conclusion i have come to is, for the majority of the power structure o