moniz: i think that the post watts rebellion in los angeles gave a lot of artists material to use in their art making, but it also started to define for artists who weren't part of that group the power of what their art making was, and there were, you know, at brockman gallery in 1967 when ibegan, these saturday forums where theyould come d debate what their responsibilities were as artists and as makers and as community members. they used to get into huge fights with each other about what their roles were, what their responsibilities were, what black art was, if there was even such a thing. the power lies with these makers in particular and the ways that they could translate what already was and take, again like the towers, take parts of lots of things and make them into something completely new and their own. booker: i'm claude booker. i'm president of the black arts council and director of this installation. as black people start to decide their--what their fate and destiny will be, as we are not allowed in museums, as we start to develop our own critics and aesthetics, i think th