and that a was, had nato secretary general. yes, it's a story back as speaking there, reacting to vladimir putins, illegal, a land grab in ukraine, and now i'm connected to d w's, brussels bureau, chief, alexandra phenomena who joins us from nato headquarters. alexander, you've listened in to that press conference. can you just sum up the most important points for us? well, i think we now understand better while eons of st oldenburg decided to come forward to day to hold this press conference, he described the illegal annexation of the ukrainian territory by russia. as a pivotal moment, of course, he condemned the illegal annexation saying that this is a father, the biggest escalation of the conflict since the beginning of the war. so you can understand that nato is not only condemning or the annexation, but also that they are concerned at the same time. it was very interesting to listen to him when he was pressed on the question whether nato is now going to call on the ukrainian president to not to take back those next territo

now we have the chance within nato. most other countries what they now in the european union and -- denmark is also participating in the european defense policy. the more countries get more places to play, to develop, and to develop a defense policy. what the nordic countries are looking to is a stronger, alliance within nato and the european union. it will have an effect and on friday, i am traveling to sweden where i will meet with my nordic colleagues to discuss things. >> i am so glad you mentioned finland and sweden and their potential membership. how do you see their pending membership as an impact on the alliance and what do they bring to the table and how do you think the alliance will benefit? >> it will be a huge benefit. both for the nordic countries and the nordic region as a whole, but also for the nato alliance. we have had for generations and especially, the last 15 years, a closer relationship when it comes to defense policy. we had different kinds of corporations and corporations with countries outside

if we maintain a presence in germany, that is a part of nato, there would be no extension of nato's jurisdiction for forces of nato, one inch to the east. it appears that the west is peaceful words have it exactly followed their actions as russian president vladimir putin pointed out, back in february. them when we have promised that they would not push nato's infrastructure eastward even one inch. every one is well aware of that. they said one thing, and they did another, as we say, in our country, they cheated us. they deceived us, and put in isn't the only one. many western analyst and journalists have long admitted to nato's arrogant and toned death policy towards russia over the last quarter of a century. warning that continued expansion eastward would not end well. it would be extraordinarily difficult to expand nato eastwood without that actions being viewed by russia is unfriendly. even the most modest schemes would bring the alliance to the borders of the old soviet union. and what these actions of expanding eastward actually accomplished for the west other than higher energy cost and a

okay, because if they do, it breaks. nato. nato will be a joke. ok, and that's what makes a situation very, very dangerous navigation in washington. well, it's, it's an exit. i mean, it's become an existential fight for both sides at this point, but that's, that's the course to the collision course. they've been headed to for years. the, the issue i think is, as we've right, but we mentioned, i don't think very many people in russia or in the dumbass necessarily care what london or paris or washington think. and i think the thinking is the referendum isn't being held for the sake of nato or, or to us. it's being held for the sake of the rest of the world, which actually does care. and which does have standards and does have a sense of shame that has been thoroughly exterminated in the west of this point. because, you know, for these western governments, it doesn't matter what you do, it's only who you are. so they can't do anything wrong. and, you know, russians and the people in dumbass can do nothing, right? and in fact, as i've mentioned a few

be relevant to nato. china takes a look at when everybody thought nato was fractured. extraordinary nato response we have had since february 24. they need to understand that not only does that recognize a significant military alignment, but it also recognizes a huge economy combining the economies of nato and the united states. china has to understand we were equipped to do what we had to do to have a consequence for russia. if they were to do something similar, they should expect a similar response. hopefully, that by itself has a consequence over china's aspirations. but as you know, there investing across the globe and in many cases you question whether that is for economic purposes. there is an alliance that was stress tested and they are watching our results over time, which is why it is critically important we maintain the commitment to ukraine until there is a successful outcome. nick: do you fear one of the lessons could be, as we talked about ukrainians, really being trained and assisted by the a

so that is enabled by the nato nato was making that happen. and i think it, it is. it's becoming a very dangerous situation because i, i think i just saw a comment or a message from russia to, to nato that, you know, if you put in long range was weapons, you have crossed the red line and the russians don't make idle threats. maxime in this basically the same to you because a, the way it's frame, this is russia and ukraine, but it seems, i mean, in lensky said already in the last few days on seeing that the without american support, he can continue his effort here. and then you have western media sources gleefully saying, yeah, well, the americans and nato, they were out behind the great offensive in konica. i mean, this is, it's not internationalized, it's nato eyes, and it's putting russia against nato. and in the conflict like this, there is no when, when is a i to say that one's going to lose here. this is what i agree with larry, this is getting very scary. go ahead. maxine, well, the thing here is, is not just demands. it kind of a certain reconfiguration of mi

it was a nato operation. it was a legal nato operation. they killed over 2000 innocent civilians and frankly, innocent soldiers who hadn't declared war anybody a mm ah with it was also a vicarious war. it is intended to show russia the new russia that he couldn't go too far the so his case i was mean of what amiability or cost one i scenario yoga. others vienna illegal staying up this year? we say, well, no, but i'm here in the grocery, visio. oh, a national, he was lewinski scenario and lets not us be any with the talk of the psychiatry or say the one. yeah. don't school go doors. yeah. you know what i mean was not he is ashley, cuz we're in the theater yet as in boy. a cool. mm hm. after the collapse of the wall, so a treaty organization, nato expanded east, despite having promised not to. but they did. nato said it's ours. we moved east international law exist as long as it serves american interest. if it doesn't, it doesn't exist. so truthfully, there's no such thing as international law. since the soviet union's collapse, the usa has

this is a nato army uses. nato tactics uses nato intelligence, nato commander, control natal logistics. there's a heavy inflection in the presence of international forces. thousands of them. and there's advisors at every level attached to the ukrainian staff. this is a nato army and they hit the russians in their weakest part. and look, rushes can have to answer some serious questions. the defense that exists in the car code is non doctrinal. it was ridiculous, it was absurd. and when you go up against a nato army, which is what they did, not a ukrainian army and nato army of you are decisively defeated. now russia chose to trade a to, to trade space or men, et cetera. but if it, if this was going to be the battle of the bulge, then we need pads. 3rd army to come in, he crushed, crushed the ukrainians. where is the 1st guard tank army? what happened to them? okay. all right, questions rush love to answer. that's right. okay gentlemen i'm, we would, i, we have to go to a shop break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on the current situation anyway. same ah, ah, l

i mean, this is, it's not internationalized, it's nato eyes, and it's putting russia against nato. and in the, in the conflict like this, there's no win win as they like to say that one's going to lose here. this is what i agree with larry, this is getting very scary. go ahead, maxime. or the thing here is that is not just demands kind of a certain reconfiguration of military apperson, the russian side, which i think will happen. and in the short term, it also means if need to is going always force and weight behind ukraine. and it's clearly the potentials of nato and russia are as symmetric. and, you know, in this kind of conventional warfare rush is likely lose, which is not accepted by moscow that demands really reconfiguring the approach to the warfare and trying to advance to other domains. including non military domains, but seen russia have use these tools as well. but it also demands on the part of russia to more pain on nato countries, including their, you know, public works for, you know, support for a crane and also their economy standing in the military standing. so it

what is nato's reaction? mr. stoltenberg: such a sham votes and referendums do not have any legitimacy. they do not change the nature of the conflict. this remains a war of aggression by russia against an independent sovereign nation in europe, ukraine. this will only further worsen the situation, and therefore we need to provide more support to ukraine. annmarie: is he using this to get support at home, to say that i've had a success after what we saw with this counteroffensive in kharkiv from the ukrainian side? mr. stoltenberg: what is clear is that president putin has not changed his ambition when it comes to ukraine, to take control of ukraine, and we have to remember that he has stated clearly that this is not only about ukraine, but also changing the european security order. that was what he said before he invaded ukraine. so this is about ukraine's security, but also about our security. therefore, these kind of referendums are just another way of making the situation on the ground even worse. annmarie: if

too much disagreement within nato. certainly, hungary, but several other countries as well. certainly are not willing to bring ukraine in when that would auto magically at this point. preclude direct military conflict with russia. nato is of course, completely a political organization, a platform for the u. s. global military hedge him on to project power around the world. it's, it serves both as a physical platform, any political, fig leaf of multilateralism that's, that's what it does. here is the video footage from lou gods where people have been reacting with shares. and here's the accession of the region into russia. and people in her song also took to the streets and celebration, although not for a long due to security concerns are cheese morale garcia reports from the region immediately after the end of his speech during the applause that we heard at the end of that speech, people began honking their horns can hurt people shouting out of their window. certainly a lot of joy but, but i must say it is muted this m

a root waffle. nato has revealed. it was planning to increase his military presence on russia's board as years before the conflict in ukraine of wrapped it in february, as despite moscow's warnings to the alliance. not to cross the t's red lines. we're talking about the biggest overhaul of our military structures since 1949. the planning for that started several years ago. but now we're implementing it with more on how nathan nathan has promised not to move one inch to the 8th. his fair rella is about nato is a defense alliance. they said, however, it turns out the blog had planned to expand its presence eastward towards russia's borders. years ago, long before the current conflict began and ukraine, it seems nato's defense chiefs didn't hold back, emphasizing a need to sustain and increase allied support to ukraine. the addition of finland and sweden and highlighting that nato will back ukraine for as long as it takes with one collective priority. collectively, we must deny russia the possibility to change today's ru

s. sr is attacked by 250 nato divisions. soviet thought so taken over by nato naval forces. the 3rd phase annihilating the u. s. i saw wiping it off the world map to that end, all new weapon types that to be deployed. nuclear, chemical, radiological, and biological, as well as small items. the final phase breaking the ussr into full zones and posting nato troops on its territory. ah, more than 80000000 people. the majority of the huge countries population would have died in the intense bombing and subsequent fighting. they have a series of these cries of war plants, like kennedy briefed on them in the early ninety's, sixty's. he was our of by, you know, any, that a, we call ourselves the human race. but these clans continued for preemptive attacks against the soviet union. but this was, in essence an updated version of the nazi general plan. aust, that envisaged eliminating millions of slavic people and as in world war 2, when much of europe stood united against the usaa for the u. s. plant to muster all nato nations, under the aegis of operation dropshot. in 1949, the sovie

so that is enabled by the nato nato was making that happen. and i think it, it is, it's becoming a very dangerous situation because i, i think i just saw a comment or, or a message from russia to, to nato that, you know, if you put in long range what weapons you have crossed to red line. and the, the russians don't make idle threats. maxime, in this basically the same to you because a, the way it's frame. this is russia and ukraine. but it seems, i mean, in lensky said already in the last few days unseen. and that the without american support, he can continue his effort here. and then you have western media sources gleefully saying, yeah, well, the americans and nato, they were all behind the great offensive in konica. i mean, this is, it's not internationalized, it's nato ised, and it's putting russia against nato. and in the, in the conflict like this, there's no when, when is they like to say that one's going to lose here? this is what i agree with larry. this is getting very scary. go ahead. maxine, well, the thing here is, is not just dem

be relevant to nato. china takes a look at when everybody thought nato was fractured. extraordinary nato response we have had since february 24. they need to understand that not only those that recognize a significant military alignment, and it also recognizes a huge economy from buying the economies nato. china has to understand we were equipped to do what we had to do for russia. if they were to do something similar, they should expect a similar response. they stood up to the stress test and watching their results over time. which is why it is critically important we maintain -- for ukraine. host: do you fear one of the lessons could be, as we talked about ukrainians, really being trained and assisted by the americans more today? for eight years, the taiwanese are going through a slow modernization effort. it's government has a little bit of fighting among its cells. in a way we saw the ukrainians fight. could beijing take the opposite, they need to speed up before the taiwanese embrace -- before the am

wow. finance bit to join nato. his deeply shocked billy normie. people look, but it's on the military financing as an, as an anti militarist lent, or i don't believe in security based on weapon summer, oregon. though my mission is to build a weapons free society where people live in equality and freedom manon, we should remain militarily independent august, boston, and there hasn't even been a public debate about nato and finland. the disadvantages haven't been discussed at the most, nicol nato was made to look like a savior. all of douglas don't go through and that's not what it is. but there is, and i, and galena, you're the say, doesn't go from russia, has left the teams. visitor is alexander bailey, a russia lawyer, and they, he was forced to leave his homeland because of his criticism of human rights violations in russia. many others like him, a now in prison, where we need to, every next step for is like her step down new really you leg deep down. so it's hard to, to believe that all of that stuff is happening now. i, in my country it, we sh

it is about infected, created by, by nato nato's business machine. because you must remember, if nato were disbanded, shareholders in united states and elsewhere in large arms companies would lose millions and millions. they'd only have one year instead of 2 yards each. there are, there wasn't that be terrible. there's a simple method to put it right with the rest of the world. will say we were forced to seize the territory for in order to maintain security. adult edler bring order security and democracy. the reasons used to justify modern was waged by nato and led by the u. s. b. not toys. i installment fund feelin did add to the notes. he hadn't own the controller. emily taylor shaw, the trust leisure politician controller beulah pushed him to the you. one of them global to become undesirable countries and undesirable leaders become the face of the enemy when she gets on manure for reuben, then mon, dynamite and, and folk, i didn't find present here as iceland, that we'd have some fine to come up the abilene high to source ish name stuffs these on

it is about infected, created by nato nato's business machine. because you must remember, if nato disbanded shareholders in the united states and elsewhere in lodge obs companies would lose millions and millions, they'd only have one yacht instead of 2 yards each. there. oh dear, wouldn't that be terrible? ah, there's a simple method to put it right with the rest of the world with we'll say we were forced to seize the territory brain, auto maintained security, adult edler with bring order security and democracy. the reasons used to justify molten was waged by nato and led by the u. s. b. not toys. i installment fund feelin d, that's been north. vietnam, m deacons, toiler, emily taylor, thus leisure political controller. beulah pushed him to the gue one of the global, to become undesirable countries and undesirable leaders become the face of the enemy. when she gets on manure for reuben, then mon zailynn island and folk, i didn't find present here as iceland. the v dot some find command, the oddly enough to source ish named stuffs. these and throu

i'm all a 1000, but they're both inland, cannot join nato. now we should be a peaceful power or an ambassador of non bi manase, while at the more the lad delana ill po, popular, has a completely different point of view. the president of the finish reservists association is a staunch supporter of nato exception. he believes russia cannot be trusted and that it's high time finland abandoned its military neutrality. securing peace through militarism all through non violence, villanova his way. a question that dividing the country ah, yes. ale, pope, aquila from the reservists association is on his way to a place that brings the importance of finland's accession bid into sharp focus. ma'am, avoid that? no. bizarre to aguilar, then we can't just stop here and stretch our legs in the forest. and he got dial up, this is the boy design, but who at the latent even get out of the car without a special permit talk available salem, he sent me sound low back of a le mellum, and had been a star about to reach your its easternmost point i said, if that went

together they are co-chairs of the nato summit. these are premiere platforms of global leaders. this edition is hosted by the transatlantic security initiative. last week president vladimir putin further escalated the dangers swirling around his war in ukraine, his mobilization of 300,000 troops, illegal plans to occupy ukrainian territory and thinly veiled threats of nuclear weapons used. we use. we witnessed remarkable us leadership and transatlantic solidarity since boudin's february 24th invasion in providing assistance to ukraine and boosting nato's deterrence and defense. bipartisan support from congress has been crucial and consistent for supporting ukraine and strengthening nato including the remarkable 95-one ratification by the senate of membership applications. senators jeanne shaheen and thom tillis have been at the forefront of these efforts. today we look forward as the war moves into a dangerous new phase. to our audience, thank you for joining us for this important discussion. i encourage all of you watching to join the conversation on social media and share any

it's nato ascension. but of course, as i say, it's going to be very interesting to see how moscow responds to this, to this application. meanwhile, the saving here in consent, if her and the loss of a half an hour or so, we've heard a lot of shelling, restart it was quiet, full room for a number of hours effectively. but so that shilling seems to have started again. so yes, a very wiring situation, one can only imagine for hundreds of thousands, indeed millions of ukrainians across the country this evening after these new, quite frankly, historical events. charles touch reporting that from ukraine. let's again get the most good side of things. most people, most responding with plenty of flag waving and red square is repeatedly speaking that speech amount of our correspondent in moscow. so give us a sense of the mood them i haven't and what's being said, yes sir, like you said the behind me in the red square right in front of the kremlin, the celebration goes on. you have duffy. and if i didn't put in the

all 30 nato members. one would think also because of ukraine situation oversee being at war at the moment that has huge legal and complicated implications as well in this far as it's nato a sanction. but of course, as i say, it's going to be very interesting to see how moscow responds to this, to this application. when at least 25 people have been killed in a missile strike near the southern euclid city of zepp, reject the regional governor saying the missile hit a convoy of civilian vehicles in the outskirts. the city at both russia and ukraine are acute each other for the attack abraham. it has more now from south region. it's been a very quiet day ever since those ceremonies started in moscow in the morning. there was one air, simon, after the other, and of course over early morning there was that who refigure attack on a convoy of people going back to the russian occupied side of zappa region because rush only holds 50 percent more or less of this region. it was a convoy of humanitarian workers bringi

these are decisions by member states of nato. i was just in washington talk to high ranking people at the pentagon, and they are convinced that the american pipeline is working and the deliveries will make it to the front line in the next few weeks. but these are some new items of equipment. soldiers in training, remember the united states is past the bill in congress, authorizing $40000000000.00 for ukraine, half of it for arm. that's a multiple of the ukranian defense budget, let alone it's procurement budget. poland is also rallying round countries in the ukraine region per capita. contribute it contribute, contributing a great deal. but, but of course, russia has depth. russia is a much bigger country than ukraine. ukraine is outcome. but at the moment, according to the ukrainians, russia is firing around 70000 projectiles a day of their forces. that's about 10 times the number the ukraine can muster. how can anyone expect ukraine not to buckle and this kind of onslaught? the count can be? we always knew that russia would hav

idea of ukraine joining nato. but what many were expecting from that presser? just didn't pan out. you did look quite jittery. you looked like you didn't quite exactly know what to say. the world was waiting for him to give decisive answers, and they didn't seem to get it. i time to learn more about this right out here. when i came to national crossing live to political analyst alexandra pipe. it's a very good evening to you. so thanks so much for coming on the program. you may have been listening to the report just not with the kind of mop in talking about a young stilton book. he sold a book. he really seemed a bit jittery this evening during his stay been to the press, he seemed a little bit nervous. even at times it did seem a bit lost for words, but i wanted to ask you to throw alexander to that the nato chief and said many times that nato condemned the referendums of the territories to join the russia. but let me look, nato is essentially at best. it's a military block, a military organization. why is it get

at >> when it comes to nato to organize the eastern flank and then with nato and sweden and finland and you will see countries filling in the plans of the east that are now filling in the baltic sea in the baltic countries so we will see more activity because what we are facing is putin and it is strong unity and a willingness to support ukraine and willingness to stand by the baltic see countries and the baltic states and others that feel his pressure. >> interesting times indeed thank you for this discussion and to the atlantic council for hosting us have a great afternoon or evening. thank you so much. [applause] . . . . they argue they threaten the environment and produce fish that are unhealthy for humans to eat. >> each form consists usually of ten, 12 cages and each cage holds up to 100,000 fish so a farm itself could contain 1 million or more fish. >> catherine describes but because of the proximity, parasites find many willing host it's easy to spread disease. >> douglas frantz and catherine collins with their book salmon wars. sunday night 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span's q&a. yo