ivanka trump, and eric trump, and the former trump cfo. mr. trump and the trump organization repeatedly and insistently inflated the value of assets to induce banks to lend money to the trump organization on more favorable terms than would have otherwise been available to the company, to pay lower taxes, to satisfy continuing loan agreements and insist insurance companies provide insurance for lower premiums. his conduct was in violation of executive law section 63.12, which gives the attorney general broad and special powers to go after resistant and repeated fraud and illegality. as part of demonstrating illegality under that section of law, we show that they violated several state criminal laws, including falsifying business records, issuing falls financial statements, insurance fraud, and engaging in a conspiracy to commit each of these state law violations. we believe the conduct alleged violated several criminal laws, including issuing false statements to financial institutions and bank fraud. and we are referring those criminal viol

trump. >> i would what trump's game is this time. >> trump got a new game. >> trump's got a new deal. >> heard about trump's new deal? >> trump got a new game, what is it. >> mr. trump! >> mr. trump, please! >> my new game is trump, the game. >> trump, the game, were you deal for everything you've always wanted at home. because it's not whether you win or lose, it's whether you win. >> yes! >> play trump the game, from milton bradley. >> i think you'll like it. >> mr. trump's proceeds from trump, the game will be donated to charity. >> trump, the game, it's not whether you win or lose, it's whether you win. that was a tagline for donald trump's board game in the late 19 80s. at the time, trump was just beginning his journey from new york celebrity to nationally recognized figure. played out basically the same way everything else plays out when it comes to donald trump. you caught what they're saying at the end there? mr. trump's proceeds from trump the game will be donated to charity. trump claimed to have donated 1 million dollars in proceeds from that game to charity. years later, h

trump in the trump organization for their own financial benefit is astounding. >> the massive trump fraud suit. >> falsifying business records issuing false financial statements. insurance fraud. >> tonight, the evidence gathered against the disgraced ex president and his company. the legal jeopardy for trump and his oldest kids. and what prompted the investigation in the first place. >> the president or his company ever inflate assets or revenue? >> yes. >> trump's former lawyer and fixer joins me live onset. >> there cannot be different rules for different people in this country or this state. former presidents are no different. >> senator elizabeth warren on the depth of the fraud and former u.s. attorney harry lippman on the possible charges facing the trump family and their business. plus, breaking news about trump stash of classified documents, when all in starts right now. >> good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. today new york attorney general letitia james filed a lawsuit, alleging what was already obvious to anyone who has ever paid attention. donald trump is a crook. in

i like president trump. i understand the problems with president trump, trust me! i've had my time with him too. i think if he runs in 2024... and you think you will. i think he will. and if he'll talk about, it doesn't have to be this way, folks. the border, too many illegal crossings. crime rampant, inflation out of control, terrorism on the rise, i think he would have a hell of a case. and you see this in polling. you may not like all the things i do and say, and i get that too, but i know how to fix the problems that have been caused by this presidency ofjoe biden. if he does that, i think he has a good chance of winning. senator lindsey graham, we have to end there, but thank you so much for being on hardtalk. thank you. hello there. so far, the weather for the month of september has been one of contrast. eastern england has stayed dry and quite warm. out to the west, it's been pretty wet at times, and partly responsible is this area of low pressure sitting out in the atlantic. you can see the cloud spiralling in an anticlockwise direction. that's the weather

donald trump, junior, ivanka trump, and eric trump but, and former trump organization ceo alan weissenberg and organization controller jeffrey -- . mr. trump and the trump organization repeatedly and persistently manipulated the value of assets, to induce banks to lend money to the trump organization on more favorable terms than what would have otherwise been available to the company. to pay lower taxes. to satisfy continuing loan agreements, and to reduce insurance companies to provide insurance covers for hire limits and lower premiums. his conduct was all in violation of federal law, section 63, paragraph 12. which gives the attorney general brought special powers to go after persistent and repeated fraud illegality. as part of demonstrating illegality on that section of lost 60 3:12, we show that they violated several state criminal laws. including falsifying business records, issuing false financial statements, insurance fraud, and engaging in a conspiracy to commit each of these state law violations. we believe the conduct alleged in this action also violates federal criminal law, in

trump, donald trump jr., ivanka trump, eric trump from serving as an officer or director in any corporation or similar entity registered and/or licensed in new york, to bar mr. trump and the trump organization from entering into any new york state commercial real estate acquisition or from applying for loans from any financial institution in new york for five years, to pay for the financial benefits obtained as a result of the persistent fraudulent practices at an estimated $250 million towards the end of my remarks i will go into the other relief that we are seeking. at the center of this -- of the year-long financial scheme were the statements of financial condition that were prepared annually by and for mr. trump. specifically from 2011 to 2021. these statements were compiled by the trump organization executives and were issued as a compilation report by mr. trump's accounting firm. the statements with explicit that the preparation was the responsibility of mr. trump. starting in 2016, the trustees of his trust, donald trump jr. and allen weisselberg, for the sole beneficiary -- for the

, donald trump jr., ivanka trump and eric trump and the trump organization for what she describes as a deliberate pattern of bank, tax and insurance fraud going back years identifying more than 200 alleged violations that include trump allegedly falsely doubling, tripling or even more the values of his properties to gain financial advantage. >> fraud and deception used by

with donald trump, they took on another calling. reshaping the federal judiciary for generations and working inside the white house to influence national policy. as hemorrhage writes in his book -- the position of a new snake in washington, after decades of swelling ambition. what transpired at the donald trump era was an extraordinary transfer of talent. it brought the law form to a new administration. joining us now is david hemorrhage. he's an investigative journalist that the new york times and the author of the four mentioned book. it's a 30 reported we'd. david, congrats on the publication. >> thank you. good to be here. >> how did this happen? we know jones day leans conservative, but it's been supercharged and the run up to the election in 2016, and of course, once trump was president. for people who haven't read the puck, can you explain that metamorphosis and offer more details on the appalachian of this law form? >> the started years before trump came up in the political scene. john's day under its management partner, a c

, and donald trump deserves every privilege because he is donald trump. to incorporate what we learned tonight, i don't follow, even from judge cannons ruling, what is supposed to happen with this special master as they go through all of these records that donald trump apparently will claim recovered by executive privilege. but will also highly classified. i don't follow from her analysis what she thinks the special master is going to do. say the record is all are all covered by executive privilege. under the supreme court president from the nixon era of the first one, the u.s. be nixon, it doesn't matter. even if for an incumbent president invoking that privilege, it has to give way for the criminal, or the interest in the criminal investigation to pursue potential criminal inquiry. what possible would exist here that would override it in the context of a former president? i have no idea what the special master is supposed to do. >> barbara mcquade, what is annexed epps here? >> while the justice department and the lawyers for donald trump had been direc

trump. new york attorney general letitia james suing donald trump, his children and entire company. this is a culmination of this investigation she has so doggedly pursued. we're going to get into it with our experts. let me tell you, james is saying trump has committed "staggering fraud," that he lied about the value of his properties, that he lied to the authorities, that he lied in financial statements, that he did it for over a decade, and that he furnished, and this matters for the law, false information to banks, insurance companies, as well as state authorities and then he would try to get favorable loans and cheat on his taxes. >> pattern of fraud and deception that was used by mr. trump and the trump organization for their own financial benefit is astounding. claiming you have money that you do not have does not amount to "the art of the deal." it's the art of the steal. and there can not be different rules for different people in this country or in this state. and former presidents

as executive vice presidents of the trump organization, donald trump jr., ivanka trump, and eric trump were also aware of and knowingly participated in the scheme, indeed the fraudulent scheme was integral to the business of the trump organization and required the participation of trump and his children as well. joining me now is msnbc news correspondent tom winter. and an msnbc contributor. let me start you with and kind of give us the broad strike if you will, for the children's involvement in this suit. >> well, i mean they are tied definitely to this because they have had an active role in the business, and just to pick up on an interesting conversation you were just having, as far as the long term impacts on the trump organization, the banks that currently hold the loans now, they might decide, you know what, we're going to keep going with this, we have a lawsuit and we like the terms of it and keep going from there, and they may have covenants in those agreements that they may have to come back to the trumps and do something different with the loans, but going forward, i think, a

donald trump. stuff that should not have happened happened. and the greg craig case that we now know about from geoffrey berman because of his book, that's just the start. and of course, this book arrives at sort of an important moment. if you step back for a second, think about what's going on, the justice department right now under president biden is under this hot, hot spotlight because of what we now know are multiple active federal investigations that involve former president trump. just tonight, "the new york times" is reporting and nbc has confirmed that at least 40 trump advisers and campaign staff were served with subpoenas last week from a federal grand jury. at least two of them had their cell phones seized by the fbi. but 40 of them got subpoenas. and you know, we have to guess, like musical chairs style, which of the many, many, many active federal criminal investigations surrounding trump might have gizzen rise to these 40 new subpoenas. take a number, right? but in the midst of this

trump was well aware of. based on that inflated square footage, the value of the apartment in 2015 and 2016 was 300 and $27 million. to this date, no apartment in new york city has ever sold for close to that amount. tripling the size of the apartment for purposes of the valuation was intentional and deliberate fraud. not an honest mistake. >> the attorney general noted the vindication began after former trump lawyer michael cohen testified before congress back in 2019. did >> the president ever provide inflated assets to an insurance company? >> yes. >> was the president interested real reducing his local real estate tax bills? >> yes. >> and how did you do that? >> what you do is, you deflate the value of the asset and then you put in a request to the tax department for a deduction. >> new york state lawsuit seeks to recover 250 million bucks from the trump organization, and james says she hopes to essentially ban trump and his kids from running any businesses in new york. trump's lawyer says the attorney g

donald trump. and that is just the start. and, ook and this book arrives at important time. there are multiple investigation that's involve former president trump. "the new york times" is reporting and nbc news confirmed that at least 40 trump advisors and campaign staff were served with subpoenaed last week from a federal grand jury. at least two of them had cell phones seized by the fbi. 40 of them got subpoenas. we have to ask which of the criminal investigations gave arise to the 40 subpoenas. but in the middle of this, the current attorney general merrick garland who is the world's least likely target for attacks, right, honestly, nothing against the man. never met him. he really is the man with the most milk host, most agreeable, most moderate reputation of any human being in washington. that said, because federal prosecutors at doj are investigating all the possible crimes by former president trump, merrick garland of all people is getting the slings and arrows now. republicans coming after

trump himself. she alleges that eric trump, ivanka trump, and donald trump junior, knowingly participated in the schemes. she says trump and his company lied more than 200 times about the value of his assets, and she is seeking a quarter of a billion dollars, that's a billion with a b -- intellectually ill gotten funds -- as well as seeking to bar the trumps from ever running a business in the state again. the former president denies any wrongdoing and accuses the attorney general attorney general, a democrat, the political vendetta. there is a lot to get to in the coming hours here on cnn. want to get straight to our justice correspondent, jessica snider, cnn senior legal analyst laura coates. -- allowing the justice department to resume the review of these classified documents. what can you tell us? what do you know about it? >> don, this was a unanimous three judge panel, notably with two trump appointees. and they gave doj with the prosecutors there have been asking for repeatedly over the past

trump, donald trump, jr. ivanka trump, eric trump, serving as an officer in any corporation or similar entity registered or licensed in new york. to bar mr. trump and the trump organization from entering into any new york state commercial real estate acquisition or from applying for loans from any financial institution in new york for five years. to pay for the financial benefits obtained as a result of the persistent fraudulent practices at an estimated $250 mil million. towards the end of my remarks, i will go into the other relief we are seeking. at the center of this -- of the years-long financial scheme were the statements of financial condition that were prepared annually by and for mr. trump specifically from 2011 through 2021, the statements were compiled by the trump organization executives and issued as a compilation report by mr. trump's accounting firm. the statements are explicit that the preparation was the responsibility of mr. trump. starting in 2016, the trustees of his trust, donald trump ju

donald trump getting hammered again. his latest legal dilemma comes just one day after a resounding defeat in federal appeals court over the classified records that were seized at mar-a-lago. and after, new york city county general filed a massive lawsuit against -- from raymond dearie. he is the special master reviewing classified documents taken from the former guy florida club. judge dearie demanded that the lawyers offer actual proof for trump's repeated claim that the fbi planted evidence during the search. doria also one more sign that ty the foll capit with the special master. this situation might not be working out the way trump they believe the fbi lied about the documents that were seized. and -- goes on to say that he might ask for testimony about the search and the documents from, quote, witnesses with knowledge of the relevant facts. one more sign that the special master he, means business, he is pushing for another judge to help review the thousands of items that were found in trump 's home. the former pres

for trump allies. that's what he did in d.c.. and jeff berman believed that's what he was gonna do in sdny. and jeff berman stop that in sdny, when he refused to resign, he refused to go along when barr said he must resign. when barr in fact said he had resigned, jeff berman publicly pushed back on what barr was doing, and he publicly pushback on anyone interfering sdny's ongoing cases. he insisted explicitly and publicly, literally in a press release that he was not resigning, that they would have to fire him to get out of there, and in so doing he ensured that barr wouldn't be able to take over sdny the way he did the d.c. u.s. attorney's office. berman made it so barr was basically forced to put sdny not in the hands of some patsy but in the hands of berman's own deputy who is a career prosecutor not somebody who would start prosecuting anybody the president tweeted about so vermin yes he's written a book will ask him about that with credit for squawking. if heaven forbid you find yourself working f

this still looks bad for trump, doesn't it? >> it does, jonathan i suppose the most generous explanation is that the documents were simply removed from the folders and we're screwed about among all the personal belongings in the documents. the worst-case scenario is that they are gone they have been destroyed or lost or in some other way disposed of. and that is really dangerous just red alert for the intelligence community to not know whether secrets have been lost. and to not have the documents, and not know what the contents were. they will have to go back and try to figure out and recreate what was the document that was in there? and is it now out there and has that information been compromised? so this is just red alert stuff for the intelligence community. >> red alert indeed. peter, just wondering. trump's lawyers push for this inventory to be relieved but does this help them? >> it does not. it doesn't look good, obviously, it raises questions that they don't actually call into question the fbi's conduct, as much as it

directly but the trump organization, that's him that's president trump. it was a family run organization and it was all president trump. that is just one example, the documents, to january 6th, congress, so many things -- we are going to hear, perhaps, from laetitia james, the new york state attorney general, about her investigation into some of the business practices. we are looking for to hearing that. he has so many issues on the plate right now that he has a battery of lawyers, ever-changing, of course, cast of characters, some of them leave out of their own exposure or have been paid or what have you. and it is all consuming. it is the war that he is waging right now. >> it's like peter's reading my mind, joyce white vance. new york attorney general tish james. she is holding, tomorrow morning, what is being described as a major news conference. last week, the new york times reported that james could potentially sue trump -- obviously, we don't know what is coming tomorrow. but given what peter just laid out -- given what i have shared, how worried s

you have trump doing what trump does, going to different states, pennsylvania. i am sure he will be in georgia. ohio, for instance, where he's got a big following. attacking his message about 2020 being a fraudulent election. they are taxing his message about him being a target of a witchhunt from the fbi, the doj, and from everyone and their mother. that very much resonates with his voters. the problem that republicans are seeing, and you can see a firing squad already circulating among these republicans who i talked to is that some of these trumpist candidates might be great for primary vots, but not so great for independent voters. not so great for suburban white women voters who are reacting to a lot of the news we are seeing, particularly around the dobbs decision. you see something really happening in the data. inflation is certainly a huge issue. i think it is the number one issue among voters. the second most important issue is health care. yamiche: you bring up abortion -- i want to talk about the importance it has. dasha, you have been talking to candi

sees that donald trump so. the justice department is also asking the court to not allow classified documents to be shared with the special master in the case with donald trump's lawyers. joining our breaking news discussion, right now. our andrew weissmann, former fbi general counsel and former chief of the criminal operation in the district in york and professor practice it and why law school. he's an msnbc analyst. also mohsen, exxon security attorney. >> we knew would we be discussing the appeal. but, now, we have this breaking news from the new york times about herschmann, who now is clearly an important witness in this case. saying he told donald trump, last year, about the legal imperative to return these documents and the legal jeopardy donald trump would face if he did not return these documents. andrew weizmann, your reaction first to this news of eric herschmann and his standing now as a witness in this case. >> lawrence, that is definitely the right thing to start with. of the two stories that we're

the trump organization is still located at trump tower. this really precludes him from anything or is hoping to preclude him from anything else he might try to do and keeps him still and in place and keeps him from doing additional deals. john, realistically, i don't know how many additional deals were available to donald trump in new york where he's a fairly unpopular figure in many places and he always struggled in terms of banks lending to him. but i think this makes it harder for him to move outside of new york. >> you know him better than most. you just wrote a great book about him. how does donald trump take this news? there are many different investigations of donald trump, he calls them witch hunts. this goes through nearly 300 pages through his trump organization and says he's a liar, he's a cheat and worse. how does he take this? >> not happily, john. donald trump has spent decades trying to build up this image as a successful businessman and has tried to prevent any effort to suggest otherwise. tim o'brien of bloomberg, you know

that donald documents went on trump's basement? where they're sort of special hacking that had been used to get information or listening devices? they want to see if there was damage as a result of the way he handled these documents. and this is all very important. was he showing them to random people? was there actual damage? a human source may have been killed. again, none of this is confirmed. but all of that strengthens a prosecution. you want to tell a jury a story. you want to say, it was not just that these documents were sitting in a basement. it was that they caused real harm. >> right. >> and so these are critical things. i want to praise these two trump judges, a term that some legal experts have used is that the judiciary, the judges, are the last wall. many trump judges stood up and rejected his false claims in 2020, a voter fraud. and judge cannon did the wrong thing and i think issued a series of partisan, pro trump rulings -- >> i think we were worried that this was something that we discussed last week, the trump -

it has donald trump on the cover, underneath the caption, trump is hitting on all fronts. even tv. there is another capture below the headline. the apprentice is a television smersh. that magazine cover reportedly hung on the wall and at least five of donald trump's golf clubs at the beginning of his presidency. there is just one problem. it was not real. as washington reporter uncovered in june of 2017, donald was not on the cover of time magazine in march of 2009

trump is the reverse of that. every day you learn something new and worse and draws prosecutors in more. investigations, this one is spiralling for trump downwards. it's not just that he stole the documents. it's not just that he lied about them. it's every new fact that makes the situation worse. so first we thought it was just some documents at mar-a-lago and then we learned it was highly classified documents and then we learned it was human sources and signals intelligence and some of the crown jewels and then we learned he didn't return the documents when the archives asked for them and then we learned the justice department had to get a grand jury subpoena for these documents. then we learned that his lawyer certified that they had responded to the grand jury and turned over the documents when they hadn't, and now we're learning that 43 folders were found with classified -- were bearing classified findings and a whole lot more with military information, and i've just been racking my brain. i can't think of wh

this morning, in a legal filing, trump's attorneys once again failed to say that trump declassified any documents. furthermore, they are insisting that actually these documents might not in fact be classified to begin with. essentially, trump's team is saying, don't trust the doj, because who knows if these papers are really classified. over and over again in their 40 page filing the 100 classified documents identified by the doj, the justice department, or referred to by trump's legal team as, quote, purportedly classified. yes, that's classified in quotes. a little over two hours after that sharply worded filing, trump's attorneys in the justice department appeared in federal court in brooklyn this afternoon for their first conference with the newly appointed trump picked special master, and judge raymond dearie. he is a senior judge in the eastern district of new york. so, brooklyn is his turf. two hours after trump's team cast doubt on the government's assertion that these documents are classified, again, purportedly classified, with air quotes. yes, like this very clearly marked do

she is also seeking to permanently barred donald trump jr., eric trump, and ivanka trump, from running a business in the state again. they want to prohibit the trump business from entering real estate deals for five years. that would be a move that would, effectively, shutter trump's business empire in his home state, right here, in new york. in response to the scathing accusations, in classic trump tantrum fashion, 76-year-old label is quote, racist, and a fraud, and then it is winding, and you guessed it, a witch hunt against him. it is in the hundreds of lawsuits over the last few years. why this one? it could have something to do with the claims laid out by laetitia james are pretty complicated. according to them, the ex president said, his gold plated apartment in trump tower was more than 30,000 square feet, turning into a whopping 327 million valuation. the reality? the xxx clocked in at less than 11,000 square feet, meaning trump inflated it three times its actual value. how brazen, and shameless of a lie, or do you have to be to fabricate something that can be, so easily, fact

, the trump organization. all of this on the same day the federal reserve is meeting, likely going to raise rates another 3/4 of a point. this in the case of this trump suing action on the part of the new york attorney general is about money as well. letitia james saying new york was seeking to make the trump organization pay about $250 million while banning the former president's family from running businesses in the state entirely, adding that her office would make a criminal referral to the u.s. department of justice. quoting here, again, with the help of donald, jr., eric, ivanka, other defendants trump variously again, referring to the former president, she says, unlawfully deflated inflated his net worth by billions of dollarsobtain, satisfy loans, get insurance benefits, pay lower taxes. there are not two sets of laws for people in this nation she goes on to say. former presidents must be held to the same standards as everyday americans. this is a very developing story. it gets sort of in the weeds but

>> let's separate donald trump personally versus those closest to donald trump. if you were saying those close to donald trump, i would say the fake elector scheme that the feds have been investigating. >> part of the january 6th investigation? >> correct. for many people close to donald trump that could be the most perilous. for donald trump personally you have the document case now. something happened this week that i think changed the tenor of this. when you have the 11th circuit court of appeals with two trump appointees coming forward and not just rejecting donald trump's argument, but completely rebuking it, almost mocking the argument and mocking the lower court, it's not just not helpful. i think it sets a tone that's potentially dangerous for him in terms of what the department of justice may do next. >> sara isgur, you have the special master chosen by donald trump's lawyers push back on them as well. >> absolutely. fascinating that donald trump's team picked a judge who had served on the foreign intelligence surveillance court, had dealt so much with c

trump. >> kerry was a target for criminal prosecution, and what's made clear in what the "times" is reporting about the berman book, mike schmidt, is something that you reported about the mueller investigation. what trump tweeted very clearly directed his justice department. i mean, trump attacks kerry, the justice department, and sdny is asked to investigate john kerry, i think, for violations of the logan act, because he maintained diplomatic relations with iran. and then the greg craig intervention is just remarkable. it's a case that was investigated. they declined to prosecute at sdny, so doj leadership ships it out to another office where they do prosecute and lose. >> the heart of this issue here is something that we've talked about a lot and i'm sure we'll talk about in the future is that when you have a president of the united states who talks about criminality and what the justice department should do, it creates a taint, and it puts a shadow over all of the actions of the departme

that does not stop one trump surrogate propublica speculating that the supreme court justices that trump -- would come through for the ex president and his attempts in pennsylvania before the election was even called. >> we are waiting for the united states supreme court, of which the president has nominated three justices to step in and do something and hopefully amy coney barrett will come through and pick it up. there is no guarantee that, so we had to fight this on the ground and make sure that we challenge every place that we are. >> again, the supreme court, as we all know, three of those justices, trump appointed, they did intervene on behalf of trump. we also know that according to testimony from counsel of the former vice president mike pence, a coup plotter, john eastman, was telling people that conservative justices on the supreme court would essentially clear a path for the coup to take hold. eastman was in touch with clarence thomas's wife, ginni thomas. eastman's time people that a pence had gotten along with a scheme to overturn the election and turn it over to state legis

, donald trump jr., ivanka trump and eric trump and the trump organization for what she describes as a deliberate pattern of bank, tax and insurance fraud going back years identifying more than 200 alleged violations that include trump allegedly falsely doubling, tripling or even more the values of his properties to gain financial advantage. >> fraud and deception used by trump for their own financial benefit ises a toupding. the values of asset bis whatever means necessary to increase trump's reported net worth. >> the lawsuit seeks roughly a quarter billion dollars in penalties and seeks to bar trump and his children from serving as executives at any company in new york. and while this is a civil case, criminal charges could be next. the attorney general said her office is making criminal referrals to both the irs and the u.s. attorney in the sosh district for possible federal crimes. >> every day people cannot lie to a bank about how much money they have in order to get a favorable loan to buy a home or send their kid to college. if they did, the government would throw the book at

trump in the trump organization for their own financial benefit is astounding. >> the massive trump fraud suit. >> falsifying business records issuing false financial statements. insurance fraud. >> tonight, the evidence gathered against the disgraced ex president and his company. the legal jeopardy for trump and his oldest kids. and what prompted the investigation in the first place. >> the president or his company ever inflate assets or revenue? >>

of trump with the best of trump, because there is no worst of trump and it definitely he changed by winning the presidency in 2016. what republic voters many of them the base especially expects from their leaders. you know, before trump, you could you know trump's like this character out of the movie where the guy goes on tv and says everything that everybody always wanted to hear, but say because it wouldn't work. and before trump, somebody would run. it's like trump and everybody go. that's amazing. i wish somebody would say that. nobody can say that. they'll lose. well, trump says it all and acts the he acts and he wins. and so you try telling committed republican voter who voted for trump twice and wants him to run or you know undecided but they like him wish he would have won in 2020. try telling him this doesn't work. you can say he lost in 2020. republicans lost the house they lost the senate, but he won the presidency. and he came actually close, even though he lost handily, really came close to winning it again. when you look at the numbers in the six swing states that mattered in

trump had won or had they been successful in the coup early on, would they still be working for trump? and there's every reason to believe that bill barr would still be there. and you know, it's part of this complete moral collapse of the republican party. and what trump has done is he's attacked the institutions of civil society. law enforcement, judiciary, the elections themselves. and as part of that, he finds people who are corruptible. you can argue whether or not -- i don't know what the difference is between being corrupt and acting like your corrupt. it completely destroyed faith in the institutions. which is what is his goal. that is what authoritarians want to do. you don't believe in the system anymore so you have to gee to the strongman or the strongwoman, and that's the way they will save you. and that's just an extraordinarily un-american movement. because we are about these institutions. that is what makes us different -- makes us the world's longest acting democracy. >> you know, what's frightening about it, i think, let's just look. this is from my wonderful downtown

mistreating immigrants is trump's thing. of course trump did implement a lot of awful, cruel, and legally problematic immigration policies during his four years in office. of all of them the most morally bankrupt was his family separation policy. in their new book "the divider" trump and the white house, 2017 to 2021 peter baker and susan glasser detail how the trump administration decided to rip thousands of children and infants out of their parents' arms as an immigration deterrent in 2018. they document how it was decided that would be official trump administration policy. they also explore why the white house walked it back. you might remember this infamous white house press briefing. where trump's second homeland security secretary stood at the podium trying to defend that policy. >> are the children being used as pawns for a wall can you say yes or no to that. >> the children are not being used as a pawn. we are trying to protect the children. >> how is this not specifically child abuse for these innocent children who

trump and the trump organization for their own financial benefit is astounding. claiming you have money that you do not have does not amount to the "art of the deal," it's the "art of the steal" and there can not be different rules for different people in the country and state and former presidents are no different. no one is above the law. every day people cannot lie to a bank about how much money they have in order to get a favorable loan to buy a home or send their kid to college. and if they they did, the government would throw the book at them. why should this be any different. it is a tale of two justice systems, one for every day working people, and one for the elite, the rich and the powerful. >> following that news conference, donald trump railed against attorney general james and released statements and on social media, once again calling her racist and claiming the case is a witch hunt. let's bring in "new york times" investigative reporter, suzanne craig, she has reported extensively on the finances and taxes of donald trump, and won a pulitzer prize

it that's trump's attitude. he didn't carry people thought it was illegal, he didn't care if people told him he didn't have the power. he wanted it done. he pushed, and pushed, and pushed, until he found people who would do what he wanted to do. >> i found it staggering, you coach stephen miller at the moment he consolidates power saying, this is my coronation. this sense of entitlement and impunity is breathtaking, peter. could you talk a little bit more about the role stephen miller played and being the architect of this, and the monarch, if you will, when it came to this draconian practice of child family separations? >> stephen miller carried about this issue more than anybody else. as a result, he became, sort of, the one person within the white house who made sure it was on the agenda every possible way it could be. he convene meetings of people from across the administration, sometimes without even cabinet secretaries knowing about it. kirsten nielsen, john kelly, they would discover afterwards that muell

trump then went to court. a judge he appointed wrote one of the most incoherent decisions by a judge i have ever read in my life. aileen cannon did not seem to even understand the fbi as part of the intelligence community in the u.s. she banned the fbi and justice department from pursuing with the use of these documents whether donald trump had endangered american national security, particularly the identities of spies and cooperating agents. thjustice department appealed this decision and a three-judge panel on the 11th circuit, two of the judges appointed by donald trump -- 15 barack obama -- -- one by barack obama, all agree this is nonsense. in legal terms, they slapped her around for being an idiot. they said of course the justice department, go back and continue to use these documents in an effort to assess how much damage has been done to an american national security and pursue the criminal cases. this is very, very bad for donald trump. the government has made clear they're looking at trump for violat

that the fbi seized from mar-a-lago, the trump nominated special master's message to trump's lawyers was clear. and i quote, you can't have your cake and eat it too. that came following sharp questions from judge dearie over what role they expected him to play in verifying the classification of the documents given this is controlled by the executive branch, not the judicial branch. perhaps it's why dearie directly asked trump's team to declare what if any of the classified documents trump declassified before leaving the white house. trump has repeatedly said he declassified all of them, but that has not shown up in any of the filings from his legal team. today his lawyers reiterated what they wrote in their filing last night, that trump should not be forced to fully and specifically disclose a defense to the merits of any subsequent indictment without such a requirement being evident in the district court's order. as "the washington post" reports, that is a remarkable statement that acknowledges at least the possibility that the former president his aides could be criminally charged.

but harry, have the trump lawyers achieved a classic donald trump delay, here? by pushing things back a week, or more? because of this delay, in getting evander. >> well, a week or more in the overall scheme of things, is not really long. as agile, said it's quite, easy at the media says okay fine, we will get the vendor, and we will have this in a week. i don't know if trump -- he would be well advised to waive the right fly care, i don't know if he's really doing it. but theory has turned into a judge put up or shut up to him. so it's not, it's the things that and we said, but in addition, he now has to itemize tell us which documents, excuse, me which of the document you think are covered by executive privilege. number one, two, three, and why? and the department says that's fine with us, although of course, none of them should really matter. and we already know, tell us if you think that the fbi actually took anything. tell us if you think there is something in the whole court of materials other than what was seized. they're so everything he is saying in the

the attorney general wants to trumps. we banned for life from working for a new york company, prevented from having any dealings with the states banks for 5 years, and to pay a quarter of a 1000000000 dollars in damages. this conduct can not be brushed aside and dismissed as some sort of good faith mistake statements. a financial condition were greatly exaggerated, grossly inflated objectively false, and therefore fraudulent and illegal claiming you have money that you do not have does not amount to the art of the deal. it's the art of the steel door, tom pers labeled the allegations another which hunt he's called leticia james, racist and accused her of filing lawsuit to win reelection writing. i never thought this case would be brought until i saw her really bad poll numbers. she is a fraud who campaigned on the get trump platform. now we'll go to a guess in a moment, but 1st let's have a look at the other investigations into the former president. there's a criminal probe into is possible mishandling of classified infor

trump. in fact, more devoted to him than the republican party. indeed, this is not the stadium-sized draw that mr. trump had when he was running for president or was president, but it is still a few thousand people, one of the larger types of crowds we will see in this midterm election cycle. we ask people here why they support preside trump and what they make of the investigations underway and how president biden sees the. >> he is calling us all extreme radicals. we are not extreme. we just love our family. we love our country. we want what is best for it, and it's not fair to -- i don't do that to democrats. i don't group them all in one category. i have family and friends that are democrats. they are just good people. we just think differently, but i don't call them names. >> in wilmington, north carolina, the high gas prices, the food prices, i just wonder sometimes how the poor people feed their children, clothes their children, send them to school. i'm not happy with it at all. and i