ty cobb did a lot of criminal defense work for trump. that's where he's coming from on the perspective spectrum. he says, though, as a matter of law and facts based on what he can see in public, he thinks the justice department is close to indicting trump and that this probe, based on what we are seeing in public, which is never the whole thing when it's an open grand jury probe, he says the whole thing could be even larger than people realize. >> in my own view, it is about the bigger picture, the january 6 issues, the fake electors, to try to hold on, cling to the presidency in a desperate fashion. the search warrant is unusually large and broad. it's very, very comprehensive in terms of the types of documents that the government could take. >> a former trump lawyer weighing in. we turn to two experts, a former federal prosecutor and u.s. attorney, joyce vance, and daift priest, a cia officer who's briefed the president. welcome to you both. joyce, i deliberately emphasize that as much as there is news to track about the procedural mot

harry, do you agree with ty cobb? >> yeah, interestingly, ty cobb is saying that the indictment will likely go from emerge from january 6th. we have been generally sort of separating them out and people have been focusing on whether the documents themselves would lead to an indictment. but certainly, nothing he said today, you put your finger right on the filing where he said, well, the government says they're classified. but how do we know what that means? of course, that's what it means, to classify something, the government says. or i have this power to declassify, as you say, it screams the question, well, did you or didn't you? the judge is supposed to decide this by thursday and has not, as yet, called for a hearing, which would be a pretty obvious step to do so you can just ask the lawyers who obviously do, as you say, want to avoid criminal liability. well, did he or didn't he? how about telling us? as of now, though, it's on the papers and he's disputed everything, making -- giving her no easy out. she's goin

i want to go to former trump white house lawyer ty cobb. so let me start with something that we learned here about what's in the documents, as we pointed out, hundreds of pages, many boxes of documents. we now know one of the documents according to "the washington post" describes a foreign government's nuclear capabilities. do you think the doj has enough evidence at this point, putting aside all of this business with a special master, just from the evidence you have seen, do they have enough to indict the former president at this point? >> thank you, erin. nice to be with you again. i'm not sure that they do have enough to indict. and with regard to the document as described, you know, obviously if that's in fact true, it's a very serious manner. on the other hand, there will be a lot of questions with regard to that document. you know, was it previously unclassified? who had access to it? et cetera, et cetera. obviously, if it is as described, trump has no business having that document at mar-a-lago, and that does pose, you know, a distin

squad members refusing to back down on her and ty cobb positions by stalling the vote earlier. an republican congressman see police thinks that democrats will never be able to get rid of the defund stench. >> it's unreal that months into talking about helping the police, democrats still cannot stand up and support law enforcement. their party at its core is still embracing the defund the police idea, but it is very telling that the democrats will pay lip service to police but when it comes times to backing the blue they walk away. because they don't support the police. >> judge jeanine: why does this all matter? voters act republicans by a 23-point margin on dealing with crime. juices moderate suspend millions to appear tough on the issue. >> jim ryan knows that defunding the police is ridiculous. he is brought back $467 million to put good cops on the street. i trust tim ryan to keep our communities safe. >> want to hear people talk about defining the police i know that they are wrong. police officers put their line on the line every day to keep us safe, but it's our job to ma

the lawyers he had, emmitt flood, ty cobb, really, really credible. >> there were disagreements between you and pat cipollone. you made clear there were policy differences but you could attest to his cred ibt and integrity. i want to talk about another one of the major trump investigations. a special master reviewing documents seized from mar-a-lago ordered trump's lawyers to back up his claims that the fbi planted evidence at his florida resort. so this seems to put them in a tough spot, either sign a sworn declaration that evidence was planted or not, basically admitting trump lied. >> it's very interesting to me as a form are lawyer and trump insider and someone who worked in the west wing, this is where we're starting to see the bright lines drawn between politics and public relations and the stuff that really, really matters and that's the law and criminal charges. so what you've seen a special master it do this week is a couple different things, which is i've heard you folks in the trump team say you have declassified these documents. it's time to put up or shut up. have you actua

now, another trump white house lawyer, and remember, this guy, his name is ty cobb. he was brought on around the time during the mueller stuff, now, he recently told cbs news he thinks trump will be indicted. and get this, that trump should be disqualified from running again. >> what do you think the possibilities are the indictment of former president trump? >> i think they're very high. it was popular early on, but the fact that it's been delayed and delayed, when we could, you know, easily modify the conversation by disqualifying, and now whether these prosecutors or not, i find sad. >> there's trump attorney general bill barr who misled the public on the mueller report, and enabled many trump 's worst impulses. barr clearly sees which way the wind is blowing. he is now attempting to re-brand himself as someone who critiques trump, and appeared on multiple news outlets, where multiple times, he declared the ex president broke the law. >> i think that the fundamental dynamic of the case are set, which is the government has very strong evidence of what it really nee

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former white house lawyer for president trump ty cobb said this is really about trump's role in the january 6 attack on the capitol. >> i think the president is in serious legal water. not so much because of the search. but because of the obstructive activity he took in connection with the january 6 proceeding. i think the -- and the attempts to interfere in the election count in georgia, arizona, pennsylvania and perhaps michigan. >> who what think of the possibilities of an indictment for donald trump. >> i think they're very high. >> cobb who served during the mueller investigation also said trump's efforts to desertfy the 2020 election were criminal and would merit prosecution. >> having classified documents, particularly if you are actively using them, could be an offense well worthy of prosecution. >> sure. >> well worthy of prosecution. but if, as i suspect -- >> this is about january 6. >> yes. that it is about january 6. i think that is much different. think that was the first time in american history that a president unconstitutionally attempted to remain in power illegally. >> ag

cobb had to say about the mar-a-lago search. >> in my own view, it is about the bigger picture, the january six issues, the fake electors to try to hold on, going to the president say in a desperate fashion. the search warrant is unusually large. >> and bra. >> broad. >> it's very very comprehensive in terms of, you know the types of documents that the government could take. >> earlier this week bill barr said the doj is getting closer and closer and now we hear from tight cop. what do you think about that, mark? >> i think they're right, especially when it comes to the mar-a-lago documents. the january 6th investigation has a lot of tentacles and i think it will take a long time for the justice department to get their arms around all of what happened there. it involves members of congress. it involves people in states all over the country. that can take a lengthy amount of time. but mar-a-lago documents, really, are much more finite case. the number of witnesses is-limited. you know, he took them, and he didn't give them back. so pretty simple case, and easy to understand. one reas

cobb are up for auction, which is exciting because the dentures were originally thought to be flossed. so, uh, what our writer there, believe it or not, ian - [ laughter ] -- did there was he used "flossed" for "lost. that was in case you were confused, which i was -- -- when i read it, because i don't think anybody thinks of lost and flossed as -- as words that are interchangeable [ light laughter ] that would like, be me saying ian is a huge floozer. [ laughter the senate yesterday ratified finland and sweden's application to join nato in a 95-1 vote because we can't a-fjord not to have them on our side. [ laughter and applause so this is interesting before you clap -- [ laughter ] -- and i have to ask you to leave. so i actually thght when i read that joke, "oh, that's clever but i thought fjords were sort of unique amongst the scandinavian countries to norway." but i thought, "well, i'll just googleeal quick and make sure they're also in finland and sweden." and they're not. [ laughter ] but you can't let geography get in the way of an a-plus joke [ laughter ] "singer -- oh, that