with respect to alabama's allegations that our plan goes across the state, so do some of alabama's plan. alabama's own board of education map was drawn at the same time using the same redistricting criteria, which in alabama's guidelines includes race and created the same district that spreads across the state. you had a question earlier about what these traditional redistricting guidelines are. this court recognized that when you are drawing remedial maps you have to take into consideration state and local redistricting criteria except when the criteria violate section two. here core retention will almost always violate section two and our plans try to take that factor into account as much as possible without perpetuating the violation. justice roberts: justice barrett? justice barrett: if we interpret gingles step one is you proposed , is the result is the result of say estate must maximize? mr. ross: not at all. this court has recognized maximization is not necessary and just because you can an additional district does not mean you can satisfy any of the other racial polarization or

at one point in the oral arguments, justin kagan said if alabama prevails in this case, it would cut back substantially on our 40 years of precedent. she also asked, so what's left? i want to pose that question to you. what is left of the voting rights act if alabama ultimately prevails here in, i should note, a very conservative supreme court? >> what alabama is essentially arguing is that the voting rights act only prohibits intentional discrimination. even worse, alabama is saying that any time you use race and redistricting, that that itself is potentially unconstitutional. if alabama prevails on those arguments, then it would make it much more difficult for any state, city council, school board, to draw majority, minority districts and would have really negative effect on the ability of minorities to elect candidates to congress and to every sort of representative body in the country. so alabama's argument also flies in the face of what congress did 40 years ago when they eliminated any intent requirement. >> i read some of the analysis of what we heard in the oral arguments thi

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it added what alabama has been commanded to do here. the only way to add a second majority minority to alabama's plan is to make raised of nonnegotiable criteria. they offer only one way to get that second majority black district. split mobile county, divide by race. the new version of districts of one into stretched to group together black voters with disciplinary as far as west as mobile and the georgia border. the district court relied on these plans to validate the states legally drawn map. that was legal error. on account of race, section two at war with itself and the constitution. if a states plan is a product of its states principle, the plan is open to all voters. because the plan a plan, all claims failed. >> what would you use as a comparator? i assume that your problem is that the year had it race as a nonnegotiable. what would you use as comparator, even if you thought there there might be some vote dilution problems with your plan? >> the plan that would be a adequate comparator would be one that respects all of our tradit

to but if you go back to 1970, to george wallace was the governor of alabama, alabama was still passing literary test, and black voters were just becoming register to vote in large numbers. that's when alabama decided to start making decisions that made it even more difficult for black voters to have representation in congress. >> what are the ramifications? we've seen various portions of the voting act right whittled away, got it, by the conservatives on this court. what are the implications here for this case for the section two of the voting rights act? what would it mean if the plaintiffs here were to lose? >> you know, section two of the voting rights act is, you know, one of the key provisions of the act. it's what has given us representation in congress for people of color. not only in congress, but in city councils and school boards all across the country. and what alabama is arguing is that anytime you use or even think about race and any kind of redistricting, that itself is unconstitutional. so it would really make it extremely difficult if not impossible to have districts in

and alabama, he argued, had produced a race-neutral map. but he also said that, if he considered race, he would be violating the 14th amendment, but justice jackson said, well, i have researched the constitution. i have studied what the framers thought and what they read. and i looked at the amendments post-reconstruction, like the 14th, 15th amendment, and it's very clear that they were trying to bring equality to black amicans who had been treated unfairly, which is exactly what section 2 is doing, she said. so the constitution is not colorblind. and i think that was either a direct or indirect message to justices like justice thomas, who argue consistently in almost every race case that the constitution is colorblind. john: there was also a lot of discussion today about the intent of diluting minority voting power and the effect of it. so let's take a listen to what two of the justices had to say, justice jackson and justice samuel alito. >> you have enough people who are in marginalized groups that another district is possible. people a

and alabama did not seem to want to do that. and still seemed to want to erode the foundation of the voting rights act, section 2. and i am -- i hope that the court will not follow alabama down that very wrong path. >> when you talk about the narrow path, you can chart out what that actually is? because if they don't go -- if the court doesn't follow through with alabama's proposed, you know, the suggestion that they shouldn't have to take race into account when drawing their congressional maps, what could the supreme court do here? and what could -- what damage could the voting rights act sustain in your mind? >> well, first, i think the easiest path for the court to follow is the one that it charted for itself for many decades and that is to affirm the lower court's decision in this case. this is a cookie cutter textbook section 2 violation. you have black voters, as you described, who comprise 27% of the state's population. and only are able to elect an candidate of their choice in one out of seven districts. so what the cour

georgia, alabama, ohio and louisiana. we got a congresswoman over here mouthing the states for me because she's been fighting. and plus, she's in one of them. but this is the point i want to make clear to you, that is five to seven congressional seats impacted by a court that said, we would let unconstitutional statutes based on licensed and because it will be too close to the election to not just let them take it. roland: in the louisiana case the judge said their primary is actually on november, and then the court said, i know it's nine months, but that not enough time. which is mind-boggling when there literally wasn't enough time. >> which is a lie. >> absolutely. she talked about documenting evidence. you had the leader of the republican of pennsylvania was on video saying -- i think it was 2012, we could win with voter id. they were very clear about that. when i talk about this war, again for people who don't understand these battles that are going on, we are talking about well-funded votes, and they are throwing ev

attorneys representing the naacp in alabama say they're confident this will not change alabama, alabama state law in any significant way. today is the second day of the court's new term in a final decision on the case likely won't be released until next spring or early summer. also today, former president trump is asking the u.s. supreme court to intervene in litigation over documents marked as classified taken from his mar-a-lago home. trump's lawyers say an appeals court was wrong to allow the justice department to continue to investigate about 100 of those documents. >> earlier, a lower court judge had ruled that an arbiter or special master review those classified documents before they could be used in the justice department's criminal investigation. trump has said that he declassified all of the documents found in his home. but the appeals court said the trump lawyers have provided no evidence. those documents, whatever declassified it. >> marin county probation officers are on strike. we'll have details on what changes they want to see on the job. and a week after the spacecraft d

alabama is a quarter black, louisiana one third, both have just one majority black district. critics took those maps to the supreme court which is looking at alabama first. >> it's a case-by-case basis, where you have to look at the actual facts of east situation. lisa: the senior legal fellow at the conservative heritage foundation says underneath years of complicated supreme court rulings, a bottom line for the right is that race can be a factor in drawing maps, but -- >> there should be a minimal map, but more important is compactness, keeping political subdivisions, towns, cities, counties together. >> i think it's avoiding centuries of oppression that has been systemic. lisa: a student movement sees current maps as part of any erosion of rights. >> there are some i have talked to that will not be staying in louisiana after they graduate. there are also students who see this as a final straw. lisa: they're waiting for the supreme court to decide in what could be a landmark case over redistricting and the politics of race in america. john and n to help us unpack : today's

live in the state of alabama and be black. that's the to do now. you know, i saw quote for 30 years of being in solitary confinement. all i will know will make it, you know, this chairman say that i'm 3. i'm just release ashley and go through all the all feelings in motion. oh really. and there's another execution i haven't been offered to see a psycho psychology or they just opened the door and say, hey, all, try the liam the best life you can, but we mackerel helped you one way or another. i've sit on death row 20 years at witness scripted. ringback for me being executed, i have to remind myself that i was so close to the, i mean it is a trauma to, to what you're describing, sir, that it would sound like you need therapy. you need some kind of response to post traumatic stress from being in a kind of in the kind of that kind of context for so long. so no, so when i think about bet and 1500000 and i'm, i'm sticking there just for a 2nd because i want to go to understand what you need there for. this isn't like you're trying to make a pay this. am

you were wrongly convicted for to capital murders in birmingham, alabama. almost 4 decades ago, police falsely identified you. they then searched your mother's house. they found your mother's revolver and linked you to the killings without any other physical evidence. as a result, you spent nearly 30 years in prison talk to me about the, the specific factors that you would say influence your arrest and your conviction. well, let me 1st say thank you for having me, but all the police officer did not fire a gun in my mother house. i am the one who told them that my mother only smith weston handler. and i told him, because i knew that i hadn't committed the crime and now was brought up to always tell the truth. and that day i told the truth in little did i know that they would get to go on till the law like the gone match. and it would cost me almost my life in this system is a system. they treat you better if you're rich and you take a poll to report them. so adam, have the money to hi decent defense. and therefore the system, if you don't have the money, can

, alabama. stewart's officers were mourning armbands for 30 days after pelham's death. why did tell him rise in the pantheon if you will of the confederate euro? his heroic actions were spotlighted during his lifetime which made a step in national event in the confederacy. stuart begins postmortem memory with the orders to the army announcing pelham's death and while mostly based in fact the language that stuart tended to use brings pelham into a heroic martyr status just days after his death. a few of the factors we see in the rising continuation of the pelham legend are starting with stuart himself. stuart writes to pelham's father and describes pelham this way, my comrade friend john pelham was to me is the younger brother. if he was -- read my official report since the commencement of the war. these are his of these and had he lived he would have risen to the highest honors in the nation. stuart wants to name his next child john pelham stored in a specifically tells us why this however the l

alabama's population is 27% black. other plaintiffs say the newly drawn congressional map dilutes the voting power of black residents. they are demanding the state create a second majority black district by breaking it up. >> we had to fight for freedom. we had to fight for the right to vote. we are fighting for redistricting. >> democracy is under attack. the country as we know it, if we continue on the road we're on right now, we will not be able to recognize or even spell democracy in this country. >> the defendant, alabama secretary of state john merrill didn't draw the new congressional maps. but he is confident the state will defend them. what's your response to civil rights activists and voters who say that the current congressional lines are diluting african american voting power in this state? >> if they are not pleased with that, then they need to change the constituency of the alabama legislature or the congressional delegation. people in our state have the opportunity to choose where they live. they can loc

f which is an international paper mill in alabama. in fact he became the world headquarters and thedo leased ld another gigantic paper melt right next door. the pollution and african town was so intense but until the mills shut down in 2000. if you look at the epa statistics for the tr are the toxic release inventory, mobile in the '90s is one of the five most polluted counties in american terms of air and water pollution. but if you take those numbers and break them down at six square miles is almost all that sopollution happened. was ranked if the four most polluted counties in the country for amount of pollution dumped on those people. then that city and state decide to build a new hazardous waste froute in 1992 to get waist off of i tent before it went through the tunnel and mobile if anyny f you have driven across i tend you know you go under the river and mobile. so i built a gigantic highway, six lane bridge right to the heart of africa town. they destroyed the houses, the founders built for each other in 1870. lewis great, gre

he went to public school in alabama. and he always says to me that racism stuff, that's your generation. and, you know, my grandmother's generation, that's not us. and i see that in his friends and his his world around him as he grew up. you know, and in alabama, that's so so i feel like incremental progress has been going along. and now maybe we can start churning a little faster and harder and, you know, shedding light is always the way forward, like with stories like that. and you know, he understands that it's not over. but but his point, i think, was, you know, we have a whole different mindset than you grew up with. yeah. and my kids are teenagers. they have a whole different mindset than your son. so while that is progress, we aren't we aren't doing to provide for black people in this country. and i think that's a great question you raised and something i'll spend a lot more time thinking about and exploring what what we could do rather than just create museums. we have a lot of poorly educated white people who wh

assassination conspiracy in the forgotten trial 2021 alabama versus king, martin luther king jr. and the criminal trial that launched the civil rights movement. you probably also know that dan abrams is a tv host on news nation and talk show host on sirius xm and legal analyst. if you live in the mountain at pacific time zones you can also send a text message (202)748-8903. that number is for text messages only. please include your first name and a city if you would and we can also be contacted via social media. we will scroll through the sites just remember at booktv. dan abrams how many programs do you have going right now? you've been described as a media mogul. i'm doing one too many things right now just not sure what that one is. as you pointed out abc news mostly for good morning america sometimes worldme news in 2020 n cetera doing legal analysis. i've done that my whole career in. the newsha nation show is an exciting project. the goal is to do in opinionated news show from the moderate point of view and the right of center folks we hope are going toce appreciate it and

[laughs] john pelham was born in alabama. what he's one of six boys and these boys -- the father was a doctor and plantation owner and the family properties were around alexandria, alabama. tell him is educated locally and he is getting ready to pursue the next step in his education. his he and his brother were known as the wild boys in the neighborhood. they broke out of schools if they don't like the teacher, the team doubled and learned how to write it. and the neighbors were so troubled by the pelham boys, that they predicted that one at least one of them was going to hang. john pelham wasn't destined for hanging. instead, he had an interest in the military. so he got an appointment to west point, which was overlooked by jefferson davis in the mid 18 eighties. he was also appointed to west point by powerful politicians in alabama. the west point years, for john pelham r. 1856 to 1861. and if you are doing some quick math, this early in the morning, you will see that he is there five years. what happened? did he get in tro

that case tomorrow is out of alabama. alabama has a population that's more than a quarter african american. but the republicans who control the alabama state legislature want only one of the state's congressional districts to have a majority-black electorate. under the voting rights act, even a very conservative court with two trump-appointed judges told alabama that they couldn't do that, that that's an illegal infringement. the voting rights act hollowed out as it is, that's what's controlling that case right now. but the supreme court has nevertheless chosen to weigh in, with the expectation being they're going to tell alabama and the rest of the country to go ahead and do what you want, no need to worry about that pesky voting rights act anymore. and if you think that is too radical a thing to imagine them doing, i mean, this is the court that just overruled roe v. wade, right? a recent gallup poll shows the american people say their trust in the court has dropped 20 points just since 2020, just in the past two years

, no, we're not going to allow that at the university of alabama. of and people overwhelmingly said, yeah, good for them. so we don't end end up with a leah thomas-like situation where you've got a guy who identifies as a girl becoming an ncaa champion. credit to riley gains, i know you guys have had her on the fox affiliate talking about how crazy that is. but people here are all fire up. they're ready for texas a&m. you know we had a lot of drama in the off season. gymbo fisher and -- jimbo fisher and nick saban getting on each other. they're all set up, but it's going to be a long day, a lot of fun. and many alabama fans are expecting for nick saban to get a ton of revenge today against jimbo fisher for last year's loss and all the comments he made in the off season that provoked a great deal of discord between the two. will: will it be 4.5 points -- 24.5 points worth of revengesome i said, yes, by the way. that was before confirmation that alabama quarterback bryce young will pay. i don't know if a many, and -- a&m can score 7. >> yeah, look, a&

>> it's a said before and i'll be brief alabama's population is 27%. if youmb look at the number of congressmen thatat they have and figure out who to has the ability to choose their representatives and you look at the data lines have gone african-americans are -- can be in that one district that geographically if you drop a line in the same way you end up with probably two african-american districts or two districts were an african-american would be likely to win. again we brought this lawsuit in alabama and we want before a single judge and we won before a special court. three judges to whom appointed by president trump in those four judges said the lines that were drawn were done so in the inappropriately. the supreme court there was plenty of time. plenty of time to redraw the lines. rejoined alliance after you've had maps doesn't take a long time. they had to redraw the lines of redraw the ballots in the primary and the supreme court stepped in and says nope it's too close to the election.n. really? what you are going to do an alabama's have an el

in alabama you have to throw alabama off. that is the kind of individuals that conservatives seem to want. for those who are diehards. unless there is something that he has done to affect them personally, it does not matter. host: he has a really good point. he is who he is. part of what he is saying is, we should not be surprised what happens in presidency because it was a function of who he was for 70 years 40 arrived at the white house. he had a long career business. he had a long career in entertainment. a lot of the things in the white house could have been predicted. he was constantly litigated with people he did not pay. he was constantly getting in fraud allegations and other things. he was constantly playing racial politics as a celebrity person. the apprentice, all of those legends and mythology. a lot of the things we saw in the presidency could have been foreshadowed or seen if he studied his career, which a lot of people have done. people did not care. they wanted someone who was a fighter for them and spoke up f

that is a lot for a steamboat captain from mobile alabama. and all those reporters would come here, they would interview timothy and then go to africa town and then they wrote a postcard of what the village would look like. so in those interviews we have a treasure trove of the story of what happened to these people from their own math from their mouth the most important was 1814 a mobile woman whose father was a civil war hero and owned a funeral home had grown up knowing some of the africans because they were gravediggers after they were freed. she interviews ten of them while they are still allied on —- live in 1814rs and her book asked them to come and interview who was the last survivor at that point and then that was published a few years ago and is incredible so from the m stories we have all the things that we mentioned and knows that their lives are like in africa and were wonderful. talking about he and siblings would run to the forest and we know how brutal the raid was when he was captured we know the nation that captured was on

alabama vlad to the supreme court to block that ruling. in february, five of the courts six conservative justices agreed that it be re-visited, allowing the map to stand during next month's election. the kicker, for me, is that alabama has argued that drawing a second district for black voters would itself be racially discriminatory because it would favor black voters at the expense of other voters. yet, with all that, it appears after this for past week, the conservative majority on the supreme court is poised to uphold the map. do you have -- first of all, do i have all that right, mister attorney general? >> yet, you do have it right. african americans comprise about 27% of the population in alabama. the black population in alabama is sufficiently numerous and geographically compact so that you could draw a second black opportunity district, which is consistent with the voting rights act passed in 1965, interpreted by the supreme court previously, reauthorized overwhelmingly by congress. every time it was reauthorized, it was signed by

he had moved maine to alabama in 1835 as a very young man. and got a job as a deckhand on a steamboat. by the time of the clotilda, he owned nine steamboats with his brothers, they had three plantations. one for each brother, and they enslaved about people. they were among the richest men in alabama by this point because their steamboats were essentially the only way to move cotton down through the state. there were a few other steamboat captains, but to move cotton from all the plantations. so, you know, when when timothy makes this bet where it's 1859 and mobile is third largest port in the country after new york and new orleans, very cosmo place, very wealthy. and so timothy is on his steamboat making the regular run to which he did every week. and you have to think antebellum, you know, very opulent, gone with the wind the steamboat. there are newspaper ads you can read about the luxury accommodations on board the boat. so after dinner, mer would go out on the upper deck. the male passengers and, they would drink whiskey and smoke cigars

remember, so much of this unfolded alabama. the spot of rosa parks' arrest is on one side of that red line. >> right. >> and the site of dr. martin luther king's church is on the other side of that line. district 7 has a black representative, that's terry sewell. district 2 does not. talk about the symbolism of that. >> sure. when we're drawing maps in this way, we're basically -- in the case of district 7, pooling lots of black communities together. it's called packing. we're packing communities together. in the other districts, we're cracking them. whereas we do have a black population that could warrant additional -- at least one other additional opportunity district, with a we have is those communities being diluted among the remaining districts. so in that map, you see an example of a city that has considerable black history, black communities on all sides of montgomery county and montgomery city. with the exception of those that are on the southwest and western side, those communities have been drawn into district 2, whic

what you have in alabama is like 70, 80, 90% -- about 80 to 90% of black voters in alabama vote for democrats. about 70 to 80% of white voters vote for republicans. one thing that alabama republicans have figured out is if they want to prevent democrats from winning elections, they can use race as a proxy to figure out who they need to disenfranchise. they can say, let's pack all the black people and to a few congressional districts possible, because they know that if they do that, they will be targeting democrats. the voting rights act says that they are not allowed to. the voting rights act says even if you are not acting with versus intent, if your intent is to disenfranchise democrats, if you do something that results in black people having less voting power, that is illegal. although, i am not optimistic that the supreme court will follow the supreme court voting act, as it is rain. >> i want to get your reaction to what we heard from justice jackson on tuesday, because she made her voice present and felt very quickly. she is just the third black justice, the third black woman to sit on

about 27% of the people who live in alabama are african american. as we look at december seven member delegation -- there goes the united states house of representatives. and applying the applicable law, you'd expect there would be at least two opportunity districts, that is, two districts in which african americans would have the opportunity to pick a representative of their choice. the alabama republican legislature drew the lines in such a way that they cracked the african american population and essentially put them in only one district. therefore, you only have about 14% of the representation that they are entitled to in alabama. so the supreme court has to decide whether or not -- the lower court said the alabama legislature did was in violation of the voting rights act. supreme court has to decide -- whether or not that lower court was in fact correct. >> the case was argued alabama solicitor general. what is alabama asking the high court? for sure and you think they'll get what they want? >> it's not totally clear to me what they're asking f

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the case that desegregated ole miss, universe of alabama, university of georgia. and through her work, a civil rights lawyer, she brought, us, the world that we know today, one in which racial discrimination is proscribed under law and the achievement by achievement is open to everyone, regardless of and gender. after she had litigated all of those cases changed the world for us. constance baker motley broke barriers in politics. she was the first woman elected manhattan borough president. she was the first black woman elected to the new york senate. and then after all of that, in 1966, president lyndon johnson appointed her a federal, making her the first black woman to occupy such a role. she was appointed to the u.s. district court and then and what drew me to this life. well it was because when i was researching a prior work, i came to understand that motley had not received the attention, the scholarly attention that she deserves. there had been relatively little written about her. and i thought that the absence of her story in the literature was a kind of hi

the case that desegregated ole miss, universe of alabama, university of georgia. and through her work, a civil rights lawyer, she brought, us, the world that we know today, one in which racial discrimination is proscribed under law and the achievement by achievement is open to everyone, regardless of and gender. after she had litigated all of those cases changed the world for us. constance baker motley broke barriers in politics. she was the first woman elected manhattan borough president. she was the first black woman elected to the new york senate. and then after all of that, in 1966, president lyndon johnson appointed her a federal, making her the first black woman to occupy such a role. she was appointed to the u.s. district court and then and what drew me to this life. well it was because when i was researching a prior work, i came to understand that motley had not received the attention, the scholarly attention that she deserves. there had been relatively little written about her. and i thought that the absence of her story in the literature was a kind of hi

and will that have any impact on strike on union in alabama? and i think some of them are even deciding to leave coalmining completely because they got of getting well that i don't know about people who are getting ready to leave the industry but you're right there have been some workers who are on strike or met have gotten jobs at the amazon warehouse down, the road in bessemer that max mentioned, this historic site of struggle and not only are they, you know, they're picking up a shift because the uaw is like they they furnished strike checks, but 80% of the people involved in the strike are parents like they have bills. they have medical situations like you need money. so pick up a shift there and. they've got some of them have gotten really involved with ongoing amazon organizing effort the amazon union that's not they lost a couple elections but elections don't make break a union you're still a union whether or not you get, you know, the rubber from the government. so that is something that's happening and a lot of the other workers have u