bill barr never had that. he never had to stand face-to-face with witnesses, with defendants come with lawyers, with judges and as result he approached his job with the real lack of humility. the only real thing standing between prosecutors and abuse of power one of the main things is the integrity of the principles of the people who have those jobs. one encouraging sign that i am seeing from a garden administration is a do seem to be a very strict wall of separation between the agenda white house. that's absolutely necessary and i give you one example just recently. the date maybe a month or so ago when doj did the search worked on rudy giuliani psalm, there is reporting later that the biden white house was really ticked off because that night was biden's first joint address to congress. they wanted to be this big moment and get a big chunk of the news media was diverted to the sensational rate on judy. when i saw that story i thought good, good. is exactly what should be. the lasting doj should be doing is c

so the attorney general on the day was jeffrey who had been bill barr's longtime deputy and bill barr left shortly before christmas. and jeffrey rosen was mia that day. i can't really. ellie: what bill barr would've done the day but i think that bill barr, give them enough credit for being rational enough and unwilling, he crossed an awful lot of lines, blinds thati would never thought i would never seen an attorney general crossed but not everyone freedom willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and that he would've done the right thing and certainly not disappeared. i think attorney general has a job and that is to get in touch with the president and tell him like a lot of people are urging him to do, and equipment of all statement to call this thing off. but some of the blame sits on bill barr and the tendency to underwrite bill barr's danger level because unlike some of the obvious rudi's and the brooks and the donald trump tutors out there yelling to the crowds group. even others, very aggressive in your facing bill barr has a soft-spoken manner and he looks the part of the s

why did bill barr with this job? he had plenty of money andrm sadness confirmation semi retired and want to spend time with my grandchildren. i came up with three reasons but one of his power the had been out of the public eye and not a politically powerful portion for 25 years but is intoxicating, people in power. that.s nothing wrong with i don't have a probit that the second -- but let's not bey misled by i don't need this stuff. the man saw power and he auditioned for it and he got it. the second thing is bill barr has long had an extreme view of the law but most of the call gthat unitary the president stands alone on a political system. bill barr push that so far he lost consulate in the courts could use constantly arguing the present is entirely above the law by going to court and drying them past the election or until they wenthi away. the third thing this was an aha moment that we had in researching this book, bill barr is what i call a culture warrior. not just a deeply religious person, that issus fine.t he

why does bill barr want this job? he has plenty ofe money and he says i'm semi retired went to spend time with my grandchildren. not a m politically powerful person but people want power there's nothing wrong with that. i tried to get promoted as a prosecutor but let's not be misled by his i don't need this. he sought power andow auditioned and got it. but the president stands alone andce then to drive these out when they went away and then the third thing and as a culture warrior not just a deeply religious person that is fine. as the ultimate goal to bring it back to public. he gave a hint in his speech that turn some heads. and that is sharking does he said shocking and alarming things in his he was that the only thing asti religiosity but judeo-christian religiosity and secularism meaning those nonreligious aspects of government is the source of all evil so hero. with the bigotry against catholics and then from the fast past few decades what is a larger strategy to preserve the church and see it prevail? how do we

because trump's attorney general bill barr made that happen. barr handed over documents to who else, the wheels of justice are turning, senator lindsey graham. and then the identity was revealed. it was senator graham who said the wheels of justice were turning and that there was more to come from the durham investigation. turns out the more to come part was a revelation, and had nothing. in the investigation that was supposedly uncovering the crime of the century ended today not with a bang, but with a witcher. or perhaps a sad trombone. joining us now is matt miller, former chief spokesman for the justice department in the obama administration. matt, thanks so much for being with me tonight. >> thanks for having me. >> so, there's a lot to unpack here, but what stuck out to me, and i'm sure you got a sense of it in the beginning of the segment is that the charges that he filed all actually ended up painting the fbi as a victim. now, setting aside the fact that the defendants were acquitted on all of these charges, the idea that the fbi was pa

because trump's attorney general bill barr out of him. to make trump happy, barr ended over sensitive russia investigation documents to, who else? the wheels of justice are turning, senator lindsey graham. graham promptly mid them public, and then dentures fbi identity was revealed. it was senator graham who said that the wheels of justice returning and that there is more to come from the durham investigation. turns out the more to come part was a revelation that john durham had nothing. when the investigation that was supposedly uncovering the crime of the century and it today not with a bang but with a whimper. or perhaps, a set -- joining us now is matt miller, former chief spokesperson for the justice department in the obama administration. matt, thank you for being with me tonight. >> thank you for having me. >> so, there's a lot to unpack here, but what stuck out to me, and i am sure that you got a sense of it at the beginning of the segment is that the charges that he filed all actually ended up painting the fbi as a victim. now, s

if you're look at our churches, the seniors with our churches, bill barr hospital, bill barr medical, we need to do more for them, we cannot be taking away the benefits. that is not right. we have to help communities in the addiction crisis. addiction is ripping our neighborhoods apart right now in this city. in my home city there are people starving we need to create more opportunities for people. i know your life is turned around. we need more people to get recovery. we need to help our veterans get the services they need the other side talks about how they protect veterans. they don't protect veterans. the benefits are from the democratic party. that's where these benefits are from. we need to let our veterans know how much we appreciate and love them because our vegans we would not have a free country. we are here to help all americans to live and love and thrive the way they should, these are american values. that's what we fight for every day. that is what president biden fights for every day would people in this room fight for every day. you know the difference between having s

>> reporter: like bill barr? >> reporter: the top republican official in arizona's largest county says lake and trump are lying. >> they think that this allows them to be successful, allows them to raise money, and to energize people. good arizonans -- honest people who think they're doing the right thing -- but they're being sold a bill of goods. >> reporter: it's dangerous, isn't it? >> it is. it's eroding the foundations of our democracy. >> reporter: we heard the same message from lake's democratic opponent, katie hobbs, who is also arizona's secretary of state. what's at stake in this election? >> democracy is at stake. >> reporter: hobbs has pledged to honor the election results even if she loses. kari lake has not done that. you have not said that you will accept the certified results of this election even if you lose this election. >> i will accept the results of this election if we have a fair, honest, and transparent election. absolutely, 100%. >> reporter: but if you were to lose and you went out and y

's you can work with bill barr on that. and then you should look to giuliani and we're not investigating but i was angry because he wanted me together with rudy giuliani. but it's after doing the same thing off in europe but so they are claiming a political contribution to bend the law but then they tried to prosecute their political opponents. but then congress moved out very. >> it is interesting because but that was the end of it they did not but they wanted to move impeachment first but then first to sit back and watch the show but i never thought he was in jeopardy. >> could thingss have gone differently or would it not have mattered? >> in the book you see it is religious 30 and then use that examples during covid so then talk about that religious liberty and during the shutdown and. >> a lot of the governors and mayors they would do this and were clearly treating religious activities like a class activity. but there is another comparable to be free of restrictions imposing draconian restrictions. church? at cannot be

listen to bill barr. bill barr said it. he was then the attorney general of the united states. >> this is what bill barr later said to the january 6th committee. >> these claims on the dominion voting machines and they were idiotic claims, i saw absolutely zero basis for the allegations, but they were made in such a sensational way that they obviously were influencing a lot of people. >> dominion began alerting fox news and other networks of the false allegations they were broadcasting november 12th. four days after sidney powell first discussed dominion with maria bartiromo. dominion says fox news never retracted their reporting. >> you gave them a lot of chances to correct their statements? >> they still haven't corrected them. >> to me that's the most powerful part of the complaint. >> lee lavigne is a first amendment attorney who litigated cases for 40 years on behalf of most media companies including cbs and fox. he's retired now, but his old firm is currently representing cnn and me in a separate matter filed by attor

that i was having conherring as with bill barr, attorney general and fbi director christopher wray about need to put out public statements to not counter who china was doing or russia or iran was doing to meddle in the 2020 election. trey: you and i could not get away with what he has gotten away with, you were once you u.s. attorney in great state of texas. let viewers know, it doesn't mean that prosecutors will go forward, what do you think that u.s. attorney is avam waitievaluating right now. >> if the leaks are accurate and u.s. attorney is evaluates tax fraud charges, if u.s. attorney has them, they have already been reperu reviewed and approved twice in department of justice if they are following protocol, they have to start review with irs district council, then the doj criminal tax division has to green light it before it gets to u.s. attorney. if the u.s. attorney in delaware is looking at this, this is little doubt there is sufficient evidence to of probable cause to charge hunter biden with tax fraud. that is he received income he didn't declare on taxes. my guess is they are

either what he did, his actions or unethical, or the illegal he was contact acted by bill barr, by bill barr's office. and they put pressure on him in order to expunge donald's name and to pull back the charges against me and the plea that i had made to the southern district of new york so that they could whitewash the document. and he did still whitewash it. instead of the 40 pages. it was 20 pages. this is not the way government is supposed to work. and i just scratch my head and i say, where was this guy for five years? well, okay. all right. he needs to hold on to that information so that he could write a book. and i'm saying to myself, this is absolutely improper. it's like brady material that they withheld that i could have used. well, is that going to change anything? no. why? because i already did my time. and now i'm just on a supervised release that hopefully will be over very, very soon. also, you you know, sometimes you wake up and you wonder whose life is this? because i know that this wasn't mine, right? yes. i you know, i had worked i had built myself a life and a wonderf

trump tasked his attorney general bill barr with appointing special special counsel, u.s. attorney john durham, to investigate the conduct of the fbi agents who worked on the russia probe. the ex-president always viewed durham's probe as his opportunity for vindication. you can hear him say it, he would uncover, quote, things that nobody believed. but that dream of vindication was finally annihilated yesterday. "washington post" reporting this, quote, a jury found a private researcher who was a primary source for the 2016 dossier of allegations about former president donald trump's ties to russia not guilty of lying to the fbi about where he got his information. the verdict in federal court in alexandria, virginia, is another blow for special counsel john durham, who has now lost both cases that have gone to trial. so, for those of you keeping score at home, no one durham has investigated or prosecuted has ended up in prison. only one government employee has pled guilty to altering an email that was used in preparing the application to monitor carter page. and now grand ju

so i could go through the litany, it's in the book but even bill barr, trumps attorney general have made allegations before congress that there was going to be some conspiracy about foreign government who tried to submit mail ballots, at the end he said there is no evidence of that. there really couldn't be, it's very complex. to answer the caller's question they barcode ballots, envelopes, they even have really cool innovations on how they run the other actions. they were running ballots as they were moving through the mail system. we do have a very robust system for tracking individual ballots and to anyone who is trying to forge a ballot would have to somehow defeat that. if somebody else had if somebody else was able to forge the ballot for someone who hasn't voted yet that would be a very difficult system to orchestrate and there is no evidence that there were some ballots that were coming in that the election officials were scratching their head sink where are they coming from they knew where they were coming from. they knew the ballots that were being back in their office and they

bill barr author of one damn thing after another with us in studio. want to show you two numbers and two graphics fiscal year-to-date 2022 the amount of fentanyl seized at the southwest border is 12,000 pounds, okay? that's item one. item two. the number of deaths from synthetic opioids primarily fentanyl in the previous year 73,000. what logic can you find that would support the administration's policy over the border that we have seen over the past two years? >> there is no logic. it is an insane policy. do nothing and let it happen and ignore the problem. not just the border, but, of course, the drug problem, which is today a catastrophe. to put it in perspective we're losing not just to fentanyl but other drugs 108,000 americans a year just in drug -- fatal drug overdoses. that's the same casualty rate we experienced during world war ii. we have the equivalent of a world war casualty rate in the united states caused by drugs and that's the personal misery and tragedy but also you have tremendous amounts of money. estimate just came out of over 1.5

barr with investigating alleged misconduct in the fbi's trump russia probe. durham has charged trump russia dossive dos dossiver source. evan, what did the jury decide? >> reporter: on all four counts, the jury came back with not guilty verdicts against the russia analyst who was one of the primary sources for christopher steele's dossier of allegations against donald trump back in 2016. this is the second time now that john durham, the special counsel, appointed under then attorney general bill barr, has taken a case to trial and in both cases, juries have come back with not guilty verdicts. the previous case was against a former clinton campaign lawyer here in washington. that was back a few months ago. in this case, danchenko was on trial inial sand dree ya, virginia, and it's the sail result. now, the last few days, you've seen some struggles by john durham in this case. the judge threw out one of the counts, saying, simply put, that the fbi -- that he didn't lie, this is the accusation. he was charged with lying to the fbi and the judge simply said, he d

and i quoted too many times on this show quoting bill barr. this is what this information manifests itself into now i wish them happy and healthy vitamin d absorption. but that's not why they're there at all. this is the cancer of the big lie. and as frank said, they look more intimidaing than threatening. but being there at the drop box itself is it intimidation. >> yeah, just slap common sense on it, i'm not sure why anyone would need to wear a mask and wear a gun and sit and watch people vote. unless they are trying to tell the people that are voting, we're here to potentially hurt you. we think you're dangerous. we're carrying a gun. we're wearing tactical gear. and, you know, what's really happened here, niccole, you and i talked about this before, the seeds of this began with the republican party who decided it was in their best interest to keep people from voting. to try to do everything they could to suppress votes to keep people from voting. to make people from voting as impossible. two people right wing political operatives pled guil

of course no cases bulletproof, but listen, this was the bill barr orchestrated investigation that he gave to john durham. i don't know why john durham chose to accept this particular task, but he has now failed spectacularly in court, not once but twice, exposing this, if ever there was an investigation that was actually a witch hunt, this one is beginning to look like that. >> beginning to look like that. glenn kershner, carol leonnig, -- thank you for starting us off tonight. we'll take a quick break. when we come back, republicans stoking fear, but offering no solutions to the issues that could decide the midterms three weeks from tonight. and later, the battle for the young voter. an inside look at the dark forces driving young people to the ultra right. and a conversation with the democrat, the millennial tried trying to kick ron johnson out of the state. the 11th hour just getting underway on this busy tuesday night. ♪ ♪ ♪♪ voltaren. the joy of movement. talk to anyone in san francisco and they'll tell you now is not the time to make our city even more expensive by rais

we heard bill barr said that to donald trump. other advisors. but donald trump can respond to that by saying, fine, bill barr said one thing, rudy giuliani and sidney powell were telling me, no, you won, i can believe who i choose to believe. but the testimony we just heard, jim, is different, because that is donald trump himself acknowledging, according to those various witnesses,i know that i have lost. so, that's even more powerful evidence, and if i'm at doj looking to follow this up, i would want all of those pieces of testimony line up to shown what's really a criminal state of mind of criminal intent. >> thank you so much. appreciate it. >>> and i mentioned in trump's response to the january 6th committee that he doubled down on false claims about the to 2020 election. cnn's fact checker daniel dale is here to debunk those claims. daniel, take us through it. >> jim, it is october 2022, and former president trump is still repeating election lies that were debunked 21, 22, 23 months ago. it is frankly hard to believe we're still having to d

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vice president pence, bill barr, jeff rosen and others at the department of justice. white house staff who blocks proposals to mobilize the military to seize voting machines and run new elections. other federal law enforcement and our national guard who arrived later in the afternoon. all of these people had a hand in stopping donald trump. this leads us to a key question. why would americans assume that our constitution and our institutions and our republic are invulnerable to another attack? why would we assume that those institutions will not falter time? this investigation is this. our institutions only hold when men and women of good faith make them hold. regardless of the political cost . we have no guarantee that these men and women will be in place next time. any future president inclined to attempt what donald trump did in 2020 is now learned not to install people who can stand in the way. also please consider this. the rulings of our ports -- courts are respected and obeyed because we as citizens pledged to honor them. most important, our president who has a

his own attorney general bill barr in numerous courts finding there was no uld have changed his election loss. he also compared the deadly violence at the capitol to riots featuring left-leaning extremists during protests after the murder of george floyd. what he left out, whether or not he will comply with the committee's subpoena in a post on the social media platform. truth social, the former president shared a story from another news network with the headline. trump loves the idea of testifying before the january 6th committee possibly suggesting he might. >> and that was again, evan lambert reported. >> coming up, governor newsom is calling wealthy oil companies out ahead of a special session to try to tackle increasing gas prices. why republican lawmakers say the governor has it wrong. and san francisco state university has received state funding to build more housing. details on who and how many people can get new housing. plus, a local family reunited with a precious keepsake of their last baby. how they got a hold >> our top story at 6.30, everett ross. these ashes are back wher

bill barr has left already because bill barr looked into all of the b.s. claims about fraud in georgia and determined that they were just that, b.s. everything that was alleged in georgia had inappropriately, but not illegally, investigated by doj and found to be lacking in facts. there was no fraud in georgia. meadows, who has also a cabinet level post as white house chief of staff, fellow cabinet member bill barr has disproven everything he says to raffensperger on the call. how much trouble could mark meadows be in? >> i think mark meadows can be in a lot of -- how would a prosecutor say it or -- there could be a lot of leverage used against him because mark meadows has essentially said in that call, a very polite and not as coarse version of what trump said to raffensperger later, can you find me the x number thousands of votes, come on brad, and it's also a noncrass, noncoarse, potentially defensible version of what donald trump said to his deputy attorney general. just say that it's fraudulent down in georgia. we'll take care of the rest. just say th

and bill barr was wrong, i really like to quote bill barr as the authority on anything, but bill barr was wrong when he said there was no systematic fraud undermining the election results. and donald trump's other high government officials who told us that this was the safest and most secure election in american history, they were all wrong. ginni thomas tells us she is the one who's right in the election was stolen. and when you tell congress or congressional investigators wise, whether or not they are under oath, that can serve as the basis of a criminal offense. >> you're absolutely, right and i just want to ask you really quickly, before we ran a time about the mar-a-lago case. because, the woman who appointed the special master, remain diary, overruled in said that trump does not need to submit a sworn statement identifying evidence he believes the fbi planted in his home. i want to get your take on that really quickly. >> if judge cannon's goal was to prove that she is the -- not particularly qualified to serve our federal judge and bias towards donald trump, because by her ruli

barr all the way down to the lowest level guy over at the bureau of prisons. >> we talked a little bit about this in the show that the republicans that have stayed with him kneeling, if you will to donald trump where you think someone like mark meadows or kevin mccarthy knew the donald trump? >> i have said this many times. people get angry for me saying -- it's stupid because the same reason i did. i don't know if they think that he is going to provide them with some benefit in the future whether it be power whether it be continued or -- orifice continued position with the administration that he will try to keep. why they do it? that's something that is really particular to each individual. basically, it's a lack of thought process at that moment thinking that you can actually do something with him for him, that will also provide benefit to you. >> does that apply to his or, because i want to ask you about christina bob care for a moment. she is somebody that is obviously representing donald trump. she is in the thick of it. you are somebody in that capacity, as a lawyer in his orbit.

bill barr talks about we get to meet people, we've got this pollution. aoc, is it still okay to have children? there's never been a time on our plan and history of humanity or without more abundance to be able to have more children. it's really true. , let's go back to paul or lock the ship paul ehrlich. never publicly apologized for getting it wrong or just cut the check? >> guest: he cut the check any claims can actually i saw him the other day and he said i wasn't extreme enough. i'm still writing. well, paul, there's still time to recap against. >> host: final question, you were born in 1955. i was born in 1960. how has our economic world changed in our lifetime? >> guest: well, if you go back and we have data that goes back to 1960 that we can analyze. we are growing, so i'm 60. every 20 years my life has doubled. on average my life standard of living has doubled every 20 years. so as i went from one to two to four to eight, i'm really eight times better than it was in 1955. 1955. you think about your life, what did you have in 1960? you've got at l

barr, jeffrey rosen and richard donoghue did as well. president trump knew the truth, he heard what all of his experts and senior staff were telling him, he knew he had lost the election but he made the deliberate choice to ignore the court's, ignore the justice department, ignore his campaign leadership, ignore senior advisors and to pursue a completely unlawful effort to over -- overturn the election. ignore the rule of law and stay in power. >> the gentleman leads back. the chair recognizes the gentleman from virginia. >> thank you, mr. chairman. mid-december was a turning point. president trump made a decision, a choice to ignore the chords and his advisors and to push forward to overturn the election. his efforts to overturn the election were not random or disconnected but part of a coordinated multipart plan to ensure that he stayed in power. donald trump was the driver behind each part of this plan. he was personally and directly involved. of course, a key element of the plan was continuing to convince tens of millions of american

of talking was like, yeah, i want you to cooperate with durham investigation so you canit work with bill barr on that and i want you to investigate everything and that has to be looked at and talk to giuliani and the attorney general about that. we were not morgantowning biden at that point. investigating biden at that point, joe biden and never when i was attorney general. but i was angry because he lumped me in together with rudy nigiuliani but, you know, i did- i'm sort of doing this rebooting assignment. what i was focused on was was this evidence of the crime and they're claiming this could be a political contribution essentially and trying to bend the law that's what politics is about now and i was so upset and i made the decision there was no obstruction and that was the end of it. they didn't want me to act on the ukrainian thing and they wanted to move impeachment first so the same thing wouldn't happen to them on ukraine. so the impeachment and the department is not a party in that. we don't really have a mission in that. we sit back and watch the show. but infelt the president

guest: john durham was appointed by bill barr to look into evidence that the fbi and other intelligence agencies may have committed some wrongdoing when investigating president trump or his alleged ties to russia. he has looked into this for three years and he is only brought three cases. one of those cases is against a russian analyst who was on trial right now. he lied about how he compiled evidence for this deal report which was used in part by the fbi to obtain a surveillance warrant on carter page who was one of his campaign needs and 2016. they suspected he had ties to russia that compromise the trump campaign. no public evidence of mers that was the case. he has never been charged with a crime. despite that, the fbi surveilled him and they had three renewal applications to keep surveilling him. what john durham is alleging because the analyst lied to the fbi, the fbi is responsible for his words. the fbi had troubling behavior during the russian pro. what i find interesting, in this investigation he decided to look into what the fbi is doing. he is giving the fbi a task there. bu

kennedy: bill barr. >> what is going on here, my guess that there is a signal from some very powerful people who do not want joe biden to seek reelection, they have been protecting his son but they don't have to continue to do, this that speculation, but i don't know what else would explain why the story was silenced by all powers that be in 2020 election there a no leaks now all of a sudden, now that joe biden is announcing he will seek reelection and other democrats don't want him to, now al all of a sudden signal is blasted we don't have to protect and you your son what clearly seems to be -- if not criminal. kennedy: we can charge him for lying on a gun application, we can do that or charge him for minor tax evasion and some other issues that you know he will never see time. or we can get you and uncle jim and hunter and we'll be done with all of you in one fell swoop, that is probably the best theory going in terms of logical con conis stance i. >> white house spent a fortune to new booster shots. not many people want them, doctors reportedly administered 15 million doses of the

starts to tie what he now calls illegal aliens to crime, accusations from him and attorney general bill barr that it was illegal aliens who made upun most of the people or a god chunke of the people responsibe forr the rights in los angeles n 1992 and this criminalization and this outrage and emotion around the border is something that took work. in california in 1991 and 92, two p or 3% of the voters put immigration at the top of their list of concerns. 1994ry that looks very different with proposition 187 and it took a political movement to turn immigration into a culture and race issue that could be exploited. >> in the discussion it is good and centrall to this. there's a couple other characters that play a big role in b the book. one is rush limbaugh. let'sse stick with russia for a second because you talk about two interrelated developments that are so important. one is the rise of conservative talk radio. ththere's an interesting synergy between the two of them but then the spread of right-wing radio as music migrated then you talk about cable leading to fox news and it's a great

barr that it was illegal aliens who made up most of the people or good chunk of the people responsible for the rights in los angeles in 1992. the criminalization for outrage and emotion about the border was something that took real work. in california in 1991 and 1992, two or 3% of the voters put immigration at the top of their concerns. 1994 that looks very different with proposition 187, and it took political movement to turn immigration into a culture and race issue that could be exploited.oo >> in the discussion of prop 187 it is good and central. we have to pay attention to a couple of other characters who played a role in your book, so let's just stick with rush for a second because i think you talk about two interrelated developments that aree so important. one is the rise of conservative talk radio which limbaugh was the pioneer of. and he supported pat buchanan, so there is an interesting synergy between the two of them in 92. but then vast spread of right-wing radio across the dial is music migrated to fm but then you also talk about the rise of cable leading to fox news and

when bill barr, the attorney general, appointed him, he specifically charged him with writing a report in the form that could be publicly released. the value in the durham investigation is that we are seeing what the fbi did to try to get donald trump in 2016 and 2017, a lot of investigators have tried to figure that out before appeared congress. the fbi stonewalled them. this is probably the best we are ever going get. >> bret: jessica, for the fbi to try to pay steele to corroborate the dossier, and he cannot do it, you know, if you just look in the wayback machine of all of the coverage that the dossier got, it is significant. >> it is significant. i think that you are ultimately right, that they are not a lot of people paying attention to it, and it is very hard to get anything to change. on top of that, the case that john durham or his supporters i should say, certainly the former president, donald trump, have made about the fireworks that are going to come out have fallen absolutely flat, including the latest, that a charge was thrown out today, so we will wait and see what the r

barr. and he has done a very effective job of creating confidence that he at least is not operating it for political reasons. now, the question is, and liberals in particular, have raised the question, is he getting the job done in terms of going after the people that did these terrible things? obviously, the returns are not in yet. but i think the reality is, we're going to find that he will, while maintaining an apolitical approach to this situation, get the job done. and i think his commitment to the rule of law and to securing -- he said how many times that no person is above the law, when people say are you going to indict donald trump? he says no person is above the law. that's a clear answer in terms of where he is headed. the idea that he're going to make fun of the department because it's not putting on the sort of public then administ -- demonstration of the facts when you can't. there's no way in the world the justice department is do that. i think it's very unfair. >> damned if

work with bill barr on that. i want you to investigate by then, that has to look out. you should talk and the attorney general about that. we were not investigating biden at that point. and we did not investigate him while i was attorney general. but i was angry because it lumped me in together with rudy giuliani. i'm free booting assignment he was up too. but what i was focused on was the evidence of crime. they came they were soliciting political contributions. they were trying to bend w the law, that is what politics are about prosecutors trying to bend the law to prosecute their political opponents. didn't think there was. then congress moved sharply to impeach him and overtook anything the department would be doing. it's really interesting, my read of the situation was they were so upset that i made the decision that there was no obstruction that was the end of it. they did not want me too act on the ukrainian thing. they wanted to move impeachment first so the same thing would not happen tol ukraine. the department is not a party in that. that back and watch the

bill barr did not think he should have a senior job at the fbi. he's somebody that has become increasingly popular figure of trump's inner circle, and someone who trump is listening to more and more. he took the fifth amendment before a grand jury in washington, in regards to the documents investigation. he would not answer investigators questions. they want to ask him about his claim, trump's claim that trump says that they declassified all of these documents before they left the white house. a claim which nothing has come out to substantiate it in any of the proceedings were documents since. it's part of this larger effort to gain the testimony of these individuals, we get to complete the investigation, you want to know what those individuals who were behind closed doors, and could potentially speak to trump's intentions now, and can tell you. that's where we're at. >> last for sean -- he came before that grand jury, we know that he was there before the grand jury, and subsistent reporting that he invoked his fifth amendment right to avoid self

two, that he knew the things he was saying in bill barr's words, bs. that all these conspiracy theories might have been inappropriately been investigated by doj and three, he was well aware of the violence and wanted to be there for it. >> yeah, i think all of that very accurately is laid out by the committee. i think you know to michael's fine reporting, it is very clear from the beginning what the emphasis by the committee would be given the limitations on its power. it had to convince two audiences. one was the justice department. the other was the american people and at any given moment in time throughout the course of the summer, one or the other was the priority of that particular hearing. whether it was from the beginning when they wanted to bring the american people to this narrative in a way that they would want to sit back at the beginning of summer in their comfy summer chairs with a drink in their land and follow along or more compelling moments where they would bring witnesses out who were in the room where it happened. who had ear on the