i had the view of it should be full sackler wealth meaning of the sacklers are worth $10 billion. we want $10 billion, right. if you're going to walk away because this whole conversation around the third party releases is meaning the sackler would get civil immunity moving forward. like, i know it's in the news a lot, but you have to remember, we've known about that since before the bankruptcy even the sacklers had a term sheet that they negotiated with the majority of state attorneys general before going bankruptcy, saying we're going to get a it's just depending on how much money are we going to pay. so i wanted to sit face to with him. i thought i'd meeting with richard. we have some of like catharsis maybe attached to it. and maybe if he talked to a victim, heard my story, heard a story because joined the meeting as well, met cara's son who is autistic and was born with us. but there might be a moment there where they'd say, you know what, i am sorry. and like here's full well pie in the sky. absolutely well the lawyers came back said there is no way that we're putting you in

but, no, none of the sackler owners have been charged. so, you know, i follow in my new book, i follow back the parents of the dead. they come together as ad hoc, many accountability. last december, while the case was on its way to being appealed again, they held a rally outside of the department of justice, where they begged the doj to do its gop. and i think that's what a lot of, more than 1 million families that have lost folks want the doj to do. >> but macy, and patrick radden keefe, thank you for being here tonight. thank you for your journalism, it's so important, and i'm so honored that you're with me here, tonight with me. we'll be right back. before & bath fitter. now's the time to call bath fitter to get a beautiful "after." with our unique tub over tub process, there's no mess or stress. bath fitter. it just fits. visit bathfitter.com to book your free consultation. ♪ ♪ [sleep app ] close your eyes. deep breath in. i mean, obviously, let it out. ghaa. yeah, i'm not really sure if this is working either. i remember when i f

what i found looking at the sackler's is it is kind of the opposite. you have all of these people around you whose job depends on keeping you happy. i think this is true of donald trump, of mark zuckerberg, of any number of people who are very wealthy and powerful. but, sometimes they seem disconnected reality -- disconnected from reality. the reason is that they have all these people around them who when they say day is not, at two plus two is five, they say, absolutely sir, you are right. those people over there don't have the right narrative. you are misunderstood, that is the problem. part of what you see with the settlers, part of the reason they are still in denial is, amy bishop's parents is two people in the house alone. they have this reality they have had to manufacture on their own. the settlers have an army of people reaffirming every day their crazy ideas about what is happening in the world and their own responsibility. i don't fully understand it, but that is as close as i can come to an explanation. >> one last question. >> yes. >> ther

richard sackler is played by matthew broderick and i think it should be interesting. peter berg, director has made a lot of movies, he directed all six episodes to keep an eye out on netflix and some of you have made may be seen dope sick, i think it's different enough from domestic it's worth watching. >> as far as the sackler's are concerned, are they still pushing these awful drugs? you mentioned they were in denial, how do you stay in denial when bodies are stacking up and people are suffering and in pain? how do you continue to stay in denial? i don't understand. >> is a great question, i've spent years trying to understand this. to answer the first part of your question -- purdue pharma the company ends up going to encrypt the. it seems a little weird you have a company that has made so much money and billions of dollars selling drugs in the reason there are lawsuits against the company or the impacts of oxycontin in the course of about a decade before the company declared encrypt the, quietly the family pulling money out of the company so they took more than $1

it's not the sacklers, they've given up hair interests in the company. there's a new company that's still selling oxycontin, get this, that continues to sell oxycontin, the truck that helped create the -- drug that helped create the opioid crisis, but all the profits are going to go to remediating the opioid crisis. kind of must have to make your head explode. on the denial thing the, i mean, you know, it's, it's very weird because this is a family that, you i know, they started marketg this drug in '96, and the idea was it wasn't addictive. finish and they hadn't done any studies, nobody if knew that. and almost immediately it turns out that there's all kinds of peoplet getting addicted and overdosing and dying, and there are kids dying. and word is getting back to the company. and it's funny, because for me when i look back at that, we're talking 2022 right now. i'm talking aboutab 1999. i can't imagine having a multibillion dollar company and a product that's out there in the world and getting informed, oh, kids are dying and not putting the brakes on

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the funny thing about the question is a lot of deputy with people is true with the sackler family and amy bishop, you're dealing with people so deep in denial after some like for me to come along and start asking tough questions will not be that fruitful. i would like to think that in such a ninja at journalism that i i would ask the question that totally disarms them and then they say, i would've gotten away with it, too, you know? but that's not what happened. most of the time what happens is they have a life they told themselves to have a world that have constructed in which they are not the bad guy and that's the world where they live. and so when you come when you start asking questions that are chipping away at that, usually what happens is they kind of double down or whatever, whatever is they've been telling themselves all this year. >> and what about the parents? >> so the parents were a similar situation. it's funny how the situation few times i just published an article in the new yorker a few weeks ago with a very similar scenario in that the article is about a guy who don

narrative nonfiction the author of new york times best teller empire of pain the secret history of the sackler dynasty the family responsible for making the painkillers that led to the opioid crisis. winning the 2021 gifford price with the national book critics circle nomination. keith is an award-winning staff writer at the new yorker and an author of three other books. including say nothing, the snake had and chatter. he has a guggenheim fellowship and a national magazine award and he wrote and hosted the podcast went to change the number one podcast 2020 by the guardian. tonight is the growth writing about disreputable figures with illegal arms traffickers and swiss moneylenders rosa collection of his articles about corruption, fraud empower. the stories were written over one dozen years and reflect my abiding preoccupation crime and corruption, secrets and lies the bonds of family and the power of denial. it is highly entertaining but what shines through most likely is a fascination with what makes us human even when we are at our most imperfect. when conversation with helen from the "wash

, moving against japan and stuff and needed to secure the usa sauce. eastern borders get back south sackler under korea, islands the territories last doing the rousseau, japanese war, poland, his fate was also being decided. churchill wanted the exile, the london pro western government to return to war. so started needed friendly, poland and he insisted on a free election. roosevelt, bang, stalin, and churchill had to concede, color, color, store, worship, they blew. 12 should match claudia, good minute control more as or to from, from a battery now for should the ball. but underscore from tusky product learn more to ship a slippery on the porch for my boyfriend laughs as de la with some macola dog scuttle . mitchum alice. hello, no. why not? roosevelt proposed the new international coalition, the united nations organization. the victorious countries were given the right to veto the u. n's key decisions or reborn if grew more premier mister completed his sure, sure. it was a little of the wrong executive traditional deal. one of brett uses, boy is not sure, but she did no further career. he

i always thought that i could make a story with all my photos of all these moments where richard sackler as a professor of russian and european politics at the university of kent. he says, the war ukraine is far more serious. and the cuban missile crisis ever was in 962. it was a relatively short instant, 13 days. this one has been going in a sense brewing for over 30 years. and of course we've got a war now for nearly 8 months. the and the fundamental difference is that in 962 very good turn basically to the status quo today. oh gosh. moscow is quite clear that it does not want to return to the situation before the conflict. this makes it far more intractable and far more difficult to find any negotiated pathway to peace. and as i say, it's been going on for a long time, a dissatisfied thought, which has led to this awful war. and of course, all sorts of other elements are involved, including in particular, extreme lack of trust. and in fact, contempt between moscow in washington today by didn't and putting, haven't been in contact for many, many months. they were early in the early par

it's not like opiate companies the sacklers who are exactly giant pieces of --, but but it's not unlike that it's not unlike it's because it's addictive and it's this pandemic has shown us. it's addictive it's necessary for your job and your life and your social life and it's run by the richest people in the history of the world running the companies that are the most valuable companies the top 10 companies except for saudi aramco, which might be wanting forward after this crisis. the top 10 companies in the world are tech companies valuable the top richest people in the world except for the saudis. richest people in the world. just keep that in mind. that's your money. that's your they're eating there there, you know soylent green is people. let me just say think about it and they fix it. yeah. anyway elizabeth, this is a book. you really should read do not look away what's happened to these parents and the kind of you're right the grace that they have is really inspiring and don't let them down elizabeth. thank you karen. thank you. thanks for coming. so thank you very much for thanks

. >> might be about the sackler's. are you as pretentious as your wife says you are? >> for anyone who follows patrick on twitter he is a great follow .te >> thanks and. >> one other question obviously publicly. >> she called him incredibly pretentious. go ahead. >> just want to publicly thank you for what empire of pain has done shining a light ghon the family that's responsible for more deaths in america then any other family that i know of. and the other question is, to questions. in your new book which i actually got halfway through already story and someone said i can read one story, is there one what story would you recommend? >> we're going to break away to take you to the senate, part of our commitment to bring you live coverage of congress. we will take you back to tbook tv following what's expected to be a short pro forma session here on c-span2. >> the parliamentarians will read to medication to the senate. >> ctto the senate, under the provision the rule one paragraph three of the standing rules of the senate i hereby appoint the honorable jackie rosen a s