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>> "firing line" by margaret hoover is made possible by -- >>> governor asa hutchinson, welcome to "firing line." >> it's good to be with you today. it's great to be on "firing line." >> well, you're joining me from little rock, arkansas where you're winding up your second term as governor. you're also head of the former governor's association. this week's midterm were not quite the red wave that was predicted. to what do you attribute the rather lackluster performance by the gop? >> well, you're absolutely right. it was not a red wave. even though i'm disappointed in that outcome, it's refreshing that democracy really demonstrated it's alive and well and working and the people spoke loud and clear as to their direction that they wanted to go in their state. and so, it wasn't a big gop wave. i think there's a couple lessons from it. first of all, candidates matter. you know, you have candidates that were not able to pick up independents and could not win in a general election. and if the gop learns anything, let's have those that we support in a primary capable of winning a general electio

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>> "firing line with margaret hoover" is made possible in part by... and by... corporate funding is provided by... >> senator reverend raphael warnock, welcome to "firing line." >> great to be here. thank you. >> you have a new book out, "a way out of no way." and in it, you speak about two americas, one america that historically voted for the first black senator from georgia on january 5th and another america that, the very next day, took part in a riot on the capitol of the united states. as you watch the january 6th hearings, along with millions of americans this week, which america is prevailing? >> well, thank you so much. it's great to be here. first of all, let me say the title for the book, "a way out of no way" comes from the culture and tradition of the black church. and when we say the black church, let me hasten to say we've never meant anything racially exclusive about that. we're talkg about the anti-slavery church, the church that was literally born fighting for freedom. it is that tradition that has animated my ministry, that informs the work tha

>> "firing line with margaret hoover" is made possible in part by... ...and by... corporate funding is provided by... >> attorney general william barr, welcome to "firing line." >> thank you, margaret. great to be here. >> you were the attorney general for two presidents in two different centuries -- president george h.w. bush and president donald trump. you resigned after the 2020 election, when you broke from president trump over his 2020 election fraud claims. this week, donald trump announced that he will seek the republican nomination again to be president. and i wonder, what was your reaction? >> well, i made it clear in my book, over a year ago, that i didn't think he was the right person to lead either the republican party or the country forward. and i would pe that he stepped down. so i was disappointed that he announced. >> he's facing unprecedented federal, state, and congressional investigations. do you think he's running to insulate himself fr the investigations? >> i think that could be part of the reason. but i think he, you know, he has a monumental

campo and margaret hoover. jonathan brought it up and i'll bring it up again since it is friday night and we can talk about beers here. so budweiser one of the beer sponsor of the tournament learns that within 24 hours before, learns we're not going to serve beer to the folks there. now, they've put in tens of millions of dollars to this. >> yeah. >> what do you think? >> what's up with that? they tweeted well this is awkward. yeah, $70 million awkward. >> deleted. >> it was deleted. >> that's the least you're going to say. this is the world's most predictable problem, right? the sponsorship is years in the making. to resend the vote two days out reeks of bad faith and if they couldn't deal with the fact they wanted beer they i don't have to accept money in the first place. they should probably give it back. most of all, let people have the beer. they were going to -- >> do you -- >> let the people have their beer. >> let the people have their beer. i can agree with that completely and the -- one, i think it's

>> "firing line with margaret hoover" is made possible in part by... and by... corporate funding is provided by... >> maggie haberman, welcome to "firing line." >> thank you for having me. >> you are out with a bestselling book, "confidence man: the making of donald trump and the breaking of america." you have spoken with him countless times throughout his life, three times for this book specifically, and you've spoken to more than 250 sources in reportingn this book. was there anything especially revelatory or surprising to you as you wrote this book? >> so, there were a couple of moments, i would say, that were surprising. for instance, having a biracial girlfriend in the 1990s, who was a model, and she is the daughter of a black woman and a white man, and he told her that she had gotten her beauty from her mother and her brains from her dad, the white side. that stopped me when i heard it. the individual actions surprised me. the broader portrait of who he is, however, i think really consistent with what we have seen over a very long period of time, and that

. >>> let's speak to john avalon and margaret hoover. >> good to see you, jim. >> let's talk about the future even though the election still a few days away. you did hear two republicans, maryland larry hogan and alabama congressmanp mo brooks said they are both leaving and we saw a similar moment fade after january 6. margaret, if i could begin with you, is the dissent stronger now against donald trump? >> you know, i spent a lot of time this weekend talking to members of congress, talking to folks on the republican firmament, trying to discern how different this is and i will tell you, there is a unifying theme that somehow this time is different. i'm quite skeptical of that. i'm quite skeptical because what we've seen over and over again is trump be able to come back from the lowest he's ever fallen. and be able to constitute and bring back power and he does it through chaos and making cunning decisions in the moment. i think what we're seeing right now is even though there are many republicans who say it is time to move on, a lot of people said that after january 6. my concern is y

he told ppss margaret hoover, not on pbs news hour, but on the margaret hoover show, this is what he said about his former boss, donald trump. >> if the department of justice can show that these were indeed very sensitive documents, which i think that they probably were, and also show that the president was involved in misleading the department, this leaving the government, and playing games, after he received the subpoena from the documents, those are serious charges. >> that's a serious crime? >> i personally think that they probably have the basis for legitimately indicting the -- >> again, while all of this is unfolding just days ago donald trump did announce that he is running for president again. set the record straight, is there anything that would give donald trump the immunity from a conviction? >> nothing, zero, because we do have this tradition that the doj will not do anything on the law enforcement front. within 60 days of an election. to make it look like maybe they are being partisan, or they are interfering in the upcoming election. but there is no rule, no tradition

he served as deputy national security advisor from 2019 to 2021 and margaret hoover, author and host a firing line on pbs, now also with cnn, will moderate the discussion. she is the great granddaughter of herbert hoover, the 31st president of the united states. would you please welcome our distinguished panel this morning. [applause] >> good morning. welcome, and thank you, very much to the nixon foundation for holding this discussion with this expert, well informed on this dynamic. i think the best place to start is when president xi came onto the scene about one decade ago, many expected that he would be a reformer, he would harken back to the nixon days of the opening of china, -- would your head -- would spearhead political reform, and the nobel prize-winning writer will be released from prison. here we are, in 2022, president xi has secured an unprecedented third term, making him china's most powerful leader since mao zedong. first we will welcome you, matt pottinger, as the most recent appointee from the former administration who had your hands thick in china policy, can you t

. >>> let's bring in cnn political commentator, margaret hoover. >> good morning. >> we've got a lot to talk about this morning. >> good morning. here we go! >> a lot has happened since the last time you were at the desk with us. ted cruz said it would look like 2010 and it wasn't. >> one of the things that has been so interesting to me over the last 48 hours is the amount of admonition and eating crow that has happened on the right. conservatives and republicans don't admit when they're wrong. time after time, i really troll the conservative podcast ecosystem so you don't have to. there is real recognition that they got it wrong. now what's different is that nobody has once in any of the podcasts or op eds or any of the analysis cited the dobbs decision, cited overturning of younger voters and women voters. >> they can't. >> they have said, well, it's just interesting that the economy wasn't the predominant issue. >> yeah. because everyone thinks that they know everything. i thought it was interesting even over on the fox propaganda channel the night of. they were saying -- what was

and margaret hoover author and host a firing line on pbs now a cnn will moderate this morning's discussion. she is a great-granddaughter of herbert hoover the 31st president of the united states. please welcome merged anguish panel this morning. [applause] [background noises] >> good morning it works. welcome and thank you very much to the nixon presidential foundation to have us here to have this really important discussion with incredibly well-informed experts frankly on this dynamic. i think the place to start is where we are right now and how we got here. when xi jinping came onto the national scene, the international scene about a decade ago, many in the west expected that he would be a reformer. he would harken back to the nixon days to the opening of china. the "new york times" columnist nick kristof even wrote in 2013 that xi jinping went to spearhead a resurgence of economic reform and probably some political easing as well. now his bonnet will be hauled out which on his watch the nobel prize-winning writer will be released from prison. here we are in 2022. xi jinping has secured

. >> that was bill barr with our friend margaret hoover on pbs. joining me now to gauge the political fallout of the situation for the newly declared presidential candidate david eisen and gloria borger. we're talking about what this might change for the former president legally. how about politically, gloria? >> well, first of all obviously it'll be the case because he'll continue calling himself the victim which always works for him. and then he's going to talk about weaponizing the justice department against republican, and that's something he's also been doing and other republicans have been doing it. what will be interesting to see is whether those republicans who have been saying that justice department is weaponized but don't want donald trump to be the leader anymore or don't want to support him for president, how they're going to work that one. are they going to follow the leader in this particular case but then distance themselves on his presidential bid? they've already committed in one sense that they don't like the way the justice dep

john avlon is "outfront" with our political analyst margaret hoover. oh my gosh! >> that's a lot of words in that intro. >> alison served as national coalition director for the biden-harris 2020 campaign and scott jennings, senior former adviser to mitch mcconnell. we'll start with georgia where jeff was just reporting from the walker event. i know you've been speaking to people in the walker campaign. we keep hearing this could go either way. then you've got a libertarian running and you sneak the whole thing to a runoff. someone has to have 50% to prevent a runoff. how confident is the walker campaign? >> pretty confident. their pollster did their final tracking and had walker at 49 and warnock at 44. i'm watching the libertarian. they were concerned this person might go 5, 6, 7% of the vote. they picked out a universe of voters and focused on driving that libertarian down. looks like they've been pretty successful. that's really the key to getting over to 50% there. >> 49 and 44 still would be a runoff. that's amazing that could happen. ashley, when you hear sc

hoover. thank you all for being here. lots to unpack. i do want to first go to -- and i apologize -- but to donald trump first and some of what he said tonight. we've heard this sort of rhetoric before, but he is at it again after the special counsel was announced. >> this horrendous abuse of power is the latest in a long series of witch hunts. it started a long time ago. i thought the investigation with the document hoax was dying or dead or over and the investigation into january 6th and my very peaceful and patriotic speech, remember, peaceful and patrioticically was dead only to find out the corrupt and highly political justice department just appointed a super radical left special counsel, better referred to as a special prosecutor to start the process all over again. >> is -- i'll start with you, margaret. is any of what he just said true? >> a special prosecutor was appointed. the adjective, radical far left quarterback debatable. >> look, i understand from a legal perspective there's

john avlon, our senior political analyst, ari kor niche, correspondent, margaret hoover, veteran of two presidential campaigns for the gop, karen finney, senior former spokesperson for hillary clinton's 2016 campaign, and charlie dent, the former republican congressman from pennsylvania. thanks to all of you. so here we are, margaret, in a situation where 56 votes -- every single vote trickling in here matters. every vote as it's being counted, especially in the arizona governor's race, where kari lake has been continually alleging that they're purposefully dragging their feet, even though, of course, they're working 14 hours day on what is a federal holiday today. >> look, a lot of people around the country are looking at arizona wondering, why can't you do this faster? and this is the beauty or maybe not so much the beauty of federalism. every state counted on their own. recall, it's really interesting that right now florida, which has many more millions of people and expanse two time zones is able to get it right in a relatively quick period of time, but not so long ago, florida was

and margaret hoover, author and host of "firing line" on pbs, now also with cnn, will moderate this morning's discussion. she is the great-granddaughter of herbert hoover, the 31st president of the united states. would you please welcome our distinguished panel this morning? [applause] >> good morning. it works. welcome mat and attorney general barr, and thank you very much to the nixon presidential foundation for having us here and having this really important discussion with incredibly well-informed experts, frankly, on this dynamic. i think the place to start is where we are right now and how we got here. when xi jinping came onto the national scene, the international scene, about a decade ago, many in the west expected that he would be a reformer. he would harken back to the nixon days of the opening of china. the "new york times" even wrote in 2013 that xi would spearhead a resurgence of economic reform and probably some political easing as well. now, his body will be hauled out and the nobel prize-winning writer will be released from prison. here we are in 2022. xi jinping has secured a

you heard margaret hoover say that and others on the air say that. she didn't say we want to own the libs. or liberals are this and that. what she said was, she wants a strong republican party. there is -- there are two different messages, and two different things happening on the republican side and on the democratic side. you get people who are saying, john fetterman has a mush brain. you have people who are saying, oh, it's funny, tweeting stuff with underwear and a hammer. very few people calling him out. we're at a critical point where you have to call it what it is. stop saying, well, some republicans louder republicans, louder leaders. stop leaning in to the, hey, this is funny, because that mean, that 82-year-old man could have lost his life, and on top of that, we don't think about it. the speaker of the house, had she been home, could have lost her life as well. i think that her message is very strong, but also she called the former president a thug. never heard her go that far with this. so, here we go. biden administration. >> yeah. >> wa