mbeki said, which, he said, one day this is going to explode. he's saying you don't have the time for all this. people are hungry now. they're living in shacks. they don't have the power cuts, there are interruptions to the water supply. this is all going to take time, and they want to see results now. but if there is a compact between government and the private sector, i do believe that people will have hope that we are resolving the challenge, because they will see in action the economy recovering. they will see jobs being created. they will also see those that have stolen from the fiscus being held accountable. they will also participate in the project to rebuild our democracy, and i do believe that because, from time to time, the people have an opportunity in south africa to participate in elections, which they have just done, for the local government elections — also, in 2024, soon, they will also participate in an election process. 0ur democracy enables them to participate. it is not the same conditions in the arab spring, as you said, w