to talk more, msnbc national security contributor matt miller and alan rosenstein, law professor at the university of minnesota and former attorney in the justice department's national security division. alan, i want to start with you. we touched on this a little bit with ken, but what does the role of a lawyer like van der zwaan potentially bring to the table in an investigation like this? what does a lawyer like that know, not know, be able to potentially say? are there any limits on what he could say based on any privilege that may have been part of his conversations? >> well, it depends on what he's being asked about. if he's being asked about questions relating to his representation of certain clients, then there may be some privilege issues that have to be dealt with. if he's talking about other issues, if the charge, for instance, is lying to investigators, tlahere's reallyo privilege issue there. i think what's notable about mr. van der zwaan and the charges against him is...
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