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What an awful tragedy robert know: Is something that people strain to connect with and i've noticed through my work with dying bodies that imagination returns during the dying process i often will look past the body and look for the snapshot of the human soul that is the imagination that lies fill within that body what what an awful tragedy their sense of imagination.
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- Speaker is rev mark spivey. Mark has a master's degree in clinical social work and theology and philosophy. As a professional thanatologist he is currently writing a book addressing the various ways that a soul survives a dying body. Mark continues to pursue an advanced studies in the field of neurotheology through the chicago theological seminary. Market is also affiliated with the hospital hospice of volusia flagler as a spiritual. Care specialists. Please put your hands together for reverend rex baby. We're having technical problems this morning. Can you hear me how about that that better. Alright. All right there the whole time. Would you put your hands together for a few moments let's take a moment and join hands. Close your eyes. As our eyes are closed in our hands are being held we are aware of the presence in this room and the strength. That comes from our own human souls. We lift up our energy and our good wishes for those who are in harm's way. In the presence of. Disaster approaching we are also quite thankful that. Disaster does not approach us. May this positive energy and thankfulness and gratitude. Move towards those who are in harm's way. Amen thank you. 2500 heraclitus. 2500 years ago heraclitus live. He was one of the early. Greek philosophers they call him the pre-socratics he hung around with pythagoras and sperm entities and he laid the conceptual foundation for socrates and plato. He was a very interesting fellow we don't know if you wrote a book or not but we do have about 125 epigrams or fragments. That are wise saying that heraclitus is known for he was a contemporary of the chinese finger confucius. And the indian guru siddhartha gautama. Heraclitus. Said a lot of things and how to exercise. Heraclitean epigrams to describe and discuss the mind the body and the soul. The first is. Mine. The mind workout. Heraclitus said and i quote. Lovers of wisdom must open their minds to very many things. Lovers of wisdom must open their minds to very many things. Most people. If you're like most people spend your life half-asleep. We live our lives sort of an arrow restricted vision where we're not too sure what's going on we're trying existing go from moment to moment in the day or thinking patterns are restricted and we often fail to grasp what's in the palm of our hands. Heraclitus says lovers of wisdom must open their minds to very many things there's a very unitarian concept. Oh yeah that's a little better some of you want is open as others perhaps well the problem with opening your mind of very many things is that heraclitus also said sings love to conceal their true nature so while you're opening your mind. Sure i called it's designed deceptions there are built-in deception. It's built into society's built-in we see it in ball games i'm not a big sports fan but we see it in sports. One team will disguise. The play to confuse the opponent so that the intentions are miss webs we see it in politicians politicians are famous for disguising and decoy. Riddles. Don't you like a riddle. A riddle about a riddle riddles are. Spoken by people who want to delude wannabe solvers is only good if the riddle contains extraneous information and misleading assumption just throw you off track. How can you carry water in a suit. Ask question. How can you carry water in a self at the riddle. Anybody have an answer. Who said that. You know i can say more about this red and this hair but i'ma leave it alone that's exactly right you freeze it. So coarse how do you carry water and if you freeze it. How many monkeys can you put into an empty barrel. None. Do i hear a turn-on. 1b answers one because want you but one in their well robert if not empty anymore. Right won't you put one in the barrel it's not empty anymore. Heraclitus recognized through the problem inherent itself and riddles because another one of his epigrams he said. People fail to recognize the obvious much in the same way that homer wisest of all the greeks. Fail to realize the truth of what some boys told him some boys, and once said what we saw and caught we left behind. What we did not see your cats we took away with us. Homer did not realize the boys were discussing life. And he missed the riddle himself. It was not lost on heraclitus the value of understanding the obvious you have to learn to do something else and heraclitus suggested expect the unexpected or you will not find it. You have to expect the unexpected or you will not find it how many do you think you expect the unexpected. 1. 3. Expect the unexpected or you will not find it we live lives based on assumptions it works very well for us in fact it's one of the great accomplishments of the human mind that we are capable of assuming what's going to happen based upon what has happened. It helps us project and anticipate it's a great thing for us to do christopher columbus challenge some spaniards to stand an egg on end. They could not do it cuz the rolling away and send it up. Video on fair on fair that's not fair and christopher columbus said well. You just assumed more than you needed to. You just assumed more than you needed to you have to watch assumption back in 1957 a young dashing robert. Had his own car and a ducktail do and he showed up to pick up an for the dance. Well and was not on time of course. And so mom said come on and come on in robert it's down and and mom says what are your intentions with my daughter. Hello robert says what will go to the malt shop most likely or maybe we'll go watch a drive-in 12 and mom said why don't you go out and screw. All the kids are doing it and and roberts like what what. Cuddly robert change of plans himself alright perhaps i won't go to the mall shop and just about that time and the saddle shoes and she's already. 20 minutes 25 minutes passes. And comes through the door and screams. What's wrong. It's the twist mama not the screw now i can't help but wonder how many here who just heard that assumed. Did the screw me something that i didn't mean to work well for us it's a great success story but you have to wash them because they'll end up. Taking you in places where you'll miss the unexpected and you don't want to miss the unexpected you really don't know it's time to play a game i'm going to give. Sandpaper to this side. Don't mind what i'm giving you you want to help me why thank you kind sir i paid for this side. You have once you get the paper 2 minutes. 2 minutes. And i want this side of the building. Imagine if there's a line right here. I don't want this side of the building to imagine the same although you got to push a line kind of further. Okay everyone get their paper get your paper get your paper that sold hospice of volusia flagler paper so don't mind that the printing at the care plan if you need help and go ahead and write some things down and i'll be happy to take that in otherwise i want you to make a paper airplane and i want you to fly it up here past the line. The person who gets the most airplanes up here decide wins. Everyone got paper. No you're slow you're slow. That's okay the hurricanes missed us you can be slow. Come on if you get it start doing it the timer starts now you have two minutes. I'll drink while you're doing it there's one there's two. 9. 87. Text. 5. 4. 3. 2. 1. What a mess congratulations it looks to me although it's hard to tell that this side got more up so you guys did a great job. What was the point of the exercise. Thinking outside the box. Some of you thought really really outside the box and look at what you did you wanted it up and threw it at me the criterion the only criterion you had to satisfy in this exercise was flying across the line. Those of you who thought outside the box and the point was to get it across the line. 1. Your idea of what an airplane is is restrictive and narrow i don't care what the airplane looks like that was extraneous information i didn't care about that the exercise was for you to realize the goal was to get it across the line some of you actually got up here very creative crowd we have very creative. So i can see that i can rub on here for you soon to the body aspect of our talks because maybe their minds are already open. Ramsey wanted to hear a happy and very open thomas edison create so many brilliant think. Make it a practice to be on the lookout for novel and interesting ideas that other people have used successfully. Your idea has to be original only in its 8 at patient to your problem or your challenge. Where do you look for ideas. And moving on to the body i'm going to show you a clip which has i think then reverse too far back. Because i don't want to show you all this. I think it's too far. Jose. This is too far. I went to sleep and when things go to sleep you wake up and you don't know where you are ever have that happen to your own personal life. Real videos of the same way. What's okay because at this juncture i'm just going to try and fast-forward it this is the scene from steel magnolias how many of you seen steel magnolias how many you haven't seen steel magnolias please leave the room you don't deserve to be here. Is a quote from weezer boudreaux. If you know weezer boudreaux she has a great philosophy on the body and wellness and fitness. And when weezer comes in and gives her clip. I'll be able to give you a little idea of what we're going to do further nice haircut here in this lovely now you're ready for sound when i'm ready for sound right all right. Okay. Only our lives moved too fast. She doesn't like her hair is too short. Dolly parton is tired of her praying. It's very hard to know young man. I had the clip queued and it was lost when it went to sleep so now i have to find it again. Yes. Oh i'm glad that she's always on time little skirt and saddle shoes all right. Okay we're about ready here she comes a big mouth. You can found it now. Your hair. I don't make the rules i don't make the rules don't ask me why weezer boudreaux's wellness mantra the sooner my body gives out the better off i'll be i can't get enough grease into my diet. She says this in the presence of shelby who actually does have a disease and whose body actually is wearing out it's a beautiful and delicious opposite irony in the same room. Weezer's. Capacity to marker good help is possible only because she has it. Only because she has it says it is disease. God makes hell. Pleasant. It is hunger that makes fullness good and weariness that makes rest sweet. Instead of me suggesting today a catchy concise and contagious concoction for total body help. I'm going to recommend that you stay in your rut and fully embrace the opposites if you're fat and unhappy stay fat and unhappy. The key to understanding the value of your life and your body wellness is to understand the power of the opposite the power of the opposite is what will lead you i suggest that you appreciate what not there. Appreciate what not there this morning we appreciate what's not there don't we. We appreciate what's not here which is a hurricane. We appreciate what's not possible. If you are having trouble understanding what appreciate what's not there means perhaps you like sheryl crow we said it like this i don't have digital i don't have diddly-squat. It's not having what you want. It's wanting what you've got. The value of understanding what you have is by realizing what you could not have. Do you remember george carlin's great on stage performance when he got out and stood there and did nothing. How many dissolve at. George carlin death. He came out on stage and they all expected him to start his deadpan approach and he just stood there and shifted. He stood there any stood there and the laughter was more uproarious than usual because he did nothing you see the art comes in the paws. The quiet space is often where things belongs how many you look at a cup and see the cup and realize wow what a great coffee cup you say wow because you like the color you like the shades feel like the sides but how many you look inside the cup and see the space and realize that the tub is only available because of the space within its utility is based on the space within the cop otherwise. We often in our lives don't realize the value of an opposite and we try and and overrun what is not there. Appreciate what's not there you have to venture into the realm of the fool how many of your fools. Put your hands up cuz you are. Years ago a fool was considered to be an honored member of the court they advise kings emperors because fools have the capacity. See what's not there and to make fun of the trivial and the trifle with the big shots and to take common perceptions of circumstances and parody them for example. says success is far more rewarding if we've tasted defeat. I made you can see what i did. Life is more precious. If we are capable of understanding death. Everyday i meet people who are. More appreciative. I'm what's not there. What's not in their lives perhaps disease. If it's lost and regained. A fool will ask this question what does a rich man put in his pocket that a poor man throws away. The answer. Snot. Ever think about that. Do you have a watch people actually pull out of handkerchiefs blow their nose into it and stick it back in their pocket. They're sticking snot back in their pocket or four times. But somebody else will choose paper that they can throw away and remove from them why would you keep snot. But a fool smokes that was not there and turned ideas upside down and it's important to look at the office it's because they shake up your thinking pattern why do we do the things we do the little habits my favorite on-screen animated food. Homer simpson you tried and you failed. The lesson here is never try. He says trying is the first step to failure. If you take live on your tip it upside down and you look at it from prospective you embrace what heraclitus called the opposite. So i suggest that we are taking care of your body and you're considering body wellness if it's important to you to take care of yourself and eat well and prevent that's fine do that but why don't you embrace the idea of a fool in fact why don't you become one of your perceptions and your practice. It is true that we do not fully appreciate what we have until we lose it or experience the opposite we don't appreciate our help until we are riddled with disease or until someone that we know loses their health until we're better for healthy. Sick people imagine what it's like to be well. Well people imagine what it's like to be sick i wonder what it's like to lay there all day long with cancer. Imagination. Is the key to reawakening the next part of our talks the soul. I believe that the soul and the imagination are exactly the same thing. And by exercising our imaginations we exercise our soul. Heraclitus said i searched. Into myself. I searched into myself. Heraclitus believe that consulting our imagination and consulting our intuition will bring us inside. We are born with imaginations but as we get older we somehow become imagination list. We call it child's play and put it away and we lose our minds we lose our ability to play and to be imaginative and at one point in society there was an institution responsible for stimulating human imagination. Anybody tell me what that institution was. For many many many years. Society look to an institution to stimulate the human imagination. No church. The church. Was expected to stimulate the soul was expected to stimulate the imagination because they were the purveyors of god and all things spiritual but they dropped the ball in fact regarding imagination. The religions have a precious cargo. But they often fail in their job by moralizing. Intellectualizing and defending themselves to such an extent that their real purpose is obscured. Today people all over the world are abandoning the religions in disgust and anger. Everyone has an instinct for transcendence. People know intuitively that some kind of spiritual life is necessary. And so many are searching on their own and joining new churches and new communities thomas merton. Thomas more. The souls religion. This is a new community. The only reason i come here because your minds are open. The only reason i drive 61.3 miles used to see people with open minds. I spend my days a people whose minds are so close and so narrow that their own lives are being snuffed out and they can't realize it. The openness and the capacity to interact with your own imagination is in fact and inherently spiritual and religious exercise every time you imagine anything you're engaging your spiritual sense of soul every single time. I told you before steven cuz i tell you lots of things. That i like it with me a psychologist james hillman says imagination reflected speculation through dreams through image and through fantasy. I believe the soul expresses itself through imagination and imagination recruits the body to enhance the experience of what it means to be human. i would suggest to you that your soul is like a flickering movie. And it recruits your body as if it were a theater of surround sound and tactile auditory and visual stimulation enhance your human experience of what it means to be a human being with a spirit and an imaginative force. Does that make sense. That makes sense. Does that make sense. How many defense in your your flickering movie has a real missing. How many distinct you forgotten how to play. You've lost your sense of imagination. Perhaps many of you are very imaginative and right now you're imagine you're somewhere else. Play imagine what's for lunch. Imagination. Is something that people strain to connect with and i've noticed through my work with dying bodies that imagination returns during the dying process i often will look past the body and look for the snapshot of the human soul that is the imagination that lies fill within that body what what an awful tragedy their sense of imagination. Take a painting class. Take a pottery class. Play in the mud again make mud pies if you wish it might work. I suggested you reacquaint. Yourself with your childhood friend. Your childhood friend who's never left you your imagination unless you're one of those ties for your imaginary friend william play with you when you're in trouble. To recap i would like to say that mind body and soul according to heraclitus. Naturally and normally the exercise it will just remember a few things. Things love to conceal their true nature if you don't expect the unexpected you will not find the unexpected never assume more than you need to for any given situation trying think outside the box. A fool for become a fool and consider what's not there to inspire your own program of body wellness and for your soul i suggested you search into yourself use your imagination. Thank you. Maybe mark will now have a question answer.. I'm not standing back up okay you can imagine that i am standing back up if you wish please keep your question short and to-the-point irwin. And please raise your hand eric will come out with the microphone. I have a question who's going to clean this mess up. I never i never had one but martin. I always thought you came here to convergys understand why i speaking unitarian church is they really don't understand that i'm off the deep end. But i love it i love it. Mike one of the. So-called new thought notions is that if you can clear your mind than some of the ways you were talking about starting get out of your own way and let the spirit flow through you. Your creative imagination will. Finally re-emerge where you saying anything like that. Yes sir i was yes sir i was that's exactly right i think that sometimes we need to clear away the debris in our lives we get used to the ruts and we get used to anticipating what's coming next. And so naturally we know what's coming next hoping you know what's coming next you'll often not look at what could come next and you'll miss opportunities that are right in front of you because you don't respect them and you discount them in the picture and you're looking you looking you looking it's a lady and one moment and it's a flower and another that's the nature of moving out of your perspective and trying to open your vision. Yes ma'am. I left the point about. Imagination is so. And if i think about emily bronte. Who lived a very quiet life. She died she died when she was 32. Select on the morrison wild place. And yet she has. Has poetry is definitely my mind portrait of genius. Where did she learn about those emotions and how could she expresses herself so well if it wasn't from somewhere that. You know. You count explain a lot of inspiration so if you can't explain it. That might be the sole i'm not talkin about religion i'm talking about something else with right i'm calling this the right. Thank you. Different words for how we express that non palpable part of ourselves soul spirit stuff energy light. Higher power. Can my mind all of that is valid whatever time works for you is fine. Okay i have a question okay. I was raised unitarian and i understand your concept but at the same time i believe. In. God who created every. Let me stop you and define your terms you mean an old testament idea of god or a new testament idea of god or a bible idea of god or whose idea of god do you like. Yeah really okay okay. We'll have to get an idea what you mean by god because it could be a personal thing that's looks nothing like anybody else's idea of god. Where do you combine. What do you combine what you just spoke of. Which is. That creativity which is outside of the box. And yet that commonality which unites us all is god's children. I'm not sure i understand your question i'm not sure i understand we were all created originally by some you know sperm and egg meeting. We have control to be creative thinkers outside-the-box like. So where does that mean. Where does that mean i don't know but it needs to me i don't know that you're i'm not sure that i understand your premise why you trying to combine something that doesn't need to be combined. Yeah. You said how can we appreciate disease without. Health and hathaway appreciate. I'm just i'm just curious how do you reconcile those two because. Originally to know your spirit outside of it you had to know it some way in it. Tilda think outside of it didn't you step further than that and answer your question i don't think i think metaphysically i don't have an idea other words. This is an abstract question i'm not sure we want to take up the time to answer it. No don't be sorry it's a good question it's just said i'm in a different place with that. Ask me. My interpreter. Okay i'll find you in a few minutes. Okay you know you want the microphone the whole time i was one of those kids as matter fact but i remember my. 2nd grade teacher writing in my report card. Steve lives in his own world he's daydreams half the day and i was i was out-of-the-box most the time for some people here think that i still am but the point is that you know you have to do the monday and you have to connect with people inside the box. Most of your life. But if that's all you do then you don't you never appreciate. The imaginative creative part of your soul. To be able to go beyond then. I understand what you're saying but i don't understand what you're trying to combine. I don't know what you're trying to bring together. Oh i see what you're okay okay. Okay now that everyone is thoroughly exhausted with the question. I'll see you in a little while. Okay, i don't want to know we're very short on time and i want to be sure i get everyone. I'm going to get finished with mine okay you got a define the box because we we build our own box right. And if we. Stay in that one box then then we don't know how to get outside of it right but but i want to go back to your talking about eat what you like. I am so tired of dietitians telling us when i mostly eat carbs i know i don't know what those are. But there was but there were times. When we couldn't eat eggs because now that they finally realized eggs. I mean it's everything and mother's milk they didn't know what was in it so you have formula. Which killed a bunch of babies and india's someplace. Impress the biggest thing to me growing up in texas where you don't. Haven't even because it's too hot this was before air-conditioning very quickly. And the people in the south were less fat than the people in the north who baked everything and had the heat in the kitchen. Appreciate that little.
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