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From the studios of K.B. 4 00:00:18,39 --> 00:00:19,04 Of keep us of 5 00:00:19,05 --> 00:00:24,20 a car radio in Los Angeles this is uprising and I'm so not legal Had It's Monday 6 00:00:24,21 --> 00:00:29,66 June twenty ninth two thousand and fifteen ISIS marks its one year anniversary with 7 00:00:29,67 --> 00:00:34,39 death and destruction and called Bani Syria two news yet Kuwait and France will 8 00:00:34,40 --> 00:00:39,42 turn to veteran foreign correspondent Reece Erlich for more and the fight to stop 9 00:00:39,43 --> 00:00:43,93 the transpacific partnership over Ilana Solomon of the Sierra Club will tell you 10 00:00:43,94 --> 00:00:48,07 the victories and defeats and what lies ahead for the movement for fair trade plus 11 00:00:48,08 --> 00:00:50,62 a handful of the most obscenely rich families in the U.S. 12 00:00:50,63 --> 00:00:51,80 Stand to make billions with 13 00:00:51,81 --> 00:00:55,75 a repeal of the estate tax we'll find out who they are and what can be done that's 14 00:00:55,76 --> 00:00:59,50 coming up after the news Joining us now to analyze today's headlines as 15 00:00:59,51 --> 00:01:03,08 a whole Mahajan He's a sociologist and author of Full Spectrum Dominance U.S. 16 00:01:03,09 --> 00:01:04,70 Power in Iraq and beyond hire 17 00:01:04,71 --> 00:01:09,67 a whole who hasn't it and we can banks have closed down and limited cash 18 00:01:09,68 --> 00:01:12,49 withdrawals and the latest chapter in Greece's bailout discussions 19 00:01:12,50 --> 00:01:16,10 a day ahead of the deadline for a deal Greek prime minister Alexa C. 20 00:01:16,11 --> 00:01:20,69 Bres of the anti austerity cities are party lambasted the banks closures as 21 00:01:20,70 --> 00:01:25,42 impeding the democratic expression of the Greek people German Chancellor Angela 22 00:01:25,43 --> 00:01:26,48 Merkel chided C. 23 00:01:26,49 --> 00:01:30,68 Pressing that he needed to compromise and that no one can get one hundred percent 24 00:01:30,69 --> 00:01:32,75 she added that the troika of creditors made 25 00:01:32,76 --> 00:01:35,69 a quote generous offer that was our contribution to 26 00:01:35,70 --> 00:01:38,09 a compromise the German parliament has scheduled 27 00:01:38,10 --> 00:01:41,22 a debate on Greece this Wednesday and Greeks will be voting in 28 00:01:41,23 --> 00:01:45,43 a referendum on whether to remain in the euro zone next Sunday Meanwhile Nobel 29 00:01:45,44 --> 00:01:48,23 Prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz speculated that 30 00:01:48,24 --> 00:01:50,82 a Greek exit from the eurozone could prompt 31 00:01:50,83 --> 00:01:55,09 a serious geo political crisis for Europe and proposed that the only way forward 32 00:01:55,10 --> 00:01:58,47 would be to write off Greece's debt or not require payment for more than 33 00:01:58,48 --> 00:02:02,57 a decade or all. It looks extremely likely that there will be no agreement by 34 00:02:02,58 --> 00:02:08,32 tomorrow right. Yeah it looks that way I mean you don't you don't put 35 00:02:08,96 --> 00:02:11,02 a national referendum with 36 00:02:11,03 --> 00:02:17,20 a completely vaguely defined question at the last minute as anything except 37 00:02:17,21 --> 00:02:23,10 a sort of extraordinary emergency measures so you know I think the last straw for 38 00:02:23,11 --> 00:02:28,86 a surprise was the fact that the the Greek proposal which involves among other 39 00:02:28,87 --> 00:02:34,59 things trying to shift the tax burden to make it more progressive put more more on 40 00:02:34,60 --> 00:02:41,34 businesses and less on consumers was was roundly rejected by by the European 41 00:02:41,35 --> 00:02:46,64 creditor is in favor of making the situation even more aggressive than it is in 42 00:02:46,65 --> 00:02:50,57 a country that is already under the crisis of having you know added twenty five 43 00:02:50,58 --> 00:02:51,47 percent G.D.P. 44 00:02:51,48 --> 00:02:57,02 Reduction in the last five years so there's also the only way to interpret this 45 00:02:57,03 --> 00:02:59,06 referendum is as 46 00:02:59,07 --> 00:03:03,45 a preliminary justification for an exit from the Eurozone it was simply 47 00:03:03,46 --> 00:03:08,31 a matter of rejecting this particular deal it's hard to understand why the 48 00:03:08,32 --> 00:03:12,50 government would have had to take it to the Greek people and here in the United 49 00:03:12,51 --> 00:03:12,77 States 50 00:03:12,78 --> 00:03:16,72 a battle over the Confederate flag continued over the weekend most newbie when 51 00:03:16,73 --> 00:03:21,53 a young African-American activist named to Bree Newsome scaled the flagpole of the 52 00:03:21,54 --> 00:03:25,95 South Carolina state house in Columbia and took down the offensive symbol used in 53 00:03:25,96 --> 00:03:29,36 inspired massive support online and more than one hundred thousand dollars in 54 00:03:29,37 --> 00:03:33,91 donations toward her legal fees when she and her fellow activist were arrested she 55 00:03:33,92 --> 00:03:37,11 is a filmmaker and musician and the daughter of plans genius Some who was 56 00:03:37,12 --> 00:03:41,76 a dean at Howard University Meanwhile NASCAR chairman Brian France just announced 57 00:03:41,77 --> 00:03:46,08 to that all Confederate flag symbols will now be banned from the race car sporting 58 00:03:46,09 --> 00:03:49,50 event that's quite popular in the southern states and last night 59 00:03:49,51 --> 00:03:53,95 a Boston Civil War Memorial paying tribute to the first all black regiments 60 00:03:53,96 --> 00:03:56,95 fighting for the union was desecrated when someone hung 61 00:03:56,96 --> 00:04:01,35 a Confederate flag over it well has aback. Over the flag turned into 62 00:04:01,36 --> 00:04:03,24 a sort of proxy war over the US 63 00:04:03,25 --> 00:04:10,25 a struggle with racism. Well I'm not sure I think about the battle of 64 00:04:10,26 --> 00:04:11,43 the flag has been 65 00:04:11,66 --> 00:04:18,37 a proxy war for for racism or proxy for racism at least since about two thousand 66 00:04:18,38 --> 00:04:23,05 and one in a very active way that's the first time it became a major issue in 67 00:04:23,06 --> 00:04:29,71 a presidential campaign I think what's happened right now is that while. No serious 68 00:04:29,72 --> 00:04:35,34 concessions are going to be made on the broader issue of racism in the kinds of 69 00:04:35,35 --> 00:04:40,19 ways institutionalized in for example the criminal justice system at least not 70 00:04:40,20 --> 00:04:43,16 right away the flag is the fly is 71 00:04:43,17 --> 00:04:47,82 a reasonable sacrificial lamb and it's being it's being thrown to the winds by 72 00:04:47,83 --> 00:04:52,55 people who I think even two years ago could not have imagined admitting that the 73 00:04:52,56 --> 00:04:57,23 flag is an expression of white supremacy and not simply 74 00:04:57,63 --> 00:05:02,65 a celebration of Southern history and finally Texas State Attorney General Ken 75 00:05:02,66 --> 00:05:06,79 Paxton has decided to defy Friday's historic Supreme Court ruling legalizing 76 00:05:06,80 --> 00:05:09,62 marriage in all fifty states Mr Paxton call it 77 00:05:09,63 --> 00:05:14,28 a quote lawless ruling and said that while Texas clerks could be fined for refusing 78 00:05:14,29 --> 00:05:18,99 to issue marriage licenses his office would defend them in court pro bono some gay 79 00:05:19,00 --> 00:05:22,30 couples in Texas were able to get married over the weekend but others in 80 00:05:22,31 --> 00:05:26,75 Mississippi and Louisiana were barred from doing so it was Yanna Governor Bobby 81 00:05:26,76 --> 00:05:30,87 Jindal who just announced his candidacy for the Republican presidential nomination 82 00:05:31,15 --> 00:05:34,89 said that while the ruling was clear there was no mandate to begin issuing licenses 83 00:05:34,90 --> 00:05:38,99 immediately like others among the Christian right he insisted that the ruling was 84 00:05:39,00 --> 00:05:43,83 an affront to religious freedom pride parades around the world on Sunday celebrated 85 00:05:43,84 --> 00:05:48,05 the U.S. Decision will run as far as you know this is a done deal right in the U.S. 86 00:05:48,06 --> 00:05:52,67 Doesn't the Christian right need to just declare this war over. Well the South has 87 00:05:52,68 --> 00:05:57,79 a long history of declaring the right of knowledge occasionally laws and in one way 88 00:05:57,94 --> 00:06:00,86 or another in Texas in particular. Or has 89 00:06:00,87 --> 00:06:07,77 a history of for example the legislature refusing just ignoring requirements by 90 00:06:07,78 --> 00:06:10,34 the courts for example to come up with 91 00:06:10,35 --> 00:06:15,51 a plan for equitable funding of school districts to do this for decades in this 92 00:06:15,52 --> 00:06:19,87 case however although they're tapping into that kind of rich tradition of refusal 93 00:06:20,29 --> 00:06:25,26 this is really dog in the manger stuff for two reasons One is that you can't get 94 00:06:25,27 --> 00:06:30,17 everyone to go along with you with an illegal violation of the Supreme Court's 95 00:06:30,18 --> 00:06:35,96 order so as long as people start getting married in Texas there's going to be very 96 00:06:35,97 --> 00:06:39,26 hard to sustain some sort of revolt by 97 00:06:39,27 --> 00:06:43,59 a handful of people and secondly with regard to say Obamacare which we thought was 98 00:06:43,60 --> 00:06:47,93 a done deal they took the legislative decision to the courts this time it's 99 00:06:47,94 --> 00:06:52,68 a court decision and they have nowhere to take thank you as always for joining us 100 00:06:52,69 --> 00:06:57,77 and helping untangle some of these headlines thanks so much. My guests are all my 101 00:06:57,78 --> 00:07:00,68 Genesis Eola just an author of Full Spectrum Dominance U.S. 102 00:07:00,69 --> 00:07:03,51 Power in Iraq and beyond this is uprising will be right back. 103 00:08:06,80 --> 00:08:11,36 The Welcome back to uprising I'm so not equal had the Islamic State in Iraq and 104 00:08:11,37 --> 00:08:12,98 Syria is celebrating its 105 00:08:12,99 --> 00:08:16,70 a one year anniversary today on June twenty ninth two thousand and fourteen the 106 00:08:16,71 --> 00:08:17,71 group declared itself 107 00:08:17,72 --> 00:08:22,71 a caliphate with Barker all but as its leader in the lead up to those were 108 00:08:22,72 --> 00:08:24,02 a moment ISIS carried out 109 00:08:24,03 --> 00:08:28,54 a who reflects massacre in the Syrian border town of core body last Thursday the 110 00:08:28,55 --> 00:08:33,25 Kurdish town so one hundred forty five of its residents killed and what is likely 111 00:08:33,26 --> 00:08:37,30 to be the second worst massacre ever carried out by ISIS there were many children 112 00:08:37,31 --> 00:08:41,35 women and elderly among the killings which were the results of at least two suicide 113 00:08:41,36 --> 00:08:44,88 bomb attacks Meanwhile three other incidents around the world are being attributed 114 00:08:44,89 --> 00:08:48,19 to ISIS late last week inching Musea an armed attack on 115 00:08:48,20 --> 00:08:52,46 a beach resulted in at least thirty eight deaths and at least half of those deaths 116 00:08:52,47 --> 00:08:54,07 were of British nationals U.K. 117 00:08:54,08 --> 00:08:56,13 Prime Minister David Cameron has not promised 118 00:08:56,14 --> 00:09:01,76 a quote full spectrum response to ISIS calling it a poisonous death cult in France 119 00:09:01,77 --> 00:09:05,42 a US run chemical plant was attacked with one person being beheaded in an 120 00:09:05,43 --> 00:09:08,43 unsuccessful attempt to blow up the entire plant and in Kuwait 121 00:09:08,47 --> 00:09:11,85 a mosque was attacked with dozens killed the U.S. 122 00:09:11,86 --> 00:09:15,82 And its allies launched twenty one ear strikes in that ISIS over the weekend in 123 00:09:15,83 --> 00:09:18,91 Syria and Iraq My guest is Risperdal He's 124 00:09:18,92 --> 00:09:22,22 a veteran freelance foreign correspondent who's traveled widely Prost of Middle 125 00:09:22,23 --> 00:09:24,43 Eastern just and has written 126 00:09:24,44 --> 00:09:28,85 a number of books and one of them being conversations with terrorists and Middle 127 00:09:28,86 --> 00:09:33,52 East leaders on politics violence and empire and also his book is called His latest 128 00:09:33,53 --> 00:09:37,10 book is called Inside Syria the back story of the Civil War and what the world can 129 00:09:37,11 --> 00:09:42,15 expect Welcome back to the show Reese thank you so much for having me now co Bonnie 130 00:09:42,19 --> 00:09:44,67 just months ago successfully repelled 131 00:09:44,68 --> 00:09:49,50 a takeover by ISIS it was the center of Kurdish resistance and the U.S. 132 00:09:49,51 --> 00:09:50,44 Made much of 133 00:09:50,48 --> 00:09:55,73 a setback for ISIS What does this new attack mean with these suicide bombings last 134 00:09:55,74 --> 00:09:58,41 Thursday I mean how did it happen how does ISIS have 135 00:09:58,42 --> 00:10:03,63 a foothold in this place once again. Well it doesn't really have any ability to 136 00:10:03,64 --> 00:10:10,61 really occupy Kabbani but they were able to send in suicide bombers and truck 137 00:10:10,62 --> 00:10:17,02 primers disguised as Peshmerga are described as Free Syrian Army are and cause you 138 00:10:17,03 --> 00:10:18,70 great deal of damage and it rose in 139 00:10:18,71 --> 00:10:23,08 a certain manner setback but I think it looking at it in 140 00:10:23,09 --> 00:10:28,56 a wider context the Kurdish Free Syrian Army forces were able to take 141 00:10:28,93 --> 00:10:35,51 a town right along the Kurdish Syria sorry Kurdish Syrian Memnoch Turkish border 142 00:10:36,49 --> 00:10:43,35 that would enable your potential cutting off supply lines to the ISIS forces 143 00:10:43,36 --> 00:10:46,91 not far away in Iraq so this seen in 144 00:10:46,92 --> 00:10:53,60 a wider context they're striking back and remember to keep their supply lines open 145 00:10:54,05 --> 00:11:00,09 all the way into central Syria let's talk about the fact that this 146 00:11:00,10 --> 00:11:06,10 particular incident and series of incidents on Thursday may have been enabled by 147 00:11:06,14 --> 00:11:09,52 Turkey this is how the New York Times described what happened Islam exchange 148 00:11:09,53 --> 00:11:14,40 fighters disguised in the uniforms of truck of Kurdish militia men had sneaked into 149 00:11:14,41 --> 00:11:16,47 the town at dawn when few people were weak than 150 00:11:16,48 --> 00:11:20,67 a large truck bomb exploded at the town's border crossing with Turkey setting off 151 00:11:20,68 --> 00:11:24,47 clashes between the Islamic state militants and local Kurdish forces the entered 152 00:11:24,48 --> 00:11:27,83 the neighborhoods and started killing civilians on their way said by Ron Mescal 153 00:11:27,84 --> 00:11:31,53 Kurdish activist and Co Bonnie and he said about one hundred Islamic fighters 154 00:11:31,54 --> 00:11:36,73 disguised at little as locals had taken up positions in cold Bonnie now in the past 155 00:11:36,74 --> 00:11:37,99 year Turkey has had 156 00:11:38,00 --> 00:11:41,92 a complicated relationship with ISIS and many of the accused of essentially in 157 00:11:41,93 --> 00:11:43,01 neighboring ice 158 00:11:43,02 --> 00:11:46,65 a spider's to get in through its border do you think that's possibly what happened 159 00:11:46,91 --> 00:11:49,88 well there's no no question that historically Turkey has 160 00:11:49,89 --> 00:11:55,68 a lot of extremist forces to use it's our transit through Turkey into Syria are 161 00:11:56,00 --> 00:12:01,35 they figured they were back in whoever heard seem to make some. Progress against 162 00:12:01,36 --> 00:12:07,07 the Assad government. Therefore have no problem packing financially and militarily 163 00:12:07,08 --> 00:12:13,43 his extremist groups the current thinking is that the Turks consider the 164 00:12:13,47 --> 00:12:19,61 Kurdish fighters of the P Y D who are affiliated with her Turkish piece here her to 165 00:12:19,62 --> 00:12:26,48 be more dangerous them the ISIS. People who follow that view suspect 166 00:12:26,49 --> 00:12:31,36 that the Turks have allowed ISIS to use Turkish territory to come in to cross the 167 00:12:31,37 --> 00:12:36,69 border bring in arms and so on because above all else the Turks do not want to see 168 00:12:37,00 --> 00:12:38,77 any P.K. Enclave or 169 00:12:39,11 --> 00:12:43,46 a longer Syrian Turkish border the people here of course mean the Kercher STEM 170 00:12:43,95 --> 00:12:49,06 workers party any group in Turkey that has been tried finding prot Tommy is labeled 171 00:12:49,07 --> 00:12:49,21 as 172 00:12:49,22 --> 00:12:56,28 a terrorist group Traktor they're not and of course this has been the. You 173 00:12:56,29 --> 00:13:02,59 know fighters have been amongst the most effective resistance to ISIS on the ground 174 00:13:02,63 --> 00:13:07,42 in undermining that effectively Turkey undermines the U.S. 175 00:13:07,43 --> 00:13:14,36 War on ISIS as well doesn't exactly it highlights the futility of the U.S. 176 00:13:14,37 --> 00:13:20,28 Bombing effort in Syria and Iraq because basically and has very few if any allies 177 00:13:20,29 --> 00:13:27,03 on the ground with the exception of the Kurds the dispute goes back to August of 178 00:13:27,04 --> 00:13:28,19 last year when the U.S. 179 00:13:28,20 --> 00:13:34,25 Decided that the Islamic state was the main enemy in Syria the Turks the Saudis and 180 00:13:34,26 --> 00:13:40,69 all the rebel groups basically believe that Assad is the main enemy and that 181 00:13:40,70 --> 00:13:45,09 difference has led to huge practical differences on the ground and of course lest 182 00:13:45,10 --> 00:13:47,31 we focus on the U.S. 183 00:13:47,32 --> 00:13:51,37 War as being anything other than a disaster let's talk about the fact that the U.S. 184 00:13:51,38 --> 00:13:57,80 Has over the past year essentially gone back into Iraq in terms of now fighting in 185 00:13:57,84 --> 00:14:03,32 your war which has expanded into. Syria over the weekend I mentioned it twenty one 186 00:14:03,63 --> 00:14:09,67 targets were hit twenty one airstrikes rather hit number of targets not only is the 187 00:14:09,68 --> 00:14:09,98 U.S. 188 00:14:09,99 --> 00:14:15,11 Bombing necessary you know to seeming to be few tile in this past year isn't it also 189 00:14:15,12 --> 00:14:21,21 fueling ISIS doesn't make things worse doesn't and don't the past decades of U.S. 190 00:14:21,22 --> 00:14:26,84 Wars in the region prove that this is just not an option or an approach that ever 191 00:14:26,85 --> 00:14:33,10 works well you notice that. I mean it seems glaringly obvious to everybody everyone 192 00:14:33,11 --> 00:14:36,92 has except in Washington I just came back this weekend from speaking in Washington 193 00:14:36,93 --> 00:14:37,49 D.C. 194 00:14:37,87 --> 00:14:44,34 And there's this amazing bubble in the capital. The debate is between 195 00:14:44,64 --> 00:14:48,79 traditional interventionists am humanitarian intervention is not your idea that the 196 00:14:48,80 --> 00:14:49,08 U.S. 197 00:14:49,09 --> 00:14:53,80 Should intervene at all is completely strange back there but of course the rest of 198 00:14:53,81 --> 00:14:59,05 the world recognizes that and I was in northern Iraq in the Kurdish region in 199 00:14:59,06 --> 00:15:04,79 August of last year when the bombing started and I wrote at the time that the U.S. 200 00:15:04,80 --> 00:15:09,59 Had no allies on the ground to fight door to door as would be necessary to retake 201 00:15:10,04 --> 00:15:15,98 territory and cities and the bombing would not accomplish the goals and sure how 202 00:15:16,04 --> 00:15:18,93 that's been the case and it's been or calling our almost 203 00:15:18,94 --> 00:15:23,22 a year now and the but US continues to bomb and the Islamic State has become 204 00:15:23,88 --> 00:15:24,81 transformed from 205 00:15:24,82 --> 00:15:30,33 a very evil very dangerous group to the people of Syria and Iraq to 206 00:15:30,34 --> 00:15:35,25 a very evil very dangerous group danger to the whole world and it's 207 00:15:35,26 --> 00:15:36,46 a direct result of the U.S. 208 00:15:36,47 --> 00:15:41,10 Bombing and all the publicity they've given them now let's talk about it 209 00:15:41,11 --> 00:15:45,15 a couple of other attacks that took place last week and this is certainly 210 00:15:45,66 --> 00:15:48,56 consistent with what ISIS already announced that they announced essentially 211 00:15:48,57 --> 00:15:54,20 a month of disaster for non Muslims during the holy month of Ramadan that you know 212 00:15:54,21 --> 00:15:59,75 Muslims around the world celebrate and to commemorate with 213 00:15:59,76 --> 00:16:04,57 a. Month of fasting in chimneys you know whose Arab Spring revolution was supposed 214 00:16:04,58 --> 00:16:09,79 to be the most successful to full of various revolutions. Thirty eight people at 215 00:16:09,80 --> 00:16:12,46 least with killed in a primarily tourist area on 216 00:16:12,47 --> 00:16:17,67 a beach and I understand the way either one or multiple gunmen wielding 217 00:16:17,68 --> 00:16:22,19 a Kalashnikov in the resort town of Seuss' How could this have happened and why do 218 00:16:22,20 --> 00:16:28,31 you think ISIS attacked Turkey of course ISIS has killed. In gruesome ways before 219 00:16:28,32 --> 00:16:32,11 but this time it went after tourists you know I think first of all it's important 220 00:16:32,12 --> 00:16:34,75 to note that this is not an example of 221 00:16:34,76 --> 00:16:40,20 a coordinated commanding control situation where people sitting in Iraq as Syria 222 00:16:40,41 --> 00:16:44,53 can issue orders around the world to carry out these attacks these are 223 00:16:44,77 --> 00:16:50,46 a target they are our general call is made and then individuals or small groups in 224 00:16:50,47 --> 00:16:55,99 various places take it upon themselves to. Carry out these horrific attacks are 225 00:16:56,00 --> 00:16:59,76 similar to what's happened in the United States at various times with individuals 226 00:17:00,02 --> 00:17:05,84 carrying out what they consider to be or. Attacks but it's not under the commanding 227 00:17:05,85 --> 00:17:11,27 control of ISIS you're quite correct and I've been in Tunisia it is of all the Arab 228 00:17:11,28 --> 00:17:17,85 Spring uprisings who has the most stable. After significant force in the 229 00:17:17,86 --> 00:17:21,45 politics of the country through the trade unions than student movement through 230 00:17:21,46 --> 00:17:24,34 parliament. And but there's always been 231 00:17:24,35 --> 00:17:31,06 a huge danger from the extremists. Who are cool Islam and they are 232 00:17:31,07 --> 00:17:34,16 this most recent attack is an example that it wasn't but 233 00:17:34,17 --> 00:17:35,46 a few months ago there was an attack on 234 00:17:35,47 --> 00:17:38,92 a museum there and as evil as this is there is 235 00:17:38,93 --> 00:17:42,73 a plan behind it which is they want to discredit tourism as 236 00:17:42,74 --> 00:17:48,42 a major force for the economy in Tunisia if they can discourage tourism of tourists 237 00:17:48,43 --> 00:17:52,87 from coming in it will hurt the economy it will cause instability and they hope 238 00:17:53,09 --> 00:17:57,56 allowing them to come to power but as an actual political force these extremist 239 00:17:57,57 --> 00:18:01,60 groups are very mobile supporting Tunisia and. Then there's the Kuwait attack 240 00:18:01,61 --> 00:18:03,89 twenty seven people killed when a Shiite 241 00:18:03,90 --> 00:18:08,12 a mosque it was bombed in Kuwait and this of course even though it is 242 00:18:08,13 --> 00:18:14,82 a gulf country is a very prominent ally of the United States and has been and it's 243 00:18:14,92 --> 00:18:20,52 a country that ISIS as far as I know has not been able to carry out this kind of an 244 00:18:20,53 --> 00:18:26,77 attack in before how unprecedented is the ISIS attack on Kuwait Well keep in mind 245 00:18:26,78 --> 00:18:28,91 that these are all soft targets you grab is 246 00:18:28,92 --> 00:18:32,86 a good word bombing police stations or military operations where the U.S. 247 00:18:32,87 --> 00:18:37,29 Bases or some you know military targets you go after 248 00:18:37,30 --> 00:18:42,31 a mosque where people are not armed robbers are no guards and so on and of course 249 00:18:42,66 --> 00:18:47,63 for people who claim to be upholding political Islam who are they murdered fellow 250 00:18:47,76 --> 00:18:53,33 Muslims I mean it's absolutely outrageous Now as to the Sunni ISIS of this ISIS 251 00:18:53,34 --> 00:18:57,66 group that claims that they are Sunni supremacists Shiites they don't even consider 252 00:18:57,67 --> 00:19:01,73 Shiites Muslims there exactly so anybody who doesn't agree with them in terms of 253 00:19:01,74 --> 00:19:06,94 religion or politics is an enemy and therefore subject to bombing by what the 254 00:19:06,95 --> 00:19:11,99 impact of this is to people who are Muslims in general around the world as 255 00:19:12,00 --> 00:19:17,39 a result of these tactics now let's talk about the fact that there was an incident 256 00:19:17,40 --> 00:19:19,03 in France where U.S. 257 00:19:19,04 --> 00:19:23,80 From chemical plant was attacked it's not clear if ISIS was behind this of course 258 00:19:23,81 --> 00:19:27,96 I'm sure it's happy to take credit for anything it possibly can there was an 259 00:19:27,97 --> 00:19:28,40 employee of 260 00:19:28,41 --> 00:19:33,96 a delivery truck trying to blow up the plant and that horror horrifically gruesome 261 00:19:33,97 --> 00:19:37,91 crime the head and the body of his boss found in the truck he was driving along 262 00:19:37,92 --> 00:19:41,83 with flags that look like ISIS flags What do you make of this of course ISIS has 263 00:19:41,84 --> 00:19:46,53 made it very clear that it wants to bring these attacks to western shores. And 264 00:19:46,54 --> 00:19:50,01 France has already you know had the Charlie ability X. 265 00:19:50,05 --> 00:19:54,80 Earlier this year which ISIS also claimed credit for you know I think we have to 266 00:19:54,81 --> 00:19:59,46 read to see exactly who are more details on that attack in the U.S. 267 00:19:59,47 --> 00:20:04,77 Or her. Disgruntled worker attacks post office or someone not going to answer the 268 00:20:04,78 --> 00:20:09,37 deranged individual whereas in your situation is automatically assumed it must be 269 00:20:09,38 --> 00:20:13,19 a crazy Muslim or Summers or were similar part of some organized political party 270 00:20:13,23 --> 00:20:16,26 and it is you are if you're Muslim then you must be part of some terrorist 271 00:20:16,27 --> 00:20:20,10 international organization we simply don't know at this point in hope we will find 272 00:20:20,11 --> 00:20:26,72 out but it is true that there are young needed immigrants from North Africa from 273 00:20:26,73 --> 00:20:32,75 countries like Nigeria. Tunisia and others in France who are alienated who are 274 00:20:32,79 --> 00:20:36,54 stuck in poverty and some of them turned to these extremist groups as an 275 00:20:36,55 --> 00:20:41,18 alternative now I want to bring up David Cameron because he's been quite vocal 276 00:20:41,19 --> 00:20:46,48 prime minister of the United Kingdom who in response to the attack into New Zealand 277 00:20:46,49 --> 00:20:52,25 where number of Britons were killed fifteen possibly thirty of those killed were 278 00:20:52,80 --> 00:20:58,24 were British citizens he has talked about striking back with 279 00:20:58,25 --> 00:21:03,76 a full spectrum of Spawn's against ISIS but this is exactly what ISIS wants in 280 00:21:03,80 --> 00:21:10,58 killing these British civilians. Tourists essentially and targeting the 281 00:21:10,59 --> 00:21:16,72 West it wants to draw the West in and Cameron is very much embracing the bait and 282 00:21:16,76 --> 00:21:17,86 this is also a sort of 283 00:21:17,87 --> 00:21:22,00 a dilemma for press you know for those of us in the media covering these issues on 284 00:21:22,01 --> 00:21:26,93 the one hand ISIS desperately wants attention and their dramatic and gruesome 285 00:21:26,94 --> 00:21:33,69 propaganda is designed to elicit disgust and anger on the other hand you know 286 00:21:33,89 --> 00:21:36,43 we can't ignore it how do you view as 287 00:21:36,44 --> 00:21:42,26 a journalist Reece these responses and what ISIS's is trying to do and you know the 288 00:21:42,27 --> 00:21:46,72 way in which it's trying to bait the world basically Well keep in mind that there 289 00:21:46,73 --> 00:21:52,31 are media coverage these days doesn't have the same impact it might have or some 290 00:21:52,32 --> 00:21:59,23 years ago because Rice is very effectively uses face sort. ISIS 291 00:21:59,24 --> 00:22:04,13 very effectively uses Facebook and other social media to its advantage which of 292 00:22:04,14 --> 00:22:09,66 course has nothing to do with mainstream media coverage or even Pacifica type 293 00:22:09,67 --> 00:22:16,44 coverage so the I mean I think as journalists we have to cover what's going on and 294 00:22:17,19 --> 00:22:21,03 keep in mind that the vast majority of Muslims around the world not to mention 295 00:22:21,04 --> 00:22:26,17 everyone else of horrors these kinds of attacks but to solve the problem the 296 00:22:26,18 --> 00:22:30,18 military attacks are not going to do it alone you have to undercut them politically 297 00:22:30,63 --> 00:22:32,79 the British or U.S. 298 00:22:32,80 --> 00:22:39,33 And other countries have to change their policies stop the kind of military attacks 299 00:22:39,54 --> 00:22:41,75 stop Iran question support for Israel has 300 00:22:41,76 --> 00:22:46,35 a whole list of things that would undercut these groups politically and therefore 301 00:22:46,36 --> 00:22:52,22 lay the basis for. Dealing death momentarily And speaking of Israel the latest 302 00:22:52,23 --> 00:22:59,20 freedom through to Gaza was just stopped by and there have 303 00:22:59,21 --> 00:23:05,43 been no casualties so far and Israel has traditionally in the past attacked them 304 00:23:05,44 --> 00:23:09,52 violently attacked such ships that have been trying to break the siege on Gaza 305 00:23:09,56 --> 00:23:16,06 violently finally as ISIS seems to have recovered from its minor 306 00:23:16,07 --> 00:23:20,41 setbacks over the past few months and as it enters its second year as 307 00:23:21,19 --> 00:23:26,81 a caliphate self declared caliphate what do you foresee for this summer while in 308 00:23:26,82 --> 00:23:28,22 the short run it's going to be 309 00:23:28,27 --> 00:23:33,98 a lot of our continued fighting the. Very difficult situation the 310 00:23:34,67 --> 00:23:35,99 bombing by the U.S. 311 00:23:36,00 --> 00:23:39,61 Britain and others is not having the impact that they claimed it would but they're 312 00:23:39,62 --> 00:23:43,88 going to continue doing it which means more civilians continue to die Islamic state 313 00:23:43,89 --> 00:23:48,58 whoa have some setbacks or we'll have some directories I don't think there are 314 00:23:48,73 --> 00:23:49,14 there will be 315 00:23:49,15 --> 00:23:55,08 a decisive her battle in the ME in the media obit more optimistic because I think 316 00:23:55,09 --> 00:24:00,74 there can be a political settlement both in. Or. Syria or Iran there's going to be 317 00:24:00,75 --> 00:24:01,43 a lot more fighting 318 00:24:01,44 --> 00:24:05,84 a lot more ground well research going to thank you so much for joining us today and 319 00:24:05,85 --> 00:24:09,52 I'm sure we'll have you back on the show in the future always my pleasure my guest 320 00:24:09,53 --> 00:24:10,15 recently as 321 00:24:10,16 --> 00:24:13,13 a veteran foreign correspondent and we've been talking about the one year 322 00:24:13,14 --> 00:24:14,60 anniversary of ISIS He's written 323 00:24:14,61 --> 00:24:18,18 a number of books including conversations with terrorists Mideast leaders on 324 00:24:18,19 --> 00:24:20,97 politics violence and Empire His latest book is called Inside 325 00:24:20,98 --> 00:24:25,22 a Syria the back story of the Civil War and what the world can expect and 326 00:24:25,23 --> 00:24:29,04 a brief announcement by the way for southern California audience exactly 327 00:24:29,05 --> 00:24:34,29 a week from tomorrow Max Blumenthal will be coming to Southern California to 328 00:24:34,30 --> 00:24:38,33 present his latest book The fifty one day war ruin and resistance in Gaza it's an 329 00:24:38,34 --> 00:24:42,92 event organized by uprising I'll be interviewing max on stage and you can get 330 00:24:42,93 --> 00:24:45,61 tickets to this event at K.P. 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On July eighth two thousand and fourteen Israel launched airstrikes on the 341 00:25:28,06 --> 00:25:29,30 Gaza Strip followed by 342 00:25:29,31 --> 00:25:33,82 a ground invasion the ensuing fifty one days before left more than twenty two 343 00:25:33,83 --> 00:25:38,38 hundred people dead the vast majority of whom are Palestinian civilians including 344 00:25:38,39 --> 00:25:42,98 five hundred children encrypted journalist Max Blumenthal has just released 345 00:25:42,99 --> 00:25:48,26 a new book The fifty one day war ruin and resistance in Gaza on Tuesday July 346 00:25:48,27 --> 00:25:52,72 seventh at seven pm on the eve of the first anniversary of the war join me so not 347 00:25:52,73 --> 00:25:54,51 equal her host of uprising in 348 00:25:54,52 --> 00:25:58,18 a staged conversation with Max movement all about his book even 349 00:25:58,19 --> 00:26:02,60 a little. So feature Iranian born award winning poet. 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At the First Congregational Church. 353 00:27:22,77 --> 00:27:26,69 Welcome back uprising I'm so non-legal had the Senate passed 354 00:27:26,70 --> 00:27:32,08 a major trade promotion authority bill last week that handed President Obama 355 00:27:32,09 --> 00:27:36,64 victory he has been working hard to achieve now the president will have the 356 00:27:36,65 --> 00:27:41,48 authority to send an already negotiated trade deal to Congress for simple yes or no 357 00:27:41,49 --> 00:27:47,06 vote with no power to make amendments in his attempt to pass fast track authority 358 00:27:47,07 --> 00:27:49,97 for the transpacific partnership or T.P. 359 00:27:50,25 --> 00:27:54,10 The president made many claims including how the massive trade deal would be good 360 00:27:54,11 --> 00:27:58,88 for workers' wages and the environment and more but organized labor with its 361 00:27:58,89 --> 00:28:03,21 hindsight and knowledge of the disaster of NAFTA lobbied hard against fast track 362 00:28:03,22 --> 00:28:04,13 for the T.P. 363 00:28:04,56 --> 00:28:08,04 They were joined by environmentalist students and many activists of different 364 00:28:08,05 --> 00:28:12,93 stripes the multi-faceted coalition that mobilized against fast track made real 365 00:28:12,97 --> 00:28:17,73 inroads into public education of the secretive and destructive trade deal but in 366 00:28:17,74 --> 00:28:22,78 the end it failed or did it joining me to help answer that question is Ilana 367 00:28:22,79 --> 00:28:27,79 Solomon She's the director of responsible trade program of the Sierra Club welcome 368 00:28:27,80 --> 00:28:31,83 to present Ilana thank you so much for having me thanks for joining us well how 369 00:28:31,84 --> 00:28:37,74 disappointed were you when the Senate passed the bill. Well certainly we were 370 00:28:37,75 --> 00:28:38,60 disappointed 371 00:28:38,61 --> 00:28:45,05 a number of senators and Democrats in our House of Representatives voted against 372 00:28:45,06 --> 00:28:47,12 communities workers and the environment and for 373 00:28:47,13 --> 00:28:52,82 a really toxic fast track Bella but at the same time we think that our movement in 374 00:28:52,83 --> 00:28:57,24 this campaign has made incredible gains and really made 375 00:28:57,25 --> 00:29:02,04 a very public issue of just how bad the fast track and the T.P. P. 376 00:29:02,47 --> 00:29:07,45 Are for workers the environment the public and we are just emboldened by the fire 377 00:29:07,69 --> 00:29:09,52 in our pivoting now to defeating the T.V. 378 00:29:09,86 --> 00:29:12,59 Directly and think we have 379 00:29:12,63 --> 00:29:19,32 a really good shot still well why would the majority of the Senate and the 380 00:29:19,33 --> 00:29:22,32 house at least in this current configuration with the G.O.P. 381 00:29:22,33 --> 00:29:28,60 In charge down the bill the gave the president the authority to 382 00:29:28,85 --> 00:29:34,87 negotiate and to present because this party which is the majority party in power 383 00:29:34,91 --> 00:29:37,23 has basically entered into 384 00:29:37,24 --> 00:29:41,48 a very strong partnership with the president on this one issue it's the one issue 385 00:29:41,49 --> 00:29:46,40 they really agree on that's true but we've already seen for example the twenty 386 00:29:46,41 --> 00:29:51,47 eight Democrats in the House who voted for Fast Track have already been saying they 387 00:29:51,48 --> 00:29:51,66 took 388 00:29:51,67 --> 00:29:56,92 a leap of faith essential you by voting for fast track and now the promises of the 389 00:29:56,93 --> 00:30:01,68 strongest ever Trans-Pacific. Strongest ever trade agreement for labor an 390 00:30:01,69 --> 00:30:06,20 environment you know must come to fruition and we know that that's not going to 391 00:30:06,21 --> 00:30:07,23 happen but the T.P. 392 00:30:07,24 --> 00:30:07,76 Is not 393 00:30:07,77 --> 00:30:12,46 a strong trade agreement for workers or the environmental So we do still think that 394 00:30:12,47 --> 00:30:14,15 there is going to be 395 00:30:14,19 --> 00:30:20,13 a good amount of work to ensure that Democrats in Congress vote down the tepee and 396 00:30:20,14 --> 00:30:20,27 there's 397 00:30:20,28 --> 00:30:23,84 a real question of whether you know Republicans alone are still going to want to 398 00:30:23,85 --> 00:30:28,98 give President Obama when so it's the Democrats that you think activists are going 399 00:30:28,99 --> 00:30:33,74 to be focused on those who voted for the bill but I'm assuming also joining with 400 00:30:33,75 --> 00:30:37,76 those who voted against. Trade promotion authority the question is if you can get 401 00:30:37,77 --> 00:30:41,64 enough Republicans to join and you may just may have enough votes when T.P. 402 00:30:41,65 --> 00:30:42,24 Comes up for 403 00:30:42,25 --> 00:30:46,86 a vote that's exactly right it's still you know an unfinished agreement many 404 00:30:46,87 --> 00:30:50,63 members of Congress unfortunately voted for without even having seen the whole 405 00:30:50,64 --> 00:30:55,57 agreement now we're going to focus on the facts of the agreement will see the text 406 00:30:55,58 --> 00:30:59,01 soon we are absolutely confident that the text will prove that we have been right 407 00:30:59,05 --> 00:31:04,51 all along about the environmental disaster of the Trans-Pacific Partnership is and 408 00:31:05,28 --> 00:31:10,16 and now we have you know increased time to just continue building incredible 409 00:31:10,38 --> 00:31:15,21 movement of activists that now are making the connections between how the trade 410 00:31:15,22 --> 00:31:16,57 agreements like the T.P. 411 00:31:16,58 --> 00:31:21,51 Impact clean air clean water the right to say no to fracking G.M.O. 412 00:31:21,52 --> 00:31:25,35 Labeling any issue you know members of the public care about is going to be 413 00:31:25,36 --> 00:31:27,06 connected by the T.V. P. 414 00:31:27,44 --> 00:31:32,07 And we think that the movement is just. Getting bigger and stronger and of course 415 00:31:32,11 --> 00:31:35,20 there was enough information about the T.P. 416 00:31:35,21 --> 00:31:42,10 To cause. Distrust and. And negativity just 417 00:31:42,11 --> 00:31:46,90 from the small bits that have been leaked to the public Wiki Leaks has released 418 00:31:46,91 --> 00:31:52,28 many you know small sections here and there and enough people have seen the bill 419 00:31:53,11 --> 00:31:58,40 seen the draft agreement in its draft form have been horrified So certainly one 420 00:31:58,41 --> 00:32:00,80 hopes that when it does come up for 421 00:32:00,81 --> 00:32:05,52 a vote that members of Congress will see it as problematic and often 422 00:32:05,56 --> 00:32:10,58 a big part of the issue is that it is secretive so if and when the P.P. 423 00:32:10,59 --> 00:32:15,25 Comes up for an up or down vote which is what fast track now is to authorize as the 424 00:32:15,26 --> 00:32:20,80 president to offer Congress how will anybody be able to report on it how will there 425 00:32:20,81 --> 00:32:24,73 be any kind of public education about it if members of Congress aren't even allowed 426 00:32:24,74 --> 00:32:28,64 to share its details with the public are we just posed to trust that they will do 427 00:32:28,65 --> 00:32:33,50 the right thing when they see the secret details well once the T P P If the T.V. 428 00:32:33,51 --> 00:32:34,41 Concludes and that's not 429 00:32:34,42 --> 00:32:40,25 a forgone conclude. Either but if it does conclude the text will be public and it 430 00:32:40,26 --> 00:32:44,30 will be public for at least sixty day is so we will be able to have an open 431 00:32:44,31 --> 00:32:50,19 conversation about the contents of the agreement and the facts you know on the page 432 00:32:50,54 --> 00:32:55,37 so we will be doing nothing education campaign and analysis of the text how it 433 00:32:55,38 --> 00:32:59,72 harms works as it will be public I So what about the contention that it was going 434 00:32:59,73 --> 00:33:05,19 to have to be secret for four years after it was seen no those are some of the 435 00:33:05,20 --> 00:33:07,94 draft texts that go into the T.P. 436 00:33:07,95 --> 00:33:11,43 Will remain secret for four years but the actual agreement itself will be fully 437 00:33:11,44 --> 00:33:15,36 public so negotiations concluded before a vote happens so there is 438 00:33:15,37 --> 00:33:20,28 a big opportunity to analyze the text I mean believe me it's far too late to have 439 00:33:20,29 --> 00:33:25,46 the text public after it's already been agreed to but nonetheless it should have 440 00:33:25,47 --> 00:33:29,59 been public years ago but nonetheless we will have if the negotiations include the 441 00:33:29,60 --> 00:33:31,86 text of the agreement and we will be able to do 442 00:33:31,87 --> 00:33:37,79 a big education campaign and you know just. Further an understanding of how harmful 443 00:33:37,80 --> 00:33:42,15 this tactic isn't Obama and aren't the G.O.P. 444 00:33:42,55 --> 00:33:46,94 Congress members who voted for this technique huge risk with this up an up or down 445 00:33:46,95 --> 00:33:51,98 vote if after everything's been negotiated it's presented to Congress without the 446 00:33:51,99 --> 00:33:57,67 power to make amendments and Congress does manage to voted down then it's over. 447 00:33:58,84 --> 00:34:02,62 That's absolutely true although as we know you know I think the other thing about 448 00:34:02,63 --> 00:34:08,29 the up or down vote as that even with fast track pass Congress does still have the 449 00:34:08,30 --> 00:34:11,13 power to demand concessions even after 450 00:34:11,14 --> 00:34:14,54 a negotiation has concluded and that happened in two thousand and seven with our 451 00:34:14,55 --> 00:34:20,62 U.S. Peru free trade agreement even I did have fast track so there are still 452 00:34:20,67 --> 00:34:26,61 a lot of opportunities for Congrats Congress to its influence over the negotiations 453 00:34:26,67 --> 00:34:30,85 and. Again so it can't it can't offer 454 00:34:30,86 --> 00:34:35,59 a formal amendments but it can influence the details Yeah I can still go back and 455 00:34:35,60 --> 00:34:40,34 demand changes and I go in process let's talk about the fight. 456 00:34:42,95 --> 00:34:47,08 In the battle against fast track and essentially what's called trade promotion 457 00:34:47,09 --> 00:34:50,10 authority big challenge for activists like yourself was 458 00:34:50,11 --> 00:34:54,44 a fact that the public was essentially quite ignorant by and large ignorant of what 459 00:34:54,45 --> 00:34:55,06 the T.P. 460 00:34:55,07 --> 00:34:59,61 Was all about because the mainstream media did it curable job educating folks right 461 00:34:59,62 --> 00:35:03,21 I mean wasn't a big part of your job simply getting the word out about the D.P.P. 462 00:35:03,22 --> 00:35:06,66 What it was and what it entailed that's true it was 463 00:35:06,67 --> 00:35:11,03 a huge part of our job I do you know think the mainstream media did do 464 00:35:11,04 --> 00:35:14,30 a poor job reporting on it but it wasn't necessarily their fault 465 00:35:14,31 --> 00:35:19,58 a part of the fault was that the negotiations were conducted in such extreme 466 00:35:19,59 --> 00:35:23,80 secrecy that no one had the information members of the public members of Congress 467 00:35:23,81 --> 00:35:30,06 the media so members of the public did remain you know just didn't have the 468 00:35:30,07 --> 00:35:34,09 information they needed for the last five years while this pact was under 469 00:35:34,10 --> 00:35:38,14 negotiation but we've made huge strides I mean even you know three and 470 00:35:38,15 --> 00:35:41,18 a half years ago when I started working on this issue of the Sierra Club we would 471 00:35:41,19 --> 00:35:45,05 go into forums and say who has heard about the Trans-Pacific Partnership you know 472 00:35:45,06 --> 00:35:48,79 raise your hand and almost no one will have heard of it and now we've literally 473 00:35:48,80 --> 00:35:55,20 seen millions of people taking action signing petitions you know making phone calls 474 00:35:55,21 --> 00:36:00,63 going to rallies Sierra Club members alone out hundreds of thousands of our members 475 00:36:00,64 --> 00:36:04,46 engage in a society so just of the last few years we've had just 476 00:36:04,47 --> 00:36:11,14 a huge that uptick in awareness and mobilization on this issue so. With 477 00:36:11,15 --> 00:36:13,39 a little bit more time we think you can do even more well you're 478 00:36:13,40 --> 00:36:17,34 a lot kinder to the mainstream media than I am because of course if you and your 479 00:36:17,35 --> 00:36:21,27 fellow activists can educate the public the giving New York Times could have 480 00:36:21,28 --> 00:36:21,75 certainly done 481 00:36:21,76 --> 00:36:28,37 a better chance. But let's talk about the fact that even the flight to reason 482 00:36:29,21 --> 00:36:34,95 and the intense law being that ordinary activists did you see did that have an 483 00:36:34,96 --> 00:36:38,83 impact do you think on the actual content of the draft agreement as far as you know 484 00:36:39,06 --> 00:36:45,94 were you able to influence the direction of negotiations. I think that it's it's 485 00:36:45,95 --> 00:36:49,47 a little too early to say whether the content of the negotiations have been 486 00:36:49,48 --> 00:36:54,04 influenced we'll see when we see the text but I think the even more important point 487 00:36:54,48 --> 00:36:55,10 is that without 488 00:36:55,11 --> 00:36:59,47 a doubt we have an influence the debate both in communities across the United 489 00:36:59,48 --> 00:37:02,39 States and in the halls of Congress and there's a scene in 490 00:37:02,40 --> 00:37:04,36 a number of ways including from 491 00:37:04,80 --> 00:37:10,41 a Democratic Leader Pelosi who voted against fast track and made 492 00:37:10,73 --> 00:37:14,45 a big reason that she voted against it talking about you know the implications to 493 00:37:14,46 --> 00:37:18,05 workers the implications to our climate I want so far as to say that this is the 494 00:37:18,06 --> 00:37:21,39 last debate of its kind on fast track because we need 495 00:37:21,63 --> 00:37:27,34 a new paradigm and I think that just shows just how far the movement calling for 496 00:37:27,35 --> 00:37:30,54 a new model of trade has reached right that is certainly 497 00:37:30,55 --> 00:37:34,89 a very important statement made by Palosi then that speaks to the fact that not 498 00:37:34,90 --> 00:37:38,20 only did you educate the public educated members of Congress we had 499 00:37:38,21 --> 00:37:42,68 a Margaret Flowers on our guest several times and she along with other activists 500 00:37:42,69 --> 00:37:47,51 were literally camped out in front of the Capitol intercepting as many members of 501 00:37:47,52 --> 00:37:50,95 Congress as the crew trying to educate them and trying to hold them accountable on 502 00:37:50,96 --> 00:37:55,61 their votes on this know what about the fact that the fight against the P.P. 503 00:37:55,91 --> 00:38:02,72 And even. The sort of process negotiations processes 504 00:38:03,05 --> 00:38:07,14 such as the trade promotion authority fight that we just had is playing out in 505 00:38:07,18 --> 00:38:10,58 other countries I mean this is a multilateral trade agreement there's 506 00:38:10,59 --> 00:38:15,97 a number of countries involved they all have to agree on it before it becomes the 507 00:38:15,98 --> 00:38:18,00 law of the land Australia is seeing 508 00:38:18,01 --> 00:38:21,44 a major fight around it right now and the Australian Press is reporting on how 509 00:38:22,06 --> 00:38:27,85 terribly secretive this particular document off the off the draft is there hope in 510 00:38:27,86 --> 00:38:32,75 international activism Well there is international activism and well already 511 00:38:33,19 --> 00:38:36,76 coordinating groups the United States are coordinating with groups and all of the 512 00:38:36,80 --> 00:38:41,71 tepee countries there's huge movements then you know New Zealand Australia as you 513 00:38:41,72 --> 00:38:46,01 mention Japan. And millions of farmers talking about how the T.P. 514 00:38:46,02 --> 00:38:51,47 Would harm their you know right livelihood and in agriculture these movements 515 00:38:51,51 --> 00:38:54,44 already are happening and it's one of the reasons that the T.V. 516 00:38:54,45 --> 00:38:58,65 Has been delayed so many years they've already missed several deadlines to conclude 517 00:38:58,66 --> 00:39:04,08 the talks so I think this is just ongoing and willing Creosote and it does again 518 00:39:04,09 --> 00:39:08,01 raise one of the questions about whether the negotiations will be able to conclude 519 00:39:08,02 --> 00:39:11,82 and if they conclude whether again the agreement will be able to pass you know this 520 00:39:11,83 --> 00:39:13,93 conversation globally around 521 00:39:13,94 --> 00:39:18,71 a trade and breaking down trade barriers and meeting corporate profits subservient 522 00:39:18,75 --> 00:39:24,48 to. Rather making domestic regulations subservient to corporate profits is coming 523 00:39:24,49 --> 00:39:25,73 at a time when there seems to be 524 00:39:25,74 --> 00:39:29,72 a global awakening on the issue of climate change and of course here 525 00:39:29,73 --> 00:39:34,16 a club is very active on this issue he's just seems bizarre that we are fighting 526 00:39:34,20 --> 00:39:38,58 over and trying to keep our government from signing an agreement that could 527 00:39:38,62 --> 00:39:44,65 undermine our ability to control and possibly stop climate change at the most 528 00:39:44,66 --> 00:39:48,40 crucial possible time in the planet's you know I should say the history of the 529 00:39:48,41 --> 00:39:53,24 species now that's exactly right it's one of the biggest reasons that the Sierra 530 00:39:53,25 --> 00:39:57,57 Club has been engaging in the fight against harmful trade agreements for the past 531 00:39:57,58 --> 00:40:01,41 two decades and why our fight has never been stronger than it is today as you say 532 00:40:01,42 --> 00:40:05,86 this is the moment where we need the most decisive action on climate change and 533 00:40:05,87 --> 00:40:10,17 these trade agreements would literally handcuff the ability of the United States 534 00:40:10,18 --> 00:40:15,78 and other governments to make the changes we need it gives broad rights to oil gas 535 00:40:15,79 --> 00:40:20,44 and coal companies at the moment where we need to be raining and pollution it 536 00:40:20,53 --> 00:40:26,61 increases and facilitates exports of fossil fuels like coal oil and gas when 537 00:40:26,62 --> 00:40:30,41 scientists and experts tell us that we need to keep the majority of fossil fuels in 538 00:40:30,42 --> 00:40:31,29 the ground so there's 539 00:40:31,30 --> 00:40:35,99 a direct contradiction between what we need to do to solve the climate crisis and 540 00:40:36,00 --> 00:40:39,67 the rules and he is free trade agreements and that's why we're fighting finally 541 00:40:39,99 --> 00:40:43,37 there's T.P. And then there's tea. T. 542 00:40:43,43 --> 00:40:49,53 IP the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership unlike T P P which is 543 00:40:50,41 --> 00:40:53,00 primarily with Pacific countries the T.T. 544 00:40:53,04 --> 00:40:54,14 IP is 545 00:40:54,15 --> 00:41:00,67 a trade agreement in process with Europe far behind P.P. 546 00:41:00,68 --> 00:41:05,07 In terms of how much has been negotiated but has the fight just in terms of 547 00:41:05,08 --> 00:41:08,62 tallying the successes against trade promotion authority as a fight against 548 00:41:08,63 --> 00:41:13,73 a tepee and fast track built momentum for T.T. Against T.T. 549 00:41:13,74 --> 00:41:14,46 IP in 550 00:41:14,47 --> 00:41:20,00 a way that could stop it in its tracks before it gets out the door. Yeah absolutely 551 00:41:20,01 --> 00:41:23,24 and there was already a you know a very strong movement against T.T. 552 00:41:23,25 --> 00:41:26,61 IP and Europe and there is increased awareness in the United States it's 553 00:41:26,62 --> 00:41:30,13 a new agreement only about two years old as compared to the transpacific 554 00:41:30,14 --> 00:41:34,14 partnership but we know that it's following in the same footsteps of NAFTA and 555 00:41:34,15 --> 00:41:39,01 a T P P and there's more information we have because there's been more leaks out of 556 00:41:39,02 --> 00:41:43,50 the European Union so I think that this movement for fair and responsible trade 557 00:41:43,51 --> 00:41:47,22 against harmful free trade agreements is going to be you know fighting the T.P.A. 558 00:41:47,23 --> 00:41:47,82 Fighting T. 559 00:41:47,83 --> 00:41:52,22 TEP and other agreements like that well I want to thank you so much for joining us 560 00:41:52,23 --> 00:41:58,53 today and helping look ahead after the several people have been very sad about this 561 00:41:58,54 --> 00:42:02,77 fast track we know for for the president on the G.O.P. 562 00:42:02,78 --> 00:42:06,86 Certainly they're still there absolutely is thank you for having me thank you so 563 00:42:06,87 --> 00:42:07,03 much 564 00:42:07,04 --> 00:42:10,99 a lot of Solomon She's the director of the responsible trade program of the Sierra 565 00:42:11,00 --> 00:42:13,23 Club this is uprising We'll be back after this break. 566 00:43:21,87 --> 00:43:24,72 Welcome back to uprising I'm so not legal Hucker 567 00:43:24,81 --> 00:43:28,59 a new report by the group Public Citizen has found that 568 00:43:28,60 --> 00:43:31,28 a teeny tiny sliver of the U.S. 569 00:43:31,29 --> 00:43:36,83 Public would benefit if the estate tax were to be repealed inequality in the U.S. 570 00:43:36,84 --> 00:43:42,25 Has reached such absurd levels that nine whole families would save more than twenty 571 00:43:42,26 --> 00:43:47,18 five billion dollars in estate taxes at the very minimum the report intitled at 572 00:43:47,19 --> 00:43:51,30 billionaires bluff finds that families have spent millions of dollars lobbying 573 00:43:51,31 --> 00:43:55,15 Congress each year to repeal the estate tax the G.O.P. 574 00:43:55,16 --> 00:43:56,75 Controlled House has already passed 575 00:43:56,76 --> 00:44:01,03 a bill repealing the tax using the justification of helping small businesses and 576 00:44:01,04 --> 00:44:05,91 farmers now independent senator and Democratic presidential candidate Bernie 577 00:44:05,92 --> 00:44:10,01 Sanders together with Representative John Chicago Skee introduced 578 00:44:10,02 --> 00:44:14,94 a new bill to close tax loopholes to enable the rich to avoid paying their fair 579 00:44:14,95 --> 00:44:19,98 share my guest is Susan Harley Deputy Director of Public Citizens Congress watch 580 00:44:19,99 --> 00:44:26,57 division welcome to uprising Susan thanks so much for joining that we are going to 581 00:44:26,58 --> 00:44:31,15 have to call you right back it sounds like we're having trouble hearing you and the 582 00:44:31,49 --> 00:44:38,09 the estate tax that that is being repealed by the House and it will certainly be 583 00:44:38,13 --> 00:44:40,15 facing the Senate as something of course of the G.O.P. 584 00:44:40,16 --> 00:44:45,66 Calls the death tax are you with us on OK we're going to call you on the phone just 585 00:44:45,67 --> 00:44:49,40 to bring you back on you can stay on video with us while we just bring you on the 586 00:44:49,41 --> 00:44:53,25 funny can just hold the phone up to your ear as we conduct the interview and of 587 00:44:53,26 --> 00:44:56,82 course the Republicans making the justification that they're helping small 588 00:44:56,83 --> 00:45:01,58 businesses and family farms by repealing the estate tax don't tell you that at 589 00:45:01,62 --> 00:45:06,01 stake is the money and lots of it of just 590 00:45:06,02 --> 00:45:11,52 a handful of American families nine those millionaires if you will who have so much 591 00:45:11,53 --> 00:45:13,74 money that they are able to just drop 592 00:45:13,75 --> 00:45:16,13 a few million to lobby Congress in order to save 593 00:45:16,35 --> 00:45:21,84 a few billion are you with us as I am thanks for joining us Well first can you 594 00:45:21,85 --> 00:45:24,74 explain the existing a state tax law this is essentially 595 00:45:24,75 --> 00:45:27,79 a tax on inheritances that the right wing like to call 596 00:45:27,80 --> 00:45:33,34 a death tax right. That's correct it was created in nineteen sixteen as 597 00:45:33,35 --> 00:45:38,07 a way to combat inequality as far as letting people have 598 00:45:38,08 --> 00:45:43,67 a fair shot of getting ahead and as it stands right now the maximum rate is forty 599 00:45:43,68 --> 00:45:48,05 percent there is an exclusion you must have more than 600 00:45:48,06 --> 00:45:54,92 a five point four three million per person or ten point six 601 00:45:54,93 --> 00:46:00,99 million for couples in order to even have the tax apply Wow So we're talking right 602 00:46:01,00 --> 00:46:06,84 out the bat millionaires who would be affected by this inheritance tax I understand 603 00:46:06,85 --> 00:46:12,28 that only point two percent of families are actually subject to it that's correct 604 00:46:12,29 --> 00:46:17,99 that's less than two percent two tenths of one percent so just 605 00:46:18,00 --> 00:46:22,29 a tiny slice of the American public and even though that such 606 00:46:22,30 --> 00:46:28,00 a small percentage of our population it would bring in over two hundred forty six 607 00:46:28,01 --> 00:46:30,61 billion in revenue over the next ten years or so 608 00:46:30,87 --> 00:46:33,01 a small number of people impacted but 609 00:46:33,02 --> 00:46:36,19 a really large impact on our national economy which is 610 00:46:36,20 --> 00:46:43,17 a statement about how terribly on equal we are and how big the wealth gap 611 00:46:43,18 --> 00:46:45,26 is right even just the twenty taxes on 612 00:46:45,27 --> 00:46:48,65 a small group of incredibly rich people translates into 613 00:46:48,66 --> 00:46:51,51 a huge windfall for the Treasury has been has been 614 00:46:51,52 --> 00:46:54,72 a favorite issue of the Republicans for years is this something that they're taking 615 00:46:54,73 --> 00:46:59,11 on now because they control both houses and if the Senate passes it won't Obama 616 00:46:59,12 --> 00:47:03,10 just veto it we hope yes they have issued 617 00:47:03,14 --> 00:47:08,67 a statement of administrative policy saying that the president's advisers would 618 00:47:08,68 --> 00:47:14,74 suggest that he veto the legislation so that's good but nonetheless you know they 619 00:47:14,75 --> 00:47:19,88 have been pushing to have repeals of the tax they were successful in repealing and 620 00:47:19,89 --> 00:47:24,53 twenty ten so we want to make sure the American public is aware of who's really 621 00:47:24,54 --> 00:47:29,93 behind the push to repeal the taxes sense so few family for. Arms or small 622 00:47:29,94 --> 00:47:36,66 businesses if any would really be impacted by any changes in the estate tax so we 623 00:47:36,67 --> 00:47:41,12 really want to make sure it's it strengthened instead of weekend or repealed so 624 00:47:41,13 --> 00:47:46,25 let's talk about I mean these these families these handful of families are century 625 00:47:46,26 --> 00:47:48,42 the new hours don't Crissy if the U.S. 626 00:47:48,43 --> 00:47:52,05 And we should know their names are far too invisible who robs the rich are they who 627 00:47:52,06 --> 00:47:59,00 already there they're well known companies so the Mars family ranks 628 00:47:59,01 --> 00:48:03,48 at the top the way that our lobby disclosure happens if 629 00:48:03,49 --> 00:48:08,26 a family has lobbied on issues in addition to the estate tax all of those numbers 630 00:48:08,27 --> 00:48:13,95 are involved together as one some but Mars exclusively lobbies on 631 00:48:13,96 --> 00:48:17,75 a state tax so we're better able to see how much that company spends and that's 632 00:48:17,99 --> 00:48:22,57 three point four seven million dollars in lobbying exclusively for the repeal of 633 00:48:22,58 --> 00:48:29,33 the estate tax sense twenty twelve also in that category of lobbying exclusively on 634 00:48:29,37 --> 00:48:35,39 repeal of the estate tax is the Wegman family that owns grocery store chains up and 635 00:48:35,40 --> 00:48:41,51 down the east coast primarily other enterprises and the families behind those 636 00:48:41,52 --> 00:48:47,67 companies are the Cox family that's me the Taylor family that Enterprise Rental 637 00:48:47,68 --> 00:48:54,51 cars the Devadasi and then they handle families that's the way Brand bass which is 638 00:48:54,55 --> 00:48:59,21 where the production sure while the well known name in the financial industry and 639 00:48:59,22 --> 00:49:05,87 then hall of the Hallmark card family these are all companies combined they 640 00:49:05,88 --> 00:49:10,72 lobbied over six point nine million and then you add the so you point five million 641 00:49:10,73 --> 00:49:14,95 of the two families that lobbied exclusively on the state taxes over ten million 642 00:49:14,96 --> 00:49:19,28 dollars in lobbying around the estate tax and other issues I mean how do the 643 00:49:19,29 --> 00:49:25,31 Republicans justified to be helping small businesses and family farms by repealing 644 00:49:25,32 --> 00:49:27,96 the estate tax money counting differently to the back just 645 00:49:27,97 --> 00:49:33,91 a different set of numbers and public. Citizen does well we have seen that some 646 00:49:33,92 --> 00:49:40,14 when journalists who got approval it's are actually on his work to expose the 647 00:49:40,15 --> 00:49:44,73 Submit he's still not able to find an instance of a family farm 648 00:49:44,74 --> 00:49:50,87 a loss to the estate tax yet over and over they are quote saying that that's 649 00:49:50,88 --> 00:49:57,61 a reason that they're strongly in favor repealing the tax but yet very 650 00:49:57,62 --> 00:50:03,71 few farms actually would go over that Scrooge an amount that would be valued 651 00:50:03,94 --> 00:50:10,82 above five point four million or ten point eight million for couples and 652 00:50:10,83 --> 00:50:17,44 so what we're seeing instead is only around six hundred sixty states had 653 00:50:17,45 --> 00:50:22,76 taxable assets that included farms in the average of those six hundred sixty were 654 00:50:22,77 --> 00:50:28,77 only two point eight million was the worth of the state and so those would an even 655 00:50:28,81 --> 00:50:33,55 the average would not even need the exclusion of be subject to the tax so I don't 656 00:50:33,56 --> 00:50:39,21 frankly know where they're getting their information I think it's either. In the 657 00:50:39,22 --> 00:50:43,12 best in error let's just say it's an error but it may be 658 00:50:43,16 --> 00:50:46,97 a misrepresentation definitely know Susan B. 659 00:50:47,01 --> 00:50:53,67 These are this is not earned income this is inheritance you know 660 00:50:53,68 --> 00:50:55,83 huge amounts of inheritance this is 661 00:50:56,39 --> 00:51:00,95 a family passing their family home down to their children these are you know this 662 00:51:00,96 --> 00:51:06,68 is disposable income that you know extremely heirs to credit families of you know 663 00:51:06,72 --> 00:51:12,82 racked up and would like to pass on to their progeny and you know exclude. 664 00:51:13,91 --> 00:51:17,92 The government's ability to tax it's really quite obscene I mean these should be 665 00:51:17,93 --> 00:51:24,89 taxed at ninety percent or more but even the forty percent tax above the limit 666 00:51:24,93 --> 00:51:29,76 is what is being fought against Let's talk about what Bernie Sanders is. Using the 667 00:51:29,80 --> 00:51:34,04 responsible Estate Tax Act What does specifically this 668 00:51:34,08 --> 00:51:40,97 a Tax Act do and does it have any chance of passing Well it probably 669 00:51:40,98 --> 00:51:46,85 doesn't ask this point in time but I think that you know if Americans come together 670 00:51:46,86 --> 00:51:52,69 and call for changes anything is possible we've seen that time and time again but 671 00:51:52,70 --> 00:51:58,54 the bill sixteen seventy seven in the Senate and H two nine zero seven introduced 672 00:51:58,55 --> 00:51:59,28 by represent 673 00:51:59,29 --> 00:52:03,68 a Chicago city from Illinois in the house it doesn't number of things to close 674 00:52:03,69 --> 00:52:10,34 loopholes and then it also reduces that exclusion so it moves that down to three 675 00:52:10,35 --> 00:52:16,20 point five million for individual or seven million for couples that's down to the 676 00:52:16,21 --> 00:52:20,99 two thousand and nine levels so you know further work to be done there but as far 677 00:52:21,00 --> 00:52:26,81 as reducing that so more taxes more states would be subject to the tax that's very 678 00:52:26,82 --> 00:52:32,33 important and then the second thing it does it makes the tax more progressive so it 679 00:52:32,37 --> 00:52:39,04 increases the first rate which taxes above that exclusion would be 680 00:52:39,05 --> 00:52:43,92 subject and it would increase is it to forty five percent it goes up from there 681 00:52:43,93 --> 00:52:48,06 from forty five to fifty percent to fifty five percent and then there's an 682 00:52:48,07 --> 00:52:51,34 additional ten percent surcharge on 683 00:52:51,35 --> 00:52:58,26 a five hundred million plus level estates up to one billion per couple So it's 684 00:52:58,27 --> 00:53:04,01 really nicknamed the billionaire surcharge so. Increasing the progressivity of the 685 00:53:04,02 --> 00:53:09,91 tax making more states be subject to the tax and then it closes some loopholes 686 00:53:10,16 --> 00:53:10,88 right now there's 687 00:53:10,89 --> 00:53:17,21 a lot of abuse of trust via various different names as well as what's called 688 00:53:17,22 --> 00:53:24,12 a generation skipping tax strengthening that and making it apply to trusts that are 689 00:53:24,97 --> 00:53:25,35 have 690 00:53:25,36 --> 00:53:30,75 a lifetime of more than fifty plus years so really kind of. Call the in those reports 691 00:53:30,76 --> 00:53:36,12 especially around the trust that have been you know. Kind of make money and not be 692 00:53:36,85 --> 00:53:37,46 part of 693 00:53:37,47 --> 00:53:44,07 a day and therefore not tax and Susan this is an issue that ought to really become 694 00:53:44,08 --> 00:53:48,72 a major issue I'm trying to extent has become in the coming presidential election 695 00:53:48,73 --> 00:53:53,89 this extremely long arc of the election where people are you know socially going to 696 00:53:53,90 --> 00:53:55,68 be campaigning for 697 00:53:55,69 --> 00:54:00,70 a couple years but Bernie Sanders has made it an issue Hillary Clinton has tried to 698 00:54:00,71 --> 00:54:04,05 make it an issue it's really hard of course for her to avoid the shadow that her 699 00:54:04,09 --> 00:54:10,25 husband's. Legacy has had on worsening the wealth gap in the country 700 00:54:11,17 --> 00:54:15,88 and that seems to be about it the twenty or so Republican counter those that have 701 00:54:16,14 --> 00:54:21,52 thrown their hat into the ring their constituency are those nine families right I 702 00:54:21,53 --> 00:54:27,91 mean and that's so huge part of what needs to change just in the long term. I would 703 00:54:27,92 --> 00:54:33,57 completely agree but no matter what we are seeing that the American public strongly 704 00:54:33,58 --> 00:54:36,87 feels that the wealthy are not paying their fair share 705 00:54:37,15 --> 00:54:42,48 a recent survey found that seventy nine percent of Americans who respond to the 706 00:54:42,49 --> 00:54:49,34 survey felt that the wealthy could pay more and so I think that public sentiment 707 00:54:49,38 --> 00:54:55,00 is definitely going to push this in the debates whether or not all candidates can 708 00:54:55,01 --> 00:55:01,49 ascribe to this for you given their campaign that financing I I would not 709 00:55:01,50 --> 00:55:06,05 necessarily think that would be the case but I think the more the public gets 710 00:55:06,06 --> 00:55:12,56 engaged in this fight the more people push back to this inadvisable push to repeal 711 00:55:12,57 --> 00:55:17,74 the tax will definitely see some movement on this and at least we can stop these 712 00:55:17,75 --> 00:55:22,96 types of attacks in coming years and certainly I'm glad you brought up the issue of 713 00:55:22,97 --> 00:55:24,75 campaign financing because that is 714 00:55:24,76 --> 00:55:31,52 a huge piece and why be why politicians can continue to kowtow to the 715 00:55:31,53 --> 00:55:35,30 obscenely rich I want to ask you all to find me where people can get ahold of 716 00:55:35,31 --> 00:55:40,72 billionaires bluff the report that Public Citizen put out and what would your goal 717 00:55:40,73 --> 00:55:45,80 is what is public citizens goal. In keeping be 718 00:55:45,84 --> 00:55:52,60 a state tax intact and going on the offensive with Sanders's act. Yes 719 00:55:52,61 --> 00:55:59,19 definitely Well this report as well as other reports and our work around 720 00:55:59,20 --> 00:56:05,26 taxation and other elements of consumer protection can be found at W W W That said 721 00:56:05,27 --> 00:56:11,38 this and that work and our goal is really been what it's been since we were founded 722 00:56:11,39 --> 00:56:14,99 in one thousand nine hundred eighty one by Ralph Nader and that is just to expose 723 00:56:15,40 --> 00:56:21,86 how there is corruption in our system exposed that those who have the most are 724 00:56:21,87 --> 00:56:28,33 trying to keep that hoard hoard the wealth and make sure that other people don't 725 00:56:28,34 --> 00:56:28,63 have 726 00:56:28,64 --> 00:56:33,58 a fair shot and so we believe in the American dream we believe that everyone should 727 00:56:33,59 --> 00:56:38,39 have an ability to make it in the world and that's not going to happen as just 728 00:56:38,40 --> 00:56:44,17 a handful of companies keep the families behind those companies keep the vast 729 00:56:44,18 --> 00:56:48,08 majority of the wealth and so we want to just make sure that people understand 730 00:56:48,43 --> 00:56:51,89 what's what's really true in that they understand that this is 731 00:56:51,93 --> 00:56:56,03 a billionaire families pushing the effort to repeal and that citizen don't 732 00:56:56,09 --> 00:56:57,59 largemouth post a link to 733 00:56:57,60 --> 00:57:01,32 a president with one of the dot com later today thanks so much Susan wonderful 734 00:57:01,33 --> 00:57:05,31 thank you so much for having me my guest who's an Harley is deputy director with 735 00:57:05,32 --> 00:57:09,63 public citizens Congress watch division and that does it for our program today this 736 00:57:09,64 --> 00:57:10,97 is uprising and 737 00:57:10,98 --> 00:57:14,31 a bus is our assistant producer not technical director Christian Beck is our 738 00:57:14,32 --> 00:57:18,22 production coordinator Yana Turner is our visual editor and what do you engineers 739 00:57:18,23 --> 00:57:22,10 with help from Fredricka Garcia special thanks to John is an honest answer for 740 00:57:22,11 --> 00:57:26,89 technical assistance any Mendoza's or social media coordinator support or You Tube 741 00:57:26,90 --> 00:57:31,06 channel at youtube dot com josh uprising with tonality your subscription to seize 742 00:57:31,07 --> 00:57:31,42 the T.V. 743 00:57:31,43 --> 00:57:35,48 Production of our writing and our website is uprising with Sonali dot com The music 744 00:57:35,49 --> 00:57:35,78 is like 745 00:57:35,79 --> 00:57:39,77 a song on our legal hunt for host and executive producer of uprising you know. 746 00:58:15,72 --> 00:58:19,06 Hi this is Brad Friedman your friendly investigative blogger journalist 747 00:58:19,07 --> 00:58:24,10 troublemaker muckraker and all around swell fellow from Brad Blog dot com Join me 748 00:58:24,11 --> 00:58:29,29 for the Brad cast now not only on Wednesdays at three pm but every weekday via the 749 00:58:29,30 --> 00:58:34,53 archives at K P F K dot org It's just like the weekly show but now you get more of 750 00:58:34,54 --> 00:58:39,51 it and more daily do I and whatever every day of the week that's one hour of 751 00:58:39,52 --> 00:58:43,79 troublemaking and muckraking ripped from the headlines the pages of Brad Blog dot 752 00:58:43,80 --> 00:58:49,45 com And yes sometimes from the dark recesses of my mind investigative interviews 753 00:58:49,46 --> 00:58:54,07 with newsmakers calling out the liars frauds and phoneys and even giving kudos to 754 00:58:54,08 --> 00:59:00,32 the good guys if and when we can find any Join me and Desi for the bread cast on 755 00:59:00,33 --> 00:59:06,41 air on K P F K Wednesdays at three pm and every weekday in the archives at K P F K 756 00:59:06,62 --> 00:59:07,26 dot org. 757 00:59:14,05 --> 00:59:18,46 This is Pacifica Radio K P A K ninety point seven F.M. 758 00:59:18,55 --> 00:59:21,12 Los Angeles ninety eight point seven F.M. 759 00:59:21,39 --> 00:59:28,13 Santa Barbara. 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