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CACTA WENDY LITTLEFIELD IS

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REPRESENTING JIM KOPPEL

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COMMUNITY ANTI-DRUG

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COALITIONS OF AMERICA.

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JACK, WHO IS THE EXECUTIVE

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LUCILLE FLEMING OF THE

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NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF

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STATE ALCOHOL AND DRUG ABUSE

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DIRECTORS IS HERE.

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AND FINALLY KEVIN WHO IS

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REPRESENTING COLUMBIA

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UNIVERSITY'S CENTER OF

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ABUSE,

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WHO'S DIRECTOR JOE HAS BEEN

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AN ENORMOUS HELP TO US IN

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THIS WHOLE PAST EIGHT

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WHAT WE WILL DO TODAY, THE

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ATTORNEY GENERAL, SECRETARY

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SHALALA AND I IS TRY TO LAY

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THE PRODUCT OF

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MONTHS OF VERY INTENSE WORK

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WHICH REPRESENTS THE THIGS

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OF THE ENTIRE GOVERNMENT,

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THE DEPARTMENT OF TREASURY

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BOB RUBIN ANTICIPATED --

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DEFENSE, JUSTICE, LABOR

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THE DRUG MOST ADMINISTRATION

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THE FBI AND OTHERS THE

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REGULORY

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COMMISSION.

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OTHERS ARE ALSO INVOLVED

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WILL HAVE SUPPORTING

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PROGRAMS.
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ADMINISTRATION AS MANY OF

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YOU KNOW HAS PROBABLY THE

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BIGGEST DRUG TREATMENT

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PROGRAM IN THE FEDERAL

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GOVERNMENT THEY WILL BE

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SUPPORTING WITH THEIR

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TO,  YOU

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WILL ALLOW ME, COVER A

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COUPLE OF CHARTS TO OUTLINE

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OUR THINKING.

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LET ME BEGIN BY TELLING YOU

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WHAT OUR PURPOSE IS.

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OUR PURPOSE WAS TO

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COMMUNICATE AN

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ADMINISTRATION STRATEGY
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BELIEF THAT MOST PARENTS

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COMMUNITY COALITIONS, LAW

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COACHES, BELIEVE THAT DRUG

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ADOLESCENTS IN CHILDREN

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WE GO INTO THIS PROPOSITION

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PRETTY UPBEAT ABOUT WHAT WE

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BUT THERE ARE REALLY FOUR

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THINGS THAT ARE SEVEN PAGE

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WILL OUTLINE FOR

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TO SEND A CLEAR MESSAGE TO

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ALL FEDERAL EMPLOYEES, TO

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ALL FEDERAL CONTRACTORS, TO

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ALL ORGANIZATIONS RECEIVING

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FEDERAL FUNDS, AND TO ALL

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PUBLIC, THAT SCHEDULE ONE

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OUTLINE OF THE

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ADMINISTRATION PROPOSAL.

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MAY COME OUT OF ALL OF THIS

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REQUIREMENT TO EXPLAIN TO

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YOUNG PEOPLE TO THIS NEW

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GENERATION, AND INDEED TO

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THE PARENTS WHO ARE CARING

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THAT DANGEROUS DRUG

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ABUSE IN AMERICA.

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AMERICA TO UNDERSCORE THE

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DANGERS IMPLICIT IN SCHEDULE

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ONE DRUGS.

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AS A PUBLIC TRUST TO ENSURE

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THAT SAFE AND EFFECTIVE

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MEDICINES ARE PROVIDED TO

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THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

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RESPONSIBILITY IT HAS BEEN

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DONE BY THE NATIONAL

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AMERICAN PEOPLE.

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SCIENTIFIC MEDICAL PROCESS.

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ATTORNEY GENERAL DEAL WITH

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THIS, WE WOULD UNDERSCORE

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THAT FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT

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YOU THAT WE DO HAVE A

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NATIONAL DRUG STRATEGY.

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IT'S UP HERE WE CLEARLY

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LEAD PRIORITY GOAL NUMBER

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DRUGS AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE.

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PORTFOLIO THE 1988 LAW THAT

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OUTLINES WHAT NATIONAL DRUG

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FOCUSES ON ILLEGAL DRUGS AND

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TOBACCO FOR THOSE UNDER THE

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SCHEDULE ONE DRUGS, AND THEN

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ABUSE AND TOBACCO USE.

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PROBLEMS OF CRIME AND

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VIOLENCE AND THE SOCIAL

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TO ADDRESS.

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THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THIS IS

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NOT A HOPELESS CAUSE.

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PARENTS AND EDUCATORS, AND

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NEW GENERATION THAT IT WORKS,

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PROBLEM.
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CORRELATION BETWEEN THE

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DRUG TESTING PROCESS.

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PRESERVE FEDERAL DRUG FREE

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WORKPLACE AND SAFETY

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PROGRAMS SWREMPT REVIEWED

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THE LAWS THAT DEAL WITH

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THESE PROGRAMS.

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THEY ARE ESSENTIAL WE KNOW

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THAT DRUG ABUSE THREE OUT OF

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FOUR DRUG ABUSERS ARE

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ACCIDENT RATES, LITIGATION,

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ABSENTEEISM INEFFECTIVENESS,

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FINALLY PROBABLY MOST

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IMPORTANTLY PROTECT CHILDREN

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QUASI-LEGALIZATION OF SMALL

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THIS IS THE LEGALIZATION OF

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DRUGS THAT WE ARE CONCERNED

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ABOUT.

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HERE'S WHAT THE MEDICAL

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ADVISER IN THE STATE OF

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POTENTIAL USES OF MARIJUANA.

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AND IT INCLUDES: RECALLING

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FOR FORGOTTEN MEMORIES.

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COUGH SUPPRESS NOT A,

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WRITER'S CRAMP.

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IT SIMPLDOES NOT INCLUDE A

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DOCTOR'S DIAGNOSIS, A

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MEDICAL PRESCRIPTION, THIS

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IS NOT MEDICINE THIS IS A

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CHEECH AND CHONG SHOW.

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NOW WHAT WE ARE COMMITTED TO

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SCIENTIFIC WAY AT ANY

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PROPOSITION THAT WOULD BRING
A NEW MEDICINE TO THE

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ASSISTANCE OF THE AMERICAN

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MEDICAL ESTABLISHMENT.

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NEXT GRAPH.

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OKAY, THAT REALLY COMPLETES

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WHAT I WANTED TO LAY OUT FOR

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YOUR CONSIDERATION.

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WOULD BE FOLLOWED BY

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SECRETARY SHALALA THEN THE

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ATTORNEY GENERAL.

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>> WHY ARE WEERE?

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WE OBVIOUSLY BELIEVE THAT WE

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BECAUSE OF WHAT GENERAL

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McCAFFREY SAID THAT DRUG USE

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AMONG TEENAGERS IS CLIMBING.

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THE CORE OF THE PROBLEM

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AMONG TEENAGERS IS MARIJUANA

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USE.

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AND AS THE GENERAL POINTED

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OUT THE PAST USE OF PAST

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YOUNG EIGHTH GRADERS IS UP

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EVEN MORE DISTURBING ONE IN

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FIVE OF TENTH GRADERS IN

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THIS COUNTRY HAVE USED

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MARIJUANA IN THE PAST MONTH.

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WE HAVE A PROBLEM.

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INCREASING NUMBERS OF

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AMERICANS BELIEVE THAT

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IN CALIFORNIA, AND IN

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ARIZONA VOTERS SENT VERY

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CONFUSING MESSAGES TO THE

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TEENAGERS IN THOSE STATES.

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AND TO YOUNG PEOPLE ALL

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ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

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LET ME MAKE IT VERY CLEAR.

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THIS ADMINISTRATION IS

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OF MARIJUANA.

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ALL AVAILABLE RESEARCH HAS

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CONCLUDED THAT MARIJUANA IS

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DANGEROUS TO OUR HEALTH.

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MARIJUANA HARMS THE BRAIN,

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THE HEART, THE LUNGS, AND

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OUR IMMUNE SYSTEM.

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LIMITS LEARNING

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AND MEMORY PERCEPTION AND

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JUDGMENT, AND OUR ABILITY TO

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DRIVE A CAR.

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AND MARIJUANA SMOKE

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TYPICALLY CONTAINS OVER 400

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COMPOUNDS.

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SOME OF WHICH ARE

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CARCINOGENIC.

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OF

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HEALTH WILL CONTINUE TO

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REVIEW THE CLAIMS ABOUT THE

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POSSIBLE BENEFIT OF SMOKED

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MARIJUANA FOR A SMALL NUMBER

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OF INDICATIONS.

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IN OTHER WORDS, WE WILL

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CONTINUE TO REVIEW THE

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SMALL

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NUMBER OF INDICATIONS, SUCH

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AS CHEMOTHERAPY, INDUCED

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NAUSEA OR HIV-RELATED

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WASTING SYNDROME.

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LET ME BE VERY CLEAR.

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ANY RESEARCH THAT WE SUPPORT

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AT THE NATIONAL INSTITUTES

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RESEARCH AGENCY OF THE

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FEDERAL GOVERENT MUST BE

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PEER REVIEWED AND MUST BE

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SCIENTIFICALLY VALID, AND IT

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MUST BE DESIGNED TO ANSWER

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THE QUESTIONS THAT

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PHYSICIANS AND THEIR

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PATIENTS ARE ASKING ABOUT

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POSSIBLE, THE POSSIBLE

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USEFULNESS OF SMOKED

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MARIJUANA.

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IN THE LIMITED CIRCUMSTANCES

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WHERE AVAILLE MEDICATIONS

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HAVE FAILED TO PROVIDE

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RELIEF FOR INDIVIDUAL

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PATIENTS.
SO LET ME MAKE IT VERY

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REVIEW

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RESEARCH IN THOSE AREAS

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WHERE PEOPLE HAVE SUGGESTED

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THAT THERE MAY BE SOME

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MEDICAL USE, BUT IT WILL BE

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UNDER VERY LIMITED

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CIRCUMSTANCES AND WHERE

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FAILED TO PROVIDE RELIEF TO

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INDIVIDUAL PATIENTS.

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AS THE GENERAL INDICATED,

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WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH

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HEALTH PROFESSIONALS IN
CALIFORNIA AND IN ARIZONA,

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PARTICULARLY THROUGH THEIR

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PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATIONS.

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WE WILL PROVIDE THOSE

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THAT WORK WITH THE DOCTORS

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VERY CLEAR INFORMATION ON

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WHAT RESEARCH IS AVAILABLE

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AND ABOUT FUTURE RESEARCH.

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AND ON THE POSSIBLE

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PROFESSIONAL LIABILITY TO

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HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONALS

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OUR HEALTH CARE

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PROFESSIONALS NEED TO

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UNDERSTAND THAT FEDERAL LAW

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HAS NOT CHANGED, THAT IT

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CONTINUES TO BE IMLEGAL --

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ILLEGAL IN THE UNITED STATES

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TO PRESCRIBE MARIJUANA.

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WE HAVE THE FINEST MEDICAL

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TRAINED

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AND THE MOST DEDICATED

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PHYSICIANS, NURSES AND

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HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONALS IN

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THE WORLD.

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WE MUST SUPPORT THEM.

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WE MUST SUPPORT THEIR

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EXTRAORDINARY RESEARCH

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PROTOCOLS AND THE

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THE

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FDA.
THOSE INSTITUTIONS HAVE

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PROTECTION -- PROTECTED OUR

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HEALTH IN THIS COUNTRY.

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THEY ARE THE INSTITUTIONS

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AND THE RESEARCH FACILITIES

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THAT AMERICAN PHYSICIANS

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RELY ON TO STRENGTHEN THEIR

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THEIR

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PATIENTS.
WE HAVE TO PROTECT OUR

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CHILDREN.
WE HAVE TO PROTECT THE

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INTEGRITY OF A

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SCIENTIFICALLY-BASED REVIEW

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PROCESS IN THE UNITED STATES

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TO COME TO CONCLUSIONS TO

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HELP PATIENTS.

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>> EVER SINCE BECOMING A

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PROSECUTOR IN MIAMI IN 1978,

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ONE OF MY HIGHEST PRIORITIES

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HAS BEEN TO DO EVERYTHING I

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COULD TO REDUCE DRUG ABUSE

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IN MY COMMUNITY AND NOW

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WHILE OVERALL DRUG ABUSE HAS

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FALLEN IN THESE LAST YEARS,

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WE STILL HAVE SO MUCH TO DO

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TO REVERSE THE TREND OF

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INCREASED DRUG USE ON THE

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PART OF OUR YOUTH.

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WE ALL MUST WORK TOGETHER --

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RENTS, THE CLERGY,

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CARE

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PROFESSIONALS, LAW

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ENFORCEMENT, EVERYONE MUST

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WORK TOGETHER TO GET OUT THE

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MESSAGE THAT DRUG ABUSE IS A

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DANGEROUS ROAD TO NOWHERE.

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THE TWO INITIATIVES THAT

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PASSED LAST MONTH IN ARIZONA

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WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT

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MARIJUANA REMAINS A

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DANGEROUS DRUG, AND THAT'S

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THE REASON THIS

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ADMINISTRATION IS OPPOSED TO

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THE LEGALIZATION OF

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MARIJUANA AND IICIT --

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ILLICIT DRUGS.

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THERE IS, AS SECRETARY

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SHALALA HAS POINTED OUT, AN

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ESTABLISHED, ARE AGRICULTURE

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LAR PROCESS INVOLVING EXPERT

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MEDICAL REVIEW TO DETERMINE

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WHETHER DRUGS HAVE MEDICAL

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VALUE AND CAN BE USED.

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THE TWO INITIATIVES IN

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CALIFORNIA

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ATTEMPT TO SIDE STEP THAT

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VERY IMPORTANT SCIENTIFIC

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AND MEDICAL PROCESS.

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DESPITE THESE INITIATIVES,

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WE WANT TO MAKE CLEARER THAT

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FEDERAL LAW STILL APPLIES,

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AND FEDERAL OFFICIALS WILL

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IT HAS ALWAYS DOES ON A CASE

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BY CASE BASIS.

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U.S. ATTORNEYS IN BOTH

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STATES WILL CONTINUE TO

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REVIEW CASES FOR PROSECUTION

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AND DEA OFFICIALS WILL

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REVIEW CASES AS THEY HAVE TO

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ANY

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PHYSICIAN WHO REMDS OR

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PRESCRIBES SO-CALLED

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SCHEDULE ONE CONTROLLED

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SUBSTANCES.

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WE WILL NOT TURN A BLIND EYE

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TOWARD OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO

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ENFORCE FEDERAL LAW.

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AND TO PRESERVE THE

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SCIENTIFIC PROCESS TO

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DETERMINE IF DRUGS HAVE

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MEDICAL VALUE BEFORE

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ALLOWING THEM TO BE USED.

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>> OKAY.
AND ON THAT NOTE, WE'D BE

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GLAD TO RESPOND TO YOUR

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QUESTIONS.

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PLEASE.
>> GENERAL McCAFFREY DO YOU

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THINK THE VOTERS IN

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CALIFORNIA AND ARIZONA MADE

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WERE THEY --

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[INAUDIBLE]

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TO DISAGREE THIS.

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>> I THINK ALL OF US HAVE

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ENORMOUS FAITH IN THE

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AMERICAN PEOPLE.
IF THEY HAVE THE FACTS, THEY

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MAKE GOOD JUDGMENTS.

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IN THIS CASE I THINK PART OF

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THE PROBLEM WAS THAT WE'VE

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CALLED THESE HOAX

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INITIATIVES THAT YOU SIMPLY

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00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,000
COULDN'T AS AN INTELLIGENT

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PERSON READ THE BALLOT

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INITIATIVE IN ARIZONA IN

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PARTICULAR, BUT NEITHER

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STATE AND GET THE NOTION

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THAT WITH YOU WEREN'T

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00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:28,000
TALKING ABOUT COMPASSIONATE

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CARE OF THE TERMINALLY ILL.

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CRAMP AND THE QAUZY-LEGALIZATION

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OF DRUGS.

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NOW HAVING SAID THAT, I

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REALLY DON'T HAVE STANDING

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TO DISCUSS THE STATE

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SITUATION, BUT ONLY THE

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FEDERAL SITUATION.

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SO THE SEVEN PAGES THAT

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APPROVED BY

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THE PRESIDENT AND WORKED ON

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IN CONSULTATION WITH

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PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATIONS

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00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,000
AND STATE AUTHORITIES WE

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THINK MAKE A PRUDENT,

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00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:02,000
COHERENT CASE FOR FEDERAL

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00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,000
LAW AND FOR OUR

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00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:05,000
RESPONSIBILITIES.

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ENVISION

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SOME FEDERAL CRACKDOWN OF

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PHYSICIANS AND OTHERS, ANY

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00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:13,000
OTHER PROFESSIONALS THAT

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00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,000
MIGHT TRY TO PRACTICE EVEN A

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00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,000
SWEEPDOWN AND CHECK OUT THE

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DOCTORS' OFFICES, BIG RAIDS?

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>> LET ME BEGIN BY SAYING

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BECAUSE I THINK THE

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SHALALA AND I IN PARTICULAR

545
00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,000
AND ME AS A PERSON WHO SPENT

546
00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:28,000
THE BETTER PART OF TWO YEARS

547
00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,000
OF MY LIFE IN AND OUT OF

548
00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:32,000
HOSPITALS OF THIS COUNTRY WE

549
00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:33,000
THINK WE HAVE THE BEST

550
00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:34,000
MEDICAL ESTABLISHMENT IN THE

551
00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:35,000
WORLD.

552
00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,000
WE SIMPLY HAVE FUNDAMENTAL

553
00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,000
FAITH IN THE GOOD JUDGMENT

554
00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:40,000
THE AMERICAN PHYSICIANS

555
00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:41,000
AND NURSES.

556
00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,000
SO HAVING SAID THAT, THE NIH,

557
00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:45,000
THESE BRILLIANT MEN AND

558
00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:46,000
WOMEN OF THE NATIONAL

559
00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:47,000
INSTITUTES OF HEALTH ARE

560
00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,000
OPEN TO EXAMINING CLAIMS FOR

561
00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:50,000
ANY DRUG, INCLUDING THIS

562
00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:51,000
ONE.

563
00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,000
BUT WE REALLY DON'T BELIEVE

564
00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:57,000
THERE'S GOING TO BE A

565
00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:58,000
SECRETARY SHALALA MAY WISH

566
00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:59,000
TO ADD TO THAT.

567
00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:00,000
>> DOCTORS ARE NATURALLY

568
00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:01,000
VERY CAUTIOUS.

569
00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:02,000
WHAT THE PHYSICIANS IN THIS

570
00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:03,000
COUNTRY WANTED TO KNOW FROM

571
00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:04,000
US IS LOOK.

572
00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:05,000
WE'VE GOT A STATE LAW IN OUR

573
00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,000
BOOKS IN CALIFORNIA AND

574
00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:08,000
ARIZONA AND THERE'S A
FEDERAL LAW.

575
00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:09,000
WHAT'S THE LAW?

576
00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,000
AND THE LAW IS THAT

577
00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,000
MARIJUANA AND ARE THESE

578
00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:15,000
ILLEGAL.
THAT'S WHAT THEY NEED TO

579
00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:16,000
KNOW.

580
00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,000
BUT THIS ISN'T ABOUT

581
00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,000
PHYSICIANS.
THIS IS ABOUT TRUCK DRIVERS.

582
00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,000
IT'S ABOUT WORKERS IN

583
00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,000
FEDERAL BUILDINGS.

584
00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,000
IT'S ABOUT TEACHERS.

585
00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,000
IT'S ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT

586
00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,000
EVERYONE IN THIS COUNTRY

587
00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,000
STATE REFERENDUM WAS THAT

588
00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,000
MARIJUANA HAS NOT BEEN

589
00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,000
LEGALIZED, NOR HAVE ANY OF

590
00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,000
THE OTHER DRUGS THAT WERE

591
00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:40,000
LISTED FOR EXAMPLE IN THE

592
00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,000
ARIZONA REFERENDUM.

593
00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:47,000
>> GENERAL McCAFFREY, --

594
00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:51,000
>> SMOKED MARIJUANA --

595
00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,000
[INAUDIBLE]

596
00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:54,000
I NEED TO KNOW IF --

597
00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,000
[INAUDIBLE]

598
00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,000
>> WELL, LET ME JUST SAY ONE

599
00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,000
OF THE REASONS I SAY THAT IS

600
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,000
FROM CONSULTATIONS WITH

601
00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,000
MONTHS.
IN THE 1990s AMERICAN

602
00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:07,000
MEDICINE IS GOING TO SINGLE

603
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,000
COMPOUND TO TARGETING

604
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,000
THERAPEUTIC AGENTS ON

605
00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:12,000
PROBLEMS.

606
00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,000
SO THC, THIS SYNTHETIC THC,

607
00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,000
WHICH IS ONE OF THE

608
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,000
PRINCIPAL ACTIVE INGREEDS

609
00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,000
IN SMOKED MARIJUANA IS

610
00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:23,000
AVAILABLE IN PRESCRIPTION

611
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,000
FORM FROM YOUR DOCTOR RIGHT

612
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:27,000
NOW AND HAS BEEN FOR 10

613
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,000
YEARS.
THERE MAY WELL BE THAT OTHER

614
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,000
COMPOUNDS AS SECRETARY

615
00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:35,000
SHALALA MENTIONED OF THE 400

616
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:39,000
MAYOR WALK A-- MARIJUANA

617
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:40,000
POSSIBLY COULD BE FOUND TO

618
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:41,000
HAVE SOME BENEFIT.

619
00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,000
BUT AGAIN I WOULD SUGGEST

620
00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,000
THAT'S A MEDICAL SCIENTIFIC

621
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,000
QUESTION NOT REALLY A POLICY

622
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:47,000
QUESTION.

623
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,000
>> YEAH, LET ME ANSWER THAT

624
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:53,000
QUESTION BY SAYING THAT BOTH

625
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,000
RELY ON THE NATIONAL
INSTITUTES OF HEALTH AND THE

626
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,000
FDA FOR OUR SCIENTIFIC

627
00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:02,000
INFORMATION IN THAT ALAN

628
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,000
LECHNER IS HERE AND WE DO

629
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,000
REVIEW THE RESEARCH AS IT'S

630
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:09,000
GOING ON AND LET ME HAVE

631
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,000
FROM A SCIENTIFIC POINT OF

632
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:12,000
VIEW.
>> LET ME BE CLEAR THERE IS

633
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,000
NOT AN EXISTING BODY OF

634
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,000
SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE TO

635
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:17,000
SUGGEST THAT SMOKED

636
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,000
MARIJUANA IS A VIABLE

637
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,000
EFFECTIVE MEDICATION.
THERE ARE A WIDE VARIETY OF

638
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,000
MEDICATIONS NOW AVAILABLE

639
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,000
INDICATIONS, AND THERE IS

640
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,000
NOT AND I REPEAT, THERE IS

641
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,000
NOT A BODY OF SCIENTIFIC

642
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,000
EVIDENCE THAT SUPPORTS THESE

643
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,000
INITIATIVES OR THE MEDICAL

644
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:37,000
USE OF SMORKD MARIJUANA.

645
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,000
-- SMOKED MARIJUANA.

646
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,000
>> WHAT DOES THAT MEAN THE

647
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,000
DOES THAT MEAN SOME THIS.

648
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:45,000
>> THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW

649
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:46,000
STUDIES OVER THE COURSE OF

650
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:47,000
THE LAST 20 YEARS.

651
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,000
THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY

652
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,000
GAVE UP THE STUDY OF

653
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,000
MARIJUANA AS A POTENTIAL

654
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,000
MEDICATION IN THE 1980s.

655
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,000
WE AT NIH RECEIVED ONLY ONE

656
00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:01,000
YEARS TO EXAMINE SMOKED

657
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,000
MARIJUANA AS A POTENTIAL

658
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,000
MEDICATION AND THAT FAILED

659
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,000
PEER REVIEW.

660
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,000
SO THERE IS NOT A BODY OF

661
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,000
EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST THIS IS

662
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,000
A VIABLE MEDICATION.

663
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:12,000
>> OKAY.
RIGHT HERE.

664
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:13,000
>> GENERAL McCAFFREY YOU

665
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,000
IN

666
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,000
ARIZONA AND CALIFORNIA

667
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,000
MAKING --

668
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:24,000
[INAUDIBLE]
AS TO THE PAST 65 TO 35 --

669
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,000
QUITE A SUBSTANTIAL MARGIN.

670
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,000
>> AGAIN LET ME REITERATE.

671
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,000
I HAVE ABSOLUTE TRUCHT IN

672
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,000
THE AMERICAN

673
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:32,000
PEOPLE AS DOES THE REST OF

674
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,000
THE THIS GOVERNMENT.

675
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,000
WE DON'T THINK THERE WAS AN

676
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,000
ADEQUATE CASE MADE IN THIS

677
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,000
PROPOSITION AND I REFER YOUR

678
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,000
ATTENTION TO THE BALLOT

679
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:42,000
INITIATIVE AS IT WAS WORDED

680
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,000
TLXTED WAS TWO MILLION

681
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,000
DOLLARS WORTH OUTSIDE OF

682
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:49,000
CALIFORNIA MONEY BY FIVE
THAT ARGUABLY PUSHED

683
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,000
THIS THROUGH.

684
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,000
BUT AGAIN, OUR RESPONSE

685
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,000
TODAY IS FOR FEDERAL

686
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,000
RESPONSIBILITIES, NOT TO

687
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,000
ARGUE THE CASE OOT STATE

688
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,000
LEVEL.

689
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,000
SO IT'S SCHOOL BUS DRIVERS.

690
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,000
PILOTS.

691
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:05,000
IT'S LAW ENFORCEMENT

692
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:06,000
OFFICIALS.

693
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,000
IT'S NATIONAL GUARD

694
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,000
SERGEANTS.

695
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,000
IT'S SAFE AND DRUG-FREE

696
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,000
SCHOOL MONEY.

697
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,000
THAT'S WHAT THIS POLICY

698
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,000
ALTERNATIVE TALKS TO.

699
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,000
>> GENERAL, YOU'RE BASICALLY

700
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,000
SAYING NO MATTER WHAT THE

701
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,000
PEOPLE OF ARIZONA AND

702
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,000
PREVAILED HERE AND CONTINUES

703
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,000
TO PREVAIL, IS THAT IT?

704
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,000
>> CLEARLY, THE ONLY THING

705
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:30,000
THAT'S NOT UNDER DEBATE IS

706
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,000
WHETHER FEDERAL LAW IS STILL

707
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,000
OPERATIVE.

708
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,000
IT'S UNAFFECTED BY THESE

709
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,000
PROPOSALS.

710
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,000
THREE THINGS: NUMBER ONE,

711
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,000
FEDERAL LAW HASN'T CHANGED;

712
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,000
TWO NUMBER, WE'RE CONTINUING

713
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,000
TO REVIEW RESEARCH IN THE

714
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,000
AREA OF THE MEDICAL USES;

715
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,000
AND NUMBER THREE, WE'RE

716
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,000
DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE

717
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,000
MESSAGES TO AMERICAN

718
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,000
INITIATIVES SENT, AND WE'RE

719
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,000
ENERGIZING OUR OWN EFFORTS,

720
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,000
PARTICULARLY RELATED TO

721
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,000
MARIJUANA TO MAKE IT CLEAR

722
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,000
TO YOUNG PEOPLE THAT

723
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,000
MARIJUANA IS DANGEROUS.

724
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,000
IT'S ILLEGAL, AND IT'S

725
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,000
WRONG.
>> SO I'M NOT CLEAR.

726
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,000
LAW STANDS

727
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,000
DESPITE THE USE OF MARIJUANA

728
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,000
IS ILLEGAL AREN'T THESE TWO

729
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:19,000
PROPOSITIONS MAKING THE -- A

730
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,000
MOOT POINT?

731
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,000
WHY GO THROUGH ALL TV IF.

732
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,000
[INAUDIBLE]
>> I THINK THAT'S A LEGAL

733
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,000
>> STATE AND LOCAL LAW

734
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,000
ENFORCEMENT HAS ALWAYS BEEN

735
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,000
ON THE FRONT LINE IN THE

736
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,000
FIGHT AGAINST DRUGS IN THE

737
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,000
COMMUNITY.

738
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,000
THIS WILL AFFECT THE

739
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,000
CAPACITY OF LAW ENFORCEMENT

740
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,000
OFFICIALS IN ARIZONA AND

741
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,000
REDUCE DRUG ABUSE AND TO

742
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,000
SPEAK OUT AGAINST THE

743
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,000
LEGALIZATION OF THESE DRUGS.

744
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,000
REMEMBER, THAT IN ARIZONA

745
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,000
LSD AND HEROIN ARE COVERED

746
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,000
AS WELL.

747
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,000
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS

748
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,000
NEVER HAD THE RESOURCES TO

749
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,000
OF

750
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,000
STATE AND LOCAL LAW

751
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,000
ENFORCEMENT, BUT WE HAVE
WORKED WITH THEM IN

752
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,000
PARTNERSHIP TO MAKE SURE

753
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,000
THAT WE CAN DO EVERYTHING

754
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,000
POSSIBLE TO SUPPORT THEM IN

755
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,000
THAT EFFORT AND TO SEE THAT

756
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,000
FEDERAL LAWS ARE ENFORCED.

757
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,000
>> I MEAN -- I'M NOT SURE

758
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,000
THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION.

759
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,000
PROPOSITIONS AND THE

760
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,000
STATE REFERENDUMS ARE THEY

761
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,000
SIMPLY A MOOT POINT?

762
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,000
ARE THEY ILLEGAL BECAUSE

763
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,000
FEDERAL LAW TAKES PRECEDENT?

764
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,000
>> AS I MENTIONED TO YOU

765
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,000
STATE AND LOCAL LAW

766
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,000
ENFORCEMENT HAS HANDLED THE

767
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,000
PROSECUTION OF MOST SMALL

768
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,000
MARIJUANA CASES.

769
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,000
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES
TO

770
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,000
UNDERTAKE THE PROSECUTION OF

771
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,000
THOSE CASES OR MANY OTHER

772
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,000
CASE THAT'S STATE AND LOCAL

773
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,000
LAW ENFORCEMENT

774
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,000
TRADITIONALLY PROSECUTES.

775
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,000
WHAT WE WILL BE DOING IS

776
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,000
WORKING WITH STATE OFFICIALS

777
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,000
TO ENSURE AS FULL AND

778
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,000
COMPLETE ENFORCEMENT OF

779
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,000
FEDERAL LAW  POSSIBLE.

780
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,000
>> OKAY.

781
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,000
>> DO YOU FORESEE A NEED FOR

782
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,000
THE USE OF CONGRESSIONAL

783
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,000
LEGISLATION TO COUNTER ACT

784
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,000
ANY OF THE LOCAL

785
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,000
PROPOSITIONS?
>> I THINK IN THE LAST PAGE

786
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,000
OF THE DOCUMENT WE PASSED

787
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,000
OUT, YOU CAN SEE WE WILL

788
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,000
INTEND TO CONSULT WITH

789
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,000
DETERMINE IF THERE IS

790
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,000
ADDITIONAL LEGISLATION THAT

791
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,000
MIGHT BE USEFUL AND THERE

792
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,000
MAY WITH THE BE.

793
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,000
CERTAINLY -- MAY WELL BE.

794
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,000
CERTAINLY THAT'S ANOTHER

795
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,000
VENUE WE WANT BIPARTISAN

796
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,000
ADVICE AND BIPARTISAN

797
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,000
SUPPORT ON THIS APPROACH.

798
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,000
SIR.

799
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,000
ABOUT THE PROSECUTION

800
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,000
QUESTION.

801
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,000
WILL THERE OR WILL THERE NOT

802
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,000
BE AGGRESSIVE FEDERAL

803
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,000
PROSECUTION OF DOCTORS.

804
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,000
AND IF THERE WILL BE, CAN

805
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,000
YOU GIVE US AN INSTANCE OF

806
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,000
WHAT A DOCTOR WILL BE DOING

807
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,000
YOU WOULD GO AFTER AND WHEN

808
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,000
POSSIBLE SANCTIONS WOULD BE?

809
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,000
ON ANY ONE PROFESSION.

810
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,000
WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON

811
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,000
TRANSPORTATION WORKERS.

812
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,000
WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON

813
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,000
THOSE THAT WORK FOR SENSEIVE

814
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,000
AGENCIES, FEDERAL AGENCIES.

815
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,000
IT IS NOT JUST DOCTORS.

816
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:51,000
IT IS EVERYBODY INVOED.

817
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,000
HERE DESCRIBES WHAT

818
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,000
WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO IN

819
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,000
TERMS OF EXISTING LAW

820
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,000
ENFORCEMENT OVER FORTS USING

821
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,000
THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA: THE

822
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,000
ABSENCE OF A BONA FIDE

823
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,000
DOCTOR-PATIENT RELATIONSHIP,

824
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,000
A HIGH VOL UM -- VOLUME OF

825
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,000
SCHEDULE --

826
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,000
CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES,

827
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,000
ASSETS FROM THE PRESCRIPTION

828
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,000
OF OR RECOMMENDATION OF

829
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,000
SUB-- AND SCHEDULE ONE

830
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,000
CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES BEING

831
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,000
PROVIDED TO MINORS AND

832
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,000
SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES SUCH

833
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,000
AS WHEN DEATH OR SERIOUS

834
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,000
DRIVING

835
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,000
WHILE DRUGGED.

836
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,000
THESE ARE THE CRITERIA THAT

837
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,000
U.S. ATTORNEYS HAVE USED AND

838
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,000
WILL CONTINUE TO USE IN

839
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,000
ENFOISING -- ENFORCING

840
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,000
FERAL LAW NOT JUST AGAINST

841
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,000
DOCTORS BUT AGAINST ALL WHO

842
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,000
MIGHT BE SUBJECT.

843
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,000
>> AND A DOCTOR YOU BELIEVE

844
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,000
OF RECOMMENDATIONS

845
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,000
YOU WOULD SEEK TO DO WHAT

846
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,000
UNDER WHAT FEDERAL SANCTION?

847
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,000
>> AS I INDICATED PREVIOUSLY,

848
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,000
WE WILL TAKE EVERY CASE ON A

849
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,000
CASE BY CASE BASIS, LOOK THE

850
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,000
AT CRITERIA, THE EVIDENCE

851
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,000
AND MAKE THE APPROPRIATE

852
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,000
JUDGMENT.
>> WHICH WOULD BE WHAT,

853
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,000
REVOKING THE DEA?

854
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,000
MIGHT BE TO REVOKE THE

855
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,000
REGISTRATION.

856
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,000
IN OTHER INSTANCES IT MIGHT

857
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,000
BE FURTHER ENFORCEMENT

858
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,000
ACTION.

859
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,000
>> PERHAPS TWO MORE

860
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,000
QUESTIONS AND I THINK WE'RE

861
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,000
GOING TO CALL THIS TO HALT.

862
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,000
SIR, BACK HERE.

863
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,000
>> GENERAL, CAN YOU TELL US

864
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,000
WHAT YOU THINK THE EFFECT OF

865
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,000
THE INITIATIVES MIGHT BE ON

866
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,000
CERTIFICATION

867
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,000
PROCESS FOR INSTANCE ON

868
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,000
OTHER COUNTRIES?

869
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,000
IS THERE IN REALITY A TRUE

870
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,000
PERCEPTION AND WHETHER IN

871
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,000
EFFECT THE INITIATIVES ON

872
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,000
THE INTERNATIONAL AGREEMENTS

873
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,000
SUCH AS THE SINGLE

874
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,000
INTERVENTION OF NARCOTIC

875
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:30,000
DRUGS IF.
>> YOU REALLY ASKED A

876
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,000
WE ALREADY HAD COMMUNICATION

877
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,000
OF ENORMOUS CONCERN BY

878
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,000
MEXICAN AUTHORITIES OVER

879
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,000
THESE TWO INITIATIVES AND

880
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,000
DID THIS SIGNAL A LESSENING

881
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,000
OF OUR JOINT RESOLVE TO

882
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:46,000
CONFRONT WHAT IN ESSENCE IS

883
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,000
AWESOME CONSEQUENCES, NOT

884
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,000
ONLY TO MEXICO, BUT LUMBIA

885
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:53,000
AND THE AND YEN RIDGE AND

886
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,000
THAILAND WHO HAVE DONE SO

887
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,000
MUCH.
I DID KBHUN MEXICAN

888
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,000
AUTHORITIES EARLIER THIS

889
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:03,000
MORNING IN GIVE THEM A COPY

890
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,000
ENSURE THEM -- ASSURE THEM

891
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,000
WE DO UNDERSTAND THIS IS A

892
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,000
THREAT TO OUR CHILDREN IN

893
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,000
BOTH NATIONS.

894
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,000
SO YOUR POINT IS A GOOD ONE.

895
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,000
IT HAS BEEN A SUBJECT OF

896
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:17,000
OFFICIAL DIALOGUE BY OUR

897
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,000
>> WE YIELD TO OUR

898
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,000
REPRESENTATIVES OF THE
SUPREME COURT.

899
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,000
>> I'M SURE THAT WILL BE

900
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,000
LITIGATION AND WE WILL DO

901
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,000
EVERYTHING WE CAN TO SEE

902
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,000
THAT FEDERAL LAW IS UPHELD

903
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,000
AND ENFORCED.

904
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,000
LAST QUESTION,

905
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,000
BACK HERE.

906
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:42,000
>> JANET RENO -- [INAUDIBLE]

907
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,000
YOU ARE SAYING OFFICIALS IN

908
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,000
THE ARIZONA AND CALIFORNIA

909
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,000
ARE THEIR HANDS TIED ARE

910
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,000
THEY NOT ABLE TO PROSECUTE

911
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,000
OR NOT ABLE TO COOPERATE

912
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,000
THAT WHAT THE PROBLEM IS?

913
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,000
>> WHAT WE ARE URGED STATE

914
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,000
AND LOCAL OFFICIALS TO DO IS

915
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,000
TO UNDERTAKE THESE CASES TO

916
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,000
PURSUE THESE CASES AND TAKE

917
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,000
ARRESTS BECAUSE THE LAW IS

918
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,000
STILL ON THE BOOKS THAT IT

919
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,000
IS UNLAWFUL IN THESE STATES.

920
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,000
IF THE DEFENSE IS RAISED HEY

921
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,000
SUBSTANCE FOR ME, AND THE

922
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,000
PROSECUTOR IN ARIZONA, OR

923
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,000
CALIFORNIA CONCLUDE THAT

924
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,000
THEY CANNOT PROCEED BECAUSE

925
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,000
OF THE STATE INITIATIVE,

926
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,000
THEN WE WILL WORK WITH THEM

927
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,000
NUMBER ONE IN TERMS OF

928
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,000
SEIZING THE DRUGS, AND IN

929
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,000
FURTHER

930
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,000
ACTION SHOULD BE TAKEN.

931
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,000
>> WOULD ONE OF YOU BE GOOD

932
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,000
ENOUGH BEFORE THIS ENDS JUST

933
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,000
TO SORT ENCAPSULATE WHY THE

934
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,000
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FEELS IT

935
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,000
NECESSARY TO DO THIS?

936
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,000
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A

937
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,000
REALLY CLEAR ANSWER?

938
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,000
HAD

939
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,000
FOUR REASONS WHY THE FEDERAL

940
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,000
GOVERNMENT WANTED TO

941
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,000
RESPOND.

942
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,000
I WOULD BE GLAD TO PROVIDE

943
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,000
COPIES OF IT TO YOU IN

944
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,000
WRITE.

945
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,000
LET ME ENCAPSULATE OUR

946
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:57,000
THINKING.
FIRST OF ALL, MOST IMPORTANTLY

947
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,000
SCIENTIFIC MEDICAL PROCESS

948
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,000
BY WHICH SAFE AND EFFECTIVE

949
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,000
MEDICINES ARE BROUGHT TO THE

950
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,000
AMERICAN PEOPLE.
THIS IS NOT A MEDICAL

951
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,000
INITIATIVE, THIS IS A

952
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,000
LEGALIZATION OF DRUGS ISSUE.

953
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,000
SO WE WANT TO PROTECT THE

954
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,000
NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF HEALTH,

955
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,000
ADMINISTRATION

956
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,000
WHICH WE

957
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,000
FULFILL OUR RESPONSIBILITY

958
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,000
TO PROTECT THE AMERICAN

959
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,000
PEOPLE.

960
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,000
THAT'S NUMBER ONE.

961
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,000
NUMBER TWO, WE ARE

962
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,000
ENORMOUSLY CONCERNED ABOUT

963
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,000
THE RESURGENCE OF DRUG ABUSE

964
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,000
BY AMERICAN YOUNGSTERS.

965
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,000
I USED A CHART OF EIGHTH

966
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,000
THINK

967
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,000
IT'S THE MOST SIGNIFICANT IN

968
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,000
TERMS OF LOOKING DOWN THE

969
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,000
LINE AT POTENTIAL ADDICTIVE

970
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,000
PROBLEMS AMONG YOUNG

971
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,000
AMERICANS FIVE, 10 YEARS

972
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,000
FROM NOW.

973
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,000
WE ARE CONCERNED THAT THESE

974
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:46,000
TWO INITIATIVES WHICH IN

975
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,000
OTHER SCHEDULE ONE

976
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,000
DRUGS, NOT CAUSE, NOT FUEL,

977
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,000
NOT COMMUNICATE THE WRONG

978
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,000
MESSAGE TO AMERICAN

979
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,000
YOUNGSTERS.
NUMBER THREE, WE HAD TO

980
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,000
FULFILL OUR RESPONSIBILITY

981
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,000
AS FEDERAL OFFICERS TO

982
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,000
PROTECT THE AMERICAN PUBLIC

983
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,000
AS

984
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,000
TRANSPORTATION ISSUES, NO

985
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,000
YOU CAN'T SMOKE DO AND FLY

986
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,000
AN AIRLINER OR DRIVE A

987
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,000
SCHOOL BUS, OR PERFORM

988
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,000
SURGERY OR WHATEVER.

989
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:18,000
AND THEN FINALLY, IF I MAY

990
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,000
THESE TWO

991
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,000
PROPOSITIONS SIMPLY DO NOT

992
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,000
AFFECT FEDERAL LAW.

993
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,000
SO THE FEDERAL LAW IS IN

994
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,000
EFFECT, WE HAD TO REVIEW THE

995
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,000
EXISTING STATUTES AND ENSURE

996
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,000
THAT THOSE WHO ARE RECEIVING

997
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,000
FEDERAL MONIES, AS AN

998
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,000
, UNDERSTAND THAT

999
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,000
THEY ARE STILL COVERED BY

1000
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,000
PROHIBITIONS OF SCHEDULE ONE

1001
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,000
DRUGS.

1002
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,000
BILL: YOU HAVE BEEN

1003
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,000
LISTENING TO NEWS BRIEFING

1004
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,000
IN WASHINGTON HEADED UP BY

1005
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,000
BARRY McCAFFREY HEALTH AND

1006
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,000
HUMAN SECRETARY DONNA

1007
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,000
SHALALA AND ATTORNEY GENERAL

1008
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,000
JANET RENO.

1009
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,000
HOUSUSE OF MEDICAL USE FOR

1010
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,000
MARIJUANA.
A NUMBER OF OPINIONS AND

1011
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,000
THOUGHTS EXPRESSED IN THE

1012
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:58,000
PAST 30INUT.

1013
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,000
QUICKLY TO RECAP IN OF THE

1014
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,000
ISSUES.
JANET RENO DOES SAY FEDERAL

1015
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,000
LAW WILL BE ENFORCED OVER

1016
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,000
STATE LAW ON THIS ISSUE.

1017
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,000
SHE ALSO SAYS THE VOTERS OF

1018
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,000
CAN CALIFORNIA AND ARIZONA

1019
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,000
ARE SENDING WRONG MESSAGE TO

1020
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,000
DONNA SHALALA TALKED ABOUT

1021
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,000
THE DISTURBING NUMBER OF

1022
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,000
KIDS THAT CONTINUE USE

1023
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,000
DRUG ABUSE THAT HERCERN.

1024
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,000
SHE DID ADMIT THE

1025
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,000
ADMINISTRATION WILL SEEK WE

1026
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,000
SEARCH TO DISCUSS

1027
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:25,000
RESPONSIBILITIES ABOUT USING

1028
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,000
McCAFFREY'S OPINION QUOTE HE

1029
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,000
SAID THIS WAS NOT MEDICINE

1030
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,000
THIS IS A CHEECH AND CHONG

1031
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,000
SHOW.
THERE IS ADMINISTRATION'S

1032
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,000
POSITION.
MORE ON THIS ISSUE COMING UP

1033
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,000
WITH "CNN & COMPANY" MARY

1034
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,000
TILLOTSON RIGHT AFTER OUR

1035
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,000
PROGRAM CONCLUDES HERE.

1036
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,000
TERRY: THAT WRAPS IT UP FOR

1037
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,000
THIS EDITION OF THE CNN

1038
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,000
"MORNING NEWS."

1039
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,000
I'M TERRY ANZUR SITTING IN

1040
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,000
FOR DONNA KELLEY.

1041
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,000
BILL: I'M BILL HEMMER.

1042
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,000
THANKS FOR BEING WITH US.

1043
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:56,000
TAKE CARE.

1044
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,000
BUT IN JUST THE LAST HOUR,

1045
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,000
CLINTON ADMINISTRATION

1046
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,000
OFFICIALS HELD A NEWS

1047
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,000
CONFERENCE, TO SAY ANY

1048
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,000
DOCTOR WHO ACTUALLY

1049
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:35,000
PRESCRIBES MARIJUANA COULD

1050
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,000
>> OUR HEALTH CARE

1051
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,000
PROFESSIONALS NEED TO

1052
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,000
UNDERSTAND THAT FEDERAL LAW

1053
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,000
HAS NOT CHANGED, THAT IT

1054
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,000
CONTINUES TO BE ILLEGAL IN

1055
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,000
THE UNITED STATES TO

1056
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,000
PRESCRIBE MARIJUANA.

1057
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,000
IS AS SECRETARY

1058
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,000
SHALALA HAS POINTED OUT AN

1059
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,000
ESTABLISHED AND A REGULAR

1060
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,000
PROCESS INVOLVING EXPERT

1061
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,000
MEDICAL REVIEW TO DETERMINE

1062
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,000
WHETHER DRUGS HAVE MEDICAL

1063
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,000
VALUE AND CAN BE USED.

1064
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,000
HERE TO TALK ABOUT IT:

1065
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:10,000
RUTHE STEIN OF THE "SAN

1066
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,000
SHE'S IN OUR SAN FRANCISCO

1067
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,000
BUREAU.

1068
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,000
AND FROM WASHINGTON, SUSAN

1069
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,000
BENNETT OF "USA TODAY," AND

1070
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,000
KELLYANNE FITZPATRICK, WHO

1071
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:18,000
IS A POLITICAL ANALYST FOR

1072
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,000
CNN.

1073
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,000
GLAD TO HAVE THE THREE OF

1074
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,000
YOU HERE TO KICK OFF THE

1075
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,000
SUSAN I WANT TO START WITH
YOU.

1076
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,000
THE GIST OF WHAT THEY WERE

1077
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,000
SAYI AT THIS NEWS

1078
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,000
CONFERENCE IS THAT THERE IS

1079
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,000
NO VALID, ESTABLISHED

1080
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:39,000
MEDICAL EVIDENCE OF THE

1081
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,000
RELIEF -- RELIEVE SUFFERING.

1082
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,000
DOUR AGREE WITH THAT THIS.

1083
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,000
>> THAT STILL HAS TO BE

1084
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,000
DETERMINED.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE

1085
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,000
WHITE HOUSE HAS NOT BEEN ON

1086
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,000
STREETS TO FIND OUT WHAT THE

1087
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,000
DRUG PROBLEM IS.

1088
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,000
IT'S NOT WITH DOCTORS

1089
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,000
PRESCRIBING THE USE OF

1090
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,000
MARIJUANA.
IT'S NOT WITH CANCER

1091
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,000
PATIENTS SEEKING TO USE

1092
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,000
GETTING

1093
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,000
ILLEGAL DRUGS.

1094
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,000
I THINK THAT IT IS, YOU KNOW,

1095
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,000
WHILE IT'S ILLEGAL, THE LAW

1096
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,000
SHOULD BE CHANGE.

1097
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,000
BUT THIS SHOULD NOT BE THE

1098
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,000
PRIORITY THE WHITE HOUSE IS

1099
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,000
MAKING IT.

1100
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,000
MARY: RUTHE, I DON'T CLAIM

1101
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,000
TO BE AN MD.

1102
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:12,000
NONE OF US HERE ARE.

1103
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,000
ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE SHORT OF

1104
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,000
A FULL-FLEDGED FDA RESEARCH

1105
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,000
PROJECT, WHICH THEY COULD

1106
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,000
HAVE LAUNCHED BUT DID NOT

1107
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,000
BUT THERE ARE MEDICAL

1108
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,000
DOCTORS WHO DO BELIEVE IT

1109
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,000
HELPS THE NAUSEA OF

1110
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,000
CHEMOTHERAPY PATIENTS,

1111
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,000
PRESSURE OF THE EYES.

1112
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,000
>> I BELIEVE I JUST HEARD

1113
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,000
BARRY McCAFFREY SAY PEOPLE

1114
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,000
IN CALIFORNIA AND AND

1115
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,000
ARIZONA DIDN'T UNDERSTAND

1116
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,000
WHAT THEY WERE VOTING FOR.

1117
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,000
WE DID.

1118
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,000
WE THINK THAT DECISION

1119
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,000
SHOULD BE MADE BY THE DOCTOR

1120
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,000
AS ONE WHO HAS PERSONALLY

1121
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,000
MARIJUANA CAN

1122
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,000
HAVE WITH PEOPLE WITH

1123
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,000
CANCER.
I THINK THE DECISION SHOULD

1124
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,000
BE BETWEEN THE DOCTOR AND

1125
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,000
PATIENT AND THE FEDERAL

1126
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,000
GOVERNMENT SHOULD NOT BE

1127
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,000
INVOLVED IN IT.

1128
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,000
MARY: KELLY RHINO OWE KELLY

1129
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,000
AMMO OWE KELLYANNE I'M GOING

1130
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,000
ISN'T THE REALITY THAT BILL

1131
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,000
CLINTON HAS ENOUGH OF

1132
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,000
MARIJUANA PROBLEMS IN HIS

1133
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,000
OWN HISTORY THAT THEY WANT

1134
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,000
HIM TO LOOK TOUGH ON DRUGS.

1135
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,000
>> I THINK HIS NEW SLOGAN

1136
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,000
COULD BE I DIDN'T INSHALE --

1137
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,000
INHAM SO YOU CAN INGEST.

1138
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,000
NOW FAMOUS

1139
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,000
CLINTON PEN HAS SWEPT

1140
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,000
BROADLY IN TWO AREAS.

1141
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,000
THE FIRST IS THE SANCTITY OF

1142
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,000
THE DOCTOR-PATIENT

1143
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,000
RELATIONSHIP WHICH THE

1144
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,000
PRESIDENT HAS TIME AND TIME

1145
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,000
AGAIN WE FENDED THE

1146
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,000
RELATIONSHIP.

1147
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,000
MARIJUANA

1148
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,000
FOR MEDICAL PURPOSES IS NOT.

1149
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,000
HIS VETO PEN SWEPT TOO

1150
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,000
BROADLY BECAUSE IT BASICALLY

1151
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,000
ERASES RUTHE AND HER FELLOW

1152
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,000
RESIDENTS IN CALIFORNIA AND

1153
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:43,000
OTHERS IN ARIZONA.

1154
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,000
THIS IS A CLASSIC CASE OF

1155
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,000
FEDERAL VERSUS STATE POWER.

1156
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,000
WHETHER YOU AGREE THE H WITH

1157
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,000
IN FACT TRY TO PROTECT THE

1158
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,000
SANCTITY OF WHEN VOTERS

1159
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,000
SPEAK AT THE BALLOT BOX.

1160
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,000
MARY: I HAVE GOT TO ASK ALL

1161
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,000
OF YOU, THOUGH, AND I HAVE

1162
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,000
SEEN PEOPLE SUFFERING FROM

1163
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,000
CHEMOTHERAPY THAT I THINK

1164
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,000
COULD HAVE BEEN BENEFITTED

1165
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,000
FROM SOME HELP FIGHTING THE

1166
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,000
NAUSEA.

1167
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,000
PROBLEM WHEN

1168
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,000
YOU'VE GROT MORE AND MORE

1169
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,000
YOUNG PEOPLE USING MORE AND

1170
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,000
MORE MARIJUANA EARLIER OF

1171
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,000
POSSIBLE CONFLICTING

1172
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,000
SIGNALS?

1173
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,000
>> OF COURSE.
>> I THINK THE ISSUE, THOUGH

1174
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,000
IS IN A THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE

1175
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,000
TO ENFORCE THIS AND MAKE

1176
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,000
SURE THE MARIJUANA GOES TO

1177
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,000
THE PEOPLE IT'S SUPPOSED TO

1178
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,000
GO TO.

1179
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,000
I KNOW IN SAN FRANCISCO WE

1180
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,000
PROGRAMS AND POLICIES

1181
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,000
THAT MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

1182
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,000
THAT CAN ONLY BE DONE ON THE

1183
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,000
LOCAL AND STATE LEVEL AND

1184
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,000
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT

1185
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,000
REALLY CAN'T --

1186
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,000
>> RUTHE, MAKE A PREDICTION

1187
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,000
FOR US ON WHAT DRUG

1188
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,000
ENFORCEMENT FOLKS IN
CALIFORNIA ARE GOING TO

1189
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:36,000
COULD WITH THIS?

1190
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,000
>> WELL, IT'S HARD TO

1191
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,000
PREDICT.

1192
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,000
ARE

1193
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,000
POSSIBLY SITTING BACK AND

1194
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,000
STILL REELING FROM WHAT

1195
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,000
THEY'VE JUST HEARD.

1196
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:44,000
I KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE IN

1197
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,000
THIS CITY WHO FEEL VERY

1198
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,000
STRONGLY ABOUT THIS.

1199
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,000
IT'S ALSO USED FOR AIDS

1200
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,000
PATIENTS, AND I THINK THAT

1201
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,000
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO

1202
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,000
FIGURE OUT NOW HOW TO

1203
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,000
ACCOMMODATE TO WHAT THE

1204
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,000
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS

1205
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,000
SHALALA

1206
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,000
SEEMED TO SUGGEST NOW THAT

1207
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,000
WE WERE GOING TO DO AT THE

1208
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,000
FEDERAL LOX SOME RESEARCH ON

1209
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,000
WHETHER THERE IS EFFICACY

1210
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,000
MANY N SOME INSTANCES

1211
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,000
MARIJUANA USE FOR MEDICAL

1212
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,000
SNURPZ.

1213
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,000
>> ABSOLUTELY.
I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE

1214
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,000
DONE THIS FIRST BEFORE THEY

1215
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,000
CRUSADE.

1216
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,000
THIS IS NOT GOING TO CAUSE

1217
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,000
MORE SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN TO

1218
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,000
GET MORE MARIJUANA THROUGH

1219
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,000
DOCTORS.
THAT'S ALREADY A PROBLEM.

1220
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,000
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS

1221
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,000
THAT IT'S NOT JUST ANECDOTAL

1222
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,000
EVIDENCE THAT SHOWS THIS

1223
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,000
ACTUALLY HAS THE POTENTIAL

1224
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,000
FOR MEDICINAL PURPOSES.

1225
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,000
GOVERNMENT DID A SURVEY OF

1226
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,000
ONCOLOGISTS AND 44% OF THE

1227
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,000
ONCOLOGISTS SAID THEY HAD

1228
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,000
RECOMMENDED MARIJUANA TO

1229
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:41,000
SOME OF THEIR PATIENTS FOR

1230
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:42,000
IS UP TO YOU.

1231
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,000
I DON'T KNOW HOW I FEEL

1232
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,000
ABOUT THEM PERSONALLY AND

1233
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,000
THOSE TWO BALLOTS ARE VERY

1234
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,000
DIFFERENT THIS THEIR

1235
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,000
LANGUAGE THEY WOULD ALLOW.

1236
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,000
LOOKING PAST THE BALLOT

1237
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,000
LANGUAGE I RESPECT THE

1238
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,000
VOTERS IN CALIFORNIA AND

1239
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,000
ARIZONA THAT THEY KNOW

1240
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,000
BETTER THAN WE IN WASHINGTON

1241
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,000
KNOW FOR THEM.
MARY: WHAT THEY KNOW IN

1242
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,000
SEATTLE IS THAT IT'S LOUSY

1243
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,000
WEATHER.

1244
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:02,000
WE'RE GOING TO TELL YOU A

1245
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,000
LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT AND

1246
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,000
SOME POLITICAL PROBLEMS FOR

1247
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,000
THE SPEAK

1248
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,000
IN HANDS THAT ARE NOT QUALIFIED,

1249
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,000
NAMELY GENERAL McCAFFREY OR THE

1250
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,000
ATTORNEY GENERAL.

1251
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,000
>> I'M AT RISK.

1252
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:16,000
I DO 95% OF WHAT I DO IS HIV

1253
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:17,000
MEDICINE.

1254
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,000
SO, YOU KNOW, I'VE WRITTEN A LOT

1255
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:20,000
OF LETTERS IN SUPPORT OF PEOPLE

1256
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,000
USING MARIJUANA FOR MEDICINAL

1257
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,000
PURPOSES.

1258
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,000
>> AT ISSUE IS A DOCTOR'S

1259
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,000
LICENSE FROM THE DRUG

1260
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,000
ENFORCEMENT ADMINISTRATION

1261
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,000
ALLOWING PRESCRIPTION OF

1262
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,000
CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES LIKE

1263
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,000
AMPHETAMINES AND NARCOTICS.

1264
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,000
LOSING A DEA LICENSE COULD BEGIN

1265
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,000
A CASCADE OF REVOCATIONS,

1266
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,000
INCLUDING STATE LICENSE,

1267
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,000
MALPRACTICE INSURANCE AND

1268
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:40,000
MEDICARE AUTHORIZATION.

1269
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:41,000
>> IN EFFECT, YOU WILL NOT BE

1270
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,000
ABLE TO PRACTICE MEDICINE.

1271
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,000
YOU CAN BE BOOTED OUT OF ANY

1272
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,000
INSURANCE COMPANY'S PANEL.

1273
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,000
EFFECTIVELY THEY WILL CLOSE YOU

1274
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,000
DOWN.
>> FOR MANY AIDS PATIENTS, ONLY

1275
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,000
MARIJUANA CUTS THE NAUSEA AND

1276
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,000
RESTORES THE APPETITE.

1277
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,000
SOME DOCTORS HAVE ALREADY

1278
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,000
RESCINDED PREVIOUS LETTERS

1279
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,000
APPROVING MARIJUANA FEARING

1280
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,000
FEDERAL REPRISALS.

1281
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,000
OTHERS MAY CHANGE THE WORDING OF

1282
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,000
THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS TO BEGIN

1283
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,000
"IF MARIJUANA WERE LEGAL" GIVING

1284
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,000
THE DOCTORS SOME LEGAL

1285
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,000
DENIABILITY.

1286
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,000
OTHERS MAY REFER POT PATIENTS TO

1287
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,000
OTHER DOCTORS.
>> IT IS SOMETHING THAT I KNOW

1288
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,000
THERE ARE NO OTHER EXISTING

1289
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,000
MEDICATIONS AT THIS POINT IN

1290
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,000
TIME WOULD WORK.
>>úIT SUN PROVEN SCIENTIFICALLY,

1291
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,000
BUT IS THERE A WAY TO KNOW FOR

1292
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,000
SURE?

1293
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,000
DR. DON ABRAMS PROPOSED A STUDY.

1294
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,000
>> TO TRY TO DO A SCIENTIFIC

1295
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,000
STUDY TO INVESTIGATE WHETHER OR

1296
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,000
NOT MARIJUANA HAS ANY BENEFIT OR

1297
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,000
JUST AS IMPORTANTLY, WHETHER IT

1298
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:38,000
HAS ANY HARM HAS BEEN, IS THE

1299
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:39,000
MOST FRUSTRATING THING THAT I'VE

1300
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,000
FACED IN MY CAREER TO DATE.

1301
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,000
>> BUT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT

1302
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,000
WON'T ALLOW HIM TO USE MARIJUANA

1303
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,000
TO TEST IT.

1304
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,000
>> THERE'S A LOT OF POLITICS

1305
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,000
THAT REALLY OBSCURE THE

1306
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,000
SCIENTIFIC QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE

1307
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,000
TRYING TO ASK.

1308
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,000
>> DOCTORS PREDICT THAT WON'T

1309
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,000
STOP THE MEDICINAL POT USE.

1310
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,000
JUST DRIVE IT BACK UNDERGROUND.

1311
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,000
GREG LEFEVRE, CNN, SAN

1312
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,000
FRANCISCO. BY

1313
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,000
PRESIDENT CLINTON TO COUNTER THE

1314
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,000
LEGALIZATION BY TWO STATES OF

1315
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,000
MARIJUANA FOR MEDICAL PURPOSES.

1316
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:06,000
CALIFORNIA AND ARIZONA

1317
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,000
RESIDENTS APPROVED MARIJUANA

1318
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:11,000
FOR MEDICAL PURPOSES,

1319
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,000
THE ADMINISTRATION SAYS

1320
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,000
MARIJUANA IS ILLEGAL AND FEDERAL

1321
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,000
LAW DOES NOT RECOGNIZE ANY

1322
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,000
LEGITIMATE MEDICAL USE.

1323
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,000
THE ADMINISTRATION SAYS DOCTORS

1324
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,000
WHO PRESCRIBE MARIJUANA NEW

1325
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:24,000
COULD FACE CHARGES.
ATTORNEY GENERAL JANET RENO SA

1326
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,000
LOCAL GOVERNMENTS WILL HAVE

1327
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:26,000
Jj!E LAW.

1328
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:30,000
>> STATE AND LOCAL LAW ENFORC

1329
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,000
ENFORCEMENT HAS HANDLED THE
PROSECUTION OF MOST SMALL

1330
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,000
MARIJUANA CASES.
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES NOT

1331
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,000
HAVE THE RESOURCES TO UNDERTAKE

1332
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,000
THE PROSECUTION OF THOSE CASES

1333
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:38,000
OR MANY OTHER CASES THAT STATE

1334
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,000
AND LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT

1335
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,000
TRADITIONALLY PROSECUTES.

1336
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,000
WHAT WE WILL BE DOING IS WORKING

1337
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,000
WITH STATE LAW ENFORCEMENT

1338
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,000
OR HAVE A SHOT OF JIM

1339
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,000
BEAM?

1340
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,000
IS THAT THE ISSUE?

1341
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,000
IS THAT THE STANDARD NOW,

1342
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,000
THE STANDARD OF MEDICAL

1343
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,000
SCIENCE YOU WANT TO HAVE

1344
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,000
>> ETHAN, AS I SAID IN THE

1345
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,000
OPEN THE BIGGEST LIE FOR

1346
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,000
ALCOHOL ABUSERS IS TO SAY TO

1347
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,000
THEMSELVES THEY TAKE A DRINK

1348
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,000
FOR MEDICINAL PURPOSES, THEY

1349
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,000
TRY TO LIE TO THEMSELVES AND

1350
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,000
TO THE PUBLIC.

1351
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,000
ISN'T THIS ISSUE OF

1352
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,000
MARIJUANA FOR MEDICINAL

1353
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,000
LIE.
>> NO YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S

1354
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,000
ABOUT, JOHN, UNDER THE

1355
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:20,000
CURRENT SYSTEM THERE'S A

1356
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:24,000
RANGE OF DRUGS, COCAINE FOR

1357
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,000
FEEN,BARBITOLS, VERY

1358
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:31,000
POWERFUL, THESE ARE SCHEDULE

1359
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,000
DOCTORS CAN PRESCRIBE THEM

1360
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,000
FOR MEDICAL PURPOSES WE

1361
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,000
DON'T BELIEVE IT'S SENDING

1362
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:38,000
THE WRONG MESSAGES TO KIDS

1363
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,000
BECAUSE WE BELIEVE PEOPLE

1364
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,000
WITH AIDS OR OTHER DISEASES

1365
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,000
SHOULD GET THE RIGHT DRUGS.

1366
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:44,000
>> YOU SAID --
>> ALL THE VOTERS SAID IN

1367
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,000
CALIFORNIA IS LET'S TREAT

1368
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,000
ANY OTHER

1369
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,000
DRUG.

1370
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,000
>> WRONG.
>> WHEN IT COMES TO DEALING

1371
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,000
WITH PAIN DISCOMFORT --

1372
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,000
>> WHAT THEY SAID.
>> NO, NO THAT IS WHAT THEY

1373
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,000
SAID.
WHEN IT COMES TO DEALING

1374
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,000
WITH PAIN, DISCOMFORT WHAT

1375
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,000
THEY WERE SAYING IS GET THE

1376
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:59,000
COPS OUT OF THE DOCTOR'S

1377
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:03,000
OFFICE.
THERE ARE PEOPLE WITH PAIN

1378
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,000
DISCOMFORT.

1379
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,000
MISREPRESENTED IT IN

1380
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,000
WHATSOEVER.
>> ARE YOU GOING TO

1381
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,000
FILIBUSTER ALL NIGHT OR

1382
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,000
ANSWER QUESTIONS.
>> I HAD THE IMPRESSION

1383
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,000
WALTERS WENT AHEAD AND

1384
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,000
TALKED BEFORE.
>> THE KEY --

1385
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,000
>> IS WHEN YOU'RE DEALING

1386
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:18,000
WITH SOMEONE, A PRESCRIPTION,

1387
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,000
THEY PRESCRIBE, THEY WRITE A

1388
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,000
PRESCRIPTION IN WHICH A

1389
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,000
ON THE LINE AND SAYS THIS IS

1390
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,000
REQUIRED FOR MEDICINAL

1391
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:26,000
PURPOSES.

1392
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,000
>> EXACTLY.
>> YOU AND YOUR COLLEAGUES

1393
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,000
PUT TOGETHER AN INITIATE IVE

1394
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:35,000
WHICH IS SO DECEPTIVE AND

1395
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,000
MISREPRESENTIVE --
>> THAT'S A CROCK.

1396
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,000
VERBALLY -- SAY VERBALLY

1397
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:40,000
THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE THE

1398
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,000
MARIJUANA AND NO

1399
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,000
PRESCRIPTION IS REIRED!

1400
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,000
>> WHAT DOES IT PROVIDE FOR

1401
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:46,000
AN ORAL RECOMMENDATION?

1402
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:47,000
BECAUSE OF WHAT THE

1403
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,000
McCAFFREY AND DRUG WARRIORS

1404
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,000
DID TODAY.
>> BUT IT'S THE DIFFERENCE

1405
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:51,000
BETWEEN --

1406
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:52,000
>> INT NO WHAT YOU WERE

1407
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,000
JUST SAYING IS THAT A DOCTOR

1408
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,000
HIS REPUTATION AND PRESCRIBE

1409
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,000
A DRUG WHEN IT'S

1410
00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,000
APPROPRIATE.

1411
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,000
>> THEY DO IT FOR --

1412
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,000
>> ALL THE DOCTORS IN

1413
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,000
CALIFORNIA.
>> CODEINE --

1414
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,000
>> ALL THE DOCTORS IN

1415
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,000
CALIFORNIA ARE TRYING TO DO

1416
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,000
IS TO HAVE THE LEGAL FREEDOM

1417
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,000
TO PRESCRIBE A DRUG THEY SEE

1418
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:12,000
WHEN THEY'RE DEALING WITH

1419
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,000
OR

1420
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,000
GRANDPARENTS WHO ARE
SUFFERING FROM AIDS OR

1421
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,000
DEALING WITH CHEMOTHERAPY

1422
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,000
AND NAUSEA WHAT THEY'RE

1423
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,000
SAYING IS WE HAVE SEEN A

1424
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,000
MEDICATION THAT WORKS.
LET US PRESCRIBE IT AND GET

1425
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:23,000
THE COPS OUT OF OUR FACE.

1426
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:24,000
I DON'T UNDERSTAND, JOHN,

1427
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:25,000
YOU KNOW, I GOT A CALL ON

1428
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,000
THIS SHOW, I DIDN'T KNOW

1429
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,000
WHETHER YOU WERE GOING TO BE

1430
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,000
CONSERVATIVE

1431
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,000
SIDE.
TO TALK

1432
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,000
NONSTOP OR ANSWER QUESTIONS?

1433
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,000
>> THIS IS ABOUT DOCTOR'S

1434
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,000
RIGHT TO PRESCRIBE A DRUG.

1435
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,000
>> CODEINE AND OTHER DRUGS

1436
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,000
THAT WERE PRESCRIBED, YOU

1437
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:44,000
PRETENDED DISHONESTLY.

1438
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,000
>> NO, I AM HONEST.

1439
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,000
SAME CATEGORY.

1440
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,000
IT DOESN'T YOU KNOW IT.

1441
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,000
>> CAN YOU GIVE ME A GOOD

1442
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,000
REASON MARIJUANA SHOULDN'T
BE TREATED LIKE COCAINE OR

1443
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:54,000
MORPHINE.

1444
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:55,000
>> IT SHOULD BE TREATED LIKE

1445
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:56,000
MORPHINE WHERE YOU NEED A

1446
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,000
PRESCRIPTION, AN ABSOLUTE

1447
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:00,000
PRESCRIPTION WHERE THE

1448
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,000
DOCTOR PUTS HIMSELF ON THE

1449
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:02,000
LINE --
>> LET ME ASK YOU, WOULD YOU

1450
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,000
HAPPY IF TODAY

1451
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,000
McCAFFREY AND SHALALA ALL OF

1452
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,000
YOUR OTHER FRIENDS IN THE

1453
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,000
DEMOCRATIC ADMINISTRATION

1454
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:12,000
HAD GOTTEN UP THERE AND SAID

1455
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,000
WHAT -- WE'LL NOT LABEL

1456
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,000
MARIJUANA A SCHEDULE TWO

1457
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:18,000
DRUG SO DOCTORS PRESCRIBE IT,

1458
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,000
WOULD SOLVE BOTH OUR

1459
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,000
PROBLEMS, RESCHEDULE IT.

1460
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:23,000
>> QUICK POINT.

1461
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,000
>> FIRST OF ALL THIS IS NOT

1462
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,000
ABOUT MEDICAL MARIJUANA.

1463
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:28,000
THERE IS LITT DEBATE.

1464
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:32,000
THIS HAS BEENAGEAGE JUDE

1465
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,000
INDICATED IN COURT THROUGH

1466
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:39,000
SCIENCE THAT THERE'S A

1467
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,000
SCIENTIFIC USE TO FOR

1468
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,000
MARIJUANA.
>> OH, TO.

1469
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,000
>> HE'S A FRAUD, HE'S A

1470
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,000
WHOLLY OWNED SUBSIDIARY FOR

1471
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:51,000
SOROS, OR SOROS'S GOAL

1472
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,000
LEGALIZE

1473
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,000
MARIJUANA.
LET'S BE HONEST, NOT ENGAGE

1474
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,000
IN FRAUD ABOUT MEDICINE.

1475
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,000
HIS HERSELF NOT A PHYSICIAN,

1476
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,000
HE IS NOT A MEDICAL

1477
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:01,000
RESEARCHER.

1478
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:02,000
>> HOLD ON A SECOND.

1479
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,000
>> SUBSTANTIVE ISSUE IN THE

1480
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,000
STATE OF CALIFORNIA, THE

1481
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,000
SUBSTANTIVE ISSUE IS SHOULD

1482
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,000
PRESCRIBE MARIJUANA LIKE

1483
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,000
MORPHINE, AMPHETAMINE, YOU

1484
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:14,000
NAME IT.

1485
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,000
THAT IS THE ISSUE.
>> HOLD ON A SECOND.

1486
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,000
LET ME COME BACK TO YOU, YOU

1487
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,000
SAID THAT EARLIER I GOTTA

1488
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:24,000
CHALLENGE YOU FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT AS YOU KNOW HAS A

1489
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,000
TWO DAYS FROM NOW EIGHT

1490
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:27,000
PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY GOING
TO GET A BOX FROM THE

1491
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,000
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITH 300

1492
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:30,000
JOINTS IN IT.

1493
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,000
SENT TO THEM BY THE FDA.

1494
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:33,000
>> HOW MANY PEOPLE?
>> EIGHT.

1495
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,000
>> EIGHT LEFT.

1496
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,000
>> IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY?

1497
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,000
>> EIGHT LEFT JOHN, THE

1498
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,000
REASON THEY'RE DOING IT IS

1499
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,000
SAID

1500
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:42,000
THIS IS GOING TO HELP THEM

1501
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,000
WITH GLANS CANCER, GLAUKOMA

1502
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:46,000
THEN AIDS.
HOW CAN YOU SAY THERE HAVE

1503
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,000
BEEN NO MEDICAL STUDIES ON

1504
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:49,000
THIS.
>> THERE HAVE BEEN.

1505
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,000
>> THE COMPASSIONATE USE

1506
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:52,000
EXCEPTION IS TO SAY WHILE

1507
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,000
IT'S NOT PROVEN THERE'S A

1508
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,000
MEDICAL EFFECTTIOUS USE FOR

1509
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,000
THAN FAIR

1510
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:58,000
THERE WAS AN EFFORT TO

1511
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,000
PROVIDE MARIJUANA IN CASES

1512
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,000
WHERE SOMEBODY WAS EXTREME

1513
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,000
CASES -- SUPPOSED TO BE

1514
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:06,000
MEDICAL FOLLOW-UP PROTOCOL.

1515
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,000
THE REASON HHS ASKED IT NOT

1516
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,000
THE ENFORCEMENT BUT MEDICAL

1517
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:11,000
SIDE OF THE FEDERAL

1518
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:12,000
GOVERNMENT ASKED TO

1519
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,000
DISCONTINUE THE PROGRAM WAS
WAS USED AS A WEDGE TO

1520
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:16,000
TRY TO SPREAD USE OF

1521
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,000
MARIJUANA SGHEEF A 7 1/2

1522
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,000
ACRE WE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT,
I AM HELPING PAY FOR IT, YOU

1523
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,000
ARE, A 7 1/2 ACRE POT FARM

1524
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:24,000
AT UNIVERSITY OF MISSISSIPPI

1525
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:25,000
PROVIDING MARIJUANA TO THESE

1526
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:26,000
PEOPLE WHO ARE SICK WITH

1527
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:30,000
WITH THESE DISEASES WHY IS

1528
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,000
ARIZONA.
>> IT WAS A MANNER OF MAKING

1529
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:33,000
AN EXCEPTION YOU'RE NOW

1530
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:34,000
SAYING BECOMES THE REASON

1531
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,000
FOR NOT TAKING SERIOUSLY THE

1532
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,000
MEDICAL SCIENTIFIC CRITERIA

1533
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,000
THEY USE FOR OTHER DRUGS.

1534
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,000
>> WHY DID THEY STOP IT.

1535
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,000
>> HE WANTS THIS TO BE

1536
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:44,000
TREATED LIKE A SCHEDULE TWO

1537
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,000
DRUG, THE DIFFERENCE IS IT'S

1538
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,000
MEDICALLY

1539
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,000
EFFECTTIOUS PURPOSES AND

1540
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,000
MINIMAL SIDE EFFECTS AND

1541
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,000
HARM COMPARED TO OTHER

1542
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,000
SUBSTANCES.
>> QUICKLY IF A DOCTOR SAYS

1543
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,000
TO HIS PATIENT, 70-YEAR-OLD

1544
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:58,000
WOMAN DYING OF CANCER THIS

1545
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:03,000
IS GOING TO HELP YOU PROVEN

1546
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:04,000
AND THE PATIENT?

1547
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,000
>> THAT'S THE CRUEL FRAUD

1548
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,000
HERE, MEDICAL SCIENCE IS NOT

1549
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:08,000
BASED TO ON YOUR FEELINGS.

1550
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:09,000
>> WHOSE FEELINGS?

1551
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,000
I SAID A DOCTOR.

1552
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,000
>> EFFECTTIOUS PRESCRIPTION.

1553
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,000
>> THERE ARE IN THESE CASES

1554
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:20,000
OF REMEDIES THERE ARE MORE

1555
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:24,000
THERE IS THC, THE MEDICAL

1556
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,000
ACTIVE INGREDIENT IN

1557
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:26,000
MARIJUANA.

1558
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:27,000
FOR EXAMPLE YOU WANT TO TALK

1559
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,000
ABOUT AIDS WASTING

1560
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,000
SYNDROME --.

1561
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:32,000
JOHN:.
BILL: TALK ABOUT IT WHEN WE

1562
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:36,000
COME BACK.

1563
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:37,000
BILL: WHEN WE COME BACK I

1564
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,000
WANT TO ASK WHETHER OR NOT

1565
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:40,000
THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION

1566
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:41,000
TODAY WERE REALLY ACTING TO

1567
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,000
PROPEKT TO OUR KIDS OR LIE

1568
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:48,000
TO THEM?

1569
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,000
>> WE ALL MUST WORK TOGETHER,

1570
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,000
, TEACHERS,

1571
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:55,000
HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONALS,

1572
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:56,000
LAW ENFORCEMENT, EVERYONE

1573
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:57,000
MUST WORK TOGETHER TO GET

1574
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,000
OUT THE MESSAGE THAT DRUG

1575
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,000
ABUSE IS A DANGEROUS ROAD TO

1576
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:02,000
NOWHERE.

1577
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,000
>> WE'RE NOT TRYING TO MAKE

1578
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,000
ADDICTS OUT OF PATIENTS,

1579
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:10,000
WE'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO GET

1580
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:08,000
IMPORTANT TO USE WHATEVER IS

1581
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:13,000
IMPORTANT TO USE WHATEVER IS

1582
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:14,000
THE FIRST THING SHE SAID WAS

1583
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,000
>> LET MGO BACK TO THIS

1584
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,000
AGAIN MISREPRESENTATION THAT

1585
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:19,000
IS THE HABIT OF THOSE WHO

1586
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,000
SUPPORT THIS INITIATIVE.

1587
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:22,000
YOU GAVE SOME DRUGS THAT

1588
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:23,000
WERE CLASS TWO DRUGS, EACH

1589
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:24,000
ONE OF THOSE DRUGS HAD TO GO

1590
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,000
THROUGH AN APPROVAL PROCESS

1591
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,000
FDA AND YOU PRETENDED

1592
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:29,000
THAT THE SAME KIND OF THING

1593
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,000
HAD TAKEN PLACE WITH

1594
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:32,000
MARIJUANA.

1595
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:33,000
THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE.

1596
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,000
IT'S NEVER BEEN TESTED OR

1597
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,000
APPROVED AS A DRUG BY FDA.

1598
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,000
THE SECOND POINT I MADE

1599
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,000
EARLIER IS IT IS BEING

1600
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,000
PERMITTED BY A VERBAL

1601
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:44,000
PRESCRIPTION WRITTEN.

1602
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,000
THOSE TWO THINGS ALONE

1603
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:47,000
DISQUALIFY THE ANALOGY YOU

1604
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:48,000
HAVE MADE.

1605
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:49,000
>> JOHN IT SEEMS TO ME YOU

1606
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,000
AND I AGREE THAT IF THE DRUG

1607
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,000
CZAR HAD GOTTEN UP THERE

1608
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:54,000
TODAY AND SAID WE SHOULD

1609
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,000
TREAT MARIJUANA LIKE OTHER

1610
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,000
SCHEDULE TWO DRUGS, MORPHINE,

1611
00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:59,000
WOULD

1612
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:00,000
BOTH SUPPORT THAT.

1613
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:01,000
THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE

1614
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:02,000
CORRECT STEP.

1615
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:03,000
THE OTHER POINT, THOUGH, IS

1616
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,000
THIS, ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO

1617
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:06,000
HAS BEEN PROMINENTLY

1618
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,000
INVOLVED IN THIS ISSUE IS

1619
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,000
RICHARD BROOK IT'S HEISER

1620
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:16,000
SENIOR EDITOR OF NATIONAL

1621
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:17,000
MAY HAVE SMOKED IN COLLEGE

1622
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,000
DIDN'T SMOKE IT OR LIKE IT,

1623
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,000
GAVE HIM THE THC AND HAD TO

1624
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,000
GO THROUGH ANTINAUSEA DRUGS,

1625
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,000
THIS CONSERVATIVE NOT A

1626
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,000
LIBERITARIAN SMOKED
MARIJUANA AND FIND HE COULD

1627
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:32,000
FINALLY EAT, RIGHT THIS

1628
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:33,000
YOUR KID OR PARENT OR YOUR

1629
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,000
BROTHER AND SISTER AND THEY

1630
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:37,000
HAVE AIDS WASTING SYNDROME

1631
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:38,000
OR THEY HAVE CANCER GOING

1632
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:39,000
THROUGH CHEMOTHERAPY AND IN

1633
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,000
FRONT OF YOUR EYES -- YOUR

1634
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:42,000
EYES YOU SEE THEM SMOKE A

1635
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,000
JOINT AND THAT ENABLES THEM

1636
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,000
TO EAT OR REDUCE THEIR PAIN

1637
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:48,000
THAN ANYTHING ELSE WHY DO

1638
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,000
STANDING IN

1639
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,000
>> IF THAT HAD ANY VALIDITY

1640
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,000
AT ALL WHY DID YOU BYPASS

1641
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:55,000
ALL THE PROCESSES THAT ARE

1642
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,000
YULE UTILIZED TO GET

1643
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:58,000
SOMETHING ACCEPTABLE UNDER

1644
00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:59,000
THE SYSTEM WE HAVE?

1645
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:00,000
YOU KNOW IT'S GOING TO FAIL.

1646
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:01,000
>> TWO ANSWERS TO THAT, THE

1647
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:04,000
FIRST IS A MORE NARROWLY

1648
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:05,000
DRAFTED LAW WAS PASSED BY

1649
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,000
LEGISLATURE TWICE

1650
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:08,000
UNDER CALIFORNIA LAW, IS

1651
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,000
RETEED BY GOVERNOR WILSON

1652
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,000
FOR POLITICAL REASONS.

1653
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:13,000
THE SECOND IS THE WAY A DRUG

1654
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:14,000
GETS APPROVED IN THE UNITED

1655
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,000
STATES IS A PHARMACEUTICAL

1656
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:17,000
COMPANY SPENDS HUNDREDS OF

1657
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:18,000
MILLION DOLLARS TO PUT IT

1658
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:19,000
THROUGH A FDA PROCESS.

1659
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,000
THERE ARE NO PHARMACEUTICAL

1660
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:24,000
GET

1661
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:25,000
BEHIND MARIJUANA.
THERE'S NO WAY TO PATENT OR

1662
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:29,000
CONTROL IT.
IF YOU CAN BOIL IT DOWN TO A

1663
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:30,000
PILL YOU'LL GET IT IF THE

1664
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,000
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WANTED TO
SHOW GOOD FAVORITE THEY

1665
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,000
WOULD HAVE SHOWED SUPPORT TO

1666
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,000
RESEARCH OF MARIJUANA RATHER

1667
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,000
WHAT

1668
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,000
THEY WERE DOING.
>> WAS YOUR FOUNDATION A

1669
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,000
SPONSOR OF THE DECEPTIVE ADS

1670
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,000
IN --
>> NO IT WAS NO IN NO WAY

1671
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:48,000
WHATSOEVER.

1672
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,000
>> THEY WERE DISHONEST ADS

1673
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:51,000
WEREN'T THEY.
>> THEY WERE NOT.

1674
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:52,000
I BELIEVE THE ADS IN

1675
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:53,000
CALIFORNIA ESSENTIALLY

1676
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:54,000
SHOWED A DOCTOR, PATIENT,

1677
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,000
SOMEBODY

1678
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:57,000
WHO DIED OF MEDICAL

1679
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,000
MARIJUANA.

1680
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,000
THOSE WERE HONEST.
THE LIES ARE WHEN PEOPLE

1681
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,000
LIKE McCAFFREY OR JOE

1682
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,000
CALIFANO FROM NEW YORK OR

1683
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:07,000
LUNDGREN STARTED CLAIMING

1684
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,000
THESE THINGS DON'T WOR

1685
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,000
THERE IS EVIDENCE.

1686
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,000
IT'S IN FRONT OF THE EYES OF

1687
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:12,000
>> THERE WERE TWO THINGS

1688
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,000
THAT BOTHER ME ABOUT WHAT

1689
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,000
GENERAL McCAFFREY SAID TODAY,

1690
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,000
I WANT TO IS YOU ABOUT THE

1691
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:17,000
SECOND ONE.

1692
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,000
HERE'S A LITTLE QUOTE FROM

1693
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,000
HIS NEWS CONFERENCE TODAY IN

1694
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,000
CASE YOU DIDN'T HEAR THIS

1695
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,000
AND I'LL ASK YOU YOU A

1696
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:25,000
QUESTION.
>> THESE TWO PROPOSITIONS

1697
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:26,000
WERE OPPOSED BY THE AMERICAN

1698
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,000
MEDICAL ASSOCIATION, BY THE
MEDICAL

1699
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,000
ASSOCIATION, BY A WHOLE

1700
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,000
RANGE OF PROFESSIONAL

1701
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:34,000
ASSOCIATIONS WHAT I WOULD

1702
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:35,000
SUGGEST IS I DIDN'T SEE IT

1703
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,000
AS A MEDICAL ISSUE BUT

1704
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:39,000
INSTEAD LEGALIZATION OF

1705
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,000
DRUGS.
>> OBVIOUSLY HE REPEATED THE

1706
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:42,000
NEWS CONFERENCE THIS IS IN

1707
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,000
FRONT OF THE WHITE HOUSE.
MEDICAL ISSUE BUT

1708
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:45,000
LEGALIZATION ISSUE.

1709
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,000
JOHN THAT IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE

1710
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:48,000
ISN'T IT?
>> I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH HIM

1711
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:49,000
ON THAT.

1712
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,000
LOOK, NORMAL AN

1713
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,000
ORGANIZATION DEDICATED TO

1714
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:55,000
LEGALIZING MARIJUANA USE IS

1715
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,000
BEHIND THIS.
THEY'RE NOT A PHYSICIANS OR

1716
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,000
MEDICAL GROUP.

1717
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,000
NATIONAL STATURE THAT LOOKED

1718
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,000
AT THIS ISSUE THAT IS
INVOLVED WITH THE CARE OF

1719
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,000
PEOPLE -- LOOK I AM NOT

1720
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,000
SAYING THAT PEOPLE,

1721
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:07,000
INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE IN

1722
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:08,000
BAD --.
BILL: THIS -- YOU HAVE READ

1723
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:09,000
THIS LANGUAGE.

1724
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,000
DOES THIS LEGALIZE THE USE

1725
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:12,000
OF MARIJUANA IN THE STATE OF

1726
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:13,000
CALIFORNIA?
TO ONE OF THE BACKERS "NEW

1727
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:14,000
YORK TIMES" --

1728
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,000
>> YES OR NO QUESTION!

1729
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:17,000
DOES IT IN YOU KNOW IT

1730
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,000
DIDN'T.
>> ONE OF THE BACKERS OF THE

1731
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:20,000
CALIFORNIA PROPOSITION

1732
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:21,000
QUOTED IN TODAY'S "NEW YORK

1733
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,000
TIMES" NOT A BIG WEAPON OF

1734
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,000
THE RIGHT SAID ANY USE OF

1735
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:26,000
MARIJUANA IS MEDICINAL.

1736
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:27,000
>> THAT'S ONE BACKER.

1737
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:28,000
SO WHAT?

1738
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:29,000
THE LANGUAGE OF THE

1739
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:30,000
INITIATIVE SAYS CORRECT ME

1740
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:31,000
IF I'M WRONG IT HAS TO BE

1741
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,000
FOR

1742
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:34,000
MEDICAL REASONS AND HAS TO

1743
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,000
BE UNDER THE ADVICE OF THE

1744
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:37,000
DOCTOR, YES OR NO.

1745
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,000
>> LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION

1746
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:40,000
OF CANDOR.

1747
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,000
>> WILL YOU ANSWER.
>> I'LL ASK YOU A QUESTION

1748
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:43,000
OF CANDOR.

1749
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:44,000
BILL: NOED IIST ASKED A

1750
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:45,000
QUESTION, WOULD LIKE AN

1751
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:46,000
INITIATIVE.

1752
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:47,000
>> THE GOAL --.
BILL: IS THIS LIMITED OR

1753
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,000
LEGALIZE MARIJUANA?

1754
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:51,000
WHY WON'T YOU ANSWER THE

1755
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,000
QUESTION.
>> IT I LEGALIZES MARIJUANA.

1756
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:54,000
BILL: SHOW ME WHERE.

1757
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,000
>> IT REQUIRES AN ORAL

1758
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,000
REFERENCE.
BILL: FOR PATIENTS WHO ARE

1759
00:56:58,000 --> 00:56:59,000
ILL.
>> THERE WAS A QUESTION AS

1760
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:00,000
TO WHETHER OR NOT SOMEONE

1761
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:01,000
CAN MAKE A GENERAL REFERENCE

1762
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:02,000
TO I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD

1763
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,000
USE A MARIJUANA AND IS A

1764
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:06,000
PEOPLE THE JUSTIFICATION USE

1765
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:07,000
OF MARIJUANA.

1766
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,000
>> ISN'T THE SPONSORS OF

1767
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:10,000
PEOPLE WHO PUT MILLIONS OF

1768
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:11,000
DOLLARS INTO CALIFORNIA,

1769
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:12,000
HAVEN'T THEY PUBLICLY

1770
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,000
ACKNOWLEDGED AN AGENDA TO

1771
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:15,000
MOVE TOWARDS LEGALIZING

1772
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:16,000
MARIJUANA AND A WHOLE RANGE

1773
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:17,000
OF DRUGS?

1774
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,000
>> EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE IS

1775
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:20,000
TRUE.

1776
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,000
SAID HE'S

1777
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:23,000
OPPOSED TO LEGALIZATION OF

1778
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:24,000
DRUGS, I DON'T KNOW HOW CH

1779
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,000
MORE YOU WANT, HE

1780
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:28,000
EXPLITLY -- WALTERS SAID

1781
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:29,000
IT.

1782
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,000
SOROS PROMOTES JUST A

1783
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,000
BROADER DEMAND OF -- A RANGE

1784
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,000
OF PROJECTS DEALING WITH

1785
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,000
AND COMPASSION DYING

1786
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:39,000
OF AIDS.

1787
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,000
THE REASON HE WAS DRAWN TO

1788
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:44,000
THESE IT LINKED THE TWO

1789
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,000
ISSUES, ONE, DRUGS AND DRUG

1790
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,000
POLICY, THE OTHER, AMERICAN

1791
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,000
PEOPLE TO DEAL COMPASSION

1792
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:52,000
ALLY THOSE WHO ARE DYING OR

1793
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:53,000
SUFFERING.

1794
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,000
PROPOSITION THAT IS

1795
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:56,000
LIMITED, IF I GO TO MY

1796
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,000
DOCTOR AND SAY I THINK THIS

1797
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,000
WILL HELP ME DEAL WITH MY

1798
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:01,000
HEADACHE PROBLEM AND THE

1799
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,000
DOCTOR TELLS ME GO SMOKE

1800
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:04,000
MARIJUANA I AM NOW UNDER

1801
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:05,000
THIS INITIATIVE ABLE TO GO

1802
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:06,000
GROW AND SELL AND BUY

1803
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,000
MARIJUANA?

1804
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:09,000
NO MORE SO THAN IF YOU WERE

1805
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,000
TO HIM

1806
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:12,000
ABOUT COCAINE OR MORPHINE.

1807
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:13,000
>> COME ON!

1808
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:14,000
>> LET'S NOT BE WILLFULLY --

1809
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,000
>> IN THE END.

1810
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,000
>> WILLFULLY OBTUSE.

1811
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:18,000
>> HE KED A QUESTION.

1812
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:19,000
LET ME ANSWER IT!

1813
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,000
>> MR. SOROS'S OWN CHIEF OF

1814
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,000
STAFF --
>> ASK I ANSWER IF QUESTION

1815
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:24,000
PLEASE.

1816
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:25,000
>> THIS IS ABOUT

1817
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,000
LEGALIZATION.

1818
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,000
DRUG --.

1819
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:30,000
JOHN: GOT TO CUT YOU OFF.

1820
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:31,000
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR

1821
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,000
JOINING US, JOHN WALTERS

1822
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,000
THANK YOUING FOR JOINING.

1823
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,000
JOINING US, JOHN WALTERS
THANK YOUING FOR JOINING.
BILL AND I WILL GO

1824
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,000
THE FIRST THING SHE SAID WAS

1825
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:46,000
"MOMMY, I'VE NEVER SEEN
THE CLOUDS FROM THE TOP BEFORE."

1826
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,000
CAME SOONER
THAN ANY OF US EXPECTED.

1827
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:50,000
CRYING WOLF ABOUT MARIJUANA

1828
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:51,000
FOR TOO LONG JOHN, LET ME

1829
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,000
ASK YOU, WHERE'S YOUR

1830
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:54,000
COMPASSION, IN MY MIND IF

1831
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,000
THERE'S A PERSON WHO HAS

1832
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,000
CANCER AIDS, GLAUCOMA AND

1833
00:58:58,000 --> 00:58:59,000
SMOKING A JOINT IS GOING TO

1834
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:00,000
,

1835
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,000
GO FOR IT.

1836
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:02,000
I THINK WE'RE BIG ENOUGH

1837
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:03,000
COUNTRY TO TOLERATE IT.

1838
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:06,000
>> TAKE IT THROUGH THE FDA

1839
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:07,000
PROCESS IF YOU WANT TO TREAT

1840
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:08,000
IT AS SOMETHING MEDICINAL

1841
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,000
AND DON'T LET A WINK AND NOD

1842
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,000
FROM THE DOCTOR SUFFICE, LET

1843
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,000
ME THEM WRITE A

1844
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:18,000
PRESCRIPTION.
NIH --

1845
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:19,000
>> LAUGHED.

1846
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:20,000
>> THEY HAVE A PROGRAM AND

1847
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:21,000
STILL SENDING JOINTS TO

1848
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,000
PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY.

1849
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:24,000
>> THE PROGRAM IS NOW DOWN

1850
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:25,000
TO EIGHT PEOPLE AND THEY'RE

1851
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,000
LEDLETING IT FADE AWAY.

1852
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:28,000
IF THAT'S YOUR EXAMPLE OF A

1853
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,000
PRECEDENT, MY GOD THERE'S NO

1854
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,000
PRECEDENT THERE.

1855
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:35,000
PROVES IT'S NOT

1856
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:36,000
GOING ANYWHERE.

1857
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,000
>> OF COURSE MORE THAN

1858
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,000
EIGHT SHOULD BE ON THE

1859
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:42,000
PROGRAM FROM THE LEFT, I'M
BILL PRESS; GOODNIGHT FROM

1860
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:43,000
"CROSSFIRE".

1861
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:44,000
>> FROM THE RIGHT, I'M JOHN
SUNUNU; JOIN US AGAIN FOR

1862
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:49,000
ANOTHER EDITION OF
"CROSSFIRE."

1863
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:14,000
WAY THE CLINTON

1864
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:15,000
ADMINISTRATION HAS CHOSEN TO

1865
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,000
USE THEM TO FIGHT THE

1866
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:18,000
CALIFORNIA AND ARIZONA

1867
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:21,000
PROPOSITIONS ON MARIJUANA,

1868
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:24,000
WEAPON, A WEAPON THAT COULD

1869
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,000
EFFECTIVELY BLUNT THE WILL
OF VOTERS, WHO APPROVAL THE

1870
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,000
USE OF POT FOR MEDICAL

1871
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,000
PURPOSES, CARL ROCHELLE CNN

1872
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:31,000
WHITE HOUSE.

1873
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,000
>> THERE ARE CRACKS IN THE

1874
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:34,000
PARTISAN UNITY OVER WERE

1875
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,000
NEWT GINGRICH SHOULD REMAIN

1876
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:38,000
ETHICS COMMITTEE DISCUSSED

1877
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:39,000
THE CASE TODAY BUT NO WORD

1878
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,000
OF WHAT PUNISHMENT, IF ANY,

1879
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:42,000
THE PANEL WILL SOON

1880
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,000
RECOMMEND, GEORGIA

1881
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:45,000
REPUBLICAN ADMITTED TO

1882
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:46,000
ETHICS VIOLATIONS EARLIER

1883
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,000
THIS MONTH, REPUBLICAN

1884
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:49,000
LEADERS ORGANIZED A

1885
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:50,000
CONFERENCE CALL TODAY, TO

1886
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,000
DISCUSS STRATEGY THAT WOULD

1887
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,000
BUT ONE REPUBLICAN NOW HAS

1888
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:58,000
OPENLY OPPOSED REELECTION.

1889
01:00:58,000 --> 01:00:59,000
>> I DON'T THINK THAT

1890
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,000
SPEAKER GINGRICH OR FOR THAT

1891
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:02,000
MATTER ANYBODY SEEKING THIS

1892
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,000
JOB, IS GOING TO WANT TO PUT

1893
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,000
THE FULL HOUSE TO A VOTE,

1894
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:07,000
WITHOUT KNOWING WITH GREAT

1895
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:08,000
CERTAINTY, RIGHT DOWN TO THE

1896
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:09,000
LAST VOTE.

1897
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:14,000
SAYING IS IF

1898
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:15,000
HER FINGER CAUGHT IN THE

1899
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:17,000
SNACKING DOLL'S MOUTH.

1900
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:18,000
IT TOOK HER FATHER 45-MINUTES

1901
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:21,000
TO FREE HER FINGER.

1902
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:22,000
HEONSUMER

1903
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:23,000
COMMISION SAYS IT'S LOOKING

1904
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:24,000
INTO THE SAFETY OF THE DOLL BUT

1905
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,000
NO WARNINGS HAVE BEEN ISSUED.

1906
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:27,000
MEANTIME THE KIDS DON'T SEEM

1907
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:28,000
TOO WORRIED BUT PARENTS ARE

1908
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,000
CONCERNED.

1909
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:31,000
"she wanted to eat it cuz she

1910
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:32,000
was hungry for hair."

1911
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:33,000
(butt to)
"we want people aware that this

1912
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:38,000
is a dangerous doll."

1913
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:41,000
THIS AFTERNOON, CHANNEL FIVE

1914
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:42,000
RECEIVED A STATEMENT FROM

1915
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:43,000
MATTEL, THE COMPANY THAT MAKES

1916
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,000
THE DOLL.
THEY SAY THEY'RE NOT PLANNING

1917
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:46,000
A RECALL.. NOR DO THEY PLAN TO

1918
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:49,000
PUT WARNING LABELS ON THE DOLL.

1919
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:50,000
COMING UP ON CHANNEL FIVE

1920
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:51,000
EYEWITNESS NEWS AT 6, BILL

1921
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,000
SCHECHNER TELLS US ABOUT A BAY

1922
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:54,000
AREA GIRL, WHO SAYS SHE HAD A

1923
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:55,000
STRANGE EXPERIENCE WITH HER

1924
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:59,000
CABBAGE PATCH DOLL.

1925
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:00,000
IF YOU SAW YESTERDAY'S 49'ERS

1926
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:05,000
GAME..THEN YOU KNOW QUARTERBACK

1927
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:27,000
úC@

1928
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:41,000
WHAT IT MEANS FOR PEOPLE IN
THE BAY AREA, STILL AHEAD.


1929
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,000
BEING EQUAL.
MEN OR WOMEN OR THERE'S NO

1930
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:51,000
DIFFERENCE?

1931
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:52,000
WE WILL HAVE THE ANSWER WHEN WE

1932
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,000
COME BACK ON HOUSE CALLS.

1933
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:55,000
>>> WITH ALL THE TROUBLE

1934
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:56,000
PEOPLE ARE HAVING WITH WINTER

1935
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:57,000
WEATHER, SOME PEOPLE IN THE

1936
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:58,000
MIDWEST ARE ACTUALLY USING THE

1937
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,000
COLD TEMPERATURES TO MAKE A
POINT.

1938
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:01,000
THIS WAS AN ANTI-FUR PROTEST

1939
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:04,000
IN SIOUX FALLS, SOUTH DAKOTA.

1940
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:05,000
THE TEMPERATURES THERE HOVERED

1941
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:06,000
NEAR FREEZING TODAY.

1942
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,000
BUT THAT DIDN'T STOP THE

1943
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:09,000
GROUP, "PEOPLE FOR THE ETHICAL

1944
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:10,000
TREATMENT OF ANIMALS" FROM

1945
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:12,000
BARING ALL.

1946
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:13,000
HOWEVER, THEIR PROTEST DIDN'T

1947
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:14,000
LAST LONG, ONLY ABOUT 10

1948
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:18,000
MINUTES.

1949
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,000
>> ABOUT 10 MINUTES WORTH OF

1950
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:21,000
THE COURAGE FOR THEIR

1951
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:22,000
CONVICTIONS.

1952
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:23,000
>>> UP NEXT, A NEW REPORT OF A

1953
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:24,000
CHILD BEING HURT BY A POPULAR

1954
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:29,000
DOLL.
THIS TIME IT HAPPENED HE EBERH

1955
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:37,000
WAS PLAYING WITH HERDAHL WHEN

1956
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,000
IT BEGAN CHEWING HER HAIR.

1957
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,000
THE DOLL IS SUPPOSED TO EAT

1958
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:43,000
PLASTIC FOOD.

1959
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:44,000
HER PARENTS GOT THE BATTERIES

1960
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:45,000
OUT OF THE DOLL.

1961
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,000
THEY CALLED MATTEL BUT SAID

1962
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,000
THEY GOT LITTLE HELP.

1963
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,000
>> SHE WASN'T, DIDN'T SEEM TO

1964
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:52,000
EVEN BE CONCERNED THAT WE HAD

1965
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,000
A 3-1/2-YEAR-OLD THAT HAD THE

1966
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,000
DOLL ATTACHED TO HER HEAD.

1967
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,000
SHE NEVER ASKED HOW SHE WAS OR

1968
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:00,000
IF SHE WAS OKAY.

1969
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,000
>> Reporter: MATTEL INSISTS

1970
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,000
THE DOLLS ARE SAFE.

1971
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:06,000
HER PARENTS DISASSEMBLEED THE

1972
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,000
DOLL ON HIRE THEN.

1973
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:11,000
THE CONSUMERS PRODUCT SAFETY

1974
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:12,000
COMMISSION ARE LOOKING INTO

1975
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:13,000
THIS CASE AS WELL AS ONE IN

1976
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,000
ALABAMA WHERE PARENTS TOOK

1977
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,000
VIDEO OF THEIR DAUGHTER BEING

1978
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,000
ATTACKED.
THEY ARE WARNING PARENTS TO

1979
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:20,000
TAKE THE BATTERIES OUT OF THE

1980
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:21,000
DOLLS.

1981
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:22,000
>>> THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION

1982
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:23,000
MADE IT CLEAR TODAY: MARIJUAIS R

1983
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:24,000
FEDERAL LAW, NO MATTER WHAT

1984
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:25,000
VOTERS IN CALIFORNIA SAY.

1985
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:26,000
THE PRESIDENT ARRIVED IN SOUTH

1986
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:27,000
CAROLINA FOR VACATION TODAY

1987
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:28,000
BEFORE LEAVING WASHINGTON HE

1988
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:29,000
INSTYE JUSTICE

1989
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:30,000
DEPARTMENT TO PROSECUTE

1990
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:31,000
DOCTORS WHO PRESCRIBE

1991
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:33,000
MARIJUANA.

1992
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:34,000
IT'S A RESPONSE TO

1993
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:35,000
CALIFORNIA'S PROP. 215 AND A

1994
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:36,000
SIMILAR LAW IN ARIZONA WHICH

1995
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:37,000
LEGALIZE MARIJUANA FOR MEDICAL

1996
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:38,000
PURPOSES.

1997
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,000
THE THREAT TO PROSECUTE ISN'T

1998
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:44,000
SITTING WELL WITH MANY
CALIFORNIA DOCTORS.

1999
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:46,000
>> I'M OUTRAGED THAT

2000
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:49,000
WASHINGTON WOULD THINK TO COME

2001
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:50,000
INTO OUR STATE AND OVERRULE

2002
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:53,000
THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE AND

2003
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,000
PROSECUTE OR PERSECUTE IN MY

2004
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:56,000
OPINION DOCTORS WHO ARE TRYING

2005
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:57,000
TO DO THE RIGHT THING FOR

2006
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,000
THEIR PATIENTS.

2007
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,000
>> Reporter: UNDER FEDERAL LAW

2008
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:02,000
DOCTORS WHO PRESCRIBE

2009
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:03,000
MARIJUANA NOT ONLY FACE

2010
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:04,000
PROSECUTION, BUT ALSO THE LOSS
OF THEIR RIGHT TO PRESCRIBE

2011
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:07,000
ANY DRUG.

2012
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:08,000
THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT SAYS IT

2013
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:09,000
WILL DECIDE CHARGES ON A

2014
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:10,000
CASE-BY-CASE BASIS, GOING

2015
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:11,000
AFTER DOCTORS WHO PRESCRIBE

2016
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:15,000
MARIJUANA FOR PROFIT.

2017
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:16,000
>>> LATE THIS AFTERNOON, THE

2018
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:17,000
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PUBLISHED
NEW GUIDELINESOR AIR BAGS.

2019
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:18,000
CAR MANUFACTURERS WILL BE

2020
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:19,000
ALLOWED TO INSTALL BAGS THAT

2021
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,000
EXPLODE LESS FORCEFULLY.

2022
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:22,000
AND CAR MECHANICS WILL BE

2023
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:23,000
ALLOWED TO DEACTIVATE AIR BAGS

2024
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:28,000
ALLOWED TO DEACTIVATE AIR BAGS
IF CUSTOMERS REQUEST IT.

2025
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:32,000
OFFICE WORKERS CAN TAKE OUR

2026
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:37,000
THEIR AGGRESSIONS ON THIS.

2027
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:41,000
COULD THIS STRESS RELIEF ROOM BE

2028
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,000
THE NEXT BIG CULTURAL EXPORT?

2029
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:46,000
WE'LL SEE!

2030
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,000
I WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT.

2031
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,000
>> WE COULD USE A FEW OF THOSE

2032
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,000
IN THE NEWSROOM.

2033
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:53,000
THERE'S STILL MORE NEWS AHEAD

2034
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:57,000
TONIGHT.

2035
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:58,000
WHEN WE COME

2036
01:05:58,000 --> 01:05:59,000
PRESCRIBE MARIJUANA AND WARNS

2037
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:04,000
FEDERAL WORKERS TO STAY OFF POT.

2038
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:05,000
>>> AND TONIGHT, WE BEGIN

2039
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,000
A SERIES ON THE "BEST OF '96" --

2040
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:08,000
A WOMAN CLIMBS THE IVY

2041
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:09,000
TO THE TOP OF THE OLD BOYS

2042
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:10,000
WORLD -- THE PRESIDENT

2043
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:14,000
OF THE UNIVERSITY

2044
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,000
TO THE POINT -- NO MEDICAL

2045
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:19,000
USE OF MARIJUANA

2046
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:20,000
LAST MONTH, THE STATES

2047
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:24,000
OF CALIFORNIA AND ARIZONA

2048
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:25,000
BECAME THE FIRST

2049
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:27,000
IN THE NATION TO LEGALIZE

2050
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:28,000
BUT THE ADMINISTRATION SAID
TODAY THAT FEDERAL LAW

2051
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:29,000
PREVAILS, AND DOCTORS WHO

2052
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:32,000
PRESCRIBE MARIJUANA COULD BE

2053
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:36,000
OUR FIRST REPORT IS

2054
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:37,000
>>> WITH TEEN DRUG USE

2055
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:40,000
ON THE RISE, THE CLINTON

2056
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:41,000
ADMINISTRATION SAYS
PRESCRIBING MARIJUANA

2057
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:42,000
FOR MEDICAL PURPOSES SENDS

2058
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:47,000
A CONFUSING MESSAGE TO YOUNG

2059
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:48,000
INCREASING NUMBERS

2060
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:53,000
OF AMERICANS BELIEVE THAT

2061
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,000
>> THIS IS NOT A MEDICAL

2062
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:58,000
THIS IS A LEGALIZATION

2063
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,000
>> UNDER THE
ADMINISTRATION'S PLAN,

2064
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:01,000
THE GOVERNMENT WILL ENFORCE

2065
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:02,000
FEDERAL LAWS PROHIBITING

2066
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:03,000
THE DISTRIBUTION OF ILLEGAL

2067
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:08,000
DRUGS, EVEN WHEN PERMISSIBLE

2068
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:09,000
DOCTORS WHO VIOLATE THE LAW

2069
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:14,000
COULD HAVE THEIR MEDICAL
CREDENTIALS REVOKED OR EVEN

2070
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:15,000
>> WE WANT TO MAKE CLEAR

2071
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:20,000
THAT FEDERAL LAW STILL

2072
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,000
AND FEDERAL OFFICIALS WILL

2073
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:23,000
>> THE ADMINISTRATION

2074
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:24,000
REJECTS CLAIMS THAT
MARIJUANA IS MORE USEFUL

2075
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:25,000
THAN EXISTING MEDICINES

2076
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:26,000
IN TREATING A VARIETY

2077
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:30,000
OF ILLNESSES, SUCH

2078
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:33,000
AS GLAUCOMA, ARTHRITIS,
OR THE NAUSEA ASSOCIATED

2079
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:34,000
BUT DR. RICHARD J. COHEN

2080
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:35,000
OF SAN FRANCIS SAYS

2081
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:37,000
MARIJUANA HAS HELPED SOME

2082
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:41,000
OF HIS SERIOUSLY ILL

2083
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:42,000
>> IT MEANS THAT PATIENTS

2084
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:43,000
WILL NOT HAVE ACCESS

2085
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:46,000
TO A PHYSICIAN

2086
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:47,000
RECOMMENDATION TO

2087
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:48,000
A MEDICATION THAT MIGHT
IMPROVE THEIR QUALITY

2088
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:51,000
OF LIFE OR THEIR MEDICAL

2089
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:52,000
>> DOCTORS IN CALIFORNIA

2090
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:53,000
AND ARIZONA HAVE ACCUSED

2091
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:54,000
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT

2092
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:55,000
OF OVERSTEPPING ITS

2093
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:57,000
BOUNDARIES, BY THWARTING

2094
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:58,000
THE WILL OF VOTERS

2095
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:01,000
AND ATTEMPTING TO DICTATE

2096
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:02,000
BUT THE CLINTON
ADMINISTRATION SAYS

2097
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:03,000
THE EFFORT TO LEGALIZE

2098
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:04,000
MARIJUANA WILL ULTIMATELY

2099
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:08,000
HURT MANY MORE LIVES THAN IT

2100
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:12,000
MICHELE NORRIS, ABC NEWS,

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>>> IN CALIFORNIA,
WHERE GOVERNOR PETE WILSON

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OPPOSED MARIJUANA

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FOR MEDICAL USE, HIS OFFICE

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SAID TODAY IT IS PLEASED

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WITH THE FEDERAL ACTION,
CALLING IT A SERIOUS ATTEMPT

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>>> BUT THE MEDICAL USE

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PROPOSITION DID PASS

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WITH 56% OF THE VOTE

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AND SOME OF THOSE VOICES

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ABC'S JUDY MULLER IS

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>>> VALERIE CORRAL HAD

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AN OVERWHELMING REACTION

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TO THE ADMINISTRATION'S
STAND AGAINST MEDICINAL

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>> AFTER YEARS OF WORK,

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TIRELESS EFFORT AT TRYING

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TO CHANGE THE LAW,

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AND NOW WE'RE BEING TOLD,

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WE REFUSE TO ALLOW

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>> CRAL AND HER HUSBAND

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ARE FOUNDERS OF AN ALLIANCE

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WHICH GROWS MARIJUANA

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AFTER OBTAINING WRITTEN

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PERMISSION FROM THEIR

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CLIENTS' DOCTORS, THE GROUP

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DISTRIBUTES THE DRUG TO SOME

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>> NOW, SOME OF THESE PEOPLE

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WE'RE GOING TO HAVE

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THEY'RE JUST TOO ILL TO COME

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TO THE MEETINGS, AND THEY'RE

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TOO OLD TO EVEN COME


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>> UNLIKE THE CANNABIS CLUBS

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IN SAN FRANCISCO,

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WHICH CHARGE FOR MEDICINAL
MARIJUANA, THE CORRALS GIVE

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THEY KEEP EXTENSIVE RECORDS

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ON THE EFFECTS OF VARIOUS
VARIETIES OF THE PLANT

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ON PATIENTS WITH CANCER,

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>> IT'S INTERESTING HOW
THE DIFFERENT KINDS ARE

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AFFECTING THE DIFFERENT

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>> THEIR EFFORTS HAVE EARNED
THEIR ORGANIZATION NONPROFIT

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STATUS FROM THE STATE

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AND AN ACCOMMODATION

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THAT IS WHY, SAY

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THE CORRALS, THEY FIND

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THE FEDERAL POSITION

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>> IT'S NOT ABOUT GETTING

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IT'S ABOUT TRYING TO BECOME

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NORMAL AND LIVE A NORMAL

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>> TO CANCER PATIENTS LIKE
GARY JOHNSON, NORMAL MEANS

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A LIFE WITHOUT PAIN

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>> I'LL EAT LATER AFTER

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>> WITH THE GOVERNMENT NOW

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VOWING TO PUNISH PHYSICIANS

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FOR PRESCRIBING MARIJUANA,

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THE CORRALS WORRY THAT

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IN THE END, IT MAY BE

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THE PATIENTS WHO ARE

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JUDY MULLER, ABC NEWS,

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>>> BACK IN WASHINGTON,

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SOME CRACKS IN THE WALL

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OF SUPPORT FOR SPEAKER

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OF THE CANCER

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PATIENT JO DALY, WHO USES

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MARIJUANA-LACED PASTRIES TO HELP

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HER GET THROUGH CHEMOTHERAPY,

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SEES THE ISSUE VERY DIFFERENTLY.

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>> I DON'T WANT TO SEE MARIJUANA

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SOLD ON A STREET CORNER, EITHER.

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I BELIEVE WITH DOCTORS IN

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CONTROL THAT WE'VE SOLVED A

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MAJOR PROBLEM AND MADE PEOPLE'S

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LIVES A LOT MORE BEARABLE.

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>> AND THE MANAGER OF THE

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CALIFORNIA MARIJUANA CAMPAIGN

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SAYS ANY FEDERAL CRACKDOWN WOULD

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GET IN THE WAY OF THE DOCTOR-

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PATIENT RELATIONSHIP.

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>> WE INTEND TO HELP DOCTORS

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HERE IN CALIFORNIA GO INTO

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FEDERAL COURT AND FILE A LAWSUIT
SEEKING PROTECTION UNDER THE

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FIRST AMENDMENT.

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>> THE ADMINISTRATION SAYS IT
RESPONDED BECAUSE THE NEW LAWS

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POSE A BIG THREAT TO ITS

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STRATEGY OF REDUCING DRUG ABUSE,

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ESPECIALLY AMONG THE YOUNG.

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BUT IT ALSO SAW POLITICAL DANGER

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IN NOT TAKING A FORCEFUL ANTI-

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DRUG POSITION.

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BILL PLANTE, CBS NEWS, AT THE

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WHITE HOUSE.

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>> NEW POLITICAL TROUBLE TODAY

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FOR NEWT GINGRICH OVER ETHICS

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VIOLATIONS.

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FOR THE FIRST TIME, ONE OF THOSE

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CALLING FOR HIM TO STEP ASIDE AS

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>> TOM, THOSE TWO PROPOSITIONS

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, IT'S

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FEARED BY THE WHITE HOUSE THAT

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THEY COULD LITERALLY OPEN THE

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DOOR TO THE LEGALIZATION OF

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MARIJUANA, AND THE WHITE HOUSE

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MOVED TODAY TO SLAM IT SHUT.

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SOME DOCTORS CLAIMS THAT AMONG

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THE MANY MEDICAL BENEFITS

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OF MARIJUANA, SMOKING A JOINT

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CAN HELP COMBAT THE SERIOUS SIDE

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EFFECTS THAT COME WITH

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BUT TODAY, THE CLINTON

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ADMINISTRATION WARNED THAT

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DESPITE THE NEW STATLAWS

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IN CALIFORNIA AND ARIZONA, EVEN

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IF MARIJUANA IS PRESCRIBED

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FOR MEDICINAL PURPOSES, BOTH

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THE DOCTOR AND THE PATIENT ARE

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DOCTORS PRESCRIBING IT COULD

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FACE CRIMINAL PROSECUTION AND

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LOSE THE AUTHORITY TO PRESCRIBE

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ANY MEDICINES.

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ANYONE SELLING IT OR USING IT

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EVEN FOR MEDICINAL PURPOSES

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COULD FACE FEDERAL PROSECUTION.

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FEDERAL WORKERS COULD BE FIRED

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THE PRESIDENT'S DRUG CZAR,

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GENERAL BARRY McCAFFREY,

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DISPUTES THE MEDICAL CLAIMS

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SURROUNDING MARIJUANA.

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>> THIS IS NOT MEDICINE.

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THIS IS A CHEECH AND CHONG SHOW.

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>> Reporter: IN CALIFORNIA,

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SUPPORTERS OF THE PROPOSITION

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CLAIM THE MERE THREAT OF LAL

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ACTION WILL HAVE A CHILLING

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>> THOUSANDS OF PATIENTS

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IN THE STATE WHOSE SUFFERING

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COULD BE ALLEVIATED SOMEWHAT

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BY THIS DRUG WILL NOW NOT BE

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ABLE TO GET IT BECAUSE

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OF THE ADMINISTRATIONS'S SCARE

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TACTICS AGAINST THE MEDICAL

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PROFESSION.

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>> Reporter: IN ARIZONA, ONE

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STATE LAWMAKER CLAIMED PRESIDENT

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RUGS.ON IS ONLY OUT TO CLEANP E

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>> I VOTED FOR BILL CLINTON

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TWICE NOW.

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BUT I THINK HE'S MADE A TACTICAL

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POLITICAL DECISION, THAT HE'S

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01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:53,000
NEVER GONNA BE CAUGHT BEING SOFT

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01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:54,000
ON DOPE.

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>> Reporter: CRITICS IN BOTH

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STATES CLAIM THAT THIS IS

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AN ISSUE OF INDIVIDUAL

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01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:00,000
FOUGHT OUT AND SETTLED

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IN THE COURTS.

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TOM?

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>> THANKS, JIM.

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>>> WHEN WE COME BACK NBC NEWS

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"IN DEPTH" NEW YORK CITY ONCE

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01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:11,000
THE SYMBOLIC CAPITAL OF CRIME

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01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:14,000
NOW SUDDENLY SAFER.

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NOT IN THIS CASE
PHILADELPHIA, BUT PASADENA,

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♪ THE TALE

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DAVID McLEAN WAS ONE OF THE

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ACTORS WHO PORTRAYED THE

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01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:20,000
MARLBORO MAN.

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01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:21,000
IT'S A ROLE HE WAS ONCE PROUD OF

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01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:22,000
SAYS HIS WIDOW, LILO McLEAN.

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>> THE RUGGED COWBOYS SMOKING A

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CIGARETTE AGAINST A SCENIC

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BACKGROUND: ONE OF THE BEST

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CONCEPTS, OR ONE OF THE MOST

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01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:29,000
SUCCESSFUL ONES.

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THE IMAGE LIVES ON.

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BUT THE ORIGINAL MARLBORO MAN,

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DAVID, DIED OF LUNG CANCER.

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>> WHEN LUNG CANCER TOOK DAVID

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01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:45,000
McLEAN'S LIFE LAST YEAR, HE

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BLAMED SMOKING, AT LEAST SOME OF
IT ON THE JOB AS THE MARLBORO

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MAN.

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>> HE TOLD ME THAT HE HAD TO

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SMOKE FOUR, MOSTLY FIVE PACKS,

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OF CIGARETTES FOR EVERY TAKE
BECAUSE THE ASHES HAD TO BE A

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CERTAIN LENGTH, THE SMOKE HAD T

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01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:02,000
CURL A CERTAIN LENGTH.

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01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:09,000
PHILIP MORRIS, AND OTHER TOBACCO

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01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:11,000
COMPANIES FOR CONSPIRACY,

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01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:13,000
CLAIMING THEY KNEW THE RISKS OF

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01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:14,000
SMOKING MORE THAN 30 YEARS AGO.

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>> HE HAD AN ADDICTIVE HABIT FOR
CIGARETTES.

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>> NO EVIDENCE OF MALTREATMENT

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01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:17,000
AFTER DEATH.

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01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:18,000
>> LILO McLEAN ADMITS HER

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01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,000
HUSBAND WAS HOOKED FROM THE TIME

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01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:23,000
HE WAS 12 OR 13.

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01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:28,000
HE OFTEN SMOKED IN HIS MANY

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01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:32,000
MOVIE AND TV ROLES.

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01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:33,000
McLEAN'S LAWYERS WILL ARGUE THAT

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01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:34,000
DAVID McLEAN, ALONG WITH

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01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:35,000
MILLIONS OF OTHER SMOKERS, WAS
INTENTIONALLY ADDICTED BY THE

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01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:36,000
TOBACCO COMPANIES.

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>> TOBACCO IS ADDICTIVE.

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CIGARETTES ARE ADDICTIVE.
IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF FREE

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01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:41,000
CHOICE; IT'S A QUESTION OF BEING
AN ADDICT AND NOT BEING ABLE TO

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01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:42,000
STOP.

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TI.E THI THAT WILL TURN THE

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01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:45,000
>> NONE OF THOSE SUED BY MRS.

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01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:46,000
McLEAN WOULD TALK ON CAMERA.

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01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:48,000
BUT IN ITS LEGAL RESPONSE,
PHILIP MORRIS DENIES THAT

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01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:53,000
CIGARETTES ARE ADDICTIVE.

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01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:54,000
AND THE COMPANY SAYS SMOKERS

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01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:55,000
HAVE BEEN ADEQUATELY WARNED OF

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01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:56,000
WHAT IT CALLS THE ALLEGED

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01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:57,000
DANGERS OF CIGARETTES.

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01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:58,000
IT'S A DEFENSE THAT HAS BROUGHT

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01:14:58,000 --> 01:14:59,000
VICTORY FOR THE TOBACCO

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01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:00,000
COMPANIES IN SOME 800 PREVIOUS

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01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,000
SUITS, SAYS RICHARD KLUGER, WHO

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01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:03,000
HAS WRITTEN A BOOK ON THE

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01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:04,000
TOBACCO WARS.

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01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:07,000
>> YOU'D HAVE TO LIVE ON MARS TO

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01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:08,000
CLAIM YOU DIDN'T KNOW, HADN'T

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01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:10,000
BEEN ADVISED BY THE NEWSPAPERS,

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01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,000
BY THE GOVERNMENT, BY ALL THIS

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01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:13,000
MOUNTAIN OF EVIDENCE JUST HOW

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DANGEROUS SMOKING IS, REGARDLESS

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01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:18,000
OF WHAT THE TOBACCO INDUSTRY DID

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01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:22,000
OR DIDN'T DO, SAY OR DIDN'T SAY.

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>> BUT IN THE CURRENT LEGAL

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01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:26,000
ASSAULT ON TOBACCO, THIS CASE

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01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:28,000
HAS SOMETHING DIFFERENT: THE

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01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:31,000
INDUSTRY'S MOST FAMOUS SYMBOL IS

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01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:32,000
BEING USED AGAINST IT.

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01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:34,000
>> THEY ARE TRYING TO PORTRAY

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01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:36,000
THE MARLBORO MAN AS A VERY TOUGH

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01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:38,000
INDIVIDUAL WHO WOULD DO

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01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,000
ANYTHING-- EXCEPT WHEN HE SMOKES

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01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:44,000
CIGARETTES, THEY DIE.

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01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:46,000
>> WHETHER SHE WINS OR LOSES IN

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01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:48,000
COURT, LILO McLEAN NOW HOPES HER

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01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:50,000
HUSBAND'S IMAGE WILL SHOW THE

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01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:51,000
DANGERS OF CIGARETTES ALONG WITH

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01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:53,000
THE MESSAGE THAT EVEN THE

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01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:55,000
MARLBORO MAN WASN'T STRONG

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01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:58,000
ENOUGH TO QUIT.

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01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:00,000
IN LOS ANGELES, JOHN BLACKSTONE,

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01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:03,000
FOR "EYE ON AMERICA."

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01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:04,000
>> THAT'S THE "CBS EVENING

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NEWS."
FOR DAN RATHER, I'M HARRY SMITH

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IN NEW YORK.

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THANKS FOR BEING WITH US.

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GOOD NIGHT.

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>> GOOD EVENING I'M JOE

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OLIVER.

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>> THE BAY AREA IS STARRING IN

2359
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:09,000
THE HEADLIGHTS OF THE

2360
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:11,000
PINEAPPLE EXPRESS.

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NORTH TO SOUTH PEOPLE

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01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:13,000
I'M JIM LEHRER.

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01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:14,000
ON THE NEWSHOUR TONIGHT:

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01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:16,000
GOVERNOR LOWRY OF WASHINGTON

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01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:18,000
UPDATES THE NORTHWEST STORM;

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01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:19,000
DRUG CZAR BARRY McCAFFREY AND

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01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:21,000
DR. LESTER GRINSPOON DISAGREE

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01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:23,000
ABOUT MARIJUANA AS MEDICINE; TOM

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01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:25,000
BEARDEN REPORTS ON TRAFFIC JAMS

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01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:27,000
IN CYBERSPACE; AND WE GET TWO

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01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:28,000
VIEWS OF THE GUATEMALA PEACE

2372
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:29,000
AGREEMENT.

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01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:30,000
IT ALL FOLLOWS OUR SUMMARY OF

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01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:33,000
THE NEWS THIS MONDAY.

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MAJOR FUNDING FOR THE "NEWSHOUR

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01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:35,000
WITH JIM LEHRER" HAS BEEN

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PROVIDED BY THE ARCHER DANIELS

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MIDLAND COMPANY.

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01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:43,000
ADM: SUPERMARKET TO THE WORLD.

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AND BY NEW YORK LIFE: YET

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01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:45,000
ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF NEW YORK

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01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:46,000
LIFE'S WISE INVESTMENT

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01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:51,000
PHILOSOPHY.

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01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:53,000
AND BY THE CORPORATION FOR

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01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:54,000
PUBLIC BROADCASTING.

2386
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:55,000
AND BY THE ANNUAL FINANCIAL

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01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:59,000
SUPPORT FROM VIEWERS LIKE YOU.

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01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:00,000
>> FEDERAL PROSECUTION WAS

2389
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:02,000
THREATENED TODAY AGAINST DOCTORS

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01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:03,000
WHO PRESCRIBE MARIJUANA FOR

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01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:06,000
MEDICINAL PURPOSES.

2392
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:07,000
THE ANNOUNCEMENT WAS AIMED AT

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01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:08,000
ARIZONA AND CALIFORNIA, WHERE

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01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:09,000
VOTERS RECENTLY APPROVED SUCH

2395
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:11,000
USE.

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01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:13,000
FEDERAL DRUG CZAR BARRY

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01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:14,000
McCAFFREY SAID DOCTORS WHO

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01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,000
PRESCRIBE ILLICIT DRUGS COULD

2399
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:17,000
LOSE THEIR LICENSES AS WELL AS

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01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:19,000
FACE FEDERAL PROSECUTION.

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01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:20,000
HE WAS JOINED AT A NEWS

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01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:22,000
CONFERENCE BY SECRETARY OF

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01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:23,000
HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES DONNA

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01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:24,000
SHALALA AND ATTORNEY GENERAL

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JANET RENO.

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01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:28,000
RENO WAS ASKED HOW THE FEDERAL

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01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:31,000
LAW BANNING MARIJUANA USE WOULD
BE ENFORCED.

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01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:33,000
>> WHAT WE HAVE URGED STATE AND

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01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:35,000
LOCAL OFFICIALS TO DO IS TO

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01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:36,000
UNDERTAKE THESE CASES TO PURSUE

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01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:37,000
THESE CASES, AND TO MAKE

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01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:39,000
ARRESTS, BECAUSE THE LAW IS

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01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:41,000
STILL ON THE BOOKS THAT IT IS

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01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:43,000
UNLAWFUL IN THESE STATES.

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01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:46,000
IF THE DEFENSE IS RAISED, "HEY,

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01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:47,000
A DOCTOR PRESCRIBED THIS

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01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:50,000
SUBSTANCE FOR ME," AND THE

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01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:53,000
PROSECUTOR IN ARIZONA OR

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01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:54,000
CALIFORNIA CONCLUDE THAT THEY

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01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:56,000
CANNOT PROCEED BECAUSE OF THE

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01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:58,000
STATE INITIATIVE, THEN WE WILL

2422
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:00,000
WORK WITH THEM, NUMBER ONE, IN

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01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:02,000
TERMS OF SEIZING THE DRUGS AND

2424
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:03,000
IN REVIEWING WHAT FURTHER ACTION

2425
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:05,000
SHOULD BE TAKEN.

2426
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:06,000
>> WE'LL HAVE MORE ON THIS STORY

2427
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:08,000
LATER IN THE PROGRAM.

2428
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:09,000
NINE DEATHS ARE NOW BLAMED ON

2429
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:10,000
THE WINTER STORMS IN THE PACIFIC

2430
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:15,000
NORTHWEST.

2431
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:17,000
>> NOW A NEW ANTI-MARIJUANA

2432
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:20,000
STRATEGY, AND TO MARGARET
WARNER.

2433
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:21,000
>> THE STRATEGY IS THE CLINTON

2434
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:23,000
ADMINISTRATION'S RESPONSE TO TWO

2435
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:24,000
RECENTLY PASSE@STATE BALLOT

2436
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:25,000
INITIATIVES IN ARIZONA AND

2437
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:28,000
CALIFORNIA.

2438
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:29,000
THE NEW STATE LAWS PERMIT

2439
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:30,000
MARIJUANA AND OTHER ILLEGAL

2440
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:31,000
DRUGS TO BE USED FOR MEDICAL

2441
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:33,000
PURPOSES.

2442
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:35,000
BUT AT A PRESS CONFERENCE TODAY,

2443
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:37,000
ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS SAID

2444
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:38,000
FEDERAL ANTI-DRUG LAW OVERRIDES

2445
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:40,000
STATE LAW IN THIS AREA.

2446
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:41,000
AMONG OTHER STEPS, THEY SAID

2447
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:43,000
WORKERS IN SAFETY-SENSITIVE

2448
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:44,000
AREAS-- WHO CAN BE FIRED NOW IF

2449
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:46,000
THEY TEST POSITIVE FOR DRUG

2450
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:48,000
USE-- MAY NOT USE THE NEW STATE

2451
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:49,000
LAWS AS JUSTIFICATION FOR USING

2452
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:52,000
DRUGS.

2453
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:54,000
THEY ALSO SAID THAT FEDERAL LAW

2454
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:56,000
ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS MAY

2455
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:57,000
PROSECUTE AND SANCTION DOCTORS

2456
01:19:57,000 --> 01:19:58,000
WHO RECOMMEND OR PRESCRIBE THE

2457
01:19:58,000 --> 01:19:59,000
DRUGS.

2458
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:00,000
WE HAVE TWO PERSPECTIVES ON

2459
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,000
TODAY'S ACTION.

2460
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:04,000
WE BEGIN WITH RETIRED GENERAL

2461
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:05,000
BARRY McCAFFREY, DIRECTOR OF THE
OFFICE OF NATIONAL DRUG CONTROL

2462
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:07,000
POLICY.

2463
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:08,000
WELCOME, GENERAL.

2464
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:09,000
>> GOOD TO BE HERE.

2465
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:10,000
>> WHY IS THE ADMINISTRATION

2466
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:12,000
TRYING TO OVERRIDE THESE LAWS

2467
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:13,000
THAT WERE PASSED BY THE VOTERS

2468
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:15,000
IN THESE TWO STATES?

2469
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:17,000
>> WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT TWO

2470
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,000
THINGS, FIRST TO PROTECT THE

2471
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:20,000
MEDICAL SCIENTIFIC PROCESS IN

2472
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:22,000
WHICH I BRING SAFE AND EFFECTIVE

2473
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:23,000
MEDICINE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

2474
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:25,000
AND THAT'S DONE THROUGH A VERY

2475
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:27,000
EFFECTIVE PROCESS OF THE

2476
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:29,000
NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF HEALTH AND

2477
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:30,000
THE FEDERAL FOOD AND DRUG

2478
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:33,000
ADMINISTRATION SO WE THINK

2479
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:36,000
THAT'S IMPORTANT, TO AVOID, TO

2480
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:37,000
NOT HAVE POPULAR REFERENDUMS

2481
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:40,000
THAT DECIDE MEDICINES.

2482
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:41,000
THE SECOND THING WE'RE WORRIED

2483
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:42,000
ABOUT IS DRUG ABUSE.

2484
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:43,000
WE GOT 3.6 MILLION AMERICANS

2485
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:46,000
ADDICTED.

2486
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:47,000
DRUG USE BY YOUNGSTERS IS

2487
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:50,000
SKYROCKETING.

2488
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:54,000
WE THINK THIS PROPOSITION IN

2489
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:56,000
CALIFORNIA AND A SIMILAR ONE IN

2490
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:58,000
ARIZONA THAT APPROVED HEROIN AND

2491
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:01,000
L.S.D. ARE SIMPLY A DISASTER.

2492
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:03,000
WE REALLY DON'T SEE IT AS

2493
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:05,000
MEDICAL ISSUE.
IT'S THE QUASI LEGALIZATION OF

2494
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:07,000
DRUGS.
>> ALL RIGHT.

2495
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:09,000
LET'S LOOK AT THE PRACTICAL
EFFECT ON SOME CATEGORIES OF

2496
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:10,000
WORKERS AND CITIZENS.

2497
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:14,000
FIRST OF ALL, WORKERS IN SAFETY

2498
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:16,000
SENSITIVE AREAS.

2499
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:17,000
EXPLAIN A LITTLE MORE HOW THAT'S

2500
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:18,000
GOING TO WORK.
>> MM-HMM.

2501
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:19,000
WELL, WE BROUGHT TOGETHER MOST

2502
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:21,000
OF THE DEPARTMENTS OF GOVERNMENT

2503
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:23,000
FROM NUCLEAR REGULATORY CONTROL

2504
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:25,000
COMMISSION TO THE DEPARTMENT OF

2505
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:27,000
TRANSPORTATION, TREASURY, HEALTH

2506
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:29,000
AND HUMAN SERVICES, YOU NAME IT,

2507
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:31,000
SO THE COMMUNICATED MESSAGE WAS

2508
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:32,000
THAT IF YOU'RE A FEDERAL WORKER

2509
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:34,000
IN EITHER OF THESE TWO STATES,

2510
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:37,000
OR A CONTRACTOR UNDER THE

2511
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:40,000
FEDERAL DRUG-FREE WORKPLACE ACT,

2512
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:42,000
OR YOU'RE GETTING FEDERAL MONI

2513
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:44,000
MONIES, FOR EXAMPLE, SAY, FROM

2514
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:47,000
DRUG-FREE SCHOOLS, SCHEDULE ONE

2515
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:48,000
DRUGS ARE STILL AGAINST THE LAW,

2516
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:50,000
YOU CAN'T DRIVE A BUS, FLY AN

2517
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:53,000
AIRLINER, BE A NATIONAL GUARD

2518
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:55,000
SERGEANT OR PERFORM SURGERY

2519
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:56,000
WHILE ON MARIJUANA.

2520
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:57,000
>> ALL RIGHT.

2521
01:21:57,000 --> 01:21:59,000
>> WHAT IF, THOUGH, YOU WORK FOR

2522
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:00,000
A COMPANY LIKE... I DON'T WANT

2523
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:01,000
TO NAME A COMPANY, BUT A

2524
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:02,000
MANUFACTURING COMPANY THAT

2525
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:03,000
RECEIVES FEDERAL CONTRACTS?

2526
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:04,000
>> MM-HMM.

2527
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:06,000
>> IS THAT ALSO, AS FAR AS

2528
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:07,000
YOU'RE CONCERNED, NO ONE WHO

2529
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:09,000
WORKS FOR A COMPANY LIKE THAT,

2530
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:10,000
COULD, IF THEY WERE UNDERGOING

2531
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:11,000
CHEMOTHERAPY, LET'S SAY, HAVE

2532
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:12,000
MARIJUANA RECOMMENDED OR USE IT?

2533
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:17,000
>> WELL, AGAIN, LET ME ALSO TELL

2534
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:19,000
YOU THAT CERTAINLY SECRETARY

2535
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:20,000
SHALALA AND I AND THE PRESIDENT

2536
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:23,000
HAVE ABSOLUTE CONFIDENCE THAT

2537
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:24,000
AMERICAN DOCTORS-- WE ARE THE

2538
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:25,000
BEST MEDICAL ESTABLISHMENT ON

2539
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:27,000
THE FACE OF THE EARTH-- WON'T BE

2540
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:28,000
USING THE SCHEDULE-ONE DRUGS AS

2541
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:31,000
A GENERAL RULE.

2542
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:33,000
WE'VE ALSO PROMISED THE AMERICAN

2543
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:34,000
MEDICAL ESTABLISHMENT WE WILL

2544
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:36,000
KEEP THE DOOR OPEN TO EXAMINE

2545
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:38,000
UNDER SCIENTIFIC MEDICAL

2546
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:40,000
PROCESSES THIS DRUG OR ANY OTHER

2547
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:42,000
THAT'S ALLEGED TO HAVE BENEFITS,

2548
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:44,000
SO THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT

2549
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:46,000
WE'LL CONTINUE TO LOOK AT WHAT

2550
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:47,000
MARIJUANA IS ALLEGED TO PROVKQIE

2551
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:50,000
BENEFITS FOR, BUT HAVING SAID

2552
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:51,000
ALL THAT, SCHEDULE-ONE DRUGS ARE

2553
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:56,000
PROHIBITED.

2554
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:01,000
THEY ARE AGAINST THE LAW--
POSSESSION, GROWING AND USE.

2555
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:03,000
>> ALL RIGHT.

2556
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:05,000
AND JUST TO EXPLAIN, SCHEDULE-

2557
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:07,000
ONE DRUGS ARE MARIJUANA?
>> MARIJUANA, HEROIN, L.S.D.

2558
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:09,000
INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, MARGARET,

2559
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:11,000
WHAT ISN'T PROHIBITED ARE

2560
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:12,000
SCHEDULE-TWO DRUGS, WOULD BE

2561
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:15,000
COCAINE AND METHAMPHETAMINE.

2562
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:16,000
THEY ARE BOTH HORRENDOUSLY

2563
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:18,000
DANGEROUS BUT THEY ARE DRUGS

2564
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:23,000
THAT HAVE MEDICAL BENEFITS, SO

2565
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:27,000
THERE'S NO REASON WHY A PROPERTY

2566
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:28,000
LIKE T.H.C. WHICH IS A LEGAL

2567
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:30,000
DRUG, THE ACTIVE INGREDIENT IN

2568
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:31,000
MARIJUANA, CAN'T BE MOVED TO
SCHEDULE TWO.

2569
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:32,000
>> YOU BROUGHT UP THE DOCTORS

2570
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:33,000
AND THAT'S THE OTHER SORT OF
CONTROVERSIAL AREA HERE.

2571
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:34,000
>> MM-HMM.

2572
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:36,000
>> WHAT ARE YOU... WHAT IS GOING

2573
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:38,000
TO BE THE FEDERAL POLICY TOWARDS

2574
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:39,000
DOCTORS WHO NOW ARE RECOMMENDING

2575
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:41,000
TO SOME OF THEIR PATIENTS ON

2576
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:43,000
CHEMOTHERAPY OR AIDS PATIENTS,

2577
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:44,000
OTHER CATEGORIES, RIGHT NOW THEY

2578
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:45,000
ARE RECOMMENDING TO THEM THAT

2579
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:47,000
THEY FIND A WAY TO GET MARIJUANA

2580
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:48,000
AND THAT THEY DO USE IT TO HELP

2581
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:49,000
WITH THEIR TREATMENT IN THESE

2582
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:54,000
OTHER AREAS?

2583
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:56,000
>> WELL, WHAT WE NEED TO

2584
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:58,000
UNDERSCORE IS THAT THE AMERICAN

2585
01:23:58,000 --> 01:23:59,000
MEDICAL ASSOCIATION, THE

2586
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:01,000
CALIFORNIA MEDICAL ASSOCIATION,

2587
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:02,000
OUR DISTINGUISHED FORMER SURGEON

2588
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:05,000
GENERAL C. EVERETT COOP, ACROSS

2589
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:07,000
THE COUNTRY, SERIOUS

2590
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:09,000
PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATIONS OF

2591
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:11,000
AMERICAN MEDICINE OPPOSE THESE

2592
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:13,000
PROPOSITIONS, AND INDEED TODAY

2593
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:15,000
THE A.M.A. RELEASED A PRESS

2594
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:17,000
RELEASE AND STATED THEY SUPPORT

2595
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:20,000
WHAT WE'RE DOING, SO I'M ALMOST

2596
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:21,000
HESITANT TO GET INVOLVED IN AN

2597
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:24,000
ARGUMENT ABOUT THE MEDICAL

2598
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:26,000
DIMENSION TO IT BECAUSE WHAT

2599
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:29,000
CONCERNS US IS LEGALIZATION OF
DRUG AND DRUG ABUSE.

2600
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:30,000
>> LET ME READ TO YOU FROM THIS

2601
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:32,000
PAPERWORK THAT YOU ALL RELEASED

2602
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:34,000
TODAY AND YOU SAID THAT YOU'RE

2603
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:35,000
GOING TO BE SENDING A LETTER TO

2604
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:37,000
ALL STATE MEDICAL BOARDS AND SO
ON...

2605
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:39,000
>> MM-HMM.

2606
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:40,000
>> ...WARNING THAT THE LETTERS

2607
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:42,000
WILL STATE UNEQUIVOCALLY THAT

2608
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:43,000
THE DRUG ENFORCEMENT AGENCY OR

2609
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:45,000
ADMINISTRATION WILL SEEK TO

2610
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:46,000
REVOKE THE D.E.A. REGISTRATION

2611
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:48,000
OF ANY PHYSICIAN WHO RECOMMENDS

2612
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:51,000
OR PRESCRIBES SCHEDULE-ONE

2613
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:52,000
CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES.

2614
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:53,000
>> WELL, LAST YEAR, MARGARET,

2615
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:55,000
THERE WERE 900 PHYSICIANS WHO

2616
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:57,000
DID LOSE THEIR ABILITY TO

2617
01:24:57,000 --> 01:24:58,000
PRESCRIBE SCHEDULE-ONE DRUGS

2618
01:24:58,000 --> 01:24:59,000
BECAUSE OF MISAPPLICATION OF THE

2619
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:01,000
LAW, SO THERE'S NO QUESTION.

2620
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:02,000
THE FEDERAL LAW IS STILL

2621
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:03,000
OPERATIVE.

2622
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:04,000
IT'S NOT AFFECTED BY THE TWO

2623
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:06,000
STATE PROPOSITIONS.

2624
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:07,000
>> THEN HOW ARE SO MANY

2625
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:08,000
DOCTORS-- AND WE'VE SEEN THEM ON

2626
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:10,000
TELEVISION TODAY-- SAYING "I DO

2627
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:12,000
RECOMMEND TO MY PATIENTS THEY

2628
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:13,000
USE IT"?
YOU OBVIOUSLY AREN'T GOING AFTER

2629
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:14,000
ALL DOCTORS NOW?

2630
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:16,000
IS IT GOING TO BE THE SAME LEVEL

2631
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:18,000
OF ENFORCEMENT OR STEPPED-UP
ENFORCEMENT?

2632
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:20,000
>> I DON'T THINK THE STREGY,

2633
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:22,000
FIRST OF ALL, IS NOT AIMED... IT

2634
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:24,000
DOESN'T HAVE A PUNITIVE BASIS TO

2635
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:25,000
IT, AND TO THE EXTENT IT DOES

2636
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:26,000
IT'S NOT AIMED AT ANY ONE

2637
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:28,000
PROFESSION.

2638
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:29,000
WE'RE SAYING TO ALL AMERICANS

2639
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:31,000
THAT IF YOU HAVE THE PUBLIC

2640
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:32,000
SAFETY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IN

2641
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:34,000
YOUR HANDS, DON'T USE SCHEDULE-

2642
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:35,000
ONE DRUGS.

2643
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:36,000
AND OH, BY THE WAY, THEY ARE NOT

2644
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:39,000
A LEGAL MEDICINE.

2645
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:40,000
>> BUT WHAT ARE YOU SAYING TO

2646
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:43,000
DOCTORS WHO SAY IN THEIR MEDICAL

2647
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:46,000
JUDGMENT THEY HAVE CERTAIN

2648
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:47,000
PATIENTS THAT OTHER THERAPIES

2649
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:49,000
CANNOT WORK FOR AND THAT THEIR

2650
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:51,000
OWN MEDICAL JUDGMENT, THEIR OWN

2651
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:53,000
ETHICS TELL THEM I SHOULD

2652
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:55,000
RECOMMEND THAT THEY FIND

2653
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:58,000
MARIJUANA AND USE IT AND TO HELP
THEM WITH THIS?

2654
01:25:58,000 --> 01:25:59,000
>> I WOULD URGE THEM TO LISTEN

2655
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:01,000
TO THE JUDGMENT OF THE AMERICAN

2656
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:02,000
MEDICAL ASSOCIATION AND LISTEN

2657
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:03,000
TO THE VIEWPOINT OF THE NATIONAL

2658
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:04,000
INSTITUTE OF HEALTH AND THE

2659
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:05,000
F.D.A. AND DON'T USE SCHEDULE-

2660
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:08,000
ONE DRUGS.

2661
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:09,000
THEY ARE DANGEROUS AND THEY ARE

2662
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:12,000
ALLEGED BY MEDICAL AUTHORITIES

2663
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:14,000
TO NOT HAVE A BENEFIT, SO THAT'S

2664
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:15,000
REALLY WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
>> AND OTHERWISE, THEY DO RUN

2665
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:16,000
THE RISK OF PROSECUTION.

2666
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:17,000
>> ABSOLUTELY, SURE, OR OF

2667
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:19,000
LOSING THEIR REGISTRATION TO

2668
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:21,000
PRESCRIBE DRUGS.

2669
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:22,000
>> ALL RIGHT.

2670
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:24,000
THANK YOU, GENERAL.

2671
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:25,000
NOW DR. LESTER GRINSPOON, A

2672
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:27,000
PROFESSOR OF PSYCHIATRY AT

2673
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:28,000
HARVARD MEDICAL SCHOOL WHO

2674
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:30,000
CONDUCTS RESEARCH ON SUBSTANCE
ABUSE.

2675
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:31,000
HE ALSO HAS WRITTEN TWO BOOKS ON

2676
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:34,000
THE MEDICAL USE OF MARIJUANA,

2677
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:35,000
THE MOST RECENT BEING

2678
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:36,000
"MARIJUANA: THE FORBIDDEN

2679
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:37,000
MEDICINE."

2680
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:38,000
WELCOME, DR. GRINSPOON.

2681
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:39,000
>> THANK YOU.

2682
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:40,000
>> YOUR REACTION, YOUR

2683
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:41,000
ASSESSMENT OF THIS MOVE BY THE

2684
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:44,000
ADMINISTRATION TODAY?

2685
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:49,000
>> WELL, I THINK IT'S MISTAKEN.

2686
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:54,000
THE FACT IS THE GOVERNMENT IS
HAVING A VERY DIFFICULT TIME

2687
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:57,000
ACCEPTING THE FACT THAT

2688
01:26:57,000 --> 01:26:59,000
MARIJUANA IS USEFUL, VERY USEFUL

2689
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:02,000
AS A MEDICINE, THAT IT IS

2690
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:04,000
REMARKABLY SAFE COMPARED TO MANY

2691
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:05,000
OF THE MEDICINES, THE

2692
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:09,000
CONVENTIONAL MEDICINES IT WILL

2693
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:10,000
DISPLACE, THAT IT IS VERY

2694
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:12,000
VERSATILE.

2695
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:14,000
LIKE PENICILLIN IT HAS MANY

2696
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:16,000
USES, EVERYTHING FROM THE

2697
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:18,000
SYMPTOMATIC TREATMENT OF

2698
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:20,000
GLAUCOMA AND NAUSEA AND

2699
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:21,000
VOMITING, OF CANCER

2700
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:24,000
CHEMOTHERAPY, TO MIGRAINE,

2701
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:28,000
EPILEPWEIGHT REDUCTION

2702
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:29,000
SYNDROME, OF AIDS, ET CETERA, ET

2703
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:32,000
CETERA, AND THIRDLY, ONCE IT

2704
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:35,000
BECOMES AVAILABLE AS A MEDICINE,

2705
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:38,000
AND IS FREE OF THE PROHIBITION

2706
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:40,000
TARIFF, IT WILL BE UNUSUALLY

2707
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:44,000
INEXPENSIVE FOR A MEDICINE.

2708
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:46,000
SO THAT... AND THERE IS JUST NO

2709
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:47,000
QUESTION THAT THE AMERICAN

2710
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:51,000
PEOPLE ARE, AS THEY SEE THIS, AS

2711
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:52,000
THEY HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH

2712
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:54,000
MARIJUANA AS A MEDICINE,

2713
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:57,000
BECOMING INCREASINGLY CONVINCED.

2714
01:27:57,000 --> 01:27:59,000
AND FURTHERMORE, DOCTORS WHO ARE

2715
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:00,000
USUALLY... DOCTORS ARE GETTING A

2716
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:02,000
DRUG EDUCATION ABOUT MARIJUANA

2717
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:05,000
IN A MOST UNUSUAL WAY.

2718
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:07,000
USUALLY DOCTORS LEARN ABOUT NEW

2719
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:09,000
MEDICINES FROM ARTICLES IN

2720
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:11,000
JOURNALS AND ECONOMICALLY DRIVEN

2721
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:12,000
PROMOTIONAL MATERIAL OF THE DRUG

2722
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:16,000
COMPANIES.

2723
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:19,000
IN THIS CASE, SINCE IT'S A DRUG

2724
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:21,000
THAT THE DRUG COMPANIES ARE NOT

2725
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:22,000
INTERESTED IN AND THE DRUG

2726
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:24,000
COMPANIES DON'T SUPPORT THE

2727
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:26,000
RESEARCH THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE

2728
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:29,000
WITH RESPECT TO THIS MEDICINE,

2729
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:30,000
AS THEY DO FOR ALL THE MEDICINES

2730
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:33,000
THAT COME INTO USE IN THIS

2731
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:35,000
COUNTRY, THOSE ARTICLES AND THAT

2732
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:38,000
PROMOTIONAL MATERIAL IS NOT
AVAILABLE.

2733
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:39,000
THE WAY DOCTORS ARE LEARNING

2734
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:41,000
ABOUT MARIJUANA IS THROUGH THEIR

2735
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:43,000
PATIENTS, FOR EXAMPLE, AN AIDS

2736
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:45,000
PATIENT.

2737
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:47,000
HE AND HIS DOCTOR HAVE BEEN

2738
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:49,000
STRUGGLING WITH HIS LOSS OF

2739
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:50,000
WEIGHT, THE WEIGHT REDUCTION

2740
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:51,000
SYNDROME.

2741
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:53,000
HE LEARNS ABOUT MARIJUANA AND

2742
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:54,000
WHAT IT CAN DO HERE.

2743
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:55,000
HE TRIES IT.

2744
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:57,000
HE COMES INTO HIS DOCTOR'S

2745
01:28:57,000 --> 01:28:58,000
OFFICE AND HE SAYS, "LOOK,

2746
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:00,000
DOCTOR, I'VE DISCOVERED A WAY

2747
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:01,000
THAT I CAN ACTUALLY NOT ONLY

2748
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:02,000
STOP LOSING WEIGHT BUT ACTUALLY

2749
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:04,000
GAIN A FEW POUNDS.

2750
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:05,000
LET ME GET ON YOUR SCALE AND

2751
01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:07,000
SHOW YOU."

2752
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:08,000
ONCE HE'S DONE THAT, THE DOCTOR

2753
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:10,000
IS CONVINCED AND THE DOCTOR MAY

2754
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:11,000
VERY WELL TELL HIS OTHER

2755
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:13,000
PATIENTS.

2756
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:14,000
>> ALL RIGHT.

2757
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:15,000
DR. GRINSPOON, WHAT DO YOU THINK

2758
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:16,000
IS GOING TO BE THE PRACTICAL

2759
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:17,000
EFFECT OF TODAY'S ANNOUNCEMENT,

2760
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:18,000
HOWEVER, ON DOCTORS IN THAT

2761
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:19,000
SITUATION?

2762
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:20,000
>> WELL, I THINK THAT IT MAY

2763
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:24,000
INTIMIDATE SOME DOCTORS.

2764
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:26,000
I RECEIVED A FAX TODAY FROM A

2765
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:28,000
DOCTOR OR ABOUT A DOCTOR IN

2766
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:30,000
CALIFORNIA WHO HAD RECOMMENDED

2767
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:31,000
MARIJUANA, BUT BECAUSE HIS

2768
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:32,000
LAWYER URGED HIM IF HE DIDN'T

2769
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:33,000
WANT TO LOSE HIS D.E.A. LICENSE

2770
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:35,000
THAT HE SHOULD SEND REGISTERED

2771
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:36,000
LETTERS TO THOSE PEOPLE

2772
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:41,000
WITHDRAWING THIS RECOMMENDATION.

2773
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:47,000
THAT WOULD BE MOST UNFORTUNATE,

2774
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:50,000
BUT I THINK MANY DOCTORS,

2775
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:52,000
PERHAPS MOST LIKE MYSELF, WILL,

2776
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:56,000
WHEN IT IS CLEARLY THE BEST

2777
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:58,000
MEDICINE FOR A PATIENT TO USE,

2778
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:02,000
WILL CONTINUE TO RECOMMEND, OF

2779
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:03,000
COURSE, TELLING THE PATIENT THAT

2780
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:05,000
IT'S ILLEGAL, CAUTIONING THE

2781
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:08,000
PATIENT THAT HE CANNOT USE IT IN

2782
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:10,000
CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE, FOR

2783
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:12,000
EXAMPLE, HE COULDN'T USE LIQUOR

2784
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:16,000
OR FOR THAT MATTER VALIUM, THAT

2785
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:17,000
WE WILL CONTINUE TO RECOMMEND

2786
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:18,000
MARIJUANA WHERE IT IS

2787
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:22,000
APPROPRIATE.

2788
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:23,000
>> NOW, YOU HEARD GENERAL

2789
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:24,000
McCAFFREY SAY, HOWEVER, THAT THE

2790
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:25,000
A.M.A., AMERICAN MEDICAL

2791
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:26,000
ASSOCIATION, IS SUPPORTIVE OF

2792
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:30,000
THIS ADMINISTRATIVE ACTION.

2793
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:31,000
HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT?

2794
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:32,000
>> WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S

2795
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:33,000
INTERESTING.

2796
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:34,000
I THINK THE A.M.A. IS HAVING A

2797
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:35,000
LITTLE BIT OF A CRISIS, AN

2798
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:39,000
IDENTITY CRISIS ABOUT THIS.

2799
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:43,000
50 YEARS AGO IN 1937, DR.

2800
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:44,000
WOODWARD WAS THE ONE DISSENTING

2801
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:47,000
VOICE IN FRONT OF THE COMMITTEE,

2802
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:52,000
THE CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE,

2803
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:55,000
WHICH HAD THE HEARINGS ON THE

2804
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:56,000
MARIJUANA TAX ACT, THE FIRST OF

2805
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:57,000
THE DRACONIAN LEGISLATION

2806
01:30:57,000 --> 01:31:00,000
AGAINST MARIJUANA, AND THEN

2807
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:02,000
THE... THE A.M.A. WENT INTO A

2808
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:04,000
PERIOD OF... UNTIL PRETTY MUCH

2809
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:06,000
THE PRESENT TIME WHERE THEY WERE

2810
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:10,000
ALLIED WITH THE GOVERNMENT ABOUT

2811
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:12,000
MARIJUANA, BUT, IN FACT, A YEAR

2812
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:14,000
AGO LAST JUNE, THE "JOURNAL OF

2813
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:15,000
THE AMERICAN MEDICAL

2814
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:17,000
ASSOCIATION" PUBLISHED A PIECE

2815
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:20,000
BY MYSELF AND JAMES B. BACCALAR

2816
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:23,000
URGING DOCTORS TO RECONSIDER

2817
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:27,000
MARIJUANA, TO TAKE A LESSON FROM

2818
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:30,000
THEIR 19th CENTURY FOREBEARERS

2819
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:32,000
WHO USED MARIJUANA AS A

2820
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:33,000
MEDICINE, AND TO RECONSIDER ITS

2821
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:38,000
USEFULNESS IN A MODERN LIGHT.

2822
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:41,000
NOW THAT WE KNOW THAT ASPIRIN

2823
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:43,000
AND THE NON-STEROIDAL ANTI-

2824
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:45,000
INFLAMMATORY DRUGS AND

2825
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:47,000
ACETAMINOPHEN, THESE DRUGS, FOR

2826
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:50,000
EXAMPLE, THAT ARE USED IN

2827
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:51,000
OSTEOARTHRITIS FOR PAIN, THERE'S

2828
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:53,000
A PRICE ATTACHED TO THEM.

2829
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:54,000
PEOPLE DIE FROM THE USE OF THESE

2830
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:55,000
DRUGS.

2831
01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:58,000
NO ONE HAS EVER DIED FROM AN

2832
01:31:58,000 --> 01:31:59,000
OVERDOSE OF CANNABIS.

2833
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:00,000
>> LET ME ASK YOU TO EXPLAIN

2834
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:02,000
BRIEFLY BECAUSE WE'RE ALMOST OUT
OF TIME.

2835
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:04,000
TODAY AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE,

2836
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:05,000
GENERAL McCAFFREY AND DONNA

2837
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:07,000
SHALALA-- AND THIS IS NOT AN

2838
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:08,000
EXACT QUOTE-- SAID THAT THERE'S

2839
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:09,000
NOT A BODY OF SCIENTIFIC

2840
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:13,000
MEDICINE THAT DEMONSTRATE ALL

2841
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:16,000
THIS ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE THAT

2842
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:18,000
SOME OF YOU DOCTORS FEEL YOU SEE

2843
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:20,000
OR HAVE SEEN.

2844
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:21,000
WHY IS THAT?

2845
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:22,000
WHY IS THIS STILL SUCH AN OPEN

2846
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:24,000
QUESTION?

2847
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:25,000
>> WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THEY ARE

2848
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:27,000
WRONG IN SAYING THAT.

2849
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:29,000
THERE IS A LOT OF EVIDENCE.

2850
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:31,000
THERE ARE SOME CONTROLLED

2851
01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:34,000
STUDIES, NOT MANY.

2852
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:35,000
THERE WERE THE STUDIES THAT CAME

2853
01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:39,000
OUT IN THE UNITED STATES IN THE

2854
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:40,000
1970'S WHEN IT WAS POSSIBLE, FOR

2855
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:42,000
EXAMPLE, 250 PATIENTS IN NEW

2856
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:45,000
MEXICO WERE STUDIED USING IT FOR

2857
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:47,000
A CANCER CHEMOTHERAPY... FOR THE

2858
01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:49,000
NAUSEA AND VOMITING OF CANCER
CHEMOTHERAPY.

2859
01:32:49,000 --> 01:32:51,000
SECONDLY THERE, ARE A LARGE

2860
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:52,000
NUMBER OF ONE STUDIES, BOTH

2861
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:54,000
COMING FROM EUROPE AND THIS

2862
01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:56,000
COUNTRY, AND THIRDLY, ANECDOTAL

2863
01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:59,000
EVIDENCE IS EVIDENCE.

2864
01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:00,000
IT'S NOT AS GOOD AS THE OTHER

2865
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:02,000
EVIDENCE, BUT MEDICINE...

2866
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:06,000
MEDICINE DEVELOPED LONG BEFORE

2867
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:07,000
ANYBODY KNEW ABOUT THE DOUBLE-

2868
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:12,000
BLIND CONTROL STUDY.

2869
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:15,000
DRUGS LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, CURARE,

2870
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:18,000
ASPIRIN, PENICILLIN, TO NAME A

2871
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:19,000
FEW, CAME INTO MEDICAL PRACTICE

2872
01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:22,000
LONG BEFORE THERE WAS ANY SUCH

2873
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:25,000
THING AS A SO-CALLED SCIENTIFIC,

2874
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:26,000
IF ONE IS USING "SCIENTIFIC" TO

2875
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:27,000
EQUATE WITH LARGE DOUBLE-BLIND

2876
01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:31,000
CONTROL CLINICAL STUDIES.

2877
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:32,000
>> ALL RIGHT.

2878
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:33,000
WELL, DR. GRINSPOON, THANKS VERY
MUCH.

2879
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:35,000
WE HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE.

2880
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:36,000
>> STILL TO COME ON THE NEWSHOUR

2881
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:38,000
TONIGHT, TRAFFIC JAMS IN

2882
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:43,000
CYBERSPACE, AND PEACE IN
GUATEMALA.

2883
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:53,000
>> NOW THOSE NEw TRAFFIC JAMS ON

2884
01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:55,000
THE INFORMATION SUPERHIGHWAY.

2885
01:33:55,000 --> 01:33:58,000
TOM BEARDEN REPORTS.

2886
01:33:58,000 --> 01:33:59,000
>> CYBERSMITH IS THE CUTTING-

2887
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:04,000
EDGE COMPUTER CAFE ON THE EDGE

2888
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:07,000
OF THE HARVARD CAMPUS IN BOSTON.

2889
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:08,000
PEOPLE GO THERE TO CHECK THEIR

2890
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:09,000
E-MAIL OVER LUNCH, TRY OUT THE

2891
01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:11,000
LATEST COMPUTER GAMES, OR TAKE

2892
01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:12,000
CLASSES ON HOW TO SURF THE

2893
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:14,000
INTERNET.

2894
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:15,000
>> LET'S GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE
RESULTS.

2895
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:17,000
GO TO YAHOO.

2896
01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:18,000
>> ONE DAY THIS MONTH,

2897
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:20,000
INSTRUCTOR MICHEL FUGET WAS

2898
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:22,000
TRYING TO SHOW HIS STUDENTS HOW

2899
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:23,000
EASY IT IS TO ACCESS GOVERNMENT

2900
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:25,000
INFORMATION AND WOUND UP

2901
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:27,000
DEMONSTRATING AN INCREASINGLY
COMMON PROBLEM.

2902
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:28,000
EVERY SCREEN IN FRONT OF EVERY

2903
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:29,000
STUDENT FROZE BECAUSE SOME PART

2904
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:33,000
OF THE NETWORK HAD OVERLOADED.

2905
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:34,000
>> AND SO TRAFFIC BECOMES A
PROBLEM.

2906
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:35,000
THAT'S GOING TO BE A REALISTIC

2907
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:36,000
ASPECT.

2908
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:38,000
IN THIS SITUATION I WANTED TO

2909
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:39,000
SHOW YOU A LIST OF ALL THE

2910
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:42,000
FINANCE BILLS, AND WE COULD HAVE

2911
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:43,000
CHOSEN THEM, READ ABOUT THEM,

2912
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:44,000
AND ALSO READ ABOUT EACH

2913
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:45,000
REPRESENTATIVE AND HOW THEY HAVE

2914
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:48,000
VOTED IN THE PAST, AND THEN WE

2915
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:50,000
GOT AN ERROR, COULD NOT CONNECT,

2916
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:51,000
COULD NOT CONTACT THE CONNECTING

2917
01:34:51,000 --> 01:34:52,000
SERVER.

2918
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:53,000
SO IT HAPPENS, AND IN THIS CASE

2919
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:56,000
THERE ISN'T A LOT YOU CAN DO.

2920
01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:57,000
>> FREEZES AND SLOWDOWNS HAVE

2921
01:34:57,000 --> 01:34:59,000
BECOME MUCH MORE COMMON BECAUSE

2922
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:00,000
TRAFFIC ON THE INTERNET IS

2923
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:03,000
GROWING AT A PHENOMENAL RATE.

2924
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:04,000
M.C.I. VICE PRESIDENT VINTON

2925
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:05,000
CERF IS CONSIDERED BY MANY TO BE

2926
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:08,000
THE FATHER OF THE INTERNET.

2927
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:10,000
>> OUR TRAFFIC GROWTH, YOU KNOW,

2928
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:13,000
IS ROUGHLY ABOUT 300% A YEAR.

2929
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:15,000
THAT'S UNDER... ON THE ORDER OF

2930
01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:17,000
10% TO 15% A MONTH, WHICH IS A

2931
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:18,000
VERY RAPID GROWTH, AND NEVER HAS

2932
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:19,000
ANY TELECOMMUNICATIONS SYSTEM

2933
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:23,000
GROWN THIS FAST.

2934
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:25,000
>> TO UNDERSTAND HOW JAM-UPS CAN

2935
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:26,000
OCCUR ON THE INTERNET, IT'S
NECESSARY TO KNOW SOMETHING

2936
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:28,000
ABOUT HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS.

2937
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:29,000
MOST PEOPLE CONNECT TO THE NET

2938
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:34,000
WITH A SIMPLE TELEPHONE CALL.

2939
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:40,000
THE MODEM INSIDE THE COMPUTER

2940
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:41,000
DIALS A LOCAL TELEPHONE NUMBER.

2941
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:42,000
THAT'S WHERE THE FIRST SLOWDOWN

2942
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:44,000
CAN OCCUR.

2943
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:46,000
CALLS TO THE INTERNET ARE

2944
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:49,000
BECOMING A SERIOUS BURDEN ON THE
LOCAL TELEPHONE NETWORK.

2945
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:50,000
JEFFREY WALDHUTER IS THE

2946
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:52,000
DIRECTOR OF RESEARCH AND

2947
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:53,000
DEVELOPMENT FOR NYNEX, WHICH

2948
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:54,000
PROVIDES LOCAL PHONE SERVICE FOR

2949
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:56,000
MUCH OF THE NORTHEASTERN U.S.

2950
01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:58,000
HE SAYS THE PHONE SYSTEM WAS

2951
01:35:58,000 --> 01:36:01,000
DESIGNED TO HANDLE ONLY FAIRLY
BRIEF CONVERSATIONS.

2952
01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:04,000
>> IT WAS BASED ON THE FACT THAT

2953
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:06,000
TYPICAL CALLS WOULD BE FOR FOUR

2954
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:09,000
OR FIVE MINUTES AND THAT THERE

2955
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:11,000
WOULD BE SO MANY CALLS A DAY SO

2956
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:13,000
WE COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF

2957
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:14,000
CONCENTRATION, ASSUMING THEN

2958
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:16,000
THAT NOT EVERYBODY WOULD PICK UP

2959
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:19,000
THE TELEPHONE AT THE SAME TIME
AND MAKE A CALL.

2960
01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:20,000
>> BUT INTERNET TELEPHONE CALLS

2961
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:22,000
CAN OFTEN LAST FOR HOURS.

2962
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:23,000
THEY TIE UP THE LINES AND SOON

2963
01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:25,000
EVERYBODY STARTS GETTING "ALL

2964
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:28,000
CIRCUITS ARE BUSY" MESSAGES.

2965
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:29,000
SOMETIMES THEY CAN'T EVEN GET A

2966
01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:31,000
DIAL TONE.

2967
01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:32,000
IF THE CALL GETS THROUGH, IT'S

2968
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:34,000
CONNECTED TO ANOTHER COMPUTER

2969
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:35,000
CALLED A SERVER AT AN INTERNET

2970
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:36,000
SERVICE PROVIDER, OFTEN

2971
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:39,000
ABBREVIATED AS I.S.P.

2972
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:40,000
SERVERS ARE COMPUTERS THAT

2973
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:41,000
HANDLE LOTS OF CALLS

2974
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:44,000
SIMULTANEOUSLY.

2975
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:45,000
A BOTTLENECK CAN OCCUR HERE

2976
01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:47,000
BECAUSE MANY I.S.P.'S JUST DON'T

2977
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:49,000
HAVE ENOUGH SERVERS TO KEEP UP

2978
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:50,000
WITH DEMAND, AND SINCE MANY

2979
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:51,000
I.S.P.'S NOW OFFER UNLIMITED<&

2980
01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:53,000
ACCESS FOR ABOUT $20 A MONTH,

2981
01:36:53,000 --> 01:36:54,000
USERS HAVE NO INCENTIVE TO EVER

2982
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:58,000
HANG UP.

2983
01:36:58,000 --> 01:36:59,000
TIM JACKSON RUNS A LARGE I.S.P.

2984
01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:00,000
IN MASSACHUSETTS CALLED TIAC,

2985
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:05,000
THE INTERNET ACCESS COMPANY.

2986
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:07,000
>> WELL, THE EXPERIENCE THAT

2987
01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:08,000
WE'VE BEEN HAVING WITH THE

2988
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:09,000
GROWTH IN THE INDUSTRY HAS BEEN

2989
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:10,000
PHENOMENAL.

2990
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:11,000
IT'S BEEN ABOUT 8.5% PER MONTH.

2991
01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:12,000
>> PER MONTH.

2992
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:13,000
>> PER MONTH, YES.

2993
01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:14,000
>> HOW DO YOU KEEP UP WITH THAT?

2994
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:16,000
>> WELL, YOU LEARN TO BE... IT'S

2995
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:17,000
SORT OF LIKE CHANGING A TIRE ON

2996
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:18,000
A CAR THAT'S GOING 60 MILES AN

2997
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:19,000
HOUR.

2998
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:21,000
AT FIRST IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO

2999
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:22,000
SORT OF GET INTO THE SWING OF

3000
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:25,000
THINGS, AND TO BE ABLE TO LEARN

3001
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:26,000
HOW TO DO THINGS AT THAT KIND OF

3002
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:27,000
HIGH SPEED, BUT AFTER A WHILE

3003
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:30,000
YOU BECOME ACCLIMATED TO IT.

3004
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:31,000
>> JACKSON'S OFFICE IS IN AN

3005
01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:33,000
ALMOST CONTINUOUS STATE OF

3006
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:34,000
CONSTRUCTION AS MORE LINES ARE

3007
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:35,000
ADDED AND MORE SPACE IS MADE FOR

3008
01:37:35,000 --> 01:37:38,000
ADDITIONAL SERVERS.

3009
01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:39,000
BUT JACKSON ADMITS THAT SMALLER

3010
01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:41,000
I.S.P.'S AREN'T ALWAYS KEEPING

3011
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:43,000
AHEAD OF DEMAND.

3012
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:44,000
>> YOU HAVE TO BUY SUFFICIENT

3013
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:45,000
MACHINERY IN ORDER TO DO THE

3014
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:47,000
JOB.

3015
01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:48,000
A LOT OF INTERNET PROVIDERS ARE
OUT THERE RUNNING THEIR

3016
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:50,000
BUSINESSES ON PERSONAL COMPUTERS

3017
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:52,000
THAT YOU CAN BUY AT PLACES LIKE

3018
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:53,000
COMPUSA, AND STILL HAVE THE

3019
01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:56,000
GARAGE-SHOP MENTALITY OUT THERE.

3020
01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:57,000
THEY ARE GOING TO BASICALLY BE

3021
01:37:57,000 --> 01:37:58,000
WEANED OUT OVER THE NEXT TWO OR

3022
01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:00,000
THREE YEARS.

3023
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:01,000
>> THE PHONE CALL NEXT TRAVELS

3024
01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:02,000
THROUGH THE SERVER TO WHAT'S

3025
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:03,000
CALLED THE BACKBONE OF THE

3026
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:05,000
INTERNET.

3027
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:06,000
IT'S COMPOSED OF VERY POWERFUL

3028
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:08,000
COMPUTERS INTERCONNECTED BY

3029
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:10,000
HIGH-CAPACITY FIBER-OPTIC

3030
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:11,000
CABLES, WHICH PASS THE TRAFFIC

3031
01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:12,000
TO AND FROM MILLIONS OF

3032
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:16,000
COMPUTERS ALL OVER THE WORLD.

3033
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:17,000
THE BACKBONE IS MAINTAINED BY A

3034
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:18,000
NUMBER OF LARGE COMPANIES,

3035
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:20,000
INCLUDING LONG-DISTANCE PHONE

3036
01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:23,000
COMPANIES LIKE AT&T AND M.C.I.

3037
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:24,000
CERF SAYS SO FAR THEY HAVE BEEN

3038
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:27,000
ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH THE
DEMANDS.

3039
01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:28,000
>> HISTORICALLY WE HAVE DRIVEN

3040
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:31,000
THE INTERNET TO ITS LIMITS, MADE

3041
01:38:31,000 --> 01:38:32,000
IT ALMOST AT THE POINT OF

3042
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:34,000
UNUSEABILITY, AND FORCED

3043
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:36,000
OURSELVES TO INCREASE ITS
CAPACITY.

3044
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:37,000
THAT IS A GOOD PROBLEM TO HAVE,

3045
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:39,000
YOU KNOW.

3046
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:41,000
I'M GLAD TO HAVE PEOPLE FORCING

3047
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:42,000
US TO FIND NEW WAYS TO INCREASE

3048
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:44,000
THE CAPACITY OF THE NET.

3049
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:45,000
>> BUT THE BACKBONE HASN'T BEEN

3050
01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:50,000
COMPLETELY FREE OF PROBLEMS.

3051
01:38:57,000 --> 01:38:58,000
CALLED "POLITICS NOW," OPERATED

3052
01:38:58,000 --> 01:38:59,000
BY THE "WASHINGTON POST," ABC

3053
01:38:59,000 --> 01:39:00,000
NEWS, AND THE NATIONAL JOURNAL.

3054
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:01,000
ON ELECTION NIGHT LAST NOVEMBER,

3055
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:02,000
PART OF THE BACKBONE FAILED AND

3056
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:03,000
CUT OFF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO

3057
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:04,000
WERE TRYING TO LOOK AT ELECTION

3058
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:07,000
RETURNS AT THE SITE.

3059
01:39:07,000 --> 01:39:08,000
EVANS WITT RUNS "POLITICS NOW."

3060
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:09,000
>> IT WAS LITERALLY ONE OF THE

3061
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:10,000
BIG PIPES, ONE OF THE INTERNET

3062
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:12,000
PIPES WHICH SHOULD BE FILLED

3063
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:14,000
WITH NOTHING BUT PURE, CLEAN

3064
01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:15,000
DIGITAL DATA, HAD NOISE ON IT

3065
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:16,000
BECAUSE SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT

3066
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:18,000
WAS HAVING A PROBLEM.

3067
01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:19,000
IT'S A VERY HARD PROBLEM TO

3068
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:20,000
DIAGNOSE.

3069
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:22,000
WHEN THEY DID FIGURE OUT THE

3070
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:25,000
PROBLEM, THEY SHUT THAT CHANNEL

3071
01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:27,000
DOWN, AND BECAUSE INTERNET IS

3072
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:28,000
DESIGNED TO HANDLE SHUTDOWNS

3073
01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:30,000
SUCH AS THAT, THE INTERNET

3074
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:31,000
PICKED UP THE CAPACITY AND YOUR

3075
01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:32,000
UNIT BROUGHT UP SOME BACKUP

3076
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:35,000
FACILITIES TO HANDLE THE LOAD.

3077
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:36,000
>> WHEN A CALL SUCCESSFULLY

3078
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:37,000
TRAVERSES THE BACKNE, IT

3079
01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:38,000
FINALLY REACHES THE SERVER THAT

3080
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:39,000
CONTAINS THE INFORMATION BEING

3081
01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:43,000
SOUGHT.

3082
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:44,000
1ó÷HOKE
POINT.

3083
01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:46,000
JUST LIKE THE FIRST SERVER AT

3084
01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:50,000
THE I.S.P., TOO MANY REQUESTSo

3085
01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:51,000
E SEER MTOóN

3086
01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:52,000
TO NEW REQUESTS, WHICH IS

3087
01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:53,000
PROBABLY WHAT HAPPENED TO THE

3088
01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:57,000
CLqoGç9ES THE SERVER S?

3089
01:39:57,000 --> 01:39:59,000
THERE ARE A FEW REASON

3090
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:00,000
ONE IS THE HARDWARE OR SOFTWARE

3091
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:01,000
OF THE SERVER ISN'T ABLE TO

3092
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:04,000
HANDLE ALL THE REQUESTS OF
INFORMATION FROM THE CLIENT.

3093
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:05,000
>> THE PROBLEMS AT EVERY STAGE

3094
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:08,000
OF THE INTERNET ARE ESCALATING.

3095
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:09,000
HELAINE RAZOVSKY, A UNIVERSITY

3096
01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:10,000
PROFESSOR FROM LOUISIANA WHO

3097
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:12,000
STOPPED BY CYBERSMITH TO CHECK

3098
01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:13,000
HER E-MAIL, SOMETIMES JUST GIVES

3099
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:15,000
UP.

3100
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:17,000
>> IT IS FRUSTRATING.

3101
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:19,000
I HAVE A COUPLE OF TIMES JUST

3102
01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:21,000
TURNED OFF OR LOGGED OUT OFF THE

3103
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:22,000
INTERNET, TURNED OFF THE

3104
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:24,000
COMPUTER, AND DONE SOMETHING

3105
01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:29,000
ELSE, BECAUSE I COULDN'T GET
ANYTHING THAT I WANTED.

3106
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:33,000
>> MOST INDUSTRY OBSERVERS

3107
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:34,000
BELIEVE THESE ARE TRANSITORY

3108
01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:35,000
PROBLEMS THAT WILL BE REMEDIED

3109
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:36,000
BY ADDING MORE COMPUTERS AND

3110
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:37,000
TELEPHONE LINKS.

3111
01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:38,000
BUT IT WILL TAKE TIME, ACCORDING

3112
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:40,000
TO BOB METCALFE, A COLUMNIST FOR

3113
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:41,000
"INFO WORLD," A LEADING COMPUTER

3114
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:43,000
PUBLICATION.

3115
01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:44,000
>> FOR THE NEXT YEAR, I THINK

3116
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:45,000
YOU CAN EXPECT THE INTERNET TO

3117
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:48,000
GET WORSE BEFORE IT GETS BETTER.

3118
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:49,000
THE BOGGING DOWN OF THE NET, THE

3119
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:51,000
SLOWDOWNS, WHAT WE CALL... WE

3120
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:53,000
DON'T CALL IT THE WORLDWIDE WEB

3121
01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:56,000
ANYMORE, WE CALL IT THE

3122
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:57,000
WORLDWIDE WAIT, AND I'VE FORMED

3123
01:40:57,000 --> 01:40:59,000
A NEW CLUB CALLED THE WORLDWIDE

3124
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:00,000
WAIT-WATCHERS CLUB, AND THAT'S

3125
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:02,000
GOING TO GET WORSE.

3126
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:04,000
>> IT WILL ALSO TAKE MONEY.

3127
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:07,000
THE QUESTION IS, WHOSE?

3128
01:41:07,000 --> 01:41:08,000
FOR EXAMPLE, NYNEX' WALDHUTER

3129
01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:09,000
SAYS IT WILL TAKE A MAJOR

3130
01:41:09,000 --> 01:41:11,000
UPGRADE TO THE PHONE SYSTEM.

3131
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:13,000
>> WE WANT TO TAKE THE INTERNET

3132
01:41:13,000 --> 01:41:14,000
TRAFFIC OFF THE EXISTING PHONE

3133
01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:16,000
NETWORK BECAUSE IT WAS NEVER

3134
01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:17,000
INTENDED TO BE THERE, AND PUT IT

3135
01:41:17,000 --> 01:41:19,000
ON A SEPARATE NETWORK, AND TO

3136
01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:20,000
ACHIEVE THAT THERE'S INVESTMENTS

3137
01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:23,000
THAT HAVE TO BE MADE.

3138
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:24,000
>> WALDHUTER THINKS THE I.S.P.'S

3139
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:25,000
OUGHT TO PAY FOR SUCH A NETWORK

3140
01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:27,000
THROUGH USER FEES, BUT MOST

3141
01:41:27,000 --> 01:41:28,000
I.S.P.'S ARE PREPARED TO FIGHT

3142
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:31,000
THAT IDEA TO THE BITTER END.

3143
01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:33,000
METCALFE ALSO THINKS THE BASIC

3144
01:41:33,000 --> 01:41:34,000
SOFTWARE THAT CONTROLS HOW THE

3145
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:36,000
INTERNET TRANSMITS INFORMATION

3146
01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:37,000
HAS BEEN STRETCHED TOO FAR AND

3147
01:41:37,000 --> 01:41:38,000
NEEDS TO BE REENGINEERED AND

3148
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:40,000
REWRITTEN.

3149
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:42,000
UNTIL THAT'S DONE HE PREDICTS

3150
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:43,000
MORE OUTRIGHT FAILURES, LIKE

3151
01:41:43,000 --> 01:41:45,000
THOSE THAT SHUT DOWN NETCOM AND

3152
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:46,000
AMERICA ONLINE EARLIER THIS

3153
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:48,000
YEAR.

3154
01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:49,000
>> I'M NOW SEEING US PREDICTING

3155
01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:50,000
COLLAPSES OF THE INTERNET, BY

3156
01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:52,000
WHICH I MEAN PROLONGED OUTAGES.

3157
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:53,000
THOSE COLLAPSES WILL BE MORE

3158
01:41:53,000 --> 01:41:54,000
FREQUENT, DEEPER, AFFECTING MORE

3159
01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:55,000
PEOPLE, AND THOSE COLLAPSES WILL

3160
01:41:55,000 --> 01:41:59,000
CONTINUE ON THAT TREND UNTIL THE

3161
01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:02,000
BASIC FRAGILITY OF THE NET GETS
FIXED.

3162
01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:03,000
>> VINTON CERF THINKS THE NET IS

3163
01:42:03,000 --> 01:42:05,000
MORE ROBUST THAN THAT.

3164
01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:08,000
>> THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THE

3165
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:09,000
NETWORK IS MADE UP OF ABOUT

3166
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:10,000
200,000 NETS THAT ARE ALL

3167
01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:12,000
INTERCONNECTED AROUND THE WORLD.

3168
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:14,000
THE WHOLE SYSTEM WON'T CRASH

3169
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:15,000
BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, STILL

3170
01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:17,000
GOT SO MANY INDEPENDENT PIECES

3171
01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:19,000
THAT IF ONE GUY GOES DOWN THE

3172
01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:21,000
REST OF THE PIECES JUST KEEP
FUNCTIONING.

3173
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:22,000
>> THE HISTORY OF THE INTERNET

3174
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:23,000
SO FAR HAS BEEN ONE OF BARELY

3175
01:42:23,000 --> 01:42:26,000
CONTROLLED CHAOS.

3176
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:27,000
METCALFE SAYS THE CURRENT

3177
01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:28,000
PROBLEM PROVES IT'S TIME FOR

3178
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:30,000
THAT TO CHANGE.

3179
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:32,000
>> THE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM, I

3180
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:34,000
THINK, THE THING WE SHOULD FIX

3181
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:35,000
FIRST, IS THE PROCESS BY WHICH

3182
01:42:35,000 --> 01:42:37,000
THE INTERNET IS MANAGED.

3183
01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:38,000
AND BASICALLY THE INTERNET IS

3184
01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:40,000
NOT MANAGED.

3185
01:42:40,000 --> 01:42:42,000
THERE IS... THERE ARE SOME

3186
01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:43,000
ATTEMPTS AT IT, BUT THERE'S NO

3187
01:42:43,000 --> 01:42:44,000
SYSTEMATIC WAY BY WHICH THE

3188
01:42:44,000 --> 01:42:46,000
INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS-- AND

3189
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:48,000
THERE ARE ABOUT 4,000 OF THOSE,

3190
01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:50,000
3,000 OR 4,000 OF THOSE IN NORTH

3191
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:52,000
AMERICA-- THERE'S NO PROCESS BY
WHICH THOSE SERVICE PROVIDERS

3192
01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:55,000
COOPERATE.

3193
01:42:55,000 --> 01:42:56,000
>> METCALFE SAYS THE WORST

3194
01:42:56,000 --> 01:42:58,000
POSSIBLE MANAGER WOULD BE THE

3195
01:42:58,000 --> 01:43:00,000
GOVERNMENT BECAUSE IT IS UBLEEP

3196
01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:03,000
WIq]

3197
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:05,000
MOST OF THE OTHER PLAYERS ON THE

3198
01:43:05,000 --> 01:43:07,000
NET AGREE, BUT GIVEN THE ALMOST

3199
01:43:07,000 --> 01:43:08,000
PATHOLOGICALLY INDEPENDENT

3200
01:43:08,000 --> 01:43:11,000
MINDSET OF THOSE PLAYERS, A

3201
01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:15,000
CONSENSUS ON WHERE THE INTERNET

3202
01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:16,000
OUGHT TO GO NEXT WILL BE VERY

3203
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:21,000
HARD TO REACH.

3204
01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:26,000
>> FINALLY TONIGHT, THE PEACE

3205
01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:27,000
ACCORD IN THE CENTRAL AMERICAN

3206
01:43:27,000 --> 01:43:31,000
NATION OF GUATEMALA.

3207
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:32,000
TODAY WHEN YOU GET A PLOT
THAT'S GOT A HUNDRED

3208
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:33,000
PLANTS, THAT'S A PRETTY

3209
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:35,000
SIZABLE PLOT.

3210
01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:36,000
LARRY: TWO MILLION PLANTS

3211
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:41,000
SEIZED IN KENTUCKY OVER THE
PAST DECADE.

3212
01:43:41,000 --> 01:43:43,000
BUT THAT'S ONLY HALF THE
CROP.

3213
01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:48,000
SO WHO'S WINNING THE WAR?

3214
01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:50,000
♪

3215
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:51,000
NATIONWIDE, AFTER MILLIONS

3216
01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:52,000
OF ARRESTS AND BILLIONS OF

3217
01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:54,000
DOLLARS SPENT, MARIJUANA

3218
01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:59,000
USE IS UP AMONG THE YOUNG.

3219
01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:02,000
IT'S STILL GROWN ACROSS THE

3220
01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:03,000
COUNTRY, AND IT'S ABOUT AS

3221
01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:08,000
EASY TO BUY AS A SIX PACK
OF BEER.

3222
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:17,000
BERNIE: WHEN WE COME BACK,

3223
01:44:17,000 --> 01:44:19,000
THIS MAN CLAIMS THE WAR ON
POT TOOK THE LIFE OF THE

3224
01:44:19,000 --> 01:44:21,000
WOMAN HE LOVED.

3225
01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:22,000
>> YOU HAVE CAUSED THE

3226
01:44:22,000 --> 01:44:23,000
DEATH OF THIS LADY, FOR

3227
01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:25,000
WHAT PURPOSE?

3228
01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:30,000
A HANDFUL OF DRIED UP
MARIJUANA LEAVES?

3229
01:44:31,000 --> 01:44:32,000
>> IF A DEFENDANT COMMITS

3230
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:34,000
SUICIDE BECAUSE HE'S BEEN

3231
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:35,000
CONVICTED FOR A CRIME, I

3232
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:36,000
CAN'T TAKE THAT.

3233
01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:41,000
THAT'S NOT MY FAULT.

3234
01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:51,000
BERNIE: "CNN PRESENTS"

3235
01:44:51,000 --> 01:44:52,000
CONTINUES NOW WITH "HIGHER
TIMES."

3236
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:53,000
ONCE AGAIN, HERE'S LARRY

3237
01:44:53,000 --> 01:44:57,000
LAMOTTE.

3238
01:44:57,000 --> 01:45:02,000
>> I'LL STAND BY MAN -- BY

3239
01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:05,000
MY MAN, SHE SAID BEHIND THE

3240
01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:06,000
PRISON ALL WALL.

3241
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:08,000
MESH'S

3242
01:45:08,000 --> 01:45:09,000
LARRY: DORIS GORE LOST HER

3243
01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:10,000
SONS GARY AND STEVE TUCKER

3244
01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:12,000
TO AMERICA'S MARIJUANA WAR.

3245
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:13,000
SHE WROTE A POEM AFTER BOTH

3246
01:45:13,000 --> 01:45:18,000
WERE SENT TO PRISON.

3247
01:45:18,000 --> 01:45:21,000
>> DO NOT DESPAIR, MY
MOTHER, OR BE SO SAD

3248
01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:24,000
WE'RE JUST THE VICTIMS OF

3249
01:45:24,000 --> 01:45:27,000
AMERICA GONE MAD.

3250
01:45:27,000 --> 01:45:29,000
LARRY: HAS AMERICA GONE MAD?

3251
01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:31,000
CRITICS SAY YES, ACCUSING

3252
01:45:31,000 --> 01:45:34,000
THE GOVERNMENT OF BLINDLY

3253
01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:36,000
WRECKING LIVES IN ITS
ANTI-POT FRENZY.

3254
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:37,000
THE TUCKERS ARE AMONG

3255
01:45:37,000 --> 01:45:38,000
THOUSANDS CLAIMING THEY ARE

3256
01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:43,000
NOT CRIMINALS, ONLY VICTIMS.

3257
01:45:43,000 --> 01:45:44,000
>> WE HAD A DREAM TO

3258
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:45,000
OPERATE OUR OWN BUSINESS --

3259
01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:47,000
BE OUR OWN BOSSES.

3260
01:45:47,000 --> 01:45:48,000
LARRY: BEFORE PRISON, THEY

3261
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:49,000
SOLD HYDROPONIC EQUIPMENT

3262
01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:51,000
IN A SUBURBAN ATLANTA STORE

3263
01:45:51,000 --> 01:45:52,000
CALLED "SOUTHERN LIGHTS" --

3264
01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:53,000
EQUIPMENT USED TO GROW

3265
01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:56,000
PLANTS INDOORS.

3266
01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:57,000
MOST HARDWARE STORES CARRY

3267
01:45:57,000 --> 01:45:59,000
THIS KIND OF GEAR.

3268
01:45:59,000 --> 01:46:01,000
BUT THE TUCKERS' STORE

3269
01:46:01,000 --> 01:46:03,000
CAUGHT THE EYE OF THE LAW.

3270
01:46:03,000 --> 01:46:05,000
IT HAD BECOME POPULAR WITH

3271
01:46:05,000 --> 01:46:10,000
POT GROWERS.

3272
01:46:11,000 --> 01:46:14,000
WE HAD TOMATOES GROW, BEANS,

3273
01:46:14,000 --> 01:46:15,000
SQUASH, THOSE TYPES OF

3274
01:46:15,000 --> 01:46:17,000
SUPPLIES.

3275
01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:19,000
>> BUT THE TUCKERS' STORE

3276
01:46:19,000 --> 01:46:20,000
KAUG THE EYE OF THE LAW.

3277
01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:22,000
IT HAD BECOME POPULAR WITH

3278
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:23,000
POTGROWERS.

3279
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:26,000
>> WE GOT A CALL FROM A DEA

3280
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:28,000
OFFICER ONE MORNING THAT

3281
01:46:28,000 --> 01:46:30,000
THEY WANTED PERMISSION FOR

3282
01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:32,000
THEM TO INSTALL SURVEILLANCE

3283
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:34,000
CAMERAS IN OUR STORE.

3284
01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:36,000
WE REFUSED.

3285
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:38,000
WE DIDN'T BLEFB IT WAS RIGHT

3286
01:46:38,000 --> 01:46:40,000
TO SPY ON PEOPLE BECAUSE BY

3287
01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:42,000
FAR, MOST OF OUR CUSTOMERS

3288
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:44,000
WERE LEGITIMATE CUSTOMERS

3289
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:45,000
BUYING OUR EQUIPMENT FOR

3290
01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:46,000
LEGITIMATE NEEDS.

3291
01:46:46,000 --> 01:46:48,000
>> AN

3292
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:49,000
>> WE DID SET UP A
SURVEILLANCE, JUST AN

3293
01:46:49,000 --> 01:46:51,000
NORMAL, EVERYDAY

3294
01:46:51,000 --> 01:46:52,000
OLD-FASHIONED POLICE

3295
01:46:52,000 --> 01:46:54,000
TECHNIQUE TO SEE WHO WAS

3296
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:59,000
GOING INTO THE STORE.

3297
01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:02,000
>> WHEN WE REFUSED TO LET

3298
01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:03,000
THEM INSTALL CAMERAS IN OUR

3299
01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:05,000
STORE, THEY TOLD US THEY

3300
01:47:05,000 --> 01:47:07,000
WERE GOING TO SHUT US DOWN

3301
01:47:07,000 --> 01:47:09,000
AND PUT US IN PRISON.

3302
01:47:09,000 --> 01:47:10,000
LARRY: THE DRUG ENFORCEMENT

3303
01:47:10,000 --> 01:47:11,000
ADMINISTRATION IN ATLANTA

3304
01:47:11,000 --> 01:47:13,000
SPENT OVER $1 MILLION IN A

3305
01:47:13,000 --> 01:47:14,000
MASSIVE INVESTIGATION:

3306
01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:16,000
CASING THE STORE, FOLLOWING

3307
01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:18,000
CUSTOMERS HOME, EVEN GOING

3308
01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:20,000
THROUGH THEIR GARBAGE.

3309
01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:21,000
IT LED TO MORE THAN 70

3310
01:47:21,000 --> 01:47:26,000
INDOOR MARIJUANA GROWERS.

3311
01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:28,000
>> UNDER HERE IS A

3312
01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:29,000
RESERVOIR.

3313
01:47:29,000 --> 01:47:30,000
>> IT'S AN OPERATION RUN

3314
01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:32,000
STRICTLY BY ITSELF ON

3315
01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:33,000
TIMERS.

3316
01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:35,000
>> THE DEA SIMPLY MADE THIS

3317
01:47:35,000 --> 01:47:36,000
OUT TO BE -- YOU WOULD HAVE

3318
01:47:36,000 --> 01:47:38,000
THOUGHT IT WAS SOME KIND OF

3319
01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:40,000
AL CAP OWN SYNDICATE, YOU

3320
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:43,000
KNOW, THE WAY THEY ACTED.

3321
01:47:43,000 --> 01:47:44,000
>> THIS IS A RECEIPT FROM

3322
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:45,000
SOUTHERN LIGHTS AND

3323
01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:46,000
HYDROPONICS.

3324
01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:47,000
LARRY: SELLING HYDROPONIC

3325
01:47:47,000 --> 01:47:49,000
EQUIPMENT IS NOT ILLEGAL.
BUT WERE THE TUCKERS

3326
01:47:49,000 --> 01:47:51,000
SOMEHOW INVOLVED IN GROWING
MARIJUANA?

3327
01:47:51,000 --> 01:47:52,000
>> THE TUCKERS WERE

3328
01:47:52,000 --> 01:47:53,000
INTIMATELY AND PERSONALLY
INVOLVED NOT ONLY IN THE

3329
01:47:53,000 --> 01:47:54,000
SELLING OF THE EQUIPMENT,

3330
01:47:54,000 --> 01:47:55,000
BUT SPECIFICALLY PROVIDING

3331
01:47:55,000 --> 01:47:57,000
INFORMATION TO CUSTOMERS ON

3332
01:47:57,000 --> 01:48:02,000
HOW TO GROW MARIJUANA.

3333
01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:05,000
>> IT'S ABSOLUTELY

3334
01:48:05,000 --> 01:48:06,000
OUTRAGEOUS.

3335
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:07,000
LARRY: GARY TUCKER, A

3336
01:48:07,000 --> 01:48:08,000
DECORATED VIETNAM VET WITH
NO PREVIOUS CRIMINAL

3337
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:09,000
RECORD, SAYS THAT'S NOT

3338
01:48:09,000 --> 01:48:10,000
TRUE.

3339
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:11,000
>> IF A CUSTOMER CAME IN

3340
01:48:11,000 --> 01:48:12,000
AND BLATANTLY TOLD US THAT

3341
01:48:12,000 --> 01:48:13,000
HE WANTED TO GROW

3342
01:48:13,000 --> 01:48:14,000
MARIJUANA, THEN WE'D ASK

3343
01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:17,000
HIM TO LEAVE THE STORE.

3344
01:48:17,000 --> 01:48:18,000
LARRY: EVENTUALLY, THE DEA

3345
01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:22,000
RAIDED THE TUCKERS' HOMES.

3346
01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:23,000
>> THE GOVERNMENT TOOK OUR

3347
01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:25,000
HOUSE, OUR BUSINESS, OUR

3348
01:48:25,000 --> 01:48:27,000
VEHICLES AND ALL OUR MONEY.

3349
01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:28,000
THEY IMMEDIATELY BANKRUPTED

3350
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:30,000
US.

3351
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:31,000
LARRY: BUT THE DEA FOUND

3352
01:48:31,000 --> 01:48:35,000
NOTHING.

3353
01:48:35,000 --> 01:48:38,000
>> THE DEA DID NOT DISCOVER
ANY ACTUAL MARIJUANA AT THE

3354
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:39,000
TUCKERS HOME NOR IN THEIR

3355
01:48:39,000 --> 01:48:43,000
STORE.e

3356
01:48:43,000 --> 01:48:44,000
LARRY: SOME OF THE TUCKERS'

3357
01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:46,000
CUSTOMERS INVESTIGATED BY
THE DEA SAID THE TUCKERS

3358
01:48:46,000 --> 01:48:47,000
DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THEIR

3359
01:48:47,000 --> 01:48:50,000
HOME POT GARDENS.

3360
01:48:50,000 --> 01:48:51,000
ONE WAS PAUL WESTMORELAND,

3361
01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:52,000
IN PRISON FOR THE MARIJUANA

3362
01:48:52,000 --> 01:48:54,000
HE GREW.

3363
01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:58,000
>> I TOLD THEM THAT THE

3364
01:48:58,000 --> 01:49:01,000
-- WHEN THE DEA CALLED ME

3365
01:49:01,000 --> 01:49:03,000
INTO THEIR OFFICE WHEN I

3366
01:49:03,000 --> 01:49:04,000
PLED GUILTY, ONCE AGAIN I

3367
01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:07,000
TOLD THEM THE TUCKERS KNEW

3368
01:49:07,000 --> 01:49:08,000
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT
WHAT THEY WERE DOING.

3369
01:49:08,000 --> 01:49:09,000
I DIDN'T KNOW THE TUCKERS.

3370
01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:10,000
THEY REPEATEDLY TOLD ME

3371
01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:11,000
THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO

3372
01:49:11,000 --> 01:49:14,000
HELP ME, BUT I JUST WASN'T

3373
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:16,000
TELLING THEM ANYTHING THAT

3374
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:17,000
THEY COULD USE.

3375
01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:18,000
WELL, THE CLEAR MESSAGE

3376
01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:19,000
WAS, IF I CHANGED MY STORY,

3377
01:49:19,000 --> 01:49:23,000
THEY WOULD KNOCK SOME TIME
OFF OF MY SENTENCE.

3378
01:49:23,000 --> 01:49:24,000
LARRY: WESTMORELAND'S
TESTIMONY WAS NOT ALLOWED

3379
01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:25,000
IN COURT.

3380
01:49:25,000 --> 01:49:26,000
BUT SOME OTHER GROWERS WHO

3381
01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:28,000
SHOPPED AT THE TUCKERS'

3382
01:49:28,000 --> 01:49:30,000
STORE DID TESTIFY AGAINST

3383
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:34,000
THEM IN EXCHANGE FOR
SHARPLY REDUCED SENTENCES.

3384
01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:35,000
THEY STATED, UNDER OATH,

3385
01:49:35,000 --> 01:49:36,000
THAT THE TUCKERS GAVE THEM

3386
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:37,000
GROWING ADVICE AND

3387
01:49:37,000 --> 01:49:39,000
MARIJUANA SEEDS.

3388
01:49:39,000 --> 01:49:40,000
FOR THAT, GARY, HIS WIFE

3389
01:49:40,000 --> 01:49:41,000
JOANN, AND STEVE, A FATHER

3390
01:49:41,000 --> 01:49:43,000
OF TWO, GOT MANDATORY

3391
01:49:43,000 --> 01:49:45,000
PRISON SENTENCES OF 10 TO

3392
01:49:45,000 --> 01:49:46,000
16 YEARS EACH, WITH NO

3393
01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:49,000
PAROLE.

3394
01:49:49,000 --> 01:49:50,000
>> IN CHOOSING TO GET

3395
01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:52,000
ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN A

3396
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:53,000
CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, THEY PUT

3397
01:49:53,000 --> 01:49:55,000
THEMSELVES IN JEOPARDY AND

3398
01:49:55,000 --> 01:49:56,000
THEY HAVE RECEIVED A

3399
01:49:56,000 --> 01:50:01,000
PRESCRIBED SENTENCE, WHICH
IS CERTAINLY FAIR.

3400
01:50:01,000 --> 01:50:02,000
LARRY: JULIE STEWART SAYS

3401
01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:03,000
IT'S NOT FAIR FOR THOUSANDS

3402
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:06,000
OF AMERICANS.

3403
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:07,000
SHE FOUNDED A GROUP CALLED,

3404
01:50:07,000 --> 01:50:08,000
"FAMILIES AGAINST MANDATORY

3405
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:09,000
MINIMUMS" AFTER HER BROTHER

3406
01:50:09,000 --> 01:50:11,000
WAS SENTENCED TO FIVE YEARS

3407
01:50:11,000 --> 01:50:12,000
IN PRISON WITHOUT PAROLE

3408
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:15,000
FOR GROWING.

3409
01:50:15,000 --> 01:50:16,000
>> THE SENTENCES FOR

3410
01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:17,000
MARIJUANA DEFENDANTS ARE

3411
01:50:17,000 --> 01:50:19,000
LONGER THAN THAT FOR
MANSLAUGHTER.

3412
01:50:19,000 --> 01:50:20,000
THE AVERAGE MARIJUANA

3413
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:21,000
DEFENDANT SERVES JUST OVER

3414
01:50:21,000 --> 01:50:22,000
FOUR YEARS IN PRISON.

3415
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:23,000
AND THE AVERAGE

3416
01:50:23,000 --> 01:50:24,000
MANSLAUGHTER IS 12 MONTHS,

3417
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:27,000
WHICH IS ONE YEAR.

3418
01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:30,000
I THINK IT'S RIDICULOUS.

3419
01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:31,000
>> I TRY HARD, AND I CAN'T

3420
01:50:31,000 --> 01:50:33,000
FIGURE HOW SOCIETY HAS

3421
01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:35,000
BENEFITED FROM WHAT'S BEEN

3422
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:40,000
DONE.

3423
01:50:41,000 --> 01:50:43,000
I HAVE NEVER IN MY ENTIRE

3424
01:50:43,000 --> 01:50:44,000
LIFE COMMITTED A CRIME.

3425
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:45,000
HERE I AM IN PRISON FOR 10

3426
01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:47,000
YEARS, WHILE MY FAMILY

3427
01:50:47,000 --> 01:50:52,000
STRUGGLES AND MY KIDGROW
UP WITHOUT A DAD.

3428
01:50:55,000 --> 01:50:57,000
>> MANDATORY MINIMUM

3429
01:50:57,000 --> 01:51:01,000
SENTENCES.
ONE LEGAL ISSUE.

3430
01:51:01,000 --> 01:51:02,000
THIS CASE RAISES NEITHER IS

3431
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:03,000
YOU HAVE CAUSED THE DEATH OF

3432
01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:05,000
THIS LADY FOR WHAT PURPOSE?

3433
01:51:05,000 --> 01:51:07,000
A HANDFUL OF DRIED UP

3434
01:51:07,000 --> 01:51:08,000
MARIJUANA LEAVES?

3435
01:51:08,000 --> 01:51:11,000
THAT'S ALL IT'S ABOUT.

3436
01:51:11,000 --> 01:51:13,000
A HANDFUL OF DRIED HERB

3437
01:51:13,000 --> 01:51:14,000
LEAVES.

3438
01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:16,000
LARRY: BYRON STAMATE BLAMES
THE GOVERNMENT FOR THE

3439
01:51:16,000 --> 01:51:18,000
DEATH OF HIS COMMON-LAW
WIFE, SHIRLEY DORSEY.

3440
01:51:18,000 --> 01:51:19,000
SYMPATHIZERS SAY SHE IS A

3441
01:51:19,000 --> 01:51:20,000
MARTYR IN AMERICA'S FAILING

3442
01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:25,000
WAR ON POT.

3443
01:51:25,000 --> 01:51:27,000
>> I SEARCHED ALL OVER.

3444
01:51:27,000 --> 01:51:29,000
I WENT DOWN BY THE POND AND

3445
01:51:29,000 --> 01:51:30,000
I COULDN'T FIND HER.

3446
01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:32,000
I WALKED HERE AND I SAW HER

3447
01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:33,000
BODY LYING HERE.

3448
01:51:33,000 --> 01:51:36,000
AT THIS POINT, I SAW HER.

3449
01:51:36,000 --> 01:51:39,000
AND SHE HAD FALLEN HERE.

3450
01:51:39,000 --> 01:51:42,000
I FOUND THAT SHE HAD -- THEY

3451
01:51:42,000 --> 01:51:43,000
HAD FIRED A BULLET IN HER

3452
01:51:43,000 --> 01:51:47,000
CHEST.
>> ON APRIL 1ST, 1991

3453
01:51:47,000 --> 01:51:48,000
SHIRLEY DORSEY TOOK HER OWN

3454
01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:49,000
LIFE RATHER THAN TESTIFY

3455
01:51:49,000 --> 01:51:51,000
AGAINST BYRON STAYMATE.

3456
01:51:51,000 --> 01:51:52,000
HE WAS CAUGHT GROWING
MARIJUANA FOR HER TO USE AS

3457
01:51:52,000 --> 01:51:53,000
A PAINKILLER.

3458
01:51:53,000 --> 01:51:54,000
>> I CAME BACK IN THE HOUSE

3459
01:51:54,000 --> 01:51:55,000
FROM FINDING HER.

3460
01:51:55,000 --> 01:51:56,000
I SAW THESE PAPERS SHE HAD

3461
01:51:56,000 --> 01:51:57,000
MADE AND PUT OUT FOR ME.

3462
01:51:57,000 --> 01:51:58,000
LARRY: THE PAPERS WERE

3463
01:51:58,000 --> 01:51:59,000
SUBPOENAS FOR SHIRLEY TO

3464
01:51:59,000 --> 01:52:01,000
TESTIFY, FROM THE DISTRICT

3465
01:52:01,000 --> 01:52:02,000
ATTORNEY IN PLACERVILLE,

3466
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:03,000
CALIFORNIA.

3467
01:52:03,000 --> 01:52:05,000
>> SHE TOLD ME AFTER SHE

3468
01:52:05,000 --> 01:52:06,000
RECEIVED THE FIRST ONE,

3469
01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:07,000
"LET THEM SEND ALL THEY

3470
01:52:07,000 --> 01:52:08,000
WANT, I WILL NEVER TESTIFY
AGAINST YOU IN COURT.

3471
01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:13,000
I WILL DIE FIRST."

3472
01:52:17,000 --> 01:52:18,000
>> HE'S A CRIMINAL.

3473
01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:21,000
>> THIS DEPUTY DA PROSECUTED

3474
01:52:21,000 --> 01:52:22,000
THE CASE.

3475
01:52:22,000 --> 01:52:24,000
POLICE HAD RAIDED THE

3476
01:52:24,000 --> 01:52:26,000
COUPLE'S HOME AND FOUND 160

3477
01:52:26,000 --> 01:52:27,000
YOUNG MARIJUANA PLANTS.

3478
01:52:27,000 --> 01:52:29,000
>> HE INTENTIONALLY WENT OUT

3479
01:52:29,000 --> 01:52:30,000
AND VIOLATED THE LAWS OF

3480
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:31,000
STATE OF CALIFORNIA.

3481
01:52:31,000 --> 01:52:32,000
BYRON STAMATE WAS ARRESTED

3482
01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:33,000
FOR CULTIVATION OF

3483
01:52:33,000 --> 01:52:34,000
MARIJUANA AND POSSESSION OF

3484
01:52:34,000 --> 01:52:35,000
MARIJUANA FOR SALE.

3485
01:52:35,000 --> 01:52:36,000
LARRY: STAMATE SAYS HE GREW

3486
01:52:36,000 --> 01:52:37,000
THE PLANTS TO MAKE INTO

3487
01:52:37,000 --> 01:52:39,000
MARIJUANA BUTTER.

3488
01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:40,000
SHIRLEY USED IT TO EASE HER

3489
01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:41,000
BACK PAIN FROM AN AUTO

3490
01:52:41,000 --> 01:52:43,000
ACCIDENT.

3491
01:52:43,000 --> 01:52:44,000
>> IT WAS HELPING HER.

3492
01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:46,000
THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT
THAT.

3493
01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:47,000
LARRY: THE DISTRICT
ATTORNEY SAYS BYRON HAD TOO

3494
01:52:47,000 --> 01:52:48,000
MANY PLANTS FOR PERSONAL

3495
01:52:48,000 --> 01:52:50,000
USE.

3496
01:52:50,000 --> 01:52:51,000
AND HE WASN'T SWAYED BY

3497
01:52:51,000 --> 01:52:53,000
STAMATE'S BACKGROUND.

3498
01:52:53,000 --> 01:52:54,000
A RETIRED MECHANICAL

3499
01:52:54,000 --> 01:52:55,000
ENGINEER WITH THE FEDERAL

3500
01:52:55,000 --> 01:52:56,000
AVIATION ADMINISTRATION,

3501
01:52:56,000 --> 01:52:58,000
THROUGHOUT HIS 75 YEARS,

3502
01:52:58,000 --> 01:53:00,000
BYRON HAD NEVER SO MUCH AS

3503
01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:05,000
HAD A SPEEDING TICKET.

3504
01:53:05,000 --> 01:53:07,000
>> I HAVE NEVER HARMED

3505
01:53:07,000 --> 01:53:08,000
SOCIETY IN ANY WAY.

3506
01:53:08,000 --> 01:53:09,000
>> YOU BROKE THE LAW WITH

3507
01:53:09,000 --> 01:53:13,000
MARIJUANA.

3508
01:53:13,000 --> 01:53:15,000
>> I DON'T CONSIDER THAT
BEING A CRIMINAL, ONLY

3509
01:53:15,000 --> 01:53:16,000
SUPPORTING A BETTER QUALITY

3510
01:53:16,000 --> 01:53:18,000
OF LIFE FOR ME AND MY WIFE.

3511
01:53:18,000 --> 01:53:19,000
LARRY: A DRUG TASK FORCE

3512
01:53:19,000 --> 01:53:21,000
SEIZED THE ELDERLY COUPLE'S
PROPERTY.

3513
01:53:21,000 --> 01:53:23,000
NEARLY $200,000 WORTH OF

3514
01:53:23,000 --> 01:53:24,000
BYRON'S STOCKS AND BONDS

3515
01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:26,000
WERE PROMPTLY CONFISCATED

3516
01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:27,000
AND SOLD, EVEN BEFORE A

3517
01:53:27,000 --> 01:53:30,000
FAIR TRIAL.

3518
01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:31,000
UNDER THE NATION'S DRUG

3519
01:53:31,000 --> 01:53:33,000
LAWS, THE COUNTY COULD KEEP

3520
01:53:33,000 --> 01:53:35,000
MOST OF BYRON'S ASSETS IF

3521
01:53:35,000 --> 01:53:39,000
HE WAS FOUND GUILTY OF
SELLING MARIJUANA.

3522
01:53:39,000 --> 01:53:40,000
DOCUMENTS SHOW THE COUNTY

3523
01:53:40,000 --> 01:53:42,000
HAD ALREADY BUDGETED THE

3524
01:53:42,000 --> 01:53:43,000
MONEY, HOPING TO BUY NEW

3525
01:53:43,000 --> 01:53:44,000
BOMB DETECTION EQUIPMENT

3526
01:53:44,000 --> 01:53:46,000
AND POLICE CARS.

3527
01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:47,000
BUT THERE WAS ONE MAJOR

3528
01:53:47,000 --> 01:53:48,000
PROBLEM: THE GOVERNMENT

3529
01:53:48,000 --> 01:53:49,000
DIDN'T HAVE A CASE FOR

3530
01:53:49,000 --> 01:53:52,000
SELLING POT.

3531
01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:53,000
>> TO PROSECUTE SOMEBODY ON

3532
01:53:53,000 --> 01:53:56,000
SALES, YOU HAVE TO HAVE

3533
01:53:56,000 --> 01:53:58,000
EITHER SOMEBODY SEE THE

3534
01:53:58,000 --> 01:53:59,000
SALE OR SOMEBODY WHO BOUGHT

3535
01:53:59,000 --> 01:54:03,000
FROM MR. STAMATE.

3536
01:54:03,000 --> 01:54:04,000
WE HAD NEITHER ONE.

3537
01:54:04,000 --> 01:54:05,000
LARRY: THAT WAS NOT

3538
01:54:05,000 --> 01:54:06,000
SURPRISING TO TOM DALY,

3539
01:54:06,000 --> 01:54:07,000
PUBLISHER OF THE LOCAL

3540
01:54:07,000 --> 01:54:08,000
PAPER, WHO INVESTIGATED THE

3541
01:54:08,000 --> 01:54:11,000
CASE.

3542
01:54:11,000 --> 01:54:12,000
>> I TURNED EVERY ROCK YOU
COULD POSSIBLY TURN OVER,

3543
01:54:12,000 --> 01:54:14,000
INCLUDING THE SHERIFFS, AND

3544
01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:16,000
ON THE RECORD AND OFF THE

3545
01:54:16,000 --> 01:54:18,000
RECORD THEY TOLD ME THERE

3546
01:54:18,000 --> 01:54:21,000
WAS NOT A SHRED OF EVIDENCE

3547
01:54:21,000 --> 01:54:22,000
THAT THIS MAN WAS DEALING

3548
01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:26,000
TO ANYONE, EVER.

3549
01:54:26,000 --> 01:54:27,000
LARRY: BYRON SERVED 4

3550
01:54:27,000 --> 01:54:28,000
MONTHS IN JAIL FOR GROWING

3551
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:29,000
MARIJUANA.

3552
01:54:29,000 --> 01:54:30,000
THE COURTS LATER GAVE HIS

3553
01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:32,000
MONEY BACK, BUT THEY KEPT

3554
01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:34,000
HIS HOUSE.

3555
01:54:34,000 --> 01:54:37,000
AFTER LEGAL FEES, HE WAS
ALMOST BANKRUPT.

3556
01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:38,000
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF

3557
01:54:38,000 --> 01:54:40,000
PROPERTY AND ASSETS LIKE

3558
01:54:40,000 --> 01:54:45,000
BYRON STAMATE'S ARE SEIZED
EVERY YEAR.

3559
01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:48,000
>> THE POLICE SAW ASSETS AND

3560
01:54:48,000 --> 01:54:49,000
THEY TARGETED THE PEOPLE

3561
01:54:49,000 --> 01:54:50,000
BECAUSE OF THOSE ASSETS.

3562
01:54:50,000 --> 01:54:51,000
BRENDA GRANTLAND, ONE OF

3563
01:54:51,000 --> 01:54:52,000
STAMATE'S ATTORNEYS,

3564
01:54:52,000 --> 01:54:53,000
REPRESENTS A NATIONAL
ORGANIZATION CONCERNED WITH

3565
01:54:53,000 --> 01:54:54,000
FORFEITURE CASES.

3566
01:54:54,000 --> 01:54:55,000
>> 70% TO 80% OF THE

3567
01:54:55,000 --> 01:54:56,000
VICTIMS OF FORFEITURE WERE

3568
01:54:56,000 --> 01:54:57,000
NEVER CHARGED WITH ANY

3569
01:54:57,000 --> 01:55:00,000
CRIME.

3570
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:01,000
IT'S NOT NECESSARY THAT

3571
01:55:01,000 --> 01:55:02,000
YOU'RE GUILTY OF ANYTHING

3572
01:55:02,000 --> 01:55:03,000
BEFORE YOUR PROPERTY CAN BE

3573
01:55:03,000 --> 01:55:06,000
SEIZED.

3574
01:55:06,000 --> 01:55:07,000
>> BYRON'S CASE IS ONE OF
THE WORST EXAMPLES OF A

3575
01:55:07,000 --> 01:55:09,000
TRAGEDY.

3576
01:55:09,000 --> 01:55:10,000
YOU KNOW, HERE'S AN OLD

3577
01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:12,000
COUPLE AND A FRAIL

3578
01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:13,000
INDIVIDUAL WHO IS FORCED TO

3579
01:55:13,000 --> 01:55:15,000
SUICIDE BY JUST THE

3580
01:55:15,000 --> 01:55:18,000
RELENTLESS TORMENT THAT

3581
01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:20,000
FORFEITURE PUTS YOU THROUGH.

3582
01:55:20,000 --> 01:55:21,000
>> YOU KNOW, IF SHIRLEY

3583
01:55:21,000 --> 01:55:22,000
DORSEY, FOR WHATEVER

3584
01:55:22,000 --> 01:55:23,000
REASONS, COMMITTED SUICIDE,

3585
01:55:23,000 --> 01:55:25,000
I KNOW I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING

3586
01:55:25,000 --> 01:55:27,000
TO HER TO FORCE HER TO

3587
01:55:27,000 --> 01:55:30,000
COMMIT SUICIDE.

3588
01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:31,000
>> I HATE FOR TO THINK OF

3589
01:55:31,000 --> 01:55:32,000
THE PERIOD WHERE SHE WENT

3590
01:55:32,000 --> 01:55:35,000
THROUGH SUCH DEPRESSION AND

3591
01:55:35,000 --> 01:55:36,000
FEAR THAT SHE HAD TO END

3592
01:55:36,000 --> 01:55:41,000
HER LIFE.

3593
01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:44,000
I WORKED ALL MY LIFE FOR

3594
01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:45,000
SOMEONE TO COME ALONG,

3595
01:55:45,000 --> 01:55:48,000
CHARGE US WITH A CRIME,

3596
01:55:48,000 --> 01:55:49,000
WHICH WOULD TOTALLY DESTROY

3597
01:55:49,000 --> 01:55:54,000
OUR LIVES.

3598
01:55:56,000 --> 01:55:58,000
>>> WHEN "CNN PRESENTS"
CONTINUES, THEY CLAIM THEY

3599
01:55:58,000 --> 01:56:00,000
SMOKE POT FOR MEDICAL
REASONS.

3600
01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:01,000
>> IT HELPS THE PAIN GO

3601
01:56:01,000 --> 01:56:03,000
AWAY.

3602
01:56:03,000 --> 01:56:04,000
IT TAKES MY MIND OFF THE

3603
01:56:04,000 --> 01:56:06,000
PAIN.

3604
01:56:06,000 --> 01:56:07,000
>> THE GOVERNMENT CONSIDERS

3605
01:56:07,000 --> 01:56:08,000
THEM CRIMINALS.

3606
01:56:08,000 --> 01:56:09,000
>> WE HAVE A STANDARD IN

3607
01:56:09,000 --> 01:56:11,000
THIS COUNTRY FOR MEDICINES,

3608
01:56:11,000 --> 01:56:13,000
AND THAT'S NOT IT.

3609
01:56:13,000 --> 01:56:14,000
>> SHOULD POT BE AVAILABLE

3610
01:56:14,000 --> 01:56:19,000
AT YOUR PHARMACY?

3611
01:56:39,000 --> 01:56:40,000
BERNIE: SINCE WE FIRST

3612
01:56:40,000 --> 01:56:41,000
BROADCAST "HIGHER TIMES," A

3613
01:56:41,000 --> 01:56:42,000
LOT HAS HAPPENED CONCERNING

3614
01:56:42,000 --> 01:56:43,000
THE MEDICAL USE OF

3615
01:56:43,000 --> 01:56:45,000
MARIJUANA.

3616
01:56:45,000 --> 01:56:47,000
IN NOVEMBER, VOTERS IN
CALIFORNIA AND ARIZONA

3617
01:56:47,000 --> 01:56:50,000
SUPPORTED, BY LARGE
MARGINS, MEASURES RELAXING

3618
01:56:50,000 --> 01:56:51,000
RESTRICTIONS ON POT FOR

3619
01:56:51,000 --> 01:56:53,000
SICK PEOPLE.

3620
01:56:53,000 --> 01:56:54,000
BUT MARIJUANA IS STILL

3621
01:56:54,000 --> 01:56:57,000
ILLEGAL UNDER FEDERAL LAW.

3622
01:56:57,000 --> 01:56:58,000
PRESIDENT CLINTON'S DRUG

3623
01:56:58,000 --> 01:57:00,000
POLICY DIRECTOR, RETIRED

3624
01:57:00,000 --> 01:57:01,000
ARMY GENERAL BARRY

3625
01:57:01,000 --> 01:57:02,000
MCCAFFREY, SAYS THE VOTES

3626
01:57:02,000 --> 01:57:03,000
SEND A "DISASTROUS MESSAGE"

3627
01:57:03,000 --> 01:57:05,000
TO YOUNG PEOPLE.

3628
01:57:05,000 --> 01:57:07,000
HE PREDICTS INCREASED ABUSE

3629
01:57:07,000 --> 01:57:08,000
OF ALL ILLEGAL DRUGS, NOT

3630
01:57:08,000 --> 01:57:09,000
JUST MARIJUANA, BECAUSE OF

3631
01:57:09,000 --> 01:57:11,000
THE NEW LAWS.

3632
01:57:11,000 --> 01:57:13,000
THE VOTES UNDERSCORE THE

3633
01:57:13,000 --> 01:57:16,000
ONGOING NATIONAL DEBATE ON
THE SUBJECT: IS MARIJUANA A

3634
01:57:16,000 --> 01:57:18,000
MEDICINE?

3635
01:57:18,000 --> 01:57:20,000
AND WHAT OF THE PEOPLE WHO

3636
01:57:20,000 --> 01:57:21,000
CLAIM TO SMOKE POT TO
RELIEVE PAIN AND SUFFERING?

3637
01:57:21,000 --> 01:57:24,000
SHOULD THEY BE ARRESTED?

3638
01:57:24,000 --> 01:57:25,000
WE BEGIN OUR STORY AT THE

3639
01:57:25,000 --> 01:57:27,000
CANNABIS BUYERS' CLUB IN

3640
01:57:27,000 --> 01:57:30,000
SAN FRANCISCO.

3641
01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:31,000
CALIFORNIA'S ATTORNEY

3642
01:57:31,000 --> 01:57:32,000
GENERAL SHUT IT DOWN SOME

3643
01:57:32,000 --> 01:57:35,000
MONTHS AFTER OUR VISIT, BUT

3644
01:57:35,000 --> 01:57:36,000
THAT WAS BEFORE CALIFORNIA
VOTERS APPROVED MEDICAL

3645
01:57:36,000 --> 01:57:38,000
MARIJUANA.

3646
01:57:38,000 --> 01:57:39,000
ONCE AGAIN, HERE'S LARRY

3647
01:57:39,000 --> 01:57:41,000
LAMOTTE, WITH SOME OF THE

3648
01:57:41,000 --> 01:57:42,000
LAST TELEVISION FOOTAGE

3649
01:57:42,000 --> 01:57:47,000
SHOT AT THE BUYERS' CLUB.

3650
01:57:48,000 --> 01:57:49,000
>>> I DON'T SMOKE NOWHERE
NEAR AS MUCH AS I USED TO.

3651
01:57:49,000 --> 01:57:50,000
I USED TO GO THROUGH AN

3652
01:57:50,000 --> 01:57:55,000
OUNCE A WEEK, MAN -- BY
MYSELF.

3653
01:57:55,000 --> 01:57:56,000
>> BOWL AFTER BOWL AFTER

3654
01:57:56,000 --> 01:57:57,000
BOWL.

3655
01:57:57,000 --> 01:57:58,000
LARRY: THESE PEOPLE ARE

3656
01:57:58,000 --> 01:57:59,000
LAWBREAKERS.

3657
01:57:59,000 --> 01:58:04,000
>> SMELL THEM ALL, BUT BUY
THE BEST.

3658
01:58:05,000 --> 01:58:07,000
>> WHAT DO WE HAVE IN THE

3659
01:58:07,000 --> 01:58:08,000
GOODY SECTION?

3660
01:58:08,000 --> 01:58:09,000
LARRY: THIS IS THEIR

3661
01:58:09,000 --> 01:58:10,000
SANCTUARY: THE CANNABIS
BUYERS CLUB IN SAN

3662
01:58:10,000 --> 01:58:11,000
FRANCISCO.

3663
01:58:11,000 --> 01:58:12,000
MORE THAN 3,000 MEMBERS BUY

3664
01:58:12,000 --> 01:58:13,000
AND SMOKE HIGH GRADE

3665
01:58:13,000 --> 01:58:14,000
MARIJUANA.

3666
01:58:14,000 --> 01:58:15,000
>> IT HELPS THE PAIN GO

3667
01:58:15,000 --> 01:58:18,000
AWAY.

3668
01:58:18,000 --> 01:58:19,000
IT TAKES MY MIND OFF THE

3669
01:58:19,000 --> 01:58:22,000
PAIN.

3670
01:58:22,000 --> 01:58:23,000
LARRY: BUT THE MEMBERSHIP

3671
01:58:23,000 --> 01:58:24,000
REQUIREMENT IS TOUGH.

3672
01:58:24,000 --> 01:58:25,000
A DOCTOR MUST CERTIFY THAT

3673
01:58:25,000 --> 01:58:26,000
APPLICANTS ARE SICK, OR

3674
01:58:26,000 --> 01:58:29,000
DYING.

3675
01:58:29,000 --> 01:58:30,000
THIS CLUB IS GROUND ZERO --

3676
01:58:30,000 --> 01:58:32,000
THE HEART OF A NATIONAL

3677
01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:34,000
MOVEMENT TO LEGALIZE

3678
01:58:34,000 --> 01:58:35,000
MARIJUANA FOR VARIOUS

3679
01:58:35,000 --> 01:58:37,000
ILLNESSES INCLUDING AIDS,

3680
01:58:37,000 --> 01:58:38,000
CANCER, GLAUCOMA AND

3681
01:58:38,000 --> 01:58:43,000
MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS.

3682
01:58:44,000 --> 01:58:45,000
>> ESSENTIALLY EVERYONE HERE

3683
01:58:45,000 --> 01:58:47,000
WANTS TO LIVE.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE LIVE

3684
01:58:47,000 --> 01:58:48,000
WE DON'T WANT YOU HERE, BUT

3685
01:58:48,000 --> 01:58:49,000
I KNOW THAT YOU DO.

3686
01:58:49,000 --> 01:58:50,000
DENNIS PERON IS THE FOUNDER

3687
01:58:50,000 --> 01:58:51,000
OF THE CLUB.

3688
01:58:51,000 --> 01:58:54,000
>> AND IF YOU WANT TO BUST

3689
01:58:54,000 --> 01:58:56,000
>> LIKE ROSA PARKS I'M NOT

3690
01:58:56,000 --> 01:58:58,000
GOING TO GET IN THE BACK OF

3691
01:58:58,000 --> 01:58:59,000
THE BUS AND WAIT AND SEE MY

3692
01:58:59,000 --> 01:59:01,000
FRIENDS DIE WHILE YOU GUYS

3693
01:59:01,000 --> 01:59:02,000
DECIDE WHETHER IT'S A GOOD

3694
01:59:02,000 --> 01:59:03,000
OR BAD DRUG.

3695
01:59:03,000 --> 01:59:04,000
>> DOCTORS ARGUE ABOUT IT.

3696
01:59:04,000 --> 01:59:05,000
>> MARIJUANA WILL NEVER BE

3697
01:59:05,000 --> 01:59:07,000
USED AS A MEDICINE.

3698
01:59:07,000 --> 01:59:08,000
>> THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE
OUT THERE WHO ARE SUFFERING

3699
01:59:08,000 --> 01:59:09,000
BECAUSE THEY ARE BEING

3700
01:59:09,000 --> 01:59:11,000
DENIED THIS SUBSTANCE.

3701
01:59:11,000 --> 01:59:13,000
IT'S TOO UNSTABLE.
IT'S TOO UNPREDICTABLE.

3702
01:59:13,000 --> 01:59:14,000
LARRY: SO WHY NOT FIND OUT

3703
01:59:14,000 --> 01:59:15,000
WHETHER THERE ARE MEDICAL

3704
01:59:15,000 --> 01:59:17,000
BENEFITS TO MARIJUANA?

3705
01:59:17,000 --> 01:59:18,000
RENWNED AIDS RESEARCHER

3706
01:59:18,000 --> 01:59:21,000
DR. DONALD ABRAMS WANTED TO.

3707
01:59:21,000 --> 01:59:23,000
HE PROPOSED A PILOT STY.

3708
01:59:23,000 --> 01:59:25,000
IT WAS OKAYED BY THE FDA,

3709
01:59:25,000 --> 01:59:26,000
THEN KILLED BY THE FINAL

3710
01:59:26,000 --> 01:59:28,000
AUTHORITY: THE GOVERNMENT'S

3711
01:59:28,000 --> 01:59:30,000
NATIONAL INSTITUTE ON DRUG

3712
01:59:30,000 --> 01:59:31,000
ABUSE, NIDA.

3713
01:59:31,000 --> 01:59:32,000
>> WE TRIED HARD TO FIND A

3714
01:59:32,000 --> 01:59:33,000
REASON TO PROVIDE THE

3715
01:59:33,000 --> 01:59:34,000
RESOURCE, BUT THE STUDY WAS

3716
01:59:34,000 --> 01:59:36,000
FLAWED AND I COULDN'T

3717
01:59:36,000 --> 01:59:38,000
JUSTIFY USING OUR SCARCE

3718
01:59:38,000 --> 01:59:41,000
RESOURCES FOR A STUDY THAT

3719
01:59:41,000 --> 01:59:42,000
I KNEW WASN'T GOING TO SHOW
WHAT IT SAID IT WAS GOING

3720
01:59:42,000 --> 01:59:44,000
TO SHOW.

3721
01:59:44,000 --> 01:59:45,000
LARRY: BUT HOW COULD
DR. ABRAMS FOUL UP

3722
01:59:45,000 --> 01:59:46,000
SOMETHING AS BASIC AS A

3723
01:59:46,000 --> 01:59:49,000
PILOT STUDY PROPOSAL?

3724
01:59:49,000 --> 01:59:50,000
HE'S WRITTEN UP TO 50 OTHER

3725
01:59:50,000 --> 01:59:51,000
CLINICAL TRIALS.

3726
01:59:51,000 --> 01:59:52,000
SOME OF THOSE LED TO

3727
01:59:52,000 --> 01:59:53,000
NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED FDA

3728
01:59:53,000 --> 01:59:56,000
APPROVED TREATMENTS.

3729
01:59:56,000 --> 01:59:57,000
>> I BELIEVE THAT NIDA WAS

3730
01:59:57,000 --> 01:59:59,000
REALLY USING SCIENCE AS AN

3731
01:59:59,000 --> 02:00:01,000
EXCUSE FOR THE UNDERLYING

3732
02:00:01,000 --> 02:00:03,000
POLITICAL ISSUE THAT WILL

3733
02:00:03,000 --> 02:00:06,000
NOT ALLOW THEM TO SUPPLY

3734
02:00:06,000 --> 02:00:07,000
MARIJUANA TO A STUDY THAT

3735
02:00:07,000 --> 02:00:09,000
MAY SHOW MEDICAL BENEFIT.

3736
02:00:09,000 --> 02:00:10,000
LARRY: NIDA BELIEVES POT IS

3737
02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:11,000
DANGEROUS.

3738
02:00:11,000 --> 02:00:12,000
SO HOW COULD IT EVER

3739
02:00:12,000 --> 02:00:14,000
APPROVE MEDICAL MARIJUANA?

3740
02:00:14,000 --> 02:00:15,000
IN FACT, NIDA'S FIRST

3741
02:00:15,000 --> 02:00:17,000
DIRECTOR SAYS THE ISSUE IS

3742
02:00:17,000 --> 02:00:19,000
A FRONT FOR THE MOVEMENT TO

3743
02:00:19,000 --> 02:00:22,000
LEGALIZE ALL POT.

3744
02:00:22,000 --> 02:00:25,000
>> THE WAY THEY WANT TO DO
THATS GET SICK MEDICAL

3745
02:00:25,000 --> 02:00:26,000
PATIENTS SMOKING MARIJUANA

3746
02:00:26,000 --> 02:00:28,000
ON TELEVISION, AND IN THE

3747
02:00:28,000 --> 02:00:29,000
PUBLIC MIND AS A WAY OF

3748
02:00:29,000 --> 02:00:32,000
ESSENTIALLY NORMALIZING,

3749
02:00:32,000 --> 02:00:33,000
DESTIGMATIZING MARIJUANA

3750
02:00:33,000 --> 02:00:36,000
USE.

3751
02:00:36,000 --> 02:00:38,000
THAT'S THEIR STRATEGY.

3752
02:00:38,000 --> 02:00:40,000
>> LET ME TRY AN EIGHTH OF

3753
02:00:40,000 --> 02:00:43,000
THE A PLUS.

3754
02:00:43,000 --> 02:00:44,000
LARRY: KEVIN GAST, A

3755
02:00:44,000 --> 02:00:45,000
SUCCESSFUL SAN FRANCISCO

3756
02:00:45,000 --> 02:00:47,000
HOTEL EXECUTIVE, KNOWS WHAT

3757
02:00:47,000 --> 02:00:49,000
HIS OWN EXPERIENCE SHOWS.

3758
02:00:49,000 --> 02:00:51,000
LIKE ALL OF THE OTHER CLUB

3759
02:00:51,000 --> 02:00:52,000
MEMBERS, HE'S ILL: HIV

3760
02:00:52,000 --> 02:00:57,000
POSITIVE.

3761
02:00:57,000 --> 02:00:58,000
>> BASICALLY ANYTHING I DO

3762
02:00:58,000 --> 02:00:59,000
FROM BRUSHING MY TEETH TO

3763
02:00:59,000 --> 02:01:00,000
JUST TURNING ON THE WATER

3764
02:01:00,000 --> 02:01:05,000
MAKES ME WRETCH.

3765
02:01:05,000 --> 02:01:06,000
THAT'S EXTREMELY PAINFUL

3766
02:01:06,000 --> 02:01:08,000
BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT GOES

3767
02:01:08,000 --> 02:01:09,000
ON FOR 15 MINUTES WHERE I

3768
02:01:09,000 --> 02:01:11,000
JUST CAN'T CATCH MY BREATH.

3769
02:01:11,000 --> 02:01:13,000
LARRY: YET, KEVIN IS

3770
02:01:13,000 --> 02:01:14,000
LIFE BECAUSE HE'S FOUND A

3771
02:01:14,000 --> 02:01:16,000
WAY TO EASE THE NAUSEA AND

3772
02:01:16,000 --> 02:01:20,000
PAIN: MARIJUANA.

3773
02:01:20,000 --> 02:01:21,000
>> IT REALLY HELPS, KIND

3774
02:01:21,000 --> 02:01:23,000
OF, TAME ME DOWN AND, OF

3775
02:01:23,000 --> 02:01:25,000
COURSE, STIMULATE THE
APPETITE.

3776
02:01:25,000 --> 02:01:27,000
LARRY: CRITICS SAY PEOPLE

3777
02:01:27,000 --> 02:01:31,000
LIKE KEVIN SHOULD BE USING
A LEGAL DRUG CALLED MARINOL.

3778
02:01:31,000 --> 02:01:32,000
>> THE THC PART OF

3779
02:01:32,000 --> 02:01:34,000
MARIJUANA IS AVAILABLE IN

3780
02:01:34,000 --> 02:01:36,000
PILLS NOW FOR AIDS PATIENTS.

3781
02:01:36,000 --> 02:01:37,000
AND IT DOES RELIEVE AIDS

3782
02:01:37,000 --> 02:01:39,000
WASTING.

3783
02:01:39,000 --> 02:01:40,000
LARRY: KEVIN DID TRY
MARINOL.

3784
02:01:40,000 --> 02:01:42,000
>> IT WAS JUST VERY SCARY

3785
02:01:42,000 --> 02:01:43,000
BECAUSE IT WAS SO INTENSE

3786
02:01:43,000 --> 02:01:45,000
AND IT CAME ON SO QUICKLY.

3787
02:01:45,000 --> 02:01:48,000
I MEAN, IT BASICALLY

3788
02:01:48,000 --> 02:01:50,000
INCAPACITATED ME.

3789
02:01:50,000 --> 02:01:51,000
I COULD NOT DO ANYTHING.

3790
02:01:51,000 --> 02:01:53,000
I COULD NOT HOLD A
CONVERSATION.

3791
02:01:53,000 --> 02:01:54,000
LARRY: SO, KEVIN SMOKED POT

3792
02:01:54,000 --> 02:01:56,000
DURING THE FIRST TWO YEARS

3793
02:01:56,000 --> 02:01:57,000
OF HIS ILLNESS, STAYED

3794
02:01:57,000 --> 02:01:59,000
PRODUCTIVE AND RECEIVED

3795
02:01:59,000 --> 02:02:00,000
MORE JOB PROMOTIONS THAN

3796
02:02:00,000 --> 02:02:04,000
ANYTIME IN HIS CAREER.

3797
02:02:04,000 --> 02:02:09,000
HOW MUCH NAUSEA HAVE YOU

3798
02:02:09,000 --> 02:02:10,000
LARRY: KEVIN'S DOCTOR,

3799
02:02:10,000 --> 02:02:12,000
MARCUS CONANT, RECOMMENDS

3800
02:02:12,000 --> 02:02:13,000
POT FOR MANY OF HIS 3,000

3801
02:02:13,000 --> 02:02:16,000
AIDS PATIENTS.

3802
02:02:16,000 --> 02:02:17,000
>> WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT

3803
02:02:17,000 --> 02:02:18,000
IS USING A DRUG THAT IS

3804
02:02:18,000 --> 02:02:20,000
SAFE AND EFFECTIVE, IN

3805
02:02:20,000 --> 02:02:22,000
PEOPLE WHO HAVE A SERIOUS

3806
02:02:22,000 --> 02:02:23,000
LIFE THREATENING DISEASE,

3807
02:02:23,000 --> 02:02:24,000
TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF

3808
02:02:24,000 --> 02:02:29,000
THEIR LIFE.

3809
02:02:29,000 --> 02:02:31,000
>> WE HAVE A STANDARD IN

3810
02:02:31,000 --> 02:02:33,000
THIS COUNTRY FOR MEDICINES.

3811
02:02:33,000 --> 02:02:34,000
THAT'S NOT IT.

3812
02:02:34,000 --> 02:02:35,000
IT'S NOT THAT A DOCTOR FEELS

3813
02:02:35,000 --> 02:02:36,000
IT'S A GOOD IDEA.

3814
02:02:36,000 --> 02:02:37,000
IT'S THAT IT MEETS THE
STANDARD AND GOES THROUGH

3815
02:02:37,000 --> 02:02:38,000
THE FDA AND ALL OF THE

3816
02:02:38,000 --> 02:02:39,000
PROCEDURES THAT ARE NEEDED.

3817
02:02:39,000 --> 02:02:40,000
LARRY: BUT DR. CONANT IS

3818
02:02:40,000 --> 02:02:42,000
NOT ACTING IN ISOLATION.

3819
02:02:42,000 --> 02:02:44,000
A 1990 HARVARD SURVEY OF

3820
02:02:44,000 --> 02:02:47,000
CANCER SPECIALISTS IN

3821
02:02:47,000 --> 02:02:48,000
AMERICA REVEALED ALMOST

3822
02:02:48,000 --> 02:02:49,000
HALF OF THEM ADVISED THEIR

3823
02:02:49,000 --> 02:02:50,000
PATIENTS TO SMOKE POT FOR

3824
02:02:50,000 --> 02:02:52,000
RELIEF OF NAUSEA AND PAIN.

3825
02:02:52,000 --> 02:02:53,000
IN SAN FRANCISCO,

3826
02:02:53,000 --> 02:02:54,000
DR. CONANT EVEN TELLS HIS

3827
02:02:54,000 --> 02:02:57,000
PATIENTS WHERE TO GET IT.

3828
02:02:57,000 --> 02:02:58,000
AND WHERE IS THAT?

3829
02:02:58,000 --> 02:02:59,000
AND THAT'S THE BUYER'S

3830
02:02:59,000 --> 02:03:03,000
CLUB, WHICH IS DOWN ON
MARKET STREET.

3831
02:03:03,000 --> 02:03:06,000
>> HI.
CAN I SEE YOUR CARD PLEASE?

3832
02:03:06,000 --> 02:03:11,000
GO AHEAD.

3833
02:03:11,000 --> 02:03:12,000
I THINK WE GOT TO GO FOR
THE BEST STUFF FOR YOU

3834
02:03:12,000 --> 02:03:17,000
TODAY.
>> I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.

3835
02:03:18,000 --> 02:03:20,000
>> AAA, CALIFORNIA GREEN.

3836
02:03:20,000 --> 02:03:23,000
>> DEFINITELY.

3837
02:03:23,000 --> 02:03:25,000
>> I HAVE PERSONALLY LOST

3838
02:03:25,000 --> 02:03:26,000
200 CLOSE FRIENDS WHO HAVE

3839
02:03:26,000 --> 02:03:29,000
DIED AGONIZING DEATHS.

3840
02:03:29,000 --> 02:03:31,000
MARIJUANA HELPED MANY OF

3841
02:03:31,000 --> 02:03:33,000
THEM AND I'M GLAD BECAUSE I

3842
02:03:33,000 --> 02:03:34,000
KNOW THAT THIS WORKS FOR

3843
02:03:34,000 --> 02:03:37,000
THEM AND IS BEING DENIED TO

3844
02:03:37,000 --> 02:03:40,000
THEM FOR PURELY POLITICAL

3845
02:03:40,000 --> 02:03:41,000
PURPOSES AND THEY ARE USING

3846
02:03:41,000 --> 02:03:43,000
PATIENTS, MY FRIENDS, AS

3847
02:03:43,000 --> 02:03:45,000
PAWNS ON THIS PHONY WAR ON

3848
02:03:45,000 --> 02:03:50,000
MARIJUANA.

3849
02:03:51,000 --> 02:03:53,000
[MUSIC]
♪.

3850
02:03:53,000 --> 02:03:55,000
>> THERE ARE DOZENS OF OTHER

3851
02:03:55,000 --> 02:03:57,000
UNDERGROUND CLUBS ACROSS
AMERICA.

3852
02:03:57,000 --> 02:03:58,000
>> YOU SHOULD HAVE ANYTHING

3853
02:03:58,000 --> 02:04:00,000
AVAILABLE THAT WILL HELP,

3854
02:04:00,000 --> 02:04:02,000
ANYONE THAT'S ILL.
I DON'T CARE WHAT IT IS.

3855
02:04:02,000 --> 02:04:05,000
>> IF YOU HAD ANY OTHER NAME

3856
02:04:05,000 --> 02:04:06,000
BESIDES MARIJUANA IT WOULD
BE TOTALLY LEGAL.

3857
02:04:06,000 --> 02:04:11,000
>> IN 1988 AFTER HEARINGS A

3858
02:04:11,000 --> 02:04:13,000
JUDGE FOR THE DRUG

3859
02:04:13,000 --> 02:04:14,000
ENFORCEMENT ADMINISTRATION

3860
02:04:14,000 --> 02:04:15,000
RECOMMENDED MARIJUANA BE

3861
02:04:15,000 --> 02:04:16,000
LEGALIZED.

3862
02:04:16,000 --> 02:04:17,000
THE DEA OVERRULED HIM.

3863
02:04:17,000 --> 02:04:18,000
>> THERE'S NO WAY MARIJUANA

3864
02:04:18,000 --> 02:04:19,000
OR ANY OTHER SMOKED LEAF OR

3865
02:04:19,000 --> 02:04:21,000
PRODUCT LIKE THAT WILL EVER

3866
02:04:21,000 --> 02:04:22,000
BE A MEDICINE IN THE UNITED

3867
02:04:22,000 --> 02:04:23,000
STATES OR ANYPLACE IN THE

3868
02:04:23,000 --> 02:04:24,000
DEVELOPED WORLD.

3869
02:04:24,000 --> 02:04:25,000
>> WE ARE AT WAR WITH OUR

3870
02:04:25,000 --> 02:04:26,000
OWN PEOPLE, AND THAT'S NOT

3871
02:04:26,000 --> 02:04:28,000
RIGHT.

3872
02:04:28,000 --> 02:04:29,000
NOW WE ARE AT WAR WITH SICK

3873
02:04:29,000 --> 02:04:34,000
PEOPLE, AND THAT'S REALLY
NOT RIGHT.

3874
02:04:37,000 --> 02:04:38,000
BERNIE: JUST DAYS AGO THE

3875
02:04:38,000 --> 02:04:40,000
CLINTON ADMINISTRATION
LAUNCHED A FULL FRONTAL

3876
02:04:40,000 --> 02:04:41,000
ASSAULT ON THE CALIFORNIA

3877
02:04:41,000 --> 02:04:42,000
AND ARIZONA MEDICAL

3878
02:04:42,000 --> 02:04:43,000
MARIJUANA INITIATIVES.

3879
02:04:43,000 --> 02:04:44,000
THE CAMPAIGN OFFERS A FEW

3880
02:04:44,000 --> 02:04:45,000
NOT-SO-GENTLE REMINDERS TO

3881
02:04:45,000 --> 02:04:46,000
DOCTORS WHO RECOMMEND POT:

3882
02:04:46,000 --> 02:04:48,000
THAT UNDER FEDERAL LAW,

3883
02:04:48,000 --> 02:04:49,000
THEY COULD LOSE THEIR

3884
02:04:49,000 --> 02:04:50,000
PRESCRIPTION-WRITING

3885
02:04:50,000 --> 02:04:53,000
PRIVILEGES, OR EVEN FACE
CRIMINAL CHARGES.

3886
02:04:53,000 --> 02:04:54,000
>> HERE'S WHAT WE'RE

3887
02:04:54,000 --> 02:04:55,000
WORRIED ABOUT: THIS IS NOT

3888
02:04:55,000 --> 02:04:57,000
A MEDICAL PROPOSITION, THIS

3889
02:04:57,000 --> 02:04:59,000
IS THE LEGALIZATION OF
DRUGS THAT WE'RE CONCERNED

3890
02:04:59,000 --> 02:05:01,000
ABOUT.

3891
02:05:01,000 --> 02:05:02,000
>> OUR HEALTHCARE

3892
02:05:02,000 --> 02:05:03,000
PROFESSIONALS NEED TO

3893
02:05:03,000 --> 02:05:06,000
UNDERSTAND THAT FEDERAL LAW

3894
02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:08,000
HAS NOT CHANGED, THAT IT

3895
02:05:08,000 --> 02:05:10,000
CONTINUES TO BE ILLEGAL IN

3896
02:05:10,000 --> 02:05:11,000
THE UNITED STATES TO

3897
02:05:11,000 --> 02:05:14,000
PRESCRIBE MARIJUANA.

3898
02:05:14,000 --> 02:05:15,000
>> U.S. ATTORNEYS IN BOTH

3899
02:05:15,000 --> 02:05:17,000
STATES WILL CONTINUE TO

3900
02:05:17,000 --> 02:05:18,000
REVIEW CASES FOR

3901
02:05:18,000 --> 02:05:19,000
PROSECUTION, AND DEA

3902
02:05:19,000 --> 02:05:21,000
OFFICIALS WILL REVIEW CASES

3903
02:05:21,000 --> 02:05:23,000
AS THEY HAVE TO DETERMINE

3904
02:05:23,000 --> 02:05:25,000
WHETHER TO REVOKE THE

3905
02:05:25,000 --> 02:05:26,000
REGISTRATION OF ANY

3906
02:05:26,000 --> 02:05:28,000
PHYSICIAN WHO RECOMMENDS OR

3907
02:05:28,000 --> 02:05:29,000
PRESCRIBES SO CALLED

3908
02:05:29,000 --> 02:05:30,000
"SCHEDULE ONE" CONTROLLED

3909
02:05:30,000 --> 02:05:33,000
SUBSTANCES.

3910
02:05:33,000 --> 02:05:34,000
>> THIS IS NOT MEDICINE,

3911
02:05:34,000 --> 02:05:35,000
THIS IS A CHEECH AND CHONG

3912
02:05:35,000 --> 02:05:37,000
SHOW.

3913
02:05:37,000 --> 02:05:39,000
BERNIE: SOME DOCTORS OBJECT
TO THE THREATS.

3914
02:05:39,000 --> 02:05:41,000
THEY SAY THE GOVERNMENT HAS

3915
02:05:41,000 --> 02:05:42,000
NO BUSINESS INTERFERING IN

3916
02:05:42,000 --> 02:05:43,000
THE DOCTOR-PATIENT

3917
02:05:43,000 --> 02:05:46,000
RELATIONSHIP.

3918
02:05:46,000 --> 02:05:47,000
MEANWHILE, THE AMERICAN

3919
02:05:47,000 --> 02:05:48,000
MEDICAL ASSOCIATION CALLS

3920
02:05:48,000 --> 02:05:49,000
FOR FEDERAL FUNDING TO FIND

3921
02:05:49,000 --> 02:05:50,000
OUT ONCE AND FOR ALL

3922
02:05:50,000 --> 02:05:55,000
WHETHER POT CAN HELP SICK
PEOPLE.

3923
02:05:59,000 --> 02:06:00,000
>>> COMING UP ON "CNN

3924
02:06:00,000 --> 02:06:01,000
PRESENTS," WE'LL TAKE YOU
TO A CITY WHERE TAXPAYER

3925
02:06:01,000 --> 02:06:03,000
MONEY HELPS FUND POT SHOPS.

3926
02:06:03,000 --> 02:06:05,000
>> WE DON'T THINK ARRESTING

3927
02:06:05,000 --> 02:06:06,000
PEOPLE AND PUTTING THEM IN
JAIL ON THE LEVEL OF

3928
02:06:06,000 --> 02:06:07,000
MARIJUANA DOESN'T HELP

3929
02:06:07,000 --> 02:06:12,000
ANYBODY.

3930
02:06:20,000 --> 02:06:21,000
BERNIE: "CNN PRESENTS"

3931
02:06:21,000 --> 02:06:22,000
CONTINUES NOW WITH "HIGHER
TIMES."

3932
02:06:22,000 --> 02:06:23,000
ONCE AGAIN, HERE'S LARRY

3933
02:06:23,000 --> 02:06:28,000
LAMOTTE.

3934
02:06:30,000 --> 02:06:31,000
LARRY: A PLEANT SUMMER

3935
02:06:31,000 --> 02:06:32,000
AFTERNOON ON A STREET IN

3936
02:06:32,000 --> 02:06:35,000
AMSTERDAM.

3937
02:06:35,000 --> 02:06:38,000
PLAYFUL CHILDREN, DINNER

3938
02:06:38,000 --> 02:06:43,000
WITH FRIENDS, AND RIGHT

3939
02:06:43,000 --> 02:06:44,000
NEXT DOOR, PEOPLE SMOKING

3940
02:06:44,000 --> 02:06:46,000
MARIJUANA AT THE

3941
02:06:46,000 --> 02:06:51,000
NEIGHBORHOOD COFFEE SHOP.

3942
02:06:52,000 --> 02:06:54,000
>> THIS IS THE REAL DUTCH

3943
02:06:54,000 --> 02:06:55,000
GRASS, THE BEST.

3944
02:06:55,000 --> 02:06:56,000
NOBODY SEEMS TO MIND.

3945
02:06:56,000 --> 02:06:57,000
>> FOR AMSTERDAM, FOR

3946
02:06:57,000 --> 02:07:01,000
HOLLAND -- WHY NOT?

3947
02:07:01,000 --> 02:07:02,000
LARRY: SMOKERS LIKE ERIC

3948
02:07:02,000 --> 02:07:04,000
JANSEN SYMBOLIZE THE

3949
02:07:04,000 --> 02:07:05,000
NETHERLANDS' OPEN APPROACH

3950
02:07:05,000 --> 02:07:08,000
TO MARIJUANA AND HASHISH.

3951
02:07:08,000 --> 02:07:10,000
TECHNICALLY ILLEGAL, THE

3952
02:07:10,000 --> 02:07:11,000
GOVERNMENT DOES NOT

3953
02:07:11,000 --> 02:07:12,000
PROSECUTE USERS.

3954
02:07:12,000 --> 02:07:13,000
THE ANTITHESIS OF THE DRUG

3955
02:07:13,000 --> 02:07:18,000
POLICY OF MOST COUNTRIES.

3956
02:07:18,000 --> 02:07:19,000
JANSEN IS A SUCCESSFUL

3957
02:07:19,000 --> 02:07:20,000
CONTRACTOR WHO RESTORES OLD

3958
02:07:20,000 --> 02:07:23,000
HOUSES.

3959
02:07:23,000 --> 02:07:24,000
HE FINDS MARIJUANA HELPFUL,

3960
02:07:24,000 --> 02:07:27,000
NOT HARMFUL.

3961
02:07:27,000 --> 02:07:28,000
>> DURING THE DAYTIME WHEN

3962
02:07:28,000 --> 02:07:29,000
I WORK, I DON'T SMOKE.

3963
02:07:29,000 --> 02:07:31,000
IT'S RELAXING WHEN THE

3964
02:07:31,000 --> 02:07:34,000
JOB'S DONE.

3965
02:07:34,000 --> 02:07:36,000
I DON'T DRINK THAT MUCH

3966
02:07:36,000 --> 02:07:38,000
BECAUSE I CAN'T HANDLE

3967
02:07:38,000 --> 02:07:43,000
ALCOHOL.

3968
02:07:43,000 --> 02:07:45,000
I GET A HANGOVER AND I

3969
02:07:45,000 --> 02:07:49,000
BARREL DRINK.
OF55 BARELY DRINK.

3970
02:07:49,000 --> 02:07:50,000
LARRY: PEOPLE BUY IN PLACES

3971
02:07:50,000 --> 02:07:52,000
CALLED "COFFEE SHOPS."

3972
02:07:52,000 --> 02:07:56,000
THE GOVERNMENT BELIEVES IF

3973
02:07:56,000 --> 02:07:57,000
SALES CAN BE CONTAINED IN

3974
02:07:57,000 --> 02:07:58,000
SAFE REGULATED PLACES,

3975
02:07:58,000 --> 02:08:00,000
USERS WILL NOT MOVE ON TO

3976
02:08:00,000 --> 02:08:02,000
MORE DANGEROUS DRUGS LIKE

3977
02:08:02,000 --> 02:08:06,000
HEROIN AND COCAINE.

3978
02:08:06,000 --> 02:08:08,000
DUTCH HEALTH MINISTER ELS
BORST.

3979
02:08:08,000 --> 02:08:09,000
>> OUR DUTCH POLICY IS

3980
02:08:09,000 --> 02:08:11,000
BASED ON THE PRINCIPLE THAT

3981
02:08:11,000 --> 02:08:14,000
CANNABIS IS NOT VERY

3982
02:08:14,000 --> 02:08:18,000
DAMAGING TO HEALTH.

3983
02:08:18,000 --> 02:08:19,000
LARRY: MS. BORST'S
U.S. EQUIVALENT, DONNA

3984
02:08:19,000 --> 02:08:20,000
SHALALA.

3985
02:08:20,000 --> 02:08:22,000
>> MARIJUANA IS ILLEGAL,

3986
02:08:22,000 --> 02:08:24,000
DANGEROU UNHEALTHY AND

3987
02:08:24,000 --> 02:08:27,000
WRONG.

3988
02:08:27,000 --> 02:08:29,000
>> I THINK NICOTINE AND

3989
02:08:29,000 --> 02:08:31,000
ALCOHOL ARE FAR MORE

3990
02:08:31,000 --> 02:08:36,000
DANGEROUS TO YOUR HEALTH.

3991
02:08:36,000 --> 02:08:37,000
U.S. POLICY MAKERS FIRMLY

3992
02:08:37,000 --> 02:08:38,000
BELIEVE MARIJUANA LEADS TO

3993
02:08:38,000 --> 02:08:42,000
HARDER DRUGS.

3994
02:08:42,000 --> 02:08:43,000
LARRY: JOSEPH CALIFANO,

3995
02:08:43,000 --> 02:08:44,000
FORMER U.S.  HEALTH

3996
02:08:44,000 --> 02:08:45,000
SECRETARY, NOW RUNS A THINK

3997
02:08:45,000 --> 02:08:46,000
TANK ON DRUG AND ADDICTION

3998
02:08:46,000 --> 02:08:48,000
ISSUES.

3999
02:08:48,000 --> 02:08:49,000
>> IF YOU'RE A 12 TO

4000
02:08:49,000 --> 02:08:50,000
17-YEAR-OLD AND YOU SMOKE

4001
02:08:50,000 --> 02:08:51,000
MARIJUANA, YOU'RE 85 TIMES

4002
02:08:51,000 --> 02:08:53,000
MORE LIKELY TO USE HEROIN

4003
02:08:53,000 --> 02:08:54,000
AND COCAINE THAN AN

4004
02:08:54,000 --> 02:08:55,000
INDIVIDU WHO DOES NOT

4005
02:08:55,000 --> 02:08:58,000
SMOKE MARIJUANA.

4006
02:08:58,000 --> 02:08:59,000
>> NONSENSE.

4007
02:08:59,000 --> 02:09:00,000
LARRY: UNIVERSITY OF

4008
02:09:00,000 --> 02:09:01,000
AMSTERDAM RESEARCHER PETER

4009
02:09:01,000 --> 02:09:02,000
HEN HAS BEEN TRACKING

4010
02:09:02,000 --> 02:09:03,000
MARIJUANA USE IN THAT CITY

4011
02:09:03,000 --> 02:09:07,000
FOR NEARLY A DECADE.

4012
02:09:07,000 --> 02:09:08,000
>> ACCORDING TO OUR

4013
02:09:08,000 --> 02:09:09,000
EPIDEMIOLOGICAL DATA,

4014
02:09:09,000 --> 02:09:10,000
MARIJUANA IS NOT A GATEWAY

4015
02:09:10,000 --> 02:09:15,000
DRUG AT ALL.

4016
02:09:16,000 --> 02:09:18,000
LARRY: COHEN SAYS ONLY 5%
OF ALL CANNABIS USERS ALSO

4017
02:09:18,000 --> 02:09:21,000
USE COCAINE.

4018
02:09:21,000 --> 02:09:26,000
EVEN FEWER USE HEROIN.

4019
02:09:26,000 --> 02:09:27,000
AND WHAT ABOUT CONCERNS POT

4020
02:09:27,000 --> 02:09:32,000
LEADS TO CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR?

4021
02:09:36,000 --> 02:09:37,000
>> AROUND HERE THERE ARE A

4022
02:09:37,000 --> 02:09:40,000
LOT OF CAFES WHERE YOU CAN

4023
02:09:40,000 --> 02:09:41,000
BUY MARIJUANA.
THEY ARE NOT REGULAR

4024
02:09:41,000 --> 02:09:42,000
COFFEESHOPS.

4025
02:09:42,000 --> 02:09:43,000
ROTTERDAM POLICE DRUGS

4026
02:09:43,000 --> 02:09:44,000
EXPERT, JAAP DE VLIEGER.
>> MARIJUANA GIVES NO

4027
02:09:44,000 --> 02:09:46,000
PROBLEM AT ALL.

4028
02:09:46,000 --> 02:09:47,000
MARIJUANA -- THE COFFEE

4029
02:09:47,000 --> 02:09:48,000
SHOPS, PARTICULAR GIVE NO

4030
02:09:48,000 --> 02:09:51,000
MORE TROUBLES THAN A
REGULAR CAFE.

4031
02:09:51,000 --> 02:09:52,000
LARRY: DE VLIEGER REGULARLY

4032
02:09:52,000 --> 02:09:53,000
TALKS TO YOUNG PEOPLE TO

4033
02:09:53,000 --> 02:09:54,000
SEE WHAT KIND OF DRUGS THEY

4034
02:09:54,000 --> 02:09:56,000
ARE USING.

4035
02:09:56,000 --> 02:10:01,000
THIS NIGHT HE VISITS A
COFFEE SHOP.

4036
02:10:02,000 --> 02:10:03,000
>> WHAT DO YOU SMOKE AT THE

4037
02:10:03,000 --> 02:10:04,000
MOMENT?

4038
02:10:04,000 --> 02:10:05,000
>> ZMUFERNG WHAT KIND OF

4039
02:10:05,000 --> 02:10:06,000
SKUNK?
LARRY: HE CHATS WITH RON

4040
02:10:06,000 --> 02:10:07,000
NEELEMAN.

4041
02:10:07,000 --> 02:10:08,000
>> FIVE MINUTES AGO I

4042
02:10:08,000 --> 02:10:09,000
TALKED WITH A POLICEMAN.

4043
02:10:09,000 --> 02:10:11,000
I THINK THAT'S HARD TO
UNDERSTAND FOR PEOPLE IN

4044
02:10:11,000 --> 02:10:15,000
AMERICA.

4045
02:10:15,000 --> 02:10:16,000
>> HE HOLDS DOWN A GOOD JOB

4046
02:10:16,000 --> 02:10:19,000
AT THE TECHNICAL UNIVERSITY

4047
02:10:19,000 --> 02:10:23,000
OF DEFLTH HELPING TO ARRANGE

4048
02:10:23,000 --> 02:10:26,000
SCHEDULES.

4049
02:10:26,000 --> 02:10:27,000
HIS SUPERVISORS PRAISE HIS

4050
02:10:27,000 --> 02:10:28,000
WORK.

4051
02:10:28,000 --> 02:10:29,000
IF HE LIVED IN THE UNITED

4052
02:10:29,000 --> 02:10:30,000
STATES, HIS CAREER COULD BE
RUINED BY A MARIJUANA

4053
02:10:30,000 --> 02:10:31,000
ARREST.

4054
02:10:31,000 --> 02:10:32,000
FORMER U.S. DRUG CZAR LEE
BROWN.

4055
02:10:32,000 --> 02:10:33,000
>> THE BEST WAY NOT TO GET

4056
02:10:33,000 --> 02:10:34,000
ARRESTED IS NOT TO GROW
SELL OR POSSESS MARIJUANA.

4057
02:10:34,000 --> 02:10:35,000
LARRY: DUTCH ORGANIZED

4058
02:10:35,000 --> 02:10:36,000
CRIME INVESTIGATOR HENK

4059
02:10:36,000 --> 02:10:37,000
JANSEN.

4060
02:10:37,000 --> 02:10:38,000
>> WE DON'T THINK ARRESTING

4061
02:10:38,000 --> 02:10:40,000
PEOPLE AND PUTTING THEM IN

4062
02:10:40,000 --> 02:10:41,000
JAIL ON THE LEVEL OF

4063
02:10:41,000 --> 02:10:43,000
MARIJUANA DOESN'T HELP
ANYBODY.

4064
02:10:43,000 --> 02:10:44,000
>> WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT

4065
02:10:44,000 --> 02:10:46,000
IN AMERICA.
THE LESSON'S VERY CLEAR.

4066
02:10:46,000 --> 02:10:48,000
DO NOT ATTEMPT TO DUPLICATE

4067
02:10:48,000 --> 02:10:49,000
WHAT HAPPENS IN COUNTRIES

4068
02:10:49,000 --> 02:10:54,000
SUCH AS THE NETHERLANDS.

4069
02:10:56,000 --> 02:10:57,000
I HAVE VISITED THEIR PARK

4070
02:10:57,000 --> 02:10:58,000
AND WATCHED THEIR YOUNG

4071
02:10:58,000 --> 02:10:59,000
PEOPLE LAYING AROUND LIKE

4072
02:10:59,000 --> 02:11:00,000
ZOMBIES.

4073
02:11:00,000 --> 02:11:01,000
>> THE MISCONCEPTION PEOPLE

4074
02:11:01,000 --> 02:11:02,000
HAVE IS THAT BECAUSE WE

4075
02:11:02,000 --> 02:11:04,000
HAVE DECRIMINALIZED THE

4076
02:11:04,000 --> 02:11:06,000
PERSONAL USE OF SMALL
AMOUNTS OF MARIJUANA, THAT

4077
02:11:06,000 --> 02:11:09,000
HAS CAUSED AN ENORMOUS

4078
02:11:09,000 --> 02:11:11,000
NUMBER OF MARIJUANA ADDICTS

4079
02:11:11,000 --> 02:11:12,000
IN THIS COUNTRY.

4080
02:11:12,000 --> 02:11:13,000
AND THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT

4081
02:11:13,000 --> 02:11:15,000
THE CASE.

4082
02:11:15,000 --> 02:11:16,000
LARRY: SO IS THE POLICY
WORKING?

4083
02:11:16,000 --> 02:11:19,000
THE DUTCH SAY "YES."

4084
02:11:19,000 --> 02:11:20,000
MOST PEOPLE BRIEFLY
EXPERIMENT WITH THE DRUG,

4085
02:11:20,000 --> 02:11:25,000
THEN STOP.

4086
02:11:26,000 --> 02:11:27,000
IF THE DUTCH POT POLICY IS

4087
02:11:27,000 --> 02:11:28,000
SO SUCCESSFUL, WHY CHANGE

4088
02:11:28,000 --> 02:11:31,000
IT?

4089
02:11:31,000 --> 02:11:32,000
IN A NEW DEVELOPMENT, THE
GOVERNMENT PROPOSES CLOSING

4090
02:11:32,000 --> 02:11:34,000
SOME COFFEE SHOPS AND

4091
02:11:34,000 --> 02:11:36,000
REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF

4092
02:11:36,000 --> 02:11:38,000
CANNABIS A PERSON CAN BUY.

4093
02:11:38,000 --> 02:11:40,000
>> I THINK WE HAVE TOO MANY

4094
02:11:40,000 --> 02:11:44,000
COFFEE SHOPS.

4095
02:11:44,000 --> 02:11:45,000
THERE IS ALWAYS THE DANGER

4096
02:11:45,000 --> 02:11:47,000
THAT THESE COFFEE SHOPS

4097
02:11:47,000 --> 02:11:48,000
START DEALING IN OTHER

4098
02:11:48,000 --> 02:11:50,000
THINGS THAN CANNABIS.

4099
02:11:50,000 --> 02:11:52,000
MAYBE HARD DRUGS.

4100
02:11:52,000 --> 02:11:53,000
LARRY: THIS TIGHTENING UP

4101
02:11:53,000 --> 02:11:54,000
WAS PROMPTED, AMONG OTHER

4102
02:11:54,000 --> 02:11:55,000
THINGS, BY AN INCREASE IN

4103
02:11:55,000 --> 02:11:58,000
CANNABIS USE BY YOUNG

4104
02:11:58,000 --> 02:11:59,000
PEOPLE -- AN INCREASE ALSO
FOUND IN OTHER PARTS OF

4105
02:11:59,000 --> 02:12:00,000
EUROPE AND THE UNITED

4106
02:12:00,000 --> 02:12:05,000
STATES.

4107
02:12:06,000 --> 02:12:07,000
>> HERE WE HAVE THE NORMAL

4108
02:12:07,000 --> 02:12:11,000
VERY FAMOUS, THOUGH, NL 5.

4109
02:12:11,000 --> 02:12:12,000
BUT THE NETHERLANDS HASN'T

4110
02:12:12,000 --> 02:12:13,000
TIGHTENED UP ON THOSE WHO

4111
02:12:13,000 --> 02:12:14,000
GROW MARIJUANA SEEDS.

4112
02:12:14,000 --> 02:12:15,000
THAT REMAINS LEGAL.

4113
02:12:15,000 --> 02:12:16,000
ALAN DRONKER'S COMPANY

4114
02:12:16,000 --> 02:12:17,000
SELLS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS

4115
02:12:17,000 --> 02:12:18,000
WORTH OF HIGH POTENCY SEEDS

4116
02:12:18,000 --> 02:12:22,000
EVERY YEAR.

4117
02:12:22,000 --> 02:12:24,000
>> THIS IS GREENHOUSE NUMBER

4118
02:12:24,000 --> 02:12:26,000
ONE.
THIS IS GREENHOUSE NUMBER

4119
02:12:26,000 --> 02:12:28,000
TWO.
THIS IS OUR BIGGEST

4120
02:12:28,000 --> 02:12:29,000
GREENHOUSE, GREENHOUSE

4121
02:12:29,000 --> 02:12:30,000
NUMBER THREE.
THEY END UP IN POT GARDENS

4122
02:12:30,000 --> 02:12:31,000
AROUND THE WORLD INCLUDING

4123
02:12:31,000 --> 02:12:32,000
THE UNITED STATES, WHOSE
GOVERNMENT WAGES ONE OF THE

4124
02:12:32,000 --> 02:12:33,000
WORLD'S FIERCEST WARS

4125
02:12:33,000 --> 02:12:37,000
AGAINST MARIJUANA.

4126
02:12:37,000 --> 02:12:38,000
>> THIS IS RIDICULOUS.

4127
02:12:38,000 --> 02:12:41,000
THIS IS SICKO.

4128
02:12:41,000 --> 02:12:42,000
YOUR COUNTRY HAS A PROBLEM.

4129
02:12:42,000 --> 02:12:43,000
YOUR COUNTRY HAS A DRUG

4130
02:12:43,000 --> 02:12:45,000
PROBLEM.

4131
02:12:45,000 --> 02:12:46,000
A DRUG WAR ON PEOPLE NOT ON

4132
02:12:46,000 --> 02:12:50,000
THE DRUGS, BECAUSE YOU ONLY

4133
02:12:50,000 --> 02:12:52,000
HAVE MORE PEOPLE WHO HAVE
PROBLEMS WITH DRUGS.

4134
02:12:52,000 --> 02:12:53,000
MORE VIOLENCE.

4135
02:12:53,000 --> 02:12:56,000
IT'S TERRIBLE.

4136
02:12:56,000 --> 02:12:59,000
IT MAKES A DUTCH MAN SAD.

4137
02:12:59,000 --> 02:13:04,000
I'M SORRY.

4138
02:13:06,000 --> 02:13:07,000
[MUSIC]

4139
02:13:07,000 --> 02:13:08,000
>> THE SIGHT OF THIS DUTCH

4140
02:13:08,000 --> 02:13:09,000
COFFEE SHOP WOULD MAKE SOME

4141
02:13:09,000 --> 02:13:10,000
AMERICANS CRINGE.

4142
02:13:10,000 --> 02:13:11,000
IT'S IN THE SMALL TOWN OF

4143
02:13:11,000 --> 02:13:12,000
BUSSUM.

4144
02:13:12,000 --> 02:13:13,000
AT THE PYRAMIDE COFFEE

4145
02:13:13,000 --> 02:13:14,000
SHOP, THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT

4146
02:13:14,000 --> 02:13:15,000
HELPS SELL MARIJUANA TO ITS

4147
02:13:15,000 --> 02:13:17,000
YOUNG PEOPLE.

4148
02:13:17,000 --> 02:13:18,000
THE OPERATION IS BACKED BY

4149
02:13:18,000 --> 02:13:21,000
$100,000 OF TAXPAYER MONEY

4150
02:13:21,000 --> 02:13:24,000
-- IN THE FORM OF A LOAN
FROM THE CITY.

4151
02:13:24,000 --> 02:13:25,000
A SCHOOLMASTER HEADS THE

4152
02:13:25,000 --> 02:13:26,000
FOUNDATION WHICH RUNS THE

4153
02:13:26,000 --> 02:13:28,000
PLACE.

4154
02:13:28,000 --> 02:13:29,000
LOCALS CONCLUDED THEIR

4155
02:13:29,000 --> 02:13:30,000
YOUNG PEOPLE WERE THE MAIN

4156
02:13:30,000 --> 02:13:32,000
SMOKERS IN TOWN.

4157
02:13:32,000 --> 02:13:33,000
RATHER THAN STOP THEM, THEY

4158
02:13:33,000 --> 02:13:34,000
DECIDED TO KEEP WATCH OVER

4159
02:13:34,000 --> 02:13:37,000
THEM.

4160
02:13:37,000 --> 02:13:38,000
THE MAYOR SAYS THIS KIND OF

4161
02:13:38,000 --> 02:13:39,000
CONTROL KEEPS HARD DRUGS

4162
02:13:39,000 --> 02:13:41,000
OUT.

4163
02:13:41,000 --> 02:13:45,000
>> WE HAVE NO HARD DRUGS

4164
02:13:45,000 --> 02:13:46,000
--

4165
02:13:46,000 --> 02:13:48,000
>> BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE ONE

4166
02:13:48,000 --> 02:13:50,000
SELLING POINT AND FROM THAT,

4167
02:13:50,000 --> 02:13:52,000
WE CAN HAVE A GOOD EYE ON

4168
02:13:52,000 --> 02:13:56,000
HOW THE DRUG WORLD IS DOING.

4169
02:13:56,000 --> 02:13:58,000
>> THE DUTCH POLICY SEES
EXPERIMENTATION WITH DRUGS

4170
02:13:58,000 --> 02:13:59,000
AS A NORMAL PART OF GROWING

4171
02:13:59,000 --> 02:14:01,000
UP.

4172
02:14:01,000 --> 02:14:02,000
EVEN THE HEALTH MINISTER

4173
02:14:02,000 --> 02:14:03,000
ADMITS SHE SMOKED POT, AND

4174
02:14:03,000 --> 02:14:06,000
INHALED.

4175
02:14:06,000 --> 02:14:07,000
>> I'VE TRIED IT ONCE, YES.

4176
02:14:07,000 --> 02:14:09,000
I DIDN'T LIKE IT AT ALL.

4177
02:14:09,000 --> 02:14:11,000
SO I STOPPED AFTER THAT ONE

4178
02:14:11,000 --> 02:14:13,000
--- JOINT IT'S CALLED.

4179
02:14:13,000 --> 02:14:14,000
YES.

4180
02:14:14,000 --> 02:14:15,000
[LAUGHTER]

4181
02:14:15,000 --> 02:14:16,000
TOGETHER WITH MY HUSBAND.

4182
02:14:16,000 --> 02:14:18,000
HE DIDN'T LIKE IT, EITHER.

4183
02:14:18,000 --> 02:14:19,000
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING YOU

4184
02:14:19,000 --> 02:14:20,000
CAN SAY IN THIS COUNTRY AND

4185
02:14:20,000 --> 02:14:24,000
STILL STAY ON AS A MINISTER

4186
02:14:24,000 --> 02:14:29,000
OF HEALTH.

4187
02:15:16,000 --> 02:15:17,000
BERNIE: ACCORDING TO FBI,

4188
02:15:17,000 --> 02:15:18,000
ONE PERSON IN THE UNITED

4189
02:15:18,000 --> 02:15:20,000
STATES IS ARRESTED ON

4190
02:15:20,000 --> 02:15:22,000
MARIJUANA CHARGES EVERY 54

4191
02:15:22,000 --> 02:15:24,000
SECONDS, AND IN THE TIME YOU

4192
02:15:24,000 --> 02:15:26,000
HAVE BEEN WATCHING THIS

4193
02:15:26,000 --> 02:15:27,000
PROGRAM ACCORDING TO SOME

4194
02:15:27,000 --> 02:15:28,000
ESTIMATES, THE GOVERNMENT

4195
02:15:28,000 --> 02:15:30,000
HAS SPENT NEARLY 800,000

4196
02:15:30,000 --> 02:15:31,000
DOLLARS IN THE WAR ON POT.

4197
02:15:31,000 --> 02:15:32,000
YET, POT SMOKING IS ON THE

4198
02:15:32,000 --> 02:15:34,000
RISE AMONG YOUNG PEOPLE.

4199
02:15:34,000 --> 02:15:35,000
NOW, HERE'S A LOOK AT

4200
02:15:35,000 --> 02:15:40,000
WHAT'S COMING UP ON THE
NEXT "CNN PRESENTS."

4201
02:15:40,000 --> 02:15:42,000
>> I HAVE WANTED TO RETURN

4202
02:15:42,000 --> 02:15:43,000
TO THE LION'S DEN FOR

4203
02:15:43,000 --> 02:15:45,000
SEVERAL YEARS.

4204
02:15:45,000 --> 02:15:46,000
>> THEY PUSHED TERRY INTO

4205
02:15:46,000 --> 02:15:48,000
THE BACK OFS GREEN MER

4206
02:15:48,000 --> 02:15:49,000
AID IES.
>> THE STRANGEST THING THE

4207
02:15:49,000 --> 02:15:51,000
GUY IN THE FRONT SEAT AS THE

4208
02:15:51,000 --> 02:15:52,000
CAR SPEEDS AWAY SAYS IN

4209
02:15:52,000 --> 02:15:54,000
ENGLISH, DON'T WORRY, IT'S

4210
02:15:54,000 --> 02:15:55,000
POLITICAL!

4211
02:15:55,000 --> 02:15:56,000
>> I HAVE NEVER SEEN LEBANON

4212
02:15:56,000 --> 02:15:58,000
AT PEACE.

4213
02:15:58,000 --> 02:15:59,000
THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN

4214
02:15:59,000 --> 02:16:00,000
WAR CRIMES TRIALS DESPITE

4215
02:16:00,000 --> 02:16:02,000
THE TERRIBLE THINGS THAT

4216
02:16:02,000 --> 02:16:03,000
THEY DID TO EACH OER.

4217
02:16:03,000 --> 02:16:04,000
THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN

4218
02:16:04,000 --> 02:16:06,000
HATING ANYMORE.

4219
02:16:06,000 --> 02:16:08,000
BERNIE: JOIN TERRY ANDERSON

4220
02:16:08,000 --> 02:16:11,000
ON HIS JOURNEY TO LEBANON A

4221
02:16:11,000 --> 02:16:12,000
RETURN TO THE LION'S DEN.

4222
02:16:12,000 --> 02:16:13,000
BERNIE: JOIN US EACH WEEK

4223
02:16:13,000 --> 02:16:14,000
AT THIS TIME FOR A LOOK
BEYOND THE HEADLINES AT THE

4224
02:16:14,000 --> 02:16:15,000
MOST COMPELLING STORIES OF

4225
02:16:15,000 --> 02:16:16,000
OUR TIME.

4226
02:16:16,000 --> 02:16:17,000
I'M BERNARD SHAW, AND THIS

4227
02:16:17,000 --> 02:16:22,000
IS "CNN PRESENTS."

4228
02:16:23,000 --> 02:16:28,000
[CAPTIONING PERFORMED BY
MEDIA CAPTIONING SERVICES,
CARLSBAD, CALIFORNIA]

4229
02:16:37,000 --> 02:16:38,000
BUT THE SUPREME COURT DEALS

4230
02:16:38,000 --> 02:16:40,000
WITH THOSE ALL THE TIME.

4231
02:16:40,000 --> 02:16:41,000
THE DIFFERENCE, AS THE JUSTICES

4232
02:16:41,000 --> 02:16:44,000
HEARD ARGUMENTS TODAY --

4233
02:16:44,000 --> 02:16:46,000
TO THE ISSUE.

4234
02:16:46,000 --> 02:16:47,000
THOSE WHO WERE THERE TO WITNESS

4235
02:16:47,000 --> 02:16:48,000
IT WILL TELL YOU THEY CAN

4236
02:16:48,000 --> 02:16:49,000
ALREADY TELL HOW THE COURT IS

4237
02:16:49,000 --> 02:16:51,000
LEANING, AND HOW IT MIGHT RULE

4238
02:16:51,000 --> 02:16:52,000
ON ONE OF THE MOST VOLATILE

4239
02:16:52,000 --> 02:16:53,000
ISSUES OF OUR TIME.

4240
02:16:53,000 --> 02:16:54,000
WE BEGIN AT THE COURT,

4241
02:16:54,000 --> 02:16:59,000
WITH NBC'S PETE WILLIAMS.

4242
02:17:00,000 --> 02:17:03,000
>> WE'RE NOT DEAD YET.

4243
02:17:03,000 --> 02:17:04,000
>> Reporter: AT THE SUPREME

4244
02:17:04,000 --> 02:17:06,000
COURT, ONE OF THE MOST

4245
02:17:06,000 --> 02:17:07,000
PASSIONATE DEMONSTRATIONS

4246
02:17:07,000 --> 02:17:08,000
IN YEARS -- THE ISSUE --

4247
02:17:08,000 --> 02:17:09,000
LIFE AND DEATH.

4248
02:17:09,000 --> 02:17:10,000
BUT FOR JOHN LESNICK

4249
02:17:10,000 --> 02:17:11,000
OF NEW YORK, WHO HAS AIDS,

4250
02:17:11,000 --> 02:17:13,000
THE ISSUE IS OPTIONS.

4251
02:17:13,000 --> 02:17:14,000
HE WANTS TO BE THE ONE TO DECIDE

4252
02:17:14,000 --> 02:17:16,000
WHEN HIS SYMPTOMS ARE SO BAD,

4253
02:17:16,000 --> 02:17:18,000
TO DIE.

4254
02:17:18,000 --> 02:17:19,000
>> I MIGHT, YOU KNOW, WANT TO GO

4255
02:17:19,000 --> 02:17:20,000
ON AND CONTINUE, OR I MIGHT SAY,

4256
02:17:20,000 --> 02:17:22,000
"THIS IS IT.

4257
02:17:22,000 --> 02:17:23,000
JUST TURN ON THE MORPHINE

4258
02:17:23,000 --> 02:17:24,000
AND LET ME GO."

4259
02:17:24,000 --> 02:17:25,000
>> Reporter: HIS DOCTOR WAS PART

4260
02:17:25,000 --> 02:17:27,000
OF A GROUP THAT CHALLENGED

4261
02:17:27,000 --> 02:17:28,000
NEW YORK'S LAW AGAINST ASSISTED

4262
02:17:28,000 --> 02:17:29,000
SUICIDE AND WON IN THE LOWER

4263
02:17:29,000 --> 02:17:30,000
COURTS.

4264
02:17:30,000 --> 02:17:33,000
JOINED BY DOCTORS

4265
02:17:33,000 --> 02:17:35,000
TERMINALLY ILL PATIENTS HAVE

4266
02:17:35,000 --> 02:17:36,000
A RIGHT TO GET HELP WHEN

4267
02:17:36,000 --> 02:17:37,000
THEY WANT RELIEF FROM ENDLESS

4268
02:17:37,000 --> 02:17:39,000
PAIN.

4269
02:17:39,000 --> 02:17:40,000
>> PHYSICIAN ASSISTED DYING IS

4270
02:17:40,000 --> 02:17:41,000
ABOUT ALLOWING THE DYING PERSON

4271
02:17:41,000 --> 02:17:43,000
TO HAVE AS MUCH CHOICE

4272
02:17:43,000 --> 02:17:45,000
AS POSSIBLE, IN THE CONTEXT

4273
02:17:45,000 --> 02:17:49,000
OF THEIR ILLNESS.

4274
02:17:49,000 --> 02:17:51,000
LIKE.

4275
02:17:51,000 --> 02:17:52,000
>> Reporter: BUT WHEN

4276
02:17:52,000 --> 02:17:53,000
THEIR LAWYER TOLD THE SUPREME

4277
02:17:53,000 --> 02:17:54,000
COURT TODAY THAT TERMINALLY ILL

4278
02:17:54,000 --> 02:17:55,000
PATIENTS HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL

4279
02:17:55,000 --> 02:17:56,000
RIGHT TO DIE, THE COURT WAS

4280
02:17:56,000 --> 02:17:57,000
STRONGLY SKEPTICAL.

4281
02:17:57,000 --> 02:17:59,000
JUSTICE SCALIA ASKED --

4282
02:17:59,000 --> 02:18:01,000
"WHY LIMIT IT TO THOSEHOLD ODEAT

4283
02:18:01,000 --> 02:18:02,000
WHAT ABOUT A PATIENT WHO'S TD

4284
02:18:02,000 --> 02:18:04,000
TO EXPECT TEN YEARS OF AGO?

4285
02:18:04,000 --> 02:18:06,000
AND WHY JUST SOMEONE IPHYSICAL

4286
02:18:06,000 --> 02:18:07,000
WHAT ABOUT EMOTIONAL PAIN?"

4287
02:18:07,000 --> 02:18:09,000
>> Reporr JUSTICESBUR

4288
02:18:09,000 --> 02:18:12,000
WANTED SUICIDE YESTDAY,YS --

4289
02:18:12,000 --> 02:18:13,000
BUT TODAY, I DON'T?"

4290
02:18:13,000 --> 02:18:15,000
>> Reporter: AND JUSTICE

4291
02:18:15,000 --> 02:18:16,000
SOUTER --

4292
02:18:16,000 --> 02:18:17,000
"HOW CAN THE COURT BALANCE ALL

4293
02:18:17,000 --> 02:18:19,000
THE INTERESTS INVOLVED

4294
02:18:19,000 --> 02:18:22,000
WOULD WORK?"

4295
02:18:22,000 --> 02:18:23,000
JUSTICE SPOKE UP FOR

4296
02:18:23,000 --> 02:18:24,000
A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO DIE.

4297
02:18:24,000 --> 02:18:25,000
OPPONENTS OF ASSISTED SUICIDE

4298
02:18:25,000 --> 02:18:26,000
WARN THAT IF IT'S LEGALIZED,

4299
02:18:26,000 --> 02:18:28,000
COST-CUTTING HOSPITALS WILL

4300
02:18:28,000 --> 02:18:29,000
SUBTLY PUSH IT.

4301
02:18:29,000 --> 02:18:30,000
>> ESPECIALLY IN THE GROWING

4302
02:18:30,000 --> 02:18:32,000
REGIME OF MANAGED CARE,

4303
02:18:32,000 --> 02:18:33,000
WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT

4304
02:18:33,000 --> 02:18:34,000
TO PROVIDE AN ACCEPTABLE,

4305
02:18:34,000 --> 02:18:38,000
RECOGNIZED TOOL, THE CHEAPER --

4306
02:18:38,000 --> 02:18:39,000
PATIENTS.

4307
02:18:39,000 --> 02:18:40,000
THAT'S SIMPLY WRONG.

4308
02:18:40,000 --> 02:18:42,000
>> SOCIETY HAS SOMETHING MORE

4309
02:18:42,000 --> 02:18:44,000
SIGNIFICANT TO SAY TO THOSE WHO

4310
02:18:44,000 --> 02:18:46,000
ARE DYING THAN HERE, "TAKE

4311
02:18:46,000 --> 02:18:49,000
A PILL AND DIE."

4312
02:18:49,000 --> 02:18:50,000
>> Reporter: BASED ON AT

4313
02:18:50,000 --> 02:18:51,000
THE JUSTICES SAID TODAY, IT

4314
02:18:51,000 --> 02:18:54,000
SEEMS UNLIKELY THE COURT WILL

4315
02:18:54,000 --> 02:18:55,000
INSTEAD LEAVING EACH STATE

4316
02:18:55,000 --> 02:18:57,000
TO DECIDE THIS EMOTIONAL ISSUE

4317
02:18:57,000 --> 02:18:58,000
FOR ITSELF.

4318
02:18:58,000 --> 02:18:59,000
PETE WILLIAMS, NBC NEWS.

4319
02:18:59,000 --> 02:19:00,000
AT THE SUPREME COURT.

4320
02:19:00,000 --> 02:19:02,000
>>> AND IN A CALIFORNIA

4321
02:19:02,000 --> 02:19:03,000
COURTROOM TODAY -- THE CIVIL

4322
02:19:03,000 --> 02:19:05,000
>> Reporter: THAT MEANS MORE

4323
02:19:05,000 --> 02:19:07,000
REAL-TIME VIDEO MIXED
WITH HIGH-END GRAPHICS,

4324
02:19:07,000 --> 02:19:11,000
WORKING TOGETHER TO MAKE VIDEO
GAMES MORE REALISTIC.

4325
02:19:11,000 --> 02:19:12,000
>> IT'S ALLOWED US TO USE

4326
02:19:12,000 --> 02:19:13,000
REAL-WORLD VIDEO AND LAY

4327
02:19:13,000 --> 02:19:14,000
IN LAYERS OF VIDEO

4328
02:19:14,000 --> 02:19:16,000
AND GRAPHICS TOGETHER.

4329
02:19:16,000 --> 02:19:18,000
LOOK AT THIS TRANSLATION.

4330
02:19:18,000 --> 02:19:21,000
IT JUST RUNS AS GOOD AS THE

4331
02:19:21,000 --> 02:19:22,000
ARCADE VERSION.

4332
02:19:22,000 --> 02:19:23,000
>> Reporter: SAME GOES

4333
02:19:23,000 --> 02:19:24,000
FOR VIDEO CONFERENCING.
20 FRAMES A SECOND, TWICE

4334
02:19:24,000 --> 02:19:25,000
THE SPEED OF TODAY'S VERSIONS,

4335
02:19:25,000 --> 02:19:26,000
GOOD QUALITY AUDIO, ALL

4336
02:19:26,000 --> 02:19:28,000
OVER JUST REGULAR OLD PHONE

4337
02:19:28,000 --> 02:19:29,000
LINES.
WITH TINY CAMERAS LIKE THESE,

4338
02:19:29,000 --> 02:19:31,000
YOU'LL HAVE THE SAME OPTION

4339
02:19:31,000 --> 02:19:35,000
ON LAPTOPS.

4340
02:19:35,000 --> 02:19:37,000
>>> WE CAN BLOW IT UP AND RUN

4341
02:19:37,000 --> 02:19:39,000
IT AT HIGH FRAME RATES.

4342
02:19:39,000 --> 02:19:40,000
>> Reporter: EDUCATORS CAN'T

4343
02:19:40,000 --> 02:19:41,000
WAIT TO GET THEIR HAND
ON FASTER DESKTOP COMPUTERS,

4344
02:19:41,000 --> 02:19:42,000
BRINGING A RICHER COMPUTER

4345
02:19:42,000 --> 02:19:44,000
EXPERIENCE TO STUDENTS.

4346
02:19:44,000 --> 02:19:45,000
>> A STUDENT CAN REALLY

4347
02:19:45,000 --> 02:19:47,000
UNDERSTAND SOMETHING, IN THIS

4348
02:19:47,000 --> 02:19:48,000
CASE ABOUT HUMAN ANATOMY AND

4349
02:19:48,000 --> 02:19:50,000
GET IT IMPLANTED IN THEIR

4350
02:19:50,000 --> 02:19:51,000
HEADS BECAUSE THEY'RE SEEING

4351
02:19:51,000 --> 02:19:55,000
AND MANIPULATING 3-D MODELS

4352
02:19:55,000 --> 02:19:57,000
AND SEEING IT IN GORGEOUS

4353
02:19:57,000 --> 02:20:02,000
VIDEO.

4354
02:20:02,000 --> 02:20:04,000
>> Reporter: WHAT MAKES THE TK

4355
02:20:04,000 --> 02:20:05,000
NOTHING SO COMPELLING IS THE

4356
02:20:05,000 --> 02:20:07,000
REALISTIC EXPERIENCE THE

4357
02:20:07,000 --> 02:20:08,000
CONSUMERS SURMS WILL GET ON

4358
02:20:08,000 --> 02:20:11,000
THEIR SCREENS.
LOOK AT THIS VIDEO

4359
02:20:11,000 --> 02:20:12,000
MANIPULATION?

4360
02:20:12,000 --> 02:20:14,000
NO PROBLEM WITH THE IMAGES ON

4361
02:20:14,000 --> 02:20:15,000
THE SCREEN.
IT'S A VERY FLUID MOTION AND

4362
02:20:15,000 --> 02:20:16,000
THAT'S WHAT THE TECHNOLOGY

4363
02:20:16,000 --> 02:20:17,000
BRINGS YOU.

4364
02:20:17,000 --> 02:20:18,000
>> BETTER AND MEDICATION,

4365
02:20:18,000 --> 02:20:19,000
BETTER AUDIO.

4366
02:20:19,000 --> 02:20:21,000
>> Reporter: OFFICIALS CALL

4367
02:20:21,000 --> 02:20:23,000
MMX A MAJOR ADVANCE.

4368
02:20:23,000 --> 02:20:25,000
>> WE'RE NOT GOING TO MATCH A

4369
02:20:25,000 --> 02:20:27,000
HIGH-END SILICON GRAPHICS

4370
02:20:27,000 --> 02:20:29,000
WORKSTATION,UT WE'RE

4371
02:20:29,000 --> 02:20:31,000
GALLONPING UP -- GALLOPING UP

4372
02:20:31,000 --> 02:20:32,000
TOWARDS THAT.

4373
02:20:32,000 --> 02:20:33,000
>> Reporter: AND AT PRICES

4374
02:20:33,000 --> 02:20:35,000
EVERY DAY CONSUMERS CAN

4375
02:20:35,000 --> 02:20:37,000
AFFORD.
I'M JIM GOLDMAN, NEWSCENTER 4.

4376
02:20:37,000 --> 02:20:38,000
>> UNLIKE ANNOUNCEMENTS LIKE

4377
02:20:38,000 --> 02:20:39,000
THIS IN THE PAST WHERE

4378
02:20:39,000 --> 02:20:40,000
COMPANIES GET ALL EXCITED

4379
02:20:40,000 --> 02:20:41,000
AND THEN TELL CONSUMERS

4380
02:20:41,000 --> 02:20:42,000
THEY'LL HAVE TO WAIT A YEAR
BEFORE THE PRODUCTS GET

4381
02:20:42,000 --> 02:20:43,000
INTO THE MARKET, INTEL SAYS

4382
02:20:43,000 --> 02:20:46,000
THE TECHNOLOGY IS AVAILABLE

4383
02:20:46,000 --> 02:20:47,000
NOW.
IT'LL BE FEATURED IN DESKTOP

4384
02:20:47,000 --> 02:20:48,000
COMPUTERS THAT'LL COST AROUND

4385
02:20:48,000 --> 02:20:50,000
$2,000.

4386
02:20:50,000 --> 02:20:52,000
>> I WAS WAIT WILLING FOR THE

4387
02:20:52,000 --> 02:20:53,000
PRICE TAG.

4388
02:20:53,000 --> 02:20:54,000
>>> YET ANOTHER SIGN THAT

4389
02:20:54,000 --> 02:20:55,000
HIGH-TECH COMPANIES ARE

4390
02:20:55,000 --> 02:20:56,000
BRINGING GOOD FORTUNE
TO PEOPLE IN THE SOUTH BAY.

4391
02:20:56,000 --> 02:20:57,000
PEOPLE WHO WORK IN SAN JOSE

4392
02:20:57,000 --> 02:20:58,000
GET THE HIGHEST AVERAGE

4393
02:20:58,000 --> 02:21:00,000
SALARIES IN THE NATION,

4394
02:21:00,000 --> 02:21:02,000
$42,409.

4395
02:21:02,000 --> 02:21:04,000
THAT'S ACCORDING TO A U.S.

4396
02:21:04,000 --> 02:21:05,000
DEPARTMENT OF LABOR REPORT

4397
02:21:05,000 --> 02:21:06,000
JUST RELEASED.

4398
02:21:06,000 --> 02:21:08,000
NEW YORK CITY COMES IN SECOND.

4399
02:21:08,000 --> 02:21:09,000
SAN FRANCISCO IS THIRD

4400
02:21:09,000 --> 02:21:11,000
ON THE LIST, WITH AN AVERAGE

4401
02:21:11,000 --> 02:21:14,000
ANNUAL SALARY OF $37,975.

4402
02:21:14,000 --> 02:21:15,000
ALSO, CALIFORNIA RANKS

4403
02:21:15,000 --> 02:21:17,000
AS THE SEVENTH BEST STATE

4404
02:21:17,000 --> 02:21:19,000
FOR FAT PAYCHECKS.

4405
02:21:19,000 --> 02:21:20,000
>>>

4406
02:21:20,000 --> 02:21:22,000
NORTH TOWER OF THE GOLDEN GATE

4407
02:21:22,000 --> 02:21:23,000
BRGE.
IT WAS

4408
02:21:23,000 --> 02:21:25,000
63% APPROVE OF THE JOB BROWN

4409
02:21:25,000 --> 02:21:28,000
IS DOING, WHILE 25%

4410
02:21:28,000 --> 02:21:30,000
DISAPPROVE, ALTHOUGH MOST

4411
02:21:30,000 --> 02:21:31,000
PEOPLE SAY HE'S MADE LITTLE

4412
02:21:31,000 --> 02:21:33,000
PROGRESS ON THE ISSUES.

4413
02:21:33,000 --> 02:21:34,000
WHEN ASKED FOR AN OVERALL

4414
02:21:34,000 --> 02:21:36,000
DESCRIPTION OF THE MAYOR, 69%

4415
02:21:36,000 --> 02:21:38,000
SAY HE IS EFFECTIVE.

4416
02:21:38,000 --> 02:21:40,000
50% SAY HE'S HONEST.

4417
02:21:40,000 --> 02:21:42,000
AND 49% SAY THE MAYOR HAS MET

4418
02:21:42,000 --> 02:21:44,000
THEIR EXPECTATIONS.

4419
02:21:44,000 --> 02:21:46,000
WHY DO SAN FRANCISCANS --

4420
02:21:46,000 --> 02:21:47,000
>> GO FIGURE.

4421
02:21:47,000 --> 02:21:48,000
PEOPLE AREN'T ANY HAPPIER WITH

4422
02:21:48,000 --> 02:21:49,000
MUNI, PEOPLE AREN'T ANY

4423
02:21:49,000 --> 02:21:50,000
HAPPIER WITH THE STREETS OF

4424
02:21:50,000 --> 02:21:51,000
SAN FRANCISCO.

4425
02:21:51,000 --> 02:21:52,000
BUT FOR SOME REASON, THE POLL

4426
02:21:52,000 --> 02:21:54,000
FOUND THAT 63% OF THEM ARE

4427
02:21:54,000 --> 02:21:55,000
HAPPY WITH MAYOR WILLIE BROWN.

4428
02:21:55,000 --> 02:21:56,000
WHAT'S HIS SKET?

4429
02:21:56,000 --> 02:21:58,000
>> I SHAKE HANDS.

4430
02:21:58,000 --> 02:22:00,000
HOW ARE YOU?

4431
02:22:00,000 --> 02:22:02,000
DON'T LET HER BUMP.

4432
02:22:02,000 --> 02:22:03,000
YOU HOW ARE YOU DOING?
ALL RIGHT.

4433
02:22:03,000 --> 02:22:05,000
YOUR HANDS ARE KIND OF COLD.

4434
02:22:05,000 --> 02:22:06,000
>> Reporter: IF THERE'S ONE

4435
02:22:06,000 --> 02:22:07,000
THING WILLIE BROWN DOES, IT'S

4436
02:22:07,000 --> 02:22:08,000
SHAKE HANDS.

4437
02:22:08,000 --> 02:22:10,000
>> NOBODY FEELS PUT OFF.

4438
02:22:10,000 --> 02:22:12,000
THERE'S NO RING AROUND ME.

4439
02:22:12,000 --> 02:22:14,000
YOU FEEL OKAY TOUCHING ME.

4440
02:22:14,000 --> 02:22:16,000
YOU FEEL OKAY ALLOWING ME TO

4441
02:22:16,000 --> 02:22:17,000
TOUCH YOU.

4442
02:22:17,000 --> 02:22:18,000
I FEEL THAT'S WHAT YITZHAK

4443
02:22:18,000 --> 02:22:19,000
RABIN, THAT'S ALL IT IS.

4444
02:22:19,000 --> 02:22:20,000
>> HAPPY NEW YEAR.

4445
02:22:20,000 --> 02:22:22,000
>> IT ISN'T SO MUCH THAT

4446
02:22:22,000 --> 02:22:23,000
THEY'VE GOT TO -- I'VE GOT TO

4447
02:22:23,000 --> 02:22:25,000
BE A PERFORMING AND GETTING

4448
02:22:25,000 --> 02:22:27,000
GREATS ON WHAT MUNI

4449
02:22:27,000 --> 02:22:29,000
DRIVERS DO OR METER MAIDS DO

4450
02:22:29,000 --> 02:22:31,000
IN ORDER TO HAVE THE PUBLIC

4451
02:22:31,000 --> 02:22:32,000
STILL LOVE ME.

4452
02:22:32,000 --> 02:22:34,000
I'M GOING TO SHOW ENOUGH

4453
02:22:34,000 --> 02:22:35,000
CONCERN ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE

4454
02:22:35,000 --> 02:22:36,000
ABOUT AND WHAT YOU NEED THAT

4455
02:22:36,000 --> 02:22:37,000
YOU'RE GOING TO BE PLEASED

4456
02:22:37,000 --> 02:22:39,000
THAT I'M THERE.

4457
02:22:39,000 --> 02:22:41,000
>> Reporter: LOVE HIM OR HATE

4458
02:22:41,000 --> 02:22:42,000
HIM, SO FAR IT SEEMS TO BE

4459
02:22:42,000 --> 02:22:44,000
WORKING
>> WHEN YOU GOING TO RUN FOR

4460
02:22:44,000 --> 02:22:45,000
GOVERNOR?
>> YOU THINK I'M READY TO

4461
02:22:45,000 --> 02:22:47,000
LEAVE THE CITY ALREADY?

4462
02:22:47,000 --> 02:22:50,000
>> TWO MORE YEAR, YES, TWO

4463
02:22:50,000 --> 02:22:51,000
MORE YEAR.

4464
02:22:51,000 --> 02:22:52,000
>> YEARS

4465
02:22:52,000 --> 02:22:54,000
>> WE HAVE TO SIGN YOU IN.

4466
02:22:54,000 --> 02:22:55,000
>>OCIATI WITH THE

4467
02:22:55,000 --> 02:22:56,000
PUBLIC COMES MY CLEAR

4468
02:22:56,000 --> 02:22:57,000
LOVE FOR PEOPLE.

4469
02:22:57,000 --> 02:22:59,000
THAT'S WHAT THAT EXTENDS --

4470
02:22:59,000 --> 02:23:00,000
HEY, HOW ARE YOU?

4471
02:23:00,000 --> 02:23:01,000
HOW'S EVERYTHING?

4472
02:23:01,000 --> 02:23:02,000
>> GREAT JOB, SIR.

4473
02:23:02,000 --> 02:23:03,000
>> THANK YOU.

4474
02:23:03,000 --> 02:23:04,000
>> Reporter: BOTTOM LINE, THE

4475
02:23:04,000 --> 02:23:05,000
PUBLIC WAS READY FOR CHANGE,

4476
02:23:05,000 --> 02:23:06,000
HE SAYS.

4477
02:23:06,000 --> 02:23:08,000
>> THEY HAVE BEEN LITERALLY

4478
02:23:08,000 --> 02:23:09,000
INDATED FOR YEARS WITH THESE

4479
02:23:09,000 --> 02:23:13,000
BLUE SITES, WHITE SHIRTS, RED

4480
02:23:13,000 --> 02:23:15,000
TIES, TWO KIDS AND A DOG ALL

4481
02:23:15,000 --> 02:23:17,000
PHONY.

4482
02:23:17,000 --> 02:23:19,000
[ LAUGHTER ]

4483
02:23:19,000 --> 02:23:20,000
>> Reporter: AND YOU'RE NOT?

4484
02:23:20,000 --> 02:23:23,000
>> WELL, THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE

4485
02:23:23,000 --> 02:23:26,000
WHO PROBABLY SAY YES.

4486
02:23:26,000 --> 02:23:28,000
BUT 63% OF THE PEOPLE SAID NO.

4487
02:23:28,000 --> 02:23:29,000
[ LAUGHTER ]

4488
02:23:29,000 --> 02:23:33,000
>> Reporter: WE GOT TO DO

4489
02:23:33,000 --> 02:23:35,000
CUTTAWAYS.
>> Reporter: I SPENT A YEAR

4490
02:23:35,000 --> 02:23:37,000
TRYING TO PUT A LITTLE

4491
02:23:37,000 --> 02:23:40,000
PINPRICK IN THAT GUY'S BALLOON

4492
02:23:40,000 --> 02:23:42,000
AND GET SOME OF THAT HOT AIR

4493
02:23:42,000 --> 02:23:43,000
OUT.
LOOKS LIKE I'LL HAVE TO KEEP

4494
02:23:43,000 --> 02:23:45,000
TRYING.
>> CAN'T PUT A PRICE ON

4495
02:23:45,000 --> 02:23:49,000
CHARISMA, CAN SNU WHAT DOES HE

4496
02:23:49,000 --> 02:23:51,000
SAY EAT GOING TO FOCUS ON IN

4497
02:23:51,000 --> 02:23:52,000
THE YEAR AHEAD.

4498
02:23:52,000 --> 02:23:53,000
>> TIME TO GET DOWN TO

4499
02:23:53,000 --> 02:23:55,000
BUSINESS, FOCUS ON THE

4500
02:23:55,000 --> 02:23:56,000
DETAILS.

4501
02:23:56,000 --> 02:23:57,000
HE TOLD ME HE'S NOT ONLY GOING

4502
02:23:57,000 --> 02:23:59,000
TO DRIVE THE BUSES, HE'S GOING

4503
02:23:59,000 --> 02:24:01,000
TO MAKE SURE THEY SWEPT THEM,

4504
02:24:01,000 --> 02:24:04,000
TOO.
>> WE HONOR YOU HERE FOR YOUR

4505
02:24:04,000 --> 02:24:05,000
ATTEMPTS AND YOU SHOULD KEEP

4506
02:24:05,000 --> 02:24:06,000
TRYING, SOMEHOW I THINK YOU'RE

4507
02:24:06,000 --> 02:24:07,000
GOING TO BE FRUSTRATED FOR AT

4508
02:24:07,000 --> 02:24:08,000
LEAST ANOTHER THREE YEARS.

4509
02:24:08,000 --> 02:24:09,000
WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

4510
02:24:09,000 --> 02:24:10,000
>> IT'S GOING TO BE A LONG

4511
02:24:10,000 --> 02:24:11,000
TIME.

4512
02:24:11,000 --> 02:24:12,000
>>> HERE ARE SOME STORIES

4513
02:24:12,000 --> 02:24:13,000
FROM AROUND THE NATION THAT
WE'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THE PAST

4514
02:24:13,000 --> 02:24:14,000
24 HOURS:

4515
02:24:14,000 --> 02:24:15,000
DEMONSTRATORS PRO AND CON

4516
02:24:15,000 --> 02:24:16,000
PICKETED THE SUPREME COURT

4517
02:24:16,000 --> 02:24:17,000
BUILDING AS JUSTICES TOOK UP

4518
02:24:17,000 --> 02:24:19,000
THE EMOTIONALLY-CHARGED

4519
02:24:19,000 --> 02:24:20,000
QUESTION OF DOCTOR-ASSISTED

4520
02:24:20,000 --> 02:24:21,000
SUICIDE.

4521
02:24:21,000 --> 02:24:22,000
BY THEIR QUESTIONS, SIX

4522
02:24:22,000 --> 02:24:24,000
OF THE NINE JUSTICES SEEMED

4523
02:24:24,000 --> 02:24:25,000
SKEPTICAL THAT TERMINALLY-ILL

4524
02:24:25,000 --> 02:24:26,000
PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO ASK

4525
02:24:26,000 --> 02:24:27,000
THAT DOCTORS HELP THEM COMMIT

4526
02:24:27,000 --> 02:24:28,000
SUICIDE.

4527
02:24:28,000 --> 02:24:30,000
AT ISSUE ARE LAWS

4528
02:24:30,000 --> 02:24:31,000
IN WASHINGTON AND NEW YORK

4529
02:24:31,000 --> 02:24:33,000
MAKING IT A CRIME FOR DOCTORS

4530
02:24:33,000 --> 02:24:38,000
TO ASSIST IN SUICIDES.

4531
02:24:38,000 --> 02:24:40,000
>>> TEXACO EXECUTIVES WHO WERE

4532
02:24:40,000 --> 02:24:42,000
CAUGHT ON THAT VIDEOTAPE --

4533
02:24:42,000 --> 02:24:43,000
AUDIOTAPE MAKING RACIST

4534
02:24:43,000 --> 02:24:44,000
REMARKS.

4535
02:24:44,000 --> 02:24:46,000
ONE WAS FIRED, TWO SUSPENDED,

4536
02:24:46,000 --> 02:24:47,000
THE REMARKS LED TO PROTESTS

4537
02:24:47,000 --> 02:24:49,000
AGAINST TEXACO WHICH AGREED TO

4538
02:24:49,000 --> 02:24:50,000
SETTLE A RACIAL DISCRIMINATION

4539
02:24:50,000 --> 02:24:53,000
LAWSUIT FOR $176 MILLION.

4540
02:24:53,000 --> 02:24:54,000
AND THE SCRAMBLE WAS ON IN

4541
02:24:54,000 --> 02:24:56,000
MIAMI WHEN BREAKS ON AN

4542
02:24:56,000 --> 02:24:58,000
ARMORED TRUCK LOCKED.

4543
02:24:58,000 --> 02:24:59,000
THE VEHICLE FLIPPED OVER

4544
02:24:59,000 --> 02:25:00,000
SCATTERING HUNDREDS OF

4545
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:02,000
THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN COINS

4546
02:25:02,000 --> 02:25:03,000
AND PAPER CURRENCY.

4547
02:25:03,000 --> 02:25:04,000
PEOPLE FOUGHT OVER THE MONEY.

4548
02:25:04,000 --> 02:25:05,000
THE COMPANY ISN'T SAYING HOW

4549
02:25:05,000 --> 02:25:06,000
MUCH IT LOST.

4550
02:25:06,000 --> 02:25:10,000
POLICE SAY IT'S NOT A CASE OF

4551
02:25:10,000 --> 02:25:11,000
FINDERS-KEEPERS.

4552
02:25:11,000 --> 02:25:13,000
IT'S A FELONY.

4553
02:25:13,000 --> 02:25:14,000
>>> UP NEXT ON NEWSCENTER 4:

4554
02:25:14,000 --> 02:25:15,000
A REPRIEVE FOR THE CANNIBIS

4555
02:25:15,000 --> 02:25:16,000
BUYER'S CLUB.

4556
02:25:16,000 --> 02:25:18,000
>>> ALSO, SEVERAL CHILDREN ARE

4557
02:25:18,000 --> 02:25:19,000
NOW HEALTH OFFICIALS ARE
TAKING NO CHANCES, GIVING

4558
02:25:19,000 --> 02:25:20,000
SHOTS TO AN ENTIRE APARTMENT

4559
02:25:20,000 --> 02:25:21,000
COMPLEX.

4560
02:25:21,000 --> 02:25:24,000
WLó

4561
02:25:24,000 --> 02:25:25,000
>>> THE CANNABIS BUYER'S CLUB

4562
02:25:25,000 --> 02:25:27,000
IS BACK IN BUSINESS

4563
02:25:27,000 --> 02:25:28,000
FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE

4564
02:25:28,000 --> 02:25:29,000
A POLICE RAID BACK IN AUGUST.

4565
02:25:29,000 --> 02:25:31,000
A SAN FRANCISCO SUPERIOR COURT

4566
02:25:31,000 --> 02:25:32,000
JUDGE RULED THAT THE CLUB CAN

4567
02:25:32,000 --> 02:25:33,000
AGAIN SUPPLY MARIJUANA

4568
02:25:33,000 --> 02:25:35,000
FOR MEDICAL USES.

4569
02:25:35,000 --> 02:25:36,000
JUDGE DAVID GARCIA REPEALED

4570
02:25:36,000 --> 02:25:37,000
AN EARLIER INJUNCTION AGAINST

4571
02:25:37,000 --> 02:25:38,000
THE CANNABIS CLUB IN LIGHT

4572
02:25:38,000 --> 02:25:40,000
OF PROPOSITION 215.

4573
02:25:40,000 --> 02:25:42,000
THE FOUNDER SAYS THE CLUB WILL

4574
02:25:42,000 --> 02:25:44,000
REOPEN  WEDNESDAY UNDER

4575
02:25:44,000 --> 02:25:46,000
THE NEW NAME, CANNIBIS

4576
02:25:46,000 --> 02:25:48,000
CULTIVATE ORS CLUB.

4577
02:25:48,000 --> 02:25:50,000
MEMBERS WON'T BUY MARIJUANA,

4578
02:25:50,000 --> 02:25:51,000
INSTEAD, THEY PAY THE CLUB TO

4579
02:25:51,000 --> 02:25:52,000
GROW IT FOR THEM.

4580
02:25:52,000 --> 02:25:54,000
THIS IS GETTING INTO THE

4581
02:25:54,000 --> 02:25:56,000
COMPLICATED LEGAL ASPECTS OF

4582
02:25:56,000 --> 02:25:57,000
THIS.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FEDERAL

4583
02:25:57,000 --> 02:25:59,000
GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO SAY

4584
02:25:59,000 --> 02:26:00,000
AND POLLUTANTS BUT WITH EVERY

4585
02:26:00,000 --> 02:26:02,000
NEW STORM MORE POLLUTANTS ARE

4586
02:26:02,000 --> 02:26:05,000
WASHED INTO THE BAY.

4587
02:26:05,000 --> 02:26:06,000
>> IN SAN FRANCISCO, WORK

4588
02:26:06,000 --> 02:26:07,000
CREWS ARE RACING TO TRY

4589
02:26:07,000 --> 02:26:09,000
AND KEEP A HILLSIDE
FROMING AND TAKING

4590
02:26:09,000 --> 02:26:10,000
SEVERAL HOMES WITH IT.

4591
02:26:10,000 --> 02:26:11,000
PART OF EDGEHILL WAY IN SAN

4592
02:26:11,000 --> 02:26:12,000
FRANCISCO'S PORTOLA DISTRICT

4593
02:26:12,000 --> 02:26:14,000
SLIPPED THREE FEET YESTERDAY.

4594
02:26:14,000 --> 02:26:15,000
BUT THE HILL SEEMS TO HAVE

4595
02:26:15,000 --> 02:26:16,000
STABILIZED TONIGHT.

4596
02:26:16,000 --> 02:26:17,000
12 HOMES HAVE ALREADY BEEN

4597
02:26:17,000 --> 02:26:18,000
EVACUATED.

4598
02:26:18,000 --> 02:26:19,000
ENGINEERS SPENT THE DAY

4599
02:26:19,000 --> 02:26:20,000
DIGGING TO HELP RELIEVE

4600
02:26:20,000 --> 02:26:21,000
PRESSURE ON THE RAIN SATURATED

4601
02:26:21,000 --> 02:26:22,000
HILL.

4602
02:26:22,000 --> 02:26:24,000
THEY'LL TRY TO STABILIZE IT

4603
02:26:24,000 --> 02:26:25,000
TOMORROW MORNING.

4604
02:26:25,000 --> 02:26:26,000
>>> THE FLOODS THAT BEGAN JUST

4605
02:26:26,000 --> 02:26:28,000
BEFORE THE NEW YEAR COULD END

4606
02:26:28,000 --> 02:26:29,000
UP BEING THE MOST EXPENSIVE

4607
02:26:29,000 --> 02:26:33,000
IN CALIFORNIA HISTORY.

4608
02:26:33,000 --> 02:26:34,000
THE LATEST DAMAGE

4609
02:26:34,000 --> 02:26:35,000
ESTIMATE PUTS THE FIGURE

4610
02:26:35,000 --> 02:26:36,000
AT MORE THAN ONE AND A HALF
BILLION DOLLARS.

4611
02:26:36,000 --> 02:26:37,000
AND THAT'S WITH ONLY 19

4612
02:26:37,000 --> 02:26:39,000
COUNTIES REPORTING INSOFAR.

4613
02:26:39,000 --> 02:26:40,000
THE LOSS OF PERSONAL PROPERTY,

4614
02:26:40,000 --> 02:26:42,000
INCLUDING HOMES AND BUSINESSES

4615
02:26:42,000 --> 02:26:43,000
MAY COST MORE THAN $650

4616
02:26:43,000 --> 02:26:45,000
MILLION.

4617
02:26:45,000 --> 02:26:47,000
PUBLIC PROPERTY LOSSES ARE

4618
02:26:47,000 --> 02:26:48,000
THINGS LIKE ROADS AND BRIDGES

4619
02:26:48,000 --> 02:26:52,000
HAVE BEEN ESTIMATED AT MORE

4620
02:26:52,000 --> 02:26:54,000
THAN $900 MILLION.

4621
02:26:54,000 --> 02:26:55,000
>>> THE BAY AREA HAS LONG BEEN

4622
02:26:55,000 --> 02:26:56,000
A WORLD LEADER IN AIDS

4623
02:26:56,000 --> 02:26:58,000
RESEARCH AND TREATMENT,

4624
02:26:58,000 --> 02:26:59,000
AND TONIGHT HANK PLANTE HAS

4625
02:26:59,000 --> 02:27:01,000
AN EXCLUSIVE REPORT ON YET

4626
02:27:01,000 --> 02:27:02,000
ANOTHER BREAKTHROUGH.

4627
02:27:02,000 --> 02:27:03,000
IT INVOLVES THE NEW MIRACLE

4628
02:27:03,000 --> 02:27:04,000
DRUGS CALLED PROTEASE
INHIBITORS.

4629
02:27:04,000 --> 02:27:06,000
SAN FRANCISCO RESEARCHERS HAVE

4630
02:27:06,000 --> 02:27:07,000
BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT JUST

4631
02:27:07,000 --> 02:27:08,000
HOW LONG PATIENTS HAVE TO TAKE
THEM AND STAY HEALTHY.

4632
02:27:08,000 --> 02:27:09,000
HANK JOINS US LIVE

4633
02:27:09,000 --> 02:27:10,000
FROM THE NEWSROOM

4634
02:27:10,000 --> 02:27:15,000
WITH HIS EXCLUSIVE REPORT.

4635
02:27:17,000 --> 02:27:20,000
>> JOE, IT IS THE ANSWER TO

4636
02:27:20,000 --> 02:27:23,000
THE NEXT QUESTION OF PEOPLE

4637
02:27:23,000 --> 02:27:24,000
WITH AIDS, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN

4638
02:27:24,000 --> 02:27:28,000
YOU TAKE THEM OFF

4639
02:27:28,000 --> 02:27:29,000
THIS FLAT IN SAN FRANCISCO'S

4640
02:27:29,000 --> 02:27:30,000
SOUTH OF MARKET DISTRICT IS

4641
02:27:30,000 --> 02:27:31,000
A STRANGE PLACE TO FIND
THE LATEST ANSWER IN THE AIDS

4642
02:27:31,000 --> 02:27:32,000
PUZZLE.

4643
02:27:32,000 --> 02:27:33,000
BUT IT IS HERE WHERE TWO SAN

4644
02:27:33,000 --> 02:27:35,000
FRANCISCO DOCTORS HAVE SET UP

4645
02:27:35,000 --> 02:27:37,000
SHOP: THE KITCHEN IS AN EXAM

4646
02:27:37,000 --> 02:27:38,000
ROOM, THE SECOND BEDROOM IS

4647
02:27:38,000 --> 02:27:40,000
A LAB.

4648
02:27:40,000 --> 02:27:41,000
AND USING THE SAME MIRACULOUS

4649
02:27:41,000 --> 02:27:42,000
COCKTAILS OF NEW DRUGS NOW

4650
02:27:42,000 --> 02:27:46,000
BEING USED ELSEWHERE,

4651
02:27:46,000 --> 02:27:48,000
THEY HAVE DRIVEN THE AIDS

4652
02:27:48,000 --> 02:27:50,000
VIRUS INTO UNDETECTABLE LEVELS

4653
02:27:50,000 --> 02:27:55,000
IN 20 OF THEIR 4 SEEN FOR A

4654
02:27:56,000 --> 02:27:57,000
WHILE

4655
02:27:57,000 --> 02:27:58,000
SAY WOW YOU LOOK GREAT, YOU'VE

4656
02:27:58,000 --> 02:27:59,000
PUT ON WEIGHT.

4657
02:27:59,000 --> 02:28:00,000
>> Reporter: BUT NOW AFTER

4658
02:28:00,000 --> 02:28:01,000
THEIR SUCCESS WITH SO MANY

4659
02:28:01,000 --> 02:28:02,000
PATIENTS, DOCTORS STEVE

4660
02:28:02,000 --> 02:28:03,000
SCHEIBEL AND BRAD GET HAVE

4661
02:28:03,000 --> 02:28:07,000
ANSWERED THE NEXT QUESTION

4662
02:28:07,000 --> 02:28:08,000
ABOUT AIDS, BY TAKING A STEP

4663
02:28:08,000 --> 02:28:09,000
NO OTHER RESEARCHERS HAVE YET

4664
02:28:09,000 --> 02:28:10,000
TAKEN: REMOVING A PATIENT

4665
02:28:10,000 --> 02:28:15,000
.

4666
02:28:38,000 --> 02:28:39,000
>> Reporter: WITHIN A WEEK?

4667
02:28:39,000 --> 02:28:40,000
>> WITHIN A WEEK.

4668
02:28:40,000 --> 02:28:41,000
>> Reporter: IT CAME RIGHT

4669
02:28:41,000 --> 02:28:42,000
BACK?
>> IT CAME RIGHT BACK.

4670
02:28:42,000 --> 02:28:43,000
>> Reporter: IT IS BAD NEWS

4671
02:28:43,000 --> 02:28:44,000
FOR THOSE WHO THOUGHT THE NEW

4672
02:28:44,000 --> 02:28:45,000
DRUGS WOULD KILL THE VIRUS

4673
02:28:45,000 --> 02:28:46,000
FOREVER.

4674
02:28:46,000 --> 02:28:48,000
AND WHILE THAT MAY HAPPEN

4675
02:28:48,000 --> 02:28:49,000
IN TIME WITH DIFFERENT

4676
02:28:49,000 --> 02:28:50,000
COMBINATIONS, IT IS

4677
02:28:50,000 --> 02:28:51,000
SIGNIFICANT SCIENTIFICALLY

4678
02:28:51,000 --> 02:28:52,000
TO KNOW HOW WELL THE DRUGS DO

4679
02:28:52,000 --> 02:28:53,000
WORK AND FOR PATIENTS TO KNOW

4680
02:28:53,000 --> 02:28:55,000
THEY MUST STAY ON THEIR STRICT

4681
02:28:55,000 --> 02:28:57,000
REGI.

4682
02:28:57,000 --> 02:28:58,000
THAT MEANS 10 PILLS A DAY

4683
02:28:58,000 --> 02:28:59,000
FOR THE PATIENT IN THIS LATEST

4684
02:28:59,000 --> 02:29:04,000
BREAKTHROUGH STUDY WHO DOEEN

4685
02:29:06,000 --> 02:29:11,000
GOFFWHATTED  BE MORE PATIENT

4686
02:29:17,000 --> 02:29:20,000
WITH IT.

4687
02:29:20,000 --> 02:29:24,000
RISKOOATHE TIME  FELTOMFORTAB

4688
02:29:24,000 --> 02:29:25,000
WITH STEVE SO WE WENT WITH

4689
02:29:25,000 --> 02:29:26,000
HIM.

4690
02:29:26,000 --> 02:29:27,000
>> Reporter: WAS IT SCARY

4691
02:29:27,000 --> 02:29:28,000
FOR YOU TO GO OFF?

4692
02:29:28,000 --> 02:29:29,000
>> YES, IT WAS, VERY SCARY.

4693
02:29:29,000 --> 02:29:34,000
RESUS IT WAS VERY SCARY.EST

4694
02:29:36,000 --> 02:29:38,000
>> THAT THE VIRUS HAD BECOME

4695
02:29:38,000 --> 02:29:39,000
ACTIVE AGAIN TOO.

4696
02:29:39,000 --> 02:29:40,000
>> Reporter: SINCE THEN HE'S

4697
02:29:40,000 --> 02:29:41,000
BEEN PUT BACK ON THE DRUGS

4698
02:29:41,000 --> 02:29:43,000
AND THE AMOUNT OF VIRUS
IN HIS BODY HAS DROPPED AGAIN

4699
02:29:43,000 --> 02:29:44,000
TO BEING UNDETECTABLE.

4700
02:29:44,000 --> 02:29:45,000
A SIGNIFICANT LESSON LEARNED

4701
02:29:45,000 --> 02:29:48,000
BY DOCTORS DOING CUTTING EDGE

4702
02:29:48,000 --> 02:29:49,000
RESEARCH OUT OF A MAKESHIFT
CLINIC IN AN UNCONVENTIONAL

4703
02:29:49,000 --> 02:29:54,000
SETTING.

4704
02:29:57,000 --> 02:30:01,000
MORE THAN A LOT OF WORLD

4705
02:30:01,000 --> 02:30:02,000
RESEARCHERS HAVE DONE AND THAT

4706
02:30:02,000 --> 02:30:05,000
BEGS THE QUESTION OF WHY

4707
02:30:05,000 --> 02:30:06,000
WITH MILLIONS OF DOLLARS SPENT

4708
02:30:06,000 --> 02:30:10,000
ON HIV RESEARCH OVER THE LAST

4709
02:30:10,000 --> 02:30:13,000
DECADE CAN TWO DOCTORS

4710
02:30:13,000 --> 02:30:16,000
WITH MINIMUM FUNDING WORKING

4711
02:30:16,000 --> 02:30:17,000
OUT OF AN APARTMENT SOUTH

4712
02:30:17,000 --> 02:30:18,000
OF MARKET HAVE BEEN ABLE

4713
02:30:18,000 --> 02:30:19,000
TO SHOW MORE THAN WHAT A LOT

4714
02:30:19,000 --> 02:30:20,000
OF RESEARCHERS HAVE SHOWN.

4715
02:30:20,000 --> 02:30:24,000
I THINK THERE'S A PROBLEM

4716
02:30:24,000 --> 02:30:25,000
WITH THE SYSTEM.

4717
02:30:25,000 --> 02:30:27,000
>> Reporter: B IT IS NOT

4718
02:30:27,000 --> 02:30:28,000
A SYSTEM THAT HAS HELD BTWS

4719
02:30:28,000 --> 02:30:33,000
IO

4720
02:30:36,000 --> 02:30:37,000
IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW

4721
02:30:37,000 --> 02:30:38,000
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE DRUGS

4722
02:30:38,000 --> 02:30:39,000
ARE REMOVED.

4723
02:30:39,000 --> 02:30:40,000
MANY FEAR THE AIDS VIRUS MAY

4724
02:30:40,000 --> 02:30:42,000
MUTATE DURING THAT TIME

4725
02:30:42,000 --> 02:30:43,000
AND BECOME MORE RESISTANT

4726
02:30:43,000 --> 02:30:44,000
TO FUTURE DRUGS.

4727
02:30:44,000 --> 02:30:46,000
AND AGAIN THESE ANSWERS COME

4728
02:30:46,000 --> 02:30:48,000
FROM THE HEART OF AIDS
RESEARCH IN THIS COUNTRY,

4729
02:30:48,000 --> 02:30:50,000
THE BAY AREA.

4730
02:30:50,000 --> 02:30:52,000
INCIDENTALLY, YOU CAN SEE MORE

4731
02:30:52,000 --> 02:30:54,000
ABOUT THIS STORY THIS COMING

4732
02:30:54,000 --> 02:30:55,000
SUNDAY ON THE CBS NEWS PROGRAM

4733
02:30:55,000 --> 02:30:58,000
60 MINUTES HERE ON CHANNEL 5.

4734
02:30:58,000 --> 02:30:59,000
JOE, MAC,, BACK TO YOU.

4735
02:30:59,000 --> 02:31:01,000
>> YOU KNOW, NOW THAT WE KNOW

4736
02:31:01,000 --> 02:31:02,000
THAT IT COMES BACK,

4737
02:31:02,000 --> 02:31:03,000
UNDETECTABLE DOES NOT MEAN

4738
02:31:03,000 --> 02:31:05,000
THAT THE VIRUS IS GONE.

4739
02:31:05,000 --> 02:31:07,000
IS THAT GOING TO CHANGE THE

4740
02:31:07,000 --> 02:31:08,000
WAY THEY APPROACH THE

4741
02:31:08,000 --> 02:31:09,000
RESEARCH?

4742
02:31:09,000 --> 02:31:10,000
>> THAT IS THE GOAL.

4743
02:31:10,000 --> 02:31:11,000
I MEAN, THE GOAL IS TO

4744
02:31:11,000 --> 02:31:13,000
ELIMINATE THE VIRUS

4745
02:31:13,000 --> 02:31:15,000
ALTOGETHER.
THESE DOCTORS THINK IT MAY BE

4746
02:31:15,000 --> 02:31:16,000
THREE TO FIVE YEARS BEFORE

4747
02:31:16,000 --> 02:31:17,000
THAT IS A POSSIBILITY.

4748
02:31:17,000 --> 02:31:18,000
BUT IT IS A POSSIBILITY FOR AT

4749
02:31:18,000 --> 02:31:20,000
LEAST SOME PATIE THEY

4750
02:31:20,000 --> 02:31:21,000
BELIEVE.

4751
02:31:21,000 --> 02:31:22,000
>> THANK YOU.

4752
02:31:22,000 --> 02:31:23,000
>>> SERIOUSLY ILL PATIENTS WHO

4753
02:31:23,000 --> 02:31:24,000
USE MARIJUANA TO EASE

4754
02:31:24,000 --> 02:31:25,000
THEIR PAIN WON A MAJOR COURT

4755
02:31:25,000 --> 02:31:26,000
VICTORY TODAY.

4756
02:31:26,000 --> 02:31:27,000
A JUDGE HAS ALLOWED

4757
02:31:27,000 --> 02:31:28,000
THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA

4758
02:31:28,000 --> 02:31:30,000
INITIATIVE TO TAKE EFFECT.

4759
02:31:30,000 --> 02:31:31,000
NOT SURPRINGLY, MEMBERS

4760
02:31:31,000 --> 02:31:32,000
OF SAN FRANCISCO'S CANNABIS

4761
02:31:32,000 --> 02:31:34,000
BUYERS CLUB ARE DELIGHTED.

4762
02:31:34,000 --> 02:31:35,000
THE CLUB SPEARHEADED

4763
02:31:35,000 --> 02:31:36,000
THE EFFORT TO PASS PROPOSITION

4764
02:31:36,000 --> 02:31:37,000
215.

4765
02:31:37,000 --> 02:31:39,000
WITH TODAY'S COURT RULING,

4766
02:31:39,000 --> 02:31:40,000
THEY FIGURE THEY'LL SOON BE

4767
02:31:40,000 --> 02:31:43,000
BACK IN BUSINESS.

4768
02:31:43,000 --> 02:31:46,000
>> TO DO OTHERWISE WOULD BE

4769
02:31:46,000 --> 02:31:47,000
THWARTING THE WILL

4770
02:31:47,000 --> 02:31:49,000
OF THE PEOPLE.

4771
02:31:49,000 --> 02:31:53,000
IT FELT SO GOOD TO HEAR

4772
02:31:53,000 --> 02:31:54,000
DEMOCRACY COMING

4773
02:31:54,000 --> 02:31:57,000
FROM A JUDGE AND NOT
SECOND-GUESSING TH

4774
02:31:57,000 --> 02:31:58,000
>> THE LAW REQUIRES THAT CLUBS

4775
02:31:58,000 --> 02:31:59,000
LIKE THE ONE SERVE

4776
02:31:59,000 --> 02:32:01,000
AS THEIR PATIENTS PRIMARY
CAREGIVER.

4777
02:32:01,000 --> 02:32:02,000
WHICH MEANS THE CLUBS WON'T BE
ABLE TO PROFIT FROM

4778
02:32:02,000 --> 02:32:04,000
THE MARIJUANA SALES.

4779
02:32:04,000 --> 02:32:06,000
SO FROM NOW ON, THIS GROUP

4780
02:32:06,000 --> 02:32:09,000
WILL BE KNOWN AS THE CANNABIS

4781
02:32:09,000 --> 02:32:11,000
CULTAT

4782
02:32:11,000 --> 02:32:12,000
PATIENTS MUST ALSO HAVE

4783
02:32:12,000 --> 02:32:13,000
A PHYSICIAN'S APPROVAL.

4784
02:32:13,000 --> 02:32:15,000
>>> WHY DID A YOUNG BASKETBALL

4785
02:32:15,000 --> 02:32:18,000
SUPERSTAR DIE ON A BAY AREA
COURT?

4786
02:32:18,000 --> 02:32:19,000
COMING UP, THE SAD STORY
OF THIS YOUNG MAN'S SHORT

4787
02:32:19,000 --> 02:32:21,000
LIFE.

4788
02:32:21,000 --> 02:32:26,000
>>> A DARING BANK ROBBERY
E ANFARMELTAENDSwóíÑ?í<

4789
02:32:33,000 --> 02:32:34,000
A RIVER OF BROWN WORKING ITS

4790
02:32:34,000 --> 02:32:36,000
WAY DOWN THE SAN JOAQUN AND

4791
02:32:36,000 --> 02:32:39,000
SACRAMENTO RIVERS, DOWN THROUGH

4792
02:32:39,000 --> 02:32:40,000
UIZ STRAITS, DOWN

4793
02:32:40,000 --> 02:32:41,000
INTO THE BAY. AND EVEN OUT

4794
02:32:41,000 --> 02:32:45,000
BEYOND THE GOLDEN GATE. HERE

4795
02:32:45,000 --> 02:32:47,000
YOU CAN SEE THE SURGE OF BROWN

4796
02:32:47,000 --> 02:32:52,000
PAFIoaG AGAINST THE BL

4797
02:32:56,000 --> 02:32:58,000
of debris in the water right

4798
02:32:58,000 --> 02:33:00,000
now and that we want to reduce
the shipping traffic.

4799
02:33:00,000 --> 02:33:01,000
THE COAST GUARD IS URGING

4800
02:33:01,000 --> 02:33:02,000
BOATERS TO STAY OUT OF THE
DELTA AND THE BAY. SOME OF

4801
02:33:02,000 --> 02:33:03,000
THESE LOGS COULD SINK A SMALL

4802
02:33:03,000 --> 02:33:04,000
BOAT.... AND LOOK AT THIS...

4803
02:33:04,000 --> 02:33:08,000
THIS IS PIER 39.

4804
02:33:08,000 --> 02:33:11,000
Dan Nyhan/Boat Owner--

4805
02:33:11,000 --> 02:33:12,000
You have to watch out for your

4806
02:33:12,000 --> 02:33:13,000
prop if you are using an

4807
02:33:13,000 --> 02:33:18,000
Robert Lee--

4808
02:33:24,000 --> 02:33:26,000
This is the worst.

4809
02:33:26,000 --> 02:33:27,000
Even though the flooding began

4810
02:33:27,000 --> 02:33:28,000
a full week ago, the debris
flow into San Francisco Bay is

4811
02:33:28,000 --> 02:33:29,000
still getting worse.

4812
02:33:29,000 --> 02:33:30,000
That's becaues, the

4813
02:33:30,000 --> 02:33:32,000
high and low tid, ha been
getting higher and lower as the

4814
02:33:32,000 --> 02:33:33,000
IN FACT TOMORROW'S TIDES WILL

4815
02:33:33,000 --> 02:33:34,000
BE THE HIGHEST AND LOWEST OF
THE YEAR, WHICH MEANS THE

4816
02:33:34,000 --> 02:33:35,000
CURRENTS BNGING WATER IN AND

4817
02:33:35,000 --> 02:33:36,000
OUT OF THE BAY WILL BE
REMAABLY SWIFT. TODAWHEN WE

4818
02:33:36,000 --> 02:33:37,000
WERE OUT IN THE BAY, THE

4819
02:33:37,000 --> 02:33:38,000
CURRENT WAS ABOUT SIX KNOT

4820
02:33:38,000 --> 02:33:43,000
SEVEN MILES AN HOUR.

4821
02:33:43,000 --> 02:33:48,000
NOT ONLY DO THE CURRENTS BRING
DEBRIS, THEY BRING POLLUTANTS.

4822
02:33:53,000 --> 02:33:58,000
that.

4823
02:34:03,000 --> 02:34:04,000
DELTA WILL FLUSH OUT MORE

4824
02:34:04,000 --> 02:34:05,000
POLLUTANTS THAN THEY BRING. IN

4825
02:34:05,000 --> 02:34:06,000
SAN FRANCISCO BAY, RANDY

4826
02:34:06,000 --> 02:34:07,000
SHANDOBIL FOR THE TEN OCLOCK

4827
02:34:07,000 --> 02:34:12,000
NEWS.

4828
02:34:16,000 --> 02:34:17,000
A TEAM OF GOVERNMENT
SCIENTISTS IS TRYING TO

4829
02:34:17,000 --> 02:34:20,000
DETERMINE EXACTLY WHAT TYPES OF

4830
02:34:20,000 --> 02:34:21,000
TANTS ARE IN ALL
THAT FLOODWATER FLOWING INTO

4831
02:34:21,000 --> 02:34:22,000
THE BAY.

4832
02:34:22,000 --> 02:34:24,000
TODAY.. HYDROLOGISTS COLLECTED

4833
02:34:24,000 --> 02:34:25,000
WATER MPLES FROM BEHIND THIS

4834
02:34:25,000 --> 02:34:27,000
RESEARCH HUT ON MALLARD
ISLAND.. NEAR PITTSBURG.

4835
02:34:27,000 --> 02:34:28,000
THE WATER SAMPLING PROJT IS

4836
02:34:28,000 --> 02:34:30,000
PART OF A FLOOD MONITORING

4837
02:34:30,000 --> 02:34:32,000
PROGRAM RUN BY THE U-S
GEOLOGICAL SURVEY.

4838
02:34:32,000 --> 02:34:33,000
TODAY.. WORKERS FOCUSED ON

4839
02:34:33,000 --> 02:34:35,000
DETERMINING CONCENTRATIONS OF

4840
02:34:35,000 --> 02:34:40,000
N E

4841
02:34:53,000 --> 02:34:54,000
OF WEEKS BEFORE ANALYSIS OF THE

4842
02:34:54,000 --> 02:34:56,000
WATER SAMPLES IS COMPLETE.

4843
02:34:56,000 --> 02:34:57,000
SCIENTISTS HOPE TO USE THE

4844
02:34:57,000 --> 02:34:58,000
DATA TO DEVISE NEW METHODS FOR

4845
02:34:58,000 --> 02:35:00,000
LIMITING THE DAMAGING EFFECTS

4846
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:01,000
OF PESTICIDES ON THE BAY AND

4847
02:35:01,000 --> 02:35:03,000
ITS INHABITANTS.

4848
02:35:03,000 --> 02:35:04,000
ONE OF THE BIGGEST HEALTH

4849
02:35:04,000 --> 02:35:05,000
DANGERS THAT THE FLOODS HAVE

4850
02:35:05,000 --> 02:35:07,000
BROUGHT IS PRESENT RIGHT NOW IN

4851
02:35:07,000 --> 02:35:08,000
ONE OF THE CENTRAL VALLEY'S

4852
02:35:08,000 --> 02:35:11,000
BIGGEST CITIES... MODESTO.

4853
02:35:11,000 --> 02:35:12,000
THE TUOLUMNE RIVER HAS BEEN AT

4854
02:35:12,000 --> 02:35:15,000
FLOOD STAGE FOR DAYS NOW IN AND

4855
02:35:15,000 --> 02:35:17,000
AROUND MODESTO... AND IS LIKELY
TO REMAIN THERE UNTIL THE

4856
02:35:17,000 --> 02:35:19,000
SOME TWO-THOUSAND HOMES HAVE

4857
02:35:19,000 --> 02:35:20,000
SUFFERED DAMAGE IN THE AREA...

4858
02:35:20,000 --> 02:35:23,000
HALF WITHIN THE CITY ITSELF.

4859
02:35:23,000 --> 02:35:24,000
BUT THE WATER LEVEL IS SLOWLLY

4860
02:35:24,000 --> 02:35:27,000
DROPPING.
VERN HAWKINS REPORTS:

4861
02:35:27,000 --> 02:35:29,000
TODAY IN MODESTO'S SOUTH WEST

4862
02:35:29,000 --> 02:35:30,000
AREA .. HIT HARDEST WHEN THE

4863
02:35:30,000 --> 02:35:34,000
FIRST TIME TO HOMES THAT HAD E

4864
02:35:34,000 --> 02:35:35,000
BEEN MOSTLY UNDERWATER.

4865
02:35:35,000 --> 02:35:36,000
CLEAN UP HERE .. JUST OUTSIDE

4866
02:35:36,000 --> 02:35:38,000
THE CITY LIMITS... MEANS

4867
02:35:38,000 --> 02:35:39,000
THROWING MOST EVERYTHING AWAY.

4868
02:35:39,000 --> 02:35:43,000
THERE IS LITTLE TO SALVAGE.

4869
02:35:43,000 --> 02:35:44,000
Collette Rouleau/Resident--

4870
02:35:44,000 --> 02:35:45,000
, nothing .. there aint

4871
02:35:45,000 --> 02:35:46,000
thing to salva not even

4872
02:35:46,000 --> 02:35:47,000
stf on the wall .. because

4873
02:35:47,000 --> 02:35:48,000
the way the house filled up it

4874
02:35:48,000 --> 02:35:49,000
was higher inside than it did

4875
02:35:49,000 --> 02:35:54,000
tside.

4876
02:35:55,000 --> 02:35:56,000
THERE ARE STILL SEVERAL BLOCKS

4877
02:35:56,000 --> 02:35:57,000
.. AUTHORITIES FEEL ARE SO

4878
02:35:57,000 --> 02:36:01,000
CONTAIMINATED .. THEY REMAIN

4879
02:36:01,000 --> 02:36:02,000
THE TUOLUMNE .. MORE OF A FLOOD

4880
02:36:02,000 --> 02:36:03,000
PLAIN THAN A RIVER TODAY ..

4881
02:36:03,000 --> 02:36:06,000
ROLLS ALONG SIDE THESE HOMES..

4882
02:36:06,000 --> 02:36:07,000
WHEN IT FLOODED LAST FRIDAY ..

4883
02:36:07,000 --> 02:36:08,000
THE RIVER ALSO KNOCKED OUT

4884
02:36:08,000 --> 02:36:09,000
MODESTO'S SEWAGE TREATMENT

4885
02:36:09,000 --> 02:36:10,000
PLANT.

4886
02:36:10,000 --> 02:36:12,000
SINCE THEN .. 20-MILLION
GALLONS OF THE CITY'S RAW

4887
02:36:12,000 --> 02:36:13,000
SEWAGE POURS INTO THE RIVER

4888
02:36:13,000 --> 02:36:14,000
DAILY... SOME INTO THE STREETS

4889
02:36:14,000 --> 02:36:17,000
ALONG SIDE.

4890
02:36:17,000 --> 02:36:18,000
Jami Aggers/Stanislaus County

4891
02:36:18,000 --> 02:36:19,000
Dept. of environmental

4892
02:36:19,000 --> 02:36:20,000
resources--

4893
02:36:20,000 --> 02:36:21,000
We're concerned about the

4894
02:36:21,000 --> 02:36:23,000
public wells downstream from

4895
02:36:23,000 --> 02:36:24,000
that .. also the city wells ..

4896
02:36:24,000 --> 02:36:25,000
although it's safe because it's

4897
02:36:25,000 --> 02:36:28,000
upstream .. but those close to

4898
02:36:28,000 --> 02:36:29,000
that .. there's possible

4899
02:36:29,000 --> 02:36:30,000
infection area .. and could be

4900
02:36:30,000 --> 02:36:34,000
MOST OF THE CITY'S DRINKING

4901
02:36:34,000 --> 02:36:37,000
WATER IS SAFE .. IT'S SOURCE IN

4902
02:36:37,000 --> 02:36:38,000
THE FOOTHILLS IS WELL OVER

4903
02:36:38,000 --> 02:36:39,000
THE TUOLUMNE..

4904
02:36:39,000 --> 02:36:40,000
BUT OFFICIALS HAVE BOOSTED

4905
02:36:40,000 --> 02:36:41,000
CHLORINE LEVELS AS A PRECAUTION

4906
02:36:41,000 --> 02:36:43,000
FROM BROKEN PIPES.

4907
02:36:43,000 --> 02:36:44,000
BUT FOR THOSE NEAR THE DAMAGED

4908
02:36:44,000 --> 02:36:46,000
TREATMENT PLANT .. WATER

4909
02:36:46,000 --> 02:36:47,000
TANKERS SUPPLY HUNDREDS OF

4910
02:36:47,000 --> 02:36:48,000
PEOPLE.

4911
02:36:48,000 --> 02:36:51,000
--

4912
02:36:51,000 --> 02:36:52,000
We've been without water for
two days now..

4913
02:36:52,000 --> 02:36:53,000
Christina Kennedy/Resident--

4914
02:36:53,000 --> 02:36:54,000
One of tipes under our

4915
02:36:54,000 --> 02:36:55,000
house broke from the pressure

4916
02:36:55,000 --> 02:36:56,000
..so there's no water supply.

4917
02:36:56,000 --> 02:36:57,000
RED CROSS TRUCKS PREPARE
HUNDREDS OF MEALS DAILY FOR

4918
02:36:57,000 --> 02:36:58,000
PEOPLE WHOSE HOMES HAVE NO

4919
02:36:58,000 --> 02:36:59,000
POWER.

4920
02:36:59,000 --> 02:37:00,000
Rebecca Fielder/Resident--

4921
02:37:00,000 --> 02:37:01,000
About a week now, What do you

4922
02:37:01,000 --> 02:37:02,000
do about meals? we go to my

4923
02:37:02,000 --> 02:37:05,000
mom's a lot.

4924
02:37:05,000 --> 02:37:06,000
HEALTH OFFICIALS URGE THOSE

4925
02:37:06,000 --> 02:37:08,000
WHO HAVE COME IN CONTACT WITH

4926
02:37:08,000 --> 02:37:09,000
FLOOD WATER IN THIS AREA ..

4927
02:37:09,000 --> 02:37:11,000
INCLUDING VOLUNTEERS CLEANING

4928
02:37:11,000 --> 02:37:12,000
UP TOXIC MATERIALS .. TO USE

4929
02:37:12,000 --> 02:37:14,000
CAUTION.

4930
02:37:14,000 --> 02:37:16,000
OVER HERE.
--

4931
02:37:16,000 --> 02:37:17,000
He needs to get a shot .. for

4932
02:37:17,000 --> 02:37:19,000
Tetnus? .. yeah.

4933
02:37:19,000 --> 02:37:21,000
Jami Aggers/Stanislaus County

4934
02:37:21,000 --> 02:37:22,000
Dept. of environmental
resources--We're talking about

4935
02:37:22,000 --> 02:37:24,000
the common diseases .. it could

4936
02:37:24,000 --> 02:37:25,000
be giardia?? diahrea, nausea,

4937
02:37:25,000 --> 02:37:26,000
vommiting .. that type of

4938
02:37:26,000 --> 02:37:28,000
thing.. it could be hepatitas A

4939
02:37:28,000 --> 02:37:29,000
.. we encourag ople to get a

4940
02:37:29,000 --> 02:37:30,000
tetanus shot and we make it

4941
02:37:30,000 --> 02:37:35,000
available at no cost to them.

4942
02:37:36,000 --> 02:37:37,000
MOST OF THIS TOWN OF 200,000

4943
02:37:37,000 --> 02:37:42,000
IS BACK TO NORMAL..

4944
02:37:42,000 --> 02:37:43,000
AND JUST WAITING FOR THE RIVER

4945
02:37:43,000 --> 02:37:44,000
.. DROPPING AN INCH AN HOUR ..

4946
02:37:44,000 --> 02:37:46,000
TO GET A LITTLE LOWER BEFORE

4947
02:37:46,000 --> 02:37:48,000
MORE RUNOFF REACHES IT AGAIN..

4948
02:37:48,000 --> 02:37:50,000
HERE ALONG THE ROBERTSON ROAD

4949
02:37:50,000 --> 02:37:52,000
AREA .. THE WORST HAS ALREADY
HAPPENED.

4950
02:37:52,000 --> 02:37:54,000
Bennie Perez/Resident--

4951
02:37:54,000 --> 02:37:55,000
We live over here .. and we

4952
02:37:55,000 --> 02:37:58,000
loose everything.. but ..

4953
02:37:58,000 --> 02:38:00,000
Vern Hawkins/in Modesto--

4954
02:38:00,000 --> 02:38:01,000
Officials hope to get the
treatment plant back on line by

4955
02:38:01,000 --> 02:38:02,000
next week .. but that may not

4956
02:38:02,000 --> 02:38:03,000
happen unless the Tuolumne

4957
02:38:03,000 --> 02:38:04,000
recedes back into it's normal
channel .. so repairs can be

4958
02:38:04,000 --> 02:38:05,000
made.

4959
02:38:05,000 --> 02:38:10,000
in Modesto Vern Hawkins for the
10 O'clock news.

4960
02:38:14,000 --> 02:38:16,000
THE HEALTH OF CALIFORNIA'S

4961
02:38:16,000 --> 02:38:17,000
ECONOMY WILL BE HURT BY THE

4962
02:38:17,000 --> 02:38:19,000
LASTING EFFECTS OF THE FLOODS.

4963
02:38:19,000 --> 02:38:21,000
AMONG MANY OTHER PROBLEMS...

4964
02:38:21,000 --> 02:38:23,000
CRITICAL PARTS OF THE STATE'S
TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE

4965
02:38:23,000 --> 02:38:24,000
WILL TAKE WEEKS OR MONTHS TO
REPAIR..

4966
02:38:24,000 --> 02:38:25,000
THAT INCLUDES RAILROAD LINES.

4967
02:38:25,000 --> 02:38:27,000
GREG LIGGINS IS IN OAKLAND

4968
02:38:27,000 --> 02:38:30,000
WITH THAT STORY... GREG.y?ñE

4969
02:38:30,000 --> 02:38:32,000
ARE SNEAKY LAWBREAKERS IN

4970
02:38:32,000 --> 02:38:33,000
TOWN.

4971
02:38:33,000 --> 02:38:35,000
THUY VU JOINS WITH US DETAILS.

4972
02:38:35,000 --> 02:38:37,000
HOW DOES IT WORK?

4973
02:38:37,000 --> 02:38:39,000
>> Reporter: IT WORKS BY THEM

4974
02:38:39,000 --> 02:38:41,000
BEING STHEECKY.
LET ME EXPLAIN IN A SECOND.

4975
02:38:41,000 --> 02:38:43,000
BUT I'M AT 7th AND MISSION

4976
02:38:43,000 --> 02:38:44,000
STREET AND THIS IS WORST SPOT

4977
02:38:44,000 --> 02:38:46,000
WHEN IT COMES TO RED LIGHT

4978
02:38:46,000 --> 02:38:48,000
RUNNERS.
THIS INTERSECTION NOW HAS

4979
02:38:48,000 --> 02:38:49,000
CAMERAS.

4980
02:38:49,000 --> 02:38:50,000
BUT SOME OF THE DRIVERS AS YOU

4981
02:38:50,000 --> 02:38:52,000
SAID NEVER HAVE TO PAY A DIME.

4982
02:38:52,000 --> 02:38:54,000
HOW?
BY TAKING OFF THEIR FRONT

4983
02:38:54,000 --> 02:38:57,000
LICENSE PLATES, NO ID MEANS NO

4984
02:38:57,000 --> 02:38:59,000
FINES FOR ENDANGERING AT

4985
02:38:59,000 --> 02:39:04,000
INTERSECTIONS.

4986
02:39:11,000 --> 02:39:13,000
>> YOU SEE IT DVERS PASSING

4987
02:39:13,000 --> 02:39:14,000
THROUGH EVEN WHEN THE LIGHT

4988
02:39:14,000 --> 02:39:15,000
HAS TURNED RED.

4989
02:39:15,000 --> 02:39:16,000
THE CAMERAS INSTALLED BY THE

4990
02:39:16,000 --> 02:39:18,000
CITY TO CATCH RED LIGHT

4991
02:39:18,000 --> 02:39:19,000
RUNNERS PHOTOGRAPH THE FRONT

4992
02:39:19,000 --> 02:39:20,000
OF A CAR.

4993
02:39:20,000 --> 02:39:22,000
NOW SOME DRIVERS VE A NEW

4994
02:39:22,000 --> 02:39:24,000
TRICK, THEYOVE THE FRONT

4995
02:39:24,000 --> 02:39:26,000
NSE PLATES

4996
02:39:26,000 --> 02:39:28,000
>> Reporter: 25% OF THE CARS

4997
02:39:28,000 --> 02:39:30,000
HAVE NOT HAD FRONT PLATES.

4998
02:39:30,000 --> 02:39:31,000
>> Reporter: THAT IS A BIG

4999
02:39:31,000 --> 02:39:32,000
PROBLEM, 20% IS A LOT.

5000
02:39:32,000 --> 02:39:35,000
>> THE OFFICERS ARE GOING

5001
02:39:35,000 --> 02:39:40,000
AFTER IT AS MUCH AS THEY CAN.

5002
02:39:40,000 --> 02:39:42,000
>> Reporter: IT IT ILLEE TO

5003
02:39:42,000 --> 02:39:43,000
NOT HAVE LICENSE PLATES ON THE

5004
02:39:43,000 --> 02:39:46,000
FRONT AND BACK OF YOUR CAR.

5005
02:39:46,000 --> 02:39:47,000
POLICE HERE SAY THEY AREON

5006
02:39:47,000 --> 02:39:48,000
THE LOOKOUT FOR A CONSIDER

5007
02:39:48,000 --> 02:39:50,000
WITH NO FRONT PLATES.

5008
02:39:50,000 --> 02:39:51,000
BUT EVEN THE COPS SOMETIMES

5009
02:39:51,000 --> 02:39:53,000
MISS WHAT IS RIGHT

5010
02:39:53,000 --> 02:39:54,000
NOSES.

5011
02:39:54,000 --> 02:39:56,000
TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THIS CAR,

5012
02:39:56,000 --> 02:39:59,000
IT IS MISSING THE FRONT PLATE.

5013
02:39:59,000 --> 02:40:00,000
TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THE COPS

5014
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:02,000
NEXT TO THE CAR, TAKE A GOOD

5015
02:40:02,000 --> 02:40:04,000
LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE

5016
02:40:04,000 --> 02:40:06,000
LIGHT TURNS GREEN.

5017
02:40:06,000 --> 02:40:07,000
THE CAR, THAT IS BREAKING A

5018
02:40:07,000 --> 02:40:08,000
STATE LAW, TAKES OFF.

5019
02:40:08,000 --> 02:40:09,000
>> Reporter: IS THERE A WAY TO

5020
02:40:09,000 --> 02:40:11,000
PUT CAMERAS IN SUCH A POSITION

5021
02:40:11,000 --> 02:40:12,000
TO CATCH THE BACK LICENSE

5022
02:40:12,000 --> 02:40:13,000
PLATES THEN?

5023
02:40:13,000 --> 02:40:16,000
>> I THINK THERE IS BUT THE

5024
02:40:16,000 --> 02:40:18,000
LEGISLATURE DIDN'T WRITE IT UP

5025
02:40:18,000 --> 02:40:20,000
THAT WAY.
SO WE ARE JUST TEEING OFF THE

5026
02:40:20,000 --> 02:40:21,000
FRONT PLATES NOW.

5027
02:40:21,000 --> 02:40:23,000
THE FINE FOR NOT HAVING A

5028
02:40:23,000 --> 02:40:24,000
FRONT LICENSE PLATE IS ABOUT

5029
02:40:24,000 --> 02:40:27,000
$20, PEANUTS COO THE

5030
02:40:27,000 --> 02:40:29,000
$104 FOR RUNING A RED LIGHT.

5031
02:40:29,000 --> 02:40:30,000
PEDESTRIANS KNOWTILL THINK

5032
02:40:30,000 --> 02:40:33,000
THE CAMERAS ARE A GOOD IDEA.

5033
02:40:33,000 --> 02:40:35,000
>> SEEMS LIKE PEOPLE A

5034
02:40:35,000 --> 02:40:36,000
FINDING A WAY  AROUND

5035
02:40:36,000 --> 02:40:37,000
E NEW CAMERAS.

5036
02:40:37,000 --> 02:40:38,000
>> WELL, IT'S ALWAYS GOT TO BE

5037
02:40:38,000 --> 02:40:39,000
A BALANCE.

5038
02:40:39,000 --> 02:40:42,000
I MEAN, WE CAN'T FOLLOW EVERY

5039
02:40:42,000 --> 02:40:43,000
DRIVER AND PUT MONITORS IN

5040
02:40:43,000 --> 02:40:44,000
THEIR CARS AND THINGS OF THAT

5041
02:40:44,000 --> 02:40:45,000
NATURE.

5042
02:40:45,000 --> 02:40:46,000
>>> CITY OFFICIALS LIKE THE

5043
02:40:46,000 --> 02:40:48,000
CAMERAS TOO, DESPITE THE

5044
02:40:48,000 --> 02:40:49,000
GLITCH WITH THE FRONT LICENSE

5045
02:40:49,000 --> 02:40:50,000
PLATE.

5046
02:40:50,000 --> 02:40:51,000
NOW THE CAMERAS WERE INSTALLED

5047
02:40:51,000 --> 02:40:53,000
THREE MONTHS AGO, SINCE THEN,

5048
02:40:53,000 --> 02:40:55,000
ABOUT 1,000 TICKETS HAVE BEEN

5049
02:40:55,000 --> 02:40:56,000
HANDED OUT.
BY THE END OF THE YEAR, THEY

5050
02:40:56,000 --> 02:40:58,000
TELL ME THEY HOPE TO HAVE A

5051
02:40:58,000 --> 02:41:00,000
NEW RADAR VAN MOUNTED WITH A

5052
02:41:00,000 --> 02:41:02,000
SIMILAR CAMERA, THAT WAY

5053
02:41:02,000 --> 02:41:04,000
RESIDENTS CAN CALL UP ABOUT

5054
02:41:04,000 --> 02:41:05,000
TROUBLE SPOTS AND THE VAN WILL

5055
02:41:05,000 --> 02:41:07,000
BE SENT OUT.

5056
02:41:07,000 --> 02:41:08,000
REPORTING LIVE IN

5057
02:41:08,000 --> 02:41:09,000
SAN FRANCISCO, I'M THUY VU,

5058
02:41:09,000 --> 02:41:10,000
BACK TO YOU.

5059
02:41:10,000 --> 02:41:11,000
>> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW

5060
02:41:11,000 --> 02:41:12,000
THE ANSWER TO THIS.

5061
02:41:12,000 --> 02:41:13,000
BUT IS THERE A FRONT LICENSE

5062
02:41:13,000 --> 02:41:16,000
PLATE ON OUR MOBILE UNIT? JUDGEL

5063
02:41:16,000 --> 02:41:18,000
JUDGE IN SAN FRANCISCO ORTDERED

5064
02:41:18,000 --> 02:41:20,000
IT TO BE PUT ON HOLD.

5065
02:41:20,000 --> 02:41:22,000
ANOTHER JUDGE DECLARED SHE SEES

5066
02:41:22,000 --> 02:41:24,000
NO REASON TO REMOVE HENDERSON

5067
02:41:24,000 --> 02:41:25,000
FROM THAT CASE.

5068
02:41:25,000 --> 02:41:28,000
THE FIGHT OVER MEDICAL MARIJUANA

5069
02:41:28,000 --> 02:41:33,000
IS TAKING A NEW TURN TONIGHT.

5070
02:41:33,000 --> 02:41:36,000
FILING SUIT IN COURT TODAY FOR

5071
02:41:36,000 --> 02:41:37,000
THE RIGHT TO DISCUSS THE MEDICAL

5072
02:41:37,000 --> 02:41:40,000
USE OF USING POT.

5073
02:41:40,000 --> 02:41:42,000
FOUR TOP U.S. OFFICIALS ARE

5074
02:41:42,000 --> 02:41:43,000
NAMED IN THE LAWSUIT.

5075
02:41:43,000 --> 02:41:44,000
WHICH CLAIMS THE GOVERNMENT'S

5076
02:41:44,000 --> 02:41:46,000
THREAT TO PUNISH DTORS WHO

5077
02:41:46,000 --> 02:41:47,000
RECOMMEND MARIJUANA VIOLATE

5078
02:41:47,000 --> 02:41:52,000
THEIR FREE SPEECH.

5079
02:41:52,000 --> 02:41:54,000
WORKPLACE INSECURITY, EVER HEARD

5080
02:41:54,000 --> 02:41:55,000
OF THAT?

5081
02:41:55,000 --> 02:41:58,000
IT HAS REACHED EPIDEMIC

5082
02:41:58,000 --> 02:41:59,000
PROPORTIONS.

5083
02:41:59,000 --> 02:42:01,000
OUR DR. DEAN EDELL TALKS ABOUT

5084
02:42:01,000 --> 02:42:02,000
THE
>> THERE WAS ONE ECONOMIC

5085
02:42:02,000 --> 02:42:03,000
DISEASE THAT DURING THE EARLY

5086
02:42:03,000 --> 02:42:04,000
PART OF THIS DECADE REACHED

5087
02:42:04,000 --> 02:42:05,000
EPIDEMIC PROPORTIONS, LAY OFFS,

5088
02:42:05,000 --> 02:42:07,000
CORPORATIONS AND PUBLIC AGENCIES

5089
02:42:07,000 --> 02:42:08,000
RUSHED TO  AND PEEL

5090
02:42:08,000 --> 02:42:12,000
AWAY WHAT THEY THOUGHT WERENEARS

5091
02:42:12,000 --> 02:42:13,000
OF STAFFING FAT.

5092
02:42:13,000 --> 02:42:14,000
AMONG THE MOST VULNERABLE WERE

5093
02:42:14,000 --> 02:42:18,000
OLDER AND LESS SKILLED
EMPLOYEES.

5094
02:42:18,000 --> 02:42:21,000
THAT WORKPLACE PARANOIA LED

5095
02:42:21,000 --> 02:42:23,000
GOVERNMENT, INDUSTRY, AND LABOR

5096
02:42:23,000 --> 02:42:25,000
EXPERTS TO ADVISE WORKERS THAT

5097
02:42:25,000 --> 02:42:27,000
THE BEST ROUTE TO JOB SECURITY

5098
02:42:27,000 --> 02:42:30,000
WAS LEARNING NEW TECHNOLOGY,

5099
02:42:30,000 --> 02:42:34,000
SUCH AS COMPUTERS.

5100
02:42:34,000 --> 02:42:37,000
AFTER A STUDY AT THE POST OFFI

5101
02:42:37,000 --> 02:42:39,000
OFFICE, THEY CONCLUDED ANOTHER

5102
02:42:39,000 --> 02:42:41,000
WAY TO KEEP THEIR JOBS IS BY

5103
02:42:41,000 --> 02:42:43,000
TRIMMING THEIR FAT, AROUND THE

5104
02:42:43,000 --> 02:42:44,000
WAIST.

5105
02:42:44,000 --> 02:42:47,000
THESE RESEARCHERS TESTED

5106
02:42:47,000 --> 02:42:48,000
THE PERFORMANCE OF OLDER
AND YOUNGER POSTAL WORKERS.

5107
02:42:48,000 --> 02:42:49,000
THEY DIVIDED THE OLDER WORKSERS

5108
02:42:49,000 --> 02:42:50,000
INTO TWO GROUPS, THOSE WHO WERE

5109
02:42:50,000 --> 02:42:51,000
PHYSICALLY FIT AND THOSE WHO
WERE NOT.

5110
02:42:51,000 --> 02:42:53,000
THE RESEARCHERS DID FIND THAT

5111
02:42:53,000 --> 02:42:54,000
OLDER WORKERS AND YOUNGER

5112
02:42:54,000 --> 02:42:55,000
WORKERS PERFORMED THE SAME.

5113
02:42:55,000 --> 02:42:57,000
HOWEVER THEY DID CONCLUDE THAT

5114
02:42:57,000 --> 02:42:59,000
OLDER LESS FIT WORKERS

5115
02:42:59,000 --> 02:43:00,000
CONSISTENTLY UNDERPERFORMED ALL

5116
02:43:00,000 --> 02:43:02,000
OTHER PARTIPANTS.

5117
02:43:02,000 --> 02:43:03,000
THUS THE LESSON IS SIMPLE.

5118
02:43:03,000 --> 02:43:05,000
IF YOU ARE AN OLDER WORKER,

5119
02:43:05,000 --> 02:43:06,000
YOU MIGHT WANT TO GET IN SHAPE

5120
02:43:06,000 --> 02:43:08,000
TO SHOW YOUR BOSS THAT YOU ARE

5121
02:43:08,000 --> 02:43:13,000
PHYSICALLY AS WELL AS MENTALLY
CAPABLE OF DOING THE JOB.

5122
02:43:13,000 --> 02:43:16,000
>> HERE COMES THE STAND DORD

5123
02:43:16,000 --> 02:43:17,000
WARNING.

5124
02:43:17,000 --> 02:43:19,000
BEFORE YOU EMBARRING ON A

5125
02:43:19,000 --> 02:43:20,000
EXERCISE PROGRAM, YOU SHOULD

5126
02:43:20,000 --> 02:43:22,000
CHECK WITH A PHYSICIAN.

5127
02:43:22,000 --> 02:43:25,000
YOU WOULD BE AMAZED TO NO HOW

5128
02:43:25,000 --> 02:43:26,000
MANY PEOPLE DON'T DO THAT.

5129
02:43:26,000 --> 02:43:31,000
>> IF 

5130
02:43:57,000 --> 02:43:59,000
>>> SAN FRANCISCO'S CANNIBUS

5131
02:43:59,000 --> 02:44:00,000
BUYER'S CLUB HAS RE-OPENED,

5132
02:44:00,000 --> 02:44:04,000
THIS TIME WITH A JUDGE'S
PROTECTION.

5133
02:44:04,000 --> 02:44:05,000
AND WITH A NEW NAME.

5134
02:44:05,000 --> 02:44:06,000
CLUB FOUNDER DENNIS PERON

5135
02:44:06,000 --> 02:44:07,000
PRESIDED OVER THE FIRST LEGAL

5136
02:44:07,000 --> 02:44:08,000
SALE OF TWO SMALL BAGS
OF MARIJUANA TO A MAN

5137
02:44:08,000 --> 02:44:09,000
WITH HIV.

5138
02:44:09,000 --> 02:44:10,000
THE NEW CENTER WILL BE CALLED

5139
02:44:10,000 --> 02:44:11,000
"THE CANNIBUS CULTIVATOR'S

5140
02:44:11,000 --> 02:44:12,000
CLUB."

5141
02:44:12,000 --> 02:44:13,000
MEMBERS THIS TIME WILL BE

5142
02:44:13,000 --> 02:44:15,000
REQUIRED TO CARRY PICTURE I.D.

5143
02:44:15,000 --> 02:44:16,000
CARDS, AND MUST PROVIDE

5144
02:44:16,000 --> 02:44:18,000
LETTERS FROM THEIR PHYSICIANS.

5145
02:44:18,000 --> 02:44:19,000
>> THAT MEANS A LOT TO LOT

5146
02:44:19,000 --> 02:44:20,000
OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE PAIN,

5147
02:44:20,000 --> 02:44:22,000
YOU KNOW.

5148
02:44:22,000 --> 02:44:23,000
YOU GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT'S

5149
02:44:23,000 --> 02:44:24,000
GOT THE VIRUS AND STUFF

5150
02:44:24,000 --> 02:44:26,000
AND THEY HAVE REAL BAD PAIN.

5151
02:44:26,000 --> 02:44:28,000
>> I NEVER CONSIDERED MYSELF
A CRIMINAL.

5152
02:44:28,000 --> 02:44:30,000
I'M 52 YEARS OLD NEXT WEEK

5153
02:44:30,000 --> 02:44:31,000
AND I'VE NEVER HAD ANY KIND

5154
02:44:31,000 --> 02:44:32,000
OF CRIMINAL RECORD AND I'M HIV

5155
02:44:32,000 --> 02:44:35,000
POSITIVE.

5156
02:44:35,000 --> 02:44:36,000
>> Reporter: AT THE CANNIBUS

5157
02:44:36,000 --> 02:44:37,000
CLUB, MEMBERS CAN BUY

5158
02:44:37,000 --> 02:44:38,000
DIFFERENT GRADES OF MARIJUANA,

5159
02:44:38,000 --> 02:44:40,000
AND FOOD MADE WITH POT

5160
02:44:40,000 --> 02:44:42,000
INCLUDING BROWNIES, TRUFFLES
AND CAKE.

5161
02:44:42,000 --> 02:44:44,000
>>> ATTORNEY GENERAL DAN

5162
02:44:44,000 --> 02:44:45,000
LUNGREN SAYS HE WILL BE

5163
02:44:45,000 --> 02:44:46,000
KEEPING CLOSE TABS

5164
02:44:46,000 --> 02:44:49,000
ON THE CLUB.

5165
02:44:49,000 --> 02:44:50,000
IT WAS RAIDED LAST AUGUST BY

5166
02:44:50,000 --> 02:44:51,000
STATE DRUG AGENTS BUT FOR NOW,

5167
02:44:51,000 --> 02:44:54,000
FOR THE FIRST TIME UNDER PROP.

5168
02:44:54,000 --> 02:44:56,000
215, THE CLUB AND ITS

5169
02:44:56,000 --> 02:44:57,000
CONTROVERSIAL PRODUCT, IS OPEN

5170
02:44:57,000 --> 02:45:00,000
FOR BUSINESS.

5171
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:01,000
NEWSCENTER 4'S TOM SINKOVITZ
HAS DETAILS IN THIS SEGMENT 4

5172
02:45:01,000 --> 02:45:06,000
REPORT.

5173
02:45:06,000 --> 02:45:07,000
>> I'M OFFICIALLY OPENING THE

5174
02:45:07,000 --> 02:45:09,000
CAN BUS BUYER'S CLUB AND

5175
02:45:09,000 --> 02:45:10,000
CHANGING THE COUNTRY AND

5176
02:45:10,000 --> 02:45:12,000
BRINGING BACK LOVE TO AMERICA.

5177
02:45:12,000 --> 02:45:16,000
>> Reporter:  TODAY DENNIS
PERON BECAME THE FIRST PERSON

5178
02:45:16,000 --> 02:45:18,000
IN AMERICA

5179
02:45:18,000 --> 02:45:19,000
IN 60 YEARS TO LEGALLY SELL
MARIJUANA IN AMERICA.

5180
02:45:19,000 --> 02:45:20,000
THIS IS THE SAME DENNIS PERON

5181
02:45:20,000 --> 02:45:21,000
WHO LAST YEAR LED THE DRIVE

5182
02:45:21,000 --> 02:45:23,000
TO LEGALIZE MEDICAL MARIJUANA

5183
02:45:23,000 --> 02:45:26,000
THROUGH PROPOSITION 215, WHICH

5184
02:45:26,000 --> 02:45:28,000
VOTERS APPROVED BY 56%.

5185
02:45:28,000 --> 02:45:29,000
THE SAME DENNIS PERON

5186
02:45:29,000 --> 02:45:30,000
CURRENTLY BEING PROSECUTED

5187
02:45:30,000 --> 02:45:32,000
BY STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL DAN

5188
02:45:32,000 --> 02:45:36,000
LUNGREN FOR SELLING MARIJUANA.

5189
02:45:36,000 --> 02:45:39,000
IF ALL OF THIS SEEMS CONFUSING,

5190
02:45:39,000 --> 02:45:40,000
WELCOME TO THE BRAVE NEW WORLD

5191
02:45:40,000 --> 02:45:43,000
OF POT LAWS, WHERE ANY DOCTOR,

5192
02:45:43,000 --> 02:45:44,000
PATIENT OR MARIJUANA DEALER

5193
02:45:44,000 --> 02:45:45,000
TRYING TO FOLLOW THE LETTER OF

5194
02:45:45,000 --> 02:45:48,000
PROP. 215 CAN STILL RUN AFOUL

5195
02:45:48,000 --> 02:45:50,000
OF POWERFUL OLD LAWS STILL ON

5196
02:45:50,000 --> 02:45:51,000
THE BOOKS.

5197
02:45:51,000 --> 02:45:52,000
WHILE THE COURTS TRY TO SORT

5198
02:45:52,000 --> 02:45:53,000
IT ALL OUT, POLICE AND PUBLIC

5199
02:45:53,000 --> 02:45:55,000
OFFICIALS, ATTORNEY GENERAL

5200
02:45:55,000 --> 02:45:57,000
DAN LUNGREN AMONG THEM, SAY

5201
02:45:57,000 --> 02:45:59,000
THAT CALLING MARIJUANA

5202
02:45:59,000 --> 02:46:00,000
MEDICINE SENDS A DANGEROUS

5203
02:46:00,000 --> 02:46:01,000
MESSAGE.
>> THAT'S THE CONCERN, THAT'S

5204
02:46:01,000 --> 02:46:03,000
THE BIGGEST CONCERN I'VE GOT

5205
02:46:03,000 --> 02:46:04,000
THAT SOMEHOW THIS SENDS A

5206
02:46:04,000 --> 02:46:06,000
MESSAGE TO KIDS THAT NOT ONLY

5207
02:46:06,000 --> 02:46:07,000
IS MARIJUANA NOT BAD BUT IT

5208
02:46:07,000 --> 02:46:10,000
MAY EVEN BE GOOD FOR YOU.

5209
02:46:10,000 --> 02:46:12,000
>> WHAT DO WE DO?

5210
02:46:12,000 --> 02:46:13,000
>> Reporter: IF LAW

5211
02:46:13,000 --> 02:46:14,000
ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE DON'T LIKE

5212
02:46:14,000 --> 02:46:16,000
THE MESSAGE, THEY REALLY DON'T

5213
02:46:16,000 --> 02:46:17,000
LIKE THIS MESSENGER, FOR MOST

5214
02:46:17,000 --> 02:46:20,000
OF HIS ADULT LIVE DENNIS

5215
02:46:20,000 --> 02:46:21,000
PEROS BEEN FIGHTING TO

5216
02:46:21,000 --> 02:46:23,000
MA MARIJUANA TOTALLY LEGAL.

5217
02:46:23,000 --> 02:46:24,000
AS A POT SELLER IN

5218
02:46:24,000 --> 02:46:25,000
SAN FRANCISCO, HE SAYS HE'S

5219
02:46:25,000 --> 02:46:27,000
BEEN SHOT BY POLICE AND LOCKED

5220
02:46:27,000 --> 02:46:30,000
UP AT LEAST 15 TIMES.

5221
02:46:30,000 --> 02:46:33,000
>> I KNOW THAT YOU PROBABLY

5222
02:46:33,000 --> 02:46:36,000
COULD GET A BETTER MESSENGER

5223
02:46:36,000 --> 02:46:37,000
AND MAYBE THAT MESSENGER WOULD

5224
02:46:37,000 --> 02:46:38,000
BE A STANFORD PROFESSOR.

5225
02:46:38,000 --> 02:46:39,000
BUT IT IS ME.

5226
02:46:39,000 --> 02:46:42,000
AND WITH ALL MY FAULTS AND ALL,

5227
02:46:42,000 --> 02:46:44,000
AND MY PAST, THIS IS WHO WE

5228
02:46:44,000 --> 02:46:46,000
ARE.
THIS IS WHO I AM.

5229
02:46:46,000 --> 02:46:47,000
>> Reporter: PERON SAYS HE WAS

5230
02:46:47,000 --> 02:46:49,000
SITTING IN A JAIL CELL SIX

5231
02:46:49,000 --> 02:46:50,000
YEARS AGO WHEN HE SDREEMD UP

5232
02:46:50,000 --> 02:46:52,000
THE IDEA FOR A CLUB WHERE SICK

5233
02:46:52,000 --> 02:46:53,000
PEOPLE COULD BUY AND SMOKE

5234
02:46:53,000 --> 02:46:55,000
MARIJUANA.

5235
02:46:55,000 --> 02:46:56,000
>> CHOCOLATE CHIP COOKIES.

5236
02:46:56,000 --> 02:46:58,000
>> Reporter: WAS BORN THE

5237
02:46:58,000 --> 02:47:00,000
CAN BUS BUYER'S CLUB,

5238
02:47:00,000 --> 02:47:03,000
DEDICATED TO PERON'S LOVER,

5239
02:47:03,000 --> 02:47:06,000
WHO SMOKED POT TO EASE HIS

5240
02:47:06,000 --> 02:47:09,000
PAIN FROM AIDS.

5241
02:47:09,000 --> 02:47:10,000
HE INVITED OUR CAMERAS HERE TO

5242
02:47:10,000 --> 02:47:14,000
TAKE THESE PICTURES IN 1995.

5243
02:47:14,000 --> 02:47:15,000
>> DIAGNOSIS --
>> Reporter: PERON TOLD US NO

5244
02:47:15,000 --> 02:47:17,000
ONE COULD JOIN THE CLUB OR BUY

5245
02:47:17,000 --> 02:47:19,000
MARIJUANA WITHOUT A DOCTOR'S

5246
02:47:19,000 --> 02:47:21,000
NOTE.
BUT POLICE SAY THAT WAS JUST A

5247
02:47:21,000 --> 02:47:24,000
FLIMSY EXCUSE FOR PERON TO RUN

5248
02:47:24,000 --> 02:47:27,000
A DOPE DEN WHERE ANYONE WITH

5249
02:47:27,000 --> 02:47:29,000
CASH WAS WELCOME SICK OR NOT,

5250
02:47:29,000 --> 02:47:31,000
INCLUDING TEENAGERS CAUGHT ON

5251
02:47:31,000 --> 02:47:32,000
UNDERCOVER VIDEO.

5252
02:47:32,000 --> 02:47:34,000
>> IT'S TRUE, WE DID HAVE TWO

5253
02:47:34,000 --> 02:47:35,000
PEOPLE HERE WITH CANCER, YOUNG

5254
02:47:35,000 --> 02:47:36,000
CHILDREN WHO WERE HERE WITH

5255
02:47:36,000 --> 02:47:38,000
THEIR PARENTS' PERMISSION,

5256
02:47:38,000 --> 02:47:41,000
WITH THEIR ONCOLOGIST'S

5257
02:47:41,000 --> 02:47:43,000
PERMISSION WHO CAME WITH THEIR

5258
02:47:43,000 --> 02:47:44,000
PARENTS.

5259
02:47:44,000 --> 02:47:46,000
>> HOW COME STATE UNDERCOVER

5260
02:47:46,000 --> 02:47:48,000
AGENTS COULDN'T GET IN THE

5261
02:47:48,000 --> 02:47:49,000
DO PRESENTED THESE

5262
02:47:49,000 --> 02:47:52,000
Y DOCTOR NOTESPORTS,

5263
02:47:52,000 --> 02:47:53,000
AGENTS WERE STOPPED AT THE

5264
02:47:53,000 --> 02:47:55,000
DOOR BECAUSE THEIR NOTES

5265
02:47:55,000 --> 02:47:56,000
LACKED SPHISTD MEDICAL

5266
02:47:56,000 --> 02:47:58,000
INFORMATION.

5267
02:47:58,000 --> 02:48:00,000
LAST AUGUST, STATE DRUG AGENTS

5268
02:48:00,000 --> 02:48:01,000
UNDER ATTORNEY GENERAL DAN

5269
02:48:01,000 --> 02:48:04,000
LUNGREN RAIDED THE CANNIBIS

5270
02:48:04,000 --> 02:48:05,000
BUYERS CLUB, SHUTTING IT DOWN

5271
02:48:05,000 --> 02:48:07,000
AS A PUBLIC NUISANCE.

5272
02:48:07,000 --> 02:48:09,000
DENNIS PERON AND FIVE OTHERS

5273
02:48:09,000 --> 02:48:11,000
WERE LATER ARRESTED FOR

5274
02:48:11,000 --> 02:48:12,000
CONSPIRACY TO DISTRIBUTE
MARIJUANA.

5275
02:48:12,000 --> 02:48:14,000
B BUT LAST WEEK, SAN FRANCISCO

5276
02:48:14,000 --> 02:48:16,000
SUPERIOR COURT JUDGE DAVID

5277
02:48:16,000 --> 02:48:18,000
GARCIA ISSUED HIS SURPRISE

5278
02:48:18,000 --> 02:48:20,000
RULING ALLOWING THE BUYERS

5279
02:48:20,000 --> 02:48:22,000
CLUB TO REOPEN UNDER THE NEW

5280
02:48:22,000 --> 02:48:25,000
MARIJUANA LAW, PROP. 215.

5281
02:48:25,000 --> 02:48:26,000
DENNIS PERON'S REACTION?

5282
02:48:26,000 --> 02:48:27,000
>> OF COURSE IT WAS ONE OF

5283
02:48:27,000 --> 02:48:29,000
STUNNED DISBELIEF BECAUSE I'VE

5284
02:48:29,000 --> 02:48:31,000
NEVER SEEN MY NAME WITH

5285
02:48:31,000 --> 02:48:32,000
MARIJUANA FROM COURT THAT

5286
02:48:32,000 --> 02:48:33,000
WASN'T AN INDICTMENT.

5287
02:48:33,000 --> 02:48:35,000
>> Reporter: DAN HUNDRED

5288
02:48:35,000 --> 02:48:36,000
GREN -- LUNGREN SAYS HE MAY

5289
02:48:36,000 --> 02:48:37,000
APPEAL THE JUDGE'S DECISION

5290
02:48:37,000 --> 02:48:39,000
BUT HAS NO PLANS TO INTERFERE

5291
02:48:39,000 --> 02:48:42,000
WITH THE NEWLY-NAMED CLUB.

5292
02:48:42,000 --> 02:48:43,000
FOR NOW.

5293
02:48:43,000 --> 02:48:44,000
>> WE'LL FOLLOW THE LAW.

5294
02:48:44,000 --> 02:48:45,000
WE JUST WANT TO KNOW EXACTLY

5295
02:48:45,000 --> 02:48:46,000
HOW THE COURTS ARE GOING TO

5296
02:48:46,000 --> 02:48:47,000
INTERPRET IT.

5297
02:48:47,000 --> 02:48:49,000
>> Reporter: MEANWHILE, PERON

5298
02:48:49,000 --> 02:48:51,000
STILL FACES CRIMINAL CHARGES

5299
02:48:51,000 --> 02:48:53,000
FOR CONSPIRACY TO DO THE VERY

5300
02:48:53,000 --> 02:48:55,000
THING HE'S LEGALLY DOING TODAY,

5301
02:48:55,000 --> 02:48:56,000
DISTRIBUTING MEDICAL
MARIJUANA.

5302
02:48:56,000 --> 02:48:57,000
>> YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LETTER

5303
02:48:57,000 --> 02:48:58,000
FROM YOUR PHYSICIAN.

5304
02:48:58,000 --> 02:49:00,000
>> Reporter: PERON SAYS THE

5305
02:49:00,000 --> 02:49:01,000
CLUB WITH SCREEN PATIENTS MORE

5306
02:49:01,000 --> 02:49:02,000
CAREFULLY.

5307
02:49:02,000 --> 02:49:03,000
>> YES, I'M GOING TO BE MORE

5308
02:49:03,000 --> 02:49:04,000
CAREFUL, I'M GOING TO WATCH

5309
02:49:04,000 --> 02:49:06,000
FOR NARCS MORE.

5310
02:49:06,000 --> 02:49:08,000
BUT OTHERWISE, IF YOU'RE SICK

5311
02:49:08,000 --> 02:49:09,000
AND YOU HAVE A LETTER OF

5312
02:49:09,000 --> 02:49:11,000
DIAGNOSIS FROM YOUR DOCTOR,

5313
02:49:11,000 --> 02:49:14,000
AND YOUR DOCTOR THIS MARIJUANA

5314
02:49:14,000 --> 02:49:15,000
HELPS YOU, YOU'RE GOING TO BE

5315
02:49:15,000 --> 02:49:17,000
A MEMBER OF MY CLUB.

5316
02:49:17,000 --> 02:49:18,000
>> Reporter: TOM SINKOVITZ,

5317
02:49:18,000 --> 02:49:20,000
NEWSCENTER 4.

5318
02:49:20,000 --> 02:49:21,000
>> THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS

5319
02:49:21,000 --> 02:49:22,000
ALSO INTERESTED.

5320
02:49:22,000 --> 02:49:24,000
THE DEA, THE DRUG ENFORCEMENT

5321
02:49:24,000 --> 02:49:25,000
ADMINISTRATION, TOLD

5322
02:49:25,000 --> 02:49:26,000
NEWSCENTER 4 THIS WEEK THAT

5323
02:49:26,000 --> 02:49:27,000
DOCTORS WHO GIVE

5324
02:49:27,000 --> 02:49:28,000
RECOMMENDATIONS FOR MARIJUANA

5325
02:49:28,000 --> 02:49:31,000
WILL STILL FACE STANDPOINT OF

5326
02:49:31,000 --> 02:49:33,000
FREE AGENCY AND THE CAP AND SO

5327
02:49:33,000 --> 02:49:37,000
FORTH.
AND SO THERE IS THE DEMANDS --

5328
02:49:37,000 --> 02:49:39,000
THEY'RE PRETTY SEVE.

5329
02:49:39,000 --> 02:49:40,000
THEY'RE FUN, THERE'S AN

5330
02:49:40,000 --> 02:49:44,000
EXCITEMENT ABOUT IT, BUT YOU

5331
02:49:44,000 --> 02:49:45,000
HAVE TO STAY AHEAD OF THE

5332
02:49:45,000 --> 02:49:46,000
PACK.

5333
02:49:46,000 --> 02:49:48,000
AND SOMETIMES THAT BRINGS

5334
02:49:48,000 --> 02:49:51,000
ABOUT CHANGES OR THE DESIRE

5335
02:49:51,000 --> 02:49:54,000
FOR CHANGES, AND AFTER AWHILE,

5336
02:49:54,000 --> 02:49:55,000
MAYBE SOMETHING LIKE THAT

5337
02:49:55,000 --> 02:49:57,000
CATCHES UP TO YOU A LITTLE

5338
02:49:57,000 --> 02:49:58,000
BIT.

5339
02:49:58,000 --> 02:50:01,000
MAYBE YOU NEED TO -- I TELL

5340
02:50:01,000 --> 02:50:03,000
THE PLAYERS, "GET AFRESH.

5341
02:50:03,000 --> 02:50:06,000
STEP BACK FROM EVTOHE CHAMPIONSN

5342
02:50:06,000 --> 02:50:07,000
'92 AND '93.

5343
02:50:07,000 --> 02:50:08,000
AND HIS SECOND SUPERBOWL TITLE

5344
02:50:08,000 --> 02:50:09,000
IN '94.

5345
02:50:09,000 --> 02:50:12,000
IN 8 YEARS, SEIFERT RACKED UP

5346
02:50:12,000 --> 02:50:13,000
108 VICTORIES WITH ONLY 35

5347
02:50:13,000 --> 02:50:15,000
LOSSES, THE BEST WINNING

5348
02:50:15,000 --> 02:50:16,000
PERCENTAGE IN ENVELOPE

5349
02:50:16,000 --> 02:50:19,000
HISTORY.
AND THE 49ERS ALL TIME

5350
02:50:19,000 --> 02:50:20,000
WINNINGEST HEAD COACH, TOPPING

5351
02:50:20,000 --> 02:50:22,000
HIS MENTOR, BILL WALSH.

5352
02:50:22,000 --> 02:50:24,000
BUT NOW, A COACH WHO IS OUT OF

5353
02:50:24,000 --> 02:50:29,000
HIS MENTOR, BILL WALSH.
BUT NOW, A COACH WHO IS OUT OF
7á]awçS

5354
02:50:41,000 --> 02:50:42,000
>> HERE'S THE TOP STORY

5355
02:50:42,000 --> 02:50:44,000
TONIGHT.
GEORGE RECEIVER IS OUT AS HEAD

5356
02:50:44,000 --> 02:50:45,000
COACH OF THE SAN FRANCISCO

5357
02:50:45,000 --> 02:50:47,000
49ERS.

5358
02:50:47,000 --> 02:50:49,000
THE WINNINGEST COACH

5359
02:50:49,000 --> 02:50:50,000
PATIENTS.

5360
02:50:50,000 --> 02:50:52,000
THIS GROUP CALLED AMERICANS

5361
02:50:52,000 --> 02:50:54,000
FOR MEDICAL RIGHTS, INSISTS

5362
02:50:54,000 --> 02:50:56,000
DOZENS OF SCIENTIFIC STUDIES

5363
02:50:56,000 --> 02:51:00,000
HAVE ALL REACHED THE SAME
CONCLUSION.

5364
02:51:00,000 --> 02:51:02,000
>> THE RESEARCH IS IN.

5365
02:51:02,000 --> 02:51:03,000
MARIJUANA IS A SAFE AND

5366
02:51:03,000 --> 02:51:04,000
EFFECTIVE DRUG.

5367
02:51:04,000 --> 02:51:06,000
THERE IS NO DOUBT.

5368
02:51:06,000 --> 02:51:07,000
>> Reporter: AND THEY INSIST

5369
02:51:07,000 --> 02:51:09,000
THIS ISN'T ALL PART OF A

5370
02:51:09,000 --> 02:51:12,000
CAMPAIGN TO LEGALIZE POT FOR

5371
02:51:12,000 --> 02:51:13,000
RECREATIONAL USE.

5372
02:51:13,000 --> 02:51:17,000
STEVE MICHAEL IS HIV POSITIVE.

5373
02:51:17,000 --> 02:51:19,000
>> WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS

5374
02:51:19,000 --> 02:51:20,000
SHOULD MARIJUANA BE AVAILABLE

5375
02:51:20,000 --> 02:51:22,000
FOR PEOPLE THAT THAT ARE SICK.

5376
02:51:22,000 --> 02:51:24,000
>> Reporter: PROP 215

5377
02:51:24,000 --> 02:51:26,000
ADVOCATES SAY WHAT HAPPENS IN

5378
02:51:26,000 --> 02:51:27,000
WASHINGTON WILL IN LARG PART

5379
02:51:27,000 --> 02:51:28,000
DETERMINE THE FUTURE OF

5380
02:51:28,000 --> 02:51:29,000
CALIFORNIA'S NEW LAW AND

5381
02:51:29,000 --> 02:51:31,000
WHETHER THAT VICTORY PARTY WAS

5382
02:51:31,000 --> 02:51:33,000
PREMATURE.

5383
02:51:33,000 --> 02:51:34,000
NEWSCENTER 4.

5384
02:51:34,000 --> 02:51:37,000
>> IN A RELATED DEVELOPMENT,

5385
02:51:37,000 --> 02:51:39,000
THE U.S. SUPREME COURT TODAY

5386
02:51:39,000 --> 02:51:40,000
REFUSED TO HEAR OR CONSIDER AT

5387
02:51:40,000 --> 02:51:45,000
THIS TIME ANYWAY AN IOWA MAN'S

5388
02:51:45,000 --> 02:51:48,000
REQUEST TO HELP EASE

5389
02:51:48,000 --> 02:51:49,000
RESTRICTIONS ON MARIJUANA USE.

5390
02:51:49,000 --> 02:51:50,000
THE SUPREME COURT WOULDN'T

5391
02:51:50,000 --> 02:51:55,000
HEAR THE CASE.

5392
02:51:55,000 --> 02:51:57,000
>> NOW A DEBATE ABOUT

5393
02:51:57,000 --> 02:51:59,000
CAPITALISM, AND TO OUR ECONOMICS

5394
02:51:59,000 --> 02:52:00,000
CORRESPONDENT, PAUL SOLMAN OF

5395
02:52:00,000 --> 02:52:03,000
WGBH-BOSTON.

5396
02:52:03,000 --> 02:52:05,000
>> THE DEBATE OVER CAPITALISM,

5397
02:52:05,000 --> 02:52:07,000
DORMANT IN THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA

5398
02:52:07,000 --> 02:52:09,000
THESE LAST FEW YEARS, IS SHOWING
NEW SIGNS OF LIFE.

5399
02:52:09,000 --> 02:52:11,000
THE LATEST SPARK COMES FROM AN

5400
02:52:11,000 --> 02:52:13,000
UNLIKELY SOURCE, GEORGE SOROS,

5401
02:52:13,000 --> 02:52:14,000
ONE OF THE MOST SUCCESSFUL

5402
02:52:14,000 --> 02:52:15,000
CAPITALISTS THE WORLD HAS EVER

5403
02:52:15,000 --> 02:52:16,000
KNOWN.

5404
02:52:16,000 --> 02:52:18,000
IN THE FEBRUARY ISSUE OF THE

5405
02:52:18,000 --> 02:52:19,000
"ATLANTIC MONTHLY," SOROS, A

5406
02:52:19,000 --> 02:52:21,000
BILLIONAIRE FINANCIER AND

5407
02:52:21,000 --> 02:52:23,000
PHILANTHROPIST ARGUES THAT FREE

5408
02:52:23,000 --> 02:52:24,000
MARKET FUNDAMENTALISM HAS GONE

5409
02:52:24,000 --> 02:52:29,000
TOO FAR.
Ñçq

5410
02:52:35,000 --> 02:52:40,000
TOMUCH COMPETITION AND TOO
$

5411
02:52:45,000 --> 02:52:46,000
"PREPOSTEROUS," HARRUMPHS AN

5412
02:52:46,000 --> 02:52:47,000
EDITORIAL IN "THE ECONOMIST"

5413
02:52:47,000 --> 02:52:49,000
MAGAZINE, RESPONDING THAT

5414
02:52:49,000 --> 02:52:50,000
"GOVERNMENTS ALMOST EVERYWHERE

5415
02:52:50,000 --> 02:52:52,000
IN THE WORLD ARE PLAYING A MAJOR

5416
02:52:52,000 --> 02:52:57,000
ROLE IN THEIR ECONOMIES.

5417
02:53:03,000 --> 02:53:05,000
SO HAS CAPITALISM GONE TOO FAR?

5418
02:53:05,000 --> 02:53:06,000
JOINING US TO DISCUSS THAT ARE

5419
02:53:06,000 --> 02:53:08,000
THE MEN BEHIND THE WAR OF WORDS:

5420
02:53:08,000 --> 02:53:09,000
GEORGE SOROS, INTERNATIONAL

5421
02:53:09,000 --> 02:53:11,000
INVESTOR AND PHILANTHROPIST, AND

5422
02:53:11,000 --> 02:53:13,000
BILL EMMOTT, EDITOR OF THEFG

5423
02:53:13,000 --> 02:53:14,000
"ECONOMIST" MAGAZINE.

5424
02:53:14,000 --> 02:53:16,000
GENTLEMEN, THANKS FOR COMING.

5425
02:53:16,000 --> 02:53:17,000
MR. SOROS, WOULD YOU SPELL OUT

5426
02:53:17,000 --> 02:53:19,000
UR ARGUMENT FOR US?

5427
02:53:19,000 --> 02:53:22,000
WELL, YOU ACTUALLY DID.

5428
02:53:22,000 --> 02:53:24,000
I HAVE NO QUARREL WITH MARKET

5429
02:53:24,000 --> 02:53:27,000
MECHANISM AS SUCH.

5430
02:53:27,000 --> 02:53:30,000
IT IS, OF COURSE, SUPERIOR TO

5431
02:53:30,000 --> 02:53:35,000
CENTRAL PLANNING, BUT I DO TAKE

5432
02:53:37,000 --> 02:53:38,000
ISSUE WITH THE LAISSEZ FAIRE

5433
02:53:38,000 --> 02:53:40,000
IDEOLOGY, WHICH I THINK IS BASED

5434
02:53:40,000 --> 02:53:41,000
ON THE MISUNDERSTANDING OF HOW

5435
02:53:41,000 --> 02:53:43,000
THE MARKET WORKS, AND--

5436
02:53:43,000 --> 02:53:46,000
PARTICULARLY FINANCIAL MARKETS--

5437
02:53:46,000 --> 02:53:51,000
AND PUSHES THE RELIANCE ON THE

5438
02:53:51,000 --> 02:53:53,000
MARKET TOO FAR, WANTS TO USE

5439
02:53:53,000 --> 02:53:54,000
MARKET INSTEAD OF, LET'S SAY,

5440
02:53:54,000 --> 02:53:59,000
FUNDAMENTAL SOCIAL VALUES.

5441
02:54:00,000 --> 02:54:01,000
>> SO GIVE US SOME EXAMPLES OF

5442
02:54:01,000 --> 02:54:04,000
WHAT YOU'VE SEEN THAT MAKE YOU

5443
02:54:04,000 --> 02:54:05,000
FEEL THAT LAISSEZ FAIRE IS

5444
02:54:05,000 --> 02:54:09,000
HEADED TOO FAR DOWN THE PATH?

5445
02:54:09,000 --> 02:54:13,000
>> WELL, I THINK GENERALLY IN

5446
02:54:13,000 --> 02:54:14,000
AMERICA, THERE HAS BECOME...

5447
02:54:14,000 --> 02:54:19,000
THERE'S BEEN A CULT OF SUCCESS

5448
02:54:19,000 --> 02:54:23,000
OF MONEY AS THE ULTIMATE VALUE

5449
02:54:23,000 --> 02:54:25,000
INSTEAD OF THE SOCIAL VALUES

5450
02:54:25,000 --> 02:54:29,000
WHICH HOLD SOCIETY TOGETHER.

5451
02:54:29,000 --> 02:54:31,000
AND LATELY, WE'VE BEEN, SAY,

5452
02:54:31,000 --> 02:54:33,000
RESISTING ANY KIND OF SOCIAL

5453
02:54:33,000 --> 02:54:35,000
REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH,

5454
02:54:35,000 --> 02:54:37,000
BECAUSE WE ARE ARGUING THAT THE

5455
02:54:37,000 --> 02:54:41,000
GOVERNMENT OUGHT TO STAY OUT OF

5456
02:54:41,000 --> 02:54:46,000
THE ECONOMY.

5457
02:54:49,000 --> 02:54:51,000
>> SO LET'S STAY WITH THE U.S.

5458
02:54:51,000 --> 02:54:54,000
AS AN EXAMPLE FOR A MINUTE, MR.

5459
02:54:54,000 --> 02:54:55,000
EMMOTT.

5460
02:54:55,000 --> 02:54:57,000
SO WHAT'S WRONG WITH WHAT MR.

5461
02:54:57,000 --> 02:55:01,000
SOROS IS SAYING?

5462
02:55:01,000 --> 02:55:04,000
HASN'T THE U.S. GONE TOO FAR?

5463
02:55:04,000 --> 02:55:07,000
>> I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE

5464
02:55:07,000 --> 02:55:09,000
ROLE OF GOVERNMENT IN THE U.S.

5465
02:55:09,000 --> 02:55:10,000
AND THE WAY IN WHICH IT'S

5466
02:55:10,000 --> 02:55:11,000
INCREASED AND DECREASED OVER THE

5467
02:55:11,000 --> 02:55:13,000
PAST 50 YEARS, IT SEEMS TO ME

5468
02:55:13,000 --> 02:55:14,000
THAT THE ROLE OF GOVERNMENT AND

5469
02:55:14,000 --> 02:55:19,000
OF REDISTRIBUTION AND OF

5470
02:55:28,000 --> 02:55:30,000
-- WELFARE HAS A ROLE IN THAT

5471
02:55:30,000 --> 02:55:31,000
PEAKED IN AROUND 1980, AND HAS

5472
02:55:31,000 --> 02:55:33,000
BEEN DECLINING SINCE THEN.
>> AS MR. SOROS SUGGESTS.

5473
02:55:33,000 --> 02:55:34,000
>> AS MR. SOROS SUGGESTS.

5474
02:55:34,000 --> 02:55:35,000
BUT IT HASN'T DECLINED VERY FAR,

5475
02:55:35,000 --> 02:55:36,000
IT SEEMS TO ME.

5476
02:55:36,000 --> 02:55:38,000
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IF YOU LOOK

5477
02:55:38,000 --> 02:55:39,000
AT THIS CYCLE, PEAKING IN 1980

5478
02:55:39,000 --> 02:55:40,000
AND DECLINING SINCE, WE ARE

5479
02:55:40,000 --> 02:55:41,000
SOMEWHERE AROUND 1975.

5480
02:55:41,000 --> 02:55:42,000
WE ARE FAR OFF FROM THE POSITION

5481
02:55:42,000 --> 02:55:44,000
THAT MR. SOROS SUGGESTS OF THERE

5482
02:55:44,000 --> 02:55:45,000
BEING A RE, SUSTAINED MOVEMENT

5483
02:55:45,000 --> 02:55:47,000
AGAINST EVEN REDISTRIBUTION, BUT

5484
02:55:47,000 --> 02:55:48,000
CERTAINLY AGAINST WELFARE AND

5485
02:55:48,000 --> 02:55:49,000
THE ROLE OF THE GOVERNMENT

5486
02:55:49,000 --> 02:55:51,000
ALTOGETHER.

5487
02:55:51,000 --> 02:55:52,000
THE GOVERNMENT PLAYS AN ENORMOUS

5488
02:55:52,000 --> 02:55:53,000
ROLE IN OUR ECONOMY, AS DOES

5489
02:55:53,000 --> 02:55:55,000
REGULATION OF ALL KINDS AT STATE

5490
02:55:55,000 --> 02:55:56,000
AND FEDERAL LEVELS.

5491
02:55:56,000 --> 02:55:57,000
>> BUT MANY PEOPLE WOULD AGREE

5492
02:55:57,000 --> 02:55:58,000
WITH MR. SOROS THAT WE'VE LOST

5493
02:55:58,000 --> 02:55:59,000
VALUES, THAT THE FREE MARKET HAS

5494
02:55:59,000 --> 02:56:00,000
BECOME THE BE ALL AND END ALL,

5495
02:56:00,000 --> 02:56:01,000
WOULDN'T THEY?

5496
02:56:01,000 --> 02:56:03,000
ARE THEY JUST WRONG?

5497
02:56:03,000 --> 02:56:04,000
>> WELL, I WOULD DISAGREE WITH

5498
02:56:04,000 --> 02:56:05,000
THAT.
IF THAT WAS THE CASE, THEN I

5499
02:56:05,000 --> 02:56:06,000
WOULD AGREE WITH MR. SOROS THAT

5500
02:56:06,000 --> 02:56:07,000
THAT STATE OF AFFAIRS WOULD BE

5501
02:56:07,000 --> 02:56:08,000
BAD.
I WOULD NOT WANT MONEY TO BE THE

5502
02:56:08,000 --> 02:56:10,000
RULING THING IN LIFE.

5503
02:56:10,000 --> 02:56:11,000
I DON'T THINK THAT KNOWING THE

5504
02:56:11,000 --> 02:56:12,000
PRICE OF EVERYTHING AND THE

5505
02:56:12,000 --> 02:56:14,000
VALUE OF NOTHING IS A GOOD STATE

5506
02:56:14,000 --> 02:56:16,000
OF AFFAIRS, BUT THAT IS NOT
WHERE WE ARE NOW.

5507
02:56:16,000 --> 02:56:18,000
>> WELL, CONVINCE MR. EMMOTT, IF

5508
02:56:18,000 --> 02:56:19,000
YOU WOULD, MR. SOROS, THAT

5509
02:56:19,000 --> 02:56:20,000
YOU'RE RIGHT AND HE'S WRONG.

5510
02:56:20,000 --> 02:56:22,000
I MEAN, TO WHAT EXTENT HAS THE

5511
02:56:22,000 --> 02:56:26,000
LOVE OF MONEY TAKEN HOLD?

5512
02:56:26,000 --> 02:56:28,000
>> WELL, TAKE AN ISSUE WHERE,

5513
02:56:28,000 --> 02:56:30,000
LET'S SAY, PROFESSIONS LIKE

5514
02:56:30,000 --> 02:56:32,000
MEDICINE OR LAW HAVE BECOME

5515
02:56:32,000 --> 02:56:37,000
BUSINESSES.

5516
02:56:37,000 --> 02:56:39,000
EVEN POLITICS IS ALL A MATTER OF

5517
02:56:39,000 --> 02:56:42,000
MONEY NOW.

5518
02:56:42,000 --> 02:56:45,000
IT'S A... YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH

5519
02:56:45,000 --> 02:56:46,000
MONEY CAN YOU RAISE?

5520
02:56:46,000 --> 02:56:48,000
SO I THINK THESE ARE EXCESSES OF

5521
02:56:48,000 --> 02:56:51,000
THE MARKET MENTALITY.

5522
02:56:51,000 --> 02:56:52,000
>> YOU DON'T FIND RAMPANT

5523
02:56:52,000 --> 02:56:53,000
COMMERCIALISM, FOR EXAMPLE?

5524
02:56:53,000 --> 02:56:54,000
WE OFTEN TALK ABOUT THAT IN THIS

5525
02:56:54,000 --> 02:56:55,000
COUNTRY, OBVIOUSLY.

5526
02:56:55,000 --> 02:56:57,000
>> I DON'T FEEL THAT IPBS IS

5527
02:56:57,000 --> 02:56:58,000
EXCESSIVE.

5528
02:56:58,000 --> 02:57:00,000
I LOOK IN MY OWN COUNTRY, IN

5529
02:57:00,000 --> 02:57:03,000
BRITAIN, AND I FIND OUR DEGREE

5530
02:57:03,000 --> 02:57:05,000
OF COMMERCIALISM INADEQUATE.

5531
02:57:05,000 --> 02:57:06,000
I LOOK AT AMERICA AND LOOK AT

5532
02:57:06,000 --> 02:57:07,000
BILL GATES AND LOOK AT THE

5533
02:57:07,000 --> 02:57:09,000
ENTREPRENEURIALISM OF SILICON

5534
02:57:09,000 --> 02:57:11,000
VALLEY AND OF INTEL AND OF ALL

5535
02:57:11,000 --> 02:57:13,000
THE COMPANIES THAT ARE CREATED,

5536
02:57:13,000 --> 02:57:15,000
ALL THE JOBS THAT ARE CREATED IN

5537
02:57:15,000 --> 02:57:17,000
THE U.S., AND I... IT LIFTS MY
HEART.

5538
02:57:17,000 --> 02:57:20,000
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IT'S

5539
02:57:20,000 --> 02:57:25,000
TERRIFIC, AND AT THE SAME TIME

5540
02:57:25,000 --> 02:57:27,000
IN AMERICA, LOOKED AT FROM

5541
02:57:27,000 --> 02:57:28,000
OUTSIDE, COMPARED WITH MY OWN

5542
02:57:28,000 --> 02:57:29,000
COUNTRY, SPIRITUAL VALUES ARE

5543
02:57:29,000 --> 02:57:30,000
VERY IMPORTANT AND INDEED, TO MY

5544
02:57:30,000 --> 02:57:31,000
MIND, ARE ON THE RISE.

5545
02:57:31,000 --> 02:57:32,000
IN MY COUNTRY, SPIRITUAL VALUES

5546
02:57:32,000 --> 02:57:33,000
ARE DECLINING.

5547
02:57:33,000 --> 02:57:34,000
>> SO, MR. SOROS, YOU DON'T SEE

5548
02:57:34,000 --> 02:57:35,000
THIS?

5549
02:57:35,000 --> 02:57:36,000
I MEAN, ARE YOU JUST LOOKING AT

5550
02:57:36,000 --> 02:57:37,000
THE WORLD IN COMPLETELY

5551
02:57:37,000 --> 02:57:38,000
DIFFERENT WAYS, OR IN THE UNITED

5552
02:57:38,000 --> 02:57:40,000
STATES IN THIS CASE?

5553
02:57:40,000 --> 02:57:42,000
>> WELL, OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE

5554
02:57:42,000 --> 02:57:43,000
DIFFERENT VIEWS, BUT TAKE

5555
02:57:43,000 --> 02:57:45,000
ANOTHER VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE,

5556
02:57:45,000 --> 02:57:47,000
WHICH I'M STRESSING, AND THAT IS

5557
02:57:47,000 --> 02:57:48,000
THAT MARKETS ARE INHERENTLY

5558
02:57:48,000 --> 02:57:50,000
UNSTABLE, PARTICULARLY FINANCIAL

5559
02:57:50,000 --> 02:57:51,000
MARKETS, AND MAINTAINING

5560
02:57:51,000 --> 02:57:54,000
STABILITY OUGHT TO BE AN

5561
02:57:54,000 --> 02:57:57,000
OBJECTIVE OF GOVERNMENT POLICY,

5562
02:57:57,000 --> 02:57:59,000
AND THAT IS, TO SOME EXTENT,

5563
02:57:59,000 --> 02:58:01,000
RECOGNIZED NOW INTERNALLY IN THE

5564
02:58:01,000 --> 02:58:04,000
DOMESTIC ECONOMY, BUT WE NOW

5565
02:58:04,000 --> 02:58:07,000
HAVE A GLOBAL ECONOMY, AND THERE

5566
02:58:07,000 --> 02:58:10,000
IS NO GLOBAL SUPERVISION OF

5567
02:58:10,000 --> 02:58:12,000
MARKETS, AND I'M AFRAID THAT

5568
02:58:12,000 --> 02:58:15,000
THIS IS A VERY UNSTABLE AND

5569
02:58:15,000 --> 02:58:16,000
DANGEROUS SITUATION.

5570
02:58:16,000 --> 02:58:17,000
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT, MR.

5571
02:58:17,000 --> 02:58:19,000
EMMOTT?

5572
02:58:19,000 --> 02:58:21,000
>> WELL, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT

5573
02:58:21,000 --> 02:58:23,000
STABILITY IS AN IMPORTANT VALUE,

5574
02:58:23,000 --> 02:58:26,000
AND I THINK THAT AN IMPORTANT

5575
02:58:26,000 --> 02:58:27,000
ROLE OF GOVERNMENT--

5576
02:58:27,000 --> 02:58:28,000
PARTICULARLY CENTRAL BANKS, BUT

5577
02:58:28,000 --> 02:58:30,000
OTHER ELEMENTS OF GOVERNMENT--

5578
02:58:30,000 --> 02:58:32,000
SHOULD BE TO TRY TO ACHIEVE

5579
02:58:32,000 --> 02:58:34,000
STABILITY AND TRY TO MODULATE

5580
02:58:34,000 --> 02:58:35,000
THE FLUCTUATION.

5581
02:58:35,000 --> 02:58:37,000
THE MARKET CAN EASILY OVERSHOOT.

5582
02:58:37,000 --> 02:58:38,000
>> RIGHT.

5583
02:58:38,000 --> 02:58:40,000
NOW, YOU SEE, THE THEORY, THE

5584
02:58:40,000 --> 02:58:41,000
UNDERLYING THEORY DOESN'T

5585
02:58:41,000 --> 02:58:46,000
RECOGNIZE THIS.

5586
02:58:46,000 --> 02:58:48,000
THE PREVAILING WISDOM IS THAT

5587
02:58:48,000 --> 02:58:49,000
MARKETS TEND TOWARD EQUILIBRIUM,

5588
02:58:49,000 --> 02:58:52,000
AND THAT'S A DANGEROUS FALLACY.

5589
02:58:52,000 --> 02:58:53,000
>> DON'T YOU THINK... BUT WHAT

5590
02:58:53,000 --> 02:58:54,000
HE'S SAYING, FOR THOSE OF US WHO

5591
02:58:54,000 --> 02:58:55,000
DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT TERM, IS

5592
02:58:55,000 --> 02:58:58,000
THAT MARKETS ARE VERY IMPERFECT,

5593
02:58:58,000 --> 02:58:59,000
RIGHT, MR. SOROS?

5594
02:58:59,000 --> 02:59:00,000
I MEAN, THEY, YOU KNOW,

5595
02:59:00,000 --> 02:59:02,000
ECONOMISTS TEND TO THINK OF THEM

5596
02:59:02,000 --> 02:59:04,000
AS, YOU KNOW, THE BE ALL AND END

5597
02:59:04,000 --> 02:59:05,000
ALL-- I USE THE TERM AGAIN-- AND

5598
02:59:05,000 --> 02:59:06,000
THAT IN FACT, THEY HAVE ALL

5599
02:59:06,000 --> 02:59:07,000
KINDS OF IMPERFECTIONS.

5600
02:59:07,000 --> 02:59:08,000
THAT IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING,

5601
02:59:08,000 --> 02:59:09,000
ISN'T IT?

5602
02:59:09,000 --> 02:59:10,000
>> WELL, I'M BEING MORE

5603
02:59:10,000 --> 02:59:11,000
SPECIFIC.

5604
02:59:11,000 --> 02:59:12,000
I'M TALKING PARTICULARLY OF THE

5605
02:59:12,000 --> 02:59:13,000
FINANCIAL MARKETS, WHICH ARE SO

5606
02:59:13,000 --> 02:59:15,000
IMPORTANT IN ALLOCATING

5607
02:59:15,000 --> 02:59:20,000
RESOURCES, AND I MAINTAIN THAT

5608
02:59:20,000 --> 02:59:24,000
THEY ARE INHERENTLY UNSTABLE,

5609
02:59:24,000 --> 02:59:28,000
AND THAT THE THEORY UNDERLYING

5610
02:59:28,000 --> 02:59:30,000
OUR INTERPRETATION OF FINANCIAL

5611
02:59:30,000 --> 02:59:33,000
MARKETS IS ACTUALLY FALSE

5612
02:59:33,000 --> 02:59:36,000
BECAUSE IT IS BASED ON A

5613
02:59:36,000 --> 02:59:38,000
NONEXISTENT WORLD, BASED ON

5614
02:59:38,000 --> 02:59:40,000
CERTAIN ASSUMPTIONS WHICH ARE

5615
02:59:40,000 --> 02:59:41,000
NECESSARY TO MAKE THE THEORY

5616
02:59:41,000 --> 02:59:42,000
WORK, BUT THEY ARE NOT

5617
02:59:42,000 --> 02:59:44,000
CORRESPONDING TO WHAT HAPPENS IN

5618
02:59:44,000 --> 02:59:45,000
THE REAL WORLD.

5619
02:59:45,000 --> 02:59:46,000
>> BUT I WANT TO ASK JUST A...

5620
02:59:46,000 --> 02:59:47,000
BUT THEN WHAT HAPPENS?

5621
02:59:47,000 --> 02:59:48,000
WE HAVE A WORLDWIDE CRASH OR

5622
02:59:48,000 --> 02:59:49,000
SOMETHING?
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE WORRIED

5623
02:59:49,000 --> 02:59:51,000
ABOUT?

5624
02:59:51,000 --> 02:59:53,000
>> WELL, YOU HAVE... MARKETS ARE

5625
02:59:53,000 --> 02:59:54,000
IN A BOOM-BUST MODE.

5626
02:59:54,000 --> 02:59:57,000
>> CYCLE.

5627
02:59:57,000 --> 03:00:00,000
>> AND UNLESS YOU RECOGNIZE THAT

5628
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:01,000
YOU HAVE TO TAKE ACTION TO

5629
03:00:01,000 --> 03:00:02,000
PREVENT THEM FROM OVERSHOOTING,

5630
03:00:02,000 --> 03:00:03,000
THEY WILL, IN FACT, OVERSHOOT,

5631
03:00:03,000 --> 03:00:07,000
AND THIS WONDERFUL GLOBAL

5632
03:00:07,000 --> 03:00:09,000
ECONOMY zICH I ADMIRE AND ENJOY

5633
03:00:09,000 --> 03:00:14,000
WOULD BE DESTROYED.

5634
03:00:14,000 --> 03:00:15,000
IT HAS BEEN DESTROYED IN THE

5635
03:00:15,000 --> 03:00:17,000
PAST, AND I'M AFRAID THAT IT

5636
03:00:17,000 --> 03:00:18,000
MIGHT HAPPEN AGAIN UNLESS WE

5637
03:00:18,000 --> 03:00:20,000
RECOGNIZE.

5638
03:00:20,000 --> 03:00:21,000
YOU SEE THAT?

5639
03:00:21,000 --> 03:00:24,000
MARKETS ARE NOT PERFECT.

5640
03:00:24,000 --> 03:00:25,000
>> MY FEELING, MR. SOROS, IS

5641
03:00:25,000 --> 03:00:28,000
THAT YOU AND I AGREE ABOUT WHAT

5642
03:00:28,000 --> 03:00:30,000
PROBLEMS NEED SOLUTIONS, BUT I

5643
03:00:30,000 --> 03:00:33,000
THINK WE DISAGREE ON WHAT

5644
03:00:33,000 --> 03:00:34,000
ECONOMISTS AND OTHER

5645
03:00:34,000 --> 03:00:36,000
COMMENTATORS ARE ACTUALLY

5646
03:00:36,000 --> 03:00:38,000
THINKING, BECAUSE THE ECONOMICS

5647
03:00:38,000 --> 03:00:39,000
THAT I READ DOES NOT ASSUME THAT

5648
03:00:39,000 --> 03:00:43,000
MARKETS ARE STABLE.

5649
03:00:43,000 --> 03:00:44,000
IT DOES NOT ASSUME THAT

5650
03:00:44,000 --> 03:00:45,000
EVERYTHING COMES TO A BALANCE IN

5651
03:00:45,000 --> 03:00:48,000
A NEAT WAY.

5652
03:00:48,000 --> 03:00:49,000
EXTREME ECONOMIC THEORY...

5653
03:00:49,000 --> 03:00:50,000
>> HOW MUCH...

5654
03:00:50,000 --> 03:00:51,000
>> LET ME FINISH.

5655
03:00:51,000 --> 03:00:54,000
EXTREME ECONOMIC THEORY USED

5656
03:00:54,000 --> 03:00:56,000
ONLY TO RADICALLY SIMPLIFY THE

5657
03:00:56,000 --> 03:00:57,000
WORLD AND PRODUCE AN UTTERLY

5658
03:00:57,000 --> 03:00:58,000
ARTIFICIAL PICTURE IN ORDER TO

5659
03:00:58,000 --> 03:01:00,000
DEMONSTRATE THEORETICAL POINTS,

5660
03:01:00,000 --> 03:01:02,000
THAT DOES ASSUME THAT.

5661
03:01:02,000 --> 03:01:04,000
BUT NO PRACTICING POLICY-MAKER,

5662
03:01:04,000 --> 03:01:06,000
ALAN GREENSPAN OR ANYBODY ELSE,

5663
03:01:06,000 --> 03:01:08,000
BELIEVES THAT MARKETS ARE

5664
03:01:08,000 --> 03:01:09,000
INHERENTLY STABLE.

5665
03:01:09,000 --> 03:01:10,000
THEY THINK THAT ECONOMICS IS

5666
03:01:10,000 --> 03:01:11,000
ABOUT INSTABILITY.

5667
03:01:11,000 --> 03:01:12,000
>> GENTLEMEN, LET ME GET BACK TO

5668
03:01:12,000 --> 03:01:13,000
A SORT OF MORE MUNDANE CASE, IF

5669
03:01:13,000 --> 03:01:15,000
YOU WILL.

5670
03:01:15,000 --> 03:01:16,000
MR. SOROS, YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF

5671
03:01:16,000 --> 03:01:17,000
WORK IN RUSSIA, AND ONE OF THE

5672
03:01:17,000 --> 03:01:19,000
THINGS YOU WROTE ABOUT IN YOUR

5673
03:01:19,000 --> 03:01:21,000
"ATLANTIC" ARTICLE IS WHEN YOU

5674
03:01:21,000 --> 03:01:22,000
LOOKED AT RUSSIA, THAT'S WHERE

5675
03:01:22,000 --> 03:01:23,000
YOU BEGAN TO DISCOVER THAT YOU

5676
03:01:23,000 --> 03:01:24,000
THOUGHT LAISSEZ FAIRE WAS GOING

5677
03:01:24,000 --> 03:01:25,000
TOO FAR.

5678
03:01:25,000 --> 03:01:27,000
COULD YOU EXPLAIN THE PROBLEM OF

5679
03:01:27,000 --> 03:01:28,000
RUSSIA IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU'RE

5680
03:01:28,000 --> 03:01:30,000
TALKING ABOUT?

5681
03:01:30,000 --> 03:01:32,000
>> WELL, THIS IS A VERY BIG

5682
03:01:32,000 --> 03:01:34,000
PROBLEM THAT THE... THERE WAS A

5683
03:01:34,000 --> 03:01:36,000
CENTRAL-PLANNED... CENTRALLY

5684
03:01:36,000 --> 03:01:40,000
PLANNED ECONOMY WHICH COLLAPSED,

5685
03:01:40,000 --> 03:01:41,000
AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF A

5686
03:01:41,000 --> 03:01:43,000
MARKET ECONOMY, WHICH REQUIRES

5687
03:01:43,000 --> 03:01:45,000
LAWS AND INSTITUTIONS, WERE NOT

5688
03:01:45,000 --> 03:01:49,000
INTRODUCED, SO YOU HAD THE MOST

5689
03:01:49,000 --> 03:01:51,000
RAMPANT ROBBER CAPITALISM WHICH

5690
03:01:51,000 --> 03:01:52,000
CURRENTLY PREVAILS, AND THAT IS

5691
03:01:52,000 --> 03:01:54,000
A RATHER, LET'S SAY, UNPLEASANT,

5692
03:01:54,000 --> 03:01:56,000
INTOLERABLE SITUATION, AND
PEOPLE IN RUSSIA ARE VERY

5693
03:01:56,000 --> 03:01:59,000
DISAPPOINTED.

5694
03:01:59,000 --> 03:02:04,000
PEOPLE WHO WERE OPPOSED TO

5695
03:02:10,000 --> 03:02:13,000
COMMUNISM ARE NOW DISILLUSIONED

5696
03:02:13,000 --> 03:02:15,000
WITH THE ROBBER CAPITALISM WHICH

5697
03:02:15,000 --> 03:02:16,000
PREVAILS THERE.

5698
03:02:16,000 --> 03:02:18,000
>> NOW HERE I AGREE 100% WITH

5699
03:02:18,000 --> 03:02:20,000
MR. SOROS ON THIS.

5700
03:02:20,000 --> 03:02:23,000
I THINK THAT RUSSIA CURRENTLY IS

5701
03:02:23,000 --> 03:02:25,000
A CASE IN WHICH FREE MARKET

5702
03:02:25,000 --> 03:02:27,000
IDEOLOGY HAS GONE TOO FAR, IF

5703
03:02:27,000 --> 03:02:28,000
IT'S REALLY IDEOLOGICALLY

5704
03:02:28,000 --> 03:02:32,000
DRIVEN.

5705
03:02:32,000 --> 03:02:33,000
I THINK THERE IS A KIND OF

5706
03:02:33,000 --> 03:02:34,000
ROBBER CAPITALISM OF A VERY 19th

5707
03:02:34,000 --> 03:02:35,000
CENTURY, ALMOST WILD WEST

5708
03:02:35,000 --> 03:02:37,000
CAPITALISM SORT IN RUSSIA.

5709
03:02:37,000 --> 03:02:38,000
>> THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN

5710
03:02:38,000 --> 03:02:40,000
CALLING LAISSEZ FAIRE; THAT IS,

5711
03:02:40,000 --> 03:02:41,000
YOU LET PEOPLE DO WHATEVER THEY

5712
03:02:41,000 --> 03:02:42,000
WANT.

5713
03:02:42,000 --> 03:02:44,000
>> YES, AND IT'S ESSENTIALLY

5714
03:02:44,000 --> 03:02:48,000
THEFT AS MUCH AS CAPITALISM, AND

5715
03:02:48,000 --> 03:02:50,000
I THINK THAT THERE IS A RISK IN

5716
03:02:50,000 --> 03:02:52,000
RUSSIA THAT THE WHOLE MARKET

5717
03:02:52,000 --> 03:02:55,000
IDEA, THE WHOLE IDEA OF

5718
03:02:55,000 --> 03:02:57,000
INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM THAT'S

5719
03:02:57,000 --> 03:03:01,000
ASSOCIATED WITH CAPITALISM GETS

5720
03:03:01,000 --> 03:03:02,000
DISCREDITED BECAUSE BASICALLY

5721
03:03:02,000 --> 03:03:04,000
THERE ARE SOME THIEVES THERE

5722
03:03:04,000 --> 03:03:09,000
WHO ARE ESSENTIALLY... IT'S LIKE

5723
03:03:09,000 --> 03:03:10,000
HAVING THE MAFIA RUN YOUR ENTIRE

5724
03:03:10,000 --> 03:03:11,000
ECONOMY.

5725
03:03:11,000 --> 03:03:12,000
AND I THINK THAT IN RUSSIA, AS
WITH OTHER COUNTRIES LIKE

5726
03:03:12,000 --> 03:03:14,000
ALBANIA IN A SIMILAR

5727
03:03:14,000 --> 03:03:15,000
CIRCUMSTANCE, WITH UNSTABLE

5728
03:03:15,000 --> 03:03:16,000
CAPITALISM, ABSOLUTELY, I AGREE

5729
03:03:16,000 --> 03:03:17,000
WITH MR. SOROS.

5730
03:03:17,000 --> 03:03:18,000
IT'S THE UNITED STATES I DON'T
THINK...

5731
03:03:18,000 --> 03:03:19,000
>> RIGHT, BUT IT'S A TREMENDOUS

5732
03:03:19,000 --> 03:03:20,000
WORRY, IS IT NOT?

5733
03:03:20,000 --> 03:03:21,000
I MEAN, RUSSIA... IF RUSSIA WERE

5734
03:03:21,000 --> 03:03:22,000
TO GO IN A TOTALITARIAN

5735
03:03:22,000 --> 03:03:23,000
DIRECTION, SAY, BECAUSE FREE

5736
03:03:23,000 --> 03:03:24,000
MARKET CAPITALISM SEEMED TO HAVE

5737
03:03:24,000 --> 03:03:25,000
FAILED, THAT IS THE KIND OF

5738
03:03:25,000 --> 03:03:26,000
THING YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT, IS

5739
03:03:26,000 --> 03:03:27,000
IT NOT, MR. SOROS?

5740
03:03:27,000 --> 03:03:29,000
>> THAT IS RIGHT, AND I THINK WE

5741
03:03:29,000 --> 03:03:30,000
COULD HAVE HELPED HAD WE HAD A

5742
03:03:30,000 --> 03:03:33,000
DIFFERENT FRAME OF MIND.

5743
03:03:33,000 --> 03:03:34,000
I MEAN, WE HAD A MARSHAL PLAN

5744
03:03:34,000 --> 03:03:35,000
AFTER THE SECOND WORLD WAR.

5745
03:03:35,000 --> 03:03:37,000
THERE COULD HAVE BEEN A SIMILAR

5746
03:03:37,000 --> 03:03:40,000
KIND OF ASSISTANCE PROVIDED TO

5747
03:03:40,000 --> 03:03:42,000
RUSSIA TO HELP WITH THE

5748
03:03:42,000 --> 03:03:45,000
TRANSITION, BUT WE WERE NOT IN A

5749
03:03:45,000 --> 03:03:47,000
HELPING MOOD, BECAUSE WE

5750
03:03:47,000 --> 03:03:49,000
BELIEVED THAT EVERYBODY IS OUT

5751
03:03:49,000 --> 03:03:50,000
FOR HIMSELF, THAT WE ARE IN A

5752
03:03:50,000 --> 03:03:52,000
COMPETITIVE WORLD, THAT, YOU

5753
03:03:52,000 --> 03:03:54,000
KNOW, PURSUING YOUR SELF-

5754
03:03:54,000 --> 03:03:56,000
INTEREST IS ENOUGH, AND THIS IS

5755
03:03:56,000 --> 03:03:58,000
WHERE I THINK THAT OUR VALUES

5756
03:03:58,000 --> 03:04:02,000
HAVE GOTTEN SCREWED BECAUSE OF

5757
03:04:02,000 --> 03:04:07,000
THE WAY WE'VE BECOME, SAY,

5758
03:04:07,000 --> 03:04:08,000
SLAVES OF THE MARKET, IF YOU

5759
03:04:08,000 --> 03:04:10,000
LIKE, IF I MAY SAY THAT.

5760
03:04:10,000 --> 03:04:12,000
>> SCREWED UP, YOU MEAN?

5761
03:04:12,000 --> 03:04:15,000
ALL RIGHT, YES.

5762
03:04:15,000 --> 03:04:16,000
SO THE FREE MARKET IDEOLOGY...

5763
03:04:16,000 --> 03:04:18,000
>> SKEWED, I MEANT.
(LAUGHTER)

5764
03:04:18,000 --> 03:04:19,000
>> OKAY, THEN THE FREE MARKET

5765
03:04:19,000 --> 03:04:21,000
IDEOLOGY DIDN'T HELP RUSSIA, AND

5766
03:04:21,000 --> 03:04:22,000
IT'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THE

5767
03:04:22,000 --> 03:04:24,000
PROBLEM HE STARTED OUT TALKING

5768
03:04:24,000 --> 03:04:26,000
ABOUT.

5769
03:04:26,000 --> 03:04:28,000
I LEAVE YOU TO RESPOND TO THAT.

5770
03:04:28,000 --> 03:04:29,000
>> I DISAGREE WITH THAT AS A

5771
03:04:29,000 --> 03:04:31,000
PIECE OF HISTORY.

5772
03:04:31,000 --> 03:04:32,000
I THINK THAT THE REASON THAT THE

5773
03:04:32,000 --> 03:04:34,000
UNITED STATES AND EUROPE DIDN'T

5774
03:04:34,000 --> 03:04:35,000
SEND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO

5775
03:04:35,000 --> 03:04:37,000
RUSSIA, ALTHOUGH WE SENT A LOT

5776
03:04:37,000 --> 03:04:38,000
OF MONEY, BUT WE DIDN'T SEND

5777
03:04:38,000 --> 03:04:39,000
BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS

5778
03:04:39,000 --> 03:04:41,000
ÑIN A MARSHAL PLAN SORT OF WAY,

5779
03:04:41,000 --> 03:04:42,000
WAS BECAUSE WE FELT IT WAS LIKE

5780
03:04:42,000 --> 03:04:43,000
PILING UP DOLLARS IN THE STREET

5781
03:04:43,000 --> 03:04:45,000
AND SETTING FIRE TO IT.

5782
03:04:45,000 --> 03:04:47,000
WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A WASTE

5783
03:04:47,000 --> 03:04:48,000
OF MONEY BECAUSE WHAT RUSSIA

5784
03:04:48,000 --> 03:04:50,000
NEEDED WAS INSTITUTIONS, THE

5785
03:04:50,000 --> 03:04:51,000
RULE OF LAW; IT NEEDED A

5786
03:04:51,000 --> 03:04:52,000
FUNCTIONING DEMOCRACY, THINGS

5787
03:04:52,000 --> 03:04:54,000
YOU CAN'T EASILY BUY.

5788
03:04:54,000 --> 03:04:56,000
RUSSIA HAD HYPER-INFLATION,

5789
03:04:56,000 --> 03:04:57,000
RAPIDLY RISING PRICES, CHAOS,

5790
03:04:57,000 --> 03:04:59,000
AND WE THOUGHT THAT ACTUALLY, IT

5791
03:04:59,000 --> 03:05:01,000
WOULD BE A WASTE OMONEY.

5792
03:05:01,000 --> 03:05:02,000
I DON'T THINK THAT IDEOLOGY

5793
03:05:02,000 --> 03:05:04,000
REALLY PREVENTED THE MONEY GOING

5794
03:05:04,000 --> 03:05:05,000
THERE.

5795
03:05:05,000 --> 03:05:06,000
THIS WAS UNDER SEVERAL DIFFERENT

5796
03:05:06,000 --> 03:05:07,000
ADMINISTRATIONS THAT THAT

5797
03:05:07,000 --> 03:05:09,000
RELUCTANCE CAME... TOOK PLACE.

5798
03:05:09,000 --> 03:05:10,000
THE RELUCTANCE WAS HELD BY

5799
03:05:10,000 --> 03:05:12,000
GOVERNMENTS OF THE LEFT IN

5800
03:05:12,000 --> 03:05:13,000
EUROPE AND OF THE RIGHT.

5801
03:05:13,000 --> 03:05:16,000
THIS ISN'T AN IDEOLOGICAL

5802
03:05:16,000 --> 03:05:17,000
QUESTION, IN MY OPINION.

5803
03:05:17,000 --> 03:05:18,000
>> ALL RIGHT.

5804
03:05:18,000 --> 03:05:19,000
WELL, GENTLEMEN, I THINK WE'RE

5805
03:05:19,000 --> 03:05:20,000
GOING TO HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE.

5806
03:05:20,000 --> 03:05:21,000
THIS IS A CONVERSATION THAT WILL

5807
03:05:21,000 --> 03:05:22,000
PROBABLY CONTINUE FOR ANOTHER

5808
03:05:22,000 --> 03:05:23,000
COUPLE OF CENTURIES, AS IT HAS

5809
03:05:23,000 --> 03:05:24,000
FOR A COUPLE OF CENTURIES

5810
03:05:24,000 --> 03:05:25,000
ALREADY.

5811
03:05:25,000 --> 03:05:30,000
THANKS VERY MUCH.

5812
03:05:30,000 --> 03:05:35,000
[Captioning sponsored by
THE U.S. D

5813
03:05:35,000 --> 03:05:40,000
>> WHEN I FIRST GOT INTRODUCED
TO DRUGS IT TOOK AE .

5814
03:05:41,000 --> 03:05:43,000
I HAD NOBODY.

5815
03:05:43,000 --> 03:05:44,000
I DIDN'T KNOW WHO I WAS STAYING

5816
03:05:44,000 --> 03:05:47,000
ARE OF ME. KNOW WHO THE HELL WAS

5817
03:05:47,000 --> 03:05:49,000
ING

5818
03:05:49,000 --> 03:05:54,000
ANT

5819
03:05:56,000 --> 03:05:57,000
I TRIED DRUGS SO YOU COULD BE

5820
03:05:57,000 --> 03:06:01,000
ACCEPTED BY SOMEBODY.

5821
03:06:01,000 --> 03:06:05,000
>> IN THE NEXT 48 HOURS...

5822
03:06:05,000 --> 03:06:06,000
>> HOW OFTEN DID YOU SMOKE
MARIJUANA?

5823
03:06:06,000 --> 03:06:07,000
>>ALL DAY LONG.

5824
03:06:07,000 --> 03:06:09,000
>> I FINALLY REALIZED I COULDN'T

5825
03:06:09,000 --> 03:06:11,000
HE H
>> HI, MOM.D POT.é

5826
03:06:11,000 --> 03:06:12,000
BOUT TENTH G S

5827
03:06:12,000 --> 03:06:13,000
SMOKING EVERY DAY.

5828
03:06:13,000 --> 03:06:15,000
>> IT WAS ONE OF THE HARDEST

5829
03:06:15,000 --> 03:06:17,000
THINGS I'VE EVER HAD TO FACE

5830
03:06:17,000 --> 03:06:19,000
>> HAROLD DOW ON A

5831
03:06:19,000 --> 03:06:21,000
GENERATION.
>> WHEN DID YOU START SMOKING

5832
03:06:21,000 --> 03:06:22,000
MARIJUANA?

5833
03:06:22,000 --> 03:06:24,000
>> SEVENTH GRADE.
>> THERE IS NO PROBLEM WITH

5834
03:06:24,000 --> 03:06:25,000
MARIJUANA USE.

5835
03:06:25,000 --> 03:06:27,000
>> USING AND ABUSING...

5836
03:06:27,000 --> 03:06:29,000
>> IT SCREWED MY LIFE OVE

5837
03:06:29,000 --> 03:06:30,000
>> ...MARIJUANA.

5838
03:06:30,000 --> 03:06:34,000
AND... SPENCER...

5839
03:06:34,000 --> 03:06:35,000
>> WHAT YOU'  RE T

5840
03:06:35,000 --> 03:06:37,000
FIVE TIMES MORE POWERFUL.

5841
03:06:37,000 --> 03:06:40,000
>> ...ON THE HIGHER AND HIGHER

5842
03:06:40,000 --> 03:06:42,000
RISKS.
>> THE MARIJUANA OF THE 60'S AND

5843
03:06:42,000 --> 03:06:44,000
70'S, I DON'T THINK COULD TOUCH

5844
03:06:44,000 --> 03:06:45,000
WHAT'S ON THE STREETS TODAY.

5845
03:06:45,000 --> 03:06:47,000
>> A MUCH MORE POTENT POT.

5846
03:06:47,000 --> 03:06:50,000
>> YOU ARE SEEING A

5847
03:06:50,000 --> 03:06:51,000
SUPERMARIJUANA PLANT.

5848
03:06:51,000 --> 03:06:52,000
>> ALSO, WHY DO YOU SUPPOSE SO

5849
03:06:52,000 --> 03:06:55,000
MANY AMERICANS DESPISE DEFENSE

5850
03:06:55,000 --> 03:06:57,000
LAWYERS.

5851
03:06:57,000 --> 03:07:00,000
>> 48 HAURS WITH LESLIE

5852
03:07:00,000 --> 03:07:02,000
ABRAMSON.

5853
03:07:02,000 --> 03:07:04,000
>> YOU'RE SORT OF SUGGESTING

5854
03:07:04,000 --> 03:07:05,000
THAT THE DEFENSE LAWYERS ARE THE

5855
03:07:05,000 --> 03:07:06,000
NOBLE ONES IN THIS WHOLE

5856
03:07:06,000 --> 03:07:07,000
PROCESS.

5857
03:07:07,000 --> 03:07:08,000
>> ABSOLUTELY.

5858
03:07:08,000 --> 03:07:10,000
>> PLUS...

5859
03:07:10,000 --> 03:07:13,000
>> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,

5860
03:07:13,000 --> 03:07:14,000
ELIZABETH TAYLOR.

5861
03:07:14,000 --> 03:07:15,000
>> HER SURGERY'S OVER.

5862
03:07:15,000 --> 03:07:17,000
THE LATEST ONHE CONDITI

5863
03:07:17,000 --> 03:07:21,000
HOLLYWOOD ACTRE ELIZABETH

5864
03:07:21,000 --> 03:07:22,000
TAYLOR.
I'M DAN RATHER AND THIS IS "

5865
03:07:22,000 --> 03:07:27,000
HOUR

5866
03:07:27,000 --> 03:07:29,000
>> GOOD EVENING.

5867
03:07:29,000 --> 03:07:31,000
IT MAY BE THE MOST FAMILIAR OF

5868
03:07:31,000 --> 03:07:33,000
ALL ILLICIT DRUGS: MARIJUANA.

5869
03:07:33,000 --> 03:07:36,000
FOR A GOOD NUMBER OF AMERICANS,

5870
03:07:36,000 --> 03:07:38,000
ESPECIALLY BABY BOOMERS BACK IN

5871
03:07:38,000 --> 03:07:40,000
THE 60'S AND 70'S, IT WAS ALMOST

5872
03:07:40,000 --> 03:07:41,000
A RITE OF PASSAGE.

5873
03:07:41,000 --> 03:07:42,000
BUT NOW AS THEIR CHILDREN, YOUR

5874
03:07:42,000 --> 03:07:44,000
CHILDREN COME OF AGE, A LOT OF

5875
03:07:44,000 --> 03:07:47,000
BABY BOOMERS ARE FACING A DLIM

5876
03:07:47,000 --> 03:07:48,000
A.DO YOU LOOK THE OTHER WAY OR

5877
03:07:48,000 --> 03:07:51,000
DO YOU START LOOKING FOR HELP?

5878
03:07:51,000 --> 03:07:52,000
OUR FOCUS TONIGHT IS PARENTS AND

5879
03:07:52,000 --> 03:07:55,000
POT.

5880
03:07:55,000 --> 03:07:56,000
FAMILIES STRUGGLING WITH

5881
03:07:56,000 --> 03:08:00,000
QUESTIONS YOU MAY BE ASKING
YOURSELF AS YOU'RE ABOUT TO

5882
03:08:00,000 --> 03:08:02,000
DISCOVER, TODAY'S MARIJUANA CAN

5883
03:08:02,000 --> 03:08:03,000
BE FAR MORE POTENT THAN IT WAS

5884
03:08:03,000 --> 03:08:05,000
IN THE PAST AND IT'S CROPPING UP

5885
03:08:05,000 --> 03:08:08,000
IN PLACES YOU'D NEVER EXPECT.

5886
03:08:08,000 --> 03:08:10,000
HAROLD DOW SORTS OUT AT YOU

5887
03:08:10,000 --> 03:08:11,000
THINK YOU KNOW AND WHAT YOU NEED

5888
03:08:11,000 --> 03:08:16,000
TO KNOW.

5889
03:08:20,000 --> 03:08:22,000
>> NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS

5890
03:08:22,000 --> 03:08:23,000
WOULD MY SON TAKE DRUGS.

5891
03:08:23,000 --> 03:08:26,000
NO, HE WASN'T RAISED THAT WAY.

5892
03:08:26,000 --> 03:08:27,000
>> HOW OFTEN DID YOU SMOKE

5893
03:08:27,000 --> 03:08:32,000
MARIJUANA?
>> ALL DAY LONG.

5894
03:08:32,000 --> 03:08:33,000
>> WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION WHEN

5895
03:08:33,000 --> 03:08:35,000
YOU FIRST LEARNED SIMON HAD

5896
03:08:35,000 --> 03:08:36,000
TRIED MARIJUANA?

5897
03:08:36,000 --> 03:08:38,000
>> I ASKED HIM HOW HE LIKED IT.

5898
03:08:38,000 --> 03:08:40,000
>> THERE IS NO REAL PROBLEM WITH

5899
03:08:40,000 --> 03:08:42,000
MINOR MARIJUANA USE.

5900
03:08:42,000 --> 03:08:46,000
>> ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE AN A
STUDENT, I GUESS.

5901
03:08:46,000 --> 03:08:49,000
>> WHEN THEY SAID SARABETH,

5902
03:08:49,000 --> 03:08:51,000
YOU'RE UNDER ARREST...

5903
03:08:51,000 --> 03:08:53,000
>> MY PARENTS WERE THE FIRST

5904
03:08:53,000 --> 03:08:54,000
THINGS THAT CAME TO MY MIND.

5905
03:08:54,000 --> 03:08:57,000
I WAS...

5906
03:08:57,000 --> 03:08:58,000
>> IT WAS ONE OF THE HARDEST

5907
03:08:58,000 --> 03:09:00,000
THINGS I THINK I'VE EVER HAD TO

5908
03:09:00,000 --> 03:09:01,000
FACE AS A PARENT.

5909
03:09:01,000 --> 03:09:03,000
>> SOONER OR LATER, NEARLY EVERY

5910
03:09:03,000 --> 03:09:07,000
PARENT HAS TO FACE IT.

5911
03:09:07,000 --> 03:09:10,000
POT USE AMONG TEENAGERS IS SKY

5912
03:09:10,000 --> 03:09:11,000
HIGH, MORE THAN DOUBLING IN FOUR

5913
03:09:11,000 --> 03:09:12,000
YEARS.

5914
03:09:12,000 --> 03:09:13,000
>> MAGICALLY DELICIOUS.

5915
03:09:13,000 --> 03:09:15,000
>> THE TROUBLE IS, WHAT DO YOU

5916
03:09:15,000 --> 03:09:18,000
TELL THE KID>> HI, MOM.

5917
03:09:18,000 --> 03:09:21,000
>> CAN YOU CATEGORICALLY SAY TO

5918
03:09:21,000 --> 03:09:22,000
A UNGSTER, IF YOUMOKE

5919
03:09:22,000 --> 03:09:24,000
MARIJUANA, IT WILL RUIN YOUR

5920
03:09:24,000 --> 03:09:25,000
LIFE?
>> NO, YOU SHOULD NOT BECAUSE

5921
03:09:25,000 --> 03:09:26,000
THAT'S NOT TRUE.

5922
03:09:26,000 --> 03:09:29,000
>> PROFESSOR BILL MARTIN HAS

5923
03:09:29,000 --> 03:09:31,000
STUDIED THE EFFECTS OF MARIJUANA
FOR 20 YEARS.

5924
03:09:31,000 --> 03:09:36,000
HE SAYS THERE ARE NO EASY SHOE

5925
03:09:39,000 --> 03:09:41,000
FITS ALL, AND THAT JUST DOESN'T

5926
03:09:41,000 --> 03:09:43,000
WORK.
>> HERE'S WHAT WE DO KNOW ABOUT

5927
03:09:43,000 --> 03:09:45,000
THE DRUG.
>> MARIJUANA CONTINUES AGENTS

5928
03:09:45,000 --> 03:09:46,000
THAT PRODUCE CANCER.

5929
03:09:46,000 --> 03:09:48,000
IT HAS A HIGH TAR CONTENT, MUCH

5930
03:09:48,000 --> 03:09:50,000
GREATER THAN TOBACCO.

5931
03:09:50,000 --> 03:09:52,000
>> THE DOCTOR, I UNDERSTAND THIS

5932
03:09:52,000 --> 03:09:53,000
IS A MAZE.

5933
03:09:53,000 --> 03:09:56,000
>> PROFESSOR MARTIN'S STUDIES

5934
03:09:56,000 --> 03:09:57,000
SHOW THAT MARIJUANA MAY ALSO

5935
03:09:57,000 --> 03:09:59,000
CAUSE CHRONIC USERS TO SUFFER

5936
03:09:59,000 --> 03:10:00,000
SHORT-TERM MEMORY LOSS.

5937
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:02,000
>> THE IDEA IS FOR THE RAT TO GO

5938
03:10:02,000 --> 03:10:03,000
DOWN EACH ONE OF THESE LITTLE

5939
03:10:03,000 --> 03:10:06,000
RUNWAYS AND EAT A FOOD PELLET.

5940
03:10:06,000 --> 03:10:08,000
AND THEY CAN'T GO DOWN A RUNWAY

5941
03:10:08,000 --> 03:10:09,000
MORE THAN ONCE.

5942
03:10:09,000 --> 03:10:10,000
IT TAKES TWO OR THREE MONTHS TO

5943
03:10:10,000 --> 03:10:13,000
TRAIN AN ANIMAL TO DO THIS.

5944
03:10:13,000 --> 03:10:15,000
>> IN THIS DEMONSTRATION, A

5945
03:10:15,000 --> 03:10:17,000
NORMAL DRUG-FREE RAT REMEMBERS

5946
03:10:17,000 --> 03:10:18,000
ITS TRAINING AND EASILY

5947
03:10:18,000 --> 03:10:20,000
NAVIGATES THE MAZE.

5948
03:10:20,000 --> 03:10:21,000
>> COULD YOU HAVE DONE THAT?

5949
03:10:21,000 --> 03:10:23,000
>> I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD HAVE

5950
03:10:23,000 --> 03:10:24,000
DONE THAT.

5951
03:10:24,000 --> 03:10:26,000
BEFORE THE NEXT RAT IS TESTED,

5952
03:10:26,000 --> 03:10:30,000
DR. MARTIN'S ASSISTANT QUITY...

5953
03:10:30,000 --> 03:10:33,000
KITTY GIVES IT T.H.C., THE

5954
03:10:33,000 --> 03:10:34,000
ACTIVE INGREDIENT M MARIJUANA

5955
03:10:34,000 --> 03:10:36,000
THAT MAKES THE PERSON HIGH.

5956
03:10:36,000 --> 03:10:38,000
>> LET'S SEE IF HE REMEMBERS

5957
03:10:38,000 --> 03:10:40,000
WHERE THE FOOD PELLETS ARE.

5958
03:10:40,000 --> 03:10:43,000
>> BEFORE LONG, THE DRUGGED RAT

5959
03:10:43,000 --> 03:10:44,000
LOSES HIS WAY.

5960
03:10:44,000 --> 03:10:46,000
>> HE FORGOT HE WENT DOWN THERE

5961
03:10:46,000 --> 03:10:48,000
BEFORE.
THAT'S A CLEAR MISTAKE THAT THE

5962
03:10:48,000 --> 03:10:49,000
CONTROL ANIMAL DID NOT DO.

5963
03:10:49,000 --> 03:10:51,000
>> IS THAT BECAUSE OF THE

5964
03:10:51,000 --> 03:10:52,000
T.H.C.?

5965
03:10:52,000 --> 03:10:54,000
>> YES.
>> THIS IS WHAT YOU CALL A CLOUD

5966
03:10:54,000 --> 03:10:55,000
NINE.

5967
03:10:55,000 --> 03:10:56,000
ALL RIGHT.
>> WHICH KIDS WILL HAVE TROUBLE

5968
03:10:56,000 --> 03:10:57,000
WITH MARIJUANA AND WHICH ONES

5969
03:10:57,000 --> 03:11:00,000
WON'T?

5970
03:11:00,000 --> 03:11:01,000
PROFESSOR MARTIN CAN'T SAY.

5971
03:11:01,000 --> 03:11:03,000
>> PEOPLE RESPOND DIFFERENTLY TO

5972
03:11:03,000 --> 03:11:05,000
MARIJUANA.
SO IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO MAKE SOME

5973
03:11:05,000 --> 03:11:07,000
BLANKET STATEMENT ABOUT A DRUG

5974
03:11:07,000 --> 03:11:08,000
THAT'S GOING TO APPLY TO EVERY

5975
03:11:08,000 --> 03:11:11,000
SINGLE INDIVIDUAL.

5976
03:11:11,000 --> 03:11:13,000
>> I'M LOOKING AT A KID WHO IS A

5977
03:11:13,000 --> 03:11:15,000
STRAIGHT A STUDENT WHO IS, YOU

5978
03:11:15,000 --> 03:11:17,000
KNOW, DOING A LOT OF THINGS

5979
03:11:17,000 --> 03:11:19,000
REALLY WELL.

5980
03:11:19,000 --> 03:11:23,000
>> IMARIJUANA PROBABLY ONCE

5981
03:11:23,000 --> 03:11:24,000
A MONTH.

5982
03:11:24,000 --> 03:11:25,000
>> BUT FOR NOW, THIS NEW ENGLAND

5983
03:11:25,000 --> 03:11:28,000
PROFESSOR PREFERS NOT TO

5984
03:11:28,000 --> 03:11:32,000
LECTURE.
>> I'M AWARE OF WHAT HE'S DOING

5985
03:11:32,000 --> 03:11:33,000
BUT I'M NOT BREATHING DOWN HIS

5986
03:11:33,000 --> 03:11:34,000
NECK, EITHER.

5987
03:11:34,000 --> 03:11:37,000
IF I SEE DEGRADATION IN HIS

5988
03:11:37,000 --> 03:11:39,000
BEHAVIOR, I'MY SAY SIMON, WHAT

5989
03:11:39,000 --> 03:11:40,000
IS GOING ON.

5990
03:11:40,000 --> 03:11:44,000
>> YOU START SEEING C'S AND D'S?

5991
03:11:44,000 --> 03:11:47,000
>> I'LL BEEN IN HIS FACE.
>> WHEN SYM OBJEC ASKED HIS

5992
03:11:47,000 --> 03:11:48,000
MOTHER IF HE EVERD MARIJUANA

5993
03:11:48,000 --> 03:11:50,000
ELLEN TOLD THE TRUTH.

5994
03:11:50,000 --> 03:11:55,000
>> I WAS AT

5995
03:11:57,000 --> 03:12:02,000
THAT POINT?
>> 1972 AT ANTIOCH COLLEGE, YES.

5996
03:12:04,000 --> 03:12:05,000
I DON'T PERCEIVE THAT THIS

5997
03:12:05,000 --> 03:12:08,000
DESTROYED MY LIFE.

5998
03:12:08,000 --> 03:12:09,000
IT'S NOT THE SAFEST THING YOU

5999
03:12:09,000 --> 03:12:10,000
CAN DO BUT I WOULDN'T PUT IT ON

6000
03:12:10,000 --> 03:12:13,000
THE LEVEL OF THE WORST THING A

6001
03:12:13,000 --> 03:12:14,000
KID COULD DO EITHER.

6002
03:12:14,000 --> 03:12:15,000
>> STUDENTS LIKE SIMON WHO CAN

6003
03:12:15,000 --> 03:12:18,000
USE OCCASIONALLY, FREQUENTLY ARE

6004
03:12:18,000 --> 03:12:19,000
HIGHLY MOTIVATED.

6005
03:12:19,000 --> 03:12:22,000
THEY HAVE HIGH ASPIRATIONS.

6006
03:12:22,000 --> 03:12:25,000
THEY CAN HANDLE THE DRUG.

6007
03:12:25,000 --> 03:12:27,000
WHS OTHER INDIVIDUALS MAY

6008
03:12:27,000 --> 03:12:31,000
HAVE PROBLEMS IN THEIR LIVES.

6009
03:12:31,000 --> 03:12:33,000
>> HE WAS GETTING STRAIGHT F'S

6010
03:12:33,000 --> 03:12:35,000
IN SCHOOL.

6011
03:12:35,000 --> 03:12:36,000
THERE WERE NO CONSEQUENCES TO

6012
03:12:36,000 --> 03:12:37,000
ANYTHING HE DID.

6013
03:12:37,000 --> 03:12:39,000
I FINALLY REALIZED I COULDN'T

6014
03:12:39,000 --> 03:12:40,000
HELP HIM MYSELF.

6015
03:12:40,000 --> 03:12:42,000
>> KARYL SMITH FELT HER SON

6016
03:12:42,000 --> 03:12:43,000
NATHAN WAS SO OUT OF CONTROL,

6017
03:12:43,000 --> 03:12:46,000
SHE FORCED HIM INTO A DRUG

6018
03:12:46,000 --> 03:12:48,000
REHABILITATION PROGRAM TWO
MONTHS AGO.

6019
03:12:48,000 --> 03:12:52,000
>> I WOULD STEAL FROM MY PARENTS

6020
03:12:52,000 --> 03:12:53,000
I'D STEAL FROM MY FRIENDS.

6021
03:12:53,000 --> 03:12:54,000
FIGURE OUT WHAT I COULD SELL OF

6022
03:12:54,000 --> 03:12:55,000
MINE SO I COULD GET A SACK.

6023
03:12:55,000 --> 03:12:57,000
>> A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD FIND IT

6024
03:12:57,000 --> 03:12:58,000
HARD TO BELIEVE THAT SOMEONE

6025
03:12:58,000 --> 03:13:00,000
COULD BE THAT FAR GONE FROM

6026
03:13:00,000 --> 03:13:02,000
SMOKING MARIJUANA?
>> IT SCREWED MY LIFE OVER.

6027
03:13:02,000 --> 03:13:04,000
>> SO, GUYS, WE'RE GOING TO TALK

6028
03:13:04,000 --> 03:13:05,000
ABOUT WHEN YOU GET OUT OF HERE,

6029
03:13:05,000 --> 03:13:07,000
RIGHT?
>> IF THEY DON'T MAKE IT HERE,

6030
03:13:07,000 --> 03:13:11,000
THEY END UP ON THE STREETS OR IN

6031
03:13:11,000 --> 03:13:13,000
DETENTION FACILITIES.
>> TODD NICHOLSON WATCHES OVER

6032
03:13:13,000 --> 03:13:15,000
NATHAN AND THE OTHER BOYS AT THE

6033
03:13:15,000 --> 03:13:16,000
RYTHER CHILD CENTER.

6034
03:13:16,000 --> 03:13:18,000
THEY HAVE TO STAY IN OUR SIGHT

6035
03:13:18,000 --> 03:13:20,000
AT ALL TIMES F.THEY LEAVE OUR

6036
03:13:20,000 --> 03:13:23,000
SIGHT TO GO TO THE BATHROOM,

6037
03:13:23,000 --> 03:13:25,000
THEY HAVE TO ASK.

6038
03:13:25,000 --> 03:13:27,000
NO SMOKING.
>> RYTHER TRIES TO PROVIDED KIDS

6039
03:13:27,000 --> 03:13:30,000
LIKE NATHAN WITH RULES, TO GET

6040
03:13:30,000 --> 03:13:32,000
THEM TO TRY TO CHANGE THEIR BAD

6041
03:13:32,000 --> 03:13:34,000
HABITS.
>> THEY CAN'T HAVE THEIR WINDOWS

6042
03:13:34,000 --> 03:13:36,000
IN THEIR ROOMS BECAUSE IF THEIR

6043
03:13:36,000 --> 03:13:38,000
WINDOWS ARE OPEN, NINE TIMES OUT

6044
03:13:38,000 --> 03:13:40,000
OF TEN THEY ARE HANGING OUT THE

6045
03:13:40,000 --> 03:13:41,000
WINDOW TO SMOKE.

6046
03:13:41,000 --> 03:13:43,000
>> HANG OUT THE WINDOW BECAUSE

6047
03:13:43,000 --> 03:13:44,000
SMOKING IN HERE, YOU'LL GET IN

6048
03:13:44,000 --> 03:13:45,000
TROUBLE.

6049
03:13:45,000 --> 03:13:47,000
>> I FIND NICOTINE IS A GOOD WAY

6050
03:13:47,000 --> 03:13:52,000
TO HELP THE STRESS.

6051
03:13:54,000 --> 03:13:57,000
>> SNEAKING CIGARETTES BOTHERS

6052
03:13:57,000 --> 03:13:59,000
TODD.
>> GOING DOWN STAIRS SNEAKING

6053
03:13:59,000 --> 03:14:00,000
AR.

6054
03:14:00,000 --> 03:14:01,000
>> BECAUSE IT'S THE BEHAVIOR OF

6055
03:14:01,000 --> 03:14:02,000
AN ADDICT.

6056
03:14:02,000 --> 03:14:03,000
>> IT'S BETTER THAN SMOKING A

6057
03:14:03,000 --> 03:14:04,000
BOWL, DON'T YOU THINK?

6058
03:14:04,000 --> 03:14:06,000
>> DO YOU THINK MARIJUANA IS

6059
03:14:06,000 --> 03:14:07,000
ADDICTIVE?
>> YES.

6060
03:14:07,000 --> 03:14:09,000
>> INDIVIDUALS LIKE NATHAN, WHEN

6061
03:14:09,000 --> 03:14:10,000
THEY ARE ADDICTED, THEY KNOW IT.

6062
03:14:10,000 --> 03:14:15,000
>> ACCORDING TO PROFESSOR MARTIE

6063
03:14:15,000 --> 03:14:16,000
NATHAN MAY COME ADDICTED TO

6064
03:14:16,000 --> 03:14:17,000
MARIJUANA.

6065
03:14:17,000 --> 03:14:19,000
>> YOU SEE THIS ANIMALS

6066
03:14:19,000 --> 03:14:21,000
STRETCHING THE ABDOMEN.

6067
03:14:21,000 --> 03:14:23,000
>> BELIET OR NOT THESEé

6068
03:14:23,000 --> 03:14:28,000
ANALS ARE EERIENCINGWITHDRAWAL

6069
03:14:28,000 --> 03:14:29,000
ACTIVE INGREDIENT INJUA.

6070
03:14:29,000 --> 03:14:34,000
>> THE SHAKING OF PAWS, VERY

6071
03:14:35,000 --> 03:14:38,000
THIS IS H

6072
03:14:38,000 --> 03:14:40,000
UNIQUE AND ALSO SIMILAR TO WHAT

6073
03:14:40,000 --> 03:14:41,000
HAPPENS WITH HEROIN-DEPENDENT

6074
03:14:41,000 --> 03:14:43,000
RATS.

6075
03:14:43,000 --> 03:14:46,000
THIS THEf SLOWé MOTION SWING

6076
03:14:46,000 --> 03:14:50,000
WHAT WE CALL WET DOG SHAKES.

6077
03:14:50,000 --> 03:14:51,000
>>S MARIJUANA A GATEWAY DRUG?

6078
03:14:51,000 --> 03:14:55,000
SGLITSZ' RARE TO FIND A USER OF

6079
03:14:55,000 --> 03:14:58,000
COCAINE, HEROIN, THE OTH DRU

6080
03:14:58,000 --> 03:15:01,000
THAT HAVEN POR
EXPERIENCE WITH MARIJUANA,

6081
03:15:01,000 --> 03:15:02,000
ALCOHOL AND SO FORTH.

6082
03:15:02,000 --> 03:15:04,000
>> I'VE DONE COCAINE, CRANK,

6083
03:15:04,000 --> 03:15:09,000
CRYSTAL, ACID, EXTOO SI.

6084
03:15:13,000 --> 03:15:14,000
ECSTACY.

6085
03:15:14,000 --> 03:15:16,000
MUSHROOMS, WEED.

6086
03:15:16,000 --> 03:15:17,000
>> WHAT IS YOUR DRUG OF CHOICE?

6087
03:15:17,000 --> 03:15:18,000
>> WEED.

6088
03:15:18,000 --> 03:15:20,000
>> SIMON KNOWS HIS LIMITS.

6089
03:15:20,000 --> 03:15:23,000
INDIVIDUALS LIKE SIMON AND NATSZ

6090
03:15:23,000 --> 03:15:25,000
AR ARE QUITE DIFFERENT AND
RESPOND DIFFERENTLY.

6091
03:15:25,000 --> 03:15:27,000
♪ Y  HIGH...

6092
03:15:27,000 --> 03:15:30,000
>> IT'S A GAME OF RUSSIAN

6093
03:15:30,000 --> 03:15:33,000
ROULETTE.
>> YES.
>> ARE YOU GOING TO BE LIKE

6094
03:15:33,000 --> 03:15:34,000
NATHAN OR LIKE SIMON.

6095
03:15:34,000 --> 03:15:38,000
>> OR ARE YOU GOING TO BE LIKE

6096
03:15:38,000 --> 03:15:39,000
SARABETH?

6097
03:15:39,000 --> 03:15:41,000
>> IT'S NASTY, FILTHY.

6098
03:15:41,000 --> 03:15:44,000
I DON'T EVER WANT TO UP HERE

6099
03:15:44,000 --> 03:15:46,000
AGAIN.
>> HER STORY IS NEXT.

6100
03:15:46,000 --> 03:15:49,000
>> ALSO AHEAD... NATHAN'S LONG

6101
03:15:49,000 --> 03:15:50,000
ROAD HOME.

6102
03:15:50,000 --> 03:15:52,000
>> I HAVE FAMILY PROBLEMS.

6103
03:15:52,000 --> 03:15:53,000
PROBABLY THE REASON WHY I

6104
03:15:53,000 --> 03:15:54,000
STARTED DOING DRUGS IN THE FIRST

6105
03:15:54,000 --> 03:15:56,000
PLACE.

6106
03:15:56,000 --> 03:15:59,000
>> YOU SEEM AWFULLSTILE.

6107
03:15:59,000 --> 03:16:00,000
>> I'M ALWAYS THIS HOSTILE.

6108
03:16:00,000 --> 03:16:01,000
THAT'S MY PROBLEM.

6109
03:16:01,000 --> 03:16:04,000
>> AFTER THAT... HEARD ANY GOOD

6110
03:16:04,000 --> 03:16:05,000
LAWYER JOKES LATELY?

6111
03:16:05,000 --> 03:16:07,000
>> HOW DO YOU KNOW WHEN A LAWYER

6112
03:16:07,000 --> 03:16:09,000
IS LYING?
HER LIPS ARE MOVING.

6113
03:16:09,000 --> 03:16:11,000
>> BERNARDOLDBERG AND ATTORNEY

6114
03:16:11,000 --> 03:16:16,000
LESLIE ABRAMSON AHEAD.

6115
03:16:23,000 --> 03:16:25,000
>> BETWEEN NOW AND THE TURN OF

6116
03:16:25,000 --> 03:16:27,000
THE CENTURY, CBS NEWS IS

6117
03:16:27,000 --> 03:16:28,000
TRACKING THE FATE AND FORTUNE OF

6118
03:16:28,000 --> 03:16:30,000
THE CLASS OF 2000.

6119
03:16:30,000 --> 03:16:31,000
HIGH SCHOOLERS COMING OF AGE IN

6120
03:16:31,000 --> 03:16:33,000
THE NEXT MILLENNIUM.

6121
03:16:33,000 --> 03:16:36,000
MARIJUANA IS CERTAIN TO FIGURE

6122
03:16:36,000 --> 03:16:37,000
INTO THAT FATE.

6123
03:16:37,000 --> 03:16:38,000
BY ONE ESTIMATE, MORE THAN FOUR

6124
03:16:38,000 --> 03:16:39,000
MILLION SEENS HAVE TRIED

6125
03:16:39,000 --> 03:16:41,000
MARIJUANA AND ONE OUT  FIVE

6126
03:16:41,000 --> 03:16:43,000
KIDS WHO DO SMOKE IT DO SO EVERY

6127
03:16:43,000 --> 03:16:45,000
DAY.

6128
03:16:45,000 --> 03:16:46,000
WHICH BRINGS US TO THE STORY OF

6129
03:16:46,000 --> 03:16:50,000
SARABETH.

6130
03:16:50,000 --> 03:16:53,000
>> MYMA'S ALL JUMBLED UP.

6131
03:16:53,000 --> 03:16:55,000
FO 18-YEAR-OLD SARABETH

6132
03:16:55,000 --> 03:16:56,000
DAVIS...
>> THIS IS AWFUL, MOM.

6133
03:16:56,000 --> 03:16:59,000
I HATE THIS.

6134
03:16:59,000 --> 03:17:00,000
...TODAY IS JUDGMENT DA

6135
03:17:00,000 --> 03:17:02,000
>> THINKING ABOUT COURT MAKES ME

6136
03:17:02,000 --> 03:17:06,000
WANT TO CRY.

6137
03:17:06,000 --> 03:17:07,000
>> YOU'RE SCARED?

6138
03:17:07,000 --> 03:17:10,000
>> UH-HUH.
>> AND SHE SHOULD BE.

6139
03:17:10,000 --> 03:17:11,000
HER FUTURE RESTS IN THE HANDS OF

6140
03:17:11,000 --> 03:17:13,000
THIS MAN.

6141
03:17:13,000 --> 03:17:15,000
>> ALL RISE.

6142
03:17:15,000 --> 03:17:20,000
HILLE,F.S REZ.

6143
03:17:20,000 --> 03:17:21,000
>> SHE LET ME DOWN.

6144
03:17:21,000 --> 03:17:25,000
BUT INSIDE, YOU KNOW, I WAS

6145
03:17:25,000 --> 03:17:28,000
DISAPPOINTED.
>> I HOPEES ME ANOTHER

6146
03:17:28,000 --> 03:17:30,000
CHANCE.
>> A CHANCE TO PUT THE PAST

6147
03:17:30,000 --> 03:17:31,000
BEHIND HER.

6148
03:17:31,000 --> 03:17:32,000
>> SARABETH WHEN DID YOUé START

6149
03:17:32,000 --> 03:17:33,000
SMOKING MARIJUANA?

6150
03:17:33,000 --> 03:17:35,000
>> THE FIRST TIME WAS IN SEVENTH

6151
03:17:35,000 --> 03:17:37,000
GRADE.
I THINK THE DRUG GRAB ADD HOLD

6152
03:17:37,000 --> 03:17:39,000
OF ME WITHOUT EVEN NOTICING.

6153
03:17:39,000 --> 03:17:40,000
WANT TO GO FOR A WALK?

6154
03:17:40,000 --> 03:17:43,000
I WAS MAKING IT A LIFESTYLE, A

6155
03:17:43,000 --> 03:17:44,000
ROUTINE TO BE HIGH ALL THE TIME.

6156
03:17:44,000 --> 03:17:46,000
>> IT WASN'T ALWAYS THAT WAY.

6157
03:17:46,000 --> 03:17:48,000
>> WE WERE JUST THE BEST OF

6158
03:17:48,000 --> 03:17:51,000
FRIENDS, THE WHOLE SQUAD WAS THE

6159
03:17:51,000 --> 03:17:53,000
BEST OF FRIENDS.
>> SHE WAS A CHEERLEADER.

6160
03:17:53,000 --> 03:17:55,000
>> THE MORE I DID IT, THE MORE I

6161
03:17:55,000 --> 03:17:56,000
LOVED IT.
>> SHE WAS A MODEL.

6162
03:17:56,000 --> 03:17:58,000
>> THIS f FUN BECAUSE WE WERE

6163
03:17:58,000 --> 03:17:59,000
LIKE ON LOCATION.

6164
03:17:59,000 --> 03:18:01,000
I TOOK MODELING SERIOUSLY.

6165
03:18:01,000 --> 03:18:03,000
>> AND A MODEL STUDENT.

6166
03:18:03,000 --> 03:18:06,000
>> IONTIED TBE A GOOD

6167
03:18:06,000 --> 03:18:07,000
STUDENT FOA LONG PERIOD OF

6168
03:18:07,000 --> 03:18:09,000
ME.
>> UNTIL HER FUTURE WENTP IN

6169
03:18:09,000 --> 03:18:10,000
OKE.

6170
03:18:10,000 --> 03:18:12,000
>> BY THE SUMMER OF T GDE

6171
03:18:12,000 --> 03:18:14,000
I WAS SMOKING EVERY DAY, EVERY

6172
03:18:14,000 --> 03:18:15,000
SINGLE DAY, TWICE, THREE TIMES A

6173
03:18:15,000 --> 03:18:16,000
DAY.

6174
03:18:16,000 --> 03:18:18,000
>>Y 11th GRADE SHE WAS OUT OF

6175
03:18:18,000 --> 03:18:19,000
SCHOOL.
>> I WAS SOMEWHAT ASKED TO

6176
03:18:19,000 --> 03:18:20,000
LEAVE.

6177
03:18:20,000 --> 03:18:21,000
>> AND OUT OF LUCK.

6178
03:18:21,000 --> 03:18:23,000
>> AFTER THE CHRISTMAS HOLIDAYS,

6179
03:18:23,000 --> 03:18:25,000
SHE WAS ARRESTED FOR BUYING
MARIJUANA.

6180
03:18:25,000 --> 03:18:28,000
>>ORSHIRYNDIKEDAVI,

6181
03:18:28,000 --> 03:18:29,000
SARABETHAR...

6182
03:18:29,000 --> 03:18:31,000
>> YEAH, SHE DENIED IT EVEN AT

6183
03:18:31,000 --> 03:18:32,000
THAT TIME.

6184
03:18:32,000 --> 03:18:34,000
>> 1996 WAS A VERY UNHAPPY Y

6185
03:18:34,000 --> 03:18:35,000
>> I JUST COULDN'T BELIEVE IT.

6186
03:18:35,000 --> 03:18:37,000
ITAS OFHE HDEST THINGS

6187
03:18:37,000 --> 03:18:39,000
I INK I'Vé EVE HAD TOACEAS

6188
03:18:39,000 --> 03:18:41,000
A PANT.
>> WHEN THEY PUT THEHANDCUFFS

6189
03:18:41,000 --> 03:18:44,000
ON,IIDOU KNOW, NOTHING

6190
03:18:44,000 --> 03:18:46,000
WAS WORSE THAN THAT.

6191
03:18:46,000 --> 03:18:48,000
I>> IT S OBVIOUS TNT

6192
03:18:48,000 --> 03:18:51,000
HAD A PROBLEM AND THAT WE, AS A

6193
03:18:51,000 --> 03:18:53,000
FAMILY HAD A PROBLEM.

6194
03:18:53,000 --> 03:18:57,000
>> THEY WERE VERY, VERY

6195
03:18:57,000 --> 03:18:58,000
THE COURT'S HANDS ANDAIHE

6196
03:18:58,000 --> 03:19:00,000
US,  LO OUR DAUGHR.

6197
03:19:00,000 --> 03:19:02,000
>> THIS IS THEY FOUND

6198
03:19:02,000 --> 03:19:03,000
HELP.

6199
03:19:03,000 --> 03:19:06,000
JUVENILE DRUG COURT IN TAMPA.

6200
03:19:06,000 --> 03:19:07,000
WE
>> WE HAVE A DRUG PROBLEM IN

6201
03:19:07,000 --> 03:19:09,000
TAMPA.
>> ONE OF FOUR SUCH PLACES IN

6202
03:19:09,000 --> 03:19:12,000
THE COUNTRY.
>> ALCOHOL AND MARIJUANA AND

6203
03:19:12,000 --> 03:19:15,000
PARAPHERNALIA.
>> DEALING WITHAS

6204
03:19:15,000 --> 03:19:16,000
BE.
>>OOD .

6205
03:19:16,000 --> 03:19:18,000
SG AAM WE IMPLEMENTED

6206
03:19:18,000 --> 03:19:21,000
BACK IN FEBRUARY OF '96.

6207
03:19:21,000 --> 03:19:25,000
>> DONALD ROBERT ECHELBARGER.

6208
03:19:25,000 --> 03:19:27,000
>> TO DEAL WITH DRUG PROBLEMS BY

6209
03:19:27,000 --> 03:19:30,000
FIRST-TIMEENf ND

6210
03:19:30,000 --> 03:19:32,000
GOOD MORNING.
>> IT'S A PROGRAM WHERE THEY GET

6211
03:19:32,000 --> 03:19:36,000
REHAB FOR THEIR DRUG PROBLEM.

6212
03:19:36,000 --> 03:19:37,000
I WHAT GOT YOU STARTED?
>> MY DAD.

6213
03:19:37,000 --> 03:19:40,000
>>UDGE ALVAREZS TRYING TONGEO T

6214
03:19:40,000 --> 03:19:42,000
CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.

6215
03:19:42,000 --> 03:19:43,000
>> OTHER PEOPLE GET YOU IN

6216
03:19:43,000 --> 03:19:44,000
TROUT FRIENDS.

6217
03:19:44,000 --> 03:19:45,000
>> AND GIVE THEM A SECOND CHCE

6218
03:19:45,000 --> 03:19:46,000
TO GO STRAIGHT.

6219
03:19:46,000 --> 03:19:47,000
>> THE BIG THING HERE, IF THEY

6220
03:19:47,000 --> 03:19:49,000
COMPLETE THE PROGR, THEIR

6221
03:19:49,000 --> 03:19:51,000
RECO IS EAR.
WE AREOT HERE JUST TO GET YOU

6222
03:19:51,000 --> 03:19:53,000
CLEAN... THAT'S THE CARROT WE

6223
03:19:53,000 --> 03:19:54,000
OFFER THESE KIDS.

6224
03:19:54,000 --> 03:19:56,000
>> I LOOKED AT MY PARENTS AND

6225
03:19:56,000 --> 03:19:58,000
SAID, I'M NOT DOING IT.

6226
03:19:58,000 --> 03:19:59,000
>> WE KNEW IT WAS NOT GOINTO

6227
03:19:59,000 --> 03:20:01,000
BE AEASY TASK TO DEAL WITH

6228
03:20:01,000 --> 03:20:02,000
HER.
>> WHAT'S THE TOUGHEST PART

6229
03:20:02,000 --> 03:20:03,000
THISROGRAM?

6230
03:20:03,000 --> 03:20:04,000
STANG CAN.

6231
03:20:04,000 --> 03:20:06,000
>> WE HAD ABL WI

6232
03:20:06,000 --> 03:20:08,000
SARABETH REAL EARLY IN THE

6233
03:20:08,000 --> 03:20:09,000
PROGRAM.

6234
03:20:09,000 --> 03:20:12,000
SHE DID AL GD TH SHE
FELL OFF THE WAGON.

6235
03:20:12,000 --> 03:20:16,000
I PUT HERéARDS FOR

6236
03:20:16,000 --> 03:20:17,000
WHILE.
>> THAT'S A JUVENILE DETENTION

6237
03:20:17,000 --> 03:20:20,000
CENTER.

6238
03:20:20,000 --> 03:20:23,000
PUNISHMENT FOR THOSE WHO BREAKT.

6239
03:20:23,000 --> 03:20:24,000
>> FEAR IS VERY IMPORTANT.

6240
03:20:24,000 --> 03:20:26,000
YOU HEARD OF W.T. EDWARDS?

6241
03:20:26,000 --> 03:20:29,000
I THINK THAT'S ONE THING I HAVE

6242
03:20:29,000 --> 03:20:31,000
IN TS COURT.
YOU'VE HEARD OF W.T. EDWARDS.

6243
03:20:31,000 --> 03:20:32,000
HAVE YOU BEEN THERE?

6244
03:20:32,000 --> 03:20:34,000
THE LEVERAGE I HAVE IS FEAR.

6245
03:20:34,000 --> 03:20:38,000
>> THAT'S WHAT JUDGE ALVAREZ WAS

6246
03:20:38,000 --> 03:20:39,000
TRYING TO DO, MAKE ME SEE THAT

6247
03:20:39,000 --> 03:20:40,000
HE WAS SEAR US.

6248
03:20:40,000 --> 03:20:42,000
THEY PUT ME IN SHACKLES AND

6249
03:20:42,000 --> 03:20:44,000
HANDCUFFS AND PUT TO W.T.

6250
03:20:44,000 --> 03:20:48,000
I STAYEDHERE FOR FOUR DAYS.

6251
03:20:48,000 --> 03:20:51,000
IT WAS THE MOST HORRIBLE
EXPERIENCE EVER.

6252
03:20:51,000 --> 03:20:52,000
IT'S JUST... IT'S GROSS.

6253
03:20:52,000 --> 03:20:53,000
THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY.

6254
03:20:53,000 --> 03:20:57,000
IT'S NASTY, FILTHY, NO BLANKETS,

6255
03:20:57,000 --> 03:20:58,000
NO PILLOWS.

6256
03:20:58,000 --> 03:21:00,000
I MEAN IT'S GROSS.

6257
03:21:00,000 --> 03:21:01,000
LIKE THIS IS NOT A COOL PLACE TO

6258
03:21:01,000 --> 03:21:02,000
BE.

6259
03:21:02,000 --> 03:21:03,000
I DON'T EVER WANT TO ENDE

6260
03:21:03,000 --> 03:21:04,000
AGAIN.

6261
03:21:04,000 --> 03:21:05,000
>> THE KIDS HAVE TO WANTO COME

6262
03:21:05,000 --> 03:21:06,000
IN.

6263
03:21:06,000 --> 03:21:07,000
THEIPARENTS HAVE TO WANT THEM

6264
03:21:07,000 --> 03:21:09,000
TO COME IN.
>> THIS IS THE LAST HOPE THAT I

6265
03:21:09,000 --> 03:21:12,000
HAVE.
>> THIS IS WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR.

6266
03:21:12,000 --> 03:21:14,000
YOU'RE AS IMPORTANT TO THE
PROGRAM AS I AM.

6267
03:21:14,000 --> 03:21:15,000
IF WE DON'T WORK TOGETHER, THE

6268
03:21:15,000 --> 03:21:16,000
SYSTEM, THE PROGRAM CANNOT WORK.

6269
03:21:16,000 --> 03:21:19,000
>> TO MAKE THE PROGRAM WORK,...

6270
03:21:19,000 --> 03:21:21,000
>> THAT'S WHEN HE MISSED HIS

6271
03:21:21,000 --> 03:21:22,000
CURFEW THE OTHER NIGHT.

6272
03:21:22,000 --> 03:21:25,000
>> JUD ALVAREZ DEMANDS

6273
03:21:25,000 --> 03:21:26,000
YOUNGSTERS AEND COUNSELING AND

6274
03:21:26,000 --> 03:21:27,000
A WHOLE LOT MORE.

6275
03:21:27,000 --> 03:21:29,000
>> HE HAS COMPLETED DETOX.

6276
03:21:29,000 --> 03:21:32,000
>> AFTER RELEASE FROM DETOX, YOU

6277
03:21:32,000 --> 03:21:34,000
DON'T HANG AROUND PEOPLE THAT

6278
03:21:34,000 --> 03:21:37,000
SMOKE.
YOU DON'T SMOKE.YOU EITHER WORK.

6279
03:21:37,000 --> 03:21:41,000
>> GET YOURSELF A JOB ENROLL FOR

6280
03:21:41,000 --> 03:21:43,000
YOUR GEPD PROGRAM.
>> ONCE A WEEK I TAKE A DRUG

6281
03:21:43,000 --> 03:21:47,000
TEST, UT THE

6282
03:21:47,000 --> 03:21:48,000
BLUE.

6283
03:21:48,000 --> 03:21:50,000
>> THAT OF MONTH ONE OF THE

6284
03:21:50,000 --> 03:21:52,000
THOSE RANDOM TESTS CAME BACK

6285
03:21:52,000 --> 03:21:54,000
POSITIVE.
>> I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHY I DID

6286
03:21:54,000 --> 03:21:58,000
IT.
I WAS AROUND SOME OLD FRIENDS.

6287
03:21:58,000 --> 03:22:03,000
I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, WHO GAVE SO

6288
03:22:08,000 --> 03:22:09,000
WEEKS TO GET CLEK

6289
03:22:09,000 --> 03:22:10,000
TO JAI

6290
03:22:10,000 --> 03:22:12,000
>> I'M CONCERNED BECAUSE I WAS

6291
03:22:12,000 --> 03:22:15,000
LOOKING AT HER AT... BASICALLY

6292
03:22:15,000 --> 03:22:16,000
AS ONE OF THE PRIZED CLIENTS

6293
03:22:16,000 --> 03:22:18,000
THAT WE HAD IN THE PROGRAM.

6294
03:22:18,000 --> 03:22:19,000
>> NOW LESS THAN 24 HOURS BEFORE

6295
03:22:19,000 --> 03:22:21,000
HER MEETING WITH JUDGE

6296
03:22:21,000 --> 03:22:22,000
ALVAREZ...

6297
03:22:22,000 --> 03:22:23,000
>> THIS IS JUST WHERE WE GO WHEN

6298
03:22:23,000 --> 03:22:25,000
IT'S RANDOM. SARABETH HAS TO P

6299
03:22:25,000 --> 03:22:28,000
COULD BE Tf IMPORTANT TEST

6300
03:22:28,000 --> 03:22:30,000
OF HER LIFE.
>> I JUST HOPE THATBO HAS

6301
03:22:30,000 --> 03:22:34,000
CLEANSED MEL AND THIS TEST

6302
03:22:34,000 --> 03:22:36,000
COMES UP NEGATIVE.

6303
03:22:36,000 --> 03:22:38,000
>> MY NAME IS RENATA S

6304
03:22:38,000 --> 03:22:39,000
I'LL BE CONDUCTING YOUR DRUG

6305
03:22:39,000 --> 03:22:41,000
TEST TODAY.

6306
03:22:41,000 --> 03:22:42,000
EIN TW

6307
03:22:42,000 --> 03:22:45,000
JMOFfD ON THE

6308
03:22:45,000 --> 03:22:47,000
EVENCE THAT SHE VIOLATED THE

6309
03:22:47,000 --> 03:22:48,000
CONDITIONS ANDAD A POSITIVE

6310
03:22:48,000 --> 03:22:53,000
GHEé DOS.COULD GOT.f

6311
03:22:54,000 --> 03:22:55,000
YOUR DRUTES.

6312
03:22:55,000 --> 03:22:56,000
>> THIS IS GOING TO BE THE

6313
03:22:56,000 --> 03:22:58,000
LONGEST TEN MINUTES OF MY LIFE.

6314
03:22:58,000 --> 03:23:00,000
>> THE CLOCK IS TICKING.

6315
03:23:00,000 --> 03:23:01,000
SARABETH'SEST RESULTS, WHEN WE

6316
03:23:01,000 --> 03:23:06,000
COACK.

6317
03:23:06,000 --> 03:23:10,000
>> ALSO AHEAD... HIGH ANXIETY.

6318
03:23:10,000 --> 03:23:11,000
>> POLICE OPEN UP.

6319
03:23:11,000 --> 03:23:13,000
>> FOR POLICE AND PARES.

6320
03:23:13,000 --> 03:23:15,000
>> HOW MANY KIDS DO YOU HAVE?

6321
03:23:15,000 --> 03:23:16,000
>> I HAVE FOUR KIDS.

6322
03:23:16,000 --> 03:23:17,000
>> YOU FIND OUT THAT YOU'RE

6323
03:23:17,000 --> 03:23:18,000
LIVING ACROSS THE STREET FROM

6324
03:23:18,000 --> 03:23:20,000
THIS.
>> YES.

6325
03:23:20,000 --> 03:23:23,000
TERRIBLE.
>> AND...

6326
03:23:23,000 --> 03:23:25,000
>> I GOT JUST ABOUT 24 HOURS TO

6327
03:23:25,000 --> 03:23:26,000
THINK ABOUT A DIFFERENT

6328
03:23:26,000 --> 03:23:27,000
PERSPECTIVE THAT YOU DO NOT

6329
03:23:27,000 --> 03:23:28,000
HAVE.

6330
03:23:28,000 --> 03:23:29,000
>> NATHAN'S HOUSE DIVIDED.

6331
03:23:29,000 --> 03:23:33,000
>> DO NOT THINK THAT I AM HOME

6332
03:23:33,000 --> 03:23:34,000
HURTING BECAUSE YOU ARE HERE 24

6333
03:23:34,000 --> 03:23:35,000
HOURS A DAY WITH YOUR

6334
03:23:35,000 --> 03:23:40,000
PERSPECTIVE?
Y

6335
03:23:50,000 --> 03:23:52,000
RO

6336
03:23:52,000 --> 03:23:55,000
URST>>KA

6337
03:23:55,000 --> 03:23:57,000
ISTSN

6338
03:23:57,000 --> 03:24:01,000
TH OF ISRU

6339
03:24:01,000 --> 03:24:02,000
>> I'M MO HOPING THAT IT WI

6340
03:24:02,000 --> 03:24:04,000
BE CLEAN.

6341
03:24:04,000 --> 03:24:06,000
THUTHEON TNG I

6342
03:24:06,000 --> 03:24:11,000
COT G

6343
03:24:11,000 --> 03:24:13,000
OR SIXIFFERENT

6344
03:24:13,000 --> 03:24:17,000
UGS,

6345
03:24:17,000 --> 03:24:22,000
CAES P.C.P.

6346
03:24:23,000 --> 03:24:26,000
CANNABIS WILL BE COMING UP NEXT.

6347
03:24:26,000 --> 03:24:27,000
>> SAR REMARKS YOUR TEST CAME

6348
03:24:27,000 --> 03:24:28,000
BACK POSITIVE FOR MARIJUANA.

6349
03:24:28,000 --> 03:24:31,000
>> WHAT SARABETH IS NOT POSITIVE

6350
03:24:31,000 --> 03:24:33,000
ABOUT IS HOW THE WILL

6351
03:24:33,000 --> 03:24:34,000
REACT.
>> THIS IS IT, YOU KNOW.

6352
03:24:34,000 --> 03:24:35,000
LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

6353
03:24:35,000 --> 03:24:36,000
>> SARABETH DAVIS.

6354
03:24:36,000 --> 03:24:38,000
>> MY STOMACH IS TURNG AND

6355
03:24:38,000 --> 03:24:41,000
DOING ALL KINDS OF FLIP-FLOPS.

6356
03:24:41,000 --> 03:24:44,000
>> JUDGE, I RETESTED HER

6357
03:24:44,000 --> 03:24:46,000
YESTERDAY, SHE STILL CAME UP

6358
03:24:46,000 --> 03:24:47,000
SIVE FOR MARIJUANA.

6359
03:24:47,000 --> 03:24:48,000
WE WOULD LIKE TO SWITCH GEARS

6360
03:24:48,000 --> 03:24:50,000
WITH HER TREATMENT AT THIS TIME.

6361
03:24:50,000 --> 03:24:51,000
WE'RE LOOKING AT A GROUP SESSION

6362
03:24:51,000 --> 03:24:53,000
AT THE CENTER FOR WOMEN IN TAMPA

6363
03:24:53,000 --> 03:24:56,000
THAT WEEEL WOULD ADDRESS MORE

6364
03:24:56,000 --> 03:24:57,000
SPECIFICALLY YOUNG WOMEN'S

6365
03:24:57,000 --> 03:24:58,000
ISSUES FOR SARA.

6366
03:24:58,000 --> 03:25:00,000
>> SHE IS GOING TO ADMIT TO THE

6367
03:25:00,000 --> 03:25:04,000
VIOLATIONS.?

6368
03:25:04,000 --> 03:25:05,000
>> SHE ADMITS, JUDGE.

6369
03:25:05,000 --> 03:25:07,000
>> WE'RE NOT TO THE POINT WE

6370
03:25:07,000 --> 03:25:08,000
WANT TO BE.

6371
03:25:08,000 --> 03:25:09,000
DEFINITELY.
>> THAT'S MY PROBLEM.

6372
03:25:09,000 --> 03:25:10,000
>> THERE HAS BEEN SUCCESS ALONG

6373
03:25:10,000 --> 03:25:11,000
THE WAY.

6374
03:25:11,000 --> 03:25:12,000
>> I'M GOING TO GO ALONG WITH

6375
03:25:12,000 --> 03:25:13,000
THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

6376
03:25:13,000 --> 03:25:16,000
I DON'T THINK AT THIS TIME

6377
03:25:16,000 --> 03:25:17,000
PUTTING YO IW.T. EDWARDS IS

6378
03:25:17,000 --> 03:25:19,000
THE ANSWER.

6379
03:25:19,000 --> 03:25:21,000
MAYBE NEXT TIME I'LL FEEL

6380
03:25:21,000 --> 03:25:23,000
DIFFERENT.
IN THE MEANTIME, ROLL AT

6381
03:25:23,000 --> 03:25:26,000
H.C.C. AND START A NEW LIFE FOR

6382
03:25:26,000 --> 03:25:27,000
YOURSELF.

6383
03:25:27,000 --> 03:25:28,000
>> THAT'S WHAT ONG

6384
03:25:28,000 --> 03:25:30,000
>> WE'RE ADJOURNED.

6385
03:25:30,000 --> 03:25:33,000
>> TO GRADUATE FROM THE PROGRAM,

6386
03:25:33,000 --> 03:25:38,000
HER HANDS.ST STAY G

6387
03:25:38,000 --> 03:25:40,000
SHE CONTROLS HER OWN DESTINY AT

6388
03:25:40,000 --> 03:25:44,000
THIS TIME.
D STHE POINTED TO PUT

6389
03:25:44,000 --> 03:25:49,000
F EEDSEUSTURE.

6390
03:25:53,000 --> 03:25:54,000
BU IT OPEN.

6391
03:25:54,000 --> 03:25:56,000
>> BAD GUYS IN THE HOUSE...

6392
03:25:56,000 --> 03:25:59,000
>>ETVE ERIC A

6393
03:25:59,000 --> 03:26:04,000
NARCOTICS, GEARING  RAID WHO ISE

6394
03:26:07,000 --> 03:26:08,000
GROWING SOME OF THE FINEST

6395
03:26:08,000 --> 03:26:09,000
MARIJUANA AROUND.

6396
03:26:09,000 --> 03:26:13,000
IBE THAN ANY
MARIJUANA THATé I'VE E SEEN...

6397
03:26:13,000 --> 03:26:18,000
>> IN A MOST UNUSUAL PLACE.

6398
03:26:24,000 --> 03:26:25,000
>> THE HOMES ARE ALL SINGLE

6399
03:26:25,000 --> 03:26:27,000
FA.

6400
03:26:27,000 --> 03:26:29,000
>> A QUITE INNOCENT.

6401
03:26:29,000 --> 03:26:32,000
ALL BUT ONE.

6402
03:26:32,000 --> 03:26:36,000
>> POLICE, OPEN THE DOOR!

6403
03:26:36,000 --> 03:26:37,000
GET DOWN ON THE GROUND!

6404
03:26:37,000 --> 03:26:40,000
USE...THIS ORDINARY-OKING

6405
03:26:40,000 --> 03:26:42,000
>> WE FOUND TWO ROOMS THAT WERE

6406
03:26:42,000 --> 03:26:47,000
BEINGIZY ASGRf JUANA

6407
03:26:47,000 --> 03:26:50,000
ROOM.
>> HYDROPONIC POT, PLANTS GROWN

6408
03:26:50,000 --> 03:26:52,000
L BUTN NEWT

6409
03:26:52,000 --> 03:26:57,000
FI THE MARIJUANA YOU NOW

6410
03:26:59,000 --> 03:27:03,000
SEIZE, HOW MUCH OF IT IS GROWN

6411
03:27:03,000 --> 03:27:05,000
HYONICLY.
>> IT HAS DOUBLED IN THE LAST

6412
03:27:05,000 --> 03:27:06,000
THE OR FOUR YEARS.

6413
03:27:06,000 --> 03:27:11,000
ST OFT IN MIDDLEFNOT SEIZEUP

6414
03:27:14,000 --> 03:27:17,000
OWMANYS DO YOUVE?S.

6415
03:27:17,000 --> 03:27:18,000
>> FOUR KIDS.

6416
03:27:18,000 --> 03:27:19,000
>> YOU FIND O YOU ARE LIVING

6417
03:27:19,000 --> 03:27:20,000
ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS.

6418
03:27:20,000 --> 03:27:25,000
>> YES.
TERRIBLE.

6419
03:27:25,000 --> 03:27:27,000
MY KIDS DON'T NEED TO GROW UP IN

6420
03:27:27,000 --> 03:27:28,000
AN ENVIRONMENT LIKE THAT.

6421
03:27:28,000 --> 03:27:29,000
>> THE MARIJUANA OF THE 60'S AND

6422
03:27:29,000 --> 03:27:33,000
70'S, I DON'T THINKéUL THE

6423
03:27:33,000 --> 03:27:34,000
STREET.
WHAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY DOING IS

6424
03:27:34,000 --> 03:27:36,000
THEY ARE BREEDING A BETTER

6425
03:27:36,000 --> 03:27:37,000
QUALITY MARIJUANA.

6426
03:27:37,000 --> 03:27:40,000
>> WITH HIGHER LEVELS OF THE

6427
03:27:40,000 --> 03:27:44,000
DRUG'S ACTIVE INGREDIENT, T.H.C

6428
03:27:44,000 --> 03:27:45,000
THIS MARIJUANA IS MORE POTENT

6429
03:27:45,000 --> 03:27:47,000
AND POTENTIALLY MORE DANGEUS.

6430
03:27:47,000 --> 03:27:48,000
YOUNGf THE T.H.C.

6431
03:27:48,000 --> 03:27:53,000
LEVEL EACH TIME.

6432
03:27:53,000 --> 03:27:58,000
THIS STUFF...D G OF

6433
03:28:00,000 --> 03:28:03,000
>> IT COULD BE A PROBLEM.

6434
03:28:03,000 --> 03:28:05,000
IT'S GOING TO DO THINGS THAT WE

6435
03:28:05,000 --> 03:28:06,000
JUST DON'T KNOW ABOUT.

6436
03:28:06,000 --> 03:28:09,000
>> IN THE KIDS ASK FOR IT

6437
03:28:09,000 --> 03:28:10,000
BY NAME.

6438
03:28:10,000 --> 03:28:12,000
>> WE HAVE A NAME FOR  LOCALLY

6439
03:28:12,000 --> 03:28:16,000
HERE IS KRUPTO OR KRYPTONITE.

6440
03:28:16,000 --> 03:28:18,000
>> IRONICALLY, LAW ENFORCEMENT

6441
03:28:18,000 --> 03:28:20,000
N BL ITSELF FOR PART OF THE

6442
03:28:20,000 --> 03:28:21,000
BOOM.

6443
03:28:21,000 --> 03:28:23,000
CRACKDOWNS ON SMUGGLERS AND

6444
03:28:23,000 --> 03:28:24,000
RAIDS ON OUTIEAV

6445
03:28:24,000 --> 03:28:29,000
EEEWING INDOORSHVERYRYTHIS GEDR

6446
03:28:36,000 --> 03:28:38,000
YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A DEGREE

6447
03:28:38,000 --> 03:28:43,000
IN POT ANY TO GROW POT

6448
03:28:43,000 --> 03:28:44,000
HYDROPONICALLY.

6449
03:28:44,000 --> 03:28:48,000
FROM YOUR LOCAL GARDENING STORE,

6450
03:28:48,000 --> 03:28:49,000
PERFECTLY LEGAL.

6451
03:28:49,000 --> 03:28:52,000
AND MARIJUANA SEEDS, AVAILABLEHT

6452
03:28:52,000 --> 03:28:54,000
WOUL KW WHE TO ST

6453
03:28:54,000 --> 03:28:56,000
ME WITHTHIS.

6454
03:28:56,000 --> 03:28:57,000
AT IS

6455
03:28:57,000 --> 03:28:59,000
>> WHAT THEY DO IS...

6456
03:28:59,000 --> 03:29:00,000
>> IF A GROWER DOES HAVE

6457
03:29:00,000 --> 03:29:03,000
PROBLEMS...
>> I WILL NOW TAKE MY SEEDS...

6458
03:29:03,000 --> 03:29:06,000
>> WELL, THERE IS NO SHORTAGE OF

6459
03:29:06,000 --> 03:29:07,000
OUTSIDE ADVICE.

6460
03:29:07,000 --> 03:29:09,000
BOOKS, MAGAZINES, VIDEOS.

6461
03:29:09,000 --> 03:29:11,000
>> THE OBJECT OF THIS TAPE IS TO

6462
03:29:11,000 --> 03:29:13,000
DEMONSTRATE HOW YOU MAY GROW AS

6463
03:29:13,000 --> 03:29:16,000
MANY OF THESE LOVELY FEMALE BUDS

6464
03:29:16,000 --> 03:29:18,000
AS YOU WISH.

6465
03:29:18,000 --> 03:29:21,000
>> 12 HOURS AFTER THE BUST AT
THE HOUSE, THE POLICE HIT PAY

6466
03:29:21,000 --> 03:29:23,000
DIRT, A WAREHOUSE FILLED WITH A

6467
03:29:23,000 --> 03:29:25,000
THOUSAND PLANTS.

6468
03:29:25,000 --> 03:29:27,000
>> THIS IS WHAT THE FINAL

6469
03:29:27,000 --> 03:29:30,000
PRODUCT IS.
YOU ARE SEEING SERMARIJUANA

6470
03:29:30,000 --> 03:29:33,000
PLANTS.
>> HYDROPONIC POT IS A SMALL BUT

6471
03:29:33,000 --> 03:29:34,000
GROWING PART OF WHAT'S

6472
03:29:34,000 --> 03:29:35,000
MARKET.

6473
03:29:35,000 --> 03:29:37,000
KIDS JUST OUT FOR A HIGH MAY GET

6474
03:29:37,000 --> 03:29:39,000
MUCH MORE THAN THEY BARGAINED

6475
03:29:39,000 --> 03:29:44,000
FOR.

6476
03:29:47,000 --> 03:29:49,000
>> IS THE COAST CLEAR?

6477
03:29:49,000 --> 03:29:51,000
>> NATHAN SMITH IS STILL AT IT.

6478
03:29:51,000 --> 03:29:53,000
YOU GUYS HAVE A LIGHT?

6479
03:29:53,000 --> 03:29:54,000
>> HE IS STILL BREAKING THE

6480
03:29:54,000 --> 03:29:56,000
RULES AT HIS DRUG TREATMENT

6481
03:29:56,000 --> 03:30:01,000
PROGRAM.
>> HAVE YOU HAD ACI

6482
03:30:04,000 --> 03:30:07,000
>> DID YOU?
>> YEAH.

6483
03:30:07,000 --> 03:30:10,000
I KNOW I STILL HAVE AN ADDICT

6484
03:30:10,000 --> 03:30:14,000
WA  AGA.

6485
03:30:14,000 --> 03:30:15,000
>> THERE'S AN ADDICT INSIDE OF

6486
03:30:15,000 --> 03:30:16,000
YOU?
>> THERE PROBABLY ALWAYS WILL

6487
03:30:16,000 --> 03:30:17,000
BE.

6488
03:30:17,000 --> 03:30:19,000
>> NATE IS ONE OF THE LUCKY FEW

6489
03:30:19,000 --> 03:30:21,000
KIDS WHO HAS FIGURED IT OUT, WHO

6490
03:30:21,000 --> 03:30:26,000
.f# MADE THE CONNECTIONG THE I

6491
03:30:26,000 --> 03:30:28,000
THIS IS THE KIND OF LOVING

6492
03:30:28,000 --> 03:30:29,000
D HE WAS.

6493
03:30:29,000 --> 03:30:31,000
HE Wf ALWAYS KISSI AND LOVINGE.

6494
03:30:31,000 --> 03:30:32,000
>> KAR REMEMBERING

6495
03:30:32,000 --> 03:30:36,000
MARIJUANA.EFORE HERON ABUSED

6496
03:30:36,000 --> 03:30:38,000
ALWAYS LOVING AND ALWAYS HAPPY.

6497
03:30:38,000 --> 03:30:39,000
>> THEIR HAPPINESS WAS CUT

6498
03:30:39,000 --> 03:30:42,000
SHORT.
>> YOU WERE DISABLED IN AN

6499
03:30:42,000 --> 03:30:43,000
AUTOMOBILE ACCIDENT.
>> YES, I WAS.

6500
03:30:43,000 --> 03:30:44,000
>> HOW OLD WAS NATHAN AT THE

6501
03:30:44,000 --> 03:30:45,000
TIME?

6502
03:30:45,000 --> 03:30:47,000
>> IT WAS A WEEK AFTER HIS SIXTH

6503
03:30:47,000 --> 03:30:48,000
BIRTHDAY.

6504
03:30:48,000 --> 03:30:50,000
>> KARYL SUFFERED A SERIOUS HEAD

6505
03:30:50,000 --> 03:30:51,000
INJURY WHICH LEFT  BARELY

6506
03:30:51,000 --> 03:30:53,000
ABLE TO CARE FOR HER SON FOR

6507
03:30:53,000 --> 03:30:54,000
MORE THAN TEN YEARS.

6508
03:30:54,000 --> 03:30:56,000
>> I DON'T REMEMBER FOR THE

6509
03:30:56,000 --> 03:30:58,000
FIRST YEAR OR FOR MANY YEARS
AFTER TH.

6510
03:30:58,000 --> 03:31:01,000
>> HER MARRIAGE FELL APART.

6511
03:31:01,000 --> 03:31:03,000
NATHAN WAS VIRTUALLY ON HIS OWN.

6512
03:31:03,000 --> 03:31:05,000
>> IT'SéSTILL VERY HAR FOR H

6513
03:31:05,000 --> 03:31:07,000
TO FORGIVE ME EVEN THOUGH HE

6514
03:31:07,000 --> 03:31:10,000
UNDERSTANDS INTELLECTUALLY THAT

6515
03:31:10,000 --> 03:31:12,000
I COULDN'T BE THERE FOR HIM EVEN

6516
03:31:12,000 --> 03:31:13,000
THOUGH HE WAS WITH ME

6517
03:31:13,000 --> 03:31:14,000
PHYSICALLY.

6518
03:31:14,000 --> 03:31:15,000
I WAS WITH HIM PHYSICALLY.

6519
03:31:15,000 --> 03:31:18,000
>> IRONICALLY, THE ACCIDENT WAS

6520
03:31:18,000 --> 03:31:20,000
CAUSED BY A DRIVER WHO HAD BEEN

6521
03:31:20,000 --> 03:31:21,000
DRINKING.

6522
03:31:21,000 --> 03:31:23,000
HOW DOES THAT FACT MAKE YOU VIEW

6523
03:31:23,000 --> 03:31:24,000
YOUR SON'S ADDICTION?

6524
03:31:24,000 --> 03:31:29,000
>> UM, IT'S MOSTLY... MOSTLY

6525
03:31:30,000 --> 03:31:32,000
IT'S A VERY, VERY, VERY DEEP

6526
03:31:32,000 --> 03:31:33,000
SADNESS.

6527
03:31:33,000 --> 03:31:34,000
>> I LOVE MY MOM.

6528
03:31:34,000 --> 03:31:36,000
I ALWAYS HAVE AND I ALWAYS WILL,

6529
03:31:36,000 --> 03:31:41,000
BUT, YOU KNOW, MY MOM... MY

6530
03:31:41,000 --> 03:31:42,000
FAMILY PROBLEMS ARE PART OF THE

6531
03:31:42,000 --> 03:31:44,000
REASONS WHY I STARTED DOING

6532
03:31:44,000 --> 03:31:45,000
THE FIRST PLACE, TO G

6533
03:31:45,000 --> 03:31:48,000
AWAY FROM THAT.

6534
03:31:48,000 --> 03:31:49,000
SO WE'RE GOING TO GRADUATE ON

6535
03:31:49,000 --> 03:31:50,000
THE SAME DAY, THEN?

6536
03:31:50,000 --> 03:31:52,000
>> NATHAN IS DUE TO LEAVE HERE

6537
03:31:52,000 --> 03:31:53,000
IN TWO WEEKS.

6538
03:31:53,000 --> 03:31:54,000
>> HOME IS THE LAST PLACE HE

6539
03:31:54,000 --> 03:31:56,000
WANTS TO GO.

6540
03:31:56,000 --> 03:31:58,000
HE IS HOPING TO CONTINUE HIS
TREATMENT AT A NEARBY HALFWAY

6541
03:31:58,000 --> 03:32:00,000
HOUSE.

6542
03:32:00,000 --> 03:32:02,000
>> I DON'T THINK I'M CING

6543
03:32:02,000 --> 03:32:03,000
HOME.

6544
03:32:03,000 --> 03:32:04,000
>> DON'T YOU THINK WE SHOULD

6545
03:32:04,000 --> 03:32:05,000
TALK ABOUT IT.

6546
03:32:05,000 --> 03:32:06,000
WE HAVEN'T... I HAVEN'T BEEN

6547
03:32:06,000 --> 03:32:07,000
WITH YOU SINCE YOU WERE SIX

6548
03:32:07,000 --> 03:32:11,000
YEARS OLD.

6549
03:32:11,000 --> 03:32:13,000
>> I DON'T KNOW IF I'M READY FOR

6550
03:32:13,000 --> 03:32:15,000
THAT YET.
I STILL HAVE PLENTY OF PROBLEMS.

6551
03:32:15,000 --> 03:32:16,000
ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS HOME.

6552
03:32:16,000 --> 03:32:17,000
>> WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH

6553
03:32:17,000 --> 03:32:18,000
BEING HOME?

6554
03:32:18,000 --> 03:32:20,000
IS IT SO HORRIBLE AT HOME?

6555
03:32:20,000 --> 03:32:23,000
>> NO, I KEEP ON SAYING THIS.

6556
03:32:23,000 --> 03:32:25,000
WHY DO I LET YOU CARRY THIS (NO

6557
03:32:25,000 --> 03:32:26,000
AUDIO) ALONG.

6558
03:32:26,000 --> 03:32:28,000
>> YOU SEEM AWFULLY HOSTILE.

6559
03:32:28,000 --> 03:32:29,000
>> I AM HOSTILE.

6560
03:32:29,000 --> 03:32:32,000
>> YOU'RE NEVER THIS WHO IS ILL

6561
03:32:32,000 --> 03:32:34,000
AND ANGRY.
>> I'M ALWAYS THIS HOSTILE.

6562
03:32:34,000 --> 03:32:35,000
THAT'S THE P

6563
03:32:35,000 --> 03:32:36,000
>> YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TOWARD ME

6564
03:32:36,000 --> 03:32:41,000
SINCE YOU'VE BEEN HERE.

6565
03:32:47,000 --> 03:32:48,000
ARGUING IS NOT RIGHT.

6566
03:32:48,000 --> 03:32:51,000
>> I WASN'T ARGUING WITH YOU,

6567
03:32:51,000 --> 03:32:53,000
NATHAN.
I WAS GIVING YOU A DIFFERENT

6568
03:32:53,000 --> 03:32:57,000
PERSPECTIVE.
>> I'VE GOT 24 HOURS (NO AUDIO)

6569
03:32:57,000 --> 03:32:59,000
EVERY DAY TO THINK ABOUT A

6570
03:32:59,000 --> 03:33:00,000
DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE THAT YOU

6571
03:33:00,000 --> 03:33:01,000
DO NOT HAVE BECAUSE I'M STUCK

6572
03:33:01,000 --> 03:33:03,000
HERE...
>> AND I'M NOT HOME HURTING?

6573
03:33:03,000 --> 03:33:06,000
YOU DON'T THINK THAT I AM NOT

6574
03:33:06,000 --> 03:33:07,000
HOME HURTING BECAUSE YOU ARE

6575
03:33:07,000 --> 03:33:08,000
HERE 24 HOURS A DAY WITH YOUR

6576
03:33:08,000 --> 03:33:09,000
PERSPECTIVE?

6577
03:33:09,000 --> 03:33:11,000
>> ONE OF NATHAN'S COUNSELORS

6578
03:33:11,000 --> 03:33:14,000
PUTS AN END TO THE ARGUMENT.

6579
03:33:14,000 --> 03:33:16,000
>> NATHAN IS TRYING TO WORK
THROUGH THESE FAMILY ISSUES

6580
03:33:16,000 --> 03:33:18,000
SOBER.

6581
03:33:18,000 --> 03:33:21,000
THE SITUATION MAY LOOK CHAOTIC,

6582
03:33:21,000 --> 03:33:26,000
BUT

6583
03:33:27,000 --> 03:33:30,000
>> IT'S TWO WEEKSATER AND

6584
03:33:30,000 --> 03:33:31,000
NATHAN IS STILL BLOWING OFF SOME

6585
03:33:31,000 --> 03:33:32,000
STEAM.

6586
03:33:32,000 --> 03:33:34,000
>> YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO GO

6587
03:33:34,000 --> 03:33:36,000
DOWN.
>> TONIGHT HE WILL MOVE TO A

6588
03:33:36,000 --> 03:33:37,000
HALFWAY HOUSE.

6589
03:33:37,000 --> 03:33:39,000
A MOVE HIS MOTHER NOW SAYS SHE

6590
03:33:39,000 --> 03:33:40,000
UNDERSTANDS.
>> I WANTED HIM HOME,S.

6591
03:33:40,000 --> 03:33:42,000
I STILL WANT HIM HOME BUT I

6592
03:33:42,000 --> 03:33:45,000
WANT HIM TO BE HEALTHY AND I

6593
03:33:45,000 --> 03:33:47,000
WANT HIM TO BE WHOLE BECAUSE HE

6594
03:33:47,000 --> 03:33:50,000
NEVER WILL BE UNTIL HE'S HEALTHY

6595
03:33:50,000 --> 03:33:51,000
COMPLETELY HEALTHY.

6596
03:33:51,000 --> 03:33:52,000
>> DO WHATEVER YOU NEED TO DO,

6597
03:33:52,000 --> 03:33:53,000
NATE.
>> ALL RIGHT.

6598
03:33:53,000 --> 03:33:55,000
>> WHEN IT'S TIME FOR NATHAN TO

6599
03:33:55,000 --> 03:33:58,000
LEAVE...
>> THANKS FOR COMING, MOM.

6600
03:33:58,000 --> 03:33:59,000
>> YOU'RE WELCOME.

6601
03:33:59,000 --> 03:34:02,000
>> I'M SO PROUD OF YOU.

6602
03:34:02,000 --> 03:34:03,000
>> IS NATHAN GOING TO MAKE IT?

6603
03:34:03,000 --> 03:34:06,000
>> NATHAN IS, ONE DAY AT A TIME.

6604
03:34:06,000 --> 03:34:09,000
I'LL CLOSE THE DOOR.

6605
03:34:09,000 --> 03:34:14,000
>>ATHAN FACES HIS TOUGHESOI BY !

6606
03:34:22,000 --> 03:34:26,000
LENGE.

6607
03:34:26,000 --> 03:34:28,000
>> AND ALSO AHEAD, SHE HAS THE

6608
03:34:28,000 --> 03:34:30,000
RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT.

6609
03:34:30,000 --> 03:34:31,000
>> SHUT UP.

6610
03:34:31,000 --> 03:34:32,000
>> BUT WON'T.

6611
03:34:32,000 --> 03:34:36,000
>> REALLY?
>> ABSOLUTELY.

6612
03:34:36,000 --> 03:34:37,000
>> ATTORNEY LESLIE ABRAMSON IN

6613
03:34:37,000 --> 03:34:42,000
HER OWN DEFENSE.

6614
03:34:57,000 --> 03:34:58,000
>> I GOT MY COFFEE.

6615
03:34:58,000 --> 03:35:01,000
GOT MY BERRY BERRY KIX, YOU

6616
03:35:01,000 --> 03:35:02,000
KNOW.

6617
03:35:02,000 --> 03:35:04,000
I'M ENJOYING LIFE HERE, MAN.

6618
03:35:04,000 --> 03:35:06,000
ENJOYING LIFE.
>> NATHAN SMITH IS STARTING TO

6619
03:35:06,000 --> 03:35:07,000
FEEL AT HOME AT THE HALFWAY

6620
03:35:07,000 --> 03:35:11,000
HOUSE.

6621
03:35:11,000 --> 03:35:12,000
IMSGL I'M DOING THIS FOR THE

6622
03:35:12,000 --> 03:35:13,000
LONG RUN, YOU KNOW.

6623
03:35:13,000 --> 03:35:14,000
>> SO FAR...

6624
03:35:14,000 --> 03:35:15,000
>> DOING THIS TO MAKE MY HEAD

6625
03:35:15,000 --> 03:35:17,000
BETTER.

6626
03:35:17,000 --> 03:35:18,000
>>é ...SO GOO

6627
03:35:18,000 --> 03:35:21,000
>>E# SOM BLOND CHICKS,

6628
03:35:21,000 --> 03:35:22,000
SOME BABES.

6629
03:35:22,000 --> 03:35:23,000
SO DO YOU LIKE THIS PLACE SO

6630
03:35:23,000 --> 03:35:25,000
FAR?
>> IT'S COOL.

6631
03:35:25,000 --> 03:35:28,000
>> MOST PATIENTS ARE VERY HAPPY

6632
03:35:28,000 --> 03:35:30,000
THE FIRST TWO WEEKS BECAUSE THEY

6633
03:35:30,000 --> 03:35:33,000
HAVE MORE FREEDOM TO DO THINGS.

6634
03:35:33,000 --> 03:35:35,000
>> HE IS NATHAN'S COUNSELOR AT

6635
03:35:35,000 --> 03:35:36,000
SAFECO.

6636
03:35:36,000 --> 03:35:37,000
>> AFTER A COUPLEOF WEEKS, THEY

6637
03:35:37,000 --> 03:35:39,000
BEGIN TO SETTLE IN AND SOME OF

6638
03:35:39,000 --> 03:35:41,000
THE OLD BEHAVIORS COME BACK.

6639
03:35:41,000 --> 03:35:42,000
I HOPE IT DOESN'T SET IN WITH

6640
03:35:42,000 --> 03:35:46,000
HIM.
>> BUT IT DOES. NATHAN BREAKS

6641
03:35:46,000 --> 03:35:47,000
THE HOUSE RULES ONE TIME TOO

6642
03:35:47,000 --> 03:35:52,000
MANY AND GETS SUSPENDED.

6643
03:35:52,000 --> 03:35:54,000
HE'S NOW AT THE PLACE HE'S MOST

6644
03:35:54,000 --> 03:35:55,000
AFRAID OF.

6645
03:35:55,000 --> 03:35:56,000
HOME.

6646
03:35:56,000 --> 03:35:57,000
>> MY FAMILY PROBLEMS ARE

6647
03:35:57,000 --> 03:35:59,000
PROBABLY ONE OF THE REASONS I

6648
03:35:59,000 --> 03:36:01,000
STARTED DOING DRUGS IN THE FIRST

6649
03:36:01,000 --> 03:36:02,000
PLACE, TO GET AWAY FROM THAT.

6650
03:36:02,000 --> 03:36:04,000
>> I JUST HOPE THERE'S NO

6651
03:36:04,000 --> 03:36:05,000
RELAPSE.
IT WOULD BE TOO MUCH TO DEAL

6652
03:36:05,000 --> 03:36:07,000
WITH.
>> HE'LL MAKE IT.

6653
03:36:07,000 --> 03:36:08,000
>> I WILL.

6654
03:36:08,000 --> 03:36:09,000
I GOTTA MAKE IT.

6655
03:36:09,000 --> 03:36:11,000
>> TOMORROW, COUNSELORS WILL

6656
03:36:11,000 --> 03:36:12,000
DECIDE IF NATHAN CAN RETURN TO

6657
03:36:12,000 --> 03:36:15,000
THE HALFWAY HOUSE FOR TREATMENT.

6658
03:36:15,000 --> 03:36:18,000
>> I'M PROUD OF YOU, NATE.

6659
03:36:18,000 --> 03:36:20,000
>> ME, TOO.
>> TONIGHT, NATHAN HAS FRIENDS,

6660
03:36:20,000 --> 03:36:22,000
DAVE AND ANN FOR SUPPORT.

6661
03:36:22,000 --> 03:36:23,000
>> TWO ONLY FRIENDS IN THE WHOLE

6662
03:36:23,000 --> 03:36:24,000
WIDE WORLD.

6663
03:36:24,000 --> 03:36:25,000
>> FRIENDS WHO HAVE KNOWN NATHAN

6664
03:36:25,000 --> 03:36:27,000
AND HIS MARIJUANA HABIT...

6665
03:36:27,000 --> 03:36:30,000
>> ALWAYS HIGH ON SOMETHING.

6666
03:36:30,000 --> 03:36:31,000
>> ...BETTER THAN HIS OWN

6667
03:36:31,000 --> 03:36:33,000
MOTHER.
>> WHADO YOU KNOW THAT I DON'T

6668
03:36:33,000 --> 03:36:34,000
KNOW AS A PARENT.

6669
03:36:34,000 --> 03:36:36,000
>> HE WOULD TELL ME, MY LIFE IS

6670
03:36:36,000 --> 03:36:37,000
SHIT RIGHT NOW.

6671
03:36:37,000 --> 03:36:38,000
HE WOULD SAY RIGHT NOW I NEED

6672
03:36:38,000 --> 03:36:39,000
THIS.
I HAVE TO DO THIS.

6673
03:36:39,000 --> 03:36:40,000
I DO IT EVERY DAY.

6674
03:36:40,000 --> 03:36:41,000
>> GROWING UP, YOU NEVER SEEM TO

6675
03:36:41,000 --> 03:36:46,000
BE HAPPY, ANYTHING, BECAUSE HIS

6676
03:36:47,000 --> 03:36:49,000
PARENTS WEREN'T T

6677
03:36:49,000 --> 03:36:50,000
THAT WAS HARD ON HIM.

6678
03:36:50,000 --> 03:36:52,000
>> HOW COME YOU DIDN'T KNOW FOR

6679
03:36:52,000 --> 03:36:54,000
SO LONG.
>> WHY DIDN'T YOU COME TO ME

6680
03:36:54,000 --> 03:36:55,000
EVER.
AS A PARENT, WHY?

6681
03:36:55,000 --> 03:36:57,000
>> HE WOULDN'T GO TO ANYONE WITH

6682
03:36:57,000 --> 03:36:59,000
IT.
HE WOULD JUST COVER IT UP.

6683
03:36:59,000 --> 03:37:00,000
IT'S NOT THERE.

6684
03:37:00,000 --> 03:37:03,000
I'M DOING MY THING.
I'M ALL RIGHT.

6685
03:37:03,000 --> 03:37:04,000
>> IT'S TWO HOURS BEFORE

6686
03:37:04,000 --> 03:37:06,000
NATHAN'S HEARING.

6687
03:37:06,000 --> 03:37:07,000
>> LAST NIGHT CHANGED MY LIFE.

6688
03:37:07,000 --> 03:37:09,000
I LEARNED THINGS THAT SCARED ME

6689
03:37:09,000 --> 03:37:11,000
TO DEATH.

6690
03:37:11,000 --> 03:37:13,000
>> NOW THAT YOU KNOW ALL THIS,

6691
03:37:13,000 --> 03:37:14,000
HOW WILL YOU HELP HIM WH HE

6692
03:37:14,000 --> 03:37:17,000
COMES HOME?

6693
03:37:17,000 --> 03:37:18,000
HOW WILL YOU MAKE IT SO HE CAN

6694
03:37:18,000 --> 03:37:19,000
TALK TO YOU?

6695
03:37:19,000 --> 03:37:21,000
>> THE BEST THAT WE'VE COME UP

6696
03:37:21,000 --> 03:37:23,000
WITH SO FAR IS TO BACK OFF AND

6697
03:37:23,000 --> 03:37:25,000
TO LISTEN.

6698
03:37:25,000 --> 03:37:30,000
AND TO LEARN W IT'S ONLY A 40-ME

6699
03:37:31,000 --> 03:37:33,000
TO THE HEARING.
>> I WORRY ABOUT YOU BECAUSE I

6700
03:37:33,000 --> 03:37:36,000
LOVE YOU AND I CARE ABOUT YOU.

6701
03:37:36,000 --> 03:37:38,000
>> BUT THE CAR SEEMS TOO SMALL

6702
03:37:38,000 --> 03:37:39,000
H

6703
03:37:39,000 --> 03:37:41,000
>> WATCHHE SPEED LIMIT, KIDDO.

6704
03:37:41,000 --> 03:37:43,000
>> HIS MOTHER, AND THEIR PAST.

6705
03:37:43,000 --> 03:37:45,000
>> WHY DOU DRIVE FAST AND

6706
03:37:45,000 --> 03:37:47,000
TAKE CHANCES WHEN YOU KNOW THAT

6707
03:37:47,000 --> 03:37:48,000
PERHAPS THAT YOU COULD WIPE

6708
03:37:48,000 --> 03:37:50,000
SOMEONE ELSE OUT?

6709
03:37:50,000 --> 03:37:51,000
LOOK WHAT IT DID TO YOU?

6710
03:37:51,000 --> 03:37:55,000
>> WE GOTDSGOSCECAUSE OF A DRUNK

6711
03:37:55,000 --> 03:37:57,000
DRIVER, OKAY?

6712
03:37:57,000 --> 03:38:00,000
I HAD NOBODY... I DIDN'T KNOW

6713
03:38:00,000 --> 03:38:01,000
WHO I WAS STAYING WITH.

6714
03:38:01,000 --> 03:38:03,000
I DIDN'T KNOW HOT HELL WAS

6715
03:38:03,000 --> 03:38:05,000
fLAMIE.RE OF ME.

6716
03:38:05,000 --> 03:38:10,000
BODY!O)f I DRUGS TO

6717
03:38:15,000 --> 03:38:17,000
TAKE AWAY THE PAIN!

6718
03:38:17,000 --> 03:38:20,000
>> I DID NOT KNOW.

6719
03:38:20,000 --> 03:38:25,000
>> I DID NOT KNOW.(NO AUDIO) ITF

6720
03:38:25,000 --> 03:38:30,000
THAN F&TING

6721
03:38:30,000 --> 03:38:34,000
>> AS THEY ARRIVE AT THE HEARING

6722
03:38:34,000 --> 03:38:35,000
KARYL AND NATHAN HAVE TO

6723
03:38:35,000 --> 03:38:40,000
REGROUP.f

6724
03:38:52,000 --> 03:38:53,000
>> I DON'T EVEN KNOW ANYMORE.

6725
03:38:53,000 --> 03:38:58,000
ALL I KNOW IS I HAVE TO DO THISS

6726
03:38:58,000 --> 03:39:01,000
AT

6727
03:39:01,000 --> 03:39:02,000
WILL TERM DETERMINE WHETHER HE
STAYS IN TREATMENT OR NOT.

6728
03:39:02,000 --> 03:39:06,000
>> BEHIND A CLOSED DOOR, THE

6729
03:39:06,000 --> 03:39:08,000
HEARING LASTS AND HOUR AND A

6730
03:39:08,000 --> 03:39:11,000
HALF.
FINALLY NATHAN EMERGES.

6731
03:39:11,000 --> 03:39:13,000
HOW DID IT GO, NATHAN?

6732
03:39:13,000 --> 03:39:14,000
>> I'M STAYING.

6733
03:39:14,000 --> 03:39:15,000
>> YOU'RE STAYING?

6734
03:39:15,000 --> 03:39:16,000
>> YEAH.

6735
03:39:16,000 --> 03:39:18,000
>> YOU DON'T SOUND TOO HAPPY.

6736
03:39:18,000 --> 03:39:19,000
WAS IT A TOUGH MEETING?

6737
03:39:19,000 --> 03:39:22,000
>> YEAH.

6738
03:39:22,000 --> 03:39:24,000
IT WAS REALLY TOUGH.
>> HE'S BACK IN THE PROGRAM.

6739
03:39:24,000 --> 03:39:25,000
ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU WANTED?

6740
03:39:25,000 --> 03:39:30,000
>> YES.

6741
03:39:30,000 --> 03:39:32,000
LIKE I SAID, IT DOESN'T MATTER

6742
03:39:32,000 --> 03:39:34,000
IF HE'S DRUG-FREE.

6743
03:39:34,000 --> 03:39:36,000
IT'S THE REASON HE WENT ON DRUGS

6744
03:39:36,000 --> 03:39:37,000
IS BECAUSE HE WOULDN'T FORGIVE

6745
03:39:37,000 --> 03:39:42,000
ME BECAUSE I WASN'T THERE FOR

6746
03:39:42,000 --> 03:39:46,000
HIM.
>> SO WHAT'S YOUR NEXT MOVE NOW?

6747
03:39:46,000 --> 03:39:49,000
>> I'M GONNA WAIT FOR A VAN TO

6748
03:39:49,000 --> 03:39:50,000
GO TO SAFECO.

6749
03:39:50,000 --> 03:39:51,000
>> WHEN YOU GO THERE, ARE YOU

6750
03:39:51,000 --> 03:39:53,000
GOING TO ABIDE BY THE RULES?

6751
03:39:53,000 --> 03:39:54,000
>> YEAH.
>> ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE IT

6752
03:39:54,000 --> 03:39:56,000
THROUGH THIS?

6753
03:39:56,000 --> 03:39:59,000
>> I DON'T KNOW.

6754
03:39:59,000 --> 03:40:00,000
I HAVE A TERRIBLE FEELING OF

6755
03:40:00,000 --> 03:40:01,000
JUST HELPLESSNESS.

6756
03:40:01,000 --> 03:40:04,000
I DON'T UNDERSTAND.Q

6757
03:40:04,000 --> 03:40:09,000
AN YOUR M IS HURTG.COND, MAN.

6758
03:40:09,000 --> 03:40:11,000
HELP HER OUT A LITTLE BIT.

6759
03:40:11,000 --> 03:40:13,000
I ASKED NATHAN TO HAVE ONE LAST

6760
03:40:13,000 --> 03:40:14,000
WORD WITH HIS MOTHER BEFORE THEY

6761
03:40:14,000 --> 03:40:19,000
LEFT.

6762
03:40:19,000 --> 03:40:21,000
>> I WANT ME AND MY MOM TO BE A

6763
03:40:21,000 --> 03:40:24,000
FAMILY AGAIN, YOU KNOW, BUT IT

6764
03:40:24,000 --> 03:40:27,000
TAKES TIME.
IT DOESN'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT, YOU

6765
03:40:27,000 --> 03:40:29,000
KNOW.
>> FOR A YOUNG MAN LIKE NATHAN,

6766
03:40:29,000 --> 03:40:31,000
THERE ARE NO HAPPY ENDINGS, JUST

6767
03:40:31,000 --> 03:40:32,000
ANOTHER CHANCE, ANOTHER CHANCE

6768
03:40:32,000 --> 03:40:34,000
TO START OVER.

6769
03:40:34,000 --> 03:40:36,000
>> I THINK MY MOM KNOWS THAT I

6770
03:40:36,000 --> 03:40:41,000
CARE FOR HER AND I LOVE HER.

6771
03:40:43,000 --> 03:40:44,000
>> TONIGHT, NATHAN IS BACK HOME

6772
03:40:44,000 --> 03:40:46,000
WITH HIS MOTHER, BUT ONLY

6773
03:40:46,000 --> 03:40:48,000
BECAUSE HE WAS KICKED OUT OF THE

6774
03:40:48,000 --> 03:40:50,000
HALFWAY HOUSE; THIS TIMEOR

6775
03:40:50,000 --> 03:40:51,000
GOOD.

6776
03:40:51,000 --> 03:40:53,000
AS F SARABETH, SHE FAILED YET

6777
03:40:53,000 --> 03:40:56,000
AN AND JUSTYESTERDAY THE JUDGE R

6778
03:40:56,000 --> 03:40:57,000
BACK TO THE DETENTION CENTER.

6779
03:40:57,000 --> 03:40:58,000
AND SIMON?

6780
03:40:58,000 --> 03:41:01,000
WELL, HE'STILLNG PéNOW

6781
03:41:01,000 --> 03:41:03,000
AND AGAIN, AND SO FAR STILL

6782
03:41:03,000 --> 03:41:07,000
MAKIT S.

6783
03:41:07,000 --> 03:41:08,000
>> HERE'S THE PROOF THAT HE'S

6784
03:41:08,000 --> 03:41:09,000
LYING.

6785
03:41:09,000 --> 03:41:12,000
>> GET READY FOR A CROSS

6786
03:41:12,000 --> 03:41:13,000
EXAMINATION.

6787
03:41:13,000 --> 03:41:14,000
>> WHETHER HE DID IT OR NOT,

6788
03:41:14,000 --> 03:41:15,000
WHETHER HE IS A BAD PERSON OR

6789
03:41:15,000 --> 03:41:17,000
NOT, YOU JUST WANT TO GET YOUR

6790
03:41:17,000 --> 03:41:19,000
CLIENT OFF.
THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE THINK.

6791
03:41:19,000 --> 03:41:22,000
>> BERNARD GOLDBERG AND LESLIE

6792
03:41:22,000 --> 03:41:27,000
ABRAMSON JUST AHEAD.
R

6793
03:41:27,000 --> 03:41:29,000
ROLE.
THEY THINK WE APPROVE OF WHAT

6794
03:41:29,000 --> 03:41:31,000
OUR CLIENTS DO WHEN OF COURSE WE

6795
03:41:31,000 --> 03:41:32,000
DON'T.

6796
03:41:32,000 --> 03:41:33,000
>> THE REASON THEY THINK YOU

6797
03:41:33,000 --> 03:41:36,000
APPROVE IS BECAUSE YOU ARE

6798
03:41:36,000 --> 03:41:37,000
TRYING TO GET SOMEONE OFF, EVEN

6799
03:41:37,000 --> 03:41:40,000
IF THEY DID DO IT.

6800
03:41:40,000 --> 03:41:43,000
>> SUSPECT IF YOU SUBSTITUTE A

6801
03:41:43,000 --> 03:41:44,000
WORD OFF WITH GET A FAIR TRIAL,

6802
03:41:44,000 --> 03:41:46,000
THAT'S ABSOLUTELY TRUE.

6803
03:41:46,000 --> 03:41:50,000
WHAT WOULD WE THINK OF A SYSTEM

6804
03:41:50,000 --> 03:41:51,000
WHERE THE DEFENSE LAWYER IS NOT

6805
03:41:51,000 --> 03:41:52,000
ON YOUR SIDE.

6806
03:41:52,000 --> 03:41:56,000
WOULD WE CALL IT THE THIRD REICH

6807
03:41:56,000 --> 03:41:57,000
SOVIET RUSSIA?

6808
03:41:57,000 --> 03:41:58,000
SHUT UP.

6809
03:41:58,000 --> 03:41:59,000
>> LESLIE ABRAMSON HAS BEEN

6810
03:41:59,000 --> 03:42:00,000
CALLED ABRASIVE AND A LOT WORSE.

6811
03:42:00,000 --> 03:42:03,000
LIKE A LOT OF OTHER DEFENSE

6812
03:42:03,000 --> 03:42:04,000
LAWYERS, SHE COULDN'T CARE LESS.

6813
03:42:04,000 --> 03:42:05,000
>> THAT'S AS BAD AS IT IS.

6814
03:42:05,000 --> 03:42:07,000
THAT'S THE WORST THING ANYBODY

6815
03:42:07,000 --> 03:42:09,000
CAN SAY HE EVER DID TO HIS

6816
03:42:09,000 --> 03:42:10,000
PARENTS BEFORE HE WAS DRIVEN

6817
03:42:10,000 --> 03:42:11,000
OVER THE EDGE

6818
03:42:11,000 --> 03:42:12,000
>> WE FIRST GOT TO KNOW HER

6819
03:42:12,000 --> 03:42:14,000
DURING THE MENENDEZ TRIAL.

6820
03:42:14,000 --> 03:42:16,000
>> THIS IS A TELEVISED TRIAL.

6821
03:42:16,000 --> 03:42:18,000
AND IT'S TELEVISED NATIONALLY.

6822
03:42:18,000 --> 03:42:21,000
>> THE MENENDEZ BROTHERS, LYLE

6823
03:42:21,000 --> 03:42:23,000
AND ERIK FIRST DENIED AND THEN

6824
03:42:23,000 --> 03:42:25,000
ADMITTED SHOTGUNING THEIR

6825
03:42:25,000 --> 03:42:26,000
PARENTS TO DEATH IN THEIR

6826
03:42:26,000 --> 03:42:27,000
BEVERLY HILLS HOME.

6827
03:42:27,000 --> 03:42:29,000
>> I RAN AROUND, SHOT MY MOM.

6828
03:42:29,000 --> 03:42:33,000
>> IT WAS SELF-DEFENSE, ABRAMSON

6829
03:42:33,000 --> 03:42:34,000
ARGUES.

6830
03:42:34,000 --> 03:42:35,000
>> THEY ARE NOT REALLY PLANNING

6831
03:42:35,000 --> 03:42:37,000
TO KILL THEIR PARENTS.
THEY ARE PLANNING TO DEFEND

6832
03:42:37,000 --> 03:42:39,000
THEMSELVES AND HOPE IT DOESN'T

6833
03:42:39,000 --> 03:42:40,000
COME TO THAT.

6834
03:42:40,000 --> 03:42:42,000
>> THE BOYS, SHE SAID, HAD A

6835
03:42:42,000 --> 03:42:45,000
DEATHLY FEAR OF THEIR FATHER WHO

6836
03:42:45,000 --> 03:42:46,000
THEY CLAIM SEXUALLY ABUSED THEM.

6837
03:42:46,000 --> 03:42:50,000
>> MY DAD SEXUALLY ABUSED ME.

6838
03:42:50,000 --> 03:42:52,000
>> HIS HAND IS IN HIS CHILD'S

6839
03:42:52,000 --> 03:42:54,000
CROTCH.
>> WHEN PEOPLE SAY THEY DON'T

6840
03:42:54,000 --> 03:42:55,000
LIKE DEFENSE LAWYERS, THERE IS A

6841
03:42:55,000 --> 03:42:57,000
GOOD CHANCE LESLIE ABRAMSON IS

6842
03:42:57,000 --> 03:42:58,000
ONE OF THE DEFENSE LAWYERS THEY

6843
03:42:58,000 --> 03:42:59,000
DON'T LIKE.
>> IF YOU WANT TO BELIEVE THAT

6844
03:42:59,000 --> 03:43:01,000
HE KILLED HIS PARENTS SO HE

6845
03:43:01,000 --> 03:43:05,000
COULD GET A STAINLESS STEEL

6846
03:43:05,000 --> 03:43:07,000
ROLEX WATCH, CAN I NOT STOP YOU.

6847
03:43:07,000 --> 03:43:09,000
>> WE TALKED ABOUT HER NEW BOOK

6848
03:43:09,000 --> 03:43:11,000
"THE DEFENSE IS READY" IN HER

6849
03:43:11,000 --> 03:43:13,000
LOS ANGELES OFFICE AND WHY SO

6850
03:43:13,000 --> 03:43:15,000
MANY AMERICANS THINK MORE OF

6851
03:43:15,000 --> 03:43:17,000
USED CAR DEALERS THAN THEY DO OF

6852
03:43:17,000 --> 03:43:18,000
CRIMINAL DEFENSE LAWYERS.

6853
03:43:18,000 --> 03:43:20,000
>> YOU KNOW THE JOKE WHEN IS A

6854
03:43:20,000 --> 03:43:21,000
LAWYER LYING?

6855
03:43:21,000 --> 03:43:23,000
WHEN HER LIPS ARE MOVING.

6856
03:43:23,000 --> 03:43:24,000
>> IT'S NOT A JOKE.

6857
03:43:24,000 --> 03:43:27,000
IT REFLECTS A NEGATIVE ATTITUDE

6858
03:43:27,000 --> 03:43:30,000
BY SOCIETY.
DO THEY THINK WE REALLY WANT

6859
03:43:30,000 --> 03:43:32,000
CRIMINALS RUNNING LOOSE ON THE
STREET, VICTIMIZING PEOPLE?

6860
03:43:32,000 --> 03:43:33,000
>> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

6861
03:43:33,000 --> 03:43:34,000
HERE'S WHAT I THINK.

6862
03:43:34,000 --> 03:43:36,000
ALL YOU YOU CARE ABOUT IS

6863
03:43:36,000 --> 03:43:37,000
GETTING YOUR CLIENT OFF WHETHER

6864
03:43:37,000 --> 03:43:39,000
HE DID IT OR NOT, WHETHER HE'S A

6865
03:43:39,000 --> 03:43:40,000
BAD PERSON OR NOT.

6866
03:43:40,000 --> 03:43:41,000
WHETHER HE IS GOING TO GO OUT

6867
03:43:41,000 --> 03:43:42,000
AND DO IT AGAIN OR NOT.

6868
03:43:42,000 --> 03:43:44,000
YOU JUST WANT TO GET YOUR CLIENT

6869
03:43:44,000 --> 03:43:46,000
OFF.
THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE

6870
03:43:46,000 --> 03:43:47,000
THINK.

6871
03:43:47,000 --> 03:43:48,000
>> IT IS OUR JOB TO MAKE SURE

6872
03:43:48,000 --> 03:43:49,000
THE PROCEDURE IS FAIR, THE

6873
03:43:49,000 --> 03:43:50,000
EVIDENCE IS TRUTHFUL.

6874
03:43:50,000 --> 03:43:51,000
IT'S REAL.

6875
03:43:51,000 --> 03:43:52,000
IT ISN'T FAKE.

6876
03:43:52,000 --> 03:43:53,000
IT ISN'T A LIE.

6877
03:43:53,000 --> 03:43:54,000
IT ISN'T MADE UP.

6878
03:43:54,000 --> 03:43:56,000
IT ISN'T PLANTED.

6879
03:43:56,000 --> 03:43:58,000
IT ISN'T MANUFACTURED.

6880
03:43:58,000 --> 03:43:59,000
ALL OF THOSE THINGS HAVE

6881
03:43:59,000 --> 03:44:00,000
HAPPENED OVER THE YEARS AND

6882
03:44:00,000 --> 03:44:01,000
STILL HAPPEN EVERY DAY.

6883
03:44:01,000 --> 03:44:03,000
>> THE COURT FINDS THAT THE JURY

6884
03:44:03,000 --> 03:44:04,000
IS HOPELESSLY DEADLOCKED.

6885
03:44:04,000 --> 03:44:06,000
>> THE FIRST MENENDEZ TRIAL

6886
03:44:06,000 --> 03:44:09,000
ENDED IN A HUNG JURY.

6887
03:44:09,000 --> 03:44:12,000
>> BROTHERS ERIK AND LYLE

6888
03:44:12,000 --> 03:44:15,000
MENENDEZ HAVE BEEN ORDERED TO
SPEND THE REST OF THEIR LIVES IN

6889
03:44:15,000 --> 03:44:16,000
PRISON.

6890
03:44:16,000 --> 03:44:18,000
>> IN THE SECOND, THEY WERE
CONVICTED AN SENTENCED TO LIFE

6891
03:44:18,000 --> 03:44:19,000
IN PRISON WITHOUT PAROLE.

6892
03:44:19,000 --> 03:44:23,000
TI AND NTCEE AMSON, THE

6893
03:44:23,000 --> 03:44:24,000
AVESTY OF JUSTICE.

6894
03:44:24,000 --> 03:44:25,000
IFOU LISTEN TO HER TODAY, SHE

6895
03:44:25,000 --> 03:44:27,000
MAKES ITKE THE WHOLE

6896
03:44:27,000 --> 03:44:30,000
JUDICIAL SYSTEM IS A TRAVESTY OF

6897
03:44:30,000 --> 03:44:31,000
JUSTICE, STARTING WITH THE
POLICE.

6898
03:44:31,000 --> 03:44:33,000
>> YOU WROTE ABOUT THE POLICE

6899
03:44:33,000 --> 03:44:35,000
"THE GENERAL RULE IS COPS LIE."

6900
03:44:35,000 --> 03:44:36,000
>> YOU KNOW WHEN I CAME TO

6901
03:44:36,000 --> 03:44:39,000
BELIEVE IT?
WHEN I CAME FRIENDS WITH

6902
03:44:39,000 --> 03:44:42,000
EX-COPS.
>> WHAT DO THE EX-COPS TELL YOU?

6903
03:44:42,000 --> 03:44:43,000
>> THAT THEY LIE.

6904
03:44:43,000 --> 03:44:44,000
THEY DON'T TEACH IT IN THE

6905
03:44:44,000 --> 03:44:45,000
ACADEMY.

6906
03:44:45,000 --> 03:44:47,000
THEY LEARN IT, THE LITTLE

6907
03:44:47,000 --> 03:44:49,000
COPLETS, THE ROOKIES LEARN IT

6908
03:44:49,000 --> 03:44:51,000
THE MINUTE THEY GET ASSIGNED TO

6909
03:44:51,000 --> 03:44:52,000
A STATION AND A PARTNER AND

6910
03:44:52,000 --> 03:44:55,000
THEY'RE TOLD "THAT'S HOW WE DO

6911
03:44:55,000 --> 03:44:56,000
THINGS."

6912
03:44:56,000 --> 03:44:57,000
THEY SEE IT HAPPENING.

6913
03:44:57,000 --> 03:44:58,000
THEY DO NOTHING, THEY SAY

6914
03:44:58,000 --> 03:44:59,000
NOTHING.

6915
03:44:59,000 --> 03:45:00,000
THE CODE OF SILENCE IS

6916
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:01,000
ABSOLUTELY TRUE.

6917
03:45:01,000 --> 03:45:02,000
>> WHAT ABOUT THE ARGUMENT,

6918
03:45:02,000 --> 03:45:05,000
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A FEW BAD

6919
03:45:05,000 --> 03:45:06,000
APPLES?

6920
03:45:06,000 --> 03:45:09,000
>> IT'S NOT BAD APPLES SRKS IT'S

6921
03:45:09,000 --> 03:45:10,000
A FEW GOOD APPLES.

6922
03:45:10,000 --> 03:45:13,000
>> YOU ARE NOT A FAN OF JUDGES,

6923
03:45:13,000 --> 03:45:14,000
EITHER.

6924
03:45:14,000 --> 03:45:16,000
>> SADLY NO.
>> YOU SAID IN YOUR BOOK AN

6925
03:45:16,000 --> 03:45:17,000
ASTONISHING NUMBER OF JUDGES ARE

6926
03:45:17,000 --> 03:45:18,000
REMARKABLY STUPID, TOTALLY CRAZY

6927
03:45:18,000 --> 03:45:22,000
OR DEPLORABLY LAZY.

6928
03:45:22,000 --> 03:45:26,000
>> I WAS TALKING ABOUT WHAT I
SAW WHEN I STARTED PRACTICING.

6929
03:45:26,000 --> 03:45:27,000
I WANTED TO LOOK UP THERE AND

6930
03:45:27,000 --> 03:45:30,000
SEE A FATHER OR MOTHER FIGURE

6931
03:45:30,000 --> 03:45:32,000
HAND DOWN THE WISDOM.

6932
03:45:32,000 --> 03:45:33,000
I FOUND OUT, I KNEW MORE THAN

6933
03:45:33,000 --> 03:45:35,000
THEY DID.

6934
03:45:35,000 --> 03:45:39,000
>> ABRAMSON SAYS JUDGES HAVE

6935
03:45:39,000 --> 03:45:40,000
GOTTEN OVER THE YEARS BUT

6936
03:45:40,000 --> 03:45:42,000
PROSECUTORS HAVE GOTTEN WORST.

6937
03:45:42,000 --> 03:45:44,000
>> THE PROSECUTION'S ONLY

6938
03:45:44,000 --> 03:45:45,000
INTEREST IS NOT IN JUSTICE.

6939
03:45:45,000 --> 03:45:47,000
IT'S IN GETTING A CONVICTION.

6940
03:45:47,000 --> 03:45:48,000
>> REALLY?

6941
03:45:48,000 --> 03:45:49,000
>> ABSOLUTELY.

6942
03:45:49,000 --> 03:45:50,000
FEW AND FAR BETWEEN ARE THE

6943
03:45:50,000 --> 03:45:54,000
PROSECUTORS WHO REALLY ARE

6944
03:45:54,000 --> 03:45:55,000
CONCERNED ABOUT WHETHER THE

6945
03:45:55,000 --> 03:45:57,000
PERSON THEY ARE PROSECUTING IS

6946
03:45:57,000 --> 03:45:58,000
GUILTY OR INNOCENT.

6947
03:45:58,000 --> 03:45:59,000
>> LESLIE.

6948
03:45:59,000 --> 03:46:01,000
>> I'VE BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS 27

6949
03:46:01,000 --> 03:46:02,000
YEARS.

6950
03:46:02,000 --> 03:46:04,000
27 YEARS.
I HAVE WON A STRING OF CASES OF

6951
03:46:04,000 --> 03:46:08,000
INNOCENT CLIENTS, CLEARLY

6952
03:46:08,000 --> 03:46:10,000
INNOCENT CLIENTS, THE

6953
03:46:10,000 --> 03:46:12,000
PROSECUTION PUSHES HARDER.

6954
03:46:12,000 --> 03:46:13,000
>> YOU'RE SORT OF SUGGESTING

6955
03:46:13,000 --> 03:46:16,000
THAT THE DEFENSE LAWYERS ARE THE

6956
03:46:16,000 --> 03:46:17,000
NOBLE ONES IN THIS WHOLE
PROCESS.

6957
03:46:17,000 --> 03:46:21,000
>> ABSOLUTELY.

6958
03:46:21,000 --> 03:46:24,000
YOU LAUGH.
WHAT RIGHT DO YOU HAVE TO LAUGH?

6959
03:46:24,000 --> 03:46:26,000
BECAUSE WHAT YOU ARE DOING, YOUR

6960
03:46:26,000 --> 03:46:28,000
LAUGHTER IS PRECISELY WHY THE

6961
03:46:28,000 --> 03:46:29,000
PUBLIC BELIEVES THE OPPOSITE.

6962
03:46:29,000 --> 03:46:30,000
>> NO, I'M SORT  REFLECTING

6963
03:46:30,000 --> 03:46:32,000
THE PUBLIC'S VIEW, NOT CREATING

6964
03:46:32,000 --> 03:46:34,000
IT.
>> YOU CREATE IT.

6965
03:46:34,000 --> 03:46:36,000
I'M SORRY, THEY HAVE NO BASIS TO

6966
03:46:36,000 --> 03:46:37,000
KNOW ONE WAY OR THE OTHER UNTIL

6967
03:46:37,000 --> 03:46:38,000
YOU TELL THEM ABOUT IT.

6968
03:46:38,000 --> 03:46:40,000
>> TO LESLIE ABRAMSON,ON

6969
03:46:40,000 --> 03:46:41,000
THE REASONS COPS LIE AND

6970
03:46:41,000 --> 03:46:43,000
PROSECUTORS ONLY CARE ABO

6971
03:46:43,000 --> 03:46:45,000
WINNING IS BECAUSE WE AMERICANS

6972
03:46:45,000 --> 03:46:46,000
HAVE BECOME SO SICK OF THE BAD

6973
03:46:46,000 --> 03:46:48,000
GUYS, THAT WE DON'T CARE IF THE

6974
03:46:48,000 --> 03:46:49,000
GOOD GUYS CHEAT.

6975
03:46:49,000 --> 03:46:51,000
TOHISIBERAL DEFENSE LAWYER,

6976
03:46:51,000 --> 03:46:53,000
THE REAL PROBLEM IS A RIGHWING

6977
03:46:53,000 --> 03:46:54,000
AMERICA.

6978
03:46:54,000 --> 03:46:56,000
>> ISN'T THE REAL STORY HERE

6979
03:46:56,000 --> 03:46:58,000
THAT AMERICA HAS DRIFTED SO FAR

6980
03:46:58,000 --> 03:47:00,000
TO THE RIGHT, THAT LAW AND ORDER

6981
03:47:00,000 --> 03:47:05,000
CONVICT A ANY COST, LOCKN

6982
03:47:05,000 --> 03:47:06,000
'EM AND SOCK 'EM.

6983
03:47:06,000 --> 03:47:09,000
WHO CARES IF THEY ARE INNOCENT.

6984
03:47:09,000 --> 03:47:10,000
ISN'T THAT WHAT'S REALLY GOING

6985
03:47:10,000 --> 03:47:13,000
ON.
ISN'T THAT WHERE AMERICA IS, TO

6986
03:47:13,000 --> 03:47:14,000
ITS DISGRACE?

6987
03:47:14,000 --> 03:47:15,000
>> IS THAT WHAT YOU THINK?

6988
03:47:15,000 --> 03:47:16,000
>> THAT'S WHAT I THINK.

6989
03:47:16,000 --> 03:47:17,000
>> LESLIE ABRAMSON NEEDS A

6990
03:47:17,000 --> 03:47:18,000
VACATION.

6991
03:47:18,000 --> 03:47:20,000
SHE SAYS SHE NEEDS TO GET AWAY

6992
03:47:20,000 --> 03:47:21,000
FROM BEING A FULL TIME DEFENSE

6993
03:47:21,000 --> 03:47:23,000
LAWYER, AT LEAST FOR A WHILE.

6994
03:47:23,000 --> 03:47:26,000
>> I'D DO ANYTHING NOT TO LOOK

6995
03:47:26,000 --> 03:47:27,000
LIKE HOWARD STERN.

6996
03:47:27,000 --> 03:47:29,000
>> SHE IS TRYING OUT FOR A JOB

6997
03:47:29,000 --> 03:47:31,000
AS A "NEWS RADIO" TALK SHOW

6998
03:47:31,000 --> 03:47:36,000
HOST.
SHE IS ALSO LOOKING FOR TV.

6999
03:47:37,000 --> 03:47:38,000
>> LET ME SAY SOMETHING ABOUT

7000
03:47:38,000 --> 03:47:39,000
THAT...

7001
03:47:39,000 --> 03:47:41,000
>> WHETHER IT'S BEHIND THE MIKE

7002
03:47:41,000 --> 03:47:42,000
CROW PHONE OR IN THE COURTROOM,

7003
03:47:42,000 --> 03:47:44,000
LESLIE ABRAMSON HAS A MESGE

7004
03:47:44,000 --> 03:47:46,000
WHICH MAY GIVE YOU SECOND

7005
03:47:46,000 --> 03:47:47,000
THOUGHTS ABOUT DEFENSE LAWYERS.

7006
03:47:47,000 --> 03:47:49,000
THE PROBLEM IS, THEY MAY BE

7007
03:47:49,000 --> 03:47:51,000
EXACTLY THE SAME AS YOUR FIRST

7008
03:47:51,000 --> 03:47:52,000
THOUGHTS.

7009
03:47:52,000 --> 03:47:53,000
>> OUR SYSTEM SAYS YOU WILL

7010
03:47:53,000 --> 03:47:56,000
DEFEND THIS MAN ACCUSED OF

7011
03:47:56,000 --> 03:47:58,000
MURDER AND EVEN IF HE DID IT,

7012
03:47:58,000 --> 03:47:59,000
YOU WILL GIVE HIM A ZEALOUS

7013
03:47:59,000 --> 03:48:02,000
DEFENSE AND TRY TO GET HIM

7014
03:48:02,000 --> 03:48:03,000
ACQUITTED, EVEN IF HE DID IT.

7015
03:48:03,000 --> 03:48:04,000
>> EXACTLY.

7016
03:48:04,000 --> 03:48:06,000
WE DO THIS WEIRD THING.

7017
03:48:06,000 --> 03:48:09,000
WE STAND UP AND ADVOCATE FOR

7018
03:48:09,000 --> 03:48:12,000
PEOPLE WHO WE KNOW ARE BAD.

7019
03:48:12,000 --> 03:48:14,000
THAT IS OUR FUNCTION AND WIT

7020
03:48:14,000 --> 03:48:16,000
IT, THE GOOD WOULD GET

7021
03:48:16,000 --> 03:48:19,000
CONVICTE

7022
03:48:19,000 --> 03:48:22,000
OMING UP...

7023
03:48:22,000 --> 03:48:24,000
>> NOW THE LATEST ON A STORY

7024
03:48:24,000 --> 03:48:25,000
YOU'LL BE HEARING A LOT MORE

7025
03:48:25,000 --> 03:48:27,000
ABOUT IN THE NEXT 48 HOURS.

7026
03:48:27,000 --> 03:48:29,000
>> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,

7027
03:48:29,000 --> 03:48:31,000
ELIZABETH TAYLOR.

7028
03:48:31,000 --> 03:48:34,000
>> HINGER.

7029
03:48:34,000 --> 03:48:37,000
>> A LIFE SPENT IN THE SPOTLIT

7030
03:48:37,000 --> 03:48:41,000
TODAY TOOK ANOTHER DRAMATIC
TURN.

7031
03:48:41,000 --> 03:48:45,000
FOUR DAYS AFTER HOLLYWOOD HELPED

7032
03:48:45,000 --> 03:48:48,000
ELIZABETH TAYLOR CELEBRATE HER

7033
03:48:48,000 --> 03:48:50,000
IRY,RS

7034
03:48:50,000 --> 03:48:52,000
UM FMER BRAIN.

7035
03:48:52,000 --> 03:48:54,000
>> SHE IS RESTING COMFORTAB...

7036
03:48:54,000 --> 03:48:59,000
>> THE FOUR-HOUR OPERATION WA

7037
03:48:59,000 --> 03:49:00,000
UNARTERIICLY

7038
03:49:00,000 --> 03:49:01,000
UNTHEATRICAL.

7039
03:49:01,000 --> 03:49:03,000
>> SHE WILL BE IN INTENSIVE CARE

7040
03:49:03,000 --> 03:49:04,000
FOR A DAY OR SO.

7041
03:49:04,000 --> 03:49:06,000
>> ELIZABETH TAYLOR HAS PLAYED

7042
03:49:06,000 --> 03:49:08,000
I'VE MO DD AOUE

7043
03:49:08,000 --> 03:49:09,000
TIMES.

7044
03:49:09,000 --> 03:49:10,000
I'VE BEEN PRONOUNCED DEAD.

7045
03:49:10,000 --> 03:49:13,000
I'VE READ MYWN

7046
03:49:13,000 --> 03:49:15,000
STI'VER HAD.

7047
03:49:15,000 --> 03:49:18,000
>> THE DOCTOR GAVE THEIR STAR

7048
03:49:18,000 --> 03:49:19,000
PATIENT GOOD REVIEWSS.

7049
03:49:19,000 --> 03:49:21,000
>> WE EXPECT A FULL RECOVERY.

7050
03:49:21,000 --> 03:49:22,000
>> OF COURSE WE'LL HAVE THE

7051
03:49:22,000 --> 03:49:27,000
LATEON THE STAGE.óoe@T

7052
03:49:33,000 --> 03:49:35,000
IT'S THAT DAMN GARLIC.

7053
03:49:35,000 --> 03:49:36,000
WHERE IS IT, JACK?

7054
03:49:36,000 --> 03:49:38,000
UP LEFT.

7055
03:49:38,000 --> 03:49:40,000
GUYS, UPSTAGE LEFT--
MONKEY SHIT.

7056
03:49:40,000 --> 03:49:42,000
YOU WANT
SOME BLOW?

7057
03:49:42,000 --> 03:49:46,000
LAST CHANCE ICE.

7058
03:49:46,000 --> 03:49:47,000
GO! GO!

7059
03:49:47,000 --> 03:49:49,000
PICK IT UP.
LET'S GO.

7060
03:49:49,000 --> 03:49:51,000
MOVE FASTER.
PICK IT UP.

7061
03:49:51,000 --> 03:49:55,000
BRIAN, GO!

7062
03:49:55,000 --> 03:49:58,000
SEE YA.

7063
03:49:58,000 --> 03:50:00,000
ALL RIGHT, EVERYBODY,
LET'S GO!

7064
03:50:00,000 --> 03:50:02,000
GO! GO! GO! GO!

7065
03:50:02,000 --> 03:50:04,000
I LOVE YOU.

7066
03:50:04,000 --> 03:50:09,000
COME ON, YOU GUYS.
KEEP IT MOVING.

7067
03:50:10,000 --> 03:50:11,000
NOMI, WAIT.

7068
03:50:11,000 --> 03:50:12,000
WHAT?

7069
03:50:12,000 --> 03:50:13,000
TWO BEATS.

7070
03:50:13,000 --> 03:50:18,000
1, 2. GO!

7071
03:50:25,000 --> 03:50:26,000
OH!

7072
03:50:26,000 --> 03:50:31,000
SHIT.

7073
03:50:44,000 --> 03:50:49,000
YEAH!

7074
03:51:03,000 --> 03:51:05,000
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,

7075
03:51:05,000 --> 03:51:07,000
THE STARDUST
PROUDLY PRESENTS...

7076
03:51:07,000 --> 03:51:09,000
MISS CRISTAL CONNORS!

7077
03:51:09,000 --> 03:51:14,000
[APPLAUSE]

7078
03:52:01,000 --> 03:52:06,000

YEAH.

7079
03:52:13,000 --> 03:52:15,000
NOMI, YOU GOT
TWO MINUTES.

7080
03:52:15,000 --> 03:52:17,000

CHANGE
INTO A RED WIG.

7081
03:52:17,000 --> 03:52:22,000
I GOT
YOUR COSTUME.

7082
03:52:22,000 --> 03:52:23,000
NOMI.

7083
03:52:23,000 --> 03:52:24,000
NOMI.

7084
03:52:24,000 --> 03:52:25,000
SLIP THIS ON.

7085
03:52:25,000 --> 03:52:27,000
DID I DO O.K.?

7086
03:52:27,000 --> 03:52:28,000
YEAH. YOU NE.

7087
03:52:28,000 --> 03:52:30,000
LEG EXTENSION NEEDS WORK.

7088
03:52:30,000 --> 03:52:32,000

EIGHT STEPS ON THE SWEEP,
NOT SIX.

7089
03:52:32,000 --> 03:52:34,000

WE'LL WORK TORROW.
BE HERE AT NOO

7090
03:52:34,000 --> 03:52:37,000

PUT THIS ON.EPS ON THE SWEEP,
YOU'RE DONE.SIX.

7091
03:52:37,000 --> 03:52:39,000
YAY!

7092
03:52:39,000 --> 03:52:41,000

YAY!

7093
03:52:41,000 --> 03:52:44,000
I DIDN'T FALL.