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Good evening everyone
but he had come out on

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a wintery night in spring what that will
call the order of the city council meeting

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for Monday April ninth two thousand and
eighteen we are honored to have the fire

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Explorer Post five eighty going to come
forward and lead us in the pledge this

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evening.

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As

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a nation. Thank

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you very much appreciate it. In case

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of an emergency we request that you please
exit this room move toward the main

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entrance exit the building through the
front doors walk to the empty lot on the

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south side the parking area wait there for
further instructions well call place all

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council members are present except council
member Wolf and I was announced so our

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third item consideration and action on

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a proposed resolution in commendation of
Jimmy Hoffa is more than thirty one years

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of service to the city of Janesville its
final resolution number two thousand eight

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hundred fifteen thirty resolution number
two zero one eight national one five three

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zero whereas Jimmy hole for juniors
retiring from City of Janesville employment

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after having diligently serve the people
of the city of Janesville in the community

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for thirty one years retiring as

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a deputy police chief with the genes will
police department and whereas during

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Jimmy hope for juniors employment with the
city of Janesville he provided exemplary

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professional service and then demonstrated
conscientious devotion to the duties of

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his position which he performed with
skill and ability sincerity honesty and

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dedication and where is Jimmy hope for
JR began his employment with the city of

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Janesville as

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a police officer with the James will police
department and whereas Jimmy hope for

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Jr was involved in

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a variety of assignments during his career
including field training officer. Police

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Sergeant patrol division Sims instructor
police sergeant Street Crimes Division

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Lieutenant patrol division
SWAT team commander and

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a member of the swim team Jimmy also received
Division employee of the Year in one

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thousand nine hundred three the Chiefs Award
of Excellence in two thousand and six

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chiefs commendations in one thousand nine
hundred to two thousand and seven and two

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thousand and fourteen and the meritorious
service my yoke Award in two thousand and

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seventeen and whereas it is desired that
such commendable service to the city of

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genes will be properly
recognized Now therefore be

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a resolve that the people of the city of
genes will through the city council to

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express are grateful appreciation to Jimmy
hope for Jr for his thirty one years of

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oil public service thank you const member
William moved to adopt our resolution

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number twenty eight hundred fifteen
thirty so I could get a motion in

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a second by consummate Williams and consummate
MacGruber another discussion see now

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please vote. That's unanimous
should be. Tom was that

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he would have voted part two if he was
here and we have bowed out if you want to

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step forward const member
Williams has recognition for you.

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Thank you very much I don't have

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a lot to say I would like to express. Deep
appreciation I have from all the support

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that the city council has given my
department over the years I want to publicly

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thank Chief more for all the opportunities
that he's given me during my career. And

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what an honor it's been to serve the citizens
of Janesville for thirty one years my

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wife and I Kathleen chose to make this our
home town thirty one years ago and it

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was it was the best decision we've ever
made so thanks for everyone's support and I

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want to leave you with the
understanding that you have

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a solid police department that I'm very
proud to have served with and I think

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they'll serve you well in the future
so thank you again thank you.

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Enjoy your retirement consideration
action proclaiming April fifteenth to the

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twenty first two thousand and eighteen
as a volunteer recognition week in

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a city of Janesville resolution number
two zero one eight dash one five one six

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a resolution proclaiming April fifteenth
or twenty one twenty eighteen is volunteer

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recognition week in the city of Janesville
whereas volunteerism in bodies the

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spirit of giving and spirit of growth and
whereas National Volunteer Week was first

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pope proclaimed by President Nixon in one
nine hundred seventy four and has been

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recognized annually in mid to late April
and whereas National Volunteer Week is

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a time to recognize the efforts of
volunteers and emphasized the benefits of

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volunteerism both for the volunteer and the
greater communities they serve whereas

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the city of Janesville estimates over
six hundred volunteers helped the city

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function throughout the year and where
as volunteers provide an invaluable

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contribution to the city community by
lending their time talent and support to

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improve the city in countless ways and
where as city of Janesville volunteers

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include counseling committee members
friends groups neighborhood group members

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senior center volunteers recreation program
volunteers and many more. And whereas

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volunteers contribute to the well being
of fellow residents visitors and the

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welfare of all our citizens by giving
your time and energy without desire of

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recognition compensation or personal gain
accepting an ever increasing important

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role as our community strives
to meet the needs of

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a changing demographic Now therefore be it
Resolved That the Common Council of the

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city of Janesville recognizes the week of
April fifteenth through twenty one twenty

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eighteen as volunteer recognition week in
the city of Janesville for the purpose of

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demonstrating the city's appreciation for
the efforts of volunteers who serve the

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city of Janesville and encourage the
residents of the city to become more

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knowledgeable about the importance of
volunteers and their role in the community

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thank you that's my MacGruber I've moved
resolution number twenty eighteen fifteen

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sixteen recognizing April fifteenth
through the twenty first two thousand and

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eighteen as

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a volunteer recognition week in the city
of genes building so I can get I'm washing

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my council member group or seconded by
council member feral Please vote and also

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patches unanimously and

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a comment I just think it's so important
that everybody in the room everybody in

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the audience take the time to think about
opportunities where they can give back to

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their community having had to the distinct
privilege and honor of leading one of

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the largest volunteer organizations in the
health care systems across the state of

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Wisconsin with. Fourteen hundred
volunteers. I recognize the

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importance and the contribution
that volunteers make on

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a day by day basis if we as

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a city would not recognize the fact that
our volunteers are so important we come to

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a realization during our budget deliberations
of the fact that we could not support

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the efforts in the activities on a
eight basis that our volunteers make

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a world of difference in on

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a day by day basis so I wholeheartedly
endorse the idea of recognizing our

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volunteers within the city
of Janesville they make

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a difference that most people don't see
but some of us who do really appreciate

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I'm proud of our volunteers and everything
that we can do to be supportive of them

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is where I want to be as we
go forward I think that's

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a paralyzing thank you just like
to read a brief passage from

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a paper from the United Nations is called
The Power of volunteers M I think it

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states a very well by some as

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a basic expression of human relationships
it is about people's need to participate

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in their societies and feel that they may
add or to others we strongly believe that

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the social relationships intrinsic to
volunteer work are critical to individual

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community wellbeing Ethyl F.O.'s
of volunteerism is imputes with

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failures such as solitary represents prosody
mutual trust belonging and empowerment

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all of which contributes significantly to
the quality of life. I also believe they

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state it better than I could but our
volunteers in this city do contribute to the

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quality of life in this city
we have many volunteers.

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Tears For organizations
such as wheels wheels.

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Different organizations the boys
or girls that we could not have

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these organizations nonprofits succeed
with the volunteer of them so I wouldn't

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encourage you all you could think about
where you could volunteer and sure you it's

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well worth the effort thank you thank you
I do believe for the manager for you to

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give us the details there is

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a volunteer recognition event happening
next week also trying to remember the date

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but there is not next week it's the following
allowing So what's that twenty six

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There we go four o'clock right
here volunteer recognition program

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a city associated that for the past three
or four years and we're glad to do that

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as the Council members of already mentioned
you know we rely on over six hundred

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volunteers to keep the city operations
go on greatly appreciated we look for to

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recognizing that on the twenty sixth thank
you and attendance tonight to get out

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resolution a copy of this banning
any president of the and C.E.O.

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Of the United Way and also dept Hielan
foundation director of us at Sam if you want

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to come forward we'll present
this to both of you.

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I want to start by saying thank you to the
council and for the city for recognizing

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the importance of volunteers I
have the great joy of being

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a volunteer as well as working with several
volunteers at St Mary's Hospital it's

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an honor and we could not do we do for
our mission or for the city volunteers

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and they point out that this whole room is
filled with amazing volunteers so thank

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you for the opportunity to be here I would
also add our deep appreciation to the

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genes will city council for your support
and recognition of National Volunteer Week

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I would also extend

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a sincere gratitude to the city manager
for I take in the city of jeans Bill team

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for partnering with United Way to provide

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a free volunteer connectivity platform
called Get connected which helps amazing

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citizens throughout our
community connect to

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a bailable volunteer opportunities and
so we're greatly appreciative for that

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partnership as well thanks for the opportunity
to inspire applaud and celebrate the

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spirit of generosity and volunteer ism
that is ever present in this beautiful

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community we call home
thank you thank you both

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thank. Our next

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item is the public comment section on
the agenda. For items not requiring

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a public hearing and on matters which can
be affected by council action once again

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please state your name and address
speakers have four minutes to make their

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comments and Wisconsin open meetings law
limits the City Council's ability to

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respond to speakers I think time already
knows he's no one on the list. Tipler

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thank you for nineteen so four months
three. Volunteers more take care of these

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maps are coming coming out
here we talked about. You know

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a lot of things Carol. They said through
the community it just automatically

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happens but equalize value on the railroad
in the state of Wisconsin there's no

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volunteer group that's going to get that
on. Unless the city council says hey you

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know there's

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a great great amount of value in that union
union. Well you know this if they can

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Wisconsin Southern cocoa and if you
figure they're talking will build

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a six billion dollar railroad here not
too long ago that came on and hooked up

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around Chicago and bought another fifty
miles on the other end Well we had

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a good working railroad scenario that the
worthless hath And you know any good

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business model usually tries to make

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a little money on top of that so it's
sixty you know most most most businesses

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would say we ought to get sixty percent
of that six billion dollars you don't

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equalize value you know it's great
to get half a million dollars for

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a hundred year plant but
Hundred Years Panama Canal

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a hundred years ago turned over we own the
land up underneath the record state of

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Wisconsin that's all part land so if we
look at Marquette we're the two could join

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that's one place they probably have joined
in the past. Normally you wouldn't say

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ology some Has it done and it's working
it's working but on the other side the

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Union Pacific Scott's biggest hurdle train
yard in the United States and if you

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figure you can connect the two Boy that's
quite the connection I mean that's

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a huge model in the law to
equalize the value of G.M.

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Help build that helped put that together.
Because we made the most cars in the

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United States second probably in north of
North America in North America and so the

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idea that if the city council is to want
and they'd have to ask for the aid because

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nobody from the city staff colleagues
or is going to say we're going to float

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a mammal Etchells equalised. Doesn't
happen won't happen thanks thank you

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Patrick Gaspar.

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Good evening many many Casper I live it
to go to Sinclair street in Janesville

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Wisconsin and I'm here to express my support
and desire that the Council supports

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resolution number twenty eight hundred
fifteen twenty five creating the executive

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director position both reckon he has to
destruct society and the City of Janesville

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historian. You are received

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a letter from me you know my position and
you know why I believe it's an important

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thing the relationship between
the city and the rock on

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a historical society has gotten progressively
stronger over the past few years and

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I believe that this is the next step the
next gen genesis of that relationship

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solidifying the actual connection between
the two. One thing I'd like to remind

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everyone is that the full Rock County
Historical Society board voted unanimously to

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support this the full board voted unanimously
to support this now also has the

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support of the city administration and I
would also like to say that you know that

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if you read through the resolution it also
provides an easy out for both entities

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with no cost at any time both of them if
they see feel that this isn't working that

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they can step away from it at any
time thank you thank you. Done your.

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Dangour seven hundred twenty six Holly
Dr I'm here tonight on behalf of the

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downtown Janesville Inc and personally as
well and the current president of D.J.

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And we're asking you tonight to prove item
number two hundred new business of your

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agenda the consideration in action to
award contract for bid Schedule C.

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Two thousand eight hundred twelve town
square River Walk and dead street parking

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the A big part of the current
revitalization Hopefully you all of been

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a part of it or felt it of downtown is in
part because of the strong involvement

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commitment of the city and the public
private initiative is the only way that we

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can truly succeed in making our downtown

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a destination and it is working it's been
thirty four years that I've been back in

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Janesville and I've spent all but three
with the business in the downtown and I

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have never witnessed this level of passion
energy and momentum and the changes are

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amazing in their exciting. If you haven't
been down to visit please make it

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a point to come down park your car and walk
around or better yet come to one of the

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many events we have planned this year for
the downtown. I've said it before and

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I'll continue to say it that
is that because there is

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a huge momentum in downtown and we need to
continue to make it happen and that can

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only continue by working together and if
you really want to make my day today's my

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birthday and it would be the best birthday
present ever if you could pass this for

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me thank you. Happy birthday.

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Larry Squire.

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Larry Squire four two four five
wills Ireland and down here to have

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a vote of encouragement for that same
article twenty eighteen dash twelve for the

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town square River Walk and the
DA street parking area this is

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a continuation of the strategic plan that
you've approved in our moving forward the

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Clement that's been made with all the great
work that took place last year around

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the town square you see what's going on
right now with the interactive water

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feature starting to come out of the ground
and the activity going there so this

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next logical step that's in the strategic
plan of taking care of River Street in

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the parking that's
associated with it is just

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a continuation of make sure the momentum
that Deb talked about continues again I

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keep seeing it even though we haven't seen
spring yet there's more people downtown

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than ever before and the significant impact
that the city is having is just very

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very evident and encourage you to continue
this path that you're on with the

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strategic plan and the items that are very
key to making sure that it progresses in

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the way that it's planned and moves forward
in ways that we can continue to support

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that through forward Janesville
on other areas that make sure

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a rise really takes place for the heart
of downtown thank you thank you. Ward.

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Hello everyone my name is Deb wood and I
live at seventeen South Atwood Avenue here

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in Janesville and I am here regarding
the final resolution number twenty

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eighteen dash fifteen twenty five and my
husband and I unfortunately is not able to

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be here this evening but we have reached
out to the council members and expressed

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some opinion in regard to this resolution
and I'd like to start by saying I've

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been a member of the Rock County

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a store equal society for fifteen years
my husband and I joined when we came to

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Janesville sore very much supportive and
enthusiastic about that society over the

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years my husband has served on the executive
board and has also filled in as an

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acting executive director I've served as

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a volunteer in supporter attending several
of the fund raising events and offering

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our home for the public sector during
one of the house tour events as

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a fundraiser. The process for recruitment
of our past executive director has proven

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very successful without prior city
involvement it was all done through an

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established recruiting process that
proved very successful in hiring

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a very capable executive director that
has served the past five years that was

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Mike Reuter and that society was able
to offer the position to an excellent

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candidate was brought society and to be
respectfully performing five zero one c

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three. I was surprised to see the announcement
in Saturday's gives that listing the

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consent agenda item twenty eighteen fifteen
twenty five we have had only forty

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eight hours to react to respond to this
news unfortunately many citizens and our

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C.H.S.

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Members are not aware that this is happening
this is not at all been in the public

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domain and a lot of people are a little

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a disgruntled and disappointed and
surprised by all of that but again that's

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something that society has done I understand
that you the council are not really

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responsible or accountable for
the actions of the R.C.A.

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Just trustees but at the same time I
appreciate this is an opportunity for me to be

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able to express my concerns. I understand
that or I have handouts did you guys

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all those of my husband went through the
documents that was online that was sent

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out publicly and he highlighted several
things that we have questions about that

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there are answers to yet that I think it
would be premature to make any approval or

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proposed to approve the US and I have these
all listed rather than read everything

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the main questions were wondering is
with some of the accountability we are

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wondering why

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a lot of this hasn't been already established
and why now you're wanting to have it

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approved what so many questions
yet also the articles of R C H S

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incorporation would need to be amended
maybe by laws and again I think the

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membership should be somewhat involved with
this rather than this being taken place

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without the notification
or without transparency in

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a conclusions part of your document
it talks about the city having

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a closer greater dominion and
management of our C.H.S.

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But I guess we're wondering why. The city
needs to close or what that's meant by

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greater dominion and
management of our C.H.S.

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Of Fort Point is whereas the city manager
and designees will draft the appropriate

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funding agreement we're wondering why
this hasn't been accomplished to date if

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they're ready to go with this type of an
agreement fifth point the manager will

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initially the city manager hire an employee
one Timothy Moss for the newly created

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city position we've kind of were
wondering why this hasn't been open for

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recruitment considering the opportunity
would probably be of interest to several

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very qualified applicants of point six city
of Janesville diversity statement does

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include that as public servants
we believe everyone has

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a right to be treated with dignity and
respect and to this and we will diligent

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recruit and retain the most talented employees
we recruitment seems to be important

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point seven There doesn't seem to be any
reference to city historian duties so

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we're wondering what that would be and
then to summarize in light of these

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unanswered questions I request that you
defeat the final resolution number twenty

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eighteen fifteen twenty five and not enter
on such an agreement with the R C H S So

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thank you very much thank you then Adler.

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Thank you I'm here I'm done Adler
eighteen zero two Waterford drive here in

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Janesville and I'm here also to talk about
the proposed agreement between the stork

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will society and the city. To
begin with my wife Judy and I are

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a long time members of the Historical Society
and we have great interest in history

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we've written two books about Janesville.
In Arcadia Publishing's postcard history

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series and the other in the images of
America series and in order to get

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access to the excellent. Extensive
collection of old photographs

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that the society has we agreed to give half
the royalties on the second book to the

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to the society we love the society but we
believe that this agreement as now stands

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is a mistake we also believe it was

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a mistake for the board to propose this
agreement without the knowledge or input of

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its members and allied groups like The Rock
County Geological Society. Those of us

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who know about it read about it in in
Saturday's Gazette I realize that you have

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to mostly consider the effects that to
dream it has on the city but I believe the

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precedent that it sets to allow other
non-profits to approach you for similar

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agreements is one that you probably really
don't want but I hope that you will also

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give some consideration to the potentially
facts on this story will society which

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for seventy years has been

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a great asset to the city and to Rock
County this agreement would place

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a county nonprofit agency under the control
of the city government and the wording

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in the suit Greenman as I read it today
says the director of the Rock County

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Historical Society would report only to
the city manager and not at all for the

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rock colony Historical Society board and
would allow the city manager quote in his

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sole discretion unquote to set the pay
and benefit levels which the historical

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society would be quite had to pay.
In Section nine of the agreed is

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a resolution at says and again I quote The
city manager will be solely responsible

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for deciding the current and future job
descriptions duties responsibilities

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obligations privileges criteria and all
other matters concerning the position when

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and how to recruit for the incumbent's
replacement and all other decisions and

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determinations concerning the position this
will be to district exclusion of their

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Akande Historical Society and the board
of directors of the rock odious store

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society who may provide guidance but will
have no determinative say or decision

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making authority and any of these matters
I'm sorry but I do not believe that it's

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good for

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a Historical Society board to let someone
else decide who is going to operate the

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society and how in the nonprofit
world appearances matter

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a great deal when you ask people for their
money and time I served on the society's

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archives and collections
committee for over ten years and

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a frequent discussion was about appearances
to what degree did Rock County citizens

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really see us as a county
agency instead of as

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a strictly Janesville one disagreement
I believe with the city administrative

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control of of the R.C.H.

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US director would give people much more
reason to wonder for these reasons I think

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they use agreement as I'm

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a state for both the city of Janesville
and The Rock County Historical Society I

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urge you to vote NO THANK YOU THANK YOU.

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Kathleen Holford.

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And next is Deb and I'm sorry can't
read your last name eleven thirty five.

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I think it's due

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Mitchell Benson.

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Good afternoon everyone my name's Mitchell
Benson I met twenty five thirty Cherokee

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road Jane's gold currently
president of Rock on

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a historical society and also past chair
for Janesville I'm here to ask you for

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your support and approval of resolution
twenty eighteen fifteen twenty five back in

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generator we met with the city leadership
to discuss the potential of creating this

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position city manager Freitag made sure
we understood there's obviously there's

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a Wisconsin open meeting laws and public
record requirements that need to be put

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into consideration so after reading this
internally we put together pros and cons

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and did

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a review and typically with something new
there is always on Owens and issues to be

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resolved as you know we are proposing

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a two year pilot program the right kind
of historical society leadership has

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budgeted and funding for
this position so it's

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a cost neutral to our city financials
we recognize that this is an at will

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employment and there is no employment
agreement between the city of Janesville and

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the rock Ownie Historical Society this
position would in fact to the city manager

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or

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a designee and quite frankly. I know that
several people of voiced their concerns tonight

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about this arrangement and potentially
taking away from some of the in independents

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as we have as an organization quite frankly
I feel strongly that it's just the

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contrary I believe that this gives us

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a strong seat at the
table we're able to have

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a strong communication link with the city
management. We believe that this change

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will better allow us to attract and
retain strong leadership for with the

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competitive compensation and benefit
package our executive committee board.

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Has reviewed in anonymously approved moving
forward with this alignment with the

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city like the city RACANIELLO
Sturrock a society has developed

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a strategic plan I just passed
out copies to use you can take

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a look at it and quite frankly we're
really excited about developing

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a partnership stronger even though it's
strong today with the city leadership and

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urge to advance that strategic plan for
it as you all know that this is quite an

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asset that the city owns and quite frankly
it only seems logical to me to align the

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leadership position directly to the
city management team because of the

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relationship that's there in the fact
that the property is owned by the city so

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we're we're here today to ask for
your consideration in support. As we

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said before our executive group
and board members. Wholeheartedly

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support this unanimously voted I do recognize
comments that was made earlier today

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the fact that you know that they're just
reading about in the paper but quite

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frankly when you take

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a step back and walk through the cycle
that we went through this is not something

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that we could go public with until we
had the blessing of the city so you got

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a little bit of

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a chicken and egg going on you know
it's difficult for us to go public with

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something when we don't have it in hand.
So I respect their comments I get it quite

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frankly I was thinking here sitting could
we have done something differently and

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quite frankly I don't know what it would
have been we need to take our step forward

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but together and then there are unknown
star things that need to get that it this

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is something new and something new also
requires to walk through the channels build

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the relationship up and then if
it doesn't work out we'll take

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a step back and regroup So again thank
you for your consideration Thank you

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Judy Adler

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Judy Adler eighteen zero two Waterford
Dr I'm here tonight to speak to you know

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opposition to item thirteen on the consent
agenda creating the position of City of

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story and executive director of the rock
and historical society on the face of it

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and everybody in it and many people
I've talked to have said oh that's

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a good idea it is an interesting way of
solving the problem of lack of benefits for

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the executive director of the society but
it may be creating some complications

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R.C.A. Just as

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a county wide nonprofit organization
it's an affiliated society under state

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statutes forty four zero three with the
Wisconsin Historical Society they don't

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property in the city.
Separate from that it has

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a lease agreement with the city for the
operation of the Lincoln Thompson house

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museum under that link lease agreement the
city pays some of the operating costs in

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the annual budget this
proposal is to create

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a joint possession reporting to the city
manager that would make any negotiations

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with R.C.A.

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Just complicated the executive director
at this proposed agreement would be

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required to act in the best interests
of the city not necessarily the best

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interests of the society the question of
benefits such as health insurance and

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retirement is one of one that plagues
all nonprofits instead of R.C.A.

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Just seeking an easy fix for its executive
director and parent that acclaim none of

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its other employees maybe it should be
working with other non-profits in the area

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to seek a solution for all
employees of nonprofits and find

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a way to to provide those profit benefits
to their employees not just the executive

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director now if the city council agrees
approves suspicion and the agreement are

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you ready to entertain similar requests
from other non-profits rotary gardens

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Humane Society Boy Scouts C.V.T.

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Do you want all of those executive
directors street come city employees with

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benefits do you really want city staff to
spend their time supervising an outside

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agency over which you have no other authority
or maybe even any interest under this

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proposal the city manager would have the
ability to set the salary and determine

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any other expenses which should be
allocated to that position with our C.H.S.

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Paying the bill usually it's he who
pays the piper calls the tune but not

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in this case. For these and many other
reasons I feel that approving this

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resolution in creating this position is
not in the best interests of the city and

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certainly not in the best
interests of the rock on

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a Historical Society thank you thank you.

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Jimmy hole for I know he's all of us here

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Scott. Elizabeth

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John's willing and I apologize
I'm sure got there on.

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A list with jobs we had four zero zero
eight Skyview I wish to comment on the

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01:11:28,38 --> 01:11:31,98
proposal to make the executive director
of the Rock County Historical Society

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01:11:32,19 --> 01:11:35,87
a city employee supervised by
the city manager I've been

437
01:11:35,88 --> 01:11:40,04
a member of the Society for about twenty
years and has been an active volunteer

438
01:11:40,62 --> 01:11:41,29
this is come as

439
01:11:41,30 --> 01:11:46,79
a surprise. I'm concerned that this is
moving very quickly with little time to

440
01:11:46,80 --> 01:11:51,74
consider the potential ramifications and
with little to no communication with the

441
01:11:51,75 --> 01:11:53,27
membership of our C.H.S.

442
01:11:53,58 --> 01:11:56,42
As others have said very clearly this is

443
01:11:56,43 --> 01:12:02,05
a County Historical Society
and I am concerned about the.

444
01:12:03,56 --> 01:12:05,13
Potential message of making this

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01:12:05,14 --> 01:12:11,73
a city position. And so I urge the council
to take more time to consider this

446
01:12:11,74 --> 01:12:18,58
proposal and to. Either table it or
vote no today thank you thank you

447
01:12:20,67 --> 01:12:21,28
Pat TOM

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01:12:33,19 --> 01:12:36,79
Hi My name is Pat Tallman I live at
five thirty five Logan Street here in

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01:12:36,80 --> 01:12:40,45
Janesville and I also am speaking to
the proposal about the right kind of

450
01:12:40,46 --> 01:12:43,91
historical society executive
director. I've been

451
01:12:43,92 --> 01:12:48,03
a long time member and volunteer I've been
volunteered for thirty five years at the

452
01:12:48,04 --> 01:12:51,48
wreck of the Historical Society
I'm a former board member I'm

453
01:12:51,49 --> 01:12:57,01
a past president of the board and I'm in
strong opposition to this proposal I'm of

454
01:12:57,33 --> 01:13:02,98
I'm opposed for two major reasons first I
believe that the board of directors is

455
01:13:02,99 --> 01:13:08,18
abdicating their responsibility to the
society by handing over the selection and

456
01:13:08,19 --> 01:13:13,82
supervision of the executive
director this in my mind is for

457
01:13:13,83 --> 01:13:20,51
a nonprofit the board's primary duty is
and their delegating this responsibility

458
01:13:20,55 --> 01:13:20,89
to

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01:13:21,22 --> 01:13:27,61
a third party. But worse than that the
society is then expected to pay for

460
01:13:27,62 --> 01:13:29,26
decisions that they are not

461
01:13:29,27 --> 01:13:34,67
a party to in that scenario control
of the society and the control of the

462
01:13:34,68 --> 01:13:40,48
figurehead of the society is lost Let me
give you an analogy let's say you need

463
01:13:40,49 --> 01:13:45,66
a new car now there are many issues to
consider right what model should you get

464
01:13:45,67 --> 01:13:49,73
should you buy your lease what features do
you want what insurance fits your needs

465
01:13:49,77 --> 01:13:55,06
lots of questions it's OK now somebody comes
along and says hey I'll make this easy

466
01:13:55,07 --> 01:13:59,44
for you I'll choose your car arrange
your financing determine when and where

467
01:13:59,45 --> 01:14:05,46
maintenance is done and all you have to
do is pay the bills OK Well at first this

468
01:14:05,47 --> 01:14:10,86
may sound appealing because it's easy but
then you soon realize that you have no

469
01:14:10,87 --> 01:14:17,64
control over the situation but in the
end you have to pay the price follow

470
01:14:17,65 --> 01:14:23,64
through literally and figuratively you
lose all control and that's what we are

471
01:14:23,65 --> 01:14:29,18
asking the reckoning Historical Society
to do with this proposal my second major

472
01:14:29,19 --> 01:14:34,22
concern is with the process
as a member of the R.C. H.S.

473
01:14:34,27 --> 01:14:38,78
I was not informed of this change as
everybody else mentioned I read it in

474
01:14:38,79 --> 01:14:44,83
Saturday's paper. And yet my recollection
of the articles of incorporation of the

475
01:14:44,84 --> 01:14:45,27
R.C.

476
01:14:45,28 --> 01:14:51,66
Chess are that any changes to the bylaws
must be voted on by the members this vote

477
01:14:51,67 --> 01:14:57,22
has to be communicated to the members prior
to the vote actually taking place so

478
01:14:57,23 --> 01:15:02,10
why in that go to the membership before
going to the city council that seems the

479
01:15:02,11 --> 01:15:06,99
logical first step to manage without first
convincing your membership that the

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01:15:07,00 --> 01:15:12,05
proposal that the proposal has an appearance
that you're ramrodding this decision

481
01:15:12,06 --> 01:15:17,15
down their throat and you're doing that
to the people that need to sustain the

482
01:15:17,16 --> 01:15:23,06
organization through volunteers and
financial support so while I have other

483
01:15:23,07 --> 01:15:28,58
concerns those two are the most important
I strongly encourage the city council to

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01:15:28,59 --> 01:15:34,09
reject this proposal or at least allow
the society more time for discussion and

485
01:15:34,10 --> 01:15:40,21
reflection and as for myself I can assure
the historical society that I will no

486
01:15:40,22 --> 01:15:45,08
longer support the organization if this
proposal is an active THANK YOU THANK YOU

487
01:15:51,84 --> 01:15:58,66
kits the elders shoes. Thank you

488
01:16:02,74 --> 01:16:09,54
thank you my name is Kathy. I live at
fifty eight fifty north west road I'm

489
01:16:09,55 --> 01:16:15,14
a road and I am here to speak on the
resolution that everyone else needs to be

490
01:16:15,15 --> 01:16:19,47
speaking on I wanted you to know that
I've been serving on the black county as

491
01:16:19,48 --> 01:16:25,96
Torkel Society board for seven years now
and I also volunteer week I volunteer as

492
01:16:25,97 --> 01:16:32,07
the volunteer an internship recruiter for
the society I really believe that it's

493
01:16:32,08 --> 01:16:38,59
time for us to be creative problem solvers.
The this resolution really allows us to

494
01:16:38,60 --> 01:16:45,09
do this the historical society is funding
the position and both the city and the

495
01:16:45,10 --> 01:16:50,90
Rock County Historical Society can withdraw
after twenty four months this is an

496
01:16:50,91 --> 01:16:55,96
opportunity for the city and
the society to just stablish

497
01:16:55,100 --> 01:17:01,22
a progressive partnership
which lends to a security and

498
01:17:01,23 --> 01:17:06,89
a benefit unlike that of
any other non-profits as

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01:17:06,90 --> 01:17:10,60
a candidate considers the pros and cons of

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01:17:10,61 --> 01:17:15,94
a position that this partnership
allows then it becomes

501
01:17:16,61 --> 01:17:23,19
a very attractive recruiting point so I
think you because it is not easy to fill

502
01:17:23,20 --> 01:17:29,94
the shoes of Mike Ryder and that is
exactly what we want to do right now so I

503
01:17:29,95 --> 01:17:34,20
appreciate your giving me the time to
express my point of view Thank you.

504
01:17:36,98 --> 01:17:37,50
Bill Mears.

505
01:17:48,31 --> 01:17:53,35
Good evening Bill Mears twenty one Forest
Park Boulevard and I'll just change the

506
01:17:53,36 --> 01:17:54,01
subject just

507
01:17:54,02 --> 01:18:00,46
a moment. Commercial development companies
asked me to appear on their behalf to

508
01:18:00,47 --> 01:18:05,49
thank the city for making application
to the Wisconsin Economic Development

509
01:18:05,69 --> 01:18:12,09
Corporation for the idle sites redevelopment
plan which was put in place back into

510
01:18:12,20 --> 01:18:18,13
twenty thirteen long before the buyers
were on the scene but the grateful that

511
01:18:18,14 --> 01:18:23,04
they're able to take advantage of it they've
been working closely with your stuff

512
01:18:23,05 --> 01:18:27,87
providing the requisite information to
make the application for the funding and

513
01:18:27,88 --> 01:18:32,87
they're thankful for their hard work and
dedication shown by the city and its staff

514
01:18:32,88 --> 01:18:33,98
in making opportunity

515
01:18:33,99 --> 01:18:39,05
a reality so I want to make sure that you
were aware that we were in the spirit

516
01:18:39,06 --> 01:18:43,33
they're here and as they're marking
representative on here as well so thanks so

517
01:18:43,34 --> 01:18:46,85
much thank you Sharon Homer

518
01:18:55,74 --> 01:18:56,54
Phillips our

519
01:19:04,59 --> 01:19:07,88
good evening from. My
cheat sheet here from

520
01:19:07,89 --> 01:19:13,39
a man who many of the points I've already
been made on address pardon name and I'm

521
01:19:13,40 --> 01:19:15,58
sorry Philip shower
twelve eighteen will grab

522
01:19:15,59 --> 01:19:21,84
a new agenda. And I would
urge you to also vote against

523
01:19:21,85 --> 01:19:25,52
a resolution as opposed
to create a city a story

524
01:19:25,53 --> 01:19:28,72
a story and tie in with their iconic start

525
01:19:28,73 --> 01:19:34,20
a society. But I want you to know
where I come from I I've been

526
01:19:34,21 --> 01:19:38,91
a volunteer I volunteered at this historical
site before we moved. What it was down

527
01:19:38,92 --> 01:19:41,65
at the armory and I've also served with

528
01:19:41,66 --> 01:19:43,87
a lot of my colleagues
here on the board for

529
01:19:43,88 --> 01:19:50,60
a number of. A number of terms and
as past president also we've also

530
01:19:51,37 --> 01:19:57,62
but. What prompted me to come this evening
was I was out of town on business and

531
01:19:57,89 --> 01:20:04,75
when I. Started reviewing the newspaper I
hadn't hadn't read Saturdays this notice

532
01:20:04,76 --> 01:20:06,95
came up I hadn't heard
anything about it I'm

533
01:20:06,96 --> 01:20:10,86
a member of the society have volunteered
their work there forever I thought that

534
01:20:10,87 --> 01:20:16,56
was pretty strange Well then I went to
my emails and I thought wow. So I'm

535
01:20:16,57 --> 01:20:22,70
wondering why are we fast tracking this
what's the what's the rush. I think that

536
01:20:23,21 --> 01:20:25,72
it's unfair to the society members as

537
01:20:25,73 --> 01:20:31,16
a whole for not getting any notification
or very little notification of this I

538
01:20:31,17 --> 01:20:31,54
talked to

539
01:20:31,55 --> 01:20:37,45
a number of council members today and.
Was surprised to learn that most of the

540
01:20:37,46 --> 01:20:41,47
cultural members didn't know what know much
about this either until they got their

541
01:20:41,48 --> 01:20:48,41
packet out Wednesday morning so I
think. In the with the idea of

542
01:20:48,45 --> 01:20:55,41
having. Informed consent I feel the council
this is being rushed I urge you to

543
01:20:55,42 --> 01:21:01,90
vote no and let this let the let the people
of the of the city that have supported

544
01:21:01,91 --> 01:21:07,19
it through their taxes also have some input
on that on this along with the members

545
01:21:07,20 --> 01:21:12,85
of their accounting circle
Society thank you. Jim lever

546
01:21:20,60 --> 01:21:26,41
Jim lever sixteen the new part Ave I'm here
on behalf of right now and the co-chair

547
01:21:26,42 --> 01:21:32,64
right now and I wanted to thank you for
your past support the rise movement

548
01:21:33,32 --> 01:21:39,44
and also ask for your support for the River
Street and street contracts. And I want

549
01:21:39,45 --> 01:21:39,88
to just give you

550
01:21:39,89 --> 01:21:43,73
a little update as it was previously
stated things are going well at the water

551
01:21:43,74 --> 01:21:48,92
feature or on schedule. If we have approval
tonight for these contracts we will

552
01:21:48,93 --> 01:21:53,55
then order for the fabrication for the rest
of the features that arise is going to

553
01:21:53,56 --> 01:21:59,87
be providing for River Street and
street areas and we plan to start the

554
01:22:00,43 --> 01:22:04,43
with the approval we would start that
construction of the Overlook feature and plan

555
01:22:04,44 --> 01:22:09,64
to have that ready. By June twenty sixth
which is the same date for the water

556
01:22:09,65 --> 01:22:14,35
features will be ready for the century and
race so I hope you can support that work

557
01:22:14,36 --> 01:22:20,90
cited about moving forward and we thank
you for your support thank you church

558
01:22:20,91 --> 01:22:27,26
Stumpf Oakley Ryan.

559
01:22:33,00 --> 01:22:37,64
My Oakley Ryan one thousand East Milwaukee
Street and my husband wants to know

560
01:22:37,65 --> 01:22:44,53
where I'm going off on Monday nights so
will you belts for me. I'm here to to speak

561
01:22:44,54 --> 01:22:49,16
on Resolution twenty thousand nine hundred
twenty five for us which we've had

562
01:22:49,17 --> 01:22:53,29
a wonderful dialogue and I've been taking
lots of notes and I usually have prepared

563
01:22:53,30 --> 01:22:57,42
statements to respect your time but I
didn't have time to do that although

564
01:22:57,43 --> 01:23:01,48
a lot of work has been done I'm really here
representing Whitten house which is my

565
01:23:01,49 --> 01:23:06,67
consulting organization and I think most
of you I know and most of you know I spend

566
01:23:06,68 --> 01:23:08,81
probably about eighty
percent of my time on

567
01:23:08,82 --> 01:23:12,72
a pro bono basis working on community
organizations and the R.C. H.S.

568
01:23:12,73 --> 01:23:19,08
Is one of them I actually my husband and I
are our donors volunteers and I've been

569
01:23:19,09 --> 01:23:23,76
a strategic advisor working with many of
the people in this room who spoken and I

570
01:23:23,77 --> 01:23:28,91
actually helped lead lead the search for
Mike router in the pro bono basis and I

571
01:23:28,92 --> 01:23:32,66
think councilman Connelly
was was on that and it was

572
01:23:32,67 --> 01:23:38,69
a wonderful search and we were very lucky
we were very lucky indeed you don't find

573
01:23:38,70 --> 01:23:42,11
someone like Mike at that salary
level that we got him at that was

574
01:23:42,12 --> 01:23:47,70
a point in time in and I've been in many
not for profit searches where that doesn't

575
01:23:47,71 --> 01:23:50,58
come up and you have to walk
away because you can't find

576
01:23:50,59 --> 01:23:56,57
a candidate but I do there are pros
and cons have been laid out and

577
01:23:56,96 --> 01:24:02,08
innovative new ideas aren't just black
and white night holy respect that many

578
01:24:02,18 --> 01:24:08,27
things have been but I do support this and
I want to explain to you why. And the I

579
01:24:08,33 --> 01:24:10,54
have been advising our C.H.S.

580
01:24:10,75 --> 01:24:14,66
As an advisor not a board member on
this process and I think they've taken

581
01:24:14,98 --> 01:24:18,20
a good amount of time the last couple
months in conversations with the city

582
01:24:18,21 --> 01:24:24,04
thoughtful dialogue and I value that I
think the relationship I think this is

583
01:24:24,05 --> 01:24:29,15
opportunistic and I will tell you that you
know six years from now might not work

584
01:24:29,16 --> 01:24:31,70
but right now based on
circumstances and I do all

585
01:24:31,95 --> 01:24:36,39
a lot of work with organizations on strategy
and it's about being adaptive to the

586
01:24:36,40 --> 01:24:41,87
circumstances of the time and I think that
is the situation but the relationship

587
01:24:41,88 --> 01:24:48,19
that the city has had has really
grown. I would not recommend this if

588
01:24:48,58 --> 01:24:50,76
R.C.A. Just did not manage

589
01:24:50,80 --> 01:24:55,97
a significant asset at the city so if not
for profit I serve on the board of of

590
01:24:55,98 --> 01:24:57,40
other not for profits that J.

591
01:24:57,41 --> 01:25:02,21
PAC came to you but I would not advise that
because you don't manage nor do you own

592
01:25:02,22 --> 01:25:04,12
that building but are C.H.S.

593
01:25:04,13 --> 01:25:05,95
His main asset is

594
01:25:05,96 --> 01:25:11,35
a city asset that it manages So that
relationship makes it unique both of the

595
01:25:11,36 --> 01:25:18,24
organizations have exemplary strategic
plans. When I work with organizations I

596
01:25:18,25 --> 01:25:23,11
always say you need to make your
organization not dependent on

597
01:25:23,12 --> 01:25:28,49
a person right because at any given day
as we've seen by tragedies something can

598
01:25:28,50 --> 01:25:33,60
happen to us right and an organization has
to institutionalize what it wants to do

599
01:25:33,91 --> 01:25:37,23
and that's what I love about what this
city has done and you all have done your

600
01:25:37,24 --> 01:25:39,93
strategic plan and R.C.H.

601
01:25:39,94 --> 01:25:42,96
US has done that and I'm glad that they
brought the plan to you this is their

602
01:25:42,97 --> 01:25:49,06
second plan. And it's well thought out
and in the dialogues that have happened

603
01:25:49,07 --> 01:25:50,50
between the city and our C.H.S.

604
01:25:50,54 --> 01:25:54,96
It has been front and center is this is
the plan that needs to be executed and

605
01:25:54,97 --> 01:26:01,69
execute is going to be that he word
here. If you open the point there

606
01:26:01,70 --> 01:26:02,17
is

607
01:26:02,52 --> 01:26:08,64
a picture of my router and when this was done
I actually advised my that I didn't think

608
01:26:08,65 --> 01:26:08,93
that was

609
01:26:08,94 --> 01:26:13,92
a wise idea because plans are about
organizations not people and Mike has left

610
01:26:13,96 --> 01:26:19,01
a significant hole in our C H S and I will
speak plainly to you about that I work

611
01:26:19,02 --> 01:26:25,24
with many boards and and
there they are have faced

612
01:26:25,58 --> 01:26:31,97
turnover we lost an amazing volunteer
archivist who'd been there at twenty odd

613
01:26:31,98 --> 01:26:38,65
years and she moved and retired. We've
also lost the will so I believe that right

614
01:26:38,66 --> 01:26:40,67
now what our C.H.S.

615
01:26:40,68 --> 01:26:46,56
Is really looking for is managerial
expertise to help them implement

616
01:26:46,60 --> 01:26:50,84
a plan at the end of the day when I looked
at was funding because if you fall of

617
01:26:50,85 --> 01:26:54,12
the funding and someone said that
there is control and so from

618
01:26:54,13 --> 01:26:56,66
a governance perspective
the fact that R.C.H.

619
01:26:56,67 --> 01:26:58,37
Is paying for this and it's

620
01:26:58,41 --> 01:27:04,75
a sad. Sipek timeframe gives me the
confidence that that will be OK I worked in

621
01:27:04,88 --> 01:27:09,26
many hospitals where twenty
five percent of the budget of

622
01:27:09,27 --> 01:27:13,88
a hospital is managed by another organization
earmarks attack so to the point when

623
01:27:13,89 --> 01:27:18,82
you're in an operating room in the clinical
equipment that's keeping you alive may

624
01:27:18,83 --> 01:27:24,06
not be managed by that hospital but by era
by clinical engineering so in today's

625
01:27:24,07 --> 01:27:29,63
world the governance and partnerships
and relationships matrix organizations

626
01:27:29,76 --> 01:27:34,96
agreements between parties that have
mutual interests and synergistic talents

627
01:27:35,12 --> 01:27:39,00
happen all the time what I
view this resolution as is

628
01:27:39,01 --> 01:27:43,59
a letter of intent stating that this is
the intent of the plan that this that

629
01:27:43,63 --> 01:27:48,90
position would be funded by their managed
by the city and that these things then

630
01:27:48,91 --> 01:27:51,39
would need to be worked out so
when business parlance it's

631
01:27:51,40 --> 01:27:55,21
a letter of intent I absolutely
articulated that need to have

632
01:27:55,22 --> 01:28:00,48
a fine time frame so with this I think Mr
Benson said it well you've got to start

633
01:28:00,49 --> 01:28:04,15
somewhere I don't think to have gone to
the membership and had this conversation

634
01:28:04,19 --> 01:28:05,13
first this is

635
01:28:05,14 --> 01:28:09,91
a hiring decision those things are strategic
and if they take too long and are open

636
01:28:09,92 --> 01:28:15,25
and public can have their own downside so
I think this is the nice first best up

637
01:28:15,29 --> 01:28:19,64
letter of intent and I think the board has
actually thought very carefully about it

638
01:28:20,97 --> 01:28:27,96
thank you that's all that's all so I want
to came and let you know which is to do

639
01:28:27,97 --> 01:28:28,06
it.

640
01:28:35,86 --> 01:28:41,18
Andrea fireman three thirty nine South
Locust Street citizen Association for rights

641
01:28:41,19 --> 01:28:48,05
and dignity. Want to speak to the
people on South River that are having

642
01:28:48,06 --> 01:28:54,36
to be double billed to put in yet another
new sidewalk for the festival street

643
01:28:54,77 --> 01:28:59,68
upgrade public improvement being billed to
private individual citizens even though

644
01:28:59,69 --> 01:29:03,15
there's a good district now and they're
getting double bill for that and it's

645
01:29:03,16 --> 01:29:08,17
a tiff district and getting billed for that
supposedly the snow removal is going to

646
01:29:08,18 --> 01:29:12,42
improve but it didn't same ole same ole
shove it in the front door of your business

647
01:29:12,43 --> 01:29:16,22
and how people climb over the snow bank
out of their car to try to get their

648
01:29:16,23 --> 01:29:20,64
business but we've got four neighborhoods
the east side the west side the south

649
01:29:20,65 --> 01:29:25,76
side and the historic hub and the historic
I live in the fourth ward we do not have

650
01:29:25,77 --> 01:29:31,06
our two designated council members from
our area we don't have our seven Ward

651
01:29:31,07 --> 01:29:35,83
supervisors we are seven Ward supervisors
elected have not appointed ten black

652
01:29:35,84 --> 01:29:37,88
happens each so we've got

653
01:29:37,89 --> 01:29:44,69
a situation of taxation without
representation but there's more bad news. By

654
01:29:45,11 --> 01:29:52,11
making the businesses no longer vehicular
accessibility meaning cars can't drive up

655
01:29:52,12 --> 01:29:57,29
and parking for your business anymore maybe
the city owes you some eminent domain

656
01:29:57,30 --> 01:30:02,95
compensation for dropping the accessibility
of your business to your customers

657
01:30:03,62 --> 01:30:07,35
there is an appeal process that's supposed
to be called the Citizen board of

658
01:30:07,36 --> 01:30:13,89
appeals if you look up the siddhis the city
ordinance. The zoning variance board is

659
01:30:13,90 --> 01:30:17,64
what it's called but it refers back to
the Wisconsin state statutes and this

660
01:30:17,65 --> 01:30:23,69
citizen board does have the complete one
hundred percent amazing authority to

661
01:30:23,70 --> 01:30:29,68
overturn anything any city employee is
trying to demand that you. Demand from your

662
01:30:30,23 --> 01:30:34,17
kitchen the wall that they have there and
if they turn you down or if the city

663
01:30:34,18 --> 01:30:38,24
employees prevent you from being on
the agenda for this board at least

664
01:30:38,25 --> 01:30:41,61
a judge can overturn that later at
your first stop you can also write

665
01:30:41,62 --> 01:30:47,60
a letter of grievance to the council members
and serve it on the city employees.

666
01:30:48,75 --> 01:30:53,45
Stating what you believe it's going to cost
you not only in terms of having to put

667
01:30:53,46 --> 01:30:53,68
in

668
01:30:53,69 --> 01:30:59,44
a public improvement out of your own wallet
but also in terms of how it's going to

669
01:30:59,45 --> 01:31:02,91
affect your sales and your
revenue streams as a as

670
01:31:02,92 --> 01:31:07,86
a business owner so it would be great
if we could get real representation and

671
01:31:07,87 --> 01:31:13,60
chance all upgraded from eighteen nineteen
thirteen or nine hundred eighteen we had

672
01:31:13,61 --> 01:31:17,72
seven city council members back then we had
seven wards and we had one city council

673
01:31:17,73 --> 01:31:22,93
member voted from each ward and those days
are gone so we need to fix that THANK

674
01:31:22,94 --> 01:31:26,20
YOU SO MUCH THANK YOU anyone else.

675
01:31:40,51 --> 01:31:42,46
Gentleman of Norm white so I'm of

676
01:31:43,22 --> 01:31:48,07
a local person survivor here for many many
years and I don't know if we're talking

677
01:31:48,22 --> 01:31:49,77
about the five The result is not

678
01:31:49,78 --> 01:31:56,42
a request is that under general. Consent
item Yes that's kind of what I'd like to

679
01:31:56,43 --> 01:32:01,66
comment if I could OK. This also bought

680
01:32:01,67 --> 01:32:04,50
a from St Louis However they made

681
01:32:04,52 --> 01:32:09,17
a bid for the project and I'll go on record
first and I'm against the City applying

682
01:32:09,18 --> 01:32:14,39
for five hundred thousand dollars to help
us and I got to wonder why we're just

683
01:32:14,41 --> 01:32:21,12
million plus five hundred thousand when
the recipients of this purchase have not

684
01:32:21,13 --> 01:32:23,75
asked for the money I'm in a
matter of five hundred dollars

685
01:32:23,75 --> 01:32:29,89
a big state fund out there evidently you
can request funds from it and I say if we

686
01:32:29,89 --> 01:32:36,05
don't need it well don't let somebody
else use it who can really use it

687
01:32:36,91 --> 01:32:43,51
is there but just because there I don't
think we should go and grab it. So I guess

688
01:32:43,52 --> 01:32:47,34
I'm really saying is why the city
jumping in before the buyers are making

689
01:32:47,35 --> 01:32:52,78
a request and if they need the five hundred
thousand dollars I would say let him

690
01:32:52,79 --> 01:32:56,21
come and ask for the five hundred dollars
just don't go and hand it to him and say

691
01:32:56,22 --> 01:33:03,15
here guys we're good people we're going
to give you some more goal. They bought

692
01:33:03,16 --> 01:33:07,14
the project cordon paper for nine million
dollars you're going to sell it for

693
01:33:07,15 --> 01:33:11,89
fifteen million dollars just what I read
in the paper today that's basically why

694
01:33:11,90 --> 01:33:17,33
I'm here I think between one million and
fifty million there is enough to pull off

695
01:33:17,70 --> 01:33:20,88
that they don't need another five hundred
thousand dollars which might be better

696
01:33:20,89 --> 01:33:27,69
used somewhere else. They evidently have

697
01:33:27,70 --> 01:33:32,57
a good record of their past purchases and
things they've done this is not their

698
01:33:32,58 --> 01:33:36,53
first project they're not the
newcomer to this field and isn't it

699
01:33:36,54 --> 01:33:40,83
a more money I would say let him ask for
it before we just jump in and handed to

700
01:33:40,84 --> 01:33:45,25
him thank you for your consideration as
to why I took you let the court know your

701
01:33:45,34 --> 01:33:52,27
address. Ninety nine can Edward
short bitter in Wisconsin thank you

702
01:33:53,89 --> 01:34:00,61
anyone else. Will close the public comment
and move to the next item which is the

703
01:34:00,62 --> 01:34:05,24
city manager update Mr Frank good evening
council members ladies and gentlemen just

704
01:34:05,25 --> 01:34:09,48
some things to keep everybody up to speed
on what's going on in the city first of

705
01:34:09,49 --> 01:34:15,42
all good news down at our wastewater utility
first of all that group great group of

706
01:34:15,43 --> 01:34:16,99
workers down there run

707
01:34:17,00 --> 01:34:22,82
a great operation but they've been recognized
with. A safety award and that's the

708
01:34:22,83 --> 01:34:27,48
Burke safety award it's provided are
recognized by the central state's water

709
01:34:27,49 --> 01:34:33,54
environmental Association and what it
does is acknowledge is active in AFIC and

710
01:34:33,55 --> 01:34:39,34
effective safety programs in municipal waste
water treatment facilities I would be

711
01:34:39,35 --> 01:34:44,72
honest. If I didn't tell everybody you
know in two thousand and fourteen we were

712
01:34:44,73 --> 01:34:49,02
kind of sporadic across the city with our
safety programs and one of the things

713
01:34:49,03 --> 01:34:55,82
that are our water utility and wastewater
utility director Dave bots embraced was

714
01:34:55,83 --> 01:34:59,89
the idea of let's create some safety
programs in both the water utility and

715
01:34:59,90 --> 01:35:04,03
wastewater utility and make them first
class across the organization and they

716
01:35:04,82 --> 01:35:08,86
really ran with it and the wastewater
treatment plant has just done some superb

717
01:35:08,87 --> 01:35:13,86
things down there and so we're very pleased
to be to receive the recognition for

718
01:35:13,87 --> 01:35:18,39
their great efforts over the last three
years so that's good news the next thing

719
01:35:18,67 --> 01:35:24,03
just for everybody's information April third
want to get some information from the

720
01:35:24,04 --> 01:35:28,15
clerk out there but first of all nine
thousand thirty three Janesville voters

721
01:35:28,16 --> 01:35:32,55
participated in the election last Tuesday
which represented about twenty nine

722
01:35:32,56 --> 01:35:37,55
percent of our registered voters so
just some data points there for your

723
01:35:37,56 --> 01:35:42,23
information the other thing I want to point
out is. One of the things that our fire

724
01:35:42,24 --> 01:35:46,50
department has struggled with over the
last well probably ten years plus and that

725
01:35:46,51 --> 01:35:48,61
is maintaining a

726
01:35:48,94 --> 01:35:52,85
a be ready fleet of vehicles in our
fire department and we've taken

727
01:35:52,86 --> 01:35:59,58
a very active role much with the. It's will
support help in purchasing and updating

728
01:35:59,59 --> 01:36:05,45
the equipment and so talking about fire
engines talking about and talking about our

729
01:36:05,46 --> 01:36:09,87
specialty equipment one of the good news
stories is that we just received two new

730
01:36:09,88 --> 01:36:13,47
ambulances you'll see I'm driving
around the city they look

731
01:36:13,48 --> 01:36:15,06
a little bit different than
the rest of them but it's

732
01:36:15,07 --> 01:36:17,80
a standard ambulance but the
good news is I think this is

733
01:36:17,81 --> 01:36:21,60
a great story is first of all by executing

734
01:36:21,61 --> 01:36:25,75
a joint purchase with Edgerton and
their fire department so they bought

735
01:36:26,12 --> 01:36:27,50
a couple vehicles we bought

736
01:36:27,51 --> 01:36:31,48
a couple by doing that joint purchase
we were able to save eighteen thousand

737
01:36:31,49 --> 01:36:36,84
dollars on the overall cost of the ambulances
as if we had bought them on our own

738
01:36:37,34 --> 01:36:40,91
Second of all with the council's approval
back in two thousand and sixteen for the

739
01:36:40,92 --> 01:36:44,92
seventeen budget some of the money that
we put aside or would that we receive the

740
01:36:44,93 --> 01:36:49,06
revenues that we receive for you nervous
realty ambulance transfer program that we

741
01:36:49,07 --> 01:36:55,81
run between hospitals and major locations.
Some of that money gets put away into

742
01:36:55,82 --> 01:37:01,12
a special revenue fund to specifically
purchase equipment and so in this case we

743
01:37:01,13 --> 01:37:04,61
were able to take seventy eight thousand
dollars of that money that was generated

744
01:37:04,83 --> 01:37:09,50
in two thousand and seventeen and put it
towards this purchase and so that saved on

745
01:37:09,51 --> 01:37:13,29
eventual borrowing So another good news
story and then really this is the one

746
01:37:13,30 --> 01:37:18,78
that's the key and that is with the purchase
of these two vehicles we now have six

747
01:37:18,79 --> 01:37:24,86
total ambulances four primary frontline
ambulances one of each of the stations and

748
01:37:24,87 --> 01:37:31,68
then the two reserves that are all operating
within their life expectancy of seven

749
01:37:31,69 --> 01:37:36,27
years that's the life expectancy for an
for an ambulance and so that's the first

750
01:37:36,28 --> 01:37:38,16
time that's occurred
since I've been here so

751
01:37:38,17 --> 01:37:42,33
a great new story and again we appreciate
the counsel support on doing right by our

752
01:37:42,34 --> 01:37:46,26
firefighters our community and certainly
making sure we maintain good equipment.

753
01:37:48,47 --> 01:37:52,93
Next if you're a homeowner in jeans
Phil you would have received

754
01:37:53,25 --> 01:37:58,95
a Parks and Recreation spring and summer
guide those were sent out to all of the

755
01:37:58,96 --> 01:38:04,02
residents is in Janesville But if you did
not get one and you would like one if you

756
01:38:04,03 --> 01:38:10,92
go to our website. Which is. That Janesville
that the US slash activity guy that

757
01:38:10,93 --> 01:38:14,88
will take you to the link there's the front
cover but you can page through there

758
01:38:14,89 --> 01:38:19,49
and see all the programs that are associated
with the aquatics programming adult

759
01:38:20,09 --> 01:38:26,71
youth and senior programming certainly any
indoor ice programming with cetera et

760
01:38:26,72 --> 01:38:28,14
cetera et cetera and so just

761
01:38:28,15 --> 01:38:31,98
a great document that our recreation
division puts out and so if you have any

762
01:38:31,99 --> 01:38:36,74
questions about that stop on down to the
recreation division on the first floor of

763
01:38:36,75 --> 01:38:41,16
City Hall there right in the Wall Street
entrance or you can call it some five five

764
01:38:41,17 --> 01:38:47,69
three zero zero three. Next moving on
to some upcoming events highlight just

765
01:38:47,98 --> 01:38:53,27
a litany of things here so April eleventh
bus stop locations feedback session at

766
01:38:53,28 --> 01:38:53,91
the G.T.S.

767
01:38:53,92 --> 01:38:58,53
Transfer Center downtown from four thirty
to six thirty you know essentially

768
01:38:58,54 --> 01:39:04,01
getting. Feedback from the community on our
bus stops in the right locations do we

769
01:39:04,02 --> 01:39:08,98
need to adjust them or are they good
where they're at April seventeenth city

770
01:39:08,99 --> 01:39:12,69
council organizational meeting that's
right here at the central fire station at

771
01:39:12,70 --> 01:39:17,68
seven thirty in the morning pending approval
by the council later in the meeting

772
01:39:18,32 --> 01:39:19,66
April twentieth Make

773
01:39:19,67 --> 01:39:24,42
a Difference Day here in the city of Gene's
fill. We do that in cooperation with

774
01:39:24,64 --> 01:39:27,63
downtown Janesville
incorporated and also U.W.

775
01:39:27,64 --> 01:39:31,01
Whitewater will have two hundred to three
hundred students that descend upon

776
01:39:31,02 --> 01:39:35,53
several sites one of those is not the right
County Historical campus specifically

777
01:39:35,54 --> 01:39:40,56
at the Lincoln Tallman house we've been
working with Mr Moss to coordinate that

778
01:39:40,57 --> 01:39:45,31
cleanup effort April twentieth jeans
will fire department recruit recruit

779
01:39:45,32 --> 01:39:46,90
graduation that's a J.

780
01:39:46,91 --> 01:39:49,52
Pack from four to five pm And so we have

781
01:39:49,82 --> 01:39:53,98
a handful of recruits that will be there
that will graduate some promotions that

782
01:39:53,99 --> 01:39:58,10
will be recognized and some awards inside
the fire department so we invite the

783
01:39:58,11 --> 01:40:04,66
public to attend that. April twenty first
move in on Earth Day celebration that's

784
01:40:04,67 --> 01:40:09,21
out of order Botanical Gardens from ten
am to two pm April twenty second is the

785
01:40:09,22 --> 01:40:14,94
canine beg for an egg Palmer Park West
pavilion beginning at one pm and April

786
01:40:14,95 --> 01:40:17,07
twenty sixth is our volunteer appreciation

787
01:40:17,08 --> 01:40:21,37
a vent here at Central Fire Station goes
from four to five as mentioned previously

788
01:40:21,78 --> 01:40:25,75
And then lastly April twenty eighth
Rock River rumble tournaments at Dawson

789
01:40:25,76 --> 01:40:30,83
softball complex that begins at nine am and
as always there are lots of ways to get

790
01:40:30,84 --> 01:40:34,58
information about what's going on in the
city I encourage people to stay connected

791
01:40:34,59 --> 01:40:39,60
with the community and specifically the
city programming note first of all

792
01:40:39,64 --> 01:40:42,16
highlighted up there we do run a T.V.

793
01:40:42,17 --> 01:40:43,33
Program. I'm it's

794
01:40:43,34 --> 01:40:48,45
a monthly program that's shown multiple
times over the course of the month on

795
01:40:48,49 --> 01:40:51,02
charter Channel nine ninety
four which is our T.V.

796
01:40:51,03 --> 01:40:56,92
Channel and this month we're showcasing
the senior center and all that goes on at

797
01:40:56,93 --> 01:41:01,37
the Senior Center the next bullet on their
encourage you to sign up to receive

798
01:41:01,41 --> 01:41:06,90
e-mails press releases emergency notifications
things like that if you go to our

799
01:41:06,91 --> 01:41:12,91
website slash e-mail lists sign up now
the rest will push information to you as

800
01:41:12,92 --> 01:41:18,25
it's becomes available you can always contact
us via phone at some five five three

801
01:41:18,26 --> 01:41:22,69
thousand which rings in the clerk's office
or seven five five three one seven seven

802
01:41:22,70 --> 01:41:26,97
which rings in my office you can like us
on Facebook follow us on Twitter receive

803
01:41:26,98 --> 01:41:32,08
emergency updates notifications from the
J.P.G. Via Nick so if you scan the Q.R.

804
01:41:32,09 --> 01:41:36,27
Code it'll take it to the e-mail list
sign up point and then as always lots of

805
01:41:36,28 --> 01:41:43,12
information on our city
website. To us and I would

806
01:41:43,13 --> 01:41:44,23
remind everybody that

807
01:41:44,66 --> 01:41:51,30
a link to our modern business infomercial
is in the spotlight currently on that

808
01:41:51,31 --> 01:41:55,21
home page and so I encourage you to check
that out any questions that's all I have

809
01:41:55,22 --> 01:42:00,59
this evening could any questions council
member apparel. Just one question for the

810
01:42:00,60 --> 01:42:06,20
city manager your marriage should be
graduation for the prior to Per will it put

811
01:42:06,91 --> 01:42:13,86
the cone. Under where were the
relationship to your budget could you say

812
01:42:13,87 --> 01:42:20,79
that again. Personnel Yeah right as far
as personnel where will we be as far

813
01:42:20,83 --> 01:42:26,70
as our. Actual head cone as compared to our
budget real I think will be very close

814
01:42:26,71 --> 01:42:30,89
to the full utilization ninety seven
is our authorization inside the fire

815
01:42:30,90 --> 01:42:35,39
department and those Grad those people
that will be graduating would have brought

816
01:42:35,40 --> 01:42:39,43
us up if we've had any resignations and
I'm not thinking that we have that would

817
01:42:39,44 --> 01:42:43,51
throw us off but right now I think that
will take us to either one hundred percent

818
01:42:43,52 --> 01:42:50,10
or close to one hundred percent with those
graduates. Anywhere else thank you very

819
01:42:50,11 --> 01:42:56,47
much for your always informative next
item will be consent items and I'll be

820
01:42:56,48 --> 01:43:00,52
reading them off here the majority of them
and then asked by other council members

821
01:43:00,53 --> 01:43:07,35
to be polled So let me just take. A moment
here and explain how consent items were

822
01:43:08,23 --> 01:43:13,52
there are things that are not statutory
statutorily required that the city council

823
01:43:14,18 --> 01:43:19,87
discuss. Old business or new business but
they're all items that are very important

824
01:43:19,87 --> 01:43:25,03
to the city and so any one or more council
members can ask these to be taken up and

825
01:43:25,04 --> 01:43:31,06
discussed in in more detail and that's
what's happening this evening so first one

826
01:43:31,08 --> 01:43:35,06
of the city council meeting minutes our
regular city council meeting on March

827
01:43:35,08 --> 01:43:38,99
twenty sixth two thousand and eighteen and
also the close session on March twenty

828
01:43:39,01 --> 01:43:44,59
sixth two thousand and eighteen for approval
only not relief. Item Number eight.

829
01:43:45,45 --> 01:43:46,76
Consideration in action on

830
01:43:46,77 --> 01:43:51,21
a proposed resolution authorizing the city
of Jane's Altos medical and request to

831
01:43:51,22 --> 01:43:55,98
Wisconsin nabbing Economic Development
Corporation for up to five hundred thousand

832
01:43:55,99 --> 01:44:00,64
dollars in grant funding to their idle
site redevelopment program and enter into

833
01:44:00,65 --> 01:44:05,50
a development agreement with Jane
L L C owner of the former G.M.

834
01:44:05,51 --> 01:44:10,02
Plant at one thousand General Motors
drive changed to establish the city of

835
01:44:10,03 --> 01:44:10,72
Janesville as

836
01:44:10,73 --> 01:44:15,85
a pass through entity with site access
during the project period that was final

837
01:44:15,86 --> 01:44:19,57
resolution number two thousand and eighteen
fifteen eighteen that will be polled

838
01:44:19,58 --> 01:44:23,35
for consent and Item number nine
consideration and action on

839
01:44:23,36 --> 01:44:27,92
a proposed resolution authorizing the city
against Altos emetic grant request to

840
01:44:27,93 --> 01:44:32,23
there was constant Economic Development
Corporation for up to one hundred fifty

841
01:44:32,24 --> 01:44:36,84
thousand grant funding through their
brownfield sites assessment grant program to

842
01:44:36,85 --> 01:44:37,13
submit

843
01:44:37,14 --> 01:44:40,82
a grant requested it was constant apartment
of natural resources for up to three

844
01:44:40,98 --> 01:44:45,61
thirty thousand grant funding through
their Wisconsin assessment money moneys

845
01:44:45,62 --> 01:44:47,47
program and enter into

846
01:44:47,48 --> 01:44:50,90
a development agreement with Hendrix
commercial properties L.L.C.

847
01:44:51,18 --> 01:44:55,32
To provide the city of Gainesville with
site access during the project period and

848
01:44:55,33 --> 01:44:59,10
its final resolution number two thousand
eight hundred fifteen twenty eight and has

849
01:44:59,11 --> 01:45:04,67
also been polled for further discussion
number ten consideration in action on

850
01:45:04,68 --> 01:45:08,49
a proposed resolution authorizing the
city manager to proceed with the sale of

851
01:45:08,50 --> 01:45:12,94
surplus property located at
thirteen thirty east home street by

852
01:45:12,95 --> 01:45:16,75
a resolution number two thousand eight
hundred fifteen twenty that has been asked

853
01:45:16,76 --> 01:45:21,31
to be polled for further review item
number eleven consideration action on

854
01:45:21,32 --> 01:45:26,31
a proposed resolution authorizing the sale
of five six eight South Main Street fire

855
01:45:26,32 --> 01:45:30,77
resolution number two thousand eight
hundred fifteen twenty seven that also has

856
01:45:30,78 --> 01:45:36,51
been asked to be further discussion item
number twelve consideration and action on

857
01:45:36,52 --> 01:45:37,99
a proposed resolution granting

858
01:45:38,00 --> 01:45:42,99
a temporary limited easement burning cross
at eleven North Main Street affecting

859
01:45:43,00 --> 01:45:46,87
city on property one that.
Teen North Main Street by

860
01:45:46,88 --> 01:45:51,40
a resolution number two thousand eight
hundred fifteen twenty six that one has not

861
01:45:51,44 --> 01:45:56,02
been polled prefer their discussion and
item number thirteen consideration in

862
01:45:56,03 --> 01:45:56,51
action on

863
01:45:56,52 --> 01:46:01,14
a proposed resolution creating the
position of city historian and executive

864
01:46:01,15 --> 01:46:03,97
director of the Rock County
Historical Society by

865
01:46:03,98 --> 01:46:08,17
a resolution number two thousand eight
hundred fifteen twenty five and that has

866
01:46:08,18 --> 01:46:14,81
also been asked to hold for further
discussion So in short items number seven the

867
01:46:14,82 --> 01:46:18,67
city council meeting minutes and item
number twelve consideration as opposed

868
01:46:18,68 --> 01:46:24,64
resolution passed by consent see no other
position to it also because of the

869
01:46:24,65 --> 01:46:30,03
turnout that we had and the number of people
that had talked about this we will be

870
01:46:30,04 --> 01:46:36,04
moving item number thirteen to the top of
the list. In reflection of your time and

871
01:46:36,05 --> 01:46:39,27
interest. And that is
consideration in action on

872
01:46:39,28 --> 01:46:43,07
a proposed resolution creating the
position of city historian and executive

873
01:46:43,08 --> 01:46:46,37
director of the Rock County
Historical Society by

874
01:46:46,38 --> 01:46:50,74
a resolution number two thousand eight
hundred fifteen twenty five Is there someone

875
01:46:50,75 --> 01:46:52,86
from the city to. Give

876
01:46:52,86 --> 01:46:56,58
a background on that we certainly are they
able to answer any questions that the

877
01:46:56,60 --> 01:46:58,71
council may have been so assistant H.R.

878
01:46:58,72 --> 01:46:59,61
Director terrace on

879
01:46:59,61 --> 01:47:03,68
a check is your wonderful thank you so much
so I think we have that council members

880
01:47:03,70 --> 01:47:03,81
for

881
01:47:03,82 --> 01:47:08,82
a long consummate Williams others interested
in this one so I'll let you guys lead

882
01:47:08,83 --> 01:47:10,33
a discussion or start

883
01:47:10,35 --> 01:47:16,05
a discussion one. Will be willing to start

884
01:47:16,06 --> 01:47:21,94
a discussion. Is the proposals as.

885
01:47:22,79 --> 01:47:24,56
This individual would be

886
01:47:24,93 --> 01:47:31,30
a city employee with full benefits is
that correct what they did their person

887
01:47:31,31 --> 01:47:34,92
negotiate like pick a
shim pay or I guess I'm

888
01:47:34,93 --> 01:47:41,01
a little confused on RB cation pay schedule
for salaried individuals is that in

889
01:47:41,02 --> 01:47:42,41
many companies It's rather than

890
01:47:42,42 --> 01:47:48,83
a goal it's negotiated that would
there be agreed upon if this would

891
01:47:48,84 --> 01:47:53,10
pants that this person would be subject
to the administrative and personnel

892
01:47:53,11 --> 01:47:57,93
policies in regards to our vacation sick
time benefits but that item could be

893
01:47:57,94 --> 01:48:03,70
specifically spelled out and look
at the documents OK thank you

894
01:48:06,07 --> 01:48:08,96
you know something that's
all I am thinking of

895
01:48:08,97 --> 01:48:15,30
a way on and

896
01:48:16,40 --> 01:48:21,04
under this agreement then
everything that there is

897
01:48:21,32 --> 01:48:25,88
a guess but at the other way there is
no cost to the city for this director's

898
01:48:25,93 --> 01:48:30,100
position with the Historical Society
correct it would because not everything is

899
01:48:31,01 --> 01:48:33,34
paid for by the historical society.

900
01:48:37,83 --> 01:48:44,81
Is there. Remain there is one place and
here were talks about an office for the

901
01:48:44,82 --> 01:48:50,86
director is that office at city hall or
is that Office been designated where that

902
01:48:50,87 --> 01:48:56,34
would be I mean it's not officially been
designated but that's certainly something

903
01:48:56,35 --> 01:49:02,64
that could be further defined.
And will the historical

904
01:49:02,65 --> 01:49:09,16
society be paying also for
the time. Either the city

905
01:49:09,17 --> 01:49:15,57
manager or the city managers designee
to supervise the director those are

906
01:49:15,58 --> 01:49:22,19
considered soft costs those are hard to
quantify so I don't think those specific

907
01:49:22,20 --> 01:49:28,90
costs when it comes to supervision training
evaluations would be factored in OK So

908
01:49:28,99 --> 01:49:35,85
that would be paid for by
taxpayers OK That's all I

909
01:49:35,86 --> 01:49:40,95
have at this point. That's homework
over the handful of questions.

910
01:49:42,84 --> 01:49:46,80
And I've got to look to some of the notes
that I took during the public comment

911
01:49:46,81 --> 01:49:50,58
portion of the conversation
we had. There's

912
01:49:50,59 --> 01:49:56,01
a lot of open ended things within the
agreement as it's currently drafted

913
01:49:57,03 --> 01:50:02,54
and I recognize that some people would
suggest that that means that this is

914
01:50:02,56 --> 01:50:07,06
a initial draft of a memorandum
of understanding as opposed to

915
01:50:07,07 --> 01:50:08,54
a hard agreement and that there's

916
01:50:08,56 --> 01:50:15,15
a lot of details yet to be worked out.
With the city historian slash executive

917
01:50:15,15 --> 01:50:21,55
director. Be recruited
through the existing cities

918
01:50:21,56 --> 01:50:26,88
administrative policies as it relates to
recruitment of administrative personnel or

919
01:50:26,89 --> 01:50:27,10
is it

920
01:50:27,11 --> 01:50:32,92
a foregone conclusion that the existing
interim executive director at The Rock County

921
01:50:32,92 --> 01:50:39,31
historic society would automatically assume
that position subject to whatever final

922
01:50:39,31 --> 01:50:46,04
details are worked out in relation to.
Whatever final agreement actually gets

923
01:50:46,09 --> 01:50:51,45
drafted were my premature with my question
because we haven't gotten to that point

924
01:50:51,46 --> 01:50:57,59
of of figuring out how this relationship
could potentially work correct that's

925
01:50:57,59 --> 01:51:02,76
a two full array correct ultimately that
the person who would fill this position it

926
01:51:02,77 --> 01:51:07,16
would be an administrative procedure
administrative decision on who is who is

927
01:51:07,19 --> 01:51:13,50
selected to fill this position but that
person would be subject to the our personal

928
01:51:13,51 --> 01:51:16,68
policy which he would have
a he or she would have

929
01:51:16,69 --> 01:51:21,86
a six month introductory period at which
time they would be evaluated for their

930
01:51:21,87 --> 01:51:24,43
performance and of success is that

931
01:51:24,44 --> 01:51:29,83
a foregone conclusion that the existing
And I guess I need to clarify that to the

932
01:51:29,87 --> 01:51:35,17
interim executive director at the historic
society I would assume this position is

933
01:51:35,21 --> 01:51:40,73
city historian executive director. And I
do need to clarify if that position is

934
01:51:40,74 --> 01:51:44,58
interim at the historic society or has
it been permanently decided to be

935
01:51:44,59 --> 01:51:51,27
a. Selection of the historic society's board
of directors because that changes the

936
01:51:51,28 --> 01:51:56,49
context of how that agreement that's being
drafted actually gets put together so my

937
01:51:56,50 --> 01:52:02,98
question is. Is the interim executive
director still the interim executive director

938
01:52:02,99 --> 01:52:09,32
or is he the director of the historic society
and perhaps mention Mitch could he is

939
01:52:09,33 --> 01:52:11,21
now the director he has been hired on

940
01:52:11,22 --> 01:52:18,12
a full time basis OK is it contingent

941
01:52:18,13 --> 01:52:21,97
upon this agreement you need to be
like come on up make sure to the mike.

942
01:52:38,80 --> 01:52:39,03
As

943
01:52:39,04 --> 01:52:46,60
a stands today he serves as an interim
with contingency upon the vote

944
01:52:46,64 --> 01:52:53,53
of the Council today OK so
it's hard for. Me to be

945
01:52:53,54 --> 01:53:00,52
able to move forward with that from
Tim's perspective of not understanding

946
01:53:00,76 --> 01:53:07,64
what the wishes of the city are today so
that's it's that's where it's at OK so

947
01:53:08,39 --> 01:53:12,12
if I'm hearing you correctly he is still
the interim executive director he isn't

948
01:53:12,13 --> 01:53:17,72
been hasn't been appointed the executive
director so when this agreement is passed

949
01:53:17,73 --> 01:53:24,30
all timidly he would come into the cities
employment as an interim director or

950
01:53:24,31 --> 01:53:27,95
would he come into the cities implement
and that's one of the points of

951
01:53:27,96 --> 01:53:33,11
clarification that I really need yes
because quite honestly as it's currently

952
01:53:33,12 --> 01:53:39,96
structured. The city has the city
manager has the option of making him

953
01:53:39,99 --> 01:53:46,06
the. Executive director city historian
with or without any type of recruitment

954
01:53:46,06 --> 01:53:53,00
process. And his status
coming and is going to

955
01:53:53,01 --> 01:53:58,56
be determined by whatever the city
manager chooses to be the status of this

956
01:53:58,57 --> 01:54:01,60
individual as a city
employee correct that's

957
01:54:01,61 --> 01:54:06,69
a fair. Yeah there are certain months
on my part yes but we did just

958
01:54:06,70 --> 01:54:08,83
a point of clarification we did have

959
01:54:08,84 --> 01:54:15,70
a vote by our board that supported
moving forward with him

960
01:54:15,71 --> 01:54:22,12
into that position predicated upon the
approval of the C Evening with the proposal

961
01:54:22,13 --> 01:54:26,15
we have on the table so maybe
Terry you could comment for just

962
01:54:26,16 --> 01:54:30,84
a second and clarify for your model only
my purposes but for purposes of the

963
01:54:30,85 --> 01:54:35,78
audience how that recruitment
and selection process works.

964
01:54:37,75 --> 01:54:42,85
I know we have examples in precedent
whereby we've not gone through

965
01:54:42,86 --> 01:54:49,16
a formal recruitment process to vet
potential candidates for positions in the

966
01:54:49,17 --> 01:54:54,49
administrative fold of the city.
But we've also stablished

967
01:54:54,50 --> 01:55:00,84
a procedure that if it's chosen to be
followed we would follow that procedure which

968
01:55:00,85 --> 01:55:05,32
includes formal recruitment and vetting
of that particular candidate so it's an

969
01:55:05,33 --> 01:55:07,42
either or from

970
01:55:07,43 --> 01:55:12,52
a human resources perspective. For this
put to it I want to ask that question

971
01:55:12,53 --> 01:55:19,00
because it puts you at odds with where I
think I understand we're going on is there

972
01:55:19,01 --> 01:55:25,56
a need Mitch for the. Articles
of Incorporation of our

973
01:55:25,57 --> 01:55:26,17
C.H.S.

974
01:55:26,18 --> 01:55:30,45
To be modified to accommodate this particular
type of memorandum of understanding

975
01:55:30,46 --> 01:55:36,81
or Greenman which essentially takes day
to day control of the executive director

976
01:55:36,82 --> 01:55:41,18
out of the hands of the Executive
Committee of the R.C. H.S.

977
01:55:41,19 --> 01:55:47,66
In place is it under the auspices of the
city manager or his or her designee Yes

978
01:55:47,67 --> 01:55:52,79
our bylaws would need to be altered to
accommodate that what's the timeline in

979
01:55:52,80 --> 01:55:57,09
doing those sorts of
things. I don't see it as

980
01:55:57,10 --> 01:56:04,00
a significant modification I see is that
we can put that revision out for our board

981
01:56:04,01 --> 01:56:09,36
to review and to vote on what it
would take some amount of time

982
01:56:09,37 --> 01:56:11,24
a week ten days two weeks

983
01:56:11,25 --> 01:56:15,74
a month I don't know months I don't in
See see it that it would take more than

984
01:56:15,75 --> 01:56:21,22
a week. Do you see any potential
conflict of interest.

985
01:56:22,63 --> 01:56:28,44
Because the rock out of historic
society exists currently. With

986
01:56:28,45 --> 01:56:33,94
a management agreement that governs
operations of the historic society as it

987
01:56:33,95 --> 01:56:40,67
relates to the Tolman house property as
opposed to the balance of the properties

988
01:56:40,68 --> 01:56:42,72
that are owned and operated by R.C.A.

989
01:56:42,73 --> 01:56:49,47
Jess. If the proposed historian executive

990
01:56:49,48 --> 01:56:54,55
director is going to be leaving to go
she ations on that management agreement

991
01:56:54,56 --> 01:56:55,57
between R.C.H.

992
01:56:55,58 --> 01:57:01,55
Us and the city and that person is also
an employee of the city is that not

993
01:57:01,56 --> 01:57:04,14
a conflict of interest or
is a board if you come to

994
01:57:04,15 --> 01:57:07,98
a conclusion of how you're going to structure
those types of annual negotiations we

995
01:57:07,99 --> 01:57:10,16
have not that is something
that we need that's

996
01:57:10,17 --> 01:57:16,71
a detail that needs to get recognised dealt
with we we brought it up as far as A

997
01:57:17,53 --> 01:57:18,94
and I understand that there is

998
01:57:18,95 --> 01:57:25,45
a concern that that would need to get mapped
out and we recognize it. I want to go

999
01:57:25,46 --> 01:57:30,17
back to the idea of why this is not an open
recruitment but I think you pretty well

1000
01:57:30,18 --> 01:57:37,05
addressed that for me.
I think I understand

1001
01:57:37,06 --> 01:57:42,03
the the purpose that you're tempting to
accomplish with this particular type of

1002
01:57:42,04 --> 01:57:47,83
relationship has the historic relationship
between the historic society and the

1003
01:57:47,84 --> 01:57:54,16
City of Janesville under terms of the
management agreement that exists today been

1004
01:57:54,27 --> 01:58:00,18
bothersome troubles some that were
choir's this particular type of. Unique

1005
01:58:00,19 --> 01:58:06,75
agreement or looking outside the boxes as
people have suggested I don't believe so

1006
01:58:06,75 --> 01:58:13,41
. Councilman Gruber I really
think that. The ability of the

1007
01:58:13,74 --> 01:58:20,49
chains well and the.
Leverage that can be applied

1008
01:58:20,50 --> 01:58:24,90
to provide affordable benefits
is the main driver and.

1009
01:58:29,52 --> 01:58:30,83
The question that is kind of

1010
01:58:30,84 --> 01:58:35,25
a driving question how many employees
full time are there that exist currently

1011
01:58:35,26 --> 01:58:39,54
within the rock and historic
society employment. Deferred

1012
01:58:39,55 --> 01:58:45,88
a town where there's three full time
there's three full time was there any

1013
01:58:45,89 --> 01:58:49,03
consideration given to the I.R.S.

1014
01:58:49,04 --> 01:58:55,31
Requirement internal revenue service
requirement that desperate benefits not exist

1015
01:58:55,32 --> 01:59:00,57
within the employment structure when
you looked at the consideration of

1016
01:59:00,61 --> 01:59:07,59
transferring your lead full time
employee to city employment. And then

1017
01:59:07,60 --> 01:59:13,97
reimbursing the city for those costs. And
not affecting the benefit levels of the

1018
01:59:13,98 --> 01:59:20,61
existing employees of the society as they
exist today we haven't gone into detail

1019
01:59:20,62 --> 01:59:27,23
in that regard but the thought
is is that when you have two

1020
01:59:27,24 --> 01:59:33,00
separate legal entities. In essence we
have the city and then we have the right

1021
01:59:33,01 --> 01:59:39,33
kind of stark society since they are separate
legal entities I don't think there's

1022
01:59:39,34 --> 01:59:43,81
an issue with having different benefit
packages between the two if that's what your

1023
01:59:43,82 --> 01:59:48,65
question was the question
him or I'm going to reserve

1024
01:59:48,66 --> 01:59:52,88
a bit of time for some follow up questions
but for right now that's all I've got Mr

1025
01:59:52,89 --> 01:59:59,38
Consul versus anybody you
know so the person that you

1026
02:00:00,15 --> 02:00:06,08
have right now is an interim director
you are planning on hiring them as the

1027
02:00:06,09 --> 02:00:13,01
director if this is agreement
is is passed. Is that true

1028
02:00:13,46 --> 02:00:20,03
that's correct OK where does that
person work now. Prior does he have

1029
02:00:20,04 --> 02:00:21,56
a full time job B.C.S.

1030
02:00:21,61 --> 02:00:27,43
Currently he works for the state of Wisconsin
Historical Society OK So he has he's

1031
02:00:27,44 --> 02:00:27,84
a he's

1032
02:00:27,85 --> 02:00:33,91
a state employee that is correct OK so it's
been suggested by some people that have

1033
02:00:33,92 --> 02:00:39,19
contacted me that is really the only
reason that we're doing this is so if he

1034
02:00:39,20 --> 02:00:39,91
becomes then

1035
02:00:39,92 --> 02:00:46,70
a city employee he then continues with his.
State benefits that he's getting as far

1036
02:00:46,71 --> 02:00:52,58
as pension and that is that the main reason
behind this it is not it's. Is that one

1037
02:00:52,59 --> 02:00:59,54
of the reasons behind this. It was
obviously brought up is that the if that

1038
02:00:59,55 --> 02:01:02,35
is a byproduct of it but
that certainly hasn't been

1039
02:01:02,36 --> 02:01:09,24
a driving force of it OK so if he would
be hired by you as the director without

1040
02:01:09,25 --> 02:01:16,21
this agreement he would still be making
the same wage and and the wage is correct

1041
02:01:16,22 --> 02:01:21,85
but the benefit package would we would
not be able to afford we that you would

1042
02:01:21,86 --> 02:01:23,87
offer that as class he was

1043
02:01:23,88 --> 02:01:30,53
a city employee correct.
That's all I have for now

1044
02:01:30,60 --> 02:01:32,24
but let me ask

1045
02:01:32,25 --> 02:01:39,01
a clarifying question I put Mr counsel
present so if you were to hire

1046
02:01:39,01 --> 02:01:44,76
him the wage would be the same but you
can't afford to provide the benefit level

1047
02:01:45,78 --> 02:01:48,41
that he is currently receiving as

1048
02:01:48,42 --> 02:01:51,86
a state employee in his new
employment with or C.H.S.

1049
02:01:51,87 --> 02:01:56,47
As what I heard you say that is correct
but see also if you couldn't afford to do

1050
02:01:56,48 --> 02:02:02,08
that under that context are you
in a financial position as R.C.H.

1051
02:02:02,09 --> 02:02:07,06
Asked to ensure that the salary and
benefit costs incurred by the city of

1052
02:02:07,07 --> 02:02:13,49
Janesville to pretty much preserve
his position in line with Wisconsin

1053
02:02:13,50 --> 02:02:19,24
retirement system and other benefits
will be fully compensated to the city as

1054
02:02:19,25 --> 02:02:23,11
you're proposing the agreement so you can't
afford it on the one hand but you can

1055
02:02:23,12 --> 02:02:29,74
afford it on the other I guess the question
well as you can imagine cost to provide

1056
02:02:29,75 --> 02:02:36,34
that kind of about those benefits.
When you're out so low entity

1057
02:02:36,83 --> 02:02:40,77
and you have don't have the leverage
and bargaining power that the city of

1058
02:02:40,78 --> 02:02:46,72
Janesville would have the cost is
significantly more as an independent than it

1059
02:02:46,73 --> 02:02:47,38
would be as

1060
02:02:47,39 --> 02:02:51,70
a collective group that you guys are able
to negotiate with that would be primarily

1061
02:02:51,71 --> 02:02:55,36
in the arena of health insurance and life
insurance and disability insurance at

1062
02:02:55,37 --> 02:03:02,26
a so writes to his Wisconsin
retirement system benefits correct. It

1063
02:03:02,46 --> 02:03:03,90
would seem to me that there is

1064
02:03:03,91 --> 02:03:09,72
a lot of issues that are still on the table
that need to get resolved or at least

1065
02:03:09,73 --> 02:03:11,65
my comfort level is going to get to

1066
02:03:11,66 --> 02:03:18,17
a point where I'm. I'm willing to say
A or nay on this particular item on

1067
02:03:18,82 --> 02:03:24,48
i Tunes or I have some questions
or you've just. Come from

1068
02:03:24,49 --> 02:03:31,12
a family I'm not clear on the hiring process
because this agreement that we have

1069
02:03:31,49 --> 02:03:37,29
clearly states the city manager will initially
hire and employ Timothy MAS is that

1070
02:03:37,30 --> 02:03:44,01
not in fact what's going to happen. Could
I speak to that yeah the answer is you

1071
02:03:44,02 --> 02:03:47,48
know yes if the council approves
the position and again this is

1072
02:03:47,49 --> 02:03:51,52
a policy decision for the
Council to authorize a position

1073
02:03:51,53 --> 02:03:57,50
a position which has no cost to the city
unites the two organizations even tighter

1074
02:03:57,51 --> 02:04:02,97
than they are now and you know provides
for what I would call synergy in

1075
02:04:02,98 --> 02:04:05,55
synchronization between
operational efforts from

1076
02:04:05,56 --> 02:04:10,71
a historical perspective but the answer is
is that Mr Moss is the interim director

1077
02:04:10,97 --> 02:04:16,42
today that the rock on Historical Society
has said you know that if the Council

1078
02:04:16,46 --> 02:04:21,22
authorizes the position tonight that they
would fully support him serving as the

1079
02:04:21,58 --> 02:04:25,96
executive director I'm the hiring manager
once you authorize the position I'm

1080
02:04:25,97 --> 02:04:31,24
certainly the hiring manager and I see
no reason why not to hire Mr Moss I've

1081
02:04:31,25 --> 02:04:34,06
looked at some of his credentials obviously
he works for the State Historical

1082
02:04:34,07 --> 02:04:39,33
Society now but for the community because
I think this is important to understand

1083
02:04:39,34 --> 02:04:43,86
who Mr Moss is most Mr Moss has served
on our historic commission I'm just

1084
02:04:43,87 --> 02:04:48,24
completing his tenth year on our historic
commission he served during those ten

1085
02:04:48,25 --> 02:04:52,63
years three years as the chair three
years as the vice chair and two years as

1086
02:04:52,64 --> 02:04:58,96
secretary that's the historic commission
so he's got some city experience on the

1087
02:04:58,97 --> 02:05:01,71
R.C.A. Chess board He served
nine years on the R.C.

1088
02:05:01,72 --> 02:05:06,61
Chess board three years as the chair two
years as the vice chair and two years as

1089
02:05:06,65 --> 02:05:12,77
the secretary. Not to mention So he's got
state he's got the County Historical

1090
02:05:12,78 --> 02:05:19,47
Society perspective and he also has the.
The historic commission city perspective

1091
02:05:19,48 --> 02:05:23,55
and so you know I think that for all the
reasons that have been mentioned already

1092
02:05:24,51 --> 02:05:29,05
you know it seems to me that he's the right
fit for the position so you know if the

1093
02:05:29,06 --> 02:05:35,28
Council authorizes the position then I
intend to hire Mr Moss into that position OK

1094
02:05:35,40 --> 02:05:39,02
thank you it wasn't clear how that was
going to happen thank you for clarifying

1095
02:05:39,03 --> 02:05:45,98
that I also wonder if violence require
your members to approve any revision.

1096
02:05:47,59 --> 02:05:52,78
Revisions. I'm not exactly sure on the
Byelaws we have them here I can do some

1097
02:05:52,79 --> 02:05:59,67
research on but if I can just
maybe side side comment related

1098
02:05:59,68 --> 02:06:03,28
to that is. The

1099
02:06:08,11 --> 02:06:14,18
I think it's important to realize that the
Board of. The director of the society

1100
02:06:14,19 --> 02:06:20,30
shall be chosen and serve at the pleasure
of the majority of the board members

1101
02:06:21,93 --> 02:06:27,57
OK So that compensation and other terms
of employment shall be fixed by the board

1102
02:06:28,38 --> 02:06:35,36
and as described by their review form so
that you're not hiring him now the city is

1103
02:06:35,40 --> 02:06:39,94
no i'm just that changes the whole dynamic
right and it would have to be changed in

1104
02:06:39,95 --> 02:06:46,11
your bylaws so I want to know if your
membership is required to approve biological

1105
02:06:46,12 --> 02:06:52,59
agents I would have to get if you
can give me a shirt sometimes

1106
02:06:52,60 --> 02:06:53,97
a review I can you know be accurate on

1107
02:06:53,98 --> 02:06:55,63
a lot of your members
tonight that they felt

1108
02:06:55,64 --> 02:07:00,78
a little blindsided by this and I'm
thinking perhaps we need to give the

1109
02:07:00,79 --> 02:07:01,43
organization

1110
02:07:01,44 --> 02:07:06,14
a little more time to have some conversations
with the members before we make

1111
02:07:06,15 --> 02:07:12,85
a determination yeah I will have
to ask for. A period to review

1112
02:07:12,86 --> 02:07:18,13
that question I really would
like an answer before we take

1113
02:07:18,14 --> 02:07:25,14
a vote tonight so nobody knows by the
last one hundred fifty I'm going to

1114
02:07:25,15 --> 02:07:29,04
wait you can answer the questions but I
really would like to know the answer to

1115
02:07:29,05 --> 02:07:30,39
that before that we'll do

1116
02:07:30,40 --> 02:07:38,97
a quick scan of my
calendar and. Sure Oakley

1117
02:07:38,98 --> 02:07:44,73
knows. My review of the by laws which
is obviously an essential form of the

1118
02:07:44,74 --> 02:07:48,61
governance structures you would reach out
to your membership once this is the proof

1119
02:07:48,62 --> 02:07:54,81
that that's where the letter of intent would
be done. So. If this was move forward

1120
02:07:54,85 --> 02:07:55,77
then to make this

1121
02:07:55,78 --> 02:08:02,52
a final agreement membership in my
view wouldn't vote for this position

1122
02:08:02,87 --> 02:08:08,27
the membership to change the
Bible they would have to approve

1123
02:08:08,28 --> 02:08:12,84
a biologic is what you're saying so if we
approve this tonight and then the measure

1124
02:08:12,85 --> 02:08:14,54
it says no to me

1125
02:08:14,55 --> 02:08:18,46
a good thing because it says that again
it goes I think Mitch and I don't want to

1126
02:08:18,94 --> 02:08:20,00
he said there is

1127
02:08:20,01 --> 02:08:24,03
a chicken there I think you have to buy
that this position is available and have

1128
02:08:24,04 --> 02:08:29,13
a discussion what does it mean and then the
final vote in my interpretation of that

1129
02:08:29,53 --> 02:08:33,95
in terms of change and so you don't
really have that planned so you haven't

1130
02:08:33,96 --> 02:08:40,15
determined how you would communicate
with the members or. Think. You do

1131
02:08:41,12 --> 02:08:47,92
is that an absolute or maybe. When
I marry about Absolutely when I

1132
02:08:47,93 --> 02:08:54,07
inquired about it they said yes so those
are the questions so that's why. We're

1133
02:08:54,08 --> 02:09:00,21
kind of looking more here instead of
adopting this resolution has it stated what

1134
02:09:00,22 --> 02:09:04,56
you're actually looking for a
memorandum of understanding or

1135
02:09:04,57 --> 02:09:09,03
a letter of intent are legal can give us
exact words for but something that you can

1136
02:09:09,04 --> 02:09:14,50
take back to your members that says the
city council is in agreement with the goal

1137
02:09:16,36 --> 02:09:20,43
yes I would think it would I
think that I know you're in

1138
02:09:20,44 --> 02:09:24,21
a bad position you know you can't talk
your membership if you don't know what the

1139
02:09:24,22 --> 02:09:29,56
city council and city staff is thinking but
the same time we heard here tonight you

1140
02:09:29,57 --> 02:09:34,57
know your membership is also concerned
about where this is going so to build on

1141
02:09:34,82 --> 02:09:41,38
what council member calmly has said
I think. Possibly with walls and.

1142
02:09:42,51 --> 02:09:44,79
Help here that we would be able
to figure out some sort of

1143
02:09:44,80 --> 02:09:50,41
a letter of intent to remember all burn
standing where the direction has. And then

1144
02:09:50,42 --> 02:09:54,78
let them go back to their membership get
your Byelaws changed and then come back to

1145
02:09:54,79 --> 02:10:00,34
us for the final approval to give the
authority. That this is asked in creating the

1146
02:10:00,35 --> 02:10:04,60
position of the city historian and executive
director of the Rock County Historical

1147
02:10:04,61 --> 02:10:10,94
Society What is that muddy the water I
think that muddies it but we have other

1148
02:10:10,95 --> 02:10:15,43
questions years when I just had one other
question and that is are there any other

1149
02:10:15,44 --> 02:10:19,53
known examples of an arrangement like this
with any other historical society and

1150
02:10:19,54 --> 02:10:26,12
city that you're aware as anyone else
tried this you know if I could answer

1151
02:10:26,13 --> 02:10:30,09
historical societies not that
we're aware of however J.M.

1152
02:10:30,10 --> 02:10:32,84
Foresees a classic example
of this J.M. For C.

1153
02:10:32,85 --> 02:10:37,84
Is federally funded through state and
federally and state funded through grants

1154
02:10:38,34 --> 02:10:44,22
that they receive they have their
own board but Karen Davis now

1155
02:10:44,73 --> 02:10:49,69
reports to Brian McCormack for Primal core
Mike the library director has oversight

1156
02:10:49,73 --> 02:10:53,41
of her daily functions and so they have

1157
02:10:53,42 --> 02:10:58,65
a board of directors they have an executive
director but that executive director

1158
02:10:58,66 --> 02:11:02,09
works for the library had seems to be
working fine they've been doing it for four

1159
02:11:02,10 --> 02:11:07,40
plus years now I think that's probably the
close to see example of something like

1160
02:11:07,41 --> 02:11:12,07
this happening but to your question
specifically we haven't found another situation

1161
02:11:12,08 --> 02:11:12,22
where

1162
02:11:12,23 --> 02:11:17,35
a city has incorporated or brought you know
the executive director of the historical

1163
02:11:17,36 --> 02:11:21,40
society into the fold although in
the city of Osh Kosh they have

1164
02:11:21,71 --> 02:11:26,58
a museum that the city operates and so they
have fifteen staff on this in the city

1165
02:11:26,59 --> 02:11:31,01
of Osh Kosh that run and operate
their museum you could say it's

1166
02:11:31,02 --> 02:11:33,26
a similar tie in it's just not called

1167
02:11:33,27 --> 02:11:38,01
a historical society and all the employees
get benefits of the city though in that

1168
02:11:38,02 --> 02:11:42,30
case in that case yes all
fifteen OK Thank you.

1169
02:11:45,49 --> 02:11:47,14
JIM Well

1170
02:11:48,10 --> 02:11:54,95
a couple things if this grocery
here. As I looked at this I too had

1171
02:11:54,96 --> 02:11:58,04
a lot of questions I'd
like that ironed out

1172
02:11:58,05 --> 02:12:02,60
a little bit more. And the other thing
that's a little concerning to me is

1173
02:12:02,61 --> 02:12:06,59
a lot of people are saying that this is
catching them by surprise anytime that that

1174
02:12:06,60 --> 02:12:07,91
gets brought up by I get

1175
02:12:07,92 --> 02:12:14,42
a little leery of it. And I
think to one try and get

1176
02:12:14,43 --> 02:12:20,21
a motion on the table here just so we can
talk about it further would be to I would

1177
02:12:20,22 --> 02:12:27,12
move to postpone this discussion or
this action on this item until the

1178
02:12:27,16 --> 02:12:32,44
April twenty third city
council meeting that motion.

1179
02:12:34,52 --> 02:12:38,74
I would be inclined to support it but I
don't think it will twenty. Two weeks is

1180
02:12:38,75 --> 02:12:39,34
going to give them

1181
02:12:39,36 --> 02:12:43,90
a bill time to resolve the issues that have
been raised I would would hope that we

1182
02:12:43,91 --> 02:12:45,34
would give them at least

1183
02:12:45,36 --> 02:12:52,61
a month to go. Their ducks more
in order May fourteenth. For

1184
02:12:53,14 --> 02:12:56,25
I May fourteenth May fourteenth. You have

1185
02:12:56,27 --> 02:13:00,57
a motion to second. Maybe you could yes.

1186
02:13:02,97 --> 02:13:08,09
I would just like to hear have some more
time to have this ironed out I'd like to

1187
02:13:08,10 --> 02:13:09,81
have the members bill to
have a little bit more of

1188
02:13:09,82 --> 02:13:15,39
a chance to voice their opinion on it. I
just wouldn't feel comfortable giving

1189
02:13:15,40 --> 02:13:19,96
a yea or nay on it tonight and I think it's
kind of funny I actually was originally

1190
02:13:19,97 --> 02:13:25,09
thinking May fourteenth and I was like you
know we'll go next we're next meeting

1191
02:13:25,10 --> 02:13:27,03
and then if it doesn't work out what can

1192
02:13:27,04 --> 02:13:30,79
a lot farther down but May fourteenth
actually is the one I felt more comfortable

1193
02:13:30,80 --> 02:13:36,14
on and that's why I automatically knew the
date off the top of my head so I think

1194
02:13:36,15 --> 02:13:38,61
that this gives everybody a chance
to kind of get this ironed out

1195
02:13:38,62 --> 02:13:43,99
a little bit more. You know as there's
seconder of that motion I know the

1196
02:13:44,95 --> 02:13:51,86
executive leadership of the historic
society very well. So the record clear

1197
02:13:51,87 --> 02:13:57,59
I no longer am associated with the
historic society a and I have

1198
02:13:57,60 --> 02:14:02,36
a clear conscience in supporting the idea
of going back and getting additional

1199
02:14:02,37 --> 02:14:06,03
detail to support what has
all the potential of being

1200
02:14:06,04 --> 02:14:12,74
a very positive relationship between
the historic society and the city. But

1201
02:14:12,90 --> 02:14:19,79
in this particular case what we
lack in detail. Is important enough

1202
02:14:19,89 --> 02:14:22,48
that it's going to make or
break that relationship in

1203
02:14:22,49 --> 02:14:26,100
a year's time or two years
time and I just assume with

1204
02:14:27,01 --> 02:14:33,77
a clear conscience you know that we've
dotted the I's. Cross the t's and

1205
02:14:33,78 --> 02:14:35,67
we've pulled the detail out steps

1206
02:14:35,68 --> 02:14:40,82
a series for everybody to make an informed
decision in consideration and I would

1207
02:14:40,83 --> 02:14:46,80
hope that. The executive board
would have voted along intense

1208
02:14:47,20 --> 02:14:53,30
conversation with their membership
on this and bring things. Into.

1209
02:14:54,90 --> 02:15:00,01
Copacetic understanding so that
all of us can move forward in

1210
02:15:00,02 --> 02:15:05,98
a positive way. My allowed
to speak at this point yeah

1211
02:15:06,78 --> 02:15:11,66
long as it's related to the motion
that's on the floor I hope so as

1212
02:15:11,67 --> 02:15:18,30
a follow up call someone kindly your Of
course the amendments to the Byelaws

1213
02:15:18,96 --> 02:15:22,67
or the very last item on the back pages
are just to look at the very end but I

1214
02:15:22,68 --> 02:15:26,52
looked at the beginning I had thought
that was it but these by allies may be

1215
02:15:26,53 --> 02:15:33,12
amended in whole or part. At an annual
business meeting of the members of the

1216
02:15:33,13 --> 02:15:39,22
society or at any special meeting member
meeting called for that purpose so it

1217
02:15:39,23 --> 02:15:41,05
would require a membership

1218
02:15:41,67 --> 02:15:46,53
a special meeting yet and how much
notice you have to give before

1219
02:15:46,54 --> 02:15:52,68
a meeting is called. Thirty days and
for the meeting so you might want to

1220
02:15:53,33 --> 02:15:57,74
bump this back that's why I thought I'd
thank you donors Jack for another two weeks

1221
02:15:57,75 --> 02:16:02,24
is I would consider that of an
amendment that I could support on

1222
02:16:02,25 --> 02:16:09,00
a friendly basis so when I. Thank
you so the intent of the whole

1223
02:16:09,01 --> 02:16:15,70
memo or to the motion it should mean the
intent of the motion is to basically

1224
02:16:16,26 --> 02:16:21,92
direct the Rock County Historical Society
to meet their members and take care of

1225
02:16:21,93 --> 02:16:27,19
this chicken and egg situation among other
things now becoming That's what you're

1226
02:16:27,19 --> 02:16:31,99
trying to do I also think you need to
address the county versus the city question

1227
02:16:31,100 --> 02:16:35,96
that was raised tonight if I think that's
probably critical to the organization

1228
02:16:35,97 --> 02:16:40,87
that you somehow have a plan to mitigate
that perception because if it's been

1229
02:16:40,87 --> 02:16:45,05
a perception in the past it's really going
to get home if we approve this I would

1230
02:16:45,07 --> 02:16:51,100
agree so yeah and anyone else
just to throw it out there

1231
02:16:52,01 --> 02:16:58,68
I'm pretty sure that two weeks would
technically be Memorial Day I think so it's

1232
02:16:58,69 --> 02:17:01,63
going to meet on Tuesday the next day OK
Just want to make sure because I know

1233
02:17:01,64 --> 02:17:03,85
sometimes we don't mean it
and sometimes we go with

1234
02:17:03,86 --> 02:17:09,39
a very next day just to make sure we
were sure to be Tuesday. Twenty nine men

1235
02:17:09,40 --> 02:17:15,62
twenty nine and I would
presume that at the rock on

1236
02:17:15,63 --> 02:17:21,02
a historical society needed more time they
could contact the city manager and we

1237
02:17:21,03 --> 02:17:27,47
could move that deadline.
Further away not away

1238
02:17:28,36 --> 02:17:32,43
you know. We've got lots
of e-mails on this did

1239
02:17:32,44 --> 02:17:39,11
a good job it flooding us with
e-mails but my. My vote has to

1240
02:17:39,12 --> 02:17:45,73
be for the citizens of Janesville and it's
not for what's best for the historical

1241
02:17:45,74 --> 02:17:50,85
society although Starkville society Great
Society I love you know what they do here

1242
02:17:50,86 --> 02:17:55,53
in the city of Jane's well but I have to
look out for the citizens and I see you

1243
02:17:55,54 --> 02:18:00,04
know very little on the plus side for the
citizens in Janesville in this agreement

1244
02:18:00,04 --> 02:18:06,62
. There are just way too many
fill in the blanks questionable.

1245
02:18:07,68 --> 02:18:13,39
And too many unknowns and
not anything against

1246
02:18:14,88 --> 02:18:21,56
city manager but it says in here that after
as far as that I read it after the city

1247
02:18:21,57 --> 02:18:27,26
council approves this agreement the city
manager whoever that is in the future and

1248
02:18:27,27 --> 02:18:30,47
any time in the future could change the
agreement without the consent of the city

1249
02:18:30,48 --> 02:18:37,30
council. I'm not willing to give
up that authority. So if this

1250
02:18:37,31 --> 02:18:37,80
came up for

1251
02:18:37,81 --> 02:18:43,08
a vote tonight I'd be voting it down
I will vote to postpone it thank you

1252
02:18:45,00 --> 02:18:50,89
I think cats might prefer Austin they take
you. I reiterate would turn up council

1253
02:18:50,90 --> 02:18:53,48
member William said I'd
really like to have

1254
02:18:53,49 --> 02:18:55,90
a vote tonight I will not support this for

1255
02:18:55,91 --> 02:19:02,06
a number of reasons I won't reiterate
all of the things that. Council member

1256
02:19:02,07 --> 02:19:05,34
Williams said however I think
the board of directors has

1257
02:19:06,16 --> 02:19:12,94
a responsibility to direct that individual
it is not the city's responsibility the

1258
02:19:12,95 --> 02:19:18,92
city manager. In the city council
has a strategic plan which takes

1259
02:19:18,93 --> 02:19:24,58
a number of staff time and time with the
city manager that sure that's what we have

1260
02:19:24,59 --> 02:19:26,31
agreed upon that is

1261
02:19:26,32 --> 02:19:32,21
a priority the priority is not for the
city manager to spend more of his time

1262
02:19:32,59 --> 02:19:38,24
directing another person frankly
I think the only reason that

1263
02:19:39,55 --> 02:19:44,26
the only plus I can see are why this is
being done is to make it more attractive to

1264
02:19:44,27 --> 02:19:44,78
hire

1265
02:19:45,36 --> 02:19:50,63
a person say or you're going to get the
city employee benefits that's let's just

1266
02:19:50,64 --> 02:19:55,80
face it that's the main reason I don't
particularly care for the city being used in

1267
02:19:55,81 --> 02:20:02,65
them manner also one of the concerns
I have is it's called The Rock

1268
02:20:02,66 --> 02:20:09,45
County Historical Society the mission
of that society is not to be

1269
02:20:09,46 --> 02:20:14,80
under the city of change still per
view how come there's a city and story

1270
02:20:14,81 --> 02:20:20,15
a project open up a lawyer I mean if I was
a boy member of the poor I'd say well

1271
02:20:20,46 --> 02:20:25,74
a boy apparently doesn't have any importance
so we don't need no I prefer to have

1272
02:20:25,75 --> 02:20:31,99
a vote tonight I don't really care if we
could spend this time and have them review

1273
02:20:32,00 --> 02:20:38,87
it but I'm like council member Williams I
will at support in any case thank you and

1274
02:20:38,88 --> 02:20:44,06
I know something else I just don't know
whether the counsel for attorney Clinch.

1275
02:20:45,10 --> 02:20:46,19
Just because you know from

1276
02:20:46,20 --> 02:20:51,92
a process standpoint you know we thought
through how we do this and so you know

1277
02:20:52,14 --> 02:20:57,06
under his advisement what we developed
was a resolution that was likened to

1278
02:20:57,07 --> 02:21:03,37
a lot of letter of intent by Mrs Ryan and
you know I think that Spot on what this

1279
02:21:03,38 --> 02:21:06,78
resolution is this
resolution is authorizing

1280
02:21:06,79 --> 02:21:13,33
a position within the city structure.
Then we have the ability to go.

1281
02:21:14,26 --> 02:21:19,57
Develop and negotiate an agreement and work
out the details that's part two but why

1282
02:21:19,58 --> 02:21:21,09
waste all that time if you don't have

1283
02:21:21,10 --> 02:21:26,18
a position that you're going to fill in
so you know you may say you know the cart

1284
02:21:26,19 --> 02:21:30,44
before the horse or whatever but in this
case you know the advisement of the city

1285
02:21:30,45 --> 02:21:32,56
attorney was is that we develop

1286
02:21:32,57 --> 02:21:37,28
a resolution with authorize the position
and then authorizes the city manager to

1287
02:21:37,29 --> 02:21:42,53
develop administratively how this relationship
is going to work and I share with

1288
02:21:42,54 --> 02:21:47,53
the council that you know first time
around it's never going to be right you're

1289
02:21:47,54 --> 02:21:51,28
going to have to work through the details
and that's the beauty of the two year

1290
02:21:51,57 --> 02:21:55,52
time period here is to figure out you know
what works what doesn't and at the end

1291
02:21:55,53 --> 02:21:58,75
of that two year period to be able to
figure out is this something we want to

1292
02:21:58,76 --> 02:22:01,87
continue from a city perspective
more importantly in our C.H.S.

1293
02:22:01,88 --> 02:22:07,39
Perspective and so I think we've lost you
know the purpose of this resolution and

1294
02:22:07,40 --> 02:22:12,54
some of the discussion in the and and the
details that frankly need to be resolved

1295
02:22:12,97 --> 02:22:18,34
post decision to authorize the position
and so I just wanted to share that Mr

1296
02:22:18,35 --> 02:22:23,67
Clinton I don't know whether
you have any comments could.

1297
02:22:25,32 --> 02:22:30,39
I like to call a question Is there a
board motion there is a motion on

1298
02:22:30,40 --> 02:22:36,97
a second OK coming or pretty
quick. I'm just going to go back

1299
02:22:37,01 --> 02:22:40,90
it's chicken and the egg did they go to
their membership first or they come to the

1300
02:22:40,91 --> 02:22:45,53
city for the OP to come to the city first
we heard earlier this evening that there

1301
02:22:45,54 --> 02:22:45,56
are

1302
02:22:45,57 --> 02:22:52,80
a mono. Former members interested
parties that would like to. That

1303
02:22:52,81 --> 02:22:56,50
are members of the rock on historical
society I think we all share the ultimate

1304
02:22:56,51 --> 02:22:56,94
goal of

1305
02:22:56,95 --> 02:23:01,90
a very successful Rock County Historical
Society and we want to see it prosper I

1306
02:23:01,91 --> 02:23:06,76
don't think there's anyone in this room.
That doesn't want the best for the Iraq

1307
02:23:06,77 --> 02:23:11,24
and Historical Society and it is Rock County
it's not change you know and I think.

1308
02:23:13,57 --> 02:23:17,14
Contrary to what some people I thought I
think the chicken and the egg is the key

1309
02:23:17,28 --> 02:23:20,64
here and I think the delay to

1310
02:23:20,65 --> 02:23:24,72
a future date will give the right County
Historical Society the time to bring their

1311
02:23:24,73 --> 02:23:30,69
members on board and make sure that what
the city agrees to is what the best

1312
02:23:30,70 --> 02:23:36,65
interest of the Rock County as far as
hostess ID is so that we will call the boat

1313
02:23:37,16 --> 02:23:41,42
motion they be want to read
it with the date on there.

1314
02:23:45,07 --> 02:23:49,43
So the original motion was to postpone
action until May fourteenth by council

1315
02:23:49,44 --> 02:23:53,18
member Jorgensen and second
group are. Only made

1316
02:23:53,19 --> 02:23:59,01
a friendly amendment to move the. Date to
May twenty ninth which was accepted by

1317
02:23:59,02 --> 02:24:03,83
the maker in the second or so the motion
as amended is to postpone action until May

1318
02:24:03,84 --> 02:24:10,46
twenty ninth. So in my
mind. That said they were.

1319
02:24:12,18 --> 02:24:19,14
One or three. Jim. The one

1320
02:24:19,81 --> 02:24:26,69
so that passes was sealed.
For weeks. I will go back

1321
02:24:26,70 --> 02:24:30,69
to. Item Number eight
consideration in action on

1322
02:24:30,70 --> 02:24:34,13
a proposed resolution authorizing
the city of Janesville to submit

1323
02:24:34,15 --> 02:24:40,04
a grant request there was constant Economic
Development Corporation for up to five

1324
02:24:40,05 --> 02:24:44,44
hundred thousand grant funding through
their idle site redevelopment program and

1325
02:24:44,45 --> 02:24:48,02
enter into a development
agreement with chains L.L.C.

1326
02:24:48,19 --> 02:24:50,20
Owner of the former former G.M.

1327
02:24:50,22 --> 02:24:54,91
Site at one thousand General Motors DR
JAMES BELL to establish the city of

1328
02:24:54,91 --> 02:24:55,47
Gainesville as

1329
02:24:55,48 --> 02:25:04,74
a pastoral entity with site access
during the project period. That

1330
02:25:04,75 --> 02:25:11,52
was called by one of the council
members. Mr Carroll. Gale

1331
02:25:11,53 --> 02:25:15,78
Pryce economic development director I'm
here to answer any questions. I just had

1332
02:25:15,79 --> 02:25:19,54
one so we heard somebody
step forward that this was

1333
02:25:19,90 --> 02:25:23,07
a good thing for Jane's in there and
supportive of it and somebody else stepped

1334
02:25:23,08 --> 02:25:28,42
forward and says why is the city
voluntarily just giving them money

1335
02:25:29,88 --> 02:25:35,04
so one of the roles of the economic
development office is to help connect parties

1336
02:25:35,05 --> 02:25:40,06
developers with the ability to be able
to complete their project and if that is

1337
02:25:40,07 --> 02:25:46,37
through financial means we are here to
do that and so James I'll see C.D.C.

1338
02:25:46,38 --> 02:25:53,06
Corporation had reached out to Mr
Verver myself as to allowing them or

1339
02:25:53,07 --> 02:25:57,51
helping them with connection
to W.D.C. And or D.N.R.

1340
02:25:57,74 --> 02:26:03,96
To help them with the financial US assistance
that they assumed was available in

1341
02:26:03,97 --> 02:26:09,15
Wisconsin to help their project along so
in the first one there is no city money

1342
02:26:09,16 --> 02:26:14,27
going into this we're not taking money from
roads or from parks or from anything to

1343
02:26:14,40 --> 02:26:18,71
for this five hundred dollars that's correct
this is completely state money that

1344
02:26:18,77 --> 02:26:24,45
the states set aside in the angel biennial
budgets for this very purpose to help

1345
02:26:24,46 --> 02:26:29,53
promote redevelopment of existing large
industrial sites are going to be

1346
02:26:29,54 --> 02:26:32,51
complicated to get redevelopment
and the grant has to go through

1347
02:26:32,52 --> 02:26:37,63
a city or municipality to be awarded that
is correct so these are not directly

1348
02:26:37,64 --> 02:26:43,26
available to the customer or the client
they have to work through us is especially

1349
02:26:43,27 --> 02:26:44,67
in a situation like this where it's

1350
02:26:44,68 --> 02:26:50,28
a pass through of the finances
directly to C.D.C. Or jeans L.L.C.

1351
02:26:50,63 --> 02:26:53,72
And so it's important for us as

1352
02:26:53,73 --> 02:26:58,33
a partner in that to be able to monitor
this project and ensure that the

1353
02:26:58,57 --> 02:27:01,22
requirements are being
met on behalf of W.D.C.

1354
02:27:02,00 --> 02:27:08,85
Thank you. Thank you again when we if
we apply for this gradient will it

1355
02:27:08,86 --> 02:27:15,74
be no or the. Part of the conditions of the
sale I believe were that General Motors

1356
02:27:15,75 --> 02:27:19,29
who's responsible. The C.D.C.

1357
02:27:19,30 --> 02:27:24,70
Was responsible for the cleanup not the
city as it can be very clearly Yeah that's

1358
02:27:24,71 --> 02:27:30,33
not our responsibility it's their
responsibility that's absolutely correct so we

1359
02:27:30,34 --> 02:27:36,36
are not the party that actually
conducting the work it is. James L.C.

1360
02:27:36,52 --> 02:27:37,37
Or C.D.C.

1361
02:27:37,38 --> 02:27:41,69
Right in this case so they'll they'll be
doing the work we are not responsible for

1362
02:27:41,70 --> 02:27:46,51
environmental remediation project in you
remember any grail that we've ever played

1363
02:27:46,55 --> 02:27:53,32
for. Every grant that I remember that
is directly benefited the city taxpayer

1364
02:27:53,33 --> 02:27:55,81
by reducing cost is

1365
02:27:55,82 --> 02:28:00,23
a skill and one that you can think of where
it really is not going to reduce any

1366
02:28:00,24 --> 02:28:04,95
cause for any change the
city tax Well if we were at

1367
02:28:04,96 --> 02:28:10,75
a point where we had the entire scope of
the project we would consider our systems

1368
02:28:10,76 --> 02:28:17,71
as part of that so it's it's very
possible in Wisconsin to use to

1369
02:28:17,77 --> 02:28:22,59
for environmental remediation there's also
environmental tip districts that you can

1370
02:28:22,60 --> 02:28:25,33
read for these kinds of right
you Asians now we're not at

1371
02:28:25,34 --> 02:28:30,51
a point where we can evaluate the entirety
of the scope of the project and to be

1372
02:28:30,52 --> 02:28:33,80
able to identify that and what that return
on that investment is like what you

1373
02:28:33,81 --> 02:28:36,35
usually see in a in A to increment or

1374
02:28:36,36 --> 02:28:42,66
a to. Contract So at this point
I think it's fair to say we're

1375
02:28:42,70 --> 02:28:49,48
reducing the potential of the local tax
payer investing in this project by reaching

1376
02:28:49,49 --> 02:28:55,78
out to our partners at the state and
securing money on behalf of C.D.C.

1377
02:28:55,86 --> 02:29:02,63
OK we're reducing the taxpayers' potential
So if it's very likely that you know in

1378
02:29:02,64 --> 02:29:06,71
a case of a beginning of an
environmental tiffs where you have

1379
02:29:06,72 --> 02:29:10,89
a partnership where the city is
providing assistance to help remediate

1380
02:29:10,90 --> 02:29:17,12
a site to move forward that's generally
local tax base that's captured by that if.

1381
02:29:17,61 --> 02:29:24,00
OK created by the building's properties
that are within that to foundry so in this

1382
02:29:24,01 --> 02:29:30,66
case we were not that far along so we have
no financial skin in the game at this

1383
02:29:30,67 --> 02:29:35,26
point although one may argue that we do
we have tons of infrastructure down there

1384
02:29:35,44 --> 02:29:40,24
that's ready to go we want that to be
re-used and and to promote other economic

1385
02:29:40,25 --> 02:29:46,99
development that it but it's a benefit
to clearly it's a benefit to the C.D.C.

1386
02:29:47,00 --> 02:29:52,36
Not to the taxpayers and I would say that
in the long term it's going to benefit

1387
02:29:52,37 --> 02:29:57,17
the taxpayers because we are that much
closer to getting something built in

1388
02:29:57,18 --> 02:30:02,01
creating revenue and creating jobs own
site and that's that is the paramount goal

1389
02:30:02,02 --> 02:30:07,78
here we always want to create jobs
creating right well when the C.D.C.

1390
02:30:07,79 --> 02:30:12,89
Purchased this they do full well that
they would have to spend that money so I

1391
02:30:12,90 --> 02:30:17,91
don't think this would be unexpected on
their part that they would delay anything

1392
02:30:18,49 --> 02:30:24,37
in the development. I'm sorry
another where Fido I think

1393
02:30:24,90 --> 02:30:25,59
C.D.C.

1394
02:30:25,60 --> 02:30:31,80
Was not expecting any assistance when
they purchased General Moore back that is

1395
02:30:31,81 --> 02:30:35,98
correct but they're certainly well aware
that most states have some kind of program

1396
02:30:36,02 --> 02:30:42,34
to help OK brownfield site that's all
I remember well. If I could provide

1397
02:30:42,35 --> 02:30:44,52
a point of clarification
for a council member

1398
02:30:44,53 --> 02:30:49,88
a feral anybody else who's interested but
one of the things that we worked on as

1399
02:30:49,89 --> 02:30:51,66
a city staff when G.M.

1400
02:30:51,67 --> 02:30:55,08
Still owned the property was trying
to market the property we developed

1401
02:30:55,12 --> 02:30:59,28
a. I'm trying to remember what our official
name of the document was but it was

1402
02:30:59,29 --> 02:31:04,22
a document that listed all of the
federal state and local programs that

1403
02:31:04,27 --> 02:31:10,62
a potential buyer could tap into to assist
been a clean up and redevelopment of

1404
02:31:10,63 --> 02:31:15,60
a site you know using either federal state
or local dollars And so we provided that

1405
02:31:15,61 --> 02:31:16,16
to G.M.

1406
02:31:16,17 --> 02:31:21,03
Whether they provided that to developers
or not I don't know. But then when we met

1407
02:31:21,70 --> 02:31:25,90
for the first time on September
fourteenth that document again was given

1408
02:31:25,91 --> 02:31:27,21
specifically the C.D.C.

1409
02:31:27,22 --> 02:31:31,54
This was one of the items listed in so
what you've got them doing like I would

1410
02:31:31,55 --> 02:31:36,62
expect any good company is how do I save
my own dollars and use federal state or

1411
02:31:36,63 --> 02:31:40,80
local dollars to offset that and so that's
all they're doing here is using one of

1412
02:31:40,81 --> 02:31:45,80
those tools OK that we said was available
from the state OK fair enough fair enough

1413
02:31:45,84 --> 02:31:52,55
thank you Mark. I just
wanted to again clarify that

1414
02:31:54,81 --> 02:32:00,34
they have to go through the city they can't
just go to get this grant without going

1415
02:32:00,35 --> 02:32:04,49
through the city you know people say
you know why is the city bending over

1416
02:32:04,50 --> 02:32:09,47
backwards and running and getting that money
but this is the normal process this is

1417
02:32:09,48 --> 02:32:14,59
the normal process on this in particular
Grant and this company with their track

1418
02:32:14,60 --> 02:32:21,25
record I'm sure as part of their what they
paid for the project and what they're

1419
02:32:21,26 --> 02:32:26,83
expecting the spend that they take into
account that they may or may not get grants

1420
02:32:26,84 --> 02:32:30,58
but they know that. Redevelopment
program and enter into

1421
02:32:30,59 --> 02:32:35,44
a development agreement with teens
L L C Warner of the former G.M.

1422
02:32:35,48 --> 02:32:38,91
Site to establish. The
city of Janesville is

1423
02:32:38,92 --> 02:32:45,64
a pass through and it with so access
during the project period second motion

1424
02:32:45,65 --> 02:32:51,04
because my William second because member
Jorgensen you know. Know nothing else at

1425
02:32:51,05 --> 02:32:55,36
this time but we're going
Yeah so I got contacted by

1426
02:32:55,37 --> 02:33:01,60
a couple people on this one and they said
that they don't like grants and that they

1427
02:33:02,32 --> 02:33:06,59
you know we should we shouldn't do this
and this is argued this is still taxpayer

1428
02:33:06,60 --> 02:33:08,14
dollars just coming from

1429
02:33:08,15 --> 02:33:14,25
a different entity technically but my
question to staff and that one that I think

1430
02:33:14,26 --> 02:33:19,35
might provide some clarity for those folks
is if we don't do this and we don't

1431
02:33:19,36 --> 02:33:23,82
apply for this grant does it go back to
the state to be used towards other things

1432
02:33:23,83 --> 02:33:27,26
such as roads for the state or does it
just go to somebody else will take it it

1433
02:33:27,27 --> 02:33:31,45
will go to another city that
will pass it through to

1434
02:33:31,46 --> 02:33:36,91
a quiet right so ultimately this money is
going to be for someone for this purpose

1435
02:33:37,50 --> 02:33:41,59
who's going to take it whether it's us
or another city Rob saluting So at that

1436
02:33:41,60 --> 02:33:47,73
point I have to say you know I I represent
the citizens of genes bill so if this

1437
02:33:47,74 --> 02:33:52,93
taxpayer and these taxpayer dollars are
going to go to US city as an elected member

1438
02:33:52,94 --> 02:33:58,27
of this council from Janesville I I would
like to see it go to help the city of

1439
02:33:58,28 --> 02:34:04,13
Janesville to those folks who have
concerns with how these grants are

1440
02:34:04,70 --> 02:34:11,10
distributed or how they are put up I would
say that that is more of. A concern for

1441
02:34:11,34 --> 02:34:14,91
the your city representative and state
senator and governor and that's

1442
02:34:14,92 --> 02:34:19,23
a completely valid argument that you that
you could bring forward to them but at

1443
02:34:19,24 --> 02:34:23,16
this point that's just not in
our control and I would like as

1444
02:34:23,17 --> 02:34:26,53
a member who was elected by the citizens
of Janesville I want to see as much

1445
02:34:26,54 --> 02:34:31,54
prosperity come to doing as well as we can
and that's why I would be in support of

1446
02:34:31,55 --> 02:34:37,09
this. In Motion by council member William
second the council member Jorgensen to

1447
02:34:37,10 --> 02:34:43,86
approve please vote. As you know mostly
Thank you very much thank you are you here

1448
02:34:43,87 --> 02:34:46,65
for the next on three am. Considering

1449
02:34:47,40 --> 02:34:50,71
a proposed resolution authorizing
the city obtains also submit

1450
02:34:50,72 --> 02:34:56,17
a grant request that was constant academic
development corporation for up to one

1451
02:34:56,18 --> 02:34:59,87
hundred fifty thousand grant funding
through their brownfield sites assessment

1452
02:34:59,88 --> 02:35:01,41
grant program to submit

1453
02:35:01,42 --> 02:35:05,27
a grant request to Wisconsin Department
of Natural Resources for up to three.

1454
02:35:06,70 --> 02:35:11,05
Thirty thousand and grant funding so there
was constant assessment monies program

1455
02:35:11,09 --> 02:35:11,94
and enter into

1456
02:35:11,95 --> 02:35:16,83
a development agreement with Hendrix
commercial properties I'll see to provide the

1457
02:35:16,84 --> 02:35:21,67
city again as it was site access during
the project period so this particular

1458
02:35:21,68 --> 02:35:24,17
property is five thirty
three North Main Street

1459
02:35:24,18 --> 02:35:27,36
a former Schuler's building that's
been vacant since the two thousand

1460
02:35:27,37 --> 02:35:32,46
a flood our current regulations do not
allow significant reinvestment in the

1461
02:35:32,47 --> 02:35:38,92
property as we see it is continuing to the
latter day it's blighting influence on

1462
02:35:38,93 --> 02:35:45,39
the area this is an opportunity for
us to basically look at the site and

1463
02:35:45,49 --> 02:35:51,10
potentially secure for our purposes in
Iraq as planned as you saw in the in the

1464
02:35:51,30 --> 02:35:58,24
report this is part of the tracks
or park area. Any question. Thank

1465
02:35:58,25 --> 02:35:59,57
you Gayle you did respond to

1466
02:35:59,58 --> 02:36:03,90
a number of questions and I was
saying that I guess I'm still

1467
02:36:03,94 --> 02:36:10,66
a little bit stuck explain the
ownership is OWNED of the property

1468
02:36:11,05 --> 02:36:15,03
and Rick's correct yeah they bought the
property in two thousand and five when they

1469
02:36:15,15 --> 02:36:21,66
purchased Schuler's they partnered
with Schuler's move them down to. Yeah

1470
02:36:22,23 --> 02:36:26,92
thank you they own it so OK we propose
that we all of this stuff with

1471
02:36:27,58 --> 02:36:33,88
a spouse this cleanup and so on I guess
we're confused then they still have

1472
02:36:33,89 --> 02:36:38,15
ownership of this so they're going to
cede ownership I said it could that be

1473
02:36:38,16 --> 02:36:42,68
a problem that is that is something we're
working through and certainly that's

1474
02:36:42,69 --> 02:36:47,79
a point of discussion because you can't
reinvest in the building and then what's

1475
02:36:47,80 --> 02:36:50,98
the long term Well if this is
a problem I mean I think it's

1476
02:36:50,99 --> 02:36:57,26
a great idea it is bloody in the city but.
What if we take all that down and so on

1477
02:36:57,27 --> 02:37:02,100
dualists good stuff or well we're going to
sell that lot to somebody until you get

1478
02:37:03,01 --> 02:37:06,13
this agreement ahead of time
what's to prevent that from

1479
02:37:06,14 --> 02:37:12,04
a damp Well again because the building is
in part of it's in the floodway in the

1480
02:37:12,05 --> 02:37:17,79
remainders in the floodplain it's nearly
impossible to redevelop the existing

1481
02:37:17,80 --> 02:37:23,92
building it's capped at half of the value
of its current value so we need to think

1482
02:37:23,93 --> 02:37:27,02
about adding dry wall or
whatever you really need to have

1483
02:37:27,03 --> 02:37:31,08
a use in the building it's
just not possible in or in

1484
02:37:31,09 --> 02:37:37,46
a reasonable sense or to meet the requirements
at one time Hendrix. Put it Tenet in

1485
02:37:37,47 --> 02:37:43,64
there it was soon after we had changed the
floodplain organ so right and we had no

1486
02:37:43,65 --> 02:37:48,99
choice in that matter so we had to do that
and I just like all pandering cedes the

1487
02:37:49,00 --> 02:37:55,63
ownership of it because I don't feel
comfortable with with them owning property

1488
02:37:55,93 --> 02:38:01,36
that we're going to be using part of our
rights Yeah and that's certainly the line

1489
02:38:01,37 --> 02:38:07,52
of discussion OK So can you follow up on
that some of the timeline of this are you

1490
02:38:07,53 --> 02:38:12,24
planning to have that discussion by lies
before you apply for the grant life of the

1491
02:38:12,25 --> 02:38:16,94
great keep working on it if you get the
grant and you're still not willing Yeah so

1492
02:38:16,98 --> 02:38:21,07
one of the challenges here we're trying
to be good stewards of TIFF hundred. It's

1493
02:38:21,08 --> 02:38:24,97
money right so if we can secure
a grant from the state or

1494
02:38:24,98 --> 02:38:30,18
a pair of grants from the state to be able
to facilitate this purchase demolition

1495
02:38:30,44 --> 02:38:32,84
then you know we're we're doing

1496
02:38:32,85 --> 02:38:38,32
a good job right so so that's that's the
timing is that we really need to have this

1497
02:38:38,33 --> 02:38:43,79
grant lined up we've had positive discussions
with Hendrix we think that this wall

1498
02:38:43,80 --> 02:38:48,59
come together that if we can get the grant
we can it's all going to fall into place

1499
02:38:48,76 --> 02:38:53,43
but you know certainly there are certain
steps that we have to take with regards to

1500
02:38:53,68 --> 02:38:59,27
environmental liability for the city that
we need to be able to walk through this

1501
02:38:59,28 --> 02:39:03,95
process so we need to have the Phase one
done absolutely before we secure any

1502
02:39:04,07 --> 02:39:09,26
purchase or acquisitions called acquisition
of the property we've got to have that

1503
02:39:09,27 --> 02:39:16,20
first and. That would be part of. Based

1504
02:39:16,21 --> 02:39:20,68
on the conversation and move resolution
number twenty eight fifteen twenty eight.

1505
02:39:22,66 --> 02:39:23,67
And emotion comes from

1506
02:39:23,68 --> 02:39:30,38
a greater second by consummate calmly.
Nothing more than. Anyone else

1507
02:39:30,92 --> 02:39:31,48
in a motion on

1508
02:39:31,49 --> 02:39:38,33
a second please but. As you know mostly
Thanks again thank you next item

1509
02:39:38,37 --> 02:39:43,75
consideration and resolution authorizing
the city manager to proceed with the sale

1510
02:39:43,76 --> 02:39:48,75
of surface property located at thirteen
thirty east home street around solution two

1511
02:39:48,76 --> 02:39:54,82
thousand and eighteen fifteen twenty.
Tellings here to help us with this

1512
02:39:56,55 --> 02:40:03,35
and Jim I think it was
yours. Is mine yours OK.

1513
02:40:06,13 --> 02:40:11,11
OK so the the property
at thirteen thirty is.

1514
02:40:13,10 --> 02:40:19,79
Was bought and tax for closure I mean we
acquired through tax foreclosure and.

1515
02:40:22,48 --> 02:40:29,08
We are also have. Demolition costs
were tearing the property down

1516
02:40:29,24 --> 02:40:36,07
correct so we're going to have how much
in the property. Demolition cost is

1517
02:40:36,08 --> 02:40:42,15
sixteen thousand four hundred
and total cost of the property.

1518
02:40:48,05 --> 02:40:53,23
So right here in front of me the cost of
the property was around fifteen I believe

1519
02:40:53,24 --> 02:40:57,83
so total cost is about
thirty thousand dollars. And

1520
02:41:01,79 --> 02:41:08,78
then the person is proposing buying
it and moving your house from down

1521
02:41:08,80 --> 02:41:15,64
the street to this property that's
correct. The questions that I have I guess

1522
02:41:16,53 --> 02:41:17,12
that I'm having

1523
02:41:17,13 --> 02:41:22,26
a hard time with is that correct me if I'm
wrong the person that wants to buy the

1524
02:41:22,27 --> 02:41:24,14
property is the same person that owns

1525
02:41:24,15 --> 02:41:28,75
a company that's getting paid the fifteen
thousand dollars to tear the house down

1526
02:41:28,94 --> 02:41:34,58
like that is correct the offer to purchase
to us came in about six weeks after the

1527
02:41:34,59 --> 02:41:40,24
bid was due to us for the demolition I
don't know that that those two items are

1528
02:41:40,28 --> 02:41:46,25
related he does not currently own the
property at twelve seventeen East homes so

1529
02:41:46,26 --> 02:41:46,46
there's

1530
02:41:46,47 --> 02:41:50,46
a whole separate land transaction that's
occurring with that property so he doesn't

1531
02:41:50,47 --> 02:41:55,81
own that home the person who owns that
home approached him asked him if he could

1532
02:41:55,82 --> 02:41:55,96
get

1533
02:41:55,97 --> 02:42:02,30
a hold of the lot and move that property
and then retain ownership of that property

1534
02:42:02,77 --> 02:42:09,52
because according to the county
tax records the land the

1535
02:42:09,53 --> 02:42:15,06
city has assessed at one thousand nine our
land assessments are always but I looked

1536
02:42:15,07 --> 02:42:16,12
on line also did

1537
02:42:16,13 --> 02:42:22,64
a lot for sale around tone and
ten to twelve might be OK.

1538
02:42:25,15 --> 02:42:31,64
But I'm looking at this it just doesn't
feel to me as an arm's length transaction

1539
02:42:31,75 --> 02:42:31,86
for

1540
02:42:31,87 --> 02:42:39,00
a thousand dollars that.
We have. A lot here we

1541
02:42:39,27 --> 02:42:40,93
like we are in

1542
02:42:40,94 --> 02:42:46,80
a pretty good position that someone's going
to be moving on house there would be

1543
02:42:46,81 --> 02:42:53,69
a lot there. I just don't feel
right in voting on selling

1544
02:42:53,70 --> 02:42:54,05
this for

1545
02:42:54,06 --> 02:43:01,05
a thousand dollars without. Putting this
out where. We could have more bidders on

1546
02:43:01,06 --> 02:43:04,97
this. I just don't I can't see

1547
02:43:05,30 --> 02:43:09,60
a thousand dollars for this property
and that's why we're going to join

1548
02:43:13,11 --> 02:43:18,66
So Kelly what would be the steps to try
to get more money for this particular lot

1549
02:43:18,70 --> 02:43:24,29
would you go back to this individual and
negotiate or that would be one option

1550
02:43:24,30 --> 02:43:27,60
that's one of the options that was outlined
in your memo is we can certainly take

1551
02:43:27,94 --> 02:43:33,39
a counteroffer back to this party. That
council believes is more appropriate for

1552
02:43:33,40 --> 02:43:36,57
the lot. Our other
options as we could have

1553
02:43:36,58 --> 02:43:41,68
a lot appraised in the email that I had
century earlier today we had done that

1554
02:43:41,69 --> 02:43:45,73
previously and appraisals run about three
hundred seventy five dollars just for

1555
02:43:45,74 --> 02:43:50,07
a lot and we had in the past
those appraisals had become

1556
02:43:50,08 --> 02:43:53,06
a greater portion than what
we would receive back for

1557
02:43:53,07 --> 02:43:59,25
a lot of our lots. You know the city does
and especially within our department we

1558
02:43:59,26 --> 02:44:00,07
do retain quite

1559
02:44:00,08 --> 02:44:06,15
a few lots that we do have available. And
they're always available for purchase we

1560
02:44:06,16 --> 02:44:12,28
just don't ever very often have people
interested in those properties. And the

1561
02:44:12,29 --> 02:44:14,28
other option would be just to hire

1562
02:44:14,29 --> 02:44:18,53
a real estate broker to list that property
for us we could put it on our city

1563
02:44:18,54 --> 02:44:25,19
website I don't know that any of
those are going to get fifteen

1564
02:44:25,68 --> 02:44:29,82
twelve thousand dollars and much less their
thirty thousand dollars that's in them

1565
02:44:29,83 --> 02:44:36,73
a lot of this point in. I would I would
say and that's want here. If we don't

1566
02:44:36,74 --> 02:44:41,07
do anything the city is going to still
spend the money to demolish it it'll be an

1567
02:44:41,08 --> 02:44:45,95
empty lot it's going to sit vacant for
who knows how long we'll be blowing it

1568
02:44:45,96 --> 02:44:51,11
maintaining it and we've got a lot of these
lots around town the fact that we have

1569
02:44:51,12 --> 02:44:57,40
a property that somebody actually wants to
take and do something with good you know

1570
02:44:57,41 --> 02:44:59,71
we get to slide up our thing
and we're going to take

1571
02:44:59,72 --> 02:45:03,57
a little head but we we bought it with
the intention of trying to upgrade the

1572
02:45:03,58 --> 02:45:05,71
neighborhood and get

1573
02:45:05,72 --> 02:45:10,46
a dilapidated house out of the neighborhood
and try to get somebody living in there

1574
02:45:10,63 --> 02:45:13,31
that'll pay taxes on it
on this one and we've got

1575
02:45:13,32 --> 02:45:18,03
a little bit of extra bonus although it's
not part of the deal we're helping out

1576
02:45:18,41 --> 02:45:22,62
a church. That has some access
problems so we're getting

1577
02:45:22,63 --> 02:45:27,71
a little side benefit it won't give us any
money but we could we could deny that we

1578
02:45:27,72 --> 02:45:32,83
could go back and try to get more money out
of them and if he walks away then we're

1579
02:45:33,04 --> 02:45:38,96
worse and we're in a bad position so I
actually think this would be probably

1580
02:45:38,97 --> 02:45:42,37
a good thing for us it was a quick
turnover we bought it we didn't put

1581
02:45:42,38 --> 02:45:47,55
a lot of money into maintaining and
Smalling it. Just moves forward and and go

1582
02:45:47,56 --> 02:45:54,34
forward that's the intent of the program
because that is the intent of the program

1583
02:45:55,22 --> 02:45:59,70
and this is one of the more complex
complicated land transactions that we've been

1584
02:45:59,71 --> 02:46:04,94
involved in. And it's difficult to see
who's on first and what's second.

1585
02:46:06,49 --> 02:46:11,75
Keep track of I don't know one third I still
believe that this is the best interest

1586
02:46:11,76 --> 02:46:16,89
of. The programs that we run through
Community Development Authority to move

1587
02:46:16,90 --> 02:46:23,80
forward with this dog is indicated. We
will demolish the property it's not.

1588
02:46:25,60 --> 02:46:32,20
It's not worth saving at this particular
stage in time and the options that we have

1589
02:46:32,20 --> 02:46:39,05
. Frankly only tend to cost us
more money. And if we do nothing

1590
02:46:39,06 --> 02:46:43,22
that's the worst option in the world as
far as I'm concerned for this particular

1591
02:46:43,23 --> 02:46:47,64
neighborhood and I know this neighborhood
for well for those reasons I want to file

1592
02:46:47,65 --> 02:46:53,20
resolution number twenty eighteen fifteen
forty miles like. My council MacGruber

1593
02:46:53,21 --> 02:46:58,67
seconded by council member Colleen anything
further I think for them I also agree

1594
02:46:58,68 --> 02:47:03,96
that it's seems to make sense to me if. The
house that the church wants gone isn't

1595
02:47:03,97 --> 02:47:09,66
going to be demolished so we'll still have
taxes generated from this hollow just

1596
02:47:09,67 --> 02:47:15,32
beyond different lot kind of fits
together well so I agree that C.D.A.

1597
02:47:15,33 --> 02:47:21,52
Programs are intended to eliminate blight
in this Does that mean Washington const

1598
02:47:21,53 --> 02:47:27,87
member just one thing to
add. I'm glad that we had

1599
02:47:27,88 --> 02:47:33,47
a discussion on this and I will continue
to pull items that are so the property for

1600
02:47:33,48 --> 02:47:39,79
sale off to have this kind of discussion.
I will be voting against it I think the

1601
02:47:39,80 --> 02:47:44,26
property is worth one thousand dollars
which you know thousand dollars here

1602
02:47:44,30 --> 02:47:46,51
thousand dollars there adds
up to real money after

1603
02:47:46,52 --> 02:47:50,57
a while so that I will be voting against
it but I would agree with you however here

1604
02:47:50,58 --> 02:47:50,80
we have

1605
02:47:50,81 --> 02:47:57,15
a thousand dollars in front where the no
foreseeable increase so what that will be

1606
02:47:57,38 --> 02:47:57,58
called

1607
02:47:57,59 --> 02:48:04,44
a vote and he's in favor and it passes
five to one with council member way up as

1608
02:48:04,45 --> 02:48:07,67
a published next item
consideration in action on

1609
02:48:07,68 --> 02:48:11,84
a proposed resolution authorizing anything
up by sixty eight South Main Street

1610
02:48:12,22 --> 02:48:18,12
final resolution two thousand eight hundred
fifteen twenty seven. So this one and

1611
02:48:18,13 --> 02:48:19,21
in front of you today is

1612
02:48:19,22 --> 02:48:23,32
a two thousand and sixteen tax foreclosure
when we originally acquired the property

1613
02:48:23,33 --> 02:48:27,31
we had tenants in the property those tenants
were allowed to stay through the end

1614
02:48:27,32 --> 02:48:32,23
of their lease term once they vacated we
were able to clean the property and now we

1615
02:48:32,24 --> 02:48:36,27
have an offer to purchase on it in
addition similar to the last property that

1616
02:48:36,64 --> 02:48:41,28
reviewed two weeks ago this one did have
the same tax federal tax lien on the

1617
02:48:41,29 --> 02:48:46,32
property so it did take us some time to
clear that So the offer in front of you was

1618
02:48:46,33 --> 02:48:47,75
fifty one thousand dollars to

1619
02:48:47,76 --> 02:48:53,48
a Scott Johnson. With that I would make

1620
02:48:53,49 --> 02:48:57,34
a motion that we. Prove by

1621
02:48:57,35 --> 02:49:00,66
a resolution there were twenty eight hundred
fifteen twenty seven authorizing the

1622
02:49:00,67 --> 02:49:05,00
city manager to proceed with the sale of
the property located at five six eight

1623
02:49:05,01 --> 02:49:09,91
South Main Street to Scott Johnson in the
amount of fifty one thousand dollars so

1624
02:49:10,65 --> 02:49:17,59
emotional Second I think it's
mistrial in just then any

1625
02:49:17,60 --> 02:49:22,81
money that's made on this then goes back
to the other tax taxing jurisdictions

1626
02:49:23,12 --> 02:49:28,14
County actually those have already been
paid when we purchased those properties we

1627
02:49:28,15 --> 02:49:31,29
write the check to the county the county
has already reimbursed the city of

1628
02:49:31,30 --> 02:49:36,82
Janesville for our portion of that. What
would happen with this fifty one thousand

1629
02:49:36,83 --> 02:49:41,63
dollars or than the net twenty five ish
it will go back into this program to

1630
02:49:41,64 --> 02:49:46,06
continue to fund the tackler of losers like
the one we did exactly exactly I'd just

1631
02:49:46,07 --> 02:49:51,07
like to also bring out the good
ones OK Thank you. And I have

1632
02:49:51,08 --> 02:49:58,02
a motion in effect in anymore you know
OK we vote and that answers unanimously

1633
02:49:58,06 --> 02:50:03,34
if I thought correctly. I don't number
twelve we could by consent I don't know

1634
02:50:03,35 --> 02:50:03,79
because

1635
02:50:03,80 --> 02:50:09,43
a seven minute I thought you might. Before
we get into the next everybody OK with

1636
02:50:09,44 --> 02:50:13,08
that so seven minutes
well you can eat there.

1637
03:02:48,54 --> 03:02:54,08
Thank you for everyone for indulging
us their. Next item new business.

1638
03:02:56,14 --> 03:03:02,68
Old business there's always that one thing
you. Know. The right one consideration

1639
03:03:02,69 --> 03:03:06,84
in action to adopt rebuys Council policy
think number seventy thousand more

1640
03:03:06,85 --> 03:03:11,96
construction maintenance and if that's going
to cost and Mr Mike pain Welcome thank

1641
03:03:11,97 --> 03:03:18,89
you Mike Payne city engineer. Thank
you Mark so two meetings ago the

1642
03:03:18,90 --> 03:03:21,01
council directed staff to do

1643
03:03:21,02 --> 03:03:25,93
a little bit of research we were we had
the council took action that evening to

1644
03:03:25,97 --> 03:03:30,33
assess property owners on Milwaukee Street
between Main Street and River Street as

1645
03:03:30,34 --> 03:03:35,43
well as property owners on River Street
between Milwaukee Street and CT street for

1646
03:03:35,44 --> 03:03:41,66
upcoming projects. Associated with some
reconstruction work that's going on and so

1647
03:03:41,67 --> 03:03:44,14
the direction to staff
was to go back and take

1648
03:03:44,15 --> 03:03:50,34
a look and see how many instances of
sidewalk defect orders had been issued on

1649
03:03:50,60 --> 03:03:56,85
three specific project corridors going back
to January of twenty thirteen the first

1650
03:03:56,86 --> 03:04:01,22
quarter was Main Street between Center way
and St Lawrence the second corridor was

1651
03:04:01,23 --> 03:04:06,95
Milwaukee Street from Main Street going
west to the Five Points intersection and

1652
03:04:06,96 --> 03:04:11,06
the third corridor was River Street between
CT street in Milwaukee Street looks

1653
03:04:11,07 --> 03:04:15,93
like please. So on Main Street we discovered
that there was no defect sidewalks

1654
03:04:15,94 --> 03:04:21,88
ordered in that timeframe. The council is
probably aware that all of the concrete

1655
03:04:21,89 --> 03:04:26,49
terraces and concrete sidewalks were replaced
in two thousand and fifteen with new

1656
03:04:26,50 --> 03:04:28,69
concrete as associated with the D.O.T.

1657
03:04:28,70 --> 03:04:34,77
Project at that time the council had voted
to assess all about in property owners

1658
03:04:34,78 --> 03:04:35,60
for the equivalent of

1659
03:04:35,61 --> 03:04:40,41
a five foot with sidewalk and the
assessments associated with that were about

1660
03:04:40,42 --> 03:04:44,84
ninety seven thousand dollars just under
one hundred thousand many of those owners

1661
03:04:44,85 --> 03:04:46,54
were opted to take

1662
03:04:46,55 --> 03:04:50,91
a five year payment plan and so given
that that work was performed in fifteen

1663
03:04:51,60 --> 03:04:52,92
they're just a few years into

1664
03:04:52,93 --> 03:04:58,92
a five year installment plan on Main Street
Next slide please the second quarter

1665
03:04:58,93 --> 03:05:04,41
was Milwaukee St There were two instances
in that alongside meant between Main

1666
03:05:04,42 --> 03:05:05,33
Street in the five points in

1667
03:05:05,34 --> 03:05:10,28
a section where going back to two thousand
and sixteen at twenty one West Milwaukee

1668
03:05:10,29 --> 03:05:14,79
which is due to jewelry there was enough
of an of twenty two point eight feet of

1669
03:05:14,80 --> 03:05:18,48
sidewalk that was replaced
under city contract at

1670
03:05:18,49 --> 03:05:22,62
a cost of about six hundred sixty eight
dollars the second location was a three

1671
03:05:22,63 --> 03:05:24,74
o seven West Milwaukee
which is the Asian B.

1672
03:05:24,75 --> 03:05:28,58
Stroll and they just had one square
of sidewalk that was replaced at

1673
03:05:28,59 --> 03:05:33,43
a cost of one hundred sixty four
dollars Next slide please this is

1674
03:05:33,44 --> 03:05:37,78
a photo of doob's jewelry so what you can
see on the right hand side of the photos

1675
03:05:37,79 --> 03:05:38,03
about

1676
03:05:38,04 --> 03:05:41,83
a one inch settlement of the sidewalk
obviously the property owner had identified

1677
03:05:41,84 --> 03:05:45,32
this was a concern and
had attempted to make

1678
03:05:45,33 --> 03:05:51,31
a visual. Representation of that by painting
it yellow course that you know brought

1679
03:05:51,32 --> 03:05:55,33
attention to it and and once the
city is aware of a defect that's

1680
03:05:55,34 --> 03:06:01,08
a potential public safety hazard and we
took protocols to make that safe and then

1681
03:06:01,09 --> 03:06:06,76
order those repairs next slide will show
the picture of the one sidewalk Square and

1682
03:06:06,77 --> 03:06:12,09
from the Asian where that sidewalk Square
just wasn't holding up well on the

1683
03:06:12,10 --> 03:06:18,42
surface. And that was replaced next
slide will be the overview of the third

1684
03:06:18,73 --> 03:06:23,12
segment which is River Street between
Milwaukee Street and CT Street which is

1685
03:06:23,13 --> 03:06:27,92
a block segment in that two blocks I'd
meant there was one corner property at

1686
03:06:27,93 --> 03:06:34,47
seventeen south of St So that property
has frontage on the northeast corner of

1687
03:06:34,51 --> 03:06:41,50
river and street and it had it had
just the similar problem which was

1688
03:06:41,51 --> 03:06:45,96
a foundation related problem settlement
of the foundation. Settlement around the

1689
03:06:45,97 --> 03:06:51,39
foundation which led to a filler strip
of concrete sink. Because that wasn't

1690
03:06:51,40 --> 03:06:57,87
a full five feet of width but it was the
entire front edge of that property. We

1691
03:06:57,88 --> 03:07:00,88
heard the property owner two meetings ago
indicate that he had one hundred twenty

1692
03:07:00,89 --> 03:07:07,29
feet of actual frontage on River Street
and so the the equivalent five foot

1693
03:07:08,27 --> 03:07:13,44
which was twenty eight point four feet
and he replaced that filler strip at

1694
03:07:13,45 --> 03:07:17,68
a cost of body eight hundred dollars and
twenty fifteen turning the corner on Dodge

1695
03:07:17,69 --> 03:07:21,92
street then on the south side of his building
the equipment was twenty seven point

1696
03:07:21,93 --> 03:07:26,74
one feet and that was an additional seven
hundred sixty four dollars the next

1697
03:07:26,75 --> 03:07:27,83
several slides will show

1698
03:07:27,84 --> 03:07:34,83
a couple photos of that before hand. So
what you can see. With the laser pointer

1699
03:07:34,84 --> 03:07:38,30
to the front you can't see that
very well but what you can see is

1700
03:07:38,31 --> 03:07:42,68
a lip this is at the front threshold and
you can see that the vertical displacement

1701
03:07:42,69 --> 03:07:48,08
there's about a little more than half.
The height of a brick there so that was

1702
03:07:48,09 --> 03:07:51,73
a definite significant settlement
the next slide will give you

1703
03:07:51,74 --> 03:07:55,17
a slightly different perspective again
standing in the doorway threshold looking to

1704
03:07:55,18 --> 03:07:57,83
the north that was settled
well over an inch and

1705
03:07:57,84 --> 03:08:03,17
a half there and the third photo is just
kind of looking along the entire front

1706
03:08:03,18 --> 03:08:08,10
edge there and you can see some debris and
cigarette butts kind of trapped vertical

1707
03:08:08,11 --> 03:08:13,10
displacement the next two slides will
show you what it looked like immediately

1708
03:08:13,11 --> 03:08:15,47
after Public Works was
notified of an accident

1709
03:08:15,48 --> 03:08:21,38
a trip hazard accident for an individual
who. Needed medical attention and

1710
03:08:21,39 --> 03:08:23,77
ultimately filed a claim
with the city so here's

1711
03:08:23,78 --> 03:08:29,50
a temporary cold patch at the front door
location and the next slide is just

1712
03:08:29,51 --> 03:08:34,81
a slightly different perspective again
looking looking straight north. The next

1713
03:08:34,82 --> 03:08:39,99
slide we will get into kind of the details
there so specifically at seventeen so

1714
03:08:40,00 --> 03:08:45,64
three street the pedestrian injures injury
is what prompted notification to the

1715
03:08:45,65 --> 03:08:48,25
city that there was a
situation there that was

1716
03:08:48,26 --> 03:08:55,04
a problem the existing sidewalk condition
today violates violates the two percent

1717
03:08:55,27 --> 03:09:01,07
of Americans with Disabilities Act
the cross slope and portions of that

1718
03:09:01,91 --> 03:09:05,70
sidewalk in that block between street
and Milwaukee Street are two and

1719
03:09:05,71 --> 03:09:10,84
a half times the legal limit and so
there's no circumstance that the city can

1720
03:09:11,11 --> 03:09:14,99
proceed with making improvements on that
corridor and match the existing sidewalk

1721
03:09:15,46 --> 03:09:20,47
regardless of what the sidewalk surface
looks like if that's free of defects it is

1722
03:09:20,48 --> 03:09:26,08
the cross slope that is in violation in
addition to making the improvements we

1723
03:09:26,09 --> 03:09:29,13
always take the opportunity to
try and improve drainage along

1724
03:09:29,14 --> 03:09:36,13
a corridor and minimize the grades
driveway locations driveway aprons and so

1725
03:09:36,38 --> 03:09:41,13
the street profile in the cross section
on that corridor will also be changing as

1726
03:09:41,14 --> 03:09:47,70
we reconstruct the street the next slide.
So twenty eight hundred sidewalk rates

1727
03:09:47,71 --> 03:09:48,23
there's been

1728
03:09:48,24 --> 03:09:52,14
a little bit of confusion I think
that because I've referenced this is

1729
03:09:52,15 --> 03:09:57,77
a festival street with some amenities that
are unique to the downtown that perhaps

1730
03:09:57,78 --> 03:10:01,99
the costs to the a budding
property owners are are more than

1731
03:10:02,19 --> 03:10:08,06
a traditional resident in the community and
so the city has to sidewalk assessment

1732
03:10:08,07 --> 03:10:11,43
rates for twenty eighteen the new sidewalk
rate is thirty dollars per Lanier foot

1733
03:10:11,47 --> 03:10:11,78
that's for

1734
03:10:11,79 --> 03:10:16,08
a five foot with the sidewalk and the
replacement rate is thirty four dollars and

1735
03:10:16,09 --> 03:10:18,69
ten cents a foot. Because this is

1736
03:10:18,70 --> 03:10:22,65
a street reconstruction where the demolition
process is going to remove everything

1737
03:10:22,66 --> 03:10:27,15
in one mobilization and then sidewalk
contractors will come back in and form up the

1738
03:10:27,16 --> 03:10:33,71
new sidewalk the properties along both
corridors meaning River Street as well as

1739
03:10:33,72 --> 03:10:39,77
Milwaukee Street. Just the thirty dollars
per foot which is the same as any other

1740
03:10:39,78 --> 03:10:42,13
property owner in Janesville for

1741
03:10:42,14 --> 03:10:48,95
a new sidewalk the next slide. There's an
equity issue here that we talked about

1742
03:10:48,96 --> 03:10:50,21
briefly and is covered

1743
03:10:50,23 --> 03:10:55,39
a little bit more thorough in the memo and
so the concern that staff had was that

1744
03:10:55,40 --> 03:11:00,39
not following the policy or changing the
policy potentially impacts many properties

1745
03:11:00,69 --> 03:11:06,99
given the history. That the city has
had with treating property owners and

1746
03:11:06,99 --> 03:11:09,47
assessments related to sidewalks so

1747
03:11:09,48 --> 03:11:13,46
a very similar concern to what we're talking
about this evening regarding sidewalks

1748
03:11:13,71 --> 03:11:19,52
was raised in two thousand and ten regarding
replacement of curving daughter and

1749
03:11:19,53 --> 03:11:26,03
that particular instance was the street was
self OK ill north of court street that

1750
03:11:26,04 --> 03:11:30,21
was being reconstructed and in
two thousand and ten and it was

1751
03:11:30,22 --> 03:11:31,35
a total curb and got

1752
03:11:31,36 --> 03:11:36,87
a replacement and at that time the council
policies were to assess fifty percent of

1753
03:11:36,88 --> 03:11:42,67
the cost of the curb replacement and on the
night of the public hearing there were

1754
03:11:42,68 --> 03:11:42,91
quite

1755
03:11:42,92 --> 03:11:47,94
a few property owners that came in along
that street corridor and had recalled paying

1756
03:11:48,32 --> 03:11:54,04
some cost of curb replacement fifteen
years earlier when there was intermittent

1757
03:11:54,05 --> 03:11:56,30
curb and gutter replaced as part of

1758
03:11:56,31 --> 03:12:01,28
a street program unfortunately we were back
there to reconstruct that street within

1759
03:12:01,29 --> 03:12:05,49
a fifteen year time frame you know our
goal would be to get twenty five or thirty

1760
03:12:05,50 --> 03:12:09,13
years of life on residential
streets self vocal as more of

1761
03:12:09,14 --> 03:12:15,60
a collector Street has higher traffic. And
the Council on staff well that I think

1762
03:12:15,61 --> 03:12:22,11
the council kind of struggled with the again
the equity issue and and the policy of

1763
03:12:22,28 --> 03:12:28,30
how to treat those individuals and so there
were circumstances of. Property owners

1764
03:12:28,31 --> 03:12:32,93
there who had moved into that who had
purchased the property and moved into that

1765
03:12:33,25 --> 03:12:36,65
and their neighbors had told them you know
that your curb looks different you've

1766
03:12:36,66 --> 03:12:39,41
got a new curb an old
curb and so there was

1767
03:12:39,42 --> 03:12:43,15
a combination of long term residents
who had been there and had paid the

1768
03:12:43,16 --> 03:12:46,87
assessments out of pocket fifteen years
of marriage being asked for total

1769
03:12:46,88 --> 03:12:52,19
replacement there were new homeowners who
had not paid fifteen years earlier but

1770
03:12:53,10 --> 03:12:57,14
they felt that the the price they had paid
for the property you know reflected some

1771
03:12:57,15 --> 03:13:00,45
improvements that the that the prior
owner had paid and so there were just

1772
03:13:00,46 --> 03:13:05,01
a lot of circumstances there and ultimately
what the council decided was. The only

1773
03:13:05,02 --> 03:13:09,14
fair thing to do was probably to get out
of the assessment business and no longer

1774
03:13:09,15 --> 03:13:14,04
sussed fifty percent of the cost for current
go to the property owners lastly on

1775
03:13:14,05 --> 03:13:17,77
the equity issue is not treating all
property owners the same we believe will

1776
03:13:17,78 --> 03:13:18,04
create

1777
03:13:18,05 --> 03:13:25,02
a net in equity across the community
the next slide. Twenty eight hundred

1778
03:13:25,03 --> 03:13:29,38
sidewalk replacement to date between our
pride rides and our twelve mile strip

1779
03:13:29,39 --> 03:13:34,48
program we've already notified approximately
seven hundred property owners that

1780
03:13:34,49 --> 03:13:38,98
they have some portion of defect sidewalk
that will be addressed in two thousand

1781
03:13:38,99 --> 03:13:43,40
and eight hundred we need to think
about the sidewalk replacement on

1782
03:13:43,41 --> 03:13:48,46
a residential street reconstruction projects
because this exact same instance that

1783
03:13:48,47 --> 03:13:52,67
we just referred to in two thousand and ten
regarding current got to replace meant

1784
03:13:52,68 --> 03:13:57,73
where it was previously intermittent
select pieces replaced and then total

1785
03:13:57,74 --> 03:13:59,18
replacement as part of

1786
03:13:59,19 --> 03:14:03,57
a street reconstruction you know
that's going to happen. In residential

1787
03:14:03,58 --> 03:14:07,70
neighborhoods as well as the downtown. If
there are trees and those tree roots are

1788
03:14:07,71 --> 03:14:09,14
lifting sidewalks and creating

1789
03:14:09,84 --> 03:14:13,85
a trip Hazzard if there are other
circumstances that are over the create effect

1790
03:14:13,86 --> 03:14:20,72
sidewalk it's entirely possible and it
will be it will be factual that some of

1791
03:14:20,73 --> 03:14:27,24
those seven hundred property owners will
have. Paid to replace some portion of

1792
03:14:27,25 --> 03:14:32,29
their sidewalk and within five years it's
entirely possible to be back on their

1793
03:14:32,30 --> 03:14:35,87
court or forestry reconstruction. Prior to

1794
03:14:35,88 --> 03:14:40,10
a couple of years ago the city was typically
looking one year ahead on A Street

1795
03:14:40,11 --> 03:14:43,61
program and I'm pleased to
say that today we've got

1796
03:14:43,62 --> 03:14:48,03
a three year program and if we get much
beyond three years we're going to be using

1797
03:14:48,04 --> 03:14:53,71
really outdated data looking at those
pavement effects in order to prioritize you

1798
03:14:53,72 --> 03:14:57,39
know I guess what I'm saying is we can
plan three years ahead on A Street program

1799
03:14:57,64 --> 03:15:02,06
but time horizon of looking back and
reflecting on the last five years for sidewalk

1800
03:15:02,07 --> 03:15:05,81
effects I'm certain that we would be missing
people certainly some of those seven

1801
03:15:05,82 --> 03:15:11,87
hundred property owners if we do which
would put us in the same situation.

1802
03:15:13,16 --> 03:15:19,52
Lastly the sidewalk special sauce months
that the city typically assesses is

1803
03:15:19,53 --> 03:15:25,14
hundreds of thousands of dollars annually
and so we just need to think about if

1804
03:15:25,15 --> 03:15:29,63
we're going to change things how we can
be fair and equitable to all citizens all

1805
03:15:29,64 --> 03:15:34,13
property owners whether it's downtown on
residential streets or whatnot and if

1806
03:15:34,14 --> 03:15:34,57
there's going to be

1807
03:15:35,16 --> 03:15:40,37
a credit policy of some kind. Or an alternate
funding source that requires public

1808
03:15:40,38 --> 03:15:46,42
funding you know how we can afford to move
forward and and cover those costs next

1809
03:15:46,43 --> 03:15:52,49
slide please. So based on those points and
the other content in the model is the

1810
03:15:52,50 --> 03:15:56,39
staff's recommendation not to change the
language of the existing council policy

1811
03:15:56,40 --> 03:16:01,19
seventy which covers sidewalk construction
maintenance and assessment costs however

1812
03:16:01,20 --> 03:16:03,98
there was proposed language added as

1813
03:16:03,99 --> 03:16:08,53
a last paragraph using Track Changes in
the document itself and at this time I

1814
03:16:08,54 --> 03:16:13,58
would be happy to answer any questions that
the council has. Questions that might.

1815
03:16:15,94 --> 03:16:16,04
Have

1816
03:16:16,05 --> 03:16:21,99
a few hundred or. So it doesn't matter to me
right now if it's residential or commercial

1817
03:16:21,100 --> 03:16:25,100
or or downtown but. When

1818
03:16:26,01 --> 03:16:32,89
a sidewalk is ordered for the first time
the original owner pays for that put it

1819
03:16:32,90 --> 03:16:38,76
in that's correct and the new subdivision
the owner points event and that owner or

1820
03:16:38,88 --> 03:16:45,51
any current owners after that if the needs
to be repaired are maintained that the

1821
03:16:45,52 --> 03:16:51,70
owner of record yes that's correct now I
hesitated there only because we've got

1822
03:16:51,71 --> 03:16:53,22
a map called the P.T.C.

1823
03:16:53,23 --> 03:16:55,43
The pedestrian transportation
corridor plan that has

1824
03:16:55,44 --> 03:17:01,03
a number of different color codes to that
and so the initial sidewalk construction

1825
03:17:01,75 --> 03:17:05,38
is required prior to occupancy of the
home and so I'm not sure if it's the

1826
03:17:05,39 --> 03:17:08,03
homeowner that's paying for that or if
it's the home builder they're paying for

1827
03:17:08,04 --> 03:17:11,88
that or the developer but somebody is paying
for that initially out of pocket so I

1828
03:17:11,89 --> 03:17:18,47
would call that planned unfunded sidewalk
and then once that's constructed it is

1829
03:17:18,48 --> 03:17:22,80
the property owner's responsibility to
maintain that then in perpetuity if they

1830
03:17:22,81 --> 03:17:26,73
don't pay directly they'll pay it to the
developer so that no lot who paid for it

1831
03:17:26,74 --> 03:17:33,60
yep. But then once that sidewalk is up and
up it's needs to be pare it's on that

1832
03:17:33,61 --> 03:17:39,24
Colonel owner to repair it to bring it up
so it's compliant Yes that's correct if

1833
03:17:39,25 --> 03:17:44,03
the utility company coming through would
disturb that sidewalk because they want to

1834
03:17:44,07 --> 03:17:49,23
bury some new pipes or something and.
The retailer the company is required to

1835
03:17:49,35 --> 03:17:54,21
repair the sidewalk and bring it back to
original condition Yes That's also correct

1836
03:17:55,38 --> 03:18:02,04
so. If somebody decides to
come through and tear out

1837
03:18:02,05 --> 03:18:07,19
a perfectly good sidewalk
and replace it with

1838
03:18:07,20 --> 03:18:12,29
a new sidewalk whose responsibility
is it to paper that no sidewalks

1839
03:18:15,20 --> 03:18:19,21
I'm not sure I would tear out of I guess
I'm not sure what the circumstances would

1840
03:18:19,22 --> 03:18:21,74
be to tear out a perfectly
good site OK I'm going to take

1841
03:18:21,75 --> 03:18:23,98
a right now to reverse
street were doing doing

1842
03:18:23,99 --> 03:18:29,44
a festival street one could argue that
there is perfectly good sidewalks on that

1843
03:18:29,45 --> 03:18:35,42
street well they were paid for by somebody
and maintained by somebody and now

1844
03:18:35,67 --> 03:18:40,69
they're being disturbed not this time by
utility company but by the city Janesville

1845
03:18:40,69 --> 03:18:46,10
. For the benefit of the entire community
they're being replaced with something

1846
03:18:46,46 --> 03:18:52,43
more festival in this situation and
I'm trying to figure out in my mind

1847
03:18:54,17 --> 03:18:56,80
how we can justify tearing out

1848
03:18:56,81 --> 03:19:00,71
a perfectly good sidewalk to replace it
with another sidewalk and charging the

1849
03:19:00,72 --> 03:19:06,54
person that already has paid for that
sidewalk indirectly some way or another. And

1850
03:19:06,55 --> 03:19:13,42
I think that's the crux of where I'm
coming OK Good context so the issue so the

1851
03:19:13,43 --> 03:19:18,17
problem with the sidewalk in front of
seventeen cells. River Street is that it's

1852
03:19:18,18 --> 03:19:18,33
not

1853
03:19:18,34 --> 03:19:24,35
a perfectly good sidewalk. It violates the
Eighth standards and and therefore it's

1854
03:19:24,36 --> 03:19:27,96
not a perfectly good sidewalk so in
some portions of that we're two and

1855
03:19:27,97 --> 03:19:29,45
a half percent or two and

1856
03:19:29,46 --> 03:19:34,87
a half times the legal cross local that's
allowed and so that would be considered

1857
03:19:34,88 --> 03:19:39,53
a sidewalk effect and once we come on the
court or to reconstruct the entire record

1858
03:19:39,54 --> 03:19:42,39
or whether it's a festival
street or are not

1859
03:19:42,40 --> 03:19:48,09
a festival street we need to have serious
consideration to make that compliant with

1860
03:19:48,14 --> 03:19:50,06
with. What I think you're

1861
03:19:50,07 --> 03:19:55,76
a seventeen now if everybody.
Reversed court three to.

1862
03:19:57,61 --> 03:20:03,44
Walk the street are they all non-compliant
sidewalks or is there are some people in

1863
03:20:03,45 --> 03:20:08,46
there that have sidewalks that are compliant
we did check all the cross slopes and

1864
03:20:08,47 --> 03:20:13,83
I would I would say that probably eighty
percent is non-compliant with the cross so

1865
03:20:13,87 --> 03:20:17,25
in other words more than eighty percent
of the sidewalk exceeds to two percent

1866
03:20:17,26 --> 03:20:24,25
cross slope. So I'm using
your argument here and then

1867
03:20:24,29 --> 03:20:25,76
they should pay for that because it's

1868
03:20:25,77 --> 03:20:29,20
a noncompliance sidewalk and somehow or
another they're going to be ordered to

1869
03:20:29,21 --> 03:20:35,50
replace that sidewalk in the near future
Well I would say that I am applying the

1870
03:20:35,51 --> 03:20:41,87
council policy seventy creature area to the
circumstance yes I think other hands up

1871
03:20:41,88 --> 03:20:48,82
here over drug and.
When they had seventeen

1872
03:20:49,64 --> 03:20:52,98
River Street when they
replace that sidewalk was

1873
03:20:52,99 --> 03:20:59,16
a twenty fifteen the work was you were
they in violation of that cross slope then

1874
03:20:59,60 --> 03:21:06,55
at that time. The existing cross
slope. In twenty fifteen was probably

1875
03:21:06,56 --> 03:21:11,21
the same as it is today and so that would
have been non-compliant where they inform

1876
03:21:11,22 --> 03:21:15,26
that they were in compliance when they
were redoing other parts of the sidewalk

1877
03:21:15,27 --> 03:21:20,47
then. No because all they were doing is
addressing the trip hazard so there's

1878
03:21:20,48 --> 03:21:24,93
a provision in the eighty eight
protocols that when there's

1879
03:21:24,94 --> 03:21:29,27
a circumstance like what we had
where there's. Where there's

1880
03:21:29,28 --> 03:21:31,30
a public safety hazard or

1881
03:21:31,47 --> 03:21:36,44
a trip hazard we don't have to go out and
place and replace the entire block we can

1882
03:21:36,45 --> 03:21:42,16
just address the defect that
caused the issue. But there's

1883
03:21:42,17 --> 03:21:45,74
a different set of rules and different
set of circumstances when we're going to

1884
03:21:45,75 --> 03:21:51,63
spend. A significant amount of money to
redo the entire corridor now their words we

1885
03:21:51,64 --> 03:21:55,68
have an opportunity to get the whole street
correct and compliant at that point in

1886
03:21:55,69 --> 03:22:01,76
time and so that's that's what we're
proposing to do as part of the the upcoming

1887
03:22:01,77 --> 03:22:06,42
construction project so to use the kinds
of presidents analogy of this was if this

1888
03:22:06,43 --> 03:22:06,65
was in

1889
03:22:06,66 --> 03:22:11,88
a neighborhood and let's say utility was
going to come through and let's say you

1890
03:22:11,89 --> 03:22:17,35
know two years or a year. And rip up

1891
03:22:17,92 --> 03:22:22,15
a good chunk of the sidewalk
but they were in violation of

1892
03:22:22,17 --> 03:22:25,90
a trip hazard and that homeowners you
know much more place their whole section

1893
03:22:25,91 --> 03:22:31,61
there would we not tell them that this
is going to be ripped up again in

1894
03:22:31,63 --> 03:22:35,07
a very short period of time you wouldn't
you know if we knew that this was going to

1895
03:22:35,09 --> 03:22:39,66
happen. We wouldn't tell them that they're
about to replace sidewalk it's about to

1896
03:22:39,67 --> 03:22:44,33
be replaced again so if I understand you
you're saying under that under this

1897
03:22:44,34 --> 03:22:46,13
circumstance in a residential neighborhood

1898
03:22:46,38 --> 03:22:50,53
a utility company would be replacing some
sidewalk and a later date so there's

1899
03:22:50,54 --> 03:22:54,80
a trip hazard the homeowners are notified
of it and they go oh yeah we're going to

1900
03:22:54,81 --> 03:22:58,27
correct that but then we're asking to
replace some additional sidewalk because I

1901
03:22:58,28 --> 03:23:02,52
believe that's what happened at River Street
too is they didn't just do the trip as

1902
03:23:02,53 --> 03:23:06,90
if they did some additional work around
it when they went and corrected it so

1903
03:23:06,91 --> 03:23:10,46
applying that to the homeowner if they
did some additional work we wouldn't let

1904
03:23:10,47 --> 03:23:15,65
them know that it's so they're about to
have their sidewalk ripped up again by

1905
03:23:15,66 --> 03:23:20,78
a utility but then that would be paid for
and but in this instance were we allowed

1906
03:23:20,79 --> 03:23:24,41
them to repair more than what was done
and that would be due it needed to be

1907
03:23:24,93 --> 03:23:29,17
knowing that we were going to tell them
that hey you're non-compliant we're going

1908
03:23:29,18 --> 03:23:33,25
to require you to repair it fix it well the
the corrective action that was taken in

1909
03:23:33,26 --> 03:23:37,08
two thousand and fifteen he only addressed
the specific defects that right and if I

1910
03:23:37,09 --> 03:23:40,66
had which was that settlement at the
foundation which was the cause of the trip

1911
03:23:40,67 --> 03:23:44,63
hazard so he didn't replace He didn't do
any additional work beyond correcting the

1912
03:23:44,64 --> 03:23:51,07
minimum required to address the
public safety hazard. If I

1913
03:23:51,08 --> 03:23:57,81
follow your logic if we are if there's
a a a trip hazard for calling that

1914
03:23:57,82 --> 03:23:58,49
a trip hazard on

1915
03:23:58,50 --> 03:24:02,92
a residential street and we know that we're
going to be there in the next two or

1916
03:24:02,93 --> 03:24:06,58
three years we would talk to
them we would try and find

1917
03:24:06,59 --> 03:24:09,63
a creative solution there
but did we do that with

1918
03:24:09,64 --> 03:24:14,41
a business owner at seventeen River Street
at the time that we notified him we

1919
03:24:14,42 --> 03:24:21,36
hadn't programmed the reconstruction of
River Street did we know we were going to

1920
03:24:21,37 --> 03:24:24,53
be doing something on restraining although
it's been it's been talked about for

1921
03:24:24,54 --> 03:24:26,39
a long period of time as part of

1922
03:24:26,40 --> 03:24:32,59
a rise was that I think it's fair to
say that. That the strategic plan had

1923
03:24:32,60 --> 03:24:33,05
identified

1924
03:24:33,06 --> 03:24:39,94
a project in twenty one thousand.
And. As circumstances had it there

1925
03:24:39,95 --> 03:24:46,86
was because we essentially needed to allow
the contractor to get in we thought

1926
03:24:46,90 --> 03:24:51,74
we needed the contractor to get into the
Rock River to do this the boardwalk for

1927
03:24:51,75 --> 03:24:58,26
the Arise plan we wanted to keep We wanted
to preserve the south southeast quadrant

1928
03:24:58,27 --> 03:25:03,68
of the former parking Plaza location and
so we switched projects and then expedited

1929
03:25:03,69 --> 03:25:10,52
the River Street Corridor So back in twenty
one thousand I'm not sure that that we

1930
03:25:10,53 --> 03:25:15,05
knew what was happening on River Street
so what regardless if we did or we didn't

1931
03:25:15,20 --> 03:25:18,71
we didn't communicate that to the to the
property owner and I think that was

1932
03:25:18,96 --> 03:25:22,63
a definite breakdown in the communication
but also too when they were correct in

1933
03:25:22,63 --> 03:25:27,40
that initial trip would that have potentially
save them some cost if they would

1934
03:25:27,40 --> 03:25:31,61
have married fixing the trip hazard with
what they were at the time still I guess

1935
03:25:31,90 --> 03:25:36,65
in violation of the grading Well the problem
with that is the only way that you can

1936
03:25:36,65 --> 03:25:37,19
correct

1937
03:25:37,22 --> 03:25:44,28
a. Across slope that exceeds.
The minimum standard

1938
03:25:44,59 --> 03:25:49,12
is essentially to go block corner to block
corner and so it really wouldn't have

1939
03:25:49,13 --> 03:25:54,45
made any sense for the property owner at
seventeen South River Street to correct

1940
03:25:54,46 --> 03:25:58,57
his hundred twenty feet and then transition
at his property line at the alley there

1941
03:25:59,22 --> 03:26:04,48
between his property and property to the
north which is the school district and

1942
03:26:04,49 --> 03:26:05,58
then transitioning back to

1943
03:26:05,59 --> 03:26:12,22
a to an excessively steep crossflow
So I think though we're I'm coming

1944
03:26:12,23 --> 03:26:14,03
from and I think we're

1945
03:26:14,40 --> 03:26:20,76
a couple people are is we had some
work done we're claiming that

1946
03:26:21,30 --> 03:26:24,65
now currently they're in violation but
at the same time when this were going on

1947
03:26:24,66 --> 03:26:31,63
they were still in violation of
it. And. I guess that's why I'm

1948
03:26:31,67 --> 03:26:32,22
I'm having

1949
03:26:32,23 --> 03:26:38,36
a hard time. Now requiring them to pay for
it again and that's why I would like to

1950
03:26:38,37 --> 03:26:43,89
come up with some kind of grievance procedure
that works for all of us. Because I

1951
03:26:43,90 --> 03:26:46,99
do think something needs to be rectified
here and all that that was what was talked

1952
03:26:47,00 --> 03:26:51,73
about when initially this was passed when
that property owner was here was that

1953
03:26:51,74 --> 03:26:52,75
we're going to go back and figure out

1954
03:26:52,76 --> 03:26:58,04
a grievance procedure for him to
go through. Because I I myself and

1955
03:26:58,05 --> 03:27:04,39
a lot of community members do have an
issue with with Troy doing this to

1956
03:27:04,40 --> 03:27:11,33
a business owner or property owner.
Especially in downtown we were trying to

1957
03:27:11,66 --> 03:27:14,67
do are trying trying our
hardest to really make it

1958
03:27:14,68 --> 03:27:20,15
a positive environment for people to come
down there and be and we treat property

1959
03:27:20,16 --> 03:27:25,40
owners in my opinion so poorly in this
instance so I would that would be my my

1960
03:27:25,41 --> 03:27:28,13
comments but thank you so much for answering
questions you know fantastic job.

1961
03:27:29,93 --> 03:27:36,66
Williams. And then when you walk the

1962
03:27:36,67 --> 03:27:37,86
street gets redone in

1963
03:27:37,87 --> 03:27:44,37
a couple of years. We'll
doobs have to redo their

1964
03:27:44,38 --> 03:27:48,86
sidewalk in front of doob's or do we know
at this point well doobs falls in the

1965
03:27:48,87 --> 03:27:51,01
segment that's going to be the D.O.T.

1966
03:27:51,02 --> 03:27:57,79
Project starting this October and
finishing up next summer so doobs

1967
03:27:57,80 --> 03:28:02,69
falls in that segment they are east of the
River St intersection so that's part of

1968
03:28:02,70 --> 03:28:08,83
the D O T project and so yes that's going
to be redone as part of that project the

1969
03:28:08,84 --> 03:28:13,34
Asian Beast which is located west of
River Street and would be in that twenty

1970
03:28:13,35 --> 03:28:17,70
twenty reconstruction of West Milwaukee
Street they would fall in the same in the

1971
03:28:17,71 --> 03:28:23,73
same category as jewelry OK and who's
going to pay for that sidewalk redone in

1972
03:28:23,74 --> 03:28:27,65
front of doob's or Asian.
Beeston because it's

1973
03:28:27,66 --> 03:28:31,93
a full concrete terrace essentially from
the curb to the building the city is

1974
03:28:31,94 --> 03:28:36,09
subsidizing the cost meaning the property
owner would be assessed five feet because

1975
03:28:36,10 --> 03:28:42,40
that's standard protocol with the
council's. Council policy on sidewalks

1976
03:28:42,91 --> 03:28:47,61
so and then everything else that's concrete
is basically subsidize are paid by the

1977
03:28:47,62 --> 03:28:53,40
cities so doobs new sidewalk is going to
be tore up and they're going to have to

1978
03:28:53,41 --> 03:28:57,25
pay for it again oh yeah it was twenty two
point eight feet or something like that

1979
03:28:58,26 --> 03:29:02,36
by being right you know right
correct but still it's yes.

1980
03:29:05,35 --> 03:29:12,29
Do you know if any other cities.
That sidewalks are paid for out of

1981
03:29:12,30 --> 03:29:18,62
the general under are not assessed
to the property owners. There was

1982
03:29:18,63 --> 03:29:20,16
a there was

1983
03:29:20,17 --> 03:29:26,84
a study that. That I recently looked
at that indicated that approximately

1984
03:29:27,04 --> 03:29:30,89
approximately forty to forty five percent
of communities assess some or all

1985
03:29:30,93 --> 03:29:36,22
sidewalk costs and to me that would so I
think if I look at that at the inverse I

1986
03:29:36,23 --> 03:29:41,47
would say probably fifty five percent have
some type of transportation utility or

1987
03:29:41,80 --> 03:29:47,34
general tax base or some other means of
you know bit district or to for something

1988
03:29:47,35 --> 03:29:54,33
that's paying for for those
improvements so even though these

1989
03:29:55,02 --> 03:30:00,26
sidewalks on River Street between corded
Malaki I've got this straight are

1990
03:30:02,24 --> 03:30:05,31
a lot of them are some of
them are non-compliant with

1991
03:30:05,32 --> 03:30:10,36
a DA. In till you are going to do

1992
03:30:10,87 --> 03:30:17,75
a major project they can stay compliant
That's correct so because the city is doing

1993
03:30:17,76 --> 03:30:21,07
a major project they know it
they have to be addressed yes.

1994
03:30:27,02 --> 03:30:32,91
And I'm also looking at this is this
festival street. At times it's going to be

1995
03:30:32,98 --> 03:30:37,97
closed to traffic correct that's
my understanding yes it's

1996
03:30:37,98 --> 03:30:43,73
a plane so you know we talk about setting

1997
03:30:43,74 --> 03:30:50,13
a precedent I think we if we wanted
to narrow this down so much that

1998
03:30:50,57 --> 03:30:56,84
it doesn't really cover everybody else
that this is a special circumstances it's

1999
03:30:56,85 --> 03:31:03,76
a street that is going to be closed for
certain events in you know we're doing this

2000
03:31:03,80 --> 03:31:06,52
to the business owner
down there they've got

2001
03:31:06,53 --> 03:31:11,83
a problem but it doesn't need to be fixed
until somebody pokes at it and we're

2002
03:31:11,84 --> 03:31:18,40
booking it so. Well what it would be
the additional cost to do we know.

2003
03:31:19,75 --> 03:31:26,68
If this was not us to the building
owners. On those the owners yes

2004
03:31:26,69 --> 03:31:30,25
on the list it be about fifty two thousand
dollars that the city would have to fund

2005
03:31:30,80 --> 03:31:37,51
on the two corridors the. River
St The assessments totaled thirty

2006
03:31:37,52 --> 03:31:41,65
thousand nine hundred thirty dollars and
on Milwaukee Street they totaled twenty

2007
03:31:41,66 --> 03:31:44,75
one thousand eight hundred seventy dollars
so it's about fifty two thousand eight

2008
03:31:44,76 --> 03:31:51,38
hundred yes on based on the
council action two meetings ago

2009
03:31:51,56 --> 03:31:56,87
yes. The Milwaukee at the Main Street
Project which is I'm just talking River

2010
03:31:56,88 --> 03:32:02,56
Street OK just River Street the total cost
of that was thirty thousand one hundred

2011
03:32:02,57 --> 03:32:07,94
thirty dollars That's the thirty dollars
per linear foot times the assessable from

2012
03:32:07,95 --> 03:32:13,53
edge. I'm done for no.

2013
03:32:17,38 --> 03:32:22,07
Money can go so can you explain
a little bit about this. Eighty

2014
03:32:22,09 --> 03:32:28,78
a requirement was this. I'm
vegan so the contractor

2015
03:32:29,41 --> 03:32:34,29
should they have been aware that or I guess
I'm trying to I'm kind of struggling

2016
03:32:34,94 --> 03:32:41,44
was this incompetent work or not somebody
didn't give the right specs or how did

2017
03:32:41,45 --> 03:32:46,09
that happen do you think you know these
these sidewalks are probably decades old on

2018
03:32:46,10 --> 03:32:50,09
River Street I'm not sure how long ago
it was probably far more like a Ph D.

2019
03:32:50,13 --> 03:32:54,13
I believe that is correct OK OK it was not

2020
03:32:54,14 --> 03:32:59,50
a case of where the city directed the
tractor to do in the dinner well and

2021
03:32:59,51 --> 03:33:04,94
unfortunately this circumstance isn't
unique to South River St You know we like

2022
03:33:04,95 --> 03:33:09,37
many many other communities not only in
Wisconsin but in the United States where

2023
03:33:09,55 --> 03:33:14,12
the Department of Justice oversees
administration of the compliance with A.T.A.I.

2024
03:33:14,93 --> 03:33:21,86
Many many of our. Sidewalks situation
is exceeding the crossflow OK but we're

2025
03:33:21,87 --> 03:33:25,86
not required to go in and correct that
and make those changes and that's for

2026
03:33:25,87 --> 03:33:31,02
reconstructing and starting over for the
entire corridor OK So when we're just

2027
03:33:31,03 --> 03:33:34,61
milling in overlength streets if there
trip hazards we can replace one or two or

2028
03:33:34,61 --> 03:33:35,13
three squares

2029
03:33:35,14 --> 03:33:39,49
a sidewalk and put those back in exceeding
the cross though because it's just cost

2030
03:33:39,50 --> 03:33:44,26
prohibitive to replace all the sidewalk
for the entire block to correct the issue

2031
03:33:44,61 --> 03:33:47,42
right thank you.

2032
03:33:56,15 --> 03:34:02,32
On this particular issue we're focusing
in. On Fortunately one property owners.

2033
03:34:03,53 --> 03:34:09,85
Grievance. And I guess there's
nothing wrong with that

2034
03:34:10,41 --> 03:34:12,33
we're trying to address perhaps

2035
03:34:12,34 --> 03:34:18,88
a solution for that individual that has
the potential to active. Touching on the

2036
03:34:18,89 --> 03:34:25,27
lives of just about every other resident
of the city Janesville. Either through an

2037
03:34:25,28 --> 03:34:30,76
appeal process. That at a minimum
would add additional costs to

2038
03:34:30,77 --> 03:34:37,63
a general fund that sold pretty
strapped. I listen to the argument

2039
03:34:37,69 --> 03:34:44,50
that festival street. Is going
to be shut down on occasion

2040
03:34:44,51 --> 03:34:46,80
and for its purpose as

2041
03:34:46,81 --> 03:34:52,67
a festival street that's not going to
change the current practice of closing down

2042
03:34:52,71 --> 03:34:58,61
other streets particularly the downtown
area for us of and special occasions.

2043
03:35:00,76 --> 03:35:05,67
Or Or am I wrong on that promise I believe
you are accurate I am accurate on the

2044
03:35:05,68 --> 03:35:10,66
sure that I have been to New to close down
other streets within towns so help me

2045
03:35:10,67 --> 03:35:17,64
understand though if you could Mike.
We have the A.D.A.'s issue and we have

2046
03:35:17,65 --> 03:35:23,85
the trip hazard issue and the only way
to address the trip hazard issue is on

2047
03:35:23,86 --> 03:35:30,86
a property by property basis and and do
temporary fixes that would would hopefully

2048
03:35:30,87 --> 03:35:35,15
overcome that trip issue the
slope issue four hundred eighty

2049
03:35:35,16 --> 03:35:41,83
a perspective you need to address much
larger stretch of sidewalk in order to

2050
03:35:42,68 --> 03:35:47,60
make those repairs necessary to ensure
we're compliant with eighty eight is the

2051
03:35:47,65 --> 03:35:51,28
first statement that is a
fair statement we have

2052
03:35:51,29 --> 03:35:56,59
a policy in place that
were better for worse.

2053
03:35:59,19 --> 03:36:00,21
Doesn't include

2054
03:36:00,22 --> 03:36:06,63
a grievance procedure right
correct. And in my mind's eye

2055
03:36:07,37 --> 03:36:08,88
if we impose

2056
03:36:08,89 --> 03:36:13,48
a grievance procedure then I would only
be comfortable with that grievance

2057
03:36:13,49 --> 03:36:20,42
procedure applied to. Every sidewalk
situation residential commercial or

2058
03:36:20,43 --> 03:36:26,12
industrial within the entirety of the city
of Jamesville you know over To be fair

2059
03:36:26,13 --> 03:36:32,96
to old taxpayers within the city.
On the other hand if we were to

2060
03:36:33,44 --> 03:36:40,21
move. The process of funding any
sidewalk improvements through the

2061
03:36:40,22 --> 03:36:45,91
general fund or are there other mechanisms
out there that we could use that would

2062
03:36:45,92 --> 03:36:46,32
create

2063
03:36:46,33 --> 03:36:53,13
a I don't know transportation
district or. Residential site walk

2064
03:36:53,14 --> 03:36:58,90
improvement district or how much latitude
do we actually have been ordered to

2065
03:36:58,91 --> 03:37:05,78
address that type of change to our
circumstance and I'm not sure if we

2066
03:37:05,79 --> 03:37:10,04
would be allowed at this point with the
changes in state law to create new

2067
03:37:10,05 --> 03:37:14,98
utilities because of the saying attacks
attacks attacks are going to get one way or

2068
03:37:14,99 --> 03:37:18,30
another I believe that's not
prohibited that was discussed

2069
03:37:18,91 --> 03:37:22,36
a number of years ago meaning four or five
years ago communities started to think

2070
03:37:22,37 --> 03:37:26,89
about how they can diversify the revenue
sources and nobody likes to be specially

2071
03:37:26,90 --> 03:37:30,27
assessed for something specifically in front
of their property and kind of roll the

2072
03:37:30,28 --> 03:37:35,39
dice that way and I think the legislature
legislature put something in place to

2073
03:37:35,40 --> 03:37:39,79
prohibit generating additional revenue
fees and I believe there are even some

2074
03:37:39,80 --> 03:37:44,25
limits on wheel Texas at this point if you
didn't have a will taxes stablished by

2075
03:37:44,26 --> 03:37:49,25
a certain date because that was the direction
that many many communities and and

2076
03:37:49,49 --> 03:37:53,86
and counties won or going there's no
limitations that communities that didn't have

2077
03:37:53,87 --> 03:37:54,48
that in place by

2078
03:37:54,49 --> 03:38:00,55
a certain date can no longer do that
without giving up some type of. REVENUE.

2079
03:38:01,65 --> 03:38:02,31
So from

2080
03:38:02,32 --> 03:38:08,96
a practical perspective could under
him we find ourselves. We can

2081
03:38:09,22 --> 03:38:14,18
modify existing council policy
seventy for purposes of creating

2082
03:38:14,19 --> 03:38:19,39
a grievance procedure that narrowly
defined would address just those downtown

2083
03:38:19,40 --> 03:38:26,15
projects streets which I would find
objectionable if I've lived on any of the

2084
03:38:26,16 --> 03:38:32,90
streets that are undergoing. Reconstruction
in residential areas or business

2085
03:38:32,91 --> 03:38:38,51
corridors of site of that territory in the
city that would require in order to do

2086
03:38:38,52 --> 03:38:45,17
a project completely some level of sidewalk
replacement and at the same time we're

2087
03:38:45,28 --> 03:38:50,59
caught in the dilemma of having to deal
with the fact that we've got two different

2088
03:38:50,60 --> 03:38:57,50
sets of standards that we're trying
to enforce. The slope requirements

2089
03:38:57,51 --> 03:39:02,84
and eighty eight requirements. That
both have different implications.

2090
03:39:04,73 --> 03:39:05,86
I'm not certain from

2091
03:39:05,87 --> 03:39:11,17
a public policy perspective we
really want to open that can of.

2092
03:39:13,74 --> 03:39:20,63
Of new issues. Time and to
be very hesitant to. To.

2093
03:39:23,27 --> 03:39:23,63
See

2094
03:39:23,63 --> 03:39:30,29
a change to our council policy number seventy
that isn't all inclusive of all property

2095
03:39:30,30 --> 03:39:35,81
owners irrespective of the zoning for
that property across the city. Because I

2096
03:39:35,83 --> 03:39:39,59
believe in the equity issue
and at the same time I have

2097
03:39:39,59 --> 03:39:44,94
a great sensitivity to some individual
property owners in the downtown area that.

2098
03:39:48,01 --> 03:39:53,42
They have partially corrected or totally
corrected issues within the last five

2099
03:39:53,43 --> 03:39:58,92
years and are going to be faced with
special assessments as we deal with the

2100
03:39:58,93 --> 03:40:05,87
replacement part assessed back to the
property owner of sidewalks that in

2101
03:40:05,88 --> 03:40:11,80
addition to the original issues that
they may have had to correct by city or.

2102
03:40:13,31 --> 03:40:18,95
Fixing other issues that are
equally as important. I'm

2103
03:40:21,09 --> 03:40:27,85
going to have difficulty changing our
policy. From what it exists today and for

2104
03:40:27,86 --> 03:40:34,22
that reason I'm going
to move to adopt. Steps

2105
03:40:34,23 --> 03:40:38,33
recommendation related related to council
policy statement number seven to

2106
03:40:43,21 --> 03:40:45,51
I'll second that for discussion

2107
03:40:50,64 --> 03:40:52,79
so I want it so we have a motion by

2108
03:40:52,80 --> 03:40:58,71
a number Gruber to follow the steps recommended
and which is no changes and affect

2109
03:40:58,72 --> 03:41:05,71
anybody else member and everything else no
not at this time that's not my family so

2110
03:41:05,72 --> 03:41:12,48
I want to understand. Why this proposed
amendment to the policy is only for

2111
03:41:12,49 --> 03:41:18,29
a certain area of the downtown is it not
possible to extend that throughout the

2112
03:41:18,30 --> 03:41:22,88
whole community it would be possible to
extend that to the whole community I

2113
03:41:23,20 --> 03:41:27,46
believe that the direction given away as
for the downtown businesses and not being

2114
03:41:27,50 --> 03:41:31,94
friendly to the downtown businesses might
my only and I agree that if you're going

2115
03:41:31,95 --> 03:41:32,17
to have

2116
03:41:32,18 --> 03:41:37,10
a policy you probably should be able to
you know treat everyone across community

2117
03:41:37,15 --> 03:41:43,15
the same. My concern for my staff perspective
is seven hundred folks that we've

2118
03:41:43,16 --> 03:41:47,69
already notified I mean
this is potentially. Is

2119
03:41:47,70 --> 03:41:54,67
a very very big project to manage on an
annual basis track of the fine details but

2120
03:41:54,67 --> 03:41:58,78
. The council starts the
policy and as staff will find

2121
03:41:58,79 --> 03:42:04,84
a way to comply with that we can't but we
certainly can change you know we could we

2122
03:42:04,85 --> 03:42:11,19
could remove the geometric or the
geographic restriction. If that's what the

2123
03:42:11,20 --> 03:42:17,86
council wishes to do and it still requires
the taxpayer to go through the procedure

2124
03:42:17,90 --> 03:42:23,11
and the renumeration is only twenty five
percent of their costs right we're not so

2125
03:42:23,12 --> 03:42:27,35
that's what was that's what I proposed again
as the council sets policy that could

2126
03:42:27,36 --> 03:42:30,57
be anywhere from zero to one hundred percent
how did you come up with the twenty

2127
03:42:30,58 --> 03:42:34,87
five percent. It was just

2128
03:42:34,88 --> 03:42:40,83
a starting point OK so there's no scientific
basis for that I guess within five

2129
03:42:40,84 --> 03:42:45,77
years they certainly got some some use
out of it they did there there are their

2130
03:42:45,78 --> 03:42:49,48
part in correcting the defect to make it
safe for the public in that first five

2131
03:42:49,49 --> 03:42:54,70
years but which is which is important I
mean we want these steps illiterates to be

2132
03:42:55,20 --> 03:42:58,81
fixed as soon as possible
eighty year old mother fell on

2133
03:42:58,82 --> 03:43:03,84
a sidewalk not too long ago and it's not
fun when you're eighty years old when you

2134
03:43:03,85 --> 03:43:05,46
fall and trip on

2135
03:43:05,47 --> 03:43:08,58
a sidewalk so it's important that these
things are taken care of right away and I

2136
03:43:08,59 --> 03:43:12,56
do want to commend the city I called in
they were out there within twenty four

2137
03:43:12,57 --> 03:43:17,34
hours and there's temporary fix on that
piece of sidewalk so thank you that was

2138
03:43:17,35 --> 03:43:24,17
good. Like I I actually

2139
03:43:24,18 --> 03:43:30,88
kind of like the idea of having
some form of payback to folks who

2140
03:43:31,42 --> 03:43:36,14
have put money into their sidewalks because
it's unsafe and then we go and tear all

2141
03:43:36,14 --> 03:43:40,63
up and they have to do it all over again I
thought twenty five percent was probably

2142
03:43:40,64 --> 03:43:46,65
a fair. Amount To be honest with
you it's it's not the whole thing

2143
03:43:47,47 --> 03:43:51,70
but it's something that we can get back to
have any idea I don't like if we were to

2144
03:43:51,71 --> 03:43:57,23
implement this today what it
might cost city for this year.

2145
03:43:58,71 --> 03:44:05,69
Did you do any of that. What it might cost
the city for this year so aside from the

2146
03:44:05,70 --> 03:44:10,95
property at seven hundred South River Street
and aside from dupes jewelry those two

2147
03:44:10,96 --> 03:44:16,50
automatically fall in that category we
didn't find anybody on Main Street. But city

2148
03:44:16,51 --> 03:44:20,08
Why do you have Yeah citywide Well we would
have to do is we would have to we would

2149
03:44:20,09 --> 03:44:25,34
have to cross-reference the corridors
that were reconstructing in eighteen with

2150
03:44:25,44 --> 03:44:31,15
those properties that may have had sidewalk
orders within the previous five years

2151
03:44:31,16 --> 03:44:35,64
and that's not something that we looked at
without doing some research on that I I

2152
03:44:35,65 --> 03:44:41,11
couldn't tell you how complex of an answer
that would be or what the financial

2153
03:44:44,18 --> 03:44:47,93
value of that would be I don't feel like
I could go through that not knowing what

2154
03:44:47,93 --> 03:44:54,93
the dollars would be but I do think my
warrant further thought about making

2155
03:44:54,93 --> 03:45:01,53
some sort of grievance policy like you
know the area that it's defined here

2156
03:45:01,54 --> 03:45:07,71
remains free courts treat Academy and center
away either on the other street record

2157
03:45:08,04 --> 03:45:13,48
reconstruction projects projects planned
other than what we know about on the West

2158
03:45:13,49 --> 03:45:18,70
walk the street in River Street there are
other streets that are in the know say in

2159
03:45:18,71 --> 03:45:25,57
the next five to ten hours.
Not that I'm aware of and

2160
03:45:25,58 --> 03:45:26,82
certainly not and Mark has

2161
03:45:26,83 --> 03:45:33,16
a comment abs East Milwaukee are we doing
east Milwaukee from Maine up to Atwood in

2162
03:45:33,20 --> 03:45:40,06
either two thousand and twenty one or
twenty two twenty two OK so if we change

2163
03:45:40,07 --> 03:45:45,39
this we could if we adopted this one here
are the posts in the motion we would want

2164
03:45:45,40 --> 03:45:48,45
to include change our boundaries

2165
03:45:48,46 --> 03:45:55,33
a little bit right. I'm thinking
that the downtown the rise

2166
03:45:55,34 --> 03:46:00,91
program is chance of putting its best face
forward just to our residents but to our

2167
03:46:00,92 --> 03:46:04,51
visitors that are coming here and we're
saying come here you're going to have

2168
03:46:04,52 --> 03:46:07,79
a great experience you're going to. Have

2169
03:46:07,80 --> 03:46:12,86
a time of your life you're going to have
some places to shop some places to enjoy

2170
03:46:12,87 --> 03:46:13,77
yourself some places

2171
03:46:13,78 --> 03:46:19,21
a drink and some places to just hang out
and check out all the festivals down there

2172
03:46:19,56 --> 03:46:26,18
so that's our front yard this is our
our our big stage and I think it's in

2173
03:46:26,51 --> 03:46:32,47
Portland that we can get our businesses
that are in this area to get it at Spirit

2174
03:46:32,48 --> 03:46:37,96
and improve their properties also. You
want to have nice looking buildings down

2175
03:46:37,97 --> 03:46:40,13
there and it's going to
take time and so on take

2176
03:46:40,23 --> 03:46:46,69
a beige and I have no problem at
all with the. With the council

2177
03:46:46,70 --> 03:46:53,45
policy is as drafted here as long as
we include. Areas that would include

2178
03:46:54,08 --> 03:46:59,71
walk the street in any other street that
in this area that's defined by that we

2179
03:46:59,72 --> 03:47:06,69
would do. The paid eight hundred dollars
for one in seven hundred sixty four

2180
03:47:07,01 --> 03:47:12,36
to do a replacement that they did if they
knew this was coming and they want to do

2181
03:47:12,37 --> 03:47:15,13
a grind or a patch they probably what

2182
03:47:15,14 --> 03:47:20,49
a spent about three quarters of that money
to do the pad face they saved about

2183
03:47:20,50 --> 03:47:27,26
twenty five percent in my mind doing what
they did so the reimbursement is not

2184
03:47:27,27 --> 03:47:31,61
probably as much as they
want but it's. It's. It's

2185
03:47:31,62 --> 03:47:38,55
a good start. And it's basically self defined
if we're going to replace the streets

2186
03:47:38,56 --> 03:47:40,60
within five years this is basically

2187
03:47:40,61 --> 03:47:44,42
a small window to get this
thing moving work or replacing

2188
03:47:44,43 --> 03:47:48,18
a lot of things downtown trying to make
it nice and yet we're nickel and dime and

2189
03:47:48,19 --> 03:47:54,26
all over this here and. I want to be safe
I don't want people have trip hazards

2190
03:47:54,91 --> 03:48:00,49
initially so do what you have to do in
your twenty five percent back and I'll be

2191
03:48:00,50 --> 03:48:05,62
over in in the five year period so I don't
see a problem with this I think it's

2192
03:48:06,06 --> 03:48:10,60
a step in the right direction to encourage
downtown property owners still to get

2193
03:48:10,61 --> 03:48:14,21
with the program and move forward because
that is the private part of the public

2194
03:48:14,22 --> 03:48:20,83
private agreement that we're moving forward
with as my two cents is that emotion to

2195
03:48:20,84 --> 03:48:21,52
the markets on

2196
03:48:21,53 --> 03:48:26,27
a farm to San region where I don't think
not that I don't think you're willing to

2197
03:48:26,61 --> 03:48:31,54
adjust your money and that. There's an
amendment that's offered I'm willing to

2198
03:48:31,55 --> 03:48:34,12
consider a home and say that's

2199
03:48:34,13 --> 03:48:37,89
a sale we want to the streets
Court Street to Atwood.

2200
03:48:41,46 --> 03:48:47,64
Down walk the street so we have a
kind of a life that we can have

2201
03:48:47,65 --> 03:48:52,13
a map that you know map that are
seeing that it shows everyone rise.

2202
03:48:59,42 --> 03:49:05,78
In copper in corporate on the streets not
really question I would have liked I

2203
03:49:05,79 --> 03:49:07,07
guess all the way to your There's

2204
03:49:07,08 --> 03:49:12,97
a second to that I'm in. The first as

2205
03:49:12,98 --> 03:49:17,99
a way to reference to include that area I
would reference that instead of trying to

2206
03:49:18,37 --> 03:49:21,46
sit here and in my mind trying to think
of one streets to include and not to

2207
03:49:21,47 --> 03:49:26,85
include You're saying that I could see
the pretty much the whole how about the

2208
03:49:26,86 --> 03:49:31,80
business effects of the big district cover
that the biggest effect that doesn't go

2209
03:49:31,81 --> 03:49:36,47
all the way of course retail. If you're
if you're going to propose that what I

2210
03:49:36,48 --> 03:49:43,13
would propose would be covering the entire
entirety of thirty six because that

2211
03:49:43,14 --> 03:49:44,38
offers an opportunity as

2212
03:49:44,39 --> 03:49:50,51
a means to finance what we're going to
have to get good at so we will. We would

2213
03:49:50,52 --> 03:49:53,27
create a grievance procedure to allow

2214
03:49:53,28 --> 03:49:57,55
a property owner who was ordered by the
city to repair sidewalks within five years

2215
03:49:57,56 --> 03:49:57,67
of

2216
03:49:57,68 --> 03:50:04,65
a street reconstruction progress in the area
defined as Ted thirty thirty thirty six

2217
03:50:04,65 --> 03:50:09,04
. To submit a written request
and for ten to receive

2218
03:50:09,05 --> 03:50:13,26
a twenty five percent reimbursement of
the amount previously paid any property

2219
03:50:13,27 --> 03:50:16,61
owner seeking consideration of
a reimbursement shall provide

2220
03:50:16,62 --> 03:50:18,44
a written statement of the circumstance in

2221
03:50:18,45 --> 03:50:22,85
a proof that they paid for sidewalk
replacement cost within the above defined

2222
03:50:23,22 --> 03:50:27,57
boundary within five years of the city
opening bids for reconstruction we

2223
03:50:27,58 --> 03:50:30,53
constructing a street as
outlined in section seven B.

2224
03:50:30,54 --> 03:50:37,30
Three of the policy intent is
we define an area when I'm just

2225
03:50:37,83 --> 03:50:44,56
that's. Your. We have a second
my thinking as we defined

2226
03:50:44,57 --> 03:50:49,88
a time frame we can either that or Merlin
stretching Who is your second for.

2227
03:50:51,77 --> 03:50:58,70
So give it to so so calmly.
Would find it we will find

2228
03:50:58,71 --> 03:51:05,64
a time frame when we define. Some amount
of money to go back and we framing it in

2229
03:51:05,65 --> 03:51:06,95
the sense that this is part of

2230
03:51:06,96 --> 03:51:13,26
a downtown project so part of the
Arise project that we didn't

2231
03:51:13,27 --> 03:51:19,67
anticipate. The inflexible tool listen to
the property owners down there and give

2232
03:51:19,68 --> 03:51:19,85
them

2233
03:51:19,86 --> 03:51:25,48
a little bit really on this until the project
is finally done in by whatever years

2234
03:51:25,49 --> 03:51:26,79
it takes that's all.

2235
03:51:32,31 --> 03:51:38,25
Sure. Take out anybody's concern that we
could stretch just so out the city and

2236
03:51:38,71 --> 03:51:44,58
people would be upset if they lived on
Dorchester dry which just doesn't have

2237
03:51:44,59 --> 03:51:51,30
sidewalks by the. Tens of
the motion of those. Two

2238
03:51:51,51 --> 03:51:58,21
sure. The costs associated to the
city for such appeals are proceeds

2239
03:51:58,25 --> 03:52:05,14
of what is generated in. Thirty
six it can be basically I

2240
03:52:05,15 --> 03:52:06,56
was reading exactly you know what

2241
03:52:06,57 --> 03:52:12,04
a fit he had written so however they were
going to bring in birth twenty five. If

2242
03:52:12,05 --> 03:52:16,87
you wish to we could add that to what you
know would be one of my desires that at

2243
03:52:16,88 --> 03:52:21,06
least gives us a funding
source for what is going to be

2244
03:52:21,07 --> 03:52:25,49
a long term City liability if you wish to
amend it I would be welcomed and I would

2245
03:52:25,50 --> 03:52:27,92
have well yeah and with over that is

2246
03:52:27,93 --> 03:52:32,66
a live in MN to the amendment after funds
for reimbursement would come from that

2247
03:52:32,67 --> 03:52:35,77
very thing so the president could I ask

2248
03:52:35,78 --> 03:52:38,31
a quick question before we go
down that path and make it

2249
03:52:38,32 --> 03:52:43,78
a directive that that's certainly an option
I mean to thirty six is going into that

2250
03:52:43,83 --> 03:52:47,36
into the tank right now and hopefully in
twenty seven years it comes out but our

2251
03:52:47,37 --> 03:52:53,41
projections are not favorable and so let's
not add more cost to to thirty six your

2252
03:52:53,42 --> 03:53:00,36
mom to with out I would say thirty
six and or kid thirty three which

2253
03:53:00,37 --> 03:53:06,60
is the Mercy Hospital do lots of owner
tend to get what you can used to

2254
03:53:06,74 --> 03:53:07,95
proceeds within

2255
03:53:07,96 --> 03:53:13,05
a half mile of the Sherline pressure and
that's certainly healthier and I just want

2256
03:53:13,06 --> 03:53:14,15
to put ourselves in

2257
03:53:14,16 --> 03:53:20,13
a position where we're going back to the
general fund with expenses that. We don't

2258
03:53:20,14 --> 03:53:26,25
necessarily have to cover out of the general
fund which is too tight already. And

2259
03:53:26,26 --> 03:53:30,64
to thirty six is is good thirty six is
tight we need the instrument is understand

2260
03:53:30,65 --> 03:53:37,50
that. Or do you think that's
really fresh. If you had with or.

2261
03:53:38,55 --> 03:53:41,77
With the expenses associated with such

2262
03:53:41,78 --> 03:53:48,54
a grievance procedure. Being paid
out of thirty three and thirty six

2263
03:53:48,64 --> 03:53:53,82
as necessary and or or and.

2264
03:53:55,91 --> 03:53:56,55
I'm sure there was

2265
03:53:56,56 --> 03:54:00,81
a question do you want to be and or
do you want to be or am to slash or.

2266
03:54:02,92 --> 03:54:07,08
So so the language that I had proposed was
that the funding for the reimbursement

2267
03:54:07,09 --> 03:54:10,76
would be derived from the funded sidewalk
account and so I would propose if the

2268
03:54:10,77 --> 03:54:14,40
council wishes to add that language to
thirty three and or to thirty six that we

2269
03:54:14,41 --> 03:54:20,56
can find we can plug that in which is the
first full sentence on page ten of ten at

2270
03:54:20,57 --> 03:54:27,45
the top of the page. They're not as you
said good with that as this is the. Second

2271
03:54:28,43 --> 03:54:30,10
Amendment he was making

2272
03:54:30,11 --> 03:54:33,71
a friendly so I think you just as I'm
the maker in here the second are you

2273
03:54:33,77 --> 03:54:39,17
comfortable with that friendly amendment
sir. But I question what happens if we get

2274
03:54:39,18 --> 03:54:44,07
to the twenty seven years and there's
no money left in it. I think we'll be

2275
03:54:44,08 --> 03:54:50,91
replacing all this. Was my
first question and what's

2276
03:54:50,92 --> 03:54:57,84
our forecast for replacing streets in
this area and the answer was you know the

2277
03:54:57,85 --> 03:55:02,81
streets that we believe that we have in
this program so if there's more that

2278
03:55:02,82 --> 03:55:08,13
happened within the five year window.
We'll have to cross that bridge with

2279
03:55:08,14 --> 03:55:14,87
a future council but I think we can
find an area. I think we define the

2280
03:55:14,88 --> 03:55:19,57
time frame and I think we can find

2281
03:55:19,58 --> 03:55:22,98
a reimbursement schedule and we find

2282
03:55:22,99 --> 03:55:29,56
a funding source. And I don't think we
opened up any doors for other parts of the

2283
03:55:29,57 --> 03:55:31,13
city to have

2284
03:55:31,14 --> 03:55:37,04
a problem in my mind councilman Dorgan the
city manager do we have to direct you on

2285
03:55:37,05 --> 03:55:37,77
where to get

2286
03:55:37,78 --> 03:55:44,14
a funding source or if we don't say take
it all could you go to the Ted or could

2287
03:55:44,15 --> 03:55:48,13
you go to the general fund and you make
that decision if we don't give what we

2288
03:55:48,14 --> 03:55:51,58
could I mean that was my point is that when
you get definitive you know it kind of

2289
03:55:51,59 --> 03:55:56,54
boxes me and as far as how we come back
to the council and ask for funding so you

2290
03:55:56,55 --> 03:56:00,93
know if you say you know I'm going to use
to thirty six or thirty three and old

2291
03:56:00,94 --> 03:56:06,54
then I'm stuck with those areas you know
as options if you leave it open ended you

2292
03:56:06,55 --> 03:56:10,42
know I can come back with you it to thirty
three to thirty six you know we can

2293
03:56:10,43 --> 03:56:11,60
borrow for it as part of

2294
03:56:11,61 --> 03:56:16,88
a reconstruction project etc etc which
would be generally funded because that's

2295
03:56:16,89 --> 03:56:22,23
what I was it was picking up on is that
the kids would be an option but now we're

2296
03:56:22,24 --> 03:56:26,16
telling you you have to use that one meanwhile
there could be any number of sources

2297
03:56:26,17 --> 03:56:33,04
you could pull that from if we left that
open ended. And I'm not one necessarily

2298
03:56:33,05 --> 03:56:35,27
micro-manager and we have to
I think that this would be.

2299
03:56:40,76 --> 03:56:46,08
I only enough this is the way I'm the one
who is almost normal around the opposite

2300
03:56:46,09 --> 03:56:48,99
ends of this argument here but
I think that this would be

2301
03:56:48,100 --> 03:56:53,10
a case of micromanaging we don't
have to that you know this is

2302
03:56:53,11 --> 03:56:58,98
a financial decision that I think it's
very dangerous if we're making it so that

2303
03:56:58,99 --> 03:57:05,68
you have to when you know I like to bring
up the center avenue to if the previous

2304
03:57:05,69 --> 03:57:09,71
one that was closed because of the financial
downturn that was to say something one

2305
03:57:09,72 --> 03:57:14,44
happened we'd have to do something quickly
in one of those tests and now we're in

2306
03:57:14,45 --> 03:57:19,93
a very even more precarious spot so I would
like to just leave this open ended as

2307
03:57:19,94 --> 03:57:26,58
opposed to boxing everybody in and
something that may not work. Well I have

2308
03:57:26,59 --> 03:57:33,10
a question that we in
your suggestion. Were you

2309
03:57:33,11 --> 03:57:39,81
suggested that the money could come
from. I can't see it here from funded

2310
03:57:39,82 --> 03:57:46,59
sidewalks. How I would where
to we have extra money in this

2311
03:57:46,60 --> 03:57:51,84
fund and say well then then how does that
get reimbursed back in to pay for the

2312
03:57:51,93 --> 03:57:56,74
funded sidewalks or how does that work if
you take it out of the funded sidewalk or

2313
03:57:56,75 --> 03:57:58,86
go Well we've there's

2314
03:57:58,86 --> 03:58:03,57
a there's an account that has proceeds and
it was collected from developers that

2315
03:58:03,58 --> 03:58:07,62
started in one thousand nine hundred two
until we stopped assessing developers

2316
03:58:07,63 --> 03:58:08,13
which was just

2317
03:58:08,52 --> 03:58:14,50
a few years ago. So there are circumstances
when you know on Main Street well on

2318
03:58:14,51 --> 03:58:17,85
certain projects we can get grant funding
to help offset some of our construction

2319
03:58:17,86 --> 03:58:23,63
costs anything that's federally funded at
eighty percent. You know that can help

2320
03:58:23,64 --> 03:58:28,55
offset things at the end of the day can I
predict what the balance will be decades

2321
03:58:28,56 --> 03:58:33,01
down the road I can't dislike We don't know
what condition did well it is not there

2322
03:58:33,02 --> 03:58:37,18
but I would I would just suggest in
here too that you know that we just

2323
03:58:40,03 --> 03:58:45,37
again I guess leave it open as far as where
the money's going to come from you know

2324
03:58:45,65 --> 03:58:49,52
as far as here just kind of states that
it's going to come from the funded sidewalk

2325
03:58:49,52 --> 03:58:56,50
. The major point I guess that the

2326
03:58:56,51 --> 03:59:03,02
only point is you know there aren't other
situations where the council directs.

2327
03:59:03,90 --> 03:59:08,74
How the city staff comes back to you with
funding recommendations and so my my

2328
03:59:08,75 --> 03:59:13,48
request would be leave it open ended the
staff's going to look at all the options

2329
03:59:13,49 --> 03:59:17,99
out there that are possible and come back
to you with our best recommendation on

2330
03:59:18,00 --> 03:59:24,07
how to fund these grievance costs
etc and so my my request would be

2331
03:59:24,57 --> 03:59:29,31
let's let's keep this open ended you know
the staffs I mean it's our tax dollars to

2332
03:59:29,32 --> 03:59:33,30
we're trying to make sure that these this
money is spent wisely so you know leave

2333
03:59:33,31 --> 03:59:38,09
it open ended let us come back with the
appropriate funding source whether it be

2334
03:59:38,75 --> 03:59:44,37
the funded sidewalk fonde or whether it
be to thirty six to thirty three or let's

2335
03:59:44,38 --> 03:59:50,44
go to general fund Barlett So I just would
leave that open ended I think that is

2336
03:59:50,48 --> 03:59:52,41
more appropriate given how we operate as

2337
03:59:52,42 --> 03:59:59,12
a city I'm more than happy to the amendment
that would have included to have thirty

2338
03:59:59,13 --> 04:00:05,98
three and thirty six proceeds as being
the funding source for any grievance

2339
04:00:05,99 --> 04:00:12,36
procedure. So Amendment Number two
has been withdrawn by the mic

2340
04:00:13,19 --> 04:00:19,78
so it will call for the vote you want to
read. You have whoever seconded Amendment

2341
04:00:19,79 --> 04:00:25,00
Number two stools I will also think you
know brings us back to amendment number one

2342
04:00:25,00 --> 04:00:31,82
. Which is going with
the agreement which is

2343
04:00:31,83 --> 04:00:37,50
going with the Greek isles and it did then
defining the area their grievances to

2344
04:00:38,08 --> 04:00:42,92
the area that makes up a good
remove so we didn't have

2345
04:00:42,93 --> 04:00:47,99
a motion for a second amendment
and then a second we had

2346
04:00:47,100 --> 04:00:52,29
a friendly amendment that was accepted
by the maker and it's been withdrawn the

2347
04:00:52,31 --> 04:00:57,95
second or both so withdrawn the friendly
amendment has been withdrawn and I don't

2348
04:00:57,96 --> 04:01:01,96
think we need anything from the main from
the maker of the second or because you

2349
04:01:01,97 --> 04:01:06,61
was drew it right so I've just
now withdrawn it and did.

2350
04:01:09,44 --> 04:01:14,73
I don't think it had to be
seconded it was well OK it was

2351
04:01:14,74 --> 04:01:20,33
a matter it's gone it's gone well if
the book states I can't because it was

2352
04:01:20,34 --> 04:01:26,12
a motion so it's got to be in the minutes
so I want to make sure I have it right so

2353
04:01:26,13 --> 04:01:30,55
what I had was in our original motion from
council member Gruber to not make any

2354
04:01:30,56 --> 04:01:35,80
changes to policy seventy seconded by
council member seconded by council member

2355
04:01:35,81 --> 04:01:39,92
Conley and counts President Mark
Klein offered an amendment to create

2356
04:01:39,93 --> 04:01:46,71
a grievance procedure for all property
owners in tip thirty six seconded by council

2357
04:01:46,72 --> 04:01:51,01
member Conley then council
member Gruber offered

2358
04:01:51,02 --> 04:01:55,27
a friendly amendment to fund reimbursements
from tip thirty six and door to thirty

2359
04:01:55,28 --> 04:02:00,56
three as necessary their friendly amendment
was accepted by the maker in the second

2360
04:02:00,57 --> 04:02:07,00
year of the amendment and council member
Gruber with Drew his friendly amendment so

2361
04:02:07,01 --> 04:02:11,90
it's no longer friendly so it's annoying
or friendliness augur there and so now I

2362
04:02:11,91 --> 04:02:17,07
think we're voting on council
president Merkel I meant men.

2363
04:02:20,24 --> 04:02:24,80
So that's what I that's what I have and I
think you're right on well that anybody

2364
04:02:24,81 --> 04:02:31,39
good with it all right with that
in mind please vote. Unanimously

2365
04:02:32,07 --> 04:02:34,44
thank you very much Mike
Thank you know you have

2366
04:02:34,45 --> 04:02:38,34
a vote on the motion isn't it OK we need

2367
04:02:38,35 --> 04:02:45,00
a motion. A motion made motion is
there in the ocean which we. I mean

2368
04:02:45,17 --> 04:02:48,86
we just voted for the admin that no Technically
you need to vote on the motion made

2369
04:02:48,86 --> 04:02:54,79
motion is amended Thank you all please vote
on the main motion and as amended and.

2370
04:02:56,97 --> 04:03:03,68
Yeah well yes I'm separating. Came.
Back and went back to park at.

2371
04:03:05,10 --> 04:03:07,81
One thirty that night all
right we finally get

2372
04:03:07,82 --> 04:03:14,54
a new event and I am going.
Consideration action on

2373
04:03:14,55 --> 04:03:16,17
a proposed resolution authorizing

2374
04:03:16,18 --> 04:03:20,71
a Hannity and fine supplemental budget
appropriation for sandhill landfill capital

2375
04:03:20,72 --> 04:03:25,54
projects in two thousand and eighteen Mr
Max is going to help with what this high

2376
04:03:25,55 --> 04:03:32,39
resolution number two thousand eight hundred
fifteen thirty two all right thank you

2377
04:03:32,40 --> 04:03:37,72
Council president Mark line and city council
Max Kagan finance director before each

2378
04:03:37,73 --> 04:03:38,19
night is

2379
04:03:38,20 --> 04:03:42,59
a proposed resolution that would authorize
the use of sanitation fund balance for

2380
04:03:42,60 --> 04:03:47,09
landfill capital projects and the amount
of one point nine seven eight million so

2381
04:03:47,91 --> 04:03:49,88
before I talk

2382
04:03:49,89 --> 04:03:53,04
a bit more about the resolution just one
talk about the history of our sanitation

2383
04:03:53,05 --> 04:03:57,75
fund sanitation fund beginning around two
thousand and nine two thousand and ten

2384
04:03:57,76 --> 04:04:03,63
began struggling as the recession hit our
waste stream into the landfill decrease

2385
04:04:03,64 --> 04:04:08,66
so our revenue decrease in two
thousand and ten we had about two and

2386
04:04:08,67 --> 04:04:11,54
a half million dollars
fund balance and over

2387
04:04:11,55 --> 04:04:15,19
a three year period and two thousand and
fourteen two thousand and fifteen we had

2388
04:04:15,20 --> 04:04:20,98
a negative two hundred fifty thousand so
structural deficit we had brought this

2389
04:04:20,99 --> 04:04:25,63
issue to the city council in two thousand
and thirteen and propose some solutions

2390
04:04:26,25 --> 04:04:31,36
some study sessions were held at that time
with one of those first recommendations

2391
04:04:31,37 --> 04:04:32,08
was to collect

2392
04:04:32,09 --> 04:04:38,25
a solid waste. Collection and disposal fee
that would cover the full cost of the

2393
04:04:38,26 --> 04:04:43,91
programs of doing residential garbage and
recycling collection so when the fee was

2394
04:04:43,92 --> 04:04:48,30
initially established in two thousand and
nine it really goes forty dollars which

2395
04:04:48,31 --> 04:04:54,12
was only about forty percent of the true
cost of providing that service so the

2396
04:04:54,13 --> 04:04:56,29
first action the city
council took was to approve

2397
04:04:56,30 --> 04:05:00,73
a fee that recover the full cost of our
waste collection recycling and yard waste

2398
04:05:00,74 --> 04:05:07,41
programs like slide. So continuing on in
two thousand and fourteen we had more

2399
04:05:07,42 --> 04:05:11,98
study sessions but the city council took
some additional measures to really help

2400
04:05:11,99 --> 04:05:17,32
shore up the finances of the sanitation
fund some of those being the adoption of

2401
04:05:17,33 --> 04:05:23,37
the temporary sand the land of sanitary
landfill surcharge. Which was designed to

2402
04:05:23,38 --> 04:05:27,37
collect about six point six million
dollars and why it was so specific it was

2403
04:05:27,38 --> 04:05:31,71
essentially the revenue from two thousand
and nine to two thousand and thirteen

2404
04:05:31,72 --> 04:05:33,23
that we didn't collect by being

2405
04:05:33,24 --> 04:05:38,98
a full cost recovery program so in the
ordinance says that to be collected through

2406
04:05:38,99 --> 04:05:44,90
two thousand and twenty seven. Additionally
the city council approved the transfer

2407
04:05:44,91 --> 04:05:47,79
of two hundred fifty thousand dollars
from the general fund to help pay for

2408
04:05:47,80 --> 04:05:50,50
landfill debt service
as well as established

2409
04:05:50,51 --> 04:05:55,13
a minimum sanitation fund balance of sixteen
point seven percent with the intention

2410
04:05:55,17 --> 04:06:01,65
that as the sanitation funds balance
was decreasing that this would be

2411
04:06:01,66 --> 04:06:07,02
a stopgap and we would have to again put
measures in place to address it and then

2412
04:06:07,03 --> 04:06:10,32
lastly provided the administration with
some flexibility in the Goshen and

2413
04:06:10,33 --> 04:06:17,04
contracts with waste hours next slide
so since that time the sanitation funds

2414
04:06:17,05 --> 04:06:22,66
balance is increased due to the measures
of the city council and it's in

2415
04:06:22,67 --> 04:06:27,30
a very strong financial position today
given that financial position I would ask

2416
04:06:27,31 --> 04:06:31,54
that the city council consider the use
of fund balance for sanitary landfill

2417
04:06:31,55 --> 04:06:35,35
capital projects to reduce our borrowing
in two thousand and eighteen as well as

2418
04:06:35,36 --> 04:06:42,05
future does service being excise So at the
end of two thousand and seventeen we're

2419
04:06:42,06 --> 04:06:45,88
projecting that the sensation from of
balance about three point two five million

2420
04:06:46,25 --> 04:06:50,35
which is about forty six percent of the
budget and operating expenditures in two

2421
04:06:50,36 --> 04:06:54,99
thousand and eighteen is part of the
ordinance that sets the minimum balance it

2422
04:06:54,100 --> 04:07:00,05
also states that the city council has the
ability to utilize fund balance in excess

2423
04:07:00,06 --> 04:07:06,56
of that minimum force and Terry
landfill projects. Additionally

2424
04:07:07,08 --> 04:07:10,64
So the city is proposing to use one point
nine seven eight million dollars in

2425
04:07:10,65 --> 04:07:17,25
sanitary. Sensation fun balance for
sensory landfill capital projects as I

2426
04:07:17,26 --> 04:07:23,18
mentioned over reduce the borrowing in the
same amount next side. Which will save

2427
04:07:23,19 --> 04:07:29,77
us two hundred fifty thousand dollars in
debt issuance and interest expenses. So

2428
04:07:30,16 --> 04:07:35,00
if the city council adopts the pros
proposed resolution as is our projection is

2429
04:07:35,01 --> 04:07:38,71
that the sanitation fund balance at the
end of two thousand and eighteen would

2430
04:07:38,72 --> 04:07:42,64
still be about two point one million
dollars which is about thirty percent of

2431
04:07:42,65 --> 04:07:46,50
operating expenditure so even by utilizing
two million dollars worth of fund

2432
04:07:46,51 --> 04:07:47,22
balance worse on

2433
04:07:47,23 --> 04:07:53,73
a very strong financial position and the
sensation from excited so what that

2434
04:07:54,13 --> 04:07:55,51
city recommends adoption of

2435
04:07:55,52 --> 04:07:59,87
a resolution number twenty eight hundred
fifteen thirty two authorizing the

2436
04:07:59,88 --> 04:08:04,49
sanitation fund supplemental budget
appropriation for sanitary landfill capital

2437
04:08:04,50 --> 04:08:10,27
projects twenty eight with that I'd be happy
to answer any question number Goober.

2438
04:08:11,34 --> 04:08:12,01
Resolution of

2439
04:08:12,02 --> 04:08:18,50
a twenty eight hundred fifteen thirty two
second motion McConnell number Gruber

2440
04:08:18,51 --> 04:08:25,04
second account number
counting. I mean we're

2441
04:08:25,28 --> 04:08:32,11
letting. A good job back
think it's saving the

2442
04:08:32,12 --> 04:08:37,37
taxpayers two hundred fifty one
thousand dollars and. By not having

2443
04:08:37,38 --> 04:08:38,46
a bar and I think this is

2444
04:08:38,47 --> 04:08:43,25
a good thing and it shows that our sanitation
fund is doing what the Council back

2445
04:08:43,26 --> 04:08:50,24
in two thousand and nine in two thousand
and fourteen. Said I'm to do so too Mr

2446
04:08:50,25 --> 04:08:50,70
becoming

2447
04:08:50,71 --> 04:08:58,32
a stamp asshole for making Israel
that in mind please vote. Unanimously

2448
04:08:58,32 --> 04:09:04,87
. Next item consideration and action to
award contracts or bid schedules the at the

2449
04:09:05,57 --> 04:09:10,54
twenty eight hundred twelve town square
River Walk and Dodge street parking area.

2450
04:09:11,75 --> 04:09:16,98
Twenty eighteen dash thirteen chip ceiling
the twenty eight hundred fourteen

2451
04:09:16,99 --> 04:09:21,76
landfill phase five construction
the twenty eight hundred fifteen

2452
04:09:21,80 --> 04:09:26,83
a COBOL court construction thank you Council
president Mark Lane Mike Payne city

2453
04:09:26,84 --> 04:09:33,25
engineer so for contracts this evening
unfortunately all in all circumstances all

2454
04:09:33,26 --> 04:09:36,26
of our low bits exceeded
the estimates. This is

2455
04:09:36,27 --> 04:09:42,15
a trend that not only the city of Janesville
is experiencing but city of late Rock

2456
04:09:42,16 --> 04:09:47,13
County and Wisconsin Department Transportation
in this area so there's so much work

2457
04:09:47,14 --> 04:09:53,33
going on that contractors have the opportunity
to select and choose what projects

2458
04:09:53,34 --> 04:09:57,26
to like to work on and. It's not

2459
04:09:57,27 --> 04:10:02,83
a real comfortable place to be but it's
the fact for this evening I guess. Mark

2460
04:10:02,84 --> 04:10:06,49
help me here with my clicker is not working
here at the podium for some reason so

2461
04:10:06,50 --> 04:10:11,68
the first contract was the town square
River Walk and street parking area we had

2462
04:10:11,69 --> 04:10:16,68
nine prequalified bidders we received two
bids. I mentioned the consultants us to

2463
04:10:16,69 --> 04:10:20,84
that was about one point eight million
for Loeb it was about two point one five

2464
04:10:20,85 --> 04:10:25,18
million the project scope is consistent
with the Arise agreement that was adopted

2465
04:10:25,49 --> 04:10:27,29
at the last council meeting there was

2466
04:10:27,30 --> 04:10:33,50
a question by email from council member
feral I think on Sunday which I got to this

2467
04:10:33,51 --> 04:10:39,64
morning in my response kind of explained
what I had done in disclosing the

2468
04:10:39,69 --> 04:10:43,94
consulting costs we can get into that at
the end if there are further questions but

2469
04:10:43,95 --> 04:10:47,81
it sounded I heard back from several
of you that that that made sense so I

2470
04:10:47,82 --> 04:10:52,20
apologize for the confusion next line marked
the chips in contract as related to an

2471
04:10:52,21 --> 04:10:56,81
annual street program we had three qualified
plan holders received two bids which

2472
04:10:56,82 --> 04:11:02,11
we were pleased to get. Estimate was eighty
seven thousand and some change the low

2473
04:11:02,12 --> 04:11:08,67
bid was ninety three thousand dollars next
slide Mark. Third contract is landfill

2474
04:11:08,68 --> 04:11:10,16
phase five construction we had

2475
04:11:10,17 --> 04:11:15,68
a eleven qualified plan holders received
three bids yesterday it was one point one

2476
04:11:15,69 --> 04:11:21,38
six million the little bit was just over
that at one point two six million. Next

2477
04:11:21,39 --> 04:11:27,50
slide Mark Pickle ball court construction.
Six qualified plan holders we received

2478
04:11:27,51 --> 04:11:32,39
five bids our estimate was eighty five
nearly eighty five thousand the little bit

2479
04:11:32,40 --> 04:11:36,24
was ninety four thousand I believe there
are some folks in the audience to see

2480
04:11:36,25 --> 04:11:37,62
evening representing

2481
04:11:37,63 --> 04:11:41,97
a private group who raised some funds about
thirty five thousand that they will be

2482
04:11:41,98 --> 04:11:48,12
donating to the project. We're very pleased.
That that they're partners with us on

2483
04:11:48,13 --> 04:11:50,55
this project they have also reached out to

2484
04:11:50,56 --> 04:11:54,02
a local executing contractor
who is and they've secured

2485
04:11:54,03 --> 04:11:58,47
a donation from that contractor to do
the on the surface removals and the

2486
04:11:58,48 --> 04:12:01,21
excavations that will get
us to the point where

2487
04:12:01,22 --> 04:12:05,26
a contractor can come in and build up
from there so we really appreciate that

2488
04:12:05,27 --> 04:12:07,04
relationship that we have

2489
04:12:07,05 --> 04:12:10,80
a family next slide is going to summarize
all three contracts and with that we

2490
04:12:10,81 --> 04:12:11,56
would recommend

2491
04:12:11,85 --> 04:12:16,91
a warding off our contracts to the low
betters as outlined happy to answer any

2492
04:12:16,92 --> 04:12:19,19
questions. You come from

2493
04:12:19,20 --> 04:12:26,77
a couple of questions. All

2494
04:12:26,78 --> 04:12:33,65
of the bids that came in back to
see. What the estimates were and you

2495
04:12:33,66 --> 04:12:37,96
alluded to the fact that that seems
to be a regional trend if not

2496
04:12:37,97 --> 04:12:41,91
a statewide friend. Whereby there is such

2497
04:12:41,92 --> 04:12:47,45
a demand for construction at this particular
point in time the contractors are in

2498
04:12:47,46 --> 04:12:54,45
a position that they can ask for. More
renumeration than what our estimates

2499
04:12:54,46 --> 04:12:56,82
would have projected the puts us in

2500
04:12:56,83 --> 04:13:01,88
a difficult and challenging spot
because each one of these projects is

2501
04:13:02,49 --> 04:13:09,39
a very important project. I know you
won't have the answer tonight and this

2502
04:13:09,40 --> 04:13:14,87
is probably more appropriately addressed
to the city manager. But we need to be

2503
04:13:14,92 --> 04:13:20,04
thinking about the implications if this
trend continues in terms of what we can or

2504
04:13:20,05 --> 04:13:25,39
cannot accomplish. Based upon
budgeting that's been done to date.

2505
04:13:27,06 --> 04:13:33,50
Based upon our borrowing plans. And it's
based upon the council policies as it

2506
04:13:33,51 --> 04:13:38,85
relates to borrowing plans in particular
and I know we're going to ever preliminary

2507
04:13:38,86 --> 04:13:43,83
resolution coming up in.
May fourteenth meeting.

2508
04:13:45,70 --> 04:13:52,38
And the preliminary resolution is
going to. Undergo have to undergo

2509
04:13:52,39 --> 04:13:59,13
some amount of potential modification if
we're going to. Be able to sustain the

2510
04:13:59,14 --> 04:14:03,18
efforts that we are all of
which are very very important.

2511
04:14:06,55 --> 04:14:12,06
I don't see that trend that's going on
across the region as changing it's only

2512
04:14:12,07 --> 04:14:18,75
going to become more and more
expensive as. The cost of labor goes

2513
04:14:18,76 --> 04:14:23,10
up and the shortage of
qualified laborers increases.

2514
04:14:25,64 --> 04:14:28,51
And the amount of work
that's being done from

2515
04:14:28,52 --> 04:14:34,39
a public works engineering perspective
is only going to continue to be intense

2516
04:14:34,41 --> 04:14:40,64
across not only the region the state and
the upper Midwest those are cautions that

2517
04:14:40,65 --> 04:14:46,55
I throw out for you to consider and with
that said I'm going to make the motion to

2518
04:14:46,55 --> 04:14:51,72
. Award contracts for bid Schedule C.

2519
04:14:51,73 --> 04:14:56,41
Two thousand and eighteen including the
town square River Walk and Dodge street

2520
04:14:56,42 --> 04:15:02,99
parking area. And Chip sealing the landfill
pays five construction and Pickle ball

2521
04:15:03,53 --> 04:15:09,89
construction. Number while you

2522
04:15:12,04 --> 04:15:14,91
think you're in a position where as

2523
04:15:14,92 --> 04:15:21,70
a council we need to be sensitive to. The

2524
04:15:21,71 --> 04:15:28,22
remaining contract letting schedule
that we have. And if there's ways that

2525
04:15:28,94 --> 04:15:34,75
engineering and others can.
Hone in on those estimates.

2526
04:15:35,85 --> 04:15:41,40
At this late date in the game. And adjust
them accordingly it might make them more

2527
04:15:41,40 --> 04:15:47,99
palatable going forward. Given the
circumstances and given the importance of the

2528
04:15:48,00 --> 04:15:54,97
projects in front of us. I whole
heartedly support. Their approval

2529
04:15:54,98 --> 04:16:01,85
as contracts tonight with the
cautions that mention. I can

2530
04:16:01,86 --> 04:16:07,39
appreciate where you're coming from when
you give us an estimate. I do look at that

2531
04:16:07,52 --> 04:16:12,56
and I like to see it come under but I
understand it's going to be what it's going

2532
04:16:12,57 --> 04:16:19,03
to be in Times are changing for sure
when you just don't have to go very far

2533
04:16:19,04 --> 04:16:23,17
especially out of the interstate with the
working almost twenty four seven out

2534
04:16:23,18 --> 04:16:26,72
there and. You know they've got

2535
04:16:26,73 --> 04:16:32,48
a for sure thing out there. So these are
going to start coming in higher than what

2536
04:16:32,49 --> 04:16:37,04
we're predicting but again. Not
saying that you should add

2537
04:16:37,05 --> 04:16:41,35
a million dollars to everything so we
feel good because the thing came in under

2538
04:16:41,99 --> 04:16:48,92
under what the estimate was but. I
guess you're smart enough and you both

2539
04:16:48,93 --> 04:16:52,88
probably start seeing you come in closer
than than some of these have been.

2540
04:16:54,90 --> 04:17:01,31
Question on that pick up all court when you
said they have someone coming in to do

2541
04:17:01,86 --> 04:17:06,75
this is going over the top of some old
tennis court so they're removing that and

2542
04:17:06,93 --> 04:17:13,18
getting the base work done and that still
going to be this this price yes even with

2543
04:17:13,18 --> 04:17:20,07
all that additional direct
OK. We had some kind of

2544
04:17:20,08 --> 04:17:25,89
an agreement with the
Pickle ball people to raise

2545
04:17:25,90 --> 04:17:29,49
a certain amount of money in the city was
putting in something else even though

2546
04:17:29,50 --> 04:17:36,33
this is more it's still. What they're
contributing is about what they agreed to

2547
04:17:36,71 --> 04:17:41,14
yes I believe it was thirty five thousand
that they raised my towards this project

2548
04:17:41,27 --> 04:17:46,13
coupled with this in the service in kind
Tim provided by the contractor will build

2549
04:17:46,50 --> 04:17:52,33
the courts and I believe also get the signs
right in that you guys want the science

2550
04:17:52,34 --> 04:17:58,95
right so this gets us there in this project
and as far as the pick up all courts

2551
04:17:58,96 --> 04:18:03,66
would. What is that timeline for
that to be completed you know.

2552
04:18:06,10 --> 04:18:09,66
I don't know what they're going to get
additional days yes that's that's the goal

2553
04:18:09,67 --> 04:18:15,88
is to get them ready for play this year
yes you know it's great to see it finally

2554
04:18:15,89 --> 04:18:21,63
coming about it think that it will be.
Another good use for the park system

2555
04:18:24,65 --> 04:18:26,56
you know what else just

2556
04:18:26,57 --> 04:18:32,14
a quick question like in other bids there
been opportunities for staff to go back

2557
04:18:32,15 --> 04:18:37,42
to the contractors and get some reduction
that's not possible in the OF THESE it's

2558
04:18:37,43 --> 04:18:42,38
not possible with these we did look at
that we did think about that these are

2559
04:18:42,51 --> 04:18:46,96
really straightforward and there really
aren't any components of the project that

2560
04:18:46,97 --> 04:18:53,06
our wish list items rather than you
know necessary OK requirements Thanks.

2561
04:18:55,81 --> 04:19:01,69
Thank you I won't get into too much detail
but obviously very interesting the job

2562
04:19:02,09 --> 04:19:08,85
costing aspect I believe may actually
work in there but do you first see like I

2563
04:19:08,86 --> 04:19:15,13
think we talked about these job costs for
like the forward jeans fill funded part

2564
04:19:15,14 --> 04:19:21,08
of we have in that for every one of these
or if we want to see we're over estimate

2565
04:19:21,09 --> 04:19:23,98
on a B. And C.

2566
04:19:24,51 --> 04:19:30,45
You know what I'm trying to get at is I'm
trying to find out. Cumulatively how far

2567
04:19:30,70 --> 04:19:37,24
over are the are we or over the estimates
I will you know are over to water gray

2568
04:19:37,25 --> 04:19:43,76
and you know one hundred fifty how cumulatively
are we feel or any system in place

2569
04:19:43,77 --> 04:19:49,42
that's going to be measuring all of us
just specific to our arise Yes yes.

2570
04:19:50,78 --> 04:19:52,41
We certainly can provide

2571
04:19:52,42 --> 04:19:56,48
a report to the council and we can certainly
summarize that the work that's been

2572
04:19:56,49 --> 04:20:01,24
done today yeah that's what I'm looking
for sir we can do that OK Thank you.

2573
04:20:04,22 --> 04:20:10,77
The motion back on numbers. Gruber's economic
council member Williams to approve or

2574
04:20:11,11 --> 04:20:12,87
contracts and bid Schedule C.

2575
04:20:13,20 --> 04:20:16,24
Please vote and pass

2576
04:20:16,25 --> 04:20:21,28
a six and I think thank you Mike thank
you next item schedule US city council

2577
04:20:21,28 --> 04:20:26,94
organization meeting for April seventeenth
two thousand and seven thirty pm at fire

2578
04:20:26,94 --> 04:20:32,78
station number one three zero three
Milton Avenue Janesville am. Thank you.

2579
04:20:36,27 --> 04:20:40,54
Seven thirty in the morning here that
you would be here OK and that work for

2580
04:20:40,55 --> 04:20:46,15
everyone fine so schedule how many
council announcements are we doing

2581
04:20:46,16 --> 04:20:50,15
a photo of that one in the last year we
split it up for the photo was that it was

2582
04:20:50,16 --> 04:20:57,01
scheduled for May fourteenth OK. It always
dress on if you want to or. In other

2583
04:20:57,02 --> 04:21:02,85
words people come on council announcements
anyone for just one thing gradually the

2584
04:21:02,86 --> 04:21:09,18
other candidates that ran and also
congratulate those that survived and

2585
04:21:09,62 --> 04:21:15,56
appreciate that activity involvement and
trying to being part of this thing when I

2586
04:21:15,57 --> 04:21:22,27
lose. Motion to adjourn some
of it on my motion made over

2587
04:21:22,28 --> 04:21:24,24
William or adjourned.