1 00:00:10,38 --> 00:00:13,67 City council council vice president Charlie will give us 2 00:00:13,68 --> 00:00:20,62 a pledge where you all right. What would you do the flag of the 3 00:00:20,63 --> 00:00:26,11 United States of America if you can recall or you can see why me. 4 00:00:27,75 --> 00:00:34,45 In the war with liberty and justice for all. Thank you Vice President 5 00:00:34,46 --> 00:00:36,75 jolly we're expecting come from 6 00:00:36,76 --> 00:00:42,07 a bar any moment we want to welcome you into the February twenty sixth two thousand 7 00:00:42,08 --> 00:00:46,65 eight hundred study session of our noble new city council this meeting said See 8 00:00:46,66 --> 00:00:51,27 agenda for the one thousand eight hundred forty fourth regular meaning which will 9 00:00:51,28 --> 00:00:51,56 be 10 00:00:51,57 --> 00:00:57,64 a voting meaning that will take place on Monday March the twelfth of this year. The 11 00:00:57,65 --> 00:01:00,74 only absence we have is comes from 12 00:01:00,75 --> 00:01:06,33 a meek and I know that comes from bars on his way he just text us. He had to step 13 00:01:06,34 --> 00:01:06,69 out for 14 00:01:06,70 --> 00:01:13,53 a moment so he should be back any minute. And. Any announcements 15 00:01:13,54 --> 00:01:17,87 from council at this point. You know OK. 16 00:01:20,37 --> 00:01:22,44 Already this is 17 00:01:22,45 --> 00:01:27,59 a study meaning that there will be no votes taken at this meeting council members 18 00:01:27,63 --> 00:01:33,04 may offer either one resolution or combination of resolutions for each item the 19 00:01:33,05 --> 00:01:39,49 resolutions offered me include and approving a denying or referring resolution to 20 00:01:39,50 --> 00:01:44,11 a committee or a city department for there for the report and or recommendation 21 00:01:44,56 --> 00:01:49,20 a resolution of no further action may also be offered there are some items that 22 00:01:49,21 --> 00:01:53,44 will simply be received and filed for the information of the city council Please 23 00:01:53,45 --> 00:01:58,39 note that all the items on tonight's agenda will move on to the regular meaning of 24 00:01:58,46 --> 00:02:03,70 Monday March the twelfth of this year where they will be officially voted on at 25 00:02:03,71 --> 00:02:08,33 that time if you want to participate in tonight's agenda if you would approach the 26 00:02:08,34 --> 00:02:13,89 podium to my left or the podium to my right side then there should be some business 27 00:02:13,90 --> 00:02:18,65 cards are for the council and state your name and address and we will be happy to 28 00:02:18,66 --> 00:02:25,50 hear your comments or your presentation without further ado then we will move into 29 00:02:25,51 --> 00:02:31,77 where agenda which is the yellow. Paper tonight that is outside the 30 00:02:31,81 --> 00:02:33,70 auditorium and all of you that have 31 00:02:33,71 --> 00:02:39,47 a are looking at it now it's the reappointment of jammer three Murphy excuse me to 32 00:02:39,48 --> 00:02:45,79 the local officers compensation commission. He is there for citizen I believe and 33 00:02:46,00 --> 00:02:46,50 for 34 00:02:46,85 --> 00:02:51,78 a seven year term which will expire April second of two thousand and twenty five and 35 00:02:51,79 --> 00:02:57,26 our mayor Dennis right yes John couldn't be here tonight he was also chosen last 36 00:02:57,27 --> 00:03:02,12 week is first innocent of the year and believe it is and him it is way for promptly 37 00:03:02,13 --> 00:03:08,25 went to the turn silent so well travelled returned there in but he wants to stay 38 00:03:08,69 --> 00:03:15,51 and we'd like to have. Been to be happy to offer the Privy resolution Greek culture 39 00:03:15,52 --> 00:03:21,52 white his often approving Were there any others in the comments. Anyone from the 40 00:03:21,53 --> 00:03:25,04 audience hearing and see none we have an approving was that on consent comes 41 00:03:25,05 --> 00:03:30,43 moments and consent. They keep their item to item two is 42 00:03:30,44 --> 00:03:34,12 a request to approve final budget adjustments for fiscal year in need of Nov 43 00:03:34,13 --> 00:03:38,10 thirtieth of two thousand and seventy this is brought to us from our finance 44 00:03:38,11 --> 00:03:44,44 department Mr Slater to be good evening counsel as we do every year we're bringing 45 00:03:44,82 --> 00:03:49,02 to you at the close of our fiscal twentieth fiscal year the twenty seventeen this 46 00:03:49,03 --> 00:03:54,57 year federal budget adjustments there's two items that were presented for 47 00:03:54,58 --> 00:04:01,12 consideration one. In regards to some additional telephone expenses that we had in 48 00:04:01,13 --> 00:04:06,18 the second regards to some computer software maintenance costs that went over what 49 00:04:06,19 --> 00:04:11,44 we expected we'd asked it's your concurrence to be happy answering questions thank 50 00:04:11,45 --> 00:04:15,36 you Mr Slater counsel any questions comments or direction. 51 00:04:20,54 --> 00:04:24,68 Manner president certainly Vice President Joe all are for the approving resolution 52 00:04:25,12 --> 00:04:31,88 of the. Items as outlined in order and offer their consent there is no objection 53 00:04:32,65 --> 00:04:39,35 thank you consummate vice president has offered and consent. He didn't see none 54 00:04:39,36 --> 00:04:42,73 anyone from the audience clearly seen and thank you Mr Slater we have 55 00:04:42,74 --> 00:04:44,87 a permanent item three is 56 00:04:44,88 --> 00:04:49,05 a request for authorization to purchase seven marked patrol vehicles utilizing 57 00:04:49,06 --> 00:04:54,43 state of Michigan and counties of Oklahoma come concert shim bid pricing this is 58 00:04:54,44 --> 00:04:59,19 brought to us by the division Division of Police to utilize uniformed division from 59 00:04:59,20 --> 00:05:04,20 budget funds to the chief good evening men present member of the Council of the 60 00:05:04,21 --> 00:05:10,32 site of before you is request to purchase seven vehicles for our marked police car 61 00:05:10,33 --> 00:05:17,10 fleet six of them are our focus for patrol bureau and one will be for the 62 00:05:17,11 --> 00:05:22,62 traffic bureau specifically for the way Master as mentioned in the in the letter 63 00:05:22,63 --> 00:05:27,49 and as you outlined we go out to different consortiums the state of Michigan Wayne 64 00:05:27,50 --> 00:05:32,66 County in Oakland County and we compare those prices and pick the lowest bid for 65 00:05:32,67 --> 00:05:37,72 the vehicle that we are requesting in this case we are we will be utilizing the 66 00:05:37,73 --> 00:05:43,55 McComb the McComb County bed for the Ford utility police interceptors at the prices 67 00:05:43,56 --> 00:05:50,39 outlined. To from the state of Michigan one is the Dodge Charger and then 68 00:05:50,40 --> 00:05:57,29 to. Top holes using the state of Michigan bed all budgeted funds Thank you 69 00:05:57,30 --> 00:06:01,96 Chief any questions for Chief Yes go ahead Council member of one question Chief in 70 00:06:01,97 --> 00:06:06,42 the materials that were provided to us one of the tacos was listen separately from 71 00:06:06,43 --> 00:06:09,37 the others which I just mistake or is there a purpose for that you know there's 72 00:06:09,38 --> 00:06:14,12 a purpose for that in that vehicle it will be for the way Master It's 73 00:06:14,13 --> 00:06:15,73 a different it's comes out of 74 00:06:15,74 --> 00:06:20,41 a different account OK Carol two vs three twenty five I thank you thank you times 75 00:06:20,42 --> 00:06:25,75 when I'd offer that proving for consent if there's no objection OK it's been 76 00:06:25,76 --> 00:06:29,49 buyer's offer probably didn't consent were there any other comments or directions 77 00:06:30,14 --> 00:06:34,03 very unseen on anyone from the audience here and see no one from the audience Thank 78 00:06:34,04 --> 00:06:40,89 you Chief ever privy non-consent Thank you yes or. And for it is also 79 00:06:40,95 --> 00:06:41,15 from 80 00:06:41,16 --> 00:06:47,99 a division of police it's an agreement. Yes an amendment to the western 81 00:06:47,100 --> 00:06:52,74 wing County Police mutual aid agreement putting each believe the amount of 82 00:06:52,75 --> 00:06:56,82 President members Council Brian KONDRACKE of Mearns parents are suitable boning up 83 00:06:57,28 --> 00:07:04,19 on behalf of Chief Cade for this we are requesting a authorization to adopt 84 00:07:04,20 --> 00:07:09,00 a revised West Wing County Police mutual aid agreement revisions have been done to 85 00:07:09,01 --> 00:07:12,64 this agreement from the original agreement from two thousand and seven pretty much 86 00:07:12,65 --> 00:07:17,39 to bring up the compliance for National Incident Management System as well as 87 00:07:17,81 --> 00:07:24,36 manpower allocation and to just reword it so it flowed better to today's standards 88 00:07:24,99 --> 00:07:30,75 this kind could you kind of tell are really not Ian's what the mutually means serve 89 00:07:30,76 --> 00:07:37,36 you mutually Basically it means. Every Department's very agencies law enforcement 90 00:07:37,37 --> 00:07:41,95 in this particular case working together to aid each other in the van of curse 91 00:07:41,96 --> 00:07:45,84 words and we need to help they might call city Livonia volume I call someone else 92 00:07:45,88 --> 00:07:49,54 to come out and help them with that particular incident or that situation that's 93 00:07:49,55 --> 00:07:56,17 going on I'm certain thank you very much Council comments direction yes comes woman 94 00:07:56,24 --> 00:07:57,62 MacIntyre it's certainly 95 00:07:57,63 --> 00:08:02,68 a very comprehensive set of agreements as you would expect when you have so many 96 00:08:02,69 --> 00:08:07,72 organisations doing so many things it's my understanding Mr Khan that all of the 97 00:08:08,44 --> 00:08:13,25 Major Wayne County communities are party to this agreement and also my 98 00:08:13,26 --> 00:08:18,95 understanding is certainly we have contributed many times over the years right and 99 00:08:18,96 --> 00:08:22,51 offered our aid but they've also been some instances where we've been the 100 00:08:22,52 --> 00:08:29,09 recipients of the major right and it's exhaustive and reading all of this and 101 00:08:30,05 --> 00:08:36,88 especially found all the. The Fermi the Fermi piece correct me rather sobering and 102 00:08:36,88 --> 00:08:40,87 . But if I understand that correctly and this is 103 00:08:40,88 --> 00:08:45,05 a little bit outside the scope of this but if I may Manchester to have it there was 104 00:08:45,06 --> 00:08:49,96 a lot of focus on the immediate ten mile radius from Fermi where I think closer to 105 00:08:49,97 --> 00:08:55,82 thirty so can we assume from that that thirty miles from Fermi you're generally 106 00:08:55,83 --> 00:09:00,52 considered to be outside the immediate ring of danger should there be an answer 107 00:09:00,53 --> 00:09:04,81 that you could but you never want to see never for the most part understand what I 108 00:09:04,82 --> 00:09:09,45 mean when technically that's coming down from national the Nuclear Regulatory 109 00:09:09,46 --> 00:09:14,14 Commission and the federal guidelines for Fermi itself they stipulate exactly what 110 00:09:14,15 --> 00:09:18,41 Monroe County holds for me what they need to do they go out from that point to 111 00:09:18,42 --> 00:09:23,02 a ten mile the emergency technicians zone and then out to a fifty mile B.P.C. 112 00:09:23,32 --> 00:09:25,97 That is standard pretty much throughout the United States for any new do it 113 00:09:25,98 --> 00:09:27,38 facility we're within 114 00:09:27,39 --> 00:09:33,92 a fifty mile emergency protection zone. That is correct pretty much the phone use 115 00:09:34,33 --> 00:09:38,67 response would be a western Wayne County response primarily for traffic control 116 00:09:38,91 --> 00:09:39,55 a lot of B. 117 00:09:39,67 --> 00:09:44,08 The movement of people coming out of the Monroe area and evacuating them out of 118 00:09:44,09 --> 00:09:48,95 different areas it looks like to seventy five is one of the major routes possibly 119 00:09:48,96 --> 00:09:50,72 up to ninety six and again there's 120 00:09:50,73 --> 00:09:54,99 a lot of different issues that come to play prevailing winds in the employ miles 121 00:09:55,00 --> 00:09:58,75 and everything else that might go along with that but. For the most part 122 00:09:58,76 --> 00:10:02,55 a lot of it's going to be evacuation in and pushing the flow of people to 123 00:10:02,56 --> 00:10:06,91 a safer area Well I think it's outstanding that we've gotten an up dated agreement 124 00:10:07,29 --> 00:10:08,03 after ten years 125 00:10:08,04 --> 00:10:12,45 a lot has changed in ten years so that I would be very happy for approval on 126 00:10:12,49 --> 00:10:18,36 consent. Great OK Mr Bardhan that offer great. 127 00:10:19,68 --> 00:10:26,64 That nothing OK Very. Good OK All right so we 128 00:10:26,65 --> 00:10:30,83 have an approving unconcern from council MacIntyre Were there any other questions 129 00:10:30,84 --> 00:10:36,18 comments anyone from the audience here and seen none thank you very much Mr thank 130 00:10:36,19 --> 00:10:39,42 you very much I appreciate it yes or OK I don't five is 131 00:10:39,43 --> 00:10:43,51 a request to authorize additional appropriation and amend contracts this is brought 132 00:10:43,52 --> 00:10:45,57 to us by the public service division. 133 00:10:53,16 --> 00:10:58,48 That even getting the latest John of the Council. I'm here to talk to you all the 134 00:10:58,49 --> 00:11:04,00 item regarding the emergency sewer lining Section thirty four and look Force 135 00:11:04,36 --> 00:11:08,59 Services contract increase. Few months back the D.P.W. 136 00:11:08,60 --> 00:11:13,99 Had an emergency sewer repair near the intersection of orange lawn and Ingram. In 137 00:11:14,25 --> 00:11:18,68 in that neighborhood their gardens the sewers are roughly one nine hundred twenty 138 00:11:18,69 --> 00:11:18,80 S. 139 00:11:18,81 --> 00:11:23,36 Clay sewers are all pretty much rear Yardies ments They range from fifteen to eighteen 140 00:11:23,37 --> 00:11:30,31 inch in diameter. After that repair was done we and that pipe was 141 00:11:30,32 --> 00:11:33,49 actually rehabilitated afterwards with a C.I. P.P. 142 00:11:33,50 --> 00:11:40,23 Occurred in place liner after we did that we went back and checked the 143 00:11:40,35 --> 00:11:43,43 sewer pipes in the entire neighborhood knowing they're all the same material 144 00:11:43,71 --> 00:11:48,38 similar diameters same major pipe all installed at the same time in the subdivision 145 00:11:48,39 --> 00:11:52,44 was built out kind of having the thought that some of these sewers may be in 146 00:11:52,45 --> 00:11:58,20 a similar condition in dire need of some repair as suspected after reviewing those 147 00:11:58,21 --> 00:12:03,12 video inspections of those sewers they are very similar in characteristics to the 148 00:12:03,13 --> 00:12:06,43 pipe that that collapsed the condition has 149 00:12:06,44 --> 00:12:12,20 a pretty significant structural degradation throughout those clay pipes. So based 150 00:12:12,21 --> 00:12:18,28 on the extreme of pork and conditions and that previous pipe failure this area is 151 00:12:18,63 --> 00:12:24,55 in dire need of some rehab so our evaluation of what it would take to go through 152 00:12:24,56 --> 00:12:29,95 that entire subdivision and wind all those pipes. Comes out to roughly one point 153 00:12:29,96 --> 00:12:35,18 one million dollars We are. Our sense we are on 154 00:12:35,19 --> 00:12:39,90 a contract with little force to perform our annual sewer inspection and pipe 155 00:12:39,91 --> 00:12:41,39 rehabilitation work on 156 00:12:41,40 --> 00:12:46,17 a not to exceed annual budget of three hundred fifty thousand the department is 157 00:12:46,18 --> 00:12:49,48 requesting it and in addition to their contract for 158 00:12:49,49 --> 00:12:53,49 a period of two years just in case the project starts in eighteen and carries over 159 00:12:53,50 --> 00:12:57,53 to one thousand they want to make sure those those funds carry over for the next 160 00:12:57,54 --> 00:13:01,87 fiscal year so increase in their budget another eight hundred thousand dollars to 161 00:13:02,21 --> 00:13:08,77 fund that work. This additional funding 162 00:13:09,11 --> 00:13:13,67 has already been included in the current water and sewer rate calculations and the 163 00:13:13,68 --> 00:13:16,49 funding would basically be reallocated from what we had planned as 164 00:13:16,50 --> 00:13:21,24 a Phase two water main replacement project on five mile the section between. 165 00:13:22,86 --> 00:13:25,23 Merriment a middle road would be deferred to 166 00:13:25,24 --> 00:13:29,25 a later year and we've been looking to move reallocate that money from that project 167 00:13:29,26 --> 00:13:35,02 to the sewer project because of them in the nature of the. Condition of these pipes 168 00:13:35,86 --> 00:13:39,45 so in order to proceed with this much needed sewer improvement project we're 169 00:13:39,46 --> 00:13:42,38 recommending that the Council authorize an additional procreation of 170 00:13:42,39 --> 00:13:46,64 a hundred thousand dollars increase in that not to exceed amount to one point one 171 00:13:47,07 --> 00:13:52,58 five annually for little force to fund these improvements over that two year period 172 00:13:52,59 --> 00:13:57,57 two thousand and eighteen and nineteen and also authorize an amendment to that 173 00:13:57,58 --> 00:14:03,93 contract was looking for us to reflect that increased amount as as mentioned with 174 00:14:03,94 --> 00:14:08,56 that I'll be happy to answer any questions thank you confines prison Mr Rush low 175 00:14:08,57 --> 00:14:12,52 thank you for being here tonight I have two questions the first has to do with this 176 00:14:12,53 --> 00:14:18,28 particular project these pipes are. By your statement ninety to one hundred years 177 00:14:18,29 --> 00:14:24,96 old how long will the lining enable them to last what extension of life what we 178 00:14:24,97 --> 00:14:29,09 hear from the manufacturer that produces this resin that's used in the turn in 179 00:14:29,10 --> 00:14:33,10 plate place pipes is I mean they they essentially are saying 180 00:14:33,11 --> 00:14:37,27 a fifty year minimum service life when the original sewers were installed they had 181 00:14:37,28 --> 00:14:40,79 a similar fifty year expected service life obviously they last 182 00:14:40,80 --> 00:14:45,75 a little bit longer than that. Most of the curate in place pipeline or that we see 183 00:14:45,76 --> 00:14:49,82 in the ground right now is hasn't exactly reached fifty years yet the technology 184 00:14:49,83 --> 00:14:53,74 just hasn't been there for that duration of time yet but our expectation is 185 00:14:53,75 --> 00:14:58,82 a minimum fifty year service life out of the rehabilitated pipe the pipe. Liner 186 00:14:58,83 --> 00:15:04,36 itself essentially replaces the host pipe that was there the existing pipe because 187 00:15:04,37 --> 00:15:09,44 it has it's own structural integrity it doesn't rely on the exterior pipe to give 188 00:15:09,45 --> 00:15:11,56 it its strength it gets it from from its own 189 00:15:11,97 --> 00:15:16,70 a material product OK I think you might in my second question when we're coming out 190 00:15:16,71 --> 00:15:16,77 of 191 00:15:16,78 --> 00:15:21,84 a situation just this last weekend where we have infrastructure failing just due to 192 00:15:21,85 --> 00:15:28,36 the pure age of the infrastructure in this area are you or is D.P.W. 193 00:15:28,64 --> 00:15:32,76 Doing inspections such as the one that found this throughout the city or is there 194 00:15:32,77 --> 00:15:36,35 a plan to do so we are absolutely in if you recall 195 00:15:36,87 --> 00:15:41,76 a couple years ago through the Sawgrass process where we received a 196 00:15:42,09 --> 00:15:46,82 a good chunk of grant money to do evaluations so what we had done is systematically 197 00:15:46,83 --> 00:15:50,57 throughout the system went and inspected different sized pipes different age of 198 00:15:50,58 --> 00:15:55,32 pipes to grasp an overall concept of what are the condition of these pipes if they 199 00:15:55,33 --> 00:15:56,70 were clay from the one nine hundred twenty S. 200 00:15:56,71 --> 00:15:58,23 Or concrete from the one nine hundred fifty S. 201 00:15:58,24 --> 00:16:02,05 What do they look like there are they all similar condition is there different 202 00:16:02,47 --> 00:16:06,21 differences because the ground conditions and whatnot so doing an evaluation we put 203 00:16:06,22 --> 00:16:10,69 together the asset management plan out of the saw Grant. The biggest thing out of 204 00:16:10,70 --> 00:16:15,59 the asset manager plan is exactly what you just asked increased inspection increase 205 00:16:15,60 --> 00:16:20,74 routine cleaning of these pipes and making sure that we get to them as much as 206 00:16:20,75 --> 00:16:24,97 possible before they start to fail to do things like occurred in place pipeline or 207 00:16:26,11 --> 00:16:31,16 thank you sir you're welcome. Yes comes when Joey asked most of what I wanted to 208 00:16:31,17 --> 00:16:31,73 ask but as one 209 00:16:31,74 --> 00:16:35,75 a follow up to that last point so are you saying has that systematic review of all 210 00:16:35,76 --> 00:16:38,29 the water pipes has that been completed already or is that something that's 211 00:16:38,30 --> 00:16:43,02 underway over the next several years that increased routine inspection on the sewer 212 00:16:43,03 --> 00:16:49,62 pipes is is ongoing it has it's it's definitely in place and we're working to try 213 00:16:49,63 --> 00:16:53,78 and increase that on a yearly basis it's it's definitely 214 00:16:53,79 --> 00:16:55,12 a work in progress do you have 215 00:16:55,13 --> 00:17:00,70 a sense as to how often will have similar kind of obviously we have an aging system 216 00:17:00,89 --> 00:17:02,67 I think we all understand that this is going to be 217 00:17:02,68 --> 00:17:05,22 a challenge for us in the years that is this 218 00:17:05,23 --> 00:17:08,84 a type of thing that every year we're going to be finding sections to be doing 219 00:17:08,85 --> 00:17:12,84 something like this were you see it is more sporadic and maybe it's impossible for 220 00:17:12,85 --> 00:17:13,99 you to say I'm just trying to get 221 00:17:14,00 --> 00:17:20,53 a sense you know absolutely I mean you're you're right on. The system it continues 222 00:17:20,54 --> 00:17:24,88 to age it continues to deteriorate it's really important for us to sit down as 223 00:17:24,89 --> 00:17:28,26 a department and with other departments here to come up with 224 00:17:28,27 --> 00:17:31,59 a plan for funding and budgeting for these needed improvements the only thing we 225 00:17:31,60 --> 00:17:35,45 can really do is to try and stay ahead of the game on doing those inspections to 226 00:17:35,46 --> 00:17:40,48 find out where the worst conditions are and repair and before we have failures and 227 00:17:40,52 --> 00:17:44,23 and that's our our main goal is to continue to do that and I applaud the 228 00:17:44,24 --> 00:17:47,63 proactiveness if it hasn't been offered already I'd offer an improving on this. 229 00:17:49,00 --> 00:17:53,20 Certain thank you comes when Christmas and you ma'am share 230 00:17:54,03 --> 00:17:57,82 a question to through the chair to Mr Rush low and I know that you've joined us 231 00:17:57,83 --> 00:18:00,32 recently and maybe you were not 232 00:18:00,33 --> 00:18:05,50 a part of this previously but with this work that you're requesting this evening 233 00:18:05,51 --> 00:18:12,11 being in the Rosedale Gardens area D W R F projects which I believe was 234 00:18:12,12 --> 00:18:17,12 a two thousand and fifteen project which is still languishing out there and some 235 00:18:17,13 --> 00:18:21,23 sort of unknown status which I'm sure the council would like to understand 236 00:18:21,24 --> 00:18:27,72 a little bit further but. If this is essentially water main issues related to the 237 00:18:27,73 --> 00:18:32,89 same area is this not something that we saw coming from 238 00:18:32,90 --> 00:18:37,30 a city standpoint why are we finding this now as opposed to that being part of the 239 00:18:37,31 --> 00:18:43,26 original school work so these are good just for clarification these are all related 240 00:18:43,27 --> 00:18:48,24 to sanitary sewer pipe rehabilitation the though the water main in the door project 241 00:18:48,25 --> 00:18:53,00 due to our project was separate focused only on the drinking water quality aspect 242 00:18:53,06 --> 00:18:58,77 so we're looking at now is. Rehabilitation in place of the sanitary sewers and 243 00:18:58,78 --> 00:18:59,16 that's not 244 00:18:59,17 --> 00:19:03,72 a combined sewer system in that area it was previously it's been separated when it 245 00:19:03,73 --> 00:19:08,24 originally designed they were combined sewers which is why they're fifteen and 246 00:19:08,25 --> 00:19:11,27 eighteen inch diameter typically for a rear yard sewer in 247 00:19:11,28 --> 00:19:15,15 a subdivision like that you see eight or ten inches or but they were larger because 248 00:19:15,48 --> 00:19:20,08 back when they had alleys in the rear yards they did also except drainage they 249 00:19:20,09 --> 00:19:26,100 don't do not currently it's just sanitary OK so the door of project the. Project 250 00:19:27,42 --> 00:19:33,92 with terrible acronym and terrible nickname. Was just related to water main 251 00:19:34,14 --> 00:19:40,80 currents and work before us today is related to sanitary correct All right thank 252 00:19:40,81 --> 00:19:47,59 you you're welcome. I was an uncomfortable then obviously but I'm 253 00:19:47,60 --> 00:19:54,37 reading that this contract back with this particular vendor started in two thousand 254 00:19:54,38 --> 00:20:01,37 and thirteen so how long when when is there an end to this contract 255 00:20:01,38 --> 00:20:05,37 by any chance I mean not that they're bad or good I'm not saying of that reason I 256 00:20:05,38 --> 00:20:09,83 just don't see in the here and maybe I'm not reading it clearly I don't know so 257 00:20:09,84 --> 00:20:15,61 just recently in the actually look here at the December eighteenth council meeting 258 00:20:15,61 --> 00:20:19,04 . Council approved extending that contract with look 259 00:20:19,05 --> 00:20:24,71 a force for for another five years great starting in eighteen it will now go 260 00:20:24,72 --> 00:20:30,98 through coming to us on the twenty sixth of February just side. OK Or so I welcome 261 00:20:31,12 --> 00:20:36,23 in order to understand this better is this this is includes people's backyards as 262 00:20:36,24 --> 00:20:41,86 far as these clay pipes Yeah the work will be performed underground in their 263 00:20:41,87 --> 00:20:47,60 backyard the destruction will be quite minimal almost all the work on these types 264 00:20:47,61 --> 00:20:52,96 of rehab projects is always done internal So the the contractor accesses 265 00:20:52,97 --> 00:20:57,41 a manhole above ground which they would use and utilize the animals that are in the 266 00:20:57,42 --> 00:21:01,22 roadways so they have the is lease destruction as possible to people's backyards 267 00:21:01,53 --> 00:21:06,48 and. They will access those manholes insert the liner and then when they reinstate 268 00:21:06,52 --> 00:21:10,15 the lateral leads to each home for their service they actually have 269 00:21:10,16 --> 00:21:14,54 a small tractor robot that cuts those out from the inside of the pipe interesting 270 00:21:14,90 --> 00:21:21,73 so very neat technology we have really for sure OK already and then how we 271 00:21:21,74 --> 00:21:23,50 notify neighbors of this when we send out 272 00:21:23,51 --> 00:21:27,72 a general letter or donors we definitely will put together 273 00:21:27,73 --> 00:21:31,68 a schedule with the contractor moving forward here once we get out of all we're 274 00:21:31,69 --> 00:21:33,98 getting a little break in the weather now but once once things warm up 275 00:21:33,99 --> 00:21:38,16 a little bit they will be planted to hit that early this year and work with them on 276 00:21:38,17 --> 00:21:41,89 a schedule and get that out to the to the homeowner to inform them of what work 277 00:21:41,90 --> 00:21:42,94 will be done on 278 00:21:42,95 --> 00:21:49,38 a daily basis and lastly. There's Ailey's it right behind the business is there. 279 00:21:50,89 --> 00:21:56,49 A public road design effect any of the businesses and their sewer lines there are 280 00:21:56,78 --> 00:22:00,10 no. Sewer just south of Plymouth Road is 281 00:22:00,11 --> 00:22:01,82 a little bit larger in diameter it's more of 282 00:22:01,83 --> 00:22:08,76 a collector for the for the region for the area we are. Not proposing to touch that 283 00:22:08,77 --> 00:22:12,58 line at this time OK I wondered because between the residents in the businesses you 284 00:22:12,59 --> 00:22:13,12 know there's 285 00:22:13,13 --> 00:22:18,37 a lot of people along their road as well OK we do have an improving Was that on 286 00:22:18,38 --> 00:22:23,99 consent there is no objection and if there is no objection and I didn't go to the 287 00:22:24,00 --> 00:22:28,52 audience is anyone in the audience wishing to speak to the site here in CA none we 288 00:22:28,53 --> 00:22:33,49 haven't approved ninety percent thank you very much thank you you're welcome. OK. 289 00:22:34,56 --> 00:22:37,34 Council we have number six which is 290 00:22:37,35 --> 00:22:42,17 a request to extend the contract to terrorist country Inc from or engineering 291 00:22:42,18 --> 00:22:48,59 division for the two thousand and eighteen lean line marking program at the unit 292 00:22:48,60 --> 00:22:52,95 prices from the two thousand and seventeen contract princes being made and 293 00:22:52,96 --> 00:22:55,59 President as the council members this is 294 00:22:55,60 --> 00:23:00,17 a request to prove our US contracting in the amount one hundred fifteen thousand 295 00:23:00,18 --> 00:23:04,08 dollars or two hundred fifty thousand dollars budgeted funds to go throughout the 296 00:23:04,09 --> 00:23:08,75 city and provide laneway markings legends and symbols throughout their city if you 297 00:23:08,76 --> 00:23:12,40 where typically we spend about seventy thousand dollars to do our lane markings 298 00:23:12,41 --> 00:23:16,55 throughout the city the rainy balance be spent on Legend and symbol such as worn 299 00:23:16,56 --> 00:23:22,29 down only signs on the pavement or arrows left or right to designate those right 300 00:23:22,30 --> 00:23:26,33 turn lanes and then obviously some areas we do the school cross walks and ordered 301 00:23:26,37 --> 00:23:31,48 or we question the police department so again it's provide safety improve the areas 302 00:23:31,49 --> 00:23:35,29 that have deteriorated I would see through snow plowing and again there's basically 303 00:23:35,30 --> 00:23:38,26 two vendors out it does this type of work are S. And P. K. 304 00:23:38,27 --> 00:23:44,70 Contracting so no advantage or asking way of the bidding process they provide 305 00:23:44,71 --> 00:23:46,90 a letter R S L E own write 306 00:23:46,91 --> 00:23:50,69 a letter dated December fourteenth requesting extension and looking for your 307 00:23:50,99 --> 00:23:54,73 concurrence and if any for the question to be happy to answer those two job at the 308 00:23:54,74 --> 00:24:01,01 same prices is seventeen so that's great anyone. Comment offering 309 00:24:03,40 --> 00:24:09,87 don't be shy. Of the person to go over to head I would be happy for improving 310 00:24:09,88 --> 00:24:14,00 resolution I'm concerned if there are no objections proving non-consent was or any 311 00:24:14,01 --> 00:24:20,98 of the other discussion by McIntyre. Anyone from the audience. Kind of quiet on 312 00:24:20,99 --> 00:24:25,62 the news tonight OK we improve in the sun and Item six seven is 313 00:24:25,63 --> 00:24:30,91 a request to designate the consultant through the qualification based section Q B S 314 00:24:31,19 --> 00:24:35,96 process to provide construction and engineering services for start road rehab 315 00:24:35,97 --> 00:24:41,02 projects. To lend an avenue this from our engine here in division which is Mr 316 00:24:41,03 --> 00:24:47,26 Dillon sick and thank you this project we're looking for is stark road is probably 317 00:24:47,27 --> 00:24:52,01 in dire need of repair. We've got some phone calls in this segment so look we got 318 00:24:52,02 --> 00:24:55,07 some federal funds it's why we waited to complete this road so we get eighty one 319 00:24:55,08 --> 00:25:00,37 point five percent of the road paid for as you're aware decorative design for us we 320 00:25:00,38 --> 00:25:04,92 bought it out on January fifth two thousand and eighteen and the prices came in in 321 00:25:04,93 --> 00:25:05,74 the low bidder was 322 00:25:05,78 --> 00:25:09,86 a foreign cement in the amount of summer thirteen thousand seven hundred fifty four 323 00:25:09,87 --> 00:25:14,12 dollars and twenty two cents as I alluded to earlier back in December we're going 324 00:25:14,13 --> 00:25:18,12 to replace the portion the first three hundred feet with total removal replace 325 00:25:18,13 --> 00:25:22,43 concrete the remaining portion just before Lynn will be overlaid with three to five 326 00:25:22,44 --> 00:25:26,35 inches of asphalt in the balance at the end of Linden and start will be 327 00:25:26,36 --> 00:25:31,56 reconstructed at that corner which is deteriorate also to point of I'm sure it's 328 00:25:31,75 --> 00:25:34,80 got a few titles out there and again both sides will be 329 00:25:34,81 --> 00:25:40,37 a bike lane on Stark road from Linden down to Schoolcraft so. 330 00:25:41,80 --> 00:25:46,79 We're asking city council to prove visors any amount of hundred seven thousand 331 00:25:46,80 --> 00:25:50,90 dollars to provide our C E structure engineering for this project and it's based on 332 00:25:50,91 --> 00:25:55,85 the amount of the contract and then now we have Mark lock our audience if there's 333 00:25:55,86 --> 00:25:56,91 any further questions but they do 334 00:25:56,92 --> 00:26:01,30 a fabulous job they just recently completed every one road and they were awarded 335 00:26:01,31 --> 00:26:05,32 given for that segment from Eccles to twenty nine hundred linear feet east of the 336 00:26:05,33 --> 00:26:11,09 area. Madam Chair Yes or I didn't want to interrupt Mr Dylan sequence you've got 337 00:26:11,30 --> 00:26:16,34 a role but I will be stepping down on this item as well this is not an architecture 338 00:26:16,35 --> 00:26:21,82 project I do work for. Or one of the companies involved in this contract and now 339 00:26:21,83 --> 00:26:27,70 we're stepping down Thank you Thank you Councilman OK any questions from Mr Zelin 340 00:26:27,71 --> 00:26:33,91 sick or comments from medical care. For the resolution and then this will need to 341 00:26:33,92 --> 00:26:34,20 go on 342 00:26:34,21 --> 00:26:40,62 a regular pay council might has offered an approving the regular was or any other 343 00:26:40,63 --> 00:26:43,31 comments. Here in C.N.N. 344 00:26:43,32 --> 00:26:46,87 Anyone from the audience here and see no one from the audience we haven't approved 345 00:26:47,74 --> 00:26:52,52 for brickwork. They were an item eight I think come back almost Christmas. 346 00:26:54,70 --> 00:26:58,69 This waiver petition brought to us from the Planning Commission petition to use two 347 00:26:58,70 --> 00:27:03,07 thousand seven hundred twelve zero seven sixteen submitted by health and fortune 348 00:27:03,69 --> 00:27:06,02 requesting the waiver use approval to operate 349 00:27:06,03 --> 00:27:11,80 a massage establishment within the Laurel Park Police mall located on the northwest 350 00:27:11,81 --> 00:27:18,58 corner of six mile in Newburgh in Suite age six four 351 00:27:18,59 --> 00:27:21,55 zero in the southeast corner of section seven. 352 00:27:26,84 --> 00:27:33,70 Long time no see how are you. Your name and all that good stuff for sure 353 00:27:33,71 --> 00:27:40,34 it would require four five one six nine four three circle in Canton Michigan and 354 00:27:40,47 --> 00:27:47,20 the general manager of Health in for Chelsea or wishing. So after dealing with the 355 00:27:47,21 --> 00:27:52,88 previous ten that you might as back to the mall. And so we're moving forward with 356 00:27:52,89 --> 00:27:56,18 them and hopefully we have another long term relationship with 357 00:27:56,19 --> 00:27:59,47 a. OK And I'm going to go to MS to tear me 358 00:27:59,48 --> 00:28:03,80 a real quick and then I'm going to go to the counsel Mr meet any comment well if Mr 359 00:28:03,81 --> 00:28:06,88 Wrong looks familiar it's because he was before this council on two previous 360 00:28:06,89 --> 00:28:12,23 occasions first time was in two thousand and twelve when he received we have use of 361 00:28:12,24 --> 00:28:17,18 provable to operate a massage establishment in Laurel Park Mall that was in 362 00:28:17,33 --> 00:28:22,36 a different area within the shopping complex it was at the north end of the main 363 00:28:22,37 --> 00:28:27,18 concourse and then in two thousand and fifteen the same petitioner whooshing 364 00:28:27,92 --> 00:28:32,04 received waiver use approval to move that business. To 365 00:28:32,05 --> 00:28:37,16 a different unit inside the mall and that one is located near Phoenix theatres so 366 00:28:37,17 --> 00:28:40,43 whooshing is now required scene we were used to operate 367 00:28:40,44 --> 00:28:45,42 a second store so they were approved for two previous locations one of the first 368 00:28:45,43 --> 00:28:50,08 location moved so they currently have one in operation this would be their second 369 00:28:50,09 --> 00:28:54,59 operation within the Mall of the new tenant spaces identified as 370 00:28:54,67 --> 00:28:59,28 a unit six forty you can see where it's located off of one of the lateral 371 00:28:59,29 --> 00:29:05,27 concourses off the main concourse between Weimar and Carson's space is about 372 00:29:05,28 --> 00:29:09,86 a thousand square feet it is within three hundred and fifty feet within four 373 00:29:09,87 --> 00:29:14,78 hundred feet of the existing location so it will require your special approval with 374 00:29:14,79 --> 00:29:19,08 respect to that separation requirement the other special requirement that applies 375 00:29:19,42 --> 00:29:24,45 deals with proximity to school churches or other state licensed facilities such as 376 00:29:24,46 --> 00:29:30,21 day cares or libraries playgrounds public parks it that does not apply in this case 377 00:29:30,22 --> 00:29:33,92 so. They are they they set 378 00:29:33,93 --> 00:29:38,00 a fire that requirement. Playing Commission is recommending the pupil with 379 00:29:38,01 --> 00:29:42,12 a couple caveats one is that they let you limit the waiver used to this petitioner 380 00:29:42,13 --> 00:29:47,15 only and also that he as well as the underlying over the property rescind the 381 00:29:47,16 --> 00:29:53,42 previous waiver use for the location that is not in operation today but technically 382 00:29:53,71 --> 00:29:54,25 because it is 383 00:29:54,26 --> 00:30:00,09 a waiver use and it runs with the land. They would have the opportunity in fact to 384 00:30:00,10 --> 00:30:00,41 operate 385 00:30:00,42 --> 00:30:04,62 a third location but in doing this they would rescind that previous waiver approval 386 00:30:04,63 --> 00:30:10,21 and he's agreed to that thank you thank you's. Are you that you the marks are just 387 00:30:10,22 --> 00:30:16,30 so I'm familiar with I think the location that you that the place near the theater 388 00:30:16,31 --> 00:30:18,78 replaced I had forgotten that you had 389 00:30:18,79 --> 00:30:22,77 a second one in there previously so if I follow you correctly market there were two 390 00:30:22,78 --> 00:30:28,51 locations previously one of those locations has been there continuously the other 391 00:30:28,52 --> 00:30:33,43 location is the one that was replaced by the one that the theater that question 392 00:30:33,44 --> 00:30:40,28 actually built there is not known. What was the. Unit number three eighty five so 393 00:30:40,29 --> 00:30:44,83 they originally operated in the unit three eighty five if you look on the plan you 394 00:30:44,84 --> 00:30:47,89 know it's difficult to see here they moved to 395 00:30:47,90 --> 00:30:51,28 a new location by Phoenix Theatre so they close at one of three eighty five 396 00:30:51,68 --> 00:30:56,82 reopened just outside of the Mall near the Phoenix theaters and now they want to 397 00:30:56,83 --> 00:30:59,24 open up this location so this would be number two this would be 398 00:30:59,25 --> 00:31:04,15 a comfort to us I He's been here before I'm familiar with the business I remember 399 00:31:04,16 --> 00:31:08,32 the situation before. And taking all that into account I know 400 00:31:08,33 --> 00:31:14,05 a lot of times we we have. We have understandable. 401 00:31:15,39 --> 00:31:18,56 Reason to ask a lot of questions these kind of things when this case this is 402 00:31:18,57 --> 00:31:22,52 a business that we're familiar with it's very above board they frankly do an 403 00:31:22,53 --> 00:31:26,94 excellent job I have no problem offering approving resolution for this for consent 404 00:31:26,95 --> 00:31:32,66 if there's no connection counseling parents offer them approving. Others Yes. 405 00:31:33,80 --> 00:31:40,24 I just liked and state that I'm in support of Mr bars we had some other reason the 406 00:31:40,25 --> 00:31:45,31 petitioner and I think actually I think I was I'm planning at one point for your 407 00:31:45,32 --> 00:31:49,48 establishment before I came over to council is that C.B.L. 408 00:31:49,49 --> 00:31:54,10 Terminated your lease and they brought in another establishment as it turned out 409 00:31:54,50 --> 00:31:58,70 and this gets into some issues of licensing thing that are beyond the purview of 410 00:31:58,71 --> 00:32:02,94 this council all the licensing boards out of the state level unless you claim to 411 00:32:02,95 --> 00:32:08,42 have some very very specific targeted services. But whooshing moved over to the 412 00:32:08,46 --> 00:32:13,64 other location when their lease was terminated. You know I think we could have 413 00:32:13,65 --> 00:32:16,74 a lot of discussion about what kind of businesses we'd like to see at the mall we'd 414 00:32:16,75 --> 00:32:22,35 certainly like to see national retailers but we're happy I'm personally I'm happy 415 00:32:22,36 --> 00:32:28,68 to see them all with fewer vacant spaces and I know we actually full disclosure I'm 416 00:32:28,69 --> 00:32:30,74 a client there and they do 417 00:32:30,75 --> 00:32:36,53 a phenomenal job everything's very above board and I would very much agree with Mr 418 00:32:36,54 --> 00:32:40,73 Barr and support based on their history based on how they do business and the fact 419 00:32:40,74 --> 00:32:42,20 that having good business is 420 00:32:42,21 --> 00:32:47,74 a moral part is far preferable the vacant spaces being full support the sheep any 421 00:32:47,75 --> 00:32:53,08 others yes it comes as President the man of President Sir I thank you for being 422 00:32:53,09 --> 00:32:55,17 here today I although I am not 423 00:32:55,18 --> 00:32:59,04 a client of yours I am accustomed to walking past your location in the mall and 424 00:32:59,05 --> 00:33:04,88 next to the theatre. Can you tell us just for the record whether or not your 425 00:33:04,89 --> 00:33:11,56 business has had any violations or has ever run afoul of its state licensing. We 426 00:33:11,57 --> 00:33:16,00 never at that the movies where I'm here today is because C.B.L. 427 00:33:16,01 --> 00:33:20,39 Brought a nother tendin in the movies and I were applying for 428 00:33:20,40 --> 00:33:26,63 a waiver use we really don't need to locations per se but because of the 429 00:33:26,64 --> 00:33:33,28 situation we like to just have one place because right now we're again within flow 430 00:33:33,28 --> 00:33:37,59 . Hundred square feet of each other so our therapist have to kind of go back and 431 00:33:37,60 --> 00:33:38,89 forth in a way is 432 00:33:38,90 --> 00:33:44,89 a good exercise for them. But that this space is only about 433 00:33:44,90 --> 00:33:50,42 a thousand square feet so and we are looking to expand and we're trying to find out 434 00:33:50,60 --> 00:33:55,80 probably like four years from now and see where we at we like to have one space 435 00:33:56,14 --> 00:34:03,08 rather than two units is operated by two different landlords so it's different this 436 00:34:03,09 --> 00:34:04,78 location is operated by C.B.L. 437 00:34:05,46 --> 00:34:10,07 There next to Phoenix theaters owned by Shell stack OK And the only reason that I 438 00:34:10,08 --> 00:34:14,08 asked about any potential violations is because I think the residents expect us to 439 00:34:14,09 --> 00:34:14,18 give 440 00:34:14,19 --> 00:34:17,86 a little more scrutiny and if we see on the record we are not just the testing that 441 00:34:17,87 --> 00:34:20,59 you're a good business but the fact that you have NOT going to fall that goes 442 00:34:20,60 --> 00:34:27,30 a long ways thank you. Real quick So how many clients do you get 443 00:34:28,02 --> 00:34:34,88 your original facility there would you say in that week. What 444 00:34:34,89 --> 00:34:41,56 time you open from nine to nine or something like hours out so night and I. It 445 00:34:41,57 --> 00:34:47,78 varies from day to day OK and weather permits we're fairly busy and we're able to 446 00:34:47,82 --> 00:34:53,98 you know keep eight full time staff massage therapist so so it's table this is well 447 00:34:53,99 --> 00:34:54,11 it's 448 00:34:54,12 --> 00:34:59,80 a chair then yeah and lot of people are getting more into the foot massage now because 449 00:34:59,84 --> 00:35:06,14 you know. You would if they were miles and you know it's helpful to for their blood 450 00:35:06,15 --> 00:35:11,66 circulation and I just wonder because in an even second one you know you have to be 451 00:35:11,67 --> 00:35:16,94 doing relatively OK there OK great well much success to it sounds like you don't 452 00:35:16,95 --> 00:35:22,75 approve none can set OK if there's no others anyone from the audience can see no 453 00:35:22,76 --> 00:35:26,88 one that we do have an improving one concept by Councilman thank you for coming in 454 00:35:27,02 --> 00:35:31,27 Thank You have good evening. Number nine is 455 00:35:31,28 --> 00:35:35,71 a waiver petition from and Planning Commission petition two zero one seven one two 456 00:35:35,72 --> 00:35:40,91 zero two one seven submitted by the United miner lines to develop an operating 457 00:35:41,16 --> 00:35:45,30 outdoor storage area for semi trucks and semi trailers on the west side of the 458 00:35:45,31 --> 00:35:51,62 globe road between Plymouth Road and am or high road in the southwest 459 00:35:51,82 --> 00:35:58,72 quarter of Section twenty nine Mr Chairman thank you truck in trailer storage 460 00:35:58,73 --> 00:36:03,37 facilities within an M one zone in District fall under the provisions Sept fourth 461 00:36:03,38 --> 00:36:05,72 and Section sixteen eleven B. 462 00:36:05,73 --> 00:36:11,01 Of the zoning ordinance this property is located on globe street it's on the west 463 00:36:11,02 --> 00:36:13,46 side just north of Plymouth Road it's 464 00:36:13,47 --> 00:36:19,53 a vacant lot as you can see from the aerial photograph that's located between two 465 00:36:19,54 --> 00:36:25,47 industrial properties to the north and south there's industrial. To the east 466 00:36:25,48 --> 00:36:30,21 directly across the street from this location and then to the west are 467 00:36:30,22 --> 00:36:34,30 a variety of commercial as well as residential properties so the site is about 468 00:36:34,31 --> 00:36:38,66 eight tenths of an acre it includes one hundred feet of frontage on globe street 469 00:36:38,97 --> 00:36:39,20 has 470 00:36:39,21 --> 00:36:43,84 a depth of three hundred forty five feet again most of that why this currently paved 471 00:36:43,85 --> 00:36:50,67 there is some grass in the front yard. The. Paved area where the trucks would be 472 00:36:50,68 --> 00:36:54,62 stored who measures about one hundred feet by two hundred ninety feet the 473 00:36:54,63 --> 00:37:01,45 petitioner estimates that he can store up to sixteen vehicles within this space 474 00:37:02,03 --> 00:37:02,42 there would be 475 00:37:02,43 --> 00:37:08,47 a central driveway that would provide access to the trucks on either side this was 476 00:37:08,48 --> 00:37:10,84 actually a parcel that was previously owned in common with 477 00:37:10,85 --> 00:37:14,99 a lot to the south and was used for Friday of going truck and trailer storage and 478 00:37:14,100 --> 00:37:20,29 connection of this was since separated from ownership and is now available and the 479 00:37:20,30 --> 00:37:24,56 petitioner would like to operate it strictly for storing these semi trucks and 480 00:37:24,57 --> 00:37:28,83 trailers there would be no at this time there would be no development of any 481 00:37:28,84 --> 00:37:33,15 building. It's on the price that's the reason really what it has to go through this 482 00:37:33,16 --> 00:37:38,80 waiver approval process for this particular use the ordinance requires fencing all 483 00:37:38,81 --> 00:37:44,75 the way around this storage area there are in existing fence that is located 484 00:37:45,02 --> 00:37:47,96 located around the perimeter of most of the paved area there is 485 00:37:47,97 --> 00:37:54,17 a section that's still open to the parcel to the south that would have to be filled 486 00:37:54,18 --> 00:37:58,84 in eventually Planning Commission reviewed this and approved it with stipulations 487 00:37:58,85 --> 00:38:02,81 relative to coming back with a landscape plan as well as 488 00:38:02,82 --> 00:38:06,92 a lighting plan for the Planning Commission or for the planning and inspection 489 00:38:06,93 --> 00:38:13,07 departments to review thank you to me. Do you want to break or you want to go the 490 00:38:13,08 --> 00:38:17,31 petition Let's call the petition or Good evening I'm sorry your name and address 491 00:38:17,65 --> 00:38:23,50 the evening scuse me crash Nick Yes Cassini The address is five eight three zero 492 00:38:23,56 --> 00:38:30,34 Newbury estates drive West Linn Michigan Thank you Santa Salazar fifty eight thirty 493 00:38:30,35 --> 00:38:36,78 Newbury est Dr Leslie thank you what are you hoping to do I'm sorry you want to go 494 00:38:36,79 --> 00:38:37,13 further 495 00:38:37,14 --> 00:38:41,58 a little better to explain it or yeah you know just like the gentleman mentioned I 496 00:38:41,59 --> 00:38:48,57 mean I wanted to park semi trucks and trailers and with the hopes that one day 497 00:38:48,58 --> 00:38:49,39 we can build 498 00:38:49,68 --> 00:38:56,01 a building and do maintenance but currently just park and trucks and trailers 499 00:38:56,81 --> 00:38:57,19 so there's 500 00:38:57,20 --> 00:39:01,85 a need for that you feel very anxiously of those currently Yes they are actually 501 00:39:01,86 --> 00:39:06,18 owned by us they are at least with anyone they are actually our own all while 502 00:39:06,19 --> 00:39:12,76 trying to live and trucks. They would not be it's not least vehicles OK great 503 00:39:13,54 --> 00:39:19,98 great OK Any other questions or comments yes councilwoman and I saw in our parish 504 00:39:20,37 --> 00:39:26,60 that storm water runoff and rainwater runoff better said it had been addressed at 505 00:39:26,61 --> 00:39:31,13 the time this went to planning I think has that been addressed sense or you're 506 00:39:31,14 --> 00:39:37,60 comfortable that we would get that addressed by. You know what time it takes down 507 00:39:37,61 --> 00:39:37,88 on this 508 00:39:37,89 --> 00:39:41,84 a little further but it's my understanding as long as they're not doing anything to 509 00:39:41,85 --> 00:39:47,99 the property then there's no need to do any additional strong water. Treatment on 510 00:39:48,00 --> 00:39:53,39 this site it's currently paved till such time that they either reconstruct that log 511 00:39:53,40 --> 00:39:57,19 or build something on the parcel as long as the storm water is currently 512 00:39:57,20 --> 00:40:00,98 functioning and that there would be no need for them to make in any upgrades 513 00:40:00,99 --> 00:40:06,99 necessarily but. Just you know take out of what Mark said Yeah we're looking for 514 00:40:07,00 --> 00:40:07,15 less 515 00:40:07,16 --> 00:40:10,66 a touch the part about reprieve shape it we pave it whatever to where they have to 516 00:40:10,74 --> 00:40:14,83 reconstruct it then they would be doing storm water I think I would recommend is 517 00:40:14,84 --> 00:40:18,85 obviously if there are accidents you know oil spill or gas you know obviously call 518 00:40:18,86 --> 00:40:23,23 has you know hazard material team to get that resolved but the only thing is you 519 00:40:23,24 --> 00:40:26,83 know let us know if I departed in the storm so it's there but until you actually 520 00:40:26,88 --> 00:40:27,33 reconstruct 521 00:40:27,34 --> 00:40:31,48 a parking lot or reshape it regret it but Dish will storm and they would need doing 522 00:40:31,49 --> 00:40:36,04 at this time OK I think I do that maybe I misread our pack and I thought there was 523 00:40:36,05 --> 00:40:41,92 an open issue in there with respect to. Runoff water my question for the 524 00:40:41,96 --> 00:40:43,12 petitioners I have a C. 525 00:40:43,13 --> 00:40:48,13 Since these are your your trucks and your trailers you know what's in there you 526 00:40:48,14 --> 00:40:50,11 have access right I assume it's 527 00:40:50,12 --> 00:40:56,13 a locked yes and then you know work with our public safety I know that our place 528 00:40:56,14 --> 00:40:59,85 and our fire and signed off but you know work with them to ensure that the public 529 00:40:59,86 --> 00:41:04,22 safety has twenty four thirty you know three hundred sixty five twenty four hour 530 00:41:04,23 --> 00:41:11,05 access and the event of we hope not but any. I prefer margins yes OK I 531 00:41:11,06 --> 00:41:12,06 certainly think this is 532 00:41:12,07 --> 00:41:16,48 a good location and it takes it takes advantage gives us some business on 533 00:41:16,49 --> 00:41:21,86 a lot that doesn't have public facing access or from it I think it's 534 00:41:21,87 --> 00:41:26,97 a very appropriate use. Thank you other comments from the council. 535 00:41:28,78 --> 00:41:35,29 What what do your. Tricks trailers whatever what is your storage inside of those 536 00:41:35,30 --> 00:41:40,44 and they're actually flatbed trailers Oh normally they are empty when they are 537 00:41:40,45 --> 00:41:44,38 parked the they are delivered and they are just parked empty so you don't have any 538 00:41:44,39 --> 00:41:50,76 proof refrigeration unit out anything I am. Good business to be on the reactor Yeah 539 00:41:51,13 --> 00:41:55,82 yeah for sure OK I need direction from the council. 540 00:41:58,67 --> 00:41:59,44 I'd like to have 541 00:41:59,45 --> 00:42:03,54 a man in charge like shopfront approving resolution I'm concerned if there are no 542 00:42:03,55 --> 00:42:07,62 objections. We have improving on consent made 543 00:42:07,63 --> 00:42:13,33 a presence President John. Just so that I can be allowed an opportunity and the 544 00:42:13,35 --> 00:42:19,36 other members of council to inspect the site I would object to the concern. Is that 545 00:42:19,37 --> 00:42:25,72 this be placed on the regular. He's asking for regular. 546 00:42:31,73 --> 00:42:38,56 OK. So anything else. Thank you 547 00:42:38,57 --> 00:42:40,99 very much for coming in tonight thank L.-K. 548 00:42:41,19 --> 00:42:42,95 Appreciate it Number ten is 549 00:42:42,96 --> 00:42:46,69 a site play in petition from the Planning Commission petition two zero one eight 550 00:42:46,70 --> 00:42:51,38 zero one zero eight zero one submitted by Lavonia senators in connection with 551 00:42:51,39 --> 00:42:55,21 a proposal to renovate and expand existing commercial shopping center in 552 00:42:55,22 --> 00:42:55,80 destructive 553 00:42:55,84 --> 00:43:00,22 a new freestanding commercial building in the from parking lot located on the north 554 00:43:00,23 --> 00:43:06,14 side of Plymouth Road between Middle Belt Road and Tech Center Drive three zero 555 00:43:06,15 --> 00:43:11,09 zero zero zero zero through three zero zero seven zero Plymouth Road in the south 556 00:43:11,13 --> 00:43:16,50 east corner of Section twenty six Mr Two Army thank you so this project involves 557 00:43:16,51 --> 00:43:21,11 several various components are go through each one of them but first about the 558 00:43:21,12 --> 00:43:27,30 property this is an eight point eight or site that is located on Plymouth Road the 559 00:43:27,31 --> 00:43:33,62 north side right at the corner of Tech Center Drive and currently the properties 560 00:43:33,63 --> 00:43:39,75 you can see is own C two general business this site has two major tenants currently 561 00:43:39,76 --> 00:43:45,31 operating within the shopping center Dunham sporting goods and the big lots so the 562 00:43:45,32 --> 00:43:48,57 site was originally developed in one thousand nine hundred six as 563 00:43:48,58 --> 00:43:52,79 a builder Square home improvement store that's about eighty one thousand square 564 00:43:52,80 --> 00:43:58,18 feet in size in the ninety's the builder square left and then the that was the time 565 00:43:58,19 --> 00:44:04,15 when it was remodeled for the the two units that are there presently so adjoining 566 00:44:04,16 --> 00:44:05,58 the shopping center to the east as 567 00:44:05,59 --> 00:44:09,62 a Red Lobster restaurant Red Lobster is located on 568 00:44:09,63 --> 00:44:15,24 a separate parcel but it does share parking and access with the shopping center so 569 00:44:15,28 --> 00:44:21,60 each of the A major components include one expanding the existing retail center to 570 00:44:21,61 --> 00:44:22,10 construct 571 00:44:22,11 --> 00:44:28,60 a new freestanding tenant building in the front parking lot the third major item 572 00:44:28,61 --> 00:44:33,94 would be renovating the existing facade of the of the shopping complex And then 573 00:44:33,98 --> 00:44:39,39 lastly new monument signage so the addition. To the existing shopping center would 574 00:44:39,40 --> 00:44:46,04 occur at the West End it's shown on the bottom of this particular drying this 575 00:44:46,17 --> 00:44:50,69 edition would be twenty nine thousand square feet in size which is just under the 576 00:44:50,70 --> 00:44:53,75 thirty thousand square foot threshold qualify as 577 00:44:53,76 --> 00:44:57,44 a way reuse and has the dimensions of one hundred eighteen feet by two hundred 578 00:44:57,45 --> 00:45:03,63 forty two feet this area currently is paved and partially covered it previously 579 00:45:03,64 --> 00:45:09,04 served as the outdoor garden area for the Home Depot or excuse me for the builder 580 00:45:09,05 --> 00:45:15,65 Square but it has really not been utilized since the mid ninety's when when the 581 00:45:16,64 --> 00:45:18,85 home people left their cities we built 582 00:45:18,86 --> 00:45:23,58 a square with the additional space this would bring the to the larger portion of 583 00:45:23,59 --> 00:45:24,72 the shopping center up to 584 00:45:25,03 --> 00:45:29,31 a square footage one hundred ten thousand three hundred fifty five square feet the 585 00:45:29,32 --> 00:45:35,70 new addition could be divided into two tenant spaces along the front the addition 586 00:45:35,71 --> 00:45:38,70 would match the setback and form a really 587 00:45:38,71 --> 00:45:43,34 a continuation of the facade of the existing building there is a requirement for 588 00:45:43,35 --> 00:45:46,95 a twenty five foot setback along Tech Center Drive the plans are showing 589 00:45:46,96 --> 00:45:49,91 a twenty two foot setback and that really only applies to 590 00:45:49,92 --> 00:45:53,18 a small portion of the building These are the columns that are supporting an 591 00:45:53,19 --> 00:45:57,40 overhang above one of the entrances that will however require 592 00:45:57,44 --> 00:46:01,73 a variance from the Zoning Board of Appeals the new retail building which is shown 593 00:46:02,08 --> 00:46:05,66 in the front parking lot closer to Plymouth Road would be about fifty eight hundred 594 00:46:05,67 --> 00:46:11,06 square feet in size that could be divided into three tenant spaces the plans do 595 00:46:11,07 --> 00:46:11,31 show 596 00:46:11,32 --> 00:46:16,30 a drive up window facility on the West and cap as you know drive up operations are 597 00:46:16,31 --> 00:46:16,83 treated as 598 00:46:16,84 --> 00:46:22,62 a way of reducing the C to district this aspect of the proposal is only conceptual 599 00:46:22,63 --> 00:46:25,94 and will require a separate way of reuse petition once 600 00:46:25,95 --> 00:46:31,47 a specific user is identified and if this project moves forward the new building 601 00:46:31,48 --> 00:46:35,35 would not have direct access direct access from Plymouth Road So it's going to rely 602 00:46:35,36 --> 00:46:41,30 on ingress in Eagar asked that. Currently available from the existing driveways and 603 00:46:41,31 --> 00:46:46,07 maneuvering aisles of this includes four curb cuts including one off of Plymouth 604 00:46:46,08 --> 00:46:51,18 Road and then three off from Tech Center Drive in terms of the architecture and 605 00:46:51,19 --> 00:46:57,03 actually this plan really shows much better the overall relationship between not 606 00:46:57,04 --> 00:47:00,46 only the existing shopping center which is the larger building on the top of the 607 00:47:00,47 --> 00:47:04,88 drawing aisle but the new retail space which is directly in front of that and then 608 00:47:04,89 --> 00:47:09,72 on the bottom right hand side of the drawing is the existing Red Lobster restaurant 609 00:47:10,10 --> 00:47:16,97 so going back to the architectural this is the appearance of what the offices 610 00:47:17,27 --> 00:47:23,40 of the new shopping complex would look like the primary building materials as you 611 00:47:23,41 --> 00:47:27,31 can see include a brick veneer as well as 612 00:47:27,32 --> 00:47:33,77 a burnished block there are metal panels along the. Portion of the 613 00:47:33,78 --> 00:47:39,35 entranceways some decorative corner this overall height that is right around forty 614 00:47:39,36 --> 00:47:44,79 five feet of the architect is here this evening in Mr I would now or can describe 615 00:47:45,04 --> 00:47:49,99 all of those details and downsampling examples of the material that will be used in 616 00:47:50,00 --> 00:47:56,18 the in the construction so here's another view of the same building I think many of 617 00:47:56,19 --> 00:47:58,62 you are familiar with what it looks like it today but so this is 618 00:47:58,63 --> 00:48:03,32 a substantial change from the appearance of the building as it exists today and 619 00:48:03,33 --> 00:48:03,61 this is 620 00:48:03,62 --> 00:48:09,25 a smaller retail building and it really has several of the same elements and features 621 00:48:09,75 --> 00:48:11,46 as part of the sign it does have 622 00:48:11,47 --> 00:48:15,09 a little bit more masonry in the in the form of the brick veneer that would extend 623 00:48:15,10 --> 00:48:19,41 all the way up to the other corners but again you can see the canopies the metal 624 00:48:19,42 --> 00:48:26,17 canopies the metal panels used in the construction some stone cast own caps as 625 00:48:26,18 --> 00:48:31,20 well as the burnished block along the base of the building and this is all you know 626 00:48:31,76 --> 00:48:32,07 a kind of 627 00:48:32,08 --> 00:48:39,48 a grayish tone would be the theme throughout the the project. In terms of parking 628 00:48:39,92 --> 00:48:44,50 site currently has four hundred thirty four straight parking spaces the existing 629 00:48:44,51 --> 00:48:49,02 building requires only four hundred five spaces However fifty two spaces would be 630 00:48:49,03 --> 00:48:53,34 removed for this new retail building and when you consider the enlarge shopping 631 00:48:53,35 --> 00:48:58,08 center which requires an additional hundred forty seven spaces this building which 632 00:48:58,09 --> 00:49:02,19 requires an additional thirty one parking spaces that brings the total requirement 633 00:49:02,20 --> 00:49:08,24 up to about five hundred eighty three spaces. So the parking overall four hundred 634 00:49:08,25 --> 00:49:12,50 thirty three spaces are going to add some to the rear of the complex still results 635 00:49:12,51 --> 00:49:12,58 in 636 00:49:12,59 --> 00:49:16,37 a deficiency of about one hundred fifty spaces and that will have to go to the Zoning 637 00:49:16,38 --> 00:49:22,23 Board of Appeals for approval and while that number does seem significant. 638 00:49:23,47 --> 00:49:27,86 I think most people familiar with the shopping center would say that that 639 00:49:27,90 --> 00:49:34,12 deficiency would not be too impactful given the surplus amount of parking for the 640 00:49:34,13 --> 00:49:38,10 two users that are currently at this location we don't know who the third or fourth 641 00:49:38,11 --> 00:49:42,17 user would be in the large retail space so we don't know what the impact of parking 642 00:49:42,18 --> 00:49:47,18 would be but if it's anything similar to the users that are there today it should 643 00:49:47,19 --> 00:49:48,15 not pose 644 00:49:48,49 --> 00:49:55,21 a problem there are no plans to alter the sites landscaping. The petitioner is 645 00:49:55,22 --> 00:49:59,51 willing to work with the Development Authority doing incorporate some of their 646 00:49:59,62 --> 00:50:04,54 streetscape improvements the current resolution does call for upgrading the 647 00:50:04,55 --> 00:50:09,05 restoring all of the sites landscaping the landscaping really is in excellent 648 00:50:09,06 --> 00:50:11,06 condition but he does have 649 00:50:11,07 --> 00:50:15,37 a desire to change that so that something that would be we're recommending would be 650 00:50:15,38 --> 00:50:15,80 treated as 651 00:50:15,81 --> 00:50:20,22 a callback item when he can do all the final design and bring that to the P.R.T. 652 00:50:20,23 --> 00:50:25,67 a Again including some streetscape improvements for their consideration. Dumpster 653 00:50:25,68 --> 00:50:26,17 closures 654 00:50:26,18 --> 00:50:29,91 a requirement would enclose all of those and then lastly with respect to signage. 655 00:50:31,10 --> 00:50:37,43 The There are two monuments signs that are illustrated one would be twenty feet in 656 00:50:37,44 --> 00:50:42,34 height. And certainly require variances the other one would conform to the 657 00:50:42,35 --> 00:50:48,44 ordinance and would be limited to six feet in height but again we would treat that 658 00:50:48,45 --> 00:50:50,70 with the landscaping plan and have the P.R.T. 659 00:50:50,71 --> 00:50:54,43 a Review that before sending it off to the Zoning Board of Appeals at least that's 660 00:50:54,44 --> 00:50:57,93 our recommendation finding commission is recommending approval of this project 661 00:50:57,94 --> 00:51:02,08 thank you thank you is to me any questions for Mr mean at this time. 662 00:51:07,51 --> 00:51:13,97 You can promote. Your name and address or for the record Good evening 663 00:51:14,63 --> 00:51:16,61 my name is because they have to know from J.V. 664 00:51:16,62 --> 00:51:21,42 Associates. Conduct of this project and presenting. 665 00:51:23,44 --> 00:51:27,72 With us here tonight when he'll be talking I'm sorry what was his they just freaked 666 00:51:27,73 --> 00:51:34,38 about you think about Right OK Thank you. And 667 00:51:34,39 --> 00:51:41,32 your checks are yes OK so I actually. Like marks and we take the 668 00:51:41,33 --> 00:51:45,98 planning department for with the help he gave us to kind of put the project 669 00:51:45,99 --> 00:51:52,65 together and really we have an existing shopping center that we're providing 670 00:51:52,66 --> 00:51:57,28 a new addition to the existing shopping so. New. 671 00:51:59,21 --> 00:52:04,47 Building and the in the front we're really trying to kind of invade the whole 672 00:52:04,51 --> 00:52:05,93 existing shopping center as 673 00:52:05,94 --> 00:52:12,61 a facelift and adding twenty one thousand square feet to the building that now it's 674 00:52:12,62 --> 00:52:18,99 a video used to be. Covered area for Actually all the people it was 675 00:52:19,50 --> 00:52:23,78 and the material we're using. Using 676 00:52:24,07 --> 00:52:31,00 a lot of break. The lower part of the building we're using smooth the block 677 00:52:31,20 --> 00:52:35,95 for a small block in front of the whole facing of the project and we're adding 678 00:52:35,96 --> 00:52:41,76 a lot of details we're. Covering at the entrances of the. 679 00:52:43,17 --> 00:52:47,89 Front of the doors just where the location of the signage and stuff like that and 680 00:52:47,90 --> 00:52:48,95 in between we are adding 681 00:52:48,96 --> 00:52:55,73 a lot of detail of devival to different colors to different schemes and. The 682 00:52:55,74 --> 00:53:02,65 process like Marc said we're talking about the parking area and this act. We 683 00:53:02,66 --> 00:53:07,42 do have now for four hundred thirty four if we kind of innovate and put the dishes 684 00:53:07,43 --> 00:53:13,36 together the history of this project we always have issues that the parking seems 685 00:53:13,37 --> 00:53:18,30 empty because not too many people use in the parking and also there is the existing 686 00:53:18,31 --> 00:53:24,91 of us turn next to us. That merely had almost two hundred fifty cars and 687 00:53:24,92 --> 00:53:30,50 discuss this park and never been used and actually for that to retail existing 688 00:53:30,51 --> 00:53:35,18 retail most of the parking is actually parking where the restaurant parking has so 689 00:53:35,19 --> 00:53:40,71 that's why you see all the and close to the to Plymouth Road is always empty 690 00:53:40,72 --> 00:53:44,29 parking so the owner light like to put 691 00:53:44,92 --> 00:53:49,83 a free standing building first just to give more life for the project and at the 692 00:53:49,84 --> 00:53:56,40 same time. When of aiding the back and make it little bit look more updated with. 693 00:53:57,50 --> 00:54:03,43 With height and new materials and for the new addition we're putting in the back 694 00:54:03,44 --> 00:54:08,61 area we want it to the side of the building to look like the front of it that's why 695 00:54:08,62 --> 00:54:14,58 we created these columns and we added these two extra feet and the sat back. 696 00:54:16,05 --> 00:54:20,54 Really we can push the building back but it sounded like it's 697 00:54:20,55 --> 00:54:25,11 a good connection just between the front and the side of it especially you have 698 00:54:25,12 --> 00:54:28,46 a vote on the side of it and give the building better but 699 00:54:28,47 --> 00:54:35,29 a lot. For the landscaping the landscape the existing landscaping and 700 00:54:35,30 --> 00:54:40,22 very good shape but the owner is willing to. Play. 701 00:54:43,58 --> 00:54:46,58 With the community just to make things 702 00:54:46,63 --> 00:54:53,32 a little bit better and add more stuff in the front. And for the signage we have to 703 00:54:53,33 --> 00:54:58,78 signage we're asking for there's an existing Scion is six feet high but the owner 704 00:54:58,79 --> 00:54:59,70 want to propose 705 00:54:59,71 --> 00:55:06,44 a twenty feet high sign that actually becomes an issue for the back there too 706 00:55:06,45 --> 00:55:12,49 far away from. From the street and people are having 707 00:55:12,50 --> 00:55:18,40 a hard time knowing who's in the back so we're trying to create that Scion using 708 00:55:18,41 --> 00:55:23,32 the same materials that we're using for the new innovation with the. Driver with 709 00:55:23,33 --> 00:55:29,41 the strong with the limestone all the good stuff just to give some reference to the 710 00:55:29,42 --> 00:55:35,87 back we tell that existing on the site and try to give them the better of 711 00:55:36,79 --> 00:55:43,77 view from people passing on clever thought. And. Actually we're looking forward to 712 00:55:43,78 --> 00:55:49,77 work with you we would like to take any suggestion you have and I don't know if 713 00:55:49,78 --> 00:55:56,48 they're on like that. But the comments. Great 714 00:55:56,63 --> 00:56:02,64 thank you very much for all those explanations I'll turn to our council see if the 715 00:56:02,98 --> 00:56:07,19 vice president chali Thank you Madam President I will not comment on the design 716 00:56:07,37 --> 00:56:11,67 I'll defer to our resident architect in terms of the ascetics in regards this 717 00:56:11,68 --> 00:56:17,50 matter but I would ask because you are looking to expand the available commercial 718 00:56:17,51 --> 00:56:19,69 space in this area I want to know number one have you done 719 00:56:19,70 --> 00:56:23,88 a market study to see if that is justified and warranted in this particular area. 720 00:56:25,87 --> 00:56:32,08 Because that's important to gauge. How desirable it really will be in the long run 721 00:56:32,45 --> 00:56:36,23 so if you could address that please you know we've been approached by several 722 00:56:36,24 --> 00:56:39,14 retailers to actually we're talking to a gym to 723 00:56:39,15 --> 00:56:43,37 a fitness place to take the thirty thousand square feet that is in the back as we 724 00:56:43,38 --> 00:56:46,89 speak and that's something that we're already talking to we also have 725 00:56:46,90 --> 00:56:49,02 a drive through user such as 726 00:56:49,03 --> 00:56:55,72 a single shopper this comes to the front Well I. I don't know how closely you 727 00:56:55,73 --> 00:57:01,24 follow new politics in the pulse of our community but. I don't know how necessary 728 00:57:01,25 --> 00:57:06,52 or appropriate an additional gym might be for this market so he might want to look 729 00:57:06,53 --> 00:57:06,86 into that 730 00:57:06,87 --> 00:57:10,30 a little bit just to see whether or not there would be. You know something to 731 00:57:10,31 --> 00:57:14,83 pursue in the long run here. But in terms of this new Out lot in this new new 732 00:57:14,84 --> 00:57:21,28 building you gauge that that is warranted as well yes. OK well 733 00:57:22,11 --> 00:57:28,71 with that I'll see the four Thank you should. Be one. If we. 734 00:57:29,86 --> 00:57:35,94 Didn't hear and I think you I too will defer to. To Mr Crisman and design elements 735 00:57:35,95 --> 00:57:39,100 I will say that the the new building the big building certainly looks like 736 00:57:40,01 --> 00:57:44,06 a big improvement and also bears an uncanny resemblance to Wesley at city hall. 737 00:57:45,25 --> 00:57:45,64 Which is 738 00:57:45,65 --> 00:57:51,43 a converted big box so it was interesting that's what struck me but to the point 739 00:57:51,44 --> 00:57:55,83 that Mr Jolly made or vice president jolly made about the about the building in the 740 00:57:55,87 --> 00:58:00,83 outline again I realize what we're here to do tonight is evaluated site plan but 741 00:58:00,84 --> 00:58:05,85 right across the street we've got a lot of vacancies in the class 742 00:58:05,86 --> 00:58:08,42 a commercial I don't know of class A is 743 00:58:08,43 --> 00:58:13,07 a credit designation but certainly new attractive commercial space right on 744 00:58:13,20 --> 00:58:17,67 Plymouth Road So we're here to talk about the site plan but I am concerned about 745 00:58:18,45 --> 00:58:24,92 yet another multi multi tenant retail building that's going to have vacancy signs 746 00:58:24,93 --> 00:58:31,68 in the window so thank you chair certainly thank you. And the others 747 00:58:32,50 --> 00:58:37,84 comes with Christmas Thank you Madam Chair. Through the chair to the petitioner I 748 00:58:37,90 --> 00:58:39,51 think overall it's a it's 749 00:58:39,52 --> 00:58:45,43 a sharp design it really is striking. You know the variety of grays in the thing is 750 00:58:45,88 --> 00:58:52,84 certainly something that's going to speak well to the. Current. Color 751 00:58:52,85 --> 00:58:59,16 preferences out there I think the idea of developing the extra building out front 752 00:58:59,62 --> 00:59:03,95 is very compatible with what's going on in the rest of the retail market it's very 753 00:59:04,14 --> 00:59:08,87 palatable with what's going on across the street I think one of the things that we 754 00:59:08,88 --> 00:59:15,46 would always look at in that case is how the rear of the building gets treated when 755 00:59:15,47 --> 00:59:16,06 you're building 756 00:59:16,07 --> 00:59:20,77 a lot like this this is what we call three hundred sixty degree architecture where 757 00:59:20,78 --> 00:59:24,64 it's happening on every side of it and our greatest regrets from 758 00:59:24,65 --> 00:59:28,80 a council perspective is driving behind one of these buildings and say I didn't 759 00:59:28,81 --> 00:59:32,08 think about the utilities and didn't think about this I didn't think about that. 760 00:59:33,22 --> 00:59:38,55 And so how you deal with those items I think will be very very important and I have 761 00:59:38,56 --> 00:59:45,50 not been able to make my way through the the full laundry list of items 762 00:59:46,10 --> 00:59:49,15 related to that in part because 763 00:59:49,16 --> 00:59:54,76 a lot of it is shown and so I would like to hear from you guys how you plan on 764 00:59:54,77 --> 00:59:59,79 dealing with those BACK OF HOUSE items how you plan on dealing with traction how 765 00:59:59,80 --> 01:00:04,20 you plan on dealing with the gas meters in the last recall meters and all of those 766 01:00:04,21 --> 01:00:10,59 kind of clear parts now on the upside your color schemes gray and those tend to be 767 01:00:10,70 --> 01:00:17,50 gray pieces on the utility side so you got that going for you but. I think that 768 01:00:17,51 --> 01:00:21,54 would be one interesting thing I'd like to see a deal with or at least expand on 769 01:00:21,55 --> 01:00:23,28 a little more from 770 01:00:23,29 --> 01:00:27,53 a material standpoint I appreciate the materials that you selected I mean you've 771 01:00:27,54 --> 01:00:28,13 been before 772 01:00:28,14 --> 01:00:31,95 a certain off times to know we are going. And to be looking for on this and I 773 01:00:31,96 --> 01:00:36,29 commend you for responding to those previous experiences I think what you've 774 01:00:36,30 --> 01:00:42,06 brought us here this evening is something that everyone's attracted to. For my own 775 01:00:42,07 --> 01:00:47,50 sake I think the only concern I have is you know in the in the write up it 776 01:00:47,51 --> 01:00:52,88 initially sounds like the building edition is in the same footprint as the covered 777 01:00:52,89 --> 01:00:59,59 storage previously but it's not it's an expansion of that and it's taking away that 778 01:00:59,60 --> 01:01:05,61 Dr Lane and the additional parking they would be used to service that and so all of 779 01:01:05,62 --> 01:01:10,33 the improvements to the building are to drive more people there and to make it more 780 01:01:10,34 --> 01:01:16,21 attractive so even without the out building there's an expectation that you would 781 01:01:16,22 --> 01:01:21,71 be bringing more people to the site when you add an additional building to the site 782 01:01:22,47 --> 01:01:26,83 you're taking away more parking and creating more demand on the parking so I think 783 01:01:26,84 --> 01:01:27,01 there's 784 01:01:27,02 --> 01:01:33,80 a far greater scrutiny to be had on the on the parking area so I do have concern 785 01:01:33,81 --> 01:01:38,64 about taking that addition all the way out to the edge and cutting off that drive 786 01:01:38,65 --> 01:01:42,74 while cutting off that parking and I think that something that council should be 787 01:01:42,75 --> 01:01:43,40 looking at 788 01:01:44,02 --> 01:01:50,56 a little bit more closely to understand the impact of that. If I recall correctly 789 01:01:50,57 --> 01:01:51,59 in here there was 790 01:01:52,40 --> 01:01:56,44 a letter from the fire department stating that they didn't have any issues with it 791 01:01:56,44 --> 01:02:02,11 . But that's something I would want to verify 792 01:02:02,12 --> 01:02:06,79 a bit I feel like we've got four letters from Scott Miller but nothing for form. 793 01:02:10,00 --> 01:02:14,09 So that's something I'd want to check all of them are I don't have any questions 794 01:02:14,10 --> 01:02:16,78 about that design over there or the materials I think did 795 01:02:16,79 --> 01:02:21,62 a good job outlining what those were Adam and well illustrated on the documents and 796 01:02:21,63 --> 01:02:26,28 you've got the samples here so I guess I'm all set from that regard but those are 797 01:02:26,34 --> 01:02:31,48 those are my items if there is an improving resolution tonight I would hope that it 798 01:02:31,49 --> 01:02:31,85 goes on 799 01:02:31,86 --> 01:02:38,63 a regular agenda. Thank you. For the sake of. The building 800 01:02:38,75 --> 01:02:42,38 in the front of the Usually we're trying to use the same materials around the 801 01:02:42,39 --> 01:02:48,95 building to store all the details will be used to try to use it from all sides for 802 01:02:48,96 --> 01:02:51,63 the wood creating in this building it's 803 01:02:51,64 --> 01:02:58,30 a small utility. Built room inside you put most of the utilities coming to 804 01:02:58,31 --> 01:03:00,18 a tree and they're going to see much outside 805 01:03:00,50 --> 01:03:05,86 a less maybe the gas line or something just water but we're trying to make it very 806 01:03:05,86 --> 01:03:10,73 . Typical that usually small because we only have to be spaces and so you're not 807 01:03:10,74 --> 01:03:15,86 going to have very big. The room with shows in the back which we're going to kind 808 01:03:15,87 --> 01:03:21,87 of. Put everything covered inside. And that has the access from the back. 809 01:03:24,10 --> 01:03:27,74 A lot usually for the circulation because of the dish and the twenty nine thousand 810 01:03:27,75 --> 01:03:33,92 square feet building because we do have these two entrances the circulation really 811 01:03:33,93 --> 01:03:38,52 is not affecting too much if people want to go from the back we have transferred 812 01:03:38,53 --> 01:03:45,08 the back and to us from the front of the building that we did in fact. We talked 813 01:03:45,09 --> 01:03:51,96 with the fire department and they didn't think that was the issue and. But I 814 01:03:51,97 --> 01:03:57,73 love for the parking we required to have more parking but there's 815 01:03:57,74 --> 01:04:02,93 a lot of the new project we're doing we're trying to find out that there's 816 01:04:02,94 --> 01:04:07,73 a lot of extra parking that people are not using lately so it's sort of having 817 01:04:07,74 --> 01:04:13,72 a sea of park that's why we try to make the project look more cause less. 818 01:04:15,63 --> 01:04:20,23 Park and around the building and the back area we added all the lines of parking 819 01:04:20,24 --> 01:04:24,69 that supposedly we're going to be using it for the employees and the back and keep 820 01:04:24,70 --> 01:04:31,23 all the front parking people. Coming to the shopping center and also. 821 01:04:32,76 --> 01:04:32,93 There's 822 01:04:32,94 --> 01:04:38,54 a potential that also for the US to own the timing of the US because most of the 823 01:04:38,55 --> 01:04:44,39 parking in the back is actually now used by the people coming to these two. 824 01:04:45,83 --> 01:04:52,67 Planets space in the back area. And. Like we said we're willing to work with you 825 01:04:52,68 --> 01:04:55,24 guys and see what we need to do and come up with 826 01:04:55,25 --> 01:05:00,29 a good project thank you council member do you just with your work with 827 01:05:00,34 --> 01:05:03,84 a sim you do these kind of projects with other communities do you have 828 01:05:03,85 --> 01:05:10,46 a sense as to what. Kind of. From your perspective what kind of parking would be 829 01:05:10,47 --> 01:05:14,89 required from this from your business perspective usually because of these big 830 01:05:14,90 --> 01:05:20,66 boxes they require hundred sixty square feet per car I think. 831 01:05:21,72 --> 01:05:27,57 And these these tunnels they wish they have that many people in these buildings guy 832 01:05:27,57 --> 01:05:30,63 . The reason I'm asking is I don't have 833 01:05:30,64 --> 01:05:34,89 a way of reconciling this in my mind I'm not familiar I'm not familiar enough with 834 01:05:34,90 --> 01:05:40,28 the science of parking and. To say no but I do think that there's certainly 835 01:05:40,29 --> 01:05:43,50 excessive parking there today I mean this parking lot is never anywhere close to 836 01:05:43,51 --> 01:05:48,92 full now I also know that. When you revamp 837 01:05:48,93 --> 01:05:53,40 a facility like this sometimes adding an addition to it sometimes just put the 838 01:05:53,41 --> 01:05:54,52 outlet out there that can have 839 01:05:54,53 --> 01:05:59,86 a multiplying effect that can and I hope for your sake that happens that kid can 840 01:05:59,87 --> 01:06:03,11 increase that rapidly we've certainly seen that in other areas of the city where it 841 01:06:03,12 --> 01:06:04,34 just takes one business as 842 01:06:04,35 --> 01:06:07,93 a catalyst and you take ninety six and Noble for example I mean one business 843 01:06:07,94 --> 01:06:14,89 completely exploded the development in an area. Today you got way more parking 844 01:06:14,90 --> 01:06:19,18 what you need and so based on that I look at you know one hundred fifty space 845 01:06:19,19 --> 01:06:25,71 assured out of five hundred eighty three. You know hold my finger to the wind I 846 01:06:25,72 --> 01:06:27,51 would say that's not going to be 847 01:06:27,52 --> 01:06:30,38 a problem I just don't know what kind of impact these additional businesses are 848 01:06:30,39 --> 01:06:35,67 going to have some different businesses they have different timing in the back area 849 01:06:35,67 --> 01:06:37,77 . Having 850 01:06:37,78 --> 01:06:44,61 a big boxes and. A lot of parking. The only area that we're thinking to 851 01:06:44,62 --> 01:06:47,19 have us to isn't a small front building and we do have 852 01:06:47,20 --> 01:06:53,65 a device to afford that and very small it's going to fast capital. So 853 01:06:54,30 --> 01:07:01,29 in the back area in. I think they would love to have the bucket 854 01:07:01,30 --> 01:07:06,72 full but yeah it becomes a good bet if any to the chair to Mark. And Mark I'm 855 01:07:06,73 --> 01:07:07,20 a put you on 856 01:07:07,21 --> 01:07:13,70 a spot here I'm not trying to be. We've had these conversations before I and one 857 01:07:13,71 --> 01:07:17,47 sense I love one is parking requirements if you ever try to eat lunch in choice 858 01:07:17,48 --> 01:07:21,47 during the business day you appreciate his parking requirements because that's one 859 01:07:21,48 --> 01:07:25,75 place he can't find parking at certain times. But we've talked about this before I 860 01:07:25,76 --> 01:07:31,24 do think that in many cases we require excessive parking. Not looking to revamp the 861 01:07:31,25 --> 01:07:32,94 whole parking requirement thing here tonight we do have 862 01:07:32,95 --> 01:07:37,64 a sense Mark is too if if this were in Southfield For example do you know how we 863 01:07:37,65 --> 01:07:41,11 compared other communities are we way beyond what they would require is it in the 864 01:07:41,12 --> 01:07:45,02 ballpark what other communities would require for something right now I think our 865 01:07:45,03 --> 01:07:50,52 parking standards probably do are our excess of what it comes as compared to other 866 01:07:51,00 --> 01:07:56,91 communities you know we hear four per thousand square feet of usable floor area is 867 01:07:56,92 --> 01:08:03,58 in line with. The standards that are being put in place today. Were 868 01:08:03,59 --> 01:08:07,12 substantially more than that and that's one of the issues I think we we want to 869 01:08:07,13 --> 01:08:12,19 address. Following the completion of the master plan we do have plans to take 870 01:08:12,20 --> 01:08:16,07 a comprehensive look at the zoning ordinance and I know the parking regulations are 871 01:08:16,08 --> 01:08:22,41 going to be top on my list to to look at. And make changes where 872 01:08:22,42 --> 01:08:29,33 necessary so you know when you consider for example. One some of the 873 01:08:29,65 --> 01:08:31,91 more studies suggest that 874 01:08:31,92 --> 01:08:35,58 a four per thousand what they're proposing is more in line with with current 875 01:08:35,59 --> 01:08:41,43 standards so I just the math for me this just doesn't make me uneasy I mean I. 876 01:08:42,50 --> 01:08:45,77 As I said in the past and continue to say I'd love to have 877 01:08:45,78 --> 01:08:49,94 a parking problem out here you know just about anywhere parking problems are 878 01:08:50,66 --> 01:08:51,09 sometimes 879 01:08:51,10 --> 01:08:57,97 a good thing to have when it comes to retail and so. I'm fairly comfortable 880 01:08:57,98 --> 01:09:03,51 again it has to review the review by the. This or import of Appeals as well and I'm 881 01:09:03,52 --> 01:09:04,23 sure there are dive 882 01:09:04,24 --> 01:09:08,13 a little bit more into what those other parking standards are but we can provide 883 01:09:08,14 --> 01:09:11,94 that to you part of the voting medium if you'd like to make some comparisons with 884 01:09:11,95 --> 01:09:13,34 other community we do already have 885 01:09:13,35 --> 01:09:20,25 a resolution until you know no I don't approve if. We have an approving. Comes 886 01:09:20,26 --> 01:09:26,96 when Christmas and to Mr Barr for that premiss or I stated previously that 887 01:09:26,97 --> 01:09:30,89 request this be on the regular as opposed to consent if you'd prefer and I can send 888 01:09:31,24 --> 01:09:34,97 them sections sorry I said we were never as Lucian No he just know they were saying 889 01:09:34,98 --> 01:09:39,01 I have no use they said if anybody put one up I don't prefer that it be honoring 890 01:09:39,02 --> 01:09:42,66 everyday regular fur and consent that's put on a regular I think it's 891 01:09:42,67 --> 01:09:44,32 a big enough project that it warrants being 892 01:09:44,33 --> 01:09:49,78 a regular especially somebody absent tonight. Madam Chair Yeah one question I have 893 01:09:49,78 --> 01:09:56,58 . Remaining and perhaps this is maybe through you to to the law department or to 894 01:09:56,59 --> 01:10:02,96 Mr Jermyn This reminds me of a problem that's been aggravating me for 895 01:10:02,97 --> 01:10:09,21 a while related to Sheldon village. Which is the shopping center at Plymouth and 896 01:10:09,22 --> 01:10:14,95 Farmington you know that project was proposed to us with significant renovation of 897 01:10:14,96 --> 01:10:19,49 the existing building just like this. I believe maybe even 898 01:10:19,50 --> 01:10:21,84 a small addition to what was just 899 01:10:21,85 --> 01:10:26,44 a facade renovation but then there was the out lot component to it and we were 900 01:10:26,45 --> 01:10:31,52 under the impression that that was all going to be happening. Within 901 01:10:31,53 --> 01:10:37,23 a relatively shorter timeframe than the actual execution and I don't mean to put 902 01:10:37,24 --> 01:10:42,25 these guys through any additional hurdles but the question that I would have for us 903 01:10:42,26 --> 01:10:46,20 is what teeth do we have. To deal with 904 01:10:46,21 --> 01:10:50,49 a situation like what's happening with Sheldon village where you know the money 905 01:10:50,50 --> 01:10:56,35 maker was built out front as the outline and there's been no actual progress on the 906 01:10:56,36 --> 01:10:57,38 building other than 907 01:10:57,39 --> 01:11:03,55 a sign saying coming soon two thousand and seventeen. So I don't know if there's an 908 01:11:03,56 --> 01:11:07,87 update Mr term mean it could lead to that but yeah and whether or not their 909 01:11:07,88 --> 01:11:13,83 intentions are you know simply temporarily waylaid or not I think there's some 910 01:11:14,08 --> 01:11:14,49 teeth 911 01:11:14,50 --> 01:11:19,68 a mechanism we need to have in place here where we have an understanding of what 912 01:11:19,69 --> 01:11:24,08 scope of work can be accomplished and when so that we don't find ourselves in 913 01:11:24,09 --> 01:11:28,02 a situation where and this isn't to say anything about the petitioner is in hand 914 01:11:28,41 --> 01:11:29,79 but we don't have to find ourselves in 915 01:11:29,80 --> 01:11:34,82 a situation where someone builds out the out law to maximize the income of the 916 01:11:34,83 --> 01:11:39,20 property and then washes their hands of the rest of what we considered all part of 917 01:11:39,21 --> 01:11:45,61 the same responsibility and and as it relates specifically to Sheldon Center 918 01:11:46,27 --> 01:11:50,04 I know that in my most recent conversation with the owner of the property he has 919 01:11:50,05 --> 01:11:54,21 all intention to proceeding with the facade renovation that's great to hear in the 920 01:11:54,22 --> 01:12:00,93 near term in terms of what teeth we have. That has all been permitted so so the 921 01:12:00,97 --> 01:12:03,26 inspection department did require as 922 01:12:03,27 --> 01:12:08,97 a condition of granting the permit for the first hour lot that the construction 923 01:12:08,98 --> 01:12:12,90 drawings be completed for the facade renovations which they were and were all 924 01:12:12,91 --> 01:12:17,90 permitted and the fact that there are two other out parcels that's part of that 925 01:12:17,91 --> 01:12:23,12 development really the hammer is no permits on those until the facade renovations 926 01:12:23,39 --> 01:12:26,05 completed so so yeah I think I think there are there is 927 01:12:26,06 --> 01:12:33,04 a. Mechanism in place for that particular project and then we could do 928 01:12:33,05 --> 01:12:36,36 something similarly for this project so if that's 929 01:12:36,37 --> 01:12:42,34 a concern of the the inadvisable usually have the reality lots and so there is an 930 01:12:42,35 --> 01:12:47,05 opportunity to put the hammer on building twenty three in this instance we don't 931 01:12:47,06 --> 01:12:52,91 have. Well we have the addition to the retail for so certainly and the new retail 932 01:12:52,92 --> 01:12:55,30 building so we can discuss this with 933 01:12:55,31 --> 01:13:00,03 a lot of carbon to find out what appropriate language can be and I just did in 934 01:13:00,04 --> 01:13:03,34 resolution in order to address that concern after 935 01:13:03,35 --> 01:13:08,00 a set that I think that's something that as we continue down this road this new 936 01:13:08,01 --> 01:13:12,71 model of you know retail development we're going to find ourselves dealing with 937 01:13:12,72 --> 01:13:18,81 that more and more as it relates to existing strip centers so if you could look 938 01:13:18,82 --> 01:13:24,11 into that that would be much appreciated. Councilman Barr sorry just wanted to 939 01:13:24,36 --> 01:13:29,85 comment for the. Council's benefit based on the rough metric Mark threw out there 940 01:13:29,86 --> 01:13:34,56 did some quick math here this is actually sixty spaces in excess of that metric so 941 01:13:34,57 --> 01:13:40,71 anybody that has any concern about the parking I think. Maybe that will help 942 01:13:40,72 --> 01:13:43,88 alleviate it a little bit Thanks thank you OK just 943 01:13:43,89 --> 01:13:49,25 a few questions real quick. Search Do you own any other property in the city alone 944 01:13:49,26 --> 01:13:53,31 you're thinking about where. You know the A.B.C. 945 01:13:53,31 --> 01:13:58,50 Plaza next door to the just in location that were remodeling right now so there is 946 01:13:58,51 --> 01:14:04,70 next is that yes many plans for that not at the moment OK I don't have any plans 947 01:14:04,77 --> 01:14:06,32 maybe there may be 948 01:14:06,33 --> 01:14:12,59 a possibility coming to remodel the west side of the property. Where the long strip 949 01:14:12,61 --> 01:14:14,86 does the retrace and not the A.B.C. 950 01:14:14,87 --> 01:14:19,75 Or the Phantom Fireworks Yes Oh I see OK We currently own also a property that is 951 01:14:19,76 --> 01:14:22,70 a middle belt which is one five nine eight three both which is 952 01:14:22,70 --> 01:14:28,75 a pharmacy now used to be Old Bank of America it's right on the in the middle about 953 01:14:28,76 --> 01:14:29,08 that is 954 01:14:29,09 --> 01:14:34,48 a Linden or Puritan. Right at the corner I thought I thought I recognized you from 955 01:14:34,49 --> 01:14:41,23 this I have various times yes yes it's that's what you call each. And 956 01:14:41,24 --> 01:14:46,78 also we're getting away from the Livonia Brownlee used to be we did all brown 957 01:14:46,79 --> 01:14:50,15 buildings in this community and I like I like the fact that we're doing you know 958 01:14:50,16 --> 01:14:55,81 really I think you were just trying to do something different to look at Ford Road 959 01:14:55,82 --> 01:15:02,11 between dollars. Between. Like every 960 01:15:02,65 --> 01:15:06,57 great here or here in town between beach daily minks there's a there is 961 01:15:07,32 --> 01:15:09,18 a shopping center that was just done there it's 962 01:15:09,19 --> 01:15:14,17 a small eight thousand retail very similar and color scheme and so on and we 963 01:15:14,18 --> 01:15:18,40 resigned the sun as well oh great very nice and then 964 01:15:18,44 --> 01:15:20,71 a time line I hear you haven't to go 965 01:15:20,75 --> 01:15:25,70 a lot of different places for this project sorry what kind of timeline are you on 966 01:15:25,71 --> 01:15:29,36 circus I hear you having to go to the zoning board is going to have to go here 967 01:15:29,37 --> 01:15:34,41 there and I just wondered how that you know I mean over the years time schedule we 968 01:15:34,42 --> 01:15:38,07 were we don't know how fast this is going to go through here as well as we don't 969 01:15:38,08 --> 01:15:42,73 know what the timeline that moves through the city as well so we're hoping to start 970 01:15:42,74 --> 01:15:48,21 this year but if it gets farther down where it's toward you know the spammer 971 01:15:48,22 --> 01:15:51,28 October tell you right now it's not going to happen most likely two thousand I 972 01:15:51,29 --> 01:15:55,16 think I was hoping to do with the sheriff possible but again we don't know what the 973 01:15:55,17 --> 01:16:00,04 speed that it's going to go through here we're not in you don't have any real 974 01:16:00,05 --> 01:16:02,51 specific users other than perhaps 975 01:16:02,52 --> 01:16:08,51 a gym or an exercise center in mind because there would rely on how many and I'm 976 01:16:08,83 --> 01:16:14,25 not going to debate the parking whatsoever but I'm just saying that would also you 977 01:16:14,26 --> 01:16:14,61 know have 978 01:16:14,62 --> 01:16:21,23 a big big impact on your usage you know in that facility I would guess as well as 979 01:16:21,24 --> 01:16:25,79 now that out loud I think which council member alluded to that that brings out 980 01:16:25,80 --> 01:16:30,58 a nuance and that their piece of property in normally are not for these outlets 981 01:16:30,59 --> 01:16:34,03 because I think it. Jeopardizes the businesses that are already there and I know 982 01:16:34,04 --> 01:16:39,30 it's him vulgar but I think your property lends itself to an outline there because 983 01:16:39,31 --> 01:16:39,62 you have 984 01:16:39,63 --> 01:16:44,90 a lot of space and then with your signs I'm glad you're concerned about those as 985 01:16:44,91 --> 01:16:47,05 far as the users behind it because if I was 986 01:16:47,06 --> 01:16:52,92 a retailer and moved then and I was as close as Sheldon center is right now I'd be 987 01:16:53,17 --> 01:16:59,57 very upset that I'm paying rent and have and not be maybe to be seen because that 988 01:16:59,58 --> 01:17:03,54 was part of my venue even though that shopping center was built back in the fifty's 989 01:17:03,55 --> 01:17:10,40 if not late forty's but that's just my opinion but all I'm saying is your pavement 990 01:17:10,41 --> 01:17:14,21 then is pretty good there as well right your ashfall things like that it's up to 991 01:17:14,22 --> 01:17:16,07 date because I know your other center there's 992 01:17:16,08 --> 01:17:21,16 a little rough at times well we will again once the project starts and once we do 993 01:17:21,17 --> 01:17:22,74 the project we want to make sure that 994 01:17:22,75 --> 01:17:26,82 a lot as well then it's brought up to date if it needs work that has to be done is 995 01:17:26,83 --> 01:17:29,13 alternately if you know we're going to spend all that money we're going to make 996 01:17:29,14 --> 01:17:32,81 sure everything is going to be up to our needs to be because ultimately you're not 997 01:17:32,82 --> 01:17:37,09 going to have a finished product OK I GET IT NOW long or short term but sometimes 998 01:17:37,10 --> 01:17:38,44 a long term gets 999 01:17:38,45 --> 01:17:43,93 a little shaky and you know we want to kept up obviously you know that's 1000 01:17:43,94 --> 01:17:46,58 a nonissue long after I'm not here you know that's 1001 01:17:46,59 --> 01:17:51,40 a non-issue OK great it's been great you know just to be clear and for the record 1002 01:17:51,44 --> 01:17:56,14 and I don't know if we don't get it done as cuts when Prince been says people come 1003 01:17:56,15 --> 01:18:00,91 in and request these lovely things and then there's not always Afzali through so 1004 01:18:01,03 --> 01:18:05,50 that's I just want to be clear I understood what comes of the Christmas as far as 1005 01:18:05,51 --> 01:18:10,34 you know hey we might develop one part and just kind of slack off and not be able 1006 01:18:10,35 --> 01:18:11,75 to do the rest of this is a 1007 01:18:12,22 --> 01:18:15,63 a one time project I mean this is not something that's going to be done in phases 1008 01:18:15,64 --> 01:18:18,23 we're going to make sure that we're going to be doing this service is we have other 1009 01:18:18,24 --> 01:18:22,71 retailers are depending on us and when we've designed this we've kept the retailers 1010 01:18:22,72 --> 01:18:28,97 in the back in our mind because we made sure they had enough elevations and so the 1011 01:18:28,98 --> 01:18:34,72 retailers are very visible from women. I agree with you and have an assignment is 1012 01:18:34,73 --> 01:18:39,93 crucial to this development because if we don't have any visibility for those 1013 01:18:39,94 --> 01:18:44,51 tenets in the back we have issues by people will not recognize that they're there 1014 01:18:44,83 --> 01:18:49,09 absolutely no have vacancies which we don't need I want to see and as much as I 1015 01:18:49,10 --> 01:18:55,07 want to do the developed perfect perfect if I may Mr term in another no we and I'm 1016 01:18:55,08 --> 01:18:58,56 a little out of order here and I can weigh toddies communication if you like but 1017 01:18:58,83 --> 01:19:02,69 could we check out the marathon station where the response to be assigned posted by 1018 01:19:02,70 --> 01:19:08,89 Kroger to say what's coming. Up Merriman and five mile I really appreciate its been 1019 01:19:09,22 --> 01:19:12,42 several weeks now and that. We did approve 1020 01:19:12,43 --> 01:19:17,05 a sign for that why he hasn't installed yeah yeah if you wouldn't want someone 1021 01:19:17,12 --> 01:19:21,75 Thank you sir thank you for coming in tonight you do have an approving the regular 1022 01:19:21,76 --> 01:19:27,07 world we voted on that on March the twelfth OK And we appreciate you doing business 1023 01:19:27,08 --> 01:19:31,46 in our great city Thank you yes sort of do they keep very much thank you and any 1024 01:19:31,47 --> 01:19:36,95 others anybody from the audience sadness before we leave now OK then we're back 1025 01:19:36,96 --> 01:19:43,15 tardy and communication anybody wishing to speak on any item that was unarmed for 1026 01:19:43,16 --> 01:19:48,49 this evening approach put in the left or right here and see none I believe we can 1027 01:19:48,50 --> 01:19:54,14 safely say Good Night Live Oh no. Oh no sorry guys you started that's OK.