WEBVTT Kind: captions Language: en 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:25.609 align:start position:0% foreign good morning and welcome to moments with Melinda I am your host Melinda Moulton and today I have the rock star Jeff Salisbury with me Jeff how you doing I'm well thank you it's been a weird couple of three years but I'm doing fine thanks well you look great well it's all those preservatives I've been eating well there you go well you look terrific and I really appreciate you being on my show I'm excited to share with my viewers your life and your career so let me tell my viewers a little bit about you Jeff Salisbury teached drum set at the University of Vermont and was the vice president of the Vermont chapter of the percussive arts society he served as an artistic advisor for the Discover Jazz Festival Jeff has played for the Albert King blues band and cold blood in the late 1960s and he has performed with Chuck Berry and Bo Diddley and many other artists in the r b and Jazz he performed with James Harvey peer pressure and and the scalar Grupo Sexton he has studied with George Marsh Bob Moses and Pete magadini and is a drum Workshop drum set artist Jeff has appeared in modern drummer and downbeat magazines his articles have been published in percussive notes percussion news and drum instructors only and you've written a book we're going to talk about that so do I cover did I cover everything was that fair oh yeah I mean there's there's a bunch of stuff to in between all that but of course but uh I started out in Columbus Ohio where I was born and grew up mainly in Indianapolis Indiana but just as I turned 15 my dad got a job in San Antonio Texas and so we moved from Indianapolis to San Antonio which was a blessing it was very good for me because I was spinning my wheels at the age of 14 and not knowing anything to do except uh vandalize and shoplift and like those uh you know sort of middle school activities uh so moving to San Antonio was excellent my brother and I were walking along our street not knowing anyone and heard live music coming from a house we sort of camped out in the yard and the people came out and invited us to come in and it turned out one of our neighbors was having this jam session and so I got my first opportunity to play a drum set there and through that I met two other young guys teenagers and we started our first band in San Antonio and we played benefit for the muscular dystrophy Association and played at the tuberculosis Hospital on the back of a flatbud bed truck where I first saw blue masks then back in 1964 but the pivotal part that happened uh Kenny Edwards the guitar player called me up one day and said how would you like to help me set up some equipment for this band that's coming to the team Fair and this is June of 1964 I said well what band is it some band from England uh called The Rolling Stones so we got some equipment from Caldwell music we took it out to the Joe Freeman Coliseum the livestock exhibition Hall set up the equipment for the Rolling Stones and they came in and we saw them we saw their sound check and in between the sound check and their concert Bill Wyman was just sitting on the stoop there were very few people there I was poorly promoted and poorly attended but Bill Wyman was just sitting out on a step and we approached him and told him we had a little band and invited us back into the dressing room which was in the livestock Hall it's not like a big fancy thing and so Bobby V and Diane Renee and the Rolling Stones were all in the dressing room Bill Wyman borrowed teeth Richard's guitar and had Kenny sit down and he took his little acoustic electric base and accompanied Kenny and they played a little Blues and then we watched their concert and I thought these guys are doing this I I can I can do this this is what I want to do and so I've been doing it ever since and as long as they're still rolling I guess I can as well and that was a true sort of light bulb moment a moment of inspiration and later on the next year I saw James Brown 1965. it was totally rearranged my mind and shortly thereafter I saw the Dave Brubeck Quartet and all these shows had a profound influence on me and my direction played in high school concert bands and the last high school I went to at a Stage Band and I played with them it was my first experience playing any big band jazz at all and then I attended the University of Texas although I used that term attended very lightly and I discovered pot and girls and that was a lethal combination for the academic progress and so I was on Scholastic probation and some guys different guys from another high school band called me up and said hey Jeff we're going to Hollywood to start a band you want to come and it was perfect timing after I had failed out of the University of Texas in the first semester so we went to Los Angeles we found an apartment in Hollywood who that was managed by a guy who did some band management with a group called The Brain train which became the clear light and eventually got a contract with Electra but that's sort of incidental we got a singer and a bass player and a manager and the manager got us a job at gazari's on the Sunset Strip so we played there six nights a week and uh it was just launching us one one time this guy came in he was listening to us he called me over in a break and said you should be playing with better musicians only years later when I was reading his obituary did I discovered that that was Warren zevine and so I took his advice I got with a band that was um the lead singer was Lynn Carey who was the daughter of McDonald Kerry whose famous actor back in the 40s and was the voice of of the Days of Our Lives that was uh she had some management and she got us a job on a Blues Festival at Santa Monica Civic Auditorium with George Smith and his South Side blues band Lowell Folsom and PeeWee Creighton and Albert King and so this the band that I was playing with was called CK strong and we opened up and then Albert King's manager came in to our dressing room and said to me Mr King wants to talk to you so I went in there and he he offered me a job with his band and shortly thereafter I went on the road for eight and a half months with him and that was really my music school that was my learning experience my sociological realization that my historical perspective on the United States the Southern United States We we played a lot of the Psychedelic circuit the Fillmore East Fillmore West Carnegie Hall the Electric Theater in Chicago the Electric Factory in Philadelphia the Grandy Ballroom in Detroit the rock pile in Toronto we planned some festivals the uh we opened up for Jim Morrison and the doors and um in Phoenix the night that he got arrested but we were we were out past that he did that after we went on so uh that was a curious show and then the first time I ever went to New York City was when we opened up for Tim Buckley and the Jeff Beck Group at the Fillmore East and that was October of of 68. so we did two nights there and I was astounded by Jeff Beck's group it's Rod Stewart Nikki Hopkins Ron Wood and Mick Waller a great band the band that was on his first album and I was I was blown away by those guys they were fantastic may he rest in peace as I realize that there are only three of us who are in that show who are still alive as Rod Stewart Ron Wood and myself so um but other than playing in the Psychedelic circuit we toured the south in what's referred to as the chitlin circuit and played Arkansas Mississippi Alabama Tennessee and I got to see what people the conditions that that African-American people had to endure and I was the only Caucasian member of the band at the time so that was a curious experience driving through little towns in Mississippi at two in the morning where I pulled my watch cap over my head and slumped down in the seat they didn't want Sheriff John Brown to stop us and friscus or whatever or shoot us you know possible so it was a very interesting learning experience for me and the Discrimination of people of color being able to play in different venues you must have experienced that we played primarily black venues down south and yeah I was generally the only one there who was um you know I I don't know what would have happened if law enforcement pulled us over but I don't like to think about that but that was a great learning experience for me and that Larry Davis and Son seals and got a chance to play with them Larry Davis is the person who wrote Texas Flood Stevie Ray Vaughan had a big hit from that sun seals of course went to Chicago from Arkansas and became a famous Blues person in Chicago and met David Porter a great songwriter for Stax folk we stayed in the Lorraine Motel which was Infamous of course I stayed in the room adjacent to the room that Martin Luther King was staying in when when he was assassinated and uh yeah it was quite a time and this was all when you were just a teenager I was 20 yeah well just you know that's yeah that's a pretty remarkable history over a seven year period right I was lucky I mean I was fortunate to be born at the time I was and to be able to uh have access to that absolutely what an extraordinary what an extraordinary tale of just a few years in your life as a as a drummer that's your that's your musical gift right yeah I I [ __ ] about that well as I say I I started in on drum set when I was 15 at those Jam sessions across the road from us but um I had started banging on a drum because my brother had one that he lost interest in back in Indianapolis so I played in the elementary school band and Orchestra and then in the uh the first you know what high schools were four years in Indiana and three years in San Antonio so it was easy transition for me but um yeah I I was uh in music programs where the band director sort of ignore the percussion section until they get violent with each other and so you know they're always asking you to hold it down while they're working with the clarinets or you know that sort of thing but I I don't remember receiving much instruction that way until until I got to Texas well they're the rebel rousers wouldn't you say uh yeah yeah I would say that yeah but um they're also they're also they're also what what brings the music together you got it so tell us a little bit about who your greatest inspiration was in your life and in your career um I would say that both Albert King and BB King were great Inspirations um shark Berry also Max Roach who I studied at a workshop at Omega Institute for holistic studies back in uh 88 I believe it was um when I went to a workshop their two-day workshop called the drums that Max Roach taught 32 drummers together in a barn at Omega and that was a life-changing experience and my teachers George Marsh and Pete magadini as well um and Bob Moses is is something else is an alternative sort of influence but I'd say Jack did Jeanette and Alvin Jones Tony Williams these fantastic musicians who played drums for um for jazz groups and had their own groups as well and I mean that's musically those were my influences for sure so what about your family what about your parents when you when you decided you were going to go be I mean look parents during the 60s weren't real pleased with where we all were going and there was a lot of conflict because we were rebelling against their lifestyle and their their culture basically and we changed the world um in so many ways in social justice and all the different things that we did in that Revolution that we had and certainly the music scene was very important in that and that's a question that I am going to want to ask you about about the music scene today and what's going on in our world and how how uh how it is impacting the way that people think because our generation created music that helped people to think about was what was going on whether it was Jesse Colin Young or Bob Dylan or whomever so tell me a little bit about your family and your parents and what they how they reacted when you wanted to be this great musician and you wanted to take your your brilliant chance off on the road those are some superlative terms however my parents were very supportive of what I wanted to do my father was a Public Health veterinarian and my mother was uh I hate to call her a housewife she was she was really much more than that and she went to work after after kids had grown of course and worked for various governmental agencies and went back to college and got degrees Etc but they were very supportive of of my efforts on our first band we would have rehearsals at our house and the other parents would come over and they would hang out while we practiced and and they no they were they were extremely supportive and they always loved music and they uh just figured you know the way that I was going was I mean they had some worries when I was out in Hollywood they didn't hear from me Etc and of course the uh The Selective Service had a lot to do with my uh status in their minds you know my my father had been a bomber pilot of B-24 pilot in World War II had been shot down over the North Sea and and was rescued by British Navy and um you know so it was very formative experience in his life and they were conservative people politically but they loved music and and they wanted me to do what I wanted to do which perhaps was rare back then but I I mean they did urge me to break up with my girlfriend at the time who became my first wife but um and come back to come back to Texas and go back to school and I said uh no sorry it's not working for me and they were so they were they were concerned but they were also very supportive so I mean you were you were making music during the during the 60s uh during the 60s period the 60s Revolution so I'm going to ask you that question um you know we our generation was transformational only 17 of Our Generation was part of the hippie movement so how do you feel about music today and helping to change the world and how did you see it when you were making music back then did you realize that the music you were making was changing the way that people thought about our world and maybe about a war that was not that was not a just War talk about that a little bit well when I when I realized um you got to hear Bob Dylan's music and got to hear Staple Singers and and various people who were making political statements through their music uh it was something I definitely thought about um I was not in a position to really do much politically although I was um confronted or confronted myself the uh The Selective Service System with but that's a whole other story that we don't need to put out well no I mean that but that's an important Story I mean because all a lot of men your age were were um you know we're facing that of how of having to be drafted so and a lot of our friends went into the war and a lot of them didn't come back so let's move into moving to Vermont because a lot of people of Our Generation came to Vermont for a lot of reasons to settle down to be able to buy some land to Homestead and also to be close to the Canadian border talk a little bit about what brought you to Vermont well after playing with Albert I moved to um San Francisco area to San Rafael to play with a band called Cold Blood which was like a white Soul band Lydia Pence and four-piece horn section organ guitar bass drums um and I did a couple of tours with them but then um I was goofing around I suppose my my first wife got very interested in a place which you may have heard of called synonym Foundation and she loved to go in there and play the synonym game which was attack therapy in groups it was a very curious concept um so one day she came home and I was in between bands and she said well I'm moving into synagogue and you can come if you want or I'm not or you can stay and I just we had only been married uh geez less than a year and she was um intent on moving into this place and so she was a legal secretary at the time so she could move in and become be called what was termed lifestyler which um as a musician I was automatically assumed to be a heroin addict and so I was I was brought in as a dope fiend as they referred to us but I was just a pot smoking hippie I wasn't any IV drug user but so we spent a year and a half in there and I would say that the best thing that came out of that for me was learning how to verbally defend myself and also having the opportunity to play with some of the great jazz players who were in there for their addictions art pepper and Frank rehat being among them I played with a 40 voice gospel choir that was conducted by Matt beard who you may remember as stymie from The Little Rascals and we uh we stayed there for a year and a half until we were sick of hearing you're such an [ __ ] and as soon as you walk out of here you're going to be falling down a manhole cover and you're you're never going to make it in blah blah so her her sister and her brother-in-law came out to California they had been living in Plattsburgh well around Plattsburgh actually at a place called Highland community which was rather Infamous now in Paradox New York so we moved from um Los Angeles to um Plattsburgh New York which was culture shock they're the only thing there was the Air Force Base I was going oh my God why are we here I was there for about two weeks took a ferry over to Vermont and saw Burlington and just said yes this this is where we should be we should have how are you how old were you oh let's see it was January of 72 so I was 23 okay and so we moved to Burlington in January of 72. and we've uh we had a child in 1974 her dad got sick in 75 we moved back to LA for a little while I had temporarily um jettison the music business just because of some negative experiences that I had and also because of the the synonym Foundation experience and so I was studying uh animal science at UVM and I was milking cows for UVM and then we went out to California we came back and had milked cows at Shelburne Farms um and worked in agriculture and then I was downtown Burlington one night and I heard this group the large Duggan quartet which was Lord Duggan and Jack Von Baron and Howie Mitchell and Paul asbell and I thought wow there's there's actually some good music around here then I I was taken down to a club on Lower St Paul Street I think it was the Bluetooth so I'm not sure I heard Kip Baker in a band called Anvil and I thought well yeah there's some hope around here and so anyway my first wife and I were eventually not getting along that well and I just I was starting to play out a little bit um and my exit now said to me well Jeff if you're going back in the music business you're going alone so I went alone we got divorced because you you because you met you know you're beautiful your beautiful wife right yes at some point down the line that was true that was that was like 85 though so there were a few years in between um 77 and 85 but uh and she's and she was a veterinarian which sort of follows up with what your father was you know kind of your father's career it's it's right and and so it's been a long and enduring uh beautiful marriage and Michelle Tullis is one of my favorite people and she's done so much in the in the world of animals let's move on to today because we're coming down to the end of this half hour Jeff talk to me a little about about music today and what are you doing today what what is your uh passion and what are you doing and where can people hear you uh are you still playing talk to us about that well one thing I wanted to mention was um my teaching at UVM and and also at Johnson State prior to and simultaneously with that for a number of years I had a wonderful group of students who are now a lot of them playing professionally in the area um Dan Ryan and Caleb Braun Steve hadika and Todd Jeffrey Sean priests and all sorts of folks I I'm sorry if I don't mention everyone's name but I think that my primary influence has been um teaching I would never say that I'm responsible for anyone's talent but I've sort of given them nudges along the way and I'm very proud of of the number of students that I've had who have become professional musicians now I play with an old buddy of yours Dennis Wilmot every Saturday at Red Square I play with Bob standard whenever he has jobs which are usually festive occasions I have a couple of different versions of my band with um several different musicians Bob Butterfield Steve Hirsch Ben Webber Tom Buckley Paul asbell Terry Yao Clyde stats Chuck Eller um I play with Tom Caswell blues band now Tom was a young guitar player from Britain and uh so we've been playing around and playing at Jericho Cafe and Tavern we plant Twigs up in Saint Albans we played car dealerships around the area we play special occasions and we were about to do some more recording of stuff so I practiced I try to maintain my skills and I I'm not really teaching I I would teach here and there but I love the Burlington area and as far as the music business and how things are streaming and how people are getting paid I still make about the same money I made when I was 18 to 20 years old so if it hadn't been for teaching I would have had to seek an alternative perhaps milking in cows but you know that's a really lucrative profession so it it's a difficult time for for young people now you used to be able to start a band you used to be able to rent an apartment for 150 bucks you used to be able to feed yourself for sixty dollars a week you know these days if the pay hasn't changed but the conditions certainly have and everything's expanded to about 10 times the cost that it was when we were young and I really feel bad for people how can you start a band how can you keep it together um unless you're really Savvy technologically all that stuff is passing me by and I don't try to keep up with it but kids have to promote themselves online and have to have a steady appearance and you know with our society's fixation on Celebrity um it's tough because if there's a certain person in the group they can be extracted and put into a different situation some producer gets a hold of them and gets rid of the rest of their band that's an old story and I'm not mentioning any names around here but you know what happens and the the misogyny that goes on in the music business is tremendous and ongoing um and yeah I I feel really bad for people who are what age I was when I just lucked out and was able to go on the road and was able to play with these various people but that stuff I don't I know that that can really happen with the situation these days what are you doing are you you must be doing mentoring uh for for you for some of these young people um to help them too well I I love seeing them that one time the jazz festival I was walking down the Church Street with Michelle and and I heard about six different bands up and down Church Street and I said every one of the drummers was a former student of mine so I I feel very enriched so so we've come to the end of our show but I want to talk to you for a second about how people can find you and how can people know where you're playing and how um do you have do you have a website that you can share with my viewers I don't really have a website I'm I'm on Facebook and I yeah well I don't know but just just to follow you people can you know you can follow a left eye jump which is this is banned right of course were you were you at Bob standards last like because I was there I should know whether you were there or not I was in Arizona at the time in the the show at uh the Jen's opera house I played there with Bob in previous years but no I I wasn't at that one it was we missed you but and you would have certainly added to it but it was an extraordinary event and Bob four and a half hours long I know and I was like well this is the end you know I'm walking but that that will never happen um so listen Jeff Salisbury what a talent uh I think you should write a history book on or write your Memoir and uh with all your incredible stories because young people have to hear hear your stories they're beautiful they're profound uh they're hopeful and I think they're inspirational for our young people so for the time that you have given me here today in my view viewers I honor you I'm going to show up at red square and hang out and become your groupie and um thanks so much for what you've done for the music scene and for Vermont well thank you and it's been reciprocal Vermont has been very good for me and thank you Melinda it has been you're a beautiful man and to my viewers I want to thank you for joining us today and I will see you soon bye-bye 00:00:25.609 --> 00:00:28.550 align:start position:0% 00:00:28.550 --> 00:00:30.950 align:start position:0% 00:00:30.950 --> 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