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Good afternoon and my name
is in Swan Haywood T.V.

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The public access corporation of the
district of respected in communication

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regulatory practices community media folks
Jasmine white and her eyes for Community

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Media Mike Watson our Gretchen
classing at Philly cam and we have

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a whole team of Philly cam to be

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a part of this conversation and support
free to join us you know at this moment's

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notice open it up for introductions
and discussions today the Federal

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Communications Commission voted on

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a policy shift that erodes local control
of public property and impinges on

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publicly accessible communication resources
order number 05311 his example of as he

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sees political majorities will to override
the 1904 Cable Act and regulatory

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authority local franchises that
sustain operations like D.C. T.V.

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Philly cam and Community Media Montgomery
County and many mother more operations

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that are watching today and going to be
retransmitting this program constant

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communication services that we wants that
were once provided as in contributions

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will no longer be given will now be given

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a monetary value which can in turn debt
be deducted from the front 5 percent

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franchise fees that municipal governments
receive from cable operators I know it's

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a mouthful but it's very devastating folks
and it's something that we need to pray

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pay attention to local franchises are
able to collect these fees since cable

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operators use public rights
of way to make property so is

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a big issue of preemption that we're going
to be discussing here today and all the

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commissions action on this order is not
is devastating is in terms of the blow

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directly to pay as we thought but it is
still detrimental and it's still something

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that is we need to be concerned about $1.00
thing that I've learned while serving

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as

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a public policy enter in the summer is the
importance of Pan attention to regulatory

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norms and how precedents are set how they
perpetuated by discord of the power elite

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is very important so in
this case is the F.C.C.

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And industry is pushing for this discourse
so there are other issues that we do

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need to pay attention to such as I don't.
That was it was on the agenda today but

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it is moved to I think so to timber Yeah
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a little bit and you know really what
the vision here is to better ally our

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networks and to leverage power against
what has happened at the F.C.C.

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Today I and instead of
brooding and kicking

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a rock down the road we've come together
today to push for more because our

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communities deserve more i'm so the goal
of this dialogue is simple begin to build

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an understanding of our
shared values establish

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a foundation upon which we can
do more public interest work as

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a coalition and with that I would like to
pass the rock to you. Best of all starts

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to use that terminology. To our moderator
Chris Lewis who is the head of public

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knowledge and thank you for all for taking
us in guiding this conversation today no

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thank you wrestling for inviting me and
all of us to come to speak in this

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conversation just to be clear
correct the record here is

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a real battle and washing I was not

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a star it's just I was an elevator you know
and I didn't like it but I do love the

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game I'm long tired we have

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a great panel here. And what I'd like to
do to kick things off to make sure that

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everyone watching knows who we have on
our panel so that we can really open

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dialogue. And talk about some of
these issues. Because there's

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a lot that we could rustle up and talk
about today given the news. But also just

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the breath of things that we're all
trying to do to promote local media. So.

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Thank you all for joining us and we hope.
That you know we hope if you're watching

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your gazing at her there's a half Pesek
save you need media so if there's

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a conversation going on online that's where
you can find it. All the way here on

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the end of our panel will just go across
and give you have ones name and title but

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folks will will be talking about what they
do in their organization 1st. On the end

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here we have Angela Jenna tear from the
National League of Cities next to her We

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have heart Clement from the office of
United States Senator Murray next to

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her we have Michael Richards
representing the LP F.M.

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Coalition of course you know our hosts here
entwine and myself next to me my friend

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lifted Patrick from the organization called
Free Press next to him our friend Kevin

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Erickson from the Future of Music Coalition
and bring in on the end here. Last but

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not least. We have Aaron shields from
Media Justice So thank you all for

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participating you all contribute tremendous
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this this policy debate so. Why
don't we start with going around

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the panel here and what it what do it
for folks to just talk a bit give us

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a brief synopsis of your position and the
values that you think motivate your work

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. And and to sort of wrap into that you
know who are the who's the audience that

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you serve who are your constituents how
do you view your audience so maybe Angela

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you can strike

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a force you know Angelina can carry and
I work for the National Youth great

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organization her next big. Cities towns
villages all sides of the country

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and everybody New York City
down on his hometown has

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a single digit. And most of those communities
are small. Really different 50000

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that you're you know have

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a population of less money. And those are
communities that are really impacted by

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it what are. Some of the things that we
prioritize as an organization our broadband

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access access to infrastructure equitable
acting infrastructure but in particular

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fighting back against the rising wave of
preamps. Not just on this issue but across

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a wide spectrum of issues everything at the
state and federal level and. Part I yet

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heart comments with Senator Patty Murray
and our constituents are literally the

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constituents of Western companies the
better Washington. Are for my boss

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was kind of speaking about these issues
here she's really focused on the users so

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how are these policies and. How are these
changes affecting Washington families and

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children. And so on that front hoping
that you know she's put towards

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legislative solutions to try to put more
money back into programs. And that has

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been confirmed focus. Going forward.
Michael Richards I'm the lawyer for

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the LP fm coalition which has no charter
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And some change LP F.M.

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Stations plus a couple of advocacy groups
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That stands for low power F.M.

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They are under $100.00 watts each and
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5 miles sometimes

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a little further with interference
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A lot of them are volunteers some are
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congregations some are attached to schools
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all do is they bring the
local back into local radio

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and they were unable to buy the local
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them to expand in areas of the country
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spectrum under old rule. And they
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A competition for spectrum
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Regulation that are going to make it
harder for them to stop interference so

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that they're getting hemmed in and that
of course isn't good necessarily for

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communities because they are the hyper
local voice of many communities in

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a radio environment where
programming is increasingly

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nationwide which has its advantages for
certain things but obviously it leaves the

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community. And one he would and
standing in for Mike Watson are

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who is the leader of the Alliance for
community media and so I am representing of

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thank operations and like the one that
we're in to today the alliance with the

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media is the lobbying organization so it's

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a trade association other represents
the interests of public education and

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government access operations many there
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countries also have L.P.'s and license
Philly cam as one Arlington County

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Independent Media is another just to give

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a few examples. It's the values that
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in common are as is education so literacy
you know making them literacy only comes

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the digital literacy ready
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a shared value also you know localism is

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a very very big important ones you're
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why many many access stations T.V.

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Access stations that also have radio because
they share this value of localism and

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so so telling narratives giving agency
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important by you and then the 3rd one that
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connections it's like the
community the values of like

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a communal miss you know and communal
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thing that I think this is underscored.
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lift up is that these are very important
places for people to gather to make

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connections and there are very important
social and cultural connections. So for us

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in public knowledge you know we start with
the mission of promoting free expression

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and for glasses cations technology
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a lot of media from you know long time
media like supporting low power F.M.

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Radio. Promoting values localism
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who can gain access to local content
we also you know expand that into the

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broadband digital age so we do

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a lot of work around promoting competition.
So that there are options for consumers

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is choices for consumers to lower the
barriers to get their content and

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their creative works out there and that
brings us into all sorts of copyright

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policy but also issues of promoting
platforms that support video online

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so that small independent
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a chance to to distribute their work.
The glitz Patrick I'm with free press

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and where your national national facing
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mentioning we do

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a lot of media reform and media democracy
work and that touch of the one of our

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biggest issues is not neutrality but we
also do have the arse I have our work with

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news voices which is essentially connecting
activists and newsrooms and getting

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that actually have these conversations and
sort of grapple with issues for instance

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like racial bias in the news rooms
in North Carolina so wealthy have

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a pride an offshoot of that is in New
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where we were able to redirect. Broadcast.
Action proceeds that word for public

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broadcasting stations and have some of
that money actually be redirected and fund

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local journalism so we're also
standing up some work we have

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a platform for 2020 it's right
to connect 2020 dot com.

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An essential I think where we're examining
scaling that up nationally so one of

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things that we do is we
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Keeping all the regulatory shenanigans
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a lot of our work is national facing I would
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is much more local policing but
happy to talk more about. That.

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So if each of these a coalition has been
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a grassroots nonprofit based in D.C.

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Representing musicians and songwriters and
composers and making sure that they have

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a voice in the policy and Pat issues that
impact their lives and their livelihoods

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so that covers

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a lot of ground but the connections to
the community media I think are really

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important because local music communities
rely on healthy local media ecosystems

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especially in an environment where we see
so much consolidation and centralization

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and in media and we lose what's been
lost in that is the localism the

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diversity the platforms her diversity
of expression so so musicians of all

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John rose and all career paths have
opportunities both to express themselves and to

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earn

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a living but to elevate the issues of them
poured into their local communities and

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. Tell tell the stories and sing the songs
of the communities that they come from

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and share them with the world
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You know. We've worked hard as part of the
broad coalition in support of low power

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F.M. And expanded opportunities
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Right now we're especially concerned about.
The latest quadrennial review the local

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which includes provisions that would.
Dramatically change the local ownership rules

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and allow precedented consolidation of
power in radio so fewer and fewer are

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cuter and hooter companies own
more of the of broadcast style we

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want to see what we want to see diversity
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want to see true. Localism. High again my

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name's Aaron Shields and I work for Media
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Media Justice. Media Justice is

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a national organizing an advocacy have
that fight for the digital rights of poor

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people and people of color across the
country. We also are the host of

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a national network that has little over 100
community groups that focus on anything

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from community T.V.

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And radio to think tanks to organizations
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I'm really excited to be able to
participate in this conversation today

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a lot of people may not know that. The
media justice the roots of media justice

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come out of. The US media
council in Oakland so our

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founder and outgoing executive director
Mark Hughes Carol was working in organizing

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with young youth black and brown youth
in the Bay Area to fight back against

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harmful stereotypes that were being portrayed
on local news there they found that

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the alleged crimes of black and brown youth
were being over shared over indexed on

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local radio or not radio but. Local
well possibly radio as well but local

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television stations and so they did

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a lot of cultural and actual organizing to
push back against those stereotypes that

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are being pushed out that already pushed
out by you know corporate media and so

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conversations like this are incredibly
important to media just this I think

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obviously since then we've expanded into
focusing more on the digital realm as well

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so. We like to say you
know much like how T.V.

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And radio was

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a huge driver for the civil rights movement
and getting the message out we see the

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Internet as that for this current iteration
of the freedom struggle and so it's

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really important to us like when I think
the question was like Who are our people

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that's how I think of it like Who
are we representing we work with

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a lot of activists organizers people who
are living on low incomes who are fighting

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to have

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a voice I hate the phrase like you know
voiceless people are you know truth presuming

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that people don't have

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a voice it's really you know who you hand
the microphone to who has the opportunity

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to share their message and to
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corporate or other sort of in

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a tease that have different interests and
it's particularly important to me because

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I just moved to Baltimore but
prior to that I lived in D.C.

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For 10 years and was organizing locally
here and oftentimes when we were doing

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actions or canvassing or trying to
share our message it was the the local

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press that was covering it wasn't you know
sort of the larger. Press or maybe it

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was always you know the neighborhood based
media the folks who were you know had

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a small operation and radio stations
that were doing pod casts the smaller

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newspapers or now it's more so online and
so it's incredibly important to us to be

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you know having this
conversation with folks that's

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a great point Erin and I love the way you
phrase it is and. Voiceless folks in our

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various news cross country but it is
important that. Regulatory policy and other

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laws are not eroding right their ability.
To be empowered and to to make their

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voices heard and so that's why we have
this discussion today I'd love it if folks

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would jump in and you know just talk
about some of the key issues that you're

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working on. And how you see
the threat of erosion and

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to local voices in the power that we you
know and when you talked about when we

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kicked off the decision at the F.C.C.

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Today that's one but but there may be
others in the suite of working issues that

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you guys are working. And you want to
get. Some credit I'm right in there with

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a big one for us and I'm sure I mean this
is like one of the bigger issues and

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folks watching have probably heard about
it but. The roll back of that neutrality

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rules and so like I said earlier
my a specific focus so I'm

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a national field organizer but I work
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repeal of net neutrality order was

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a huge blow to us because we see I mean
without the you know free expression online

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and manipulated by I asked P.C.'s and other
entities we don't have the black lives

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not

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a movement where we're citizen journalists
are able to go into their own communities

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and stream what is. Binning we don't have
we don't know what's happening at da

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P.-L.

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We don't know we may be not we might not
have seen the explosion of the need to

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movement or seeing what has been happening
at the border and so it's incredibly

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important for us to be pushing back
on those attempts to shift power

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from community to a corporations
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a really big one for us in terms of
regulatory like I'm relatively new votes in

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about almost 2 years now working in the
space and I wasn't aware of the immense

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power that the F.C.C.

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Had over these issues and so I think that
that's something. That everyday people

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can sort of relate to like this entity
that's like semi-independent it has all of

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this power over these particular things and
so I definitely wherever I go I to lift

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up the. Rollbacks so that essential right
which we call our digital civil rights of

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nitrile to. Build on that this is kind of
the cool reason my organization exists is

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fighting back against the state and federal
reach and I think you phrased it really

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well that it's sort of

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a ground power only for you who's receiving
this not just on this issue we're

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seeing his account every issue. Of the
litigation over her rights and my manager

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and small cell facilities deployment which
sounds really want they're not in that

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Lee comes down to the the F.C.C.

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You can do in the public property over to
these private companies in exchange for

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nothing in exchange for new promises in
exchange for no money and we're seeing this

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across so many issues at the same federal
level we believe been doing research on

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state laws and receiving more and more
states saying OK well we think that local

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governments are destroying into the ocean
and stopping economic growth and so we're

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deciding not to regulate things like right
or minimum. Wage or delivery service is

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one or any of these other quality of life
or public property issues and we're not

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going to let you regulate them. And I
think the problem with this issue in

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particular is that because the F.C.C.

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Is this any independent Egypt they have
the ability to move much faster and with

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much more single mindedness than almost
any other agency and certainly more than

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Congress so they have been able to do

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a lot of damage in this administration
with very little pushback and you know

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German High has said as much as he doesn't
care and I think that the majority of

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comments in the dock where people
opposing views were that it's not

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a democracy but he doesn't think that
these arguments have merit and that's

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something that we have to push back
against him but our view which we've seen

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a pattern here whether it's today's
cable franchise decision. The facility

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citing issues that you're talking about
in Julian. And even in the net neutrality

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case that they're brought up in all
3 of those we've seen the F.C.C.

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Decided to try to preempt decisions made
at the local level by officials who are

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closer to the ground. Everyday people and
trying to make decisions based on what's

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best for their community. And I know the
net neutrality case you know that's being

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challenged by States introducing state
legislation saying you know it's there so

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you gave away their authority over them
how do you have the right to then preempt

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local communities from doing something about
wells and we won't read it yet so it's

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just

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a we're just sure but they're doing it on
all 3 of those issues front of other folks

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are seeing that you know

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a lot of these issues have long histories
and and like when I think about radio

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consolidation I go back to the 1986
Telecommunications Act which paved the way for

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large broadcast companies to acquire more
and more stations and essentially fire

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all the local. Deejays replace them with
robots and then play very similar play

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lists in every city across
the country this isn't

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a new problem we've experienced it for

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a while we you know people barely remember
the days where you could go to your

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local commercial radio station with your
new recording and ask if they want to play

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it on the air now the music director may
not even be in town but there's something

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new happening right now with
this at c c there's that there's

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a unique moment happening where it seems
like across the board across industries

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there's

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a willingness to entertain. The
biggest industry players most wild

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ideas of like of what of everything that
would be on their wishlist now when we're

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talking about radio consolidation we're
talking about this radical proposal from

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the National Association of
Broadcasters that would allow

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a single company to potentially own every
radio station in all but the top 7075

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markets. That's unprecedented you
know even within issue with this long

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history of Can things really get this
bad how much worse can it get. This was

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shocking to me. In that same light
what that leads to I as the

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communications turned and
finding is that. The F.C.C.

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Of late. Even. When it has
an idea that it wants to

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pursue and even when there is

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a statute that might hinder that idea
often do it later and it's almost this

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adaptation of the Silicon
Valley ethic. That it's

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a lot easier to ask forgiveness later than
to ask for permission in the 1st place

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and that may be falling for an entrepreneur
or for an innovator when they're

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trying to shake up an establishment
that is perhaps hindering innovation

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but

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a government agency by its very nature and
this gets to the rule of law question.

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Really needs to hew very carefully.
To the authorizations it

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has by statute I mean Congress creates
certain ways of doing things and if Congress

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doesn't change it. The F.C.C.

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Cannot necessarily do an end around
because there is quote unquote

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a consensus I'll give you an example that
I'm working on that's very important for

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low power F.M.

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Is right now and that is how do you in

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a time of unprecedented demand
for spectrum. Cut out full

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little tiny bits of spectrum particularly
in the most crowded places where there's

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very little F.M.

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Live. And how do you make it
how do you. Make it possible

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for localism as well
as other uses and most

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recently the L.P.F.

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And coalition has. Filed for reconsideration
of an order from the F.C.C.

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That essentially takes away the rights of
individual listeners because they live

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in large buildings which basically means
the most crowded places in the country

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where there's not enough spectrum and you
really need that police function just

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taken away and now we are trying to challenge
this rule that makes it impossible

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for anybody but the 1st person who
complains to have their complaint about

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interference from one of these news stations
one of these which are often repeating

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what's on an existing station they're
called translators which is F.C.C.

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Talk for

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a repeater repeater is what we'll call it
and. You only get one shot so you have

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a huge building I mean talk about there's
the Donald Trump building on the side not

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the one he lives on that the one of
or by the United Nations it's like

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a quarter mile from the from the ground
floor somebody us like the 2nd floor

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apartment in the front so the person in
the penthouse in the back so that affects

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rich people OK Understood
but the same thing in

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a public housing project we talk about for
instance disenfranchising Let's say you

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have a low power F.M.

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That's focused on a linguistic minority or

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a cultural minority. And there's

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a large number of their
listeners that may live in say

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a 3 building public housing project
Well guess what the F.C.C.

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Imposes

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a threshold of 6. Complaints before
they'll even entertain an interference

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problem there they get except that there's
an interference problem possibly worth

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investigating and then if they
happen to be. 2 tenths of

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a mile away from each other which for anybody
who knows about broadcast engineering

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that's

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a big difference they say no it's the same
address OK they treat it as if it were

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like

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a 2 family house where you know you have
the up stairs and down stairs you might

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have an argument that maybe each of those
That's one interference problem but you

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know this even applies people at work
imagine how big the Pentagon is it's $28.00

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acres so somebody at one end of the
Pentagon is $27.00 acres from somebody

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or end of the Pentagon and only the 1st
person who works in the Pentagon and

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complains about not being able to hear

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a radio station will have their
complaint heard this is really

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a problem you could almost call
it disenfranchisement and it fits

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a pattern of attempts. That
are increasing in general

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in our polity to disenfranchise
certain interests at the

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expense of others it's no longer this
marketplace of ideas fighting it out there is

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this sort of sense of disenfranchisement
and to the people in the LP fm community

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you know that could break the
station and need big barely

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a lot of the stations don't have much
money and if. You can't reach the people

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that your voice reach would normally reach
because of this interference and you

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can't complain about it what do you do and
what are some of the good examples of

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you know when we have these interference
issues or where. When smaller local media

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gets we go or. What do we lose well are
there examples that you guys can do of

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programming or voices that you think people
voted them well of if you want it from

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the O.P.'s family perspective
right here or in the metro D.C.

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So if you're on the north side
of town basically anywhere from

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a few blocks north of the White House up
to anybody who knows the geography the

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Capital Beltway in the North Station in
Tacoma Park that actually was praised by

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The Washington Post as the best radio station
in town. Came out tops in the in one

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of the alternative weeklies reader polls
for radio stations suddenly. This

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repeater station this translator
pops on the air. And have and is

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interfering with it was
ordered by the F.C.C.

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To scale back but suddenly pops on
again and right now because there's

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a transition in the rules on this and so
forth this particular station is causing

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interference perhaps

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a mile away from the station
in Tacoma Park when LP F.M.

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Is expected to reach 2 to 5 miles and
you have situations like this that of

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the one in around D.C.

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There are

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a lot of people who like this kind of
station and they have an easier time than

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some in some in other kinds of situations
in raising funds and you know they can

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fight these. But if you're talking about
really volunteer driven community efforts

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often the voice of communities that
don't get much air time and traditional

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broadcast media and yeah then obviously
the web it's possible for the live stream

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to use Facebook but. You know there's

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a generational issue too and that. If you're
talking about my 20 something year old

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son. He gets almost everything he gets
off of his smartphone and listens to the

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radio maybe in the car when
he doesn't want to listen to

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a podcast but if you're the older you get
the more disenfranchised people become

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and the more the traditional
mechanisms. Serve

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them and if they're not being served with
what's local to them and what matters in

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their community this whole busy idea
of localism. You people get hurt and

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people get disenfranchised
It's just whether it's with

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a rule that says well we already
got a complaint from you know from

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a quarter mile away from your high rise
building the other end of your high rise

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building so we don't care what you have
to say or just we don't care if you get

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programming that's meaningful to
you because it's more effective.

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Or efficient to deliver only the same thing
over and over someone does mention the

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words 6 squeeze some of it's misery I'm
thinking of like pressure pushing and force

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. And this is you know disenfranchising
me you're saying one of the issues that.

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The news there's several issues that people
to pick community is concerned about

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but when somebody says squeeze I have to
have to think about the channels on and on

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this is something which the channel slamming
is basically when the cable operator

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decides they want to just
relocate. A So you can have

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a channel operation that is that has been
on channel $24.00 for like 20 years or

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whatever and then they just come in and
they decide well we're going to put you at

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99 which is what happened when 8082 universe
got rolled out and their logic was oh

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well anywhere you go you turn into 99 and
you'll be able to see you know the local

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information and then that didn't pan out
but it did it's free in. Doing this this

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is the legacy of people who know that where
they they want to go in tune into that

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local information they've been watching it
for for many years there are so many you

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00:41:50,34 --> 00:41:55,81
know people who I think are discounted
because they're the with this that the

433
00:41:55,82 --> 00:41:59,15
discourse the rhetoric now is like oh
everybody is transitioning to digital

434
00:41:59,16 --> 00:42:03,17
platforms and they're getting you know
they're getting their content on demand but

435
00:42:03,18 --> 00:42:03,74
there's still

436
00:42:03,75 --> 00:42:07,44
a large majority of people out there
who are getting their information in

437
00:42:07,45 --> 00:42:12,69
particular local information via television
watching cable you know you have seen

438
00:42:12,70 --> 00:42:17,39
you saw my home state of Florida met
seniors you know save it for Mom you know

439
00:42:17,40 --> 00:42:20,92
they're watching and they've been watching
those channels to like Will my mama talk

440
00:42:20,93 --> 00:42:24,82
about us she took watches the city channel
that's how you watch the proceedings I

441
00:42:24,83 --> 00:42:30,43
counsel and instead government transparency
is the issue and so when you put

442
00:42:30,49 --> 00:42:33,97
a channel always up into the nether regions
then it's like it's harder for that

443
00:42:34,33 --> 00:42:38,56
them to find and to get that information
sometimes it gets buried down into like

444
00:42:38,57 --> 00:42:43,58
menus you know and you have to find it so
it's just yeah it's corporations wielding

445
00:42:43,59 --> 00:42:50,59
this is power and the other issue
is. You know we do it so we had

446
00:42:50,60 --> 00:42:55,58
channel slamming we have we also have to
talk about like not being on the program

447
00:42:55,59 --> 00:43:02,54
guide so the electronic program guide
many municipalities they you know

448
00:43:02,55 --> 00:43:05,80
they go sheet where the the cable
channel they're supposed to get

449
00:43:05,81 --> 00:43:10,74
a listing on the guy but now the issues
that oh well it's change is no longer

450
00:43:10,94 --> 00:43:16,11
a little electronic programming guy it's
an interactive program guide so different

451
00:43:16,12 --> 00:43:20,83
technology and we heard that before it's
not cable it's broadband it's going to the

452
00:43:20,84 --> 00:43:24,63
ground for rights for you but we care
regulating like there are we heard it all day

453
00:43:24,64 --> 00:43:29,79
today right but it's like all of us the
whole of broadband pics of us yeah oh yeah

454
00:43:29,80 --> 00:43:32,45
you think No they've looked at it
just forget about it and all of

455
00:43:32,46 --> 00:43:35,84
a sudden I was roaming the halls up who
said oh well you know you can't do that you

456
00:43:35,85 --> 00:43:39,20
can't do that look at your own Lawless you
know in terms of how you're regulating

457
00:43:39,21 --> 00:43:43,84
things of the looked. But yet though it
would be getting on to the programming

458
00:43:43,85 --> 00:43:46,00
guide having access to H.D.

459
00:43:46,01 --> 00:43:50,84
Channels that's another 3rd issue that I
want to raise here in that like there are

460
00:43:50,85 --> 00:43:55,65
many in the research that I've been doing
there are like local operations that are

461
00:43:55,66 --> 00:43:59,08
just simply told flat out like not just
forget about you can't you're not getting

462
00:43:59,09 --> 00:44:01,92
on the guy can't do the and
you can't you know getting

463
00:44:01,93 --> 00:44:08,73
a chance and you have the majority of
the operations like 4000 people energy

464
00:44:09,09 --> 00:44:12,82
operations throughout this
country that are they have H.D.

465
00:44:12,83 --> 00:44:15,65
Equipment just that what we see
right here they've got the H.D.

466
00:44:15,66 --> 00:44:20,13
Playback that they're like they're
up to par right and but do you have

467
00:44:20,14 --> 00:44:23,78
a lot of places where they're having to
not heard this used for in the pagan

468
00:44:23,79 --> 00:44:28,03
history the term of the being dumbed down
would be squeezed down in terms of your

469
00:44:28,04 --> 00:44:31,04
the quality of what you're
putting out is all H.D.

470
00:44:31,08 --> 00:44:33,85
Is top notch but then oh
you only got the S.D.

471
00:44:34,32 --> 00:44:37,04
Jam Do you know I mean
you know you've been

472
00:44:37,21 --> 00:44:41,40
a just thinking of the fact that you and
your team of free press have been working

473
00:44:41,41 --> 00:44:48,29
on the New Jersey. Because you're fighting
for local media to survive I mean other

474
00:44:48,30 --> 00:44:54,10
examples that you think of what would be
lost. If you were not successful in trying

475
00:44:54,11 --> 00:44:58,72
to you know preserve an investment or
create them just watch I'll probably switch

476
00:44:58,73 --> 00:45:03,90
and maybe OK We talk so we cover so many
issues that one of the issues that I've

477
00:45:03,91 --> 00:45:10,01
been working on is. Trying to find
hold people accountable for the crisis

478
00:45:10,41 --> 00:45:16,21
communications crisis and Puerto Rico
after hurricane Oh yes per month. And you

479
00:45:16,22 --> 00:45:21,43
know I think when we started the work we
were very new to it so I know that feeling

480
00:45:22,42 --> 00:45:27,17
and we didn't do any public safety sort
of related. Work and the thing that was

481
00:45:27,18 --> 00:45:30,20
striking to me I think that spurred
us into action was the F.C.C.

482
00:45:30,21 --> 00:45:34,64
Sort of refused to hold any real
hearings in Puerto Rico and given that

483
00:45:34,65 --> 00:45:39,68
communications were so disrupted like you
couldn't compete on Landline all the

484
00:45:39,69 --> 00:45:41,57
copper. It was down I mean it was

485
00:45:41,58 --> 00:45:47,95
a complete blackout so what I found
was interesting is you saw these

486
00:45:48,23 --> 00:45:48,59
A.P.

487
00:45:48,60 --> 00:45:52,37
Reporters kind of just doing what the best
they could they're getting on satellite

488
00:45:52,38 --> 00:45:56,44
phones they're like tracking people down
just to tell these stories and just to

489
00:45:56,45 --> 00:46:02,04
a point that Aaron rains are there you
know folks are invoice right like they're

490
00:46:02,86 --> 00:46:07,65
screaming these stories out there we need
help with the help of our theme is not

491
00:46:07,66 --> 00:46:13,70
doing enough and and so that's when we
that's when I for meets saw that connection

492
00:46:14,10 --> 00:46:18,05
and one of the we're probably in the
early stages of this but you know the

493
00:46:18,65 --> 00:46:21,95
a lot of the stations haven't even opened
you know that they saw their temporary

494
00:46:22,30 --> 00:46:28,99
suspension of service. And I think the 1st
thing that we've been working on is sort

495
00:46:29,00 --> 00:46:33,64
of going and doing story circles and just
asking people what was it like to be

496
00:46:33,65 --> 00:46:39,62
without communications and it's been
documented some documented and you know the

497
00:46:39,63 --> 00:46:40,07
F.C.C.

498
00:46:40,08 --> 00:46:45,41
Has not done very much to follow up actually
like engage with people in Puerto Rico

499
00:46:45,65 --> 00:46:51,40
I mean you know these are big broadcasters
are represented by and maybe I mean cell

500
00:46:51,41 --> 00:46:57,11
phone companies and all of these low power
stations I think. Internews was actually

501
00:46:57,12 --> 00:47:01,72
down there and they're like
sitting. Writing stories with

502
00:47:01,73 --> 00:47:08,23
a generator power you know just trying to
to to tell people stories and the most

503
00:47:08,24 --> 00:47:13,24
fascinating thing for me is recently
with all of the people rising up against

504
00:47:13,25 --> 00:47:18,27
corruption in Puerto Rico was actually the
butcher the Spanish of the Center for.

505
00:47:20,12 --> 00:47:24,62
Investigative journalism in Puerto Rico
was actually the the source of that for

506
00:47:24,63 --> 00:47:31,28
a request where they secured the
900 pages of racist vile. Saajan

507
00:47:31,29 --> 00:47:37,76
istic Texaco Angel between the
governor and his cronies so. You know

508
00:47:38,13 --> 00:47:41,97
it's giving an organization
like that a platform and

509
00:47:41,98 --> 00:47:48,64
a voice and. Leads to big social
changes and I think that's you know

510
00:47:48,87 --> 00:47:55,13
as words seeking greater. Raise equity in
our work I think that's something that

511
00:47:56,11 --> 00:48:02,36
is very real to me. And I
love. Using the example as.

512
00:48:04,18 --> 00:48:04,33
It's

513
00:48:04,34 --> 00:48:10,07
a great point but then close me you know I
love you I was on my watch other you know

514
00:48:10,11 --> 00:48:16,27
online video over time.
But. Local. Content.

515
00:48:17,49 --> 00:48:24,29
Emergency Communications. Simply just not
being put out over You Tube or its or

516
00:48:24,33 --> 00:48:28,15
other streaming services right now and
where else are people going to go if they

517
00:48:28,16 --> 00:48:34,39
can't find it but those traditional media
sources of radio. And need told us.

518
00:48:36,03 --> 00:48:40,32
If they can't go there think it while
we find it in people can get hurt in

519
00:48:40,79 --> 00:48:46,01
emergency situations and what's even more
frustrating is you see this commission in

520
00:48:46,05 --> 00:48:51,23
pursuit of its techno libertarian paradise
you know completely disconnected from

521
00:48:51,24 --> 00:48:56,98
reality. You know today 2 of the dissenting
commissioners they raise the public

522
00:48:56,99 --> 00:48:57,73
safety aspect

523
00:48:57,74 --> 00:49:04,66
a lot of these. Stations right are
broadcasting public safety information

524
00:49:04,67 --> 00:49:06,52
that Commissioner F.C.C.

525
00:49:06,53 --> 00:49:09,03
Commissioner Starks did raise
you know he actually shared

526
00:49:09,04 --> 00:49:15,34
a couple stories of where it was very
important for public safety reasons so. The

527
00:49:15,35 --> 00:49:16,90
only thing I heard from the F.C.C.

528
00:49:16,91 --> 00:49:23,12
Was again this ties in to 2 good points in
your question from earlier but it's all

529
00:49:23,13 --> 00:49:27,45
broadband right over the top will save you
know is the replacement and it will fix

530
00:49:27,46 --> 00:49:33,24
everything and it's. You know and that's
the justification for these rules right

531
00:49:33,25 --> 00:49:36,30
like any regulation I've heard
you know that was mentioned is

532
00:49:36,31 --> 00:49:41,40
a tax. Right and any tax would immediately
mean that there's going to be less the

533
00:49:41,68 --> 00:49:47,22
deployment of broadband services and when
my favored one of the things that the

534
00:49:47,72 --> 00:49:48,13
F.C.C.

535
00:49:48,88 --> 00:49:54,80
Commissioner Rosen will raise list but you're
also you're not actually making requirements

536
00:49:54,81 --> 00:49:59,06
that you build out to rural places you're
not meet doing setting the regulatory

537
00:49:59,59 --> 00:50:05,85
framework to actually make that you know
tax turn into real capital and like

538
00:50:05,86 --> 00:50:10,81
infrastructure being built out so. So I got
very frustrated with the rescuers about

539
00:50:10,82 --> 00:50:14,72
that too I was just going to all right well
we was that was going to be overseeing

540
00:50:14,73 --> 00:50:18,31
the house that might like what's that
what does that look like you know yes

541
00:50:18,32 --> 00:50:21,40
everybody celebrating like this this plan
is going to generate all the research but

542
00:50:21,46 --> 00:50:26,01
where they go we're going to check it right
you know visible 3 happened right well

543
00:50:26,02 --> 00:50:32,57
free market work done yet you know what I
mean we do have someone here who works in

544
00:50:32,58 --> 00:50:35,72
the gutters and. The F.C.C.

545
00:50:35,98 --> 00:50:41,65
There is an independent agency but
they are accountable to her work for

546
00:50:41,73 --> 00:50:47,50
compensation like oh your boss or or that
you hear around the Capitol Hill when it

547
00:50:47,51 --> 00:50:54,09
comes to oversight you know. I
mean I think it was not like

548
00:50:54,10 --> 00:50:59,44
that you know it's something that we've
been experiencing and ministration why.

549
00:51:00,46 --> 00:51:07,27
That we're trying to follow.
You know these agencies to

550
00:51:07,31 --> 00:51:11,73
account for the statutes that are already
on the books making rational intent going

551
00:51:11,81 --> 00:51:16,39
through procreation. And
fortunately some of that is in.

552
00:51:19,60 --> 00:51:25,62
For. Just the reality of the Senate
is going to be in the minority as

553
00:51:25,63 --> 00:51:32,49
a Democrat you don't have as
many levers to beautiful. Other

554
00:51:32,50 --> 00:51:39,49
than we will get louder as much as
we can but. Some of these issues

555
00:51:40,08 --> 00:51:46,37
that drive talking about you need to be
find that are experiencing harm now that

556
00:51:46,38 --> 00:51:51,75
are going to continue to experience harm
in years to come is something that my boss

557
00:51:51,76 --> 00:51:58,44
and Murray is getting is trying to
solve specifically and. That's kind of

558
00:51:58,85 --> 00:52:05,49
the nexus here in the media
such as her. Work. So for

559
00:52:05,50 --> 00:52:11,46
her it was looking around. Well we look
at regulatory changes that are shrinking

560
00:52:11,47 --> 00:52:17,62
the amount of resources that are going into
some of these programs and hoping that

561
00:52:17,63 --> 00:52:24,38
the market forces are going to.
Strange priorities and invest in the

562
00:52:24,50 --> 00:52:31,06
programs. You know Santa Maria
was. Decided that we needed

563
00:52:31,07 --> 00:52:32,04
legislation to create

564
00:52:32,05 --> 00:52:38,88
a pot of money to give to states and local
governments and local organizations. To

565
00:52:38,89 --> 00:52:44,71
be able to carry out fraud and adoption to
Viddy. Which in Clue things that digital

566
00:52:44,72 --> 00:52:51,58
literacy making sure that people are
going to have access. To. Get online and

567
00:52:51,59 --> 00:52:55,86
not feel that community meet
for a long time hasn't been

568
00:52:55,95 --> 00:53:02,82
a leader and one being an identified
with and to to be able to. Partner

569
00:53:02,83 --> 00:53:07,36
and build those coalitions that really have
been most successful in matching needs

570
00:53:07,94 --> 00:53:13,58
with solutions and for too long we've let
the black community as you know scrounge

571
00:53:13,90 --> 00:53:18,68
pennies from one of the questions to be
able to let these programs out. There are

572
00:53:18,69 --> 00:53:24,12
agencies are cutting more funding. As
we continue and so you know this is

573
00:53:24,13 --> 00:53:29,62
a values thing at the federal government
and with actual capital while also leaving

574
00:53:29,63 --> 00:53:30,06
it to

575
00:53:30,63 --> 00:53:37,04
a very local control kind of handling these
dollars and I know we don't know what

576
00:53:37,05 --> 00:53:41,78
is the one size fits all policy utilize the
local groups tell us what they need it

577
00:53:41,96 --> 00:53:48,15
private resources best practice charity
to help and so the bill is called the

578
00:53:48,24 --> 00:53:51,07
Digital Video is digital actually acts as

579
00:53:51,08 --> 00:53:57,61
a Latin 67 which was that house introduction
soon but you know it's one of those

580
00:53:57,62 --> 00:54:00,44
things where we were talking
in the policies there's

581
00:54:00,45 --> 00:54:06,75
a lot about the drugs and wrong about
deployment and we've sent tens of billions of

582
00:54:06,76 --> 00:54:13,73
dollars. To Claudia. We all know that
broader mapping issues are still not be

583
00:54:13,77 --> 00:54:20,73
able to get out. But this is for my boss
you know she's she's very firmly believes

584
00:54:20,74 --> 00:54:24,42
it's hard to do this must be much good
to spend all this money on roads and

585
00:54:24,43 --> 00:54:30,24
highways people don't have access to cars
to drive to the city so how do we make

586
00:54:30,25 --> 00:54:33,66
sure that we're doing these
things and not just throwing

587
00:54:33,67 --> 00:54:38,95
a ton of money. Without thinking of some
of the broader implications whether it's

588
00:54:38,96 --> 00:54:44,32
Health Education Workforce
Development or just civil. Aviation.

589
00:54:46,95 --> 00:54:51,59
But we hope folks will look up the bill
and contact them thanks for the know we

590
00:54:51,60 --> 00:54:57,96
support and I'm sure other groups here are
the phone with pleasure and. The folks I

591
00:54:58,09 --> 00:55:05,07
know you guys are leaving. I guess
good we're in one of the next you know

592
00:55:05,74 --> 00:55:10,05
artists who have pointed out some of the
things that they're working on their

593
00:55:10,06 --> 00:55:16,83
office are there other solutions but what
does the group think it will take to load

594
00:55:16,84 --> 00:55:20,75
down oh this is a rosary and oh of

595
00:55:21,45 --> 00:55:28,12
a speech or potion of the
power Oh look. We're.

596
00:55:29,63 --> 00:55:33,57
Organizing I mean yes OK so
you're a busy organizer you get

597
00:55:34,47 --> 00:55:39,40
a little I'm sorry I yeah I think I was

598
00:55:39,41 --> 00:55:41,84
a further Douglas that said
power concedes nothing without

599
00:55:41,85 --> 00:55:45,49
a demand and so one of the
people that taught me

600
00:55:45,50 --> 00:55:50,75
a lot about organizing the name of Charlene
Crothers she was the director of the

601
00:55:50,76 --> 00:55:51,07
Y.P.

602
00:55:51,08 --> 00:55:56,55
$100.00 modify that slightly and said Power
concede nothing without organized demand

603
00:55:57,27 --> 00:56:02,21
and so it's important and not
important meaning strong enough

604
00:56:02,22 --> 00:56:06,22
a word but critical you know for

605
00:56:07,06 --> 00:56:12,63
a for people. To you know one of the
one of the foundational principles of

606
00:56:12,64 --> 00:56:18,15
organizing is to tear drop isolation to
make sure the to to let people know that

607
00:56:18,16 --> 00:56:22,23
they're not alone and what's happening
that they don't just have to you know go

608
00:56:22,24 --> 00:56:26,36
into that quiet you know night without
fighting back and that there are other

609
00:56:26,37 --> 00:56:29,14
people that were both stand shoulder to
shoulder with them to fight for these

610
00:56:29,15 --> 00:56:34,49
critical resources and I think having
conversations like this and bringing

611
00:56:34,50 --> 00:56:37,93
conversations that may seem
relatively Wankhede to

612
00:56:37,94 --> 00:56:44,05
a larger mass and in language that is
accessible in language that is meaningful to

613
00:56:44,06 --> 00:56:50,65
communities can really get people invigorated
about the issue I think intuitively

614
00:56:50,97 --> 00:56:55,23
communities understand how
important local radio local T.V.

615
00:56:55,24 --> 00:57:02,05
Is to telling their stories I heard her
talking about solutions and again another

616
00:57:02,06 --> 00:57:05,98
thing that Charlene always says is that
you know incomplete stories generate

617
00:57:05,99 --> 00:57:10,68
incomplete solutions and so it's incredibly
important when we're thinking about how

618
00:57:10,92 --> 00:57:16,71
local radio and how local television how
citizen journalism journalists are able to

619
00:57:16,72 --> 00:57:21,49
tell stories that are often not heard or
intentionally ignored because the speech

620
00:57:21,50 --> 00:57:28,21
is not popular. Often then insert
in solutions or make solutions

621
00:57:28,22 --> 00:57:33,94
available that are able to help a larger
group of people are able to provide a so

622
00:57:34,05 --> 00:57:40,28
a solution that. Is more comprehensive and
is actually addressing the needs of the

623
00:57:40,29 --> 00:57:45,47
community versus some sort of outside
and more corporate ties I don't know if

624
00:57:45,48 --> 00:57:45,63
that's

625
00:57:45,64 --> 00:57:54,13
a word but more corporate news or media
you know agencies sort of. Sharing

626
00:57:54,14 --> 00:57:57,70
the perspectives that they find interesting
that maybe not interesting or relative

627
00:57:57,95 --> 00:58:04,26
relevant to people that are actually in the
communities and so. I mean I don't know

628
00:58:04,27 --> 00:58:08,83
what to say I'm biased because I am an
organizer but I feel like you know is really

629
00:58:08,83 --> 00:58:14,29
. The foundation of us and it really just
starts with talking to people like you

630
00:58:14,30 --> 00:58:20,39
know if I I say like you know you have
an issue that you care about talk to 3

631
00:58:20,40 --> 00:58:23,29
people you know ask them
what they think about

632
00:58:23,30 --> 00:58:28,23
a particular issue invite people over to
dinner and by people over to lunch you

633
00:58:28,24 --> 00:58:28,88
know go out to

634
00:58:28,89 --> 00:58:32,36
a community center start talking with
people about what's important to them 7 and

635
00:58:32,37 --> 00:58:36,43
you'll start to hear some things you
probably know or some things maybe you don't

636
00:58:36,44 --> 00:58:40,07
know and then from there folks can start
talking about what meaningful solutions

637
00:58:40,08 --> 00:58:43,97
would be for them actually versus a
top down approach which often misses

638
00:58:43,98 --> 00:58:50,69
a lot of critical and important things
you know there are no new justices with

639
00:58:50,78 --> 00:58:54,27
their back that close are you going to call
you back then I don't buy media justice

640
00:58:54,28 --> 00:59:00,85
now and it is this network thing that you
know I. Certainly hope should find out

641
00:59:00,86 --> 00:59:05,08
about how they connect with those chapters
those affiliates who are there oh they

642
00:59:05,09 --> 00:59:09,78
were working guys and we were just talking
about organizing for these other things

643
00:59:09,79 --> 00:59:16,70
we need to know there are other.
Things organized. I mean I don't think

644
00:59:16,71 --> 00:59:23,33
it's an organized effort they are going.
To help and care about this if they need

645
00:59:23,34 --> 00:59:23,63
to do

646
00:59:23,64 --> 00:59:30,37
a better job of making it. Clear I
think. The net neutrality fight is

647
00:59:30,38 --> 00:59:34,19
a really good example actually because
when we last to go to the F.C.C.

648
00:59:34,20 --> 00:59:39,13
We have a month. And it was under
President to see that many people look at

649
00:59:39,14 --> 00:59:40,15
a technical F.E.C.

650
00:59:40,16 --> 00:59:46,58
Issue understand how it applied to their
lives and commented after the record I

651
00:59:46,59 --> 00:59:47,86
feel like the F.E.C.

652
00:59:47,87 --> 00:59:52,60
Is deliberately set up to discourage citizen
in need from us not just going. Out

653
00:59:52,82 --> 00:59:56,39
and to the extent that we can help
people understand how the users want the

654
00:59:56,40 --> 01:00:02,89
sounding issues in their lives I think we
can garner that kind of support and all

655
01:00:02,90 --> 01:00:07,01
of our organizations my organization work
with local leaders and elected officials

656
01:00:07,01 --> 01:00:11,06
. Community Media stations and
leaders here to I think we have

657
01:00:11,29 --> 01:00:16,96
a great platform but we're losing enough
of. You know the headline about this good

658
01:00:16,97 --> 01:00:20,80
if you have to see today with all the how
this is going to expand broadband access

659
01:00:20,81 --> 01:00:24,33
and we all know that that's not true and
that's not what it was about but it's

660
01:00:24,34 --> 01:00:27,14
going to hurt. But I think we need to do

661
01:00:27,15 --> 01:00:32,83
a better job of making that. In and connected
to organizing in messaging to put in

662
01:00:32,84 --> 01:00:36,99
education you know so educating and numb
and I have to say that because my roots my

663
01:00:37,00 --> 01:00:37,51
D.N.A.

664
01:00:37,52 --> 01:00:44,50
Is my parents educators and it is you know
thinking about how when we were doing

665
01:00:44,85 --> 01:00:48,94
you know training in the community that
attach to organizing it was the message

666
01:00:48,95 --> 01:00:53,32
that we're you know how we translate these
issues so that they yes they think we

667
01:00:53,33 --> 01:00:57,45
understand like how it impacts our daily
lives and then the other people can in

668
01:00:57,46 --> 01:01:02,33
turn tell their friends tell the uncle the
aunties and spread the word like listen

669
01:01:02,34 --> 01:01:07,30
you know this is this is how this is
impacting us in the OK you know because we

670
01:01:07,31 --> 01:01:09,66
know that word of mouth
is still used to there's

671
01:01:09,67 --> 01:01:13,42
a lot of value in Word of mouth you know
and so we educate people you know they'll

672
01:01:13,43 --> 01:01:16,47
spread they're going to want to go naturally
toe. The rest of the folks in the

673
01:01:16,48 --> 01:01:21,34
community because they want to put them on
you know. And that's what I really think

674
01:01:21,35 --> 01:01:25,69
that in especially the you know my experience
of working and you know public access

675
01:01:25,70 --> 01:01:30,81
media people want to learn like people come
today you want to connect they want to

676
01:01:30,82 --> 01:01:34,13
hang out they want to be together they
want to break bad but they also want to

677
01:01:34,14 --> 01:01:38,50
learn and I think that's something that
we need to see to do yet to stimulate

678
01:01:38,51 --> 01:01:42,05
excite that more and to say you know this
is about learning of how we talk about

679
01:01:42,06 --> 01:01:46,31
media literacy how these these powers that
play you know this is this is not some

680
01:01:46,32 --> 01:01:47,89
wonky issue this has

681
01:01:47,90 --> 01:01:52,92
a you know it's impacting on life and then
also the flip side of education and just

682
01:01:52,93 --> 01:01:54,45
my time being here in D.C.

683
01:01:54,73 --> 01:02:00,59
Is educating consistently educating
legislators about the issues and I think in

684
01:02:00,60 --> 01:02:04,40
this case to this messaging you know as
well too and it's like one of the messages

685
01:02:04,41 --> 01:02:08,45
that that we had with any votes in if
we need to come in and work with some

686
01:02:08,46 --> 01:02:10,89
academics and with numbers to
come in there that's making

687
01:02:10,90 --> 01:02:14,77
a difference what is that empirical data
that we need to come to the door with that

688
01:02:14,78 --> 01:02:19,38
that really kind of like can connect all
of this you know and drive home and seen

689
01:02:19,39 --> 01:02:22,90
the way that OK we can now use this to
like actually effect some change on

690
01:02:22,91 --> 01:02:28,92
a policy level and that's an interesting
point partly make I'd like to come back to

691
01:02:28,93 --> 01:02:34,04
you on that one of the things that
seems particularly difficult there was

692
01:02:34,05 --> 01:02:37,41
a time. When we didn't have

693
01:02:38,20 --> 01:02:42,66
a political environment that resembled a

694
01:02:43,11 --> 01:02:50,11
a reality show with lots of drama
lots of moments but things are but

695
01:02:50,18 --> 01:02:55,96
but each of those moments tends to be
disassociated from what came before or later

696
01:02:56,54 --> 01:03:03,50
so you have this just constant drama and
fight which seems from point of view

697
01:03:03,51 --> 01:03:05,28
of me trying to represent

698
01:03:05,51 --> 01:03:12,41
a group of local radio people
activists volunteer run stations

699
01:03:13,30 --> 01:03:17,44
making it hard to get the attention of our
lawmakers even if they are the kind of

700
01:03:17,45 --> 01:03:24,32
people who really would care but
they are just constantly having to

701
01:03:24,65 --> 01:03:30,92
deal with the drama of the dead even if
it's baloney So how do you get through that

702
01:03:30,93 --> 01:03:37,18
and if attention of the people on the Hill
for dealing with. You know what it what

703
01:03:37,40 --> 01:03:38,45
might sell was

704
01:03:38,46 --> 01:03:43,15
a good lead drama kind of like what Humphrey
Bogart said you know in Casablanca you

705
01:03:43,16 --> 01:03:43,30
know

706
01:03:43,31 --> 01:03:48,20
a couple of people with their small problem
the world is on fire so what do you do

707
01:03:48,20 --> 01:03:54,61
. I mean the answer for I think our legislators
It's lucky to get on the same time

708
01:03:55,30 --> 01:03:58,41
we're constantly having
to deal with a lot of

709
01:03:58,62 --> 01:04:04,54
a lot of issues but that's why you know
you Alexa than me why taxpayers pay money

710
01:04:05,33 --> 01:04:12,08
and why we why we want to make sure that.
You know we have these brawling federal

711
01:04:12,09 --> 01:04:18,06
government we need to be paying attention
and acting oversight at all. And all

712
01:04:18,07 --> 01:04:24,50
agencies and so you know I think on all
of these i just from that sense I want to

713
01:04:24,51 --> 01:04:29,80
make sure it's long reaching out to the
members of Congress on both the House and

714
01:04:29,81 --> 01:04:35,46
Senate side and I think you know in the in
this policy space there are some things

715
01:04:35,47 --> 01:04:42,33
that have started to get back. To shed
some of that partisan wing where George

716
01:04:42,34 --> 01:04:46,72
feelings and right now with its war in its
mapping zone everyone has come to the

717
01:04:46,73 --> 01:04:52,89
agreement we need to fix our
minds. And you know maps that show

718
01:04:53,73 --> 01:04:56,52
where people have problems where people
where they have broadband where they don't

719
01:04:56,53 --> 01:04:58,46
we have come to the agreement we can't get

720
01:04:58,47 --> 01:05:03,05
a solution plus we actually have good days
that you would hope that we started at

721
01:05:03,06 --> 01:05:09,46
that point but we can
there now. And so. On

722
01:05:09,47 --> 01:05:14,39
a lot of these I think that one actually
hearing from people you know I think there

723
01:05:14,40 --> 01:05:15,21
is a there's

724
01:05:15,30 --> 01:05:21,24
a lot there's so much going on and numb
yourself to it. But making sure that you

725
01:05:21,25 --> 01:05:25,79
actually are reaching out you would people
are it seems like reaching out maybe as

726
01:05:25,80 --> 01:05:31,62
many times and there are awful things going
on reaching out and and I think also

727
01:05:31,63 --> 01:05:32,20
finding

728
01:05:32,53 --> 01:05:39,43
a champion. For these issues. And there
are plenty of Champions in both chambers

729
01:05:39,44 --> 01:05:46,43
from. Very different districts in very
different states. But you know if you

730
01:05:46,44 --> 01:05:52,36
have persistent advocates persistent
organizations and. You know.

731
01:05:53,53 --> 01:05:57,25
There are plenty of members who do want
to engage and want to fight for what they

732
01:05:57,46 --> 01:06:01,60
want to fight for these communities
and so just encouraging that that's

733
01:06:01,61 --> 01:06:07,56
storytelling that's right sharing with
legislators. As well as just continued in

734
01:06:07,57 --> 01:06:12,97
Detroit and communication knowing that
these kind of regulatory changes have had

735
01:06:13,04 --> 01:06:18,56
multiple steps and so taken that
neutrality example you know you got

736
01:06:18,57 --> 01:06:23,78
a huge wave. And that gets that
gets the members attention gets

737
01:06:23,79 --> 01:06:28,55
a lot of people's attention and that's
that's that's right and the what's the form

738
01:06:28,56 --> 01:06:34,98
of though because we also know that.
Legislative staff is sensitive to work in the

739
01:06:34,99 --> 01:06:37,95
old days was called Astroturf
So the same post called

740
01:06:38,95 --> 01:06:43,57
a 1000 names that you can't even verify
you actually sent it so what's the best

741
01:06:43,58 --> 01:06:49,61
form for you to get the attention of the
legislative staff that overwhelmed not

742
01:06:49,62 --> 01:06:55,95
only with the daily dramas that are common
today but are still trying to do the

743
01:06:55,96 --> 01:07:02,61
regular basic work letting go. And I
think I can speak from from center

744
01:07:02,62 --> 01:07:03,99
Mary's Washington who's

745
01:07:04,88 --> 01:07:10,22
a Washington specific example but I would
say the easiest thing is picking up the

746
01:07:10,23 --> 01:07:11,02
phone that is

747
01:07:11,03 --> 01:07:17,83
a very easy call to me to say whether or
not you foreclose on you but also there

748
01:07:17,87 --> 01:07:20,43
are long lines. Just

749
01:07:20,69 --> 01:07:25,98
a website want people to send then for
you to send them right letter but it's

750
01:07:25,99 --> 01:07:30,09
always important for legislators often
hear from people in their districts in the

751
01:07:30,10 --> 01:07:36,42
states to look up to your congressman and
or your senator. And. And here it really

752
01:07:36,43 --> 01:07:42,83
goes on a much longer way your contact
person. Than a writer as well as

753
01:07:42,84 --> 01:07:47,28
a real quick so on that the Alliance for
Community Media mobilized in opposition to

754
01:07:47,29 --> 01:07:53,10
this order that was voted on today. It's
it's the local operations that had good

755
01:07:53,11 --> 01:07:56,95
relationships with legislators because
you have to think you also do have to

756
01:07:56,96 --> 01:08:01,70
remember at some point the rise of a
legislative career they've come through a T.V.

757
01:08:01,71 --> 01:08:04,77
Studio just like this you know
Bernie Sanders even had his T.V.

758
01:08:04,89 --> 01:08:10,96
Up in Vermont yet a public access T.V.
Show so that that's how the A.C.M.

759
01:08:10,97 --> 01:08:16,26
Was in you know many folks I even went to
some some meetings with the white Evans

760
01:08:16,30 --> 01:08:22,66
and embroils office Scanlan's office was
this local relationships you know and

761
01:08:22,67 --> 01:08:27,82
leveraging that and was able to we were
able to get like 41 people letters in

762
01:08:27,83 --> 01:08:33,48
opposition to the order and also like 17
senators in opposition to the orders so

763
01:08:33,62 --> 01:08:37,54
Muslim Democrat you know but you know
it we got to figure out how to get bar

764
01:08:37,61 --> 01:08:42,67
bipartisan I think is another big issue
but still I would just want to share to

765
01:08:42,68 --> 01:08:47,81
this group that we all keep in mind that
community radio and community access T.V.

766
01:08:47,82 --> 01:08:52,70
Operations they have folks who come through
right you know and there are folks

767
01:08:52,71 --> 01:08:56,23
people that I've talked to that said oh
yeah King it will cause i know soon I know

768
01:08:56,24 --> 01:09:01,06
such and such and just in the end people
leverage those relationships with Marquis

769
01:09:01,07 --> 01:09:05,53
that's why you came out and he's the
champion against this this order on that the

770
01:09:05,57 --> 01:09:06,08
that the F.C.C.

771
01:09:06,09 --> 01:09:10,00
Voted on that's great point because
you know this doesn't have to be

772
01:09:10,01 --> 01:09:15,93
a partisan issue. Hartman
story when you think story.

773
01:09:17,17 --> 01:09:24,16
From the actual news of poking fun for.
We found in our advocacy you know that

774
01:09:24,20 --> 01:09:28,01
makes all the difference so your people
reference somebody probably partner we have

775
01:09:28,02 --> 01:09:34,57
a bipartisan vote in the Senate to try
to overturn to overturn the repeal

776
01:09:34,98 --> 01:09:40,31
of the. Try we will it was bipartisan
because we had all been to voices from the

777
01:09:40,32 --> 01:09:45,39
community come and talk to both Democrat
and Republican members and we heard from

778
01:09:45,40 --> 01:09:51,29
Stephanie that while the Republicans who
voted to overturn that repeal you know

779
01:09:51,79 --> 01:09:58,31
from the last go or or Mean heard from their
actual constituents really don't give

780
01:09:58,32 --> 01:10:03,55
in you know you you have example you have
experience of of rowing authentic voices

781
01:10:04,23 --> 01:10:07,32
to speak up in unique words
yeah I think this is a this is

782
01:10:07,33 --> 01:10:11,95
a moment where because everybody
is dealing with so many crises.

783
01:10:15,10 --> 01:10:17,50
Everybody is kind of overextended and

784
01:10:17,91 --> 01:10:23,19
a knowledge in that it's important to look
for ways to bring people on board that

785
01:10:23,20 --> 01:10:26,95
maybe it doesn't take as much capacity from
them but can demonstrate the breadth of

786
01:10:26,96 --> 01:10:28,99
a coalition so we spend

787
01:10:29,00 --> 01:10:33,06
a lot of time looking for the point of
connection between people doing public

788
01:10:33,07 --> 01:10:39,19
interest in the justice work and people
working in the arts and culture both

789
01:10:39,45 --> 01:10:45,03
nominally for profit and nonprofit arts
all the way up to you know we worked

790
01:10:45,11 --> 01:10:47,19
closely with the record labels

791
01:10:47,32 --> 01:10:53,97
a major in independent record labels in
and along with the unions and along with

792
01:10:53,98 --> 01:10:59,34
the Grammys through with their body does
it 1st in this radio consolidation issue

793
01:10:59,78 --> 01:11:04,78
and like looking for ways to bring diverse
stakeholders that might not agree on

794
01:11:04,79 --> 01:11:10,76
other issues together and show the show
the breadth of common ground I think even

795
01:11:10,99 --> 01:11:14,83
the community media especially. Should be

796
01:11:14,84 --> 01:11:19,00
a bipartisan issue because it affects
everybody and regardless of what your

797
01:11:19,06 --> 01:11:26,00
particular point of view musically
politically culturally might be the ability

798
01:11:26,01 --> 01:11:30,55
for your voice to be heard matters to
everybody regardless of their perspective so

799
01:11:30,61 --> 01:11:35,15
we've only got about 5 minutes or so right
you know we've got more time but we've

800
01:11:35,16 --> 01:11:42,01
got 15 of them already sorry I misunderstood
the side so we have plenty of time I

801
01:11:42,02 --> 01:11:46,28
know for folks to ourselves
what if we were on M.S.N. B.C.

802
01:11:46,29 --> 01:11:51,10
We would cut for commercial rather trade
well but that's not how we're paying no

803
01:11:51,82 --> 01:11:55,69
not at all times let's not go to the
break because we have it we have

804
01:11:55,70 --> 01:12:01,19
a great conversation going here I'd love
for folks to cut away and with. You know

805
01:12:01,93 --> 01:12:02,75
if we're building

806
01:12:02,76 --> 01:12:07,83
a movement reserved for news you need to
talk about radio or talk about hosiery and

807
01:12:08,80 --> 01:12:14,27
you know I even would love to include you
know tutor looking for new music of I've

808
01:12:14,78 --> 01:12:19,30
been our work we've met folks doing
community you ever talk to you know using

809
01:12:19,31 --> 01:12:25,61
community television studios to build over
for if it's cutting edge all of that is

810
01:12:25,65 --> 01:12:32,51
this community media. What can we. What
pieces do we have here and what pieces

811
01:12:32,56 --> 01:12:37,44
do we need in a coalition
to further the. P.C.

812
01:12:37,45 --> 01:12:42,59
And Bunny and Sue like this can use the
media networks like wireless networks with

813
01:12:42,60 --> 01:12:47,25
me infrastructure of the 100 stands for
and I just was done with it is like there

814
01:12:47,26 --> 01:12:51,09
you see like the 8 actually
they're like you know

815
01:12:51,31 --> 01:12:56,27
a network of Chattanooga Tennessee Can you
write as their Robin was full of yeah so

816
01:12:56,69 --> 01:13:02,29
I think you know I'm used to Bing likes
community like media like use that broadly

817
01:13:02,33 --> 01:13:06,87
that term broadly to is very important in
putting in Gauge me journalism in there

818
01:13:06,94 --> 01:13:13,90
as well you know solutions journalism
that so I just when I was good at. I

819
01:13:13,91 --> 01:13:19,02
don't want to know probably of all the
issues that I've worked on outside of net

820
01:13:19,03 --> 01:13:24,64
neutrality this is been I think I come
to it with humility now because when I

821
01:13:24,65 --> 01:13:29,63
started the ring through the
elevator comments in the. F.C.C.

822
01:13:30,14 --> 01:13:34,64
Docket system and there were public 6000
comments I just sort of assumed people

823
01:13:34,65 --> 01:13:40,09
were throwing in one liners like I don't
support this or this is garbage but I

824
01:13:40,10 --> 01:13:44,14
started reading you know you sort of read
the big trade associations and the evil

825
01:13:44,15 --> 01:13:50,43
empire type of filings and and then all
your friends and ally organization and at

826
01:13:50,44 --> 01:13:52,39
some point I just started just breeding

827
01:13:52,43 --> 01:13:56,43
a couple of the other ones from just regular
folks all across the country not even

828
01:13:56,44 --> 01:13:58,95
people who were running the
stations but just might have had

829
01:13:58,96 --> 01:14:01,40
a passing you know they got
training and then that led to

830
01:14:01,41 --> 01:14:06,68
a job somewhere and I mean these were
like some very moving stories as for raw

831
01:14:06,69 --> 01:14:11,91
material there's so much there like I said
I was just 6000 people that shared you

832
01:14:11,92 --> 01:14:15,11
know shared their stories but I'm
sure they were only represent

833
01:14:15,12 --> 01:14:19,71
a fraction of the people that are ready
to go out there so you know I'm not an

834
01:14:19,72 --> 01:14:25,10
organizer but I would like to say that
there's plenty of you know grist for the

835
01:14:25,11 --> 01:14:26,09
mill are that's

836
01:14:26,10 --> 01:14:30,88
a bad analogy of what you know there's
plenty of raw material for us to sort of get

837
01:14:30,89 --> 01:14:35,04
together and work with those folks and I
think that's the other part of it there

838
01:14:35,05 --> 01:14:40,86
are already very sophisticated highly
educated you all highly sophisticated

839
01:14:40,87 --> 01:14:47,25
educated about the issue you know in kind
contributions to me me 15 I'll admit it

840
01:14:47,26 --> 01:14:51,67
15 to 20 minutes to sit there and figure
that understand it and like understand the

841
01:14:51,68 --> 01:14:54,39
issues and I'm sitting here reading them
all these filings and again these are

842
01:14:54,40 --> 01:14:58,19
regular folks and they're all they get it
and if they don't get the sort of nitty

843
01:14:58,20 --> 01:15:03,43
gritty they get the see the impact and
they understand it and I think you know

844
01:15:03,47 --> 01:15:09,70
who's being affected by by these. This
rule change it's it's not just the people

845
01:15:09,71 --> 01:15:13,81
that work at these places right the communities
and if we. And 0 in on who's being

846
01:15:13,82 --> 01:15:17,94
affected and just make sure that we're not
being extractive you know in like sort

847
01:15:17,95 --> 01:15:21,82
of you give give us your story so we
can go and hit the hill but like right

848
01:15:22,08 --> 01:15:26,97
engaging right like educating that. Reaching
out to them making sure that they can

849
01:15:26,98 --> 01:15:32,99
reach out to folks on the Hill on their own
or you know we could be that vehicle be

850
01:15:33,00 --> 01:15:38,18
a vehicle to help them assist them one of
things that we do with near justice quite

851
01:15:38,19 --> 01:15:43,84
often is bring people people from affected
communities to the hill and if you want

852
01:15:43,85 --> 01:15:50,62
to talk more about that are you
sure I mean yes so. One of the

853
01:15:50,63 --> 01:15:53,36
things that like I said
Media Justice hosts

854
01:15:53,37 --> 01:15:59,69
a national network with over 100. A
lot of them community and social

855
01:15:59,70 --> 01:16:05,13
organizations and a lot of those folks
live in places that are not D.C.

856
01:16:05,88 --> 01:16:07,06
There are some folks in D.C.

857
01:16:07,07 --> 01:16:13,78
As well who would like to speak out but.
One of the things that we love to do is to

858
01:16:14,24 --> 01:16:17,73
bring people from all
across the country to D.C.

859
01:16:17,74 --> 01:16:23,04
To come speak directly with their
legislator the person who has power in that

860
01:16:23,08 --> 01:16:29,66
particular situation to share stories.
To talk with them about crafting

861
01:16:29,67 --> 01:16:35,45
stories about how to tell stories and
compelling ways and also to use different

862
01:16:35,46 --> 01:16:41,12
types of media to tell stories and share
their stories with their communities we've

863
01:16:41,13 --> 01:16:47,91
held a rally you just outside of the F.C.C.
. Speak out so outside of the F.C.C.

864
01:16:48,77 --> 01:16:53,19
We've done direct actions on the whole we
went caroling last it was that last year

865
01:16:53,23 --> 01:16:59,18
you might not hear earlier we changed the
mode the words to things that are media

866
01:16:59,19 --> 01:17:03,52
specifically not in trial be focused but
one thing that I was going to share also.

867
01:17:05,31 --> 01:17:11,84
Was. To bring in trusted leaders so
people who are ready have established

868
01:17:12,70 --> 01:17:16,84
credibility in communities and one that
I love to bring up because they're my

869
01:17:16,85 --> 01:17:23,34
favorite people ever are librarian Oh I
love. Yes I love my theory and yes I'm

870
01:17:24,17 --> 01:17:28,61
in I live in Baltimore currently so that
you know pride at the library system I

871
01:17:28,62 --> 01:17:35,49
love it so much and they know me they're
not my local library but there is also

872
01:17:35,50 --> 01:17:39,13
librarians and libraries in general are
some of the most turnt up people about like

873
01:17:39,56 --> 01:17:45,58
speech actions and it's digital inclusion
and. I've seen reports of them also

874
01:17:45,59 --> 01:17:49,84
dipping into like social work because
that's and it's all so connected these days

875
01:17:49,85 --> 01:17:53,49
and your ability to access services is so
dependent on your ability to access the

876
01:17:53,50 --> 01:17:58,30
Internet and also have other you know types
of infrastructure but other places like

877
01:17:58,31 --> 01:18:04,45
that like. Also religious
institutions and I know of some

878
01:18:04,81 --> 01:18:08,79
churches and other religious institutions
that have their own kind of it would be

879
01:18:08,80 --> 01:18:13,32
consider an internet service but they run
digital inclusion programs as well and so

880
01:18:13,33 --> 01:18:18,62
I think it's like. Really. I don't even
know if I can say that outside the box but

881
01:18:18,63 --> 01:18:24,19
just thinking in nontraditional ways about
how to activate community members who

882
01:18:24,20 --> 01:18:27,72
are already organized in these other places
so there's already people that are you

883
01:18:27,73 --> 01:18:30,09
know they go to the lot I'm one
of those people that goes to

884
01:18:30,10 --> 01:18:34,39
a library you know at least once a
week or people that are going to

885
01:18:34,40 --> 01:18:39,61
a church or synagogue or mosque or whatever
it may be on particular days and really

886
01:18:39,62 --> 01:18:41,20
tap in there as well as

887
01:18:41,21 --> 01:18:46,17
a source of power and like you're saying
not to be extractive about it it's power

888
01:18:46,18 --> 01:18:51,07
with not power over you and so you know
you really want to be building those

889
01:18:51,08 --> 01:18:56,65
relationships authentically but I feel
like it's not even that I feel like I know

890
01:18:56,66 --> 01:18:56,98
that that's

891
01:18:56,99 --> 01:19:02,16
a huge source of organizing power and can
be utilized in situations like this as

892
01:19:02,17 --> 01:19:07,21
well and what are some of the best ways
that we can build those relationships

893
01:19:07,22 --> 01:19:13,01
authentically without being. Especially
when there's organizing going on local

894
01:19:13,02 --> 01:19:19,86
levels but we want to mess with people
are raising which is across the IT HURTS

895
01:19:19,87 --> 01:19:26,49
colleagues in the Senate you're. Yeah I
mean there is no easy answer for that it's

896
01:19:26,50 --> 01:19:30,96
really just being authentic which I think
can be difficult sometimes for people who

897
01:19:30,97 --> 01:19:37,19
are in the Beltway. But like when I was
doing housing Organizing For instance I

898
01:19:37,20 --> 01:19:38,95
organized locally here in D.C.

899
01:19:38,95 --> 01:19:43,54
. And I think I just want to say this it
is so important for me to share that there

900
01:19:43,55 --> 01:19:44,61
are people in D.C.

901
01:19:44,62 --> 01:19:50,81
Who are not the government they just
live in us he. Has no life yet the best

902
01:19:50,82 --> 01:19:54,71
friends would like 600000 people but just
like you live here you need to be even

903
01:19:54,72 --> 01:19:59,24
suffer a government from home
yeah exactly right the economy

904
01:19:59,25 --> 01:20:04,53
a lot of regular people yes I mean the
government Yeah right they work for the city

905
01:20:04,54 --> 01:20:11,38
you know home. And dumb and so I was
organizing some of those regular folks

906
01:20:11,42 --> 01:20:15,37
the people that were living in public housing
and it's really just about showing up

907
01:20:15,38 --> 01:20:17,99
for people so like I had
somebody who is a leader in

908
01:20:18,00 --> 01:20:23,84
a public housing space and she needed to
move and so I was there with my car on

909
01:20:23,85 --> 01:20:24,25
like

910
01:20:24,29 --> 01:20:30,25
a Friday morning helping her move her stuff.
And it's just building you know showing

911
01:20:30,26 --> 01:20:34,09
up to commute it's not just showing up
when you're issue is the thing that's

912
01:20:34,10 --> 01:20:40,74
important but really. Leaning in and
building genuine community with people

913
01:20:40,75 --> 01:20:45,82
also like going to meet your neighbors or
create you can be as easy as starting to

914
01:20:45,83 --> 01:20:47,28
say hello to your neighbors
I don't know if that's like

915
01:20:47,29 --> 01:20:51,96
a big thing these I say hello I'm like I'm
very chatty with my neighbors all the

916
01:20:51,97 --> 01:20:57,07
time so. And and then asking
them how they feel about

917
01:20:57,11 --> 01:21:02,44
a particular thing that they can't hear
whatever. Programming that they maybe used

918
01:21:02,45 --> 01:21:03,32
to be able to hear

919
01:21:03,84 --> 01:21:08,15
a year ago or so in my case it was housing
seeing eviction notices or seeing

920
01:21:09,03 --> 01:21:15,70
rezoning notices on doors or having.
Like people who are like family members

921
01:21:16,34 --> 01:21:16,60
being

922
01:21:16,61 --> 01:21:20,90
a victim and or you know and I'm don't want
to get too deep into housing but it can

923
01:21:20,91 --> 01:21:26,99
be devastating for. Older people during
redevelopments be moved because you know

924
01:21:27,00 --> 01:21:30,10
you're losing your support system the person
who goes to get your groceries is now

925
01:21:30,11 --> 01:21:33,88
somewhere else you're near people that
don't necessarily care so well story short

926
01:21:33,93 --> 01:21:37,55
it's really just about being genuine
authentic and not just showing up when it's

927
01:21:37,56 --> 01:21:44,16
your issue but. And then I also
want to say that I think something

928
01:21:44,17 --> 01:21:48,24
particularly in this small moment that's
important is not positioning your issue as

929
01:21:48,46 --> 01:21:54,52
in competition with some of these larger.
And more like moral crises that we're

930
01:21:54,53 --> 01:21:58,88
dealing with so people in cages on the
border in all other places of the U.S.

931
01:21:58,89 --> 01:22:03,11
Too and some of these other things but
saying that like when I was talking with

932
01:22:03,12 --> 01:22:07,89
people you know canvassing or just like
chatting with people about Net Neutrality I

933
01:22:07,90 --> 01:22:13,70
would say this issue is not in competition
with your particular issue it's actually

934
01:22:14,30 --> 01:22:20,37
infrastructure for it so like you want
to get your story out about housing.

935
01:22:22,04 --> 01:22:28,48
Well. News stations are necessarily showing
up at Sam dairy farms or to Lincoln

936
01:22:28,49 --> 01:22:33,42
Heights but maybe your local radio station
won't exactly and so do you want to lose

937
01:22:33,43 --> 01:22:37,75
that and obviously And I mean it's like
intuitive when you start talking to people

938
01:22:37,76 --> 01:22:43,73
about it and so they see it as this issue
is important also helps me you know save

939
01:22:43,74 --> 01:22:49,65
my housing or it helps me have access to
quality education or whatever it may be so

940
01:22:49,88 --> 01:22:50,93
I think and we've had

941
01:22:50,94 --> 01:22:54,22
a lot of success with positioning in that
way versus saying you shouldn't care

942
01:22:54,23 --> 01:22:58,23
about this issue you need to care about net
neutrality it's really not positioning

943
01:22:58,24 --> 01:23:02,30
the most competitive to one another but
rather this undergirds all of these other

944
01:23:02,31 --> 01:23:07,43
things and without this. This foundation
it makes it that much more difficult for

945
01:23:07,44 --> 01:23:11,64
you to get your message out there to connect
with other people for you to. Break

946
01:23:11,65 --> 01:23:15,88
that isolation and began organizing Yeah I
think one thing that's really important

947
01:23:15,89 --> 01:23:22,23
in this moment is to try to offer support
as much as you ask or it's so you know

948
01:23:22,27 --> 01:23:27,84
when I'm asking musicians to like can you
help us out with this net neutrality

949
01:23:27,85 --> 01:23:31,29
thing getting that reciprocity
So when musicians have

950
01:23:31,44 --> 01:23:35,90
a issue that's really high or high
importance to them to have that same kind of

951
01:23:35,91 --> 01:23:41,51
support flowing back the other direction
is really important in and building broad

952
01:23:41,52 --> 01:23:47,66
movements and sustainable movements or
trends. So what other apps do we need

953
01:23:48,46 --> 01:23:52,85
on our on the variety of issues that we're
working on to really bring different

954
01:23:52,86 --> 01:23:56,75
parts of. The you know
if and when to call it

955
01:23:56,76 --> 01:24:03,58
a product campaign together other other
apps that folks to me. Feel like

956
01:24:03,93 --> 01:24:08,54
it's got I think it's worth reminding
everybody it was today it's August 1st OK

957
01:24:08,65 --> 01:24:15,02
that modesty recess is taking off and that
hurts Fox and all her colleagues and all

958
01:24:15,20 --> 01:24:22,13
a lot of their staff are going to be at
home and then going to be queues showing up

959
01:24:22,39 --> 01:24:26,50
having other conversations with people
and this is an easy time to have

960
01:24:26,51 --> 01:24:32,14
a less formal conversation with your current
leaders about stuff for the season for

961
01:24:32,15 --> 01:24:36,58
town halls or not over there so you
know yes everyone needs to make

962
01:24:36,59 --> 01:24:41,15
a comment but I think everybody you can
remind your communities that this is going

963
01:24:41,16 --> 01:24:44,37
on and take advantage
of the time. The F.C.C.

964
01:24:44,38 --> 01:24:47,79
Had their go today because they wanted to
get out of time going to get it down you

965
01:24:47,80 --> 01:24:50,50
know we can also take
advantage of the time this is

966
01:24:50,51 --> 01:24:55,45
a chance to to really have some locally
based conversations about local media.

967
01:25:01,41 --> 01:25:06,83
I think doubling that back when you meet

968
01:25:06,87 --> 01:25:13,68
a long. Day talk to them about the issue
or some of them may come through your

969
01:25:13,69 --> 01:25:20,43
studio and some of them whether it's an LP
F.M. Station of the community access T.V.

970
01:25:20,52 --> 01:25:26,59
In the studio work and talk to them and
may not be the interviewer of the program

971
01:25:26,60 --> 01:25:31,30
or that there's nothing wrong if you have
that kind of separation of church and

972
01:25:31,31 --> 01:25:36,36
state there so that you know that the
general manager who's not on the air is not

973
01:25:36,37 --> 01:25:42,36
doing so is he you know about this.
Sometimes people don't really know about.

974
01:25:43,31 --> 01:25:44,09
An F.C.C.

975
01:25:44,10 --> 01:25:51,16
Rule making that allows more interfere
they haven't heard about. It

976
01:25:51,32 --> 01:25:56,66
because my one as would be for folks
who are working on issues to just

977
01:25:57,65 --> 01:26:03,58
consistently appear and speak on on our
platforms you know that we have you know if

978
01:26:03,59 --> 01:26:08,09
there is connect with producers who are
doing shows or some lot of operations there

979
01:26:08,37 --> 01:26:13,12
their staff are these programs like in
Philly can there there is people power lunch

980
01:26:13,13 --> 01:26:16,93
hour which is that's live on the radio
every Wednesday there was also another

981
01:26:16,94 --> 01:26:20,34
program that we did we brought in non-profits
and community groups but it's like

982
01:26:20,69 --> 01:26:25,76
you know have been like if you all are in
town or wherever you go you travel on The

983
01:26:25,77 --> 01:26:30,42
View working with constituents out in the
Bay area wherever you know taking those

984
01:26:30,43 --> 01:26:34,71
people to those outlets and having them
tell the stories and then taking that

985
01:26:34,72 --> 01:26:39,12
documentation and those narratives and
then like sharing it out probably also I

986
01:26:39,13 --> 01:26:39,66
think that's

987
01:26:39,67 --> 01:26:46,28
a that's very important because.
I think that one you know what

988
01:26:46,58 --> 01:26:51,21
some of the work that it could have been
doing has been trying to get folks in the

989
01:26:51,22 --> 01:26:57,75
arts and cultural sector to think of things
more in terms of media equity I think

990
01:26:58,09 --> 01:27:02,10
a corollary to that is that I think there's
an opportunity for folks to in public

991
01:27:02,11 --> 01:27:07,78
interest work and media work to think
more in terms of labor justice I think

992
01:27:07,79 --> 01:27:14,32
there's some some really. Fruitful ground
for collaboration along those lines and

993
01:27:14,70 --> 01:27:19,10
off of that my want to ask would be you
know that intersection of often want if you

994
01:27:19,11 --> 01:27:22,45
don't understand what that means and
you don't know what each of those

995
01:27:22,46 --> 01:27:27,91
intersections are about spend the time
to research it and understand it it's

996
01:27:27,92 --> 01:27:33,15
a lot more listening right I think of it
as some of the IT was describing it making

997
01:27:33,16 --> 01:27:40,01
space for folks to be understood
and be heard even if it's not. For

998
01:27:40,02 --> 01:27:44,67
them. What we're we're
getting close to it.

999
01:27:46,82 --> 01:27:51,23
And in part I don't know you know really
appreciate you bringing everyone together

1000
01:27:51,24 --> 01:27:57,15
for this conversation. Is there anything
you wanted you to charges were actually

1001
01:27:57,16 --> 01:27:59,15
N.C. It's not just me I got to give

1002
01:27:59,16 --> 01:28:05,76
a big shout out to to my partner in this
endeavor Sabrina Roach as well thank you

1003
01:28:05,77 --> 01:28:11,60
Sabrina for your hard work and your investment
your time to do this and yeah let's

1004
01:28:11,61 --> 01:28:15,80
do more let's keep pushing That's my
charge you know they desist this isn't

1005
01:28:15,81 --> 01:28:19,53
a one time thing that will be on that we
need to figure out the net beyond this

1006
01:28:19,54 --> 01:28:23,91
point how we can have more in-depth I love
like this and really put some strategies

1007
01:28:23,92 --> 01:28:27,74
on the board and get into our local communities
to give good so we can continue to

1008
01:28:27,75 --> 01:28:32,40
have our you know user resources
that will focus we've had

1009
01:28:32,41 --> 01:28:38,10
a lot of the ideas here we hope folks are
watching will share this. Video with

1010
01:28:38,78 --> 01:28:44,60
others in the community of course there's
the hashtag search in the media. And so

1011
01:28:44,61 --> 01:28:47,86
there's lots of ways to gauge and to
continue this conversation so thank you for

1012
01:28:47,87 --> 01:28:51,14
watching everyone is watching think through
the roof here that made you think thank

1013
01:28:51,15 --> 01:28:56,51
you that it's. Been sort of in Spain.