WEBVTT 1 00:07:11.030 --> 00:07:14.550 Good afternoon and my name is in Swan Haywood T.V. 2 00:07:14.560 --> 00:07:17.890 The public access corporation of the district of respected in communication 3 00:07:17.900 --> 00:07:22.870 regulatory practices community media folks Jasmine white and her eyes for Community 4 00:07:22.880 --> 00:07:26.800 Media Mike Watson our Gretchen classing at Philly cam and we have 5 00:07:26.810 --> 00:07:28.960 a whole team of Philly cam to be 6 00:07:28.970 --> 00:07:33.510 a part of this conversation and support free to join us you know at this moment's 7 00:07:33.520 --> 00:07:37.280 notice open it up for introductions and discussions today the Federal 8 00:07:37.290 --> 00:07:38.540 Communications Commission voted on 9 00:07:38.550 --> 00:07:42.880 a policy shift that erodes local control of public property and impinges on 10 00:07:42.890 --> 00:07:48.270 publicly accessible communication resources order number 05311 his example of as he 11 00:07:48.280 --> 00:07:52.580 sees political majorities will to override the 1904 Cable Act and regulatory 12 00:07:52.620 --> 00:07:57.120 authority local franchises that sustain operations like D.C. T.V. 13 00:07:57.550 --> 00:08:01.600 Philly cam and Community Media Montgomery County and many mother more operations 14 00:08:01.610 --> 00:08:05.760 that are watching today and going to be retransmitting this program constant 15 00:08:06.140 --> 00:08:10.160 communication services that we wants that were once provided as in contributions 16 00:08:10.170 --> 00:08:12.640 will no longer be given will now be given 17 00:08:12.650 --> 00:08:17.090 a monetary value which can in turn debt be deducted from the front 5 percent 18 00:08:17.100 --> 00:08:20.990 franchise fees that municipal governments receive from cable operators I know it's 19 00:08:21.000 --> 00:08:25.110 a mouthful but it's very devastating folks and it's something that we need to pray 20 00:08:25.150 --> 00:08:29.020 pay attention to local franchises are able to collect these fees since cable 21 00:08:29.030 --> 00:08:31.620 operators use public rights of way to make property so is 22 00:08:31.630 --> 00:08:35.510 a big issue of preemption that we're going to be discussing here today and all the 23 00:08:35.520 --> 00:08:40.550 commissions action on this order is not is devastating is in terms of the blow 24 00:08:40.560 --> 00:08:46.120 directly to pay as we thought but it is still detrimental and it's still something 25 00:08:46.130 --> 00:08:49.500 that is we need to be concerned about $1.00 thing that I've learned while serving 26 00:08:49.510 --> 00:08:49.700 as 27 00:08:49.710 --> 00:08:53.830 a public policy enter in the summer is the importance of Pan attention to regulatory 28 00:08:53.840 --> 00:08:58.360 norms and how precedents are set how they perpetuated by discord of the power elite 29 00:08:58.400 --> 00:09:01.820 is very important so in this case is the F.C.C. 30 00:09:01.830 --> 00:09:05.930 And industry is pushing for this discourse so there are other issues that we do 31 00:09:05.940 --> 00:09:11.370 need to pay attention to such as I don't. That was it was on the agenda today but 32 00:09:11.380 --> 00:09:17.750 it is moved to I think so to timber Yeah OK OK So but we were talking about that 33 00:09:18.510 --> 00:09:22.700 a little bit and you know really what the vision here is to better ally our 34 00:09:22.710 --> 00:09:26.360 networks and to leverage power against what has happened at the F.C.C. 35 00:09:26.370 --> 00:09:29.110 Today I and instead of brooding and kicking 36 00:09:29.120 --> 00:09:33.720 a rock down the road we've come together today to push for more because our 37 00:09:33.730 --> 00:09:38.590 communities deserve more i'm so the goal of this dialogue is simple begin to build 38 00:09:38.600 --> 00:09:40.820 an understanding of our shared values establish 39 00:09:40.830 --> 00:09:44.400 a foundation upon which we can do more public interest work as 40 00:09:44.410 --> 00:09:49.530 a coalition and with that I would like to pass the rock to you. Best of all starts 41 00:09:49.540 --> 00:09:56.300 to use that terminology. To our moderator Chris Lewis who is the head of public 42 00:09:56.310 --> 00:10:00.530 knowledge and thank you for all for taking us in guiding this conversation today no 43 00:10:00.540 --> 00:10:03.650 thank you wrestling for inviting me and all of us to come to speak in this 44 00:10:03.660 --> 00:10:07.260 conversation just to be clear correct the record here is 45 00:10:07.270 --> 00:10:09.200 a real battle and washing I was not 46 00:10:09.210 --> 00:10:14.700 a star it's just I was an elevator you know and I didn't like it but I do love the 47 00:10:14.710 --> 00:10:17.900 game I'm long tired we have 48 00:10:17.910 --> 00:10:24.090 a great panel here. And what I'd like to do to kick things off to make sure that 49 00:10:24.310 --> 00:10:29.410 everyone watching knows who we have on our panel so that we can really open 50 00:10:29.420 --> 00:10:34.220 dialogue. And talk about some of these issues. Because there's 51 00:10:34.230 --> 00:10:39.080 a lot that we could rustle up and talk about today given the news. But also just 52 00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:45.190 the breath of things that we're all trying to do to promote local media. So. 53 00:10:46.350 --> 00:10:50.680 Thank you all for joining us and we hope. That you know we hope if you're watching 54 00:10:50.690 --> 00:10:55.500 your gazing at her there's a half Pesek save you need media so if there's 55 00:10:55.510 --> 00:11:00.780 a conversation going on online that's where you can find it. All the way here on 56 00:11:00.790 --> 00:11:04.560 the end of our panel will just go across and give you have ones name and title but 57 00:11:04.570 --> 00:11:09.170 folks will will be talking about what they do in their organization 1st. On the end 58 00:11:09.180 --> 00:11:14.330 here we have Angela Jenna tear from the National League of Cities next to her We 59 00:11:14.340 --> 00:11:21.170 have heart Clement from the office of United States Senator Murray next to 60 00:11:21.180 --> 00:11:24.970 her we have Michael Richards representing the LP F.M. 61 00:11:24.980 --> 00:11:31.150 Coalition of course you know our hosts here entwine and myself next to me my friend 62 00:11:31.390 --> 00:11:36.930 lifted Patrick from the organization called Free Press next to him our friend Kevin 63 00:11:36.940 --> 00:11:43.720 Erickson from the Future of Music Coalition and bring in on the end here. Last but 64 00:11:43.730 --> 00:11:49.660 not least. We have Aaron shields from Media Justice So thank you all for 65 00:11:49.670 --> 00:11:56.070 participating you all contribute tremendous things to to policy discussions and to 66 00:11:56.080 --> 00:12:02.730 this this policy debate so. Why don't we start with going around 67 00:12:02.940 --> 00:12:08.390 the panel here and what it what do it for folks to just talk a bit give us 68 00:12:08.400 --> 00:12:14.770 a brief synopsis of your position and the values that you think motivate your work 69 00:12:14.770 --> 00:12:21.590 . And and to sort of wrap into that you know who are the who's the audience that 70 00:12:21.600 --> 00:12:26.480 you serve who are your constituents how do you view your audience so maybe Angela 71 00:12:26.490 --> 00:12:27.100 you can strike 72 00:12:27.110 --> 00:12:32.500 a force you know Angelina can carry and I work for the National Youth great 73 00:12:32.510 --> 00:12:38.840 organization her next big. Cities towns villages all sides of the country 74 00:12:39.550 --> 00:12:42.930 and everybody New York City down on his hometown has 75 00:12:42.940 --> 00:12:49.410 a single digit. And most of those communities are small. Really different 50000 76 00:12:49.570 --> 00:12:51.000 that you're you know have 77 00:12:51.010 --> 00:12:56.020 a population of less money. And those are communities that are really impacted by 78 00:12:56.030 --> 00:13:01.410 it what are. Some of the things that we prioritize as an organization our broadband 79 00:13:01.420 --> 00:13:06.110 access access to infrastructure equitable acting infrastructure but in particular 80 00:13:06.570 --> 00:13:10.360 fighting back against the rising wave of preamps. Not just on this issue but across 81 00:13:10.430 --> 00:13:17.350 a wide spectrum of issues everything at the state and federal level and. Part I yet 82 00:13:17.360 --> 00:13:21.090 heart comments with Senator Patty Murray and our constituents are literally the 83 00:13:21.100 --> 00:13:27.880 constituents of Western companies the better Washington. Are for my boss 84 00:13:27.990 --> 00:13:32.250 was kind of speaking about these issues here she's really focused on the users so 85 00:13:32.580 --> 00:13:39.010 how are these policies and. How are these changes affecting Washington families and 86 00:13:39.020 --> 00:13:45.190 children. And so on that front hoping that you know she's put towards 87 00:13:45.230 --> 00:13:51.960 legislative solutions to try to put more money back into programs. And that has 88 00:13:51.970 --> 00:13:58.870 been confirmed focus. Going forward. Michael Richards I'm the lawyer for 89 00:13:58.880 --> 00:14:04.710 the LP fm coalition which has no charter but it does represent about $100.00. 90 00:14:06.250 --> 00:14:08.750 And some change LP F.M. 91 00:14:08.760 --> 00:14:13.790 Stations plus a couple of advocacy groups for those who aren't familiar with LP F.M. 92 00:14:13.800 --> 00:14:16.030 That stands for low power F.M. 93 00:14:16.420 --> 00:14:23.350 They are under $100.00 watts each and they cover an area of anywhere from 2 to 94 00:14:23.520 --> 00:14:25.120 5 miles sometimes 95 00:14:25.130 --> 00:14:30.870 a little further with interference hyper local community based programs. 96 00:14:32.130 --> 00:14:37.610 A lot of them are volunteers some are attached to congregations religious 97 00:14:37.620 --> 00:14:43.380 congregations some are attached to schools and so forth but in general what they 98 00:14:43.390 --> 00:14:49.950 all do is they bring the local back into local radio 99 00:14:50.140 --> 00:14:56.810 and they were unable to buy the local community radio act of 2010 which allowed 100 00:14:56.820 --> 00:15:01.820 them to expand in areas of the country such as the cities where there was not 101 00:15:01.830 --> 00:15:06.950 spectrum under old rule. And they are being threatened right now. 102 00:15:08.890 --> 00:15:13.120 A competition for spectrum and some changes to F.C.C. 103 00:15:13.130 --> 00:15:20.000 Regulation that are going to make it harder for them to stop interference so 104 00:15:20.010 --> 00:15:24.930 that they're getting hemmed in and that of course isn't good necessarily for 105 00:15:24.940 --> 00:15:31.890 communities because they are the hyper local voice of many communities in 106 00:15:31.900 --> 00:15:37.680 a radio environment where programming is increasingly 107 00:15:38.450 --> 00:15:43.280 nationwide which has its advantages for certain things but obviously it leaves the 108 00:15:43.290 --> 00:15:50.090 community. And one he would and standing in for Mike Watson are 109 00:15:50.880 --> 00:15:57.480 who is the leader of the Alliance for community media and so I am representing of 110 00:15:57.520 --> 00:16:02.340 thank operations and like the one that we're in to today the alliance with the 111 00:16:02.350 --> 00:16:04.730 media is the lobbying organization so it's 112 00:16:04.740 --> 00:16:07.990 a trade association other represents the interests of public education and 113 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:11.830 government access operations many there are many peg operations throughout the 114 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:16.150 countries also have L.P.'s and license Philly cam as one Arlington County 115 00:16:16.370 --> 00:16:18.390 Independent Media is another just to give 116 00:16:18.400 --> 00:16:25.150 a few examples. It's the values that most take operation is that they have 117 00:16:25.540 --> 00:16:31.100 in common are as is education so literacy you know making them literacy only comes 118 00:16:31.110 --> 00:16:33.950 the digital literacy ready of media literacy that is 119 00:16:33.990 --> 00:16:37.050 a shared value also you know localism is 120 00:16:37.060 --> 00:16:41.630 a very very big important ones you're talking about localism to radio and this is 121 00:16:41.640 --> 00:16:44.680 why many many access stations T.V. 122 00:16:44.690 --> 00:16:49.720 Access stations that also have radio because they share this value of localism and 123 00:16:49.730 --> 00:16:55.200 so so telling narratives giving agency to people who are local That is also 124 00:16:55.240 --> 00:16:59.200 important by you and then the 3rd one that I would just say is the is the community 125 00:16:59.210 --> 00:17:01.380 connections it's like the community the values of like 126 00:17:01.460 --> 00:17:06.350 a communal miss you know and communal qualities and uplifting and serving as one 127 00:17:06.360 --> 00:17:10.480 thing that I think this is underscored. That we just need to be just continue to 128 00:17:10.490 --> 00:17:14.110 lift up is that these are very important places for people to gather to make 129 00:17:14.150 --> 00:17:20.010 connections and there are very important social and cultural connections. So for us 130 00:17:20.020 --> 00:17:24.280 in public knowledge you know we start with the mission of promoting free expression 131 00:17:24.320 --> 00:17:29.920 and for glasses cations technology but we find that that stretches 132 00:17:29.930 --> 00:17:34.990 a lot of media from you know long time media like supporting low power F.M. 133 00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:41.950 Radio. Promoting values localism also making sure that folks 134 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:48.770 who can gain access to local content we also you know expand that into the 135 00:17:48.810 --> 00:17:50.110 broadband digital age so we do 136 00:17:50.120 --> 00:17:56.720 a lot of work around promoting competition. So that there are options for consumers 137 00:17:56.730 --> 00:18:03.720 is choices for consumers to lower the barriers to get their content and 138 00:18:03.730 --> 00:18:08.350 their creative works out there and that brings us into all sorts of copyright 139 00:18:08.360 --> 00:18:15.230 policy but also issues of promoting platforms that support video online 140 00:18:15.320 --> 00:18:19.690 so that small independent minority creators can have 141 00:18:19.700 --> 00:18:26.460 a chance to to distribute their work. The glitz Patrick I'm with free press 142 00:18:26.500 --> 00:18:32.450 and where your national national facing organization but like Chris you're 143 00:18:32.460 --> 00:18:34.100 mentioning we do 144 00:18:34.110 --> 00:18:38.600 a lot of media reform and media democracy work and that touch of the one of our 145 00:18:38.610 --> 00:18:43.950 biggest issues is not neutrality but we also do have the arse I have our work with 146 00:18:43.960 --> 00:18:50.360 news voices which is essentially connecting activists and newsrooms and getting 147 00:18:50.370 --> 00:18:54.790 that actually have these conversations and sort of grapple with issues for instance 148 00:18:54.800 --> 00:18:58.940 like racial bias in the news rooms in North Carolina so wealthy have 149 00:18:58.950 --> 00:19:04.300 a pride an offshoot of that is in New Jersey we got some state legislation path 150 00:19:04.310 --> 00:19:11.290 where we were able to redirect. Broadcast. Action proceeds that word for public 151 00:19:11.700 --> 00:19:16.340 broadcasting stations and have some of that money actually be redirected and fund 152 00:19:16.350 --> 00:19:20.470 local journalism so we're also standing up some work we have 153 00:19:20.480 --> 00:19:26.900 a platform for 2020 it's right to connect 2020 dot com. 154 00:19:28.550 --> 00:19:33.820 An essential I think where we're examining scaling that up nationally so one of 155 00:19:33.830 --> 00:19:36.250 things that we do is we work a lot at the F.C.C. 156 00:19:36.920 --> 00:19:43.360 Keeping all the regulatory shenanigans especially And we're also. On the Hill 157 00:19:43.370 --> 00:19:44.150 a lot so 158 00:19:44.160 --> 00:19:49.410 a lot of our work is national facing I would say new voices sort of journalism work 159 00:19:49.420 --> 00:19:55.060 is much more local policing but happy to talk more about. That. 160 00:19:57.550 --> 00:20:01.970 So if each of these a coalition has been around for almost 20 years now where 161 00:20:02.010 --> 00:20:05.120 a grassroots nonprofit based in D.C. 162 00:20:05.130 --> 00:20:09.410 Representing musicians and songwriters and composers and making sure that they have 163 00:20:09.450 --> 00:20:13.570 a voice in the policy and Pat issues that impact their lives and their livelihoods 164 00:20:14.360 --> 00:20:14.930 so that covers 165 00:20:14.940 --> 00:20:19.770 a lot of ground but the connections to the community media I think are really 166 00:20:19.780 --> 00:20:26.410 important because local music communities rely on healthy local media ecosystems 167 00:20:26.420 --> 00:20:32.010 especially in an environment where we see so much consolidation and centralization 168 00:20:32.020 --> 00:20:38.210 and in media and we lose what's been lost in that is the localism the 169 00:20:38.250 --> 00:20:45.120 diversity the platforms her diversity of expression so so musicians of all 170 00:20:45.390 --> 00:20:50.950 John rose and all career paths have opportunities both to express themselves and to 171 00:20:50.960 --> 00:20:51.100 earn 172 00:20:51.110 --> 00:20:58.590 a living but to elevate the issues of them poured into their local communities and 173 00:20:58.590 --> 00:21:03.940 . Tell tell the stories and sing the songs of the communities that they come from 174 00:21:03.950 --> 00:21:07.860 and share them with the world so in the context of the F.C.C. 175 00:21:07.870 --> 00:21:13.050 You know. We've worked hard as part of the broad coalition in support of low power 176 00:21:13.060 --> 00:21:15.950 F.M. And expanded opportunities for low power F.M. 177 00:21:16.260 --> 00:21:23.030 Right now we're especially concerned about. The latest quadrennial review the local 178 00:21:23.070 --> 00:21:29.260 which includes provisions that would. Dramatically change the local ownership rules 179 00:21:29.570 --> 00:21:36.250 and allow precedented consolidation of power in radio so fewer and fewer are 180 00:21:36.800 --> 00:21:43.700 cuter and hooter companies own more of the of broadcast style we 181 00:21:43.710 --> 00:21:48.210 want to see what we want to see diversity and radio we want to see diversity and we 182 00:21:48.220 --> 00:21:55.190 want to see true. Localism. High again my 183 00:21:55.200 --> 00:21:59.180 name's Aaron Shields and I work for Media Justice which is formally the Center for 184 00:21:59.190 --> 00:22:02.540 Media Justice. Media Justice is 185 00:22:02.550 --> 00:22:06.900 a national organizing an advocacy have that fight for the digital rights of poor 186 00:22:06.910 --> 00:22:12.530 people and people of color across the country. We also are the host of 187 00:22:12.540 --> 00:22:19.330 a national network that has little over 100 community groups that focus on anything 188 00:22:19.340 --> 00:22:21.220 from community T.V. 189 00:22:21.230 --> 00:22:27.780 And radio to think tanks to organizations that are doing frontline organizing and 190 00:22:27.790 --> 00:22:31.090 I'm really excited to be able to participate in this conversation today 191 00:22:32.010 --> 00:22:37.390 a lot of people may not know that. The media justice the roots of media justice 192 00:22:37.400 --> 00:22:43.800 come out of. The US media council in Oakland so our 193 00:22:43.810 --> 00:22:50.430 founder and outgoing executive director Mark Hughes Carol was working in organizing 194 00:22:50.440 --> 00:22:54.160 with young youth black and brown youth in the Bay Area to fight back against 195 00:22:54.170 --> 00:22:59.590 harmful stereotypes that were being portrayed on local news there they found that 196 00:23:00.440 --> 00:23:05.950 the alleged crimes of black and brown youth were being over shared over indexed on 197 00:23:05.960 --> 00:23:10.870 local radio or not radio but. Local well possibly radio as well but local 198 00:23:10.880 --> 00:23:12.560 television stations and so they did 199 00:23:12.570 --> 00:23:17.730 a lot of cultural and actual organizing to push back against those stereotypes that 200 00:23:17.740 --> 00:23:21.440 are being pushed out that already pushed out by you know corporate media and so 201 00:23:21.620 --> 00:23:26.570 conversations like this are incredibly important to media just this I think 202 00:23:27.510 --> 00:23:34.030 obviously since then we've expanded into focusing more on the digital realm as well 203 00:23:34.040 --> 00:23:39.010 so. We like to say you know much like how T.V. 204 00:23:39.020 --> 00:23:39.700 And radio was 205 00:23:39.710 --> 00:23:43.150 a huge driver for the civil rights movement and getting the message out we see the 206 00:23:43.160 --> 00:23:48.110 Internet as that for this current iteration of the freedom struggle and so it's 207 00:23:48.120 --> 00:23:51.720 really important to us like when I think the question was like Who are our people 208 00:23:51.730 --> 00:23:55.000 that's how I think of it like Who are we representing we work with 209 00:23:55.010 --> 00:24:00.540 a lot of activists organizers people who are living on low incomes who are fighting 210 00:24:00.550 --> 00:24:00.990 to have 211 00:24:01.000 --> 00:24:07.740 a voice I hate the phrase like you know voiceless people are you know truth presuming 212 00:24:07.750 --> 00:24:08.460 that people don't have 213 00:24:08.470 --> 00:24:13.440 a voice it's really you know who you hand the microphone to who has the opportunity 214 00:24:13.450 --> 00:24:19.970 to share their message and to share it. On manipulated by 215 00:24:20.850 --> 00:24:22.940 corporate or other sort of in 216 00:24:22.950 --> 00:24:27.780 a tease that have different interests and it's particularly important to me because 217 00:24:27.790 --> 00:24:30.850 I just moved to Baltimore but prior to that I lived in D.C. 218 00:24:30.860 --> 00:24:35.660 For 10 years and was organizing locally here and oftentimes when we were doing 219 00:24:35.700 --> 00:24:41.700 actions or canvassing or trying to share our message it was the the local 220 00:24:42.370 --> 00:24:48.261 press that was covering it wasn't you know sort of the larger. Press or maybe it 221 00:24:48.271 --> 00:24:54.541 was always you know the neighborhood based media the folks who were you know had 222 00:24:55.131 --> 00:25:00.531 a small operation and radio stations that were doing pod casts the smaller 223 00:25:01.511 --> 00:25:08.311 newspapers or now it's more so online and so it's incredibly important to us to be 224 00:25:08.501 --> 00:25:11.261 you know having this conversation with folks that's 225 00:25:11.271 --> 00:25:16.301 a great point Erin and I love the way you phrase it is and. Voiceless folks in our 226 00:25:16.311 --> 00:25:22.401 various news cross country but it is important that. Regulatory policy and other 227 00:25:22.411 --> 00:25:29.391 laws are not eroding right their ability. To be empowered and to to make their 228 00:25:29.401 --> 00:25:34.851 voices heard and so that's why we have this discussion today I'd love it if folks 229 00:25:34.861 --> 00:25:39.011 would jump in and you know just talk about some of the key issues that you're 230 00:25:39.021 --> 00:25:44.941 working on. And how you see the threat of erosion and 231 00:25:45.731 --> 00:25:52.581 to local voices in the power that we you know and when you talked about when we 232 00:25:52.591 --> 00:25:55.041 kicked off the decision at the F.C.C. 233 00:25:55.051 --> 00:26:00.781 Today that's one but but there may be others in the suite of working issues that 234 00:26:00.891 --> 00:26:07.221 you guys are working. And you want to get. Some credit I'm right in there with 235 00:26:07.231 --> 00:26:07.931 Everyone's I think 236 00:26:08.871 --> 00:26:12.881 a big one for us and I'm sure I mean this is like one of the bigger issues and 237 00:26:12.891 --> 00:26:18.801 folks watching have probably heard about it but. The roll back of that neutrality 238 00:26:18.811 --> 00:26:22.901 rules and so like I said earlier my a specific focus so I'm 239 00:26:22.911 --> 00:26:26.411 a national field organizer but I work specifically on internet rights and so the 240 00:26:26.421 --> 00:26:28.761 repeal of net neutrality order was 241 00:26:28.771 --> 00:26:34.661 a huge blow to us because we see I mean without the you know free expression online 242 00:26:34.701 --> 00:26:40.821 and manipulated by I asked P.C.'s and other entities we don't have the black lives 243 00:26:40.831 --> 00:26:41.061 not 244 00:26:41.071 --> 00:26:45.161 a movement where we're citizen journalists are able to go into their own communities 245 00:26:45.201 --> 00:26:51.061 and stream what is. Binning we don't have we don't know what's happening at da 246 00:26:51.071 --> 00:26:51.701 P.-L. 247 00:26:51.711 --> 00:26:56.771 We don't know we may be not we might not have seen the explosion of the need to 248 00:26:56.781 --> 00:27:02.031 movement or seeing what has been happening at the border and so it's incredibly 249 00:27:02.041 --> 00:27:08.491 important for us to be pushing back on those attempts to shift power 250 00:27:08.501 --> 00:27:11.941 from community to a corporations and so that's a been 251 00:27:11.951 --> 00:27:17.931 a really big one for us in terms of regulatory like I'm relatively new votes in 252 00:27:17.941 --> 00:27:24.741 about almost 2 years now working in the space and I wasn't aware of the immense 253 00:27:24.751 --> 00:27:25.931 power that the F.C.C. 254 00:27:25.941 --> 00:27:31.631 Had over these issues and so I think that that's something. That everyday people 255 00:27:31.641 --> 00:27:35.591 can sort of relate to like this entity that's like semi-independent it has all of 256 00:27:35.601 --> 00:27:41.401 this power over these particular things and so I definitely wherever I go I to lift 257 00:27:41.411 --> 00:27:47.141 up the. Rollbacks so that essential right which we call our digital civil rights of 258 00:27:47.151 --> 00:27:53.891 nitrile to. Build on that this is kind of the cool reason my organization exists is 259 00:27:53.901 --> 00:27:58.091 fighting back against the state and federal reach and I think you phrased it really 260 00:27:58.101 --> 00:27:59.111 well that it's sort of 261 00:27:59.121 --> 00:28:04.951 a ground power only for you who's receiving this not just on this issue we're 262 00:28:04.961 --> 00:28:10.431 seeing his account every issue. Of the litigation over her rights and my manager 263 00:28:10.441 --> 00:28:14.371 and small cell facilities deployment which sounds really want they're not in that 264 00:28:14.381 --> 00:28:16.801 Lee comes down to the the F.C.C. 265 00:28:16.811 --> 00:28:21.261 You can do in the public property over to these private companies in exchange for 266 00:28:21.271 --> 00:28:26.161 nothing in exchange for new promises in exchange for no money and we're seeing this 267 00:28:26.211 --> 00:28:31.101 across so many issues at the same federal level we believe been doing research on 268 00:28:31.111 --> 00:28:36.671 state laws and receiving more and more states saying OK well we think that local 269 00:28:36.681 --> 00:28:43.001 governments are destroying into the ocean and stopping economic growth and so we're 270 00:28:43.011 --> 00:28:49.371 deciding not to regulate things like right or minimum. Wage or delivery service is 271 00:28:49.411 --> 00:28:53.141 one or any of these other quality of life or public property issues and we're not 272 00:28:53.151 --> 00:28:59.391 going to let you regulate them. And I think the problem with this issue in 273 00:28:59.401 --> 00:29:01.271 particular is that because the F.C.C. 274 00:29:01.281 --> 00:29:07.531 Is this any independent Egypt they have the ability to move much faster and with 275 00:29:07.661 --> 00:29:11.041 much more single mindedness than almost any other agency and certainly more than 276 00:29:11.051 --> 00:29:12.481 Congress so they have been able to do 277 00:29:12.491 --> 00:29:16.641 a lot of damage in this administration with very little pushback and you know 278 00:29:16.651 --> 00:29:20.421 German High has said as much as he doesn't care and I think that the majority of 279 00:29:20.431 --> 00:29:24.011 comments in the dock where people opposing views were that it's not 280 00:29:24.021 --> 00:29:28.331 a democracy but he doesn't think that these arguments have merit and that's 281 00:29:28.341 --> 00:29:32.871 something that we have to push back against him but our view which we've seen 282 00:29:32.881 --> 00:29:39.311 a pattern here whether it's today's cable franchise decision. The facility 283 00:29:39.841 --> 00:29:44.451 citing issues that you're talking about in Julian. And even in the net neutrality 284 00:29:44.461 --> 00:29:48.991 case that they're brought up in all 3 of those we've seen the F.C.C. 285 00:29:49.211 --> 00:29:55.961 Decided to try to preempt decisions made at the local level by officials who are 286 00:29:55.971 --> 00:30:01.821 closer to the ground. Everyday people and trying to make decisions based on what's 287 00:30:01.831 --> 00:30:08.031 best for their community. And I know the net neutrality case you know that's being 288 00:30:08.041 --> 00:30:13.411 challenged by States introducing state legislation saying you know it's there so 289 00:30:13.421 --> 00:30:18.061 you gave away their authority over them how do you have the right to then preempt 290 00:30:18.231 --> 00:30:22.841 local communities from doing something about wells and we won't read it yet so it's 291 00:30:22.851 --> 00:30:23.051 just 292 00:30:23.061 --> 00:30:27.071 a we're just sure but they're doing it on all 3 of those issues front of other folks 293 00:30:27.081 --> 00:30:28.821 are seeing that you know 294 00:30:29.261 --> 00:30:34.331 a lot of these issues have long histories and and like when I think about radio 295 00:30:34.341 --> 00:30:39.431 consolidation I go back to the 1986 Telecommunications Act which paved the way for 296 00:30:39.811 --> 00:30:45.891 large broadcast companies to acquire more and more stations and essentially fire 297 00:30:45.901 --> 00:30:50.611 all the local. Deejays replace them with robots and then play very similar play 298 00:30:50.621 --> 00:30:52.941 lists in every city across the country this isn't 299 00:30:52.951 --> 00:30:54.851 a new problem we've experienced it for 300 00:30:54.861 --> 00:30:59.511 a while we you know people barely remember the days where you could go to your 301 00:30:59.551 --> 00:31:03.851 local commercial radio station with your new recording and ask if they want to play 302 00:31:03.861 --> 00:31:08.861 it on the air now the music director may not even be in town but there's something 303 00:31:08.871 --> 00:31:11.791 new happening right now with this at c c there's that there's 304 00:31:11.801 --> 00:31:16.931 a unique moment happening where it seems like across the board across industries 305 00:31:17.451 --> 00:31:17.941 there's 306 00:31:17.951 --> 00:31:25.231 a willingness to entertain. The biggest industry players most wild 307 00:31:25.241 --> 00:31:31.041 ideas of like of what of everything that would be on their wishlist now when we're 308 00:31:31.051 --> 00:31:35.051 talking about radio consolidation we're talking about this radical proposal from 309 00:31:35.061 --> 00:31:38.081 the National Association of Broadcasters that would allow 310 00:31:38.551 --> 00:31:45.081 a single company to potentially own every radio station in all but the top 7075 311 00:31:45.091 --> 00:31:51.851 markets. That's unprecedented you know even within issue with this long 312 00:31:52.131 --> 00:31:56.571 history of Can things really get this bad how much worse can it get. This was 313 00:31:56.581 --> 00:32:03.331 shocking to me. In that same light what that leads to I as the 314 00:32:03.391 --> 00:32:09.051 communications turned and finding is that. The F.C.C. 315 00:32:10.051 --> 00:32:16.901 Of late. Even. When it has an idea that it wants to 316 00:32:16.911 --> 00:32:19.351 pursue and even when there is 317 00:32:19.361 --> 00:32:24.851 a statute that might hinder that idea often do it later and it's almost this 318 00:32:24.891 --> 00:32:30.590 adaptation of the Silicon Valley ethic. That it's 319 00:32:30.600 --> 00:32:36.380 a lot easier to ask forgiveness later than to ask for permission in the 1st place 320 00:32:36.870 --> 00:32:43.520 and that may be falling for an entrepreneur or for an innovator when they're 321 00:32:43.530 --> 00:32:49.510 trying to shake up an establishment that is perhaps hindering innovation 322 00:32:50.220 --> 00:32:50.740 but 323 00:32:51.400 --> 00:32:56.400 a government agency by its very nature and this gets to the rule of law question. 324 00:32:57.590 --> 00:33:03.770 Really needs to hew very carefully. To the authorizations it 325 00:33:03.780 --> 00:33:10.480 has by statute I mean Congress creates certain ways of doing things and if Congress 326 00:33:10.490 --> 00:33:14.430 doesn't change it. The F.C.C. 327 00:33:14.470 --> 00:33:19.770 Cannot necessarily do an end around because there is quote unquote 328 00:33:19.810 --> 00:33:24.480 a consensus I'll give you an example that I'm working on that's very important for 329 00:33:24.490 --> 00:33:25.560 low power F.M. 330 00:33:25.570 --> 00:33:29.550 Is right now and that is how do you in 331 00:33:29.560 --> 00:33:36.350 a time of unprecedented demand for spectrum. Cut out full 332 00:33:36.360 --> 00:33:40.920 little tiny bits of spectrum particularly in the most crowded places where there's 333 00:33:40.930 --> 00:33:41.980 very little F.M. 334 00:33:41.990 --> 00:33:48.742 Live. And how do you make it how do you. Make it possible 335 00:33:48.752 --> 00:33:55.242 for localism as well as other uses and most 336 00:33:55.252 --> 00:33:57.132 recently the L.P.F. 337 00:33:57.142 --> 00:34:03.161 And coalition has. Filed for reconsideration of an order from the F.C.C. 338 00:34:03.171 --> 00:34:10.051 That essentially takes away the rights of individual listeners because they live 339 00:34:10.091 --> 00:34:14.911 in large buildings which basically means the most crowded places in the country 340 00:34:14.921 --> 00:34:20.051 where there's not enough spectrum and you really need that police function just 341 00:34:20.061 --> 00:34:25.641 taken away and now we are trying to challenge this rule that makes it impossible 342 00:34:25.651 --> 00:34:30.981 for anybody but the 1st person who complains to have their complaint about 343 00:34:30.991 --> 00:34:36.041 interference from one of these news stations one of these which are often repeating 344 00:34:36.051 --> 00:34:40.711 what's on an existing station they're called translators which is F.C.C. 345 00:34:40.721 --> 00:34:41.241 Talk for 346 00:34:41.251 --> 00:34:47.651 a repeater repeater is what we'll call it and. You only get one shot so you have 347 00:34:47.661 --> 00:34:51.641 a huge building I mean talk about there's the Donald Trump building on the side not 348 00:34:51.651 --> 00:34:55.211 the one he lives on that the one of or by the United Nations it's like 349 00:34:55.221 --> 00:35:00.351 a quarter mile from the from the ground floor somebody us like the 2nd floor 350 00:35:00.361 --> 00:35:05.184 apartment in the front so the person in the penthouse in the back so that affects 351 00:35:05.194 --> 00:35:09.164 rich people OK Understood but the same thing in 352 00:35:09.174 --> 00:35:15.764 a public housing project we talk about for instance disenfranchising Let's say you 353 00:35:15.774 --> 00:35:17.194 have a low power F.M. 354 00:35:17.204 --> 00:35:20.014 That's focused on a linguistic minority or 355 00:35:20.024 --> 00:35:24.996 a cultural minority. And there's 356 00:35:25.006 --> 00:35:28.446 a large number of their listeners that may live in say 357 00:35:28.486 --> 00:35:34.106 a 3 building public housing project Well guess what the F.C.C. 358 00:35:34.116 --> 00:35:34.676 Imposes 359 00:35:34.686 --> 00:35:41.806 a threshold of 6. Complaints before they'll even entertain an interference 360 00:35:41.816 --> 00:35:46.116 problem there they get except that there's an interference problem possibly worth 361 00:35:46.126 --> 00:35:52.191 investigating and then if they happen to be. 2 tenths of 362 00:35:52.201 --> 00:35:56.671 a mile away from each other which for anybody who knows about broadcast engineering 363 00:35:56.681 --> 00:35:57.121 that's 364 00:35:57.401 --> 00:36:03.631 a big difference they say no it's the same address OK they treat it as if it were 365 00:36:03.641 --> 00:36:03.841 like 366 00:36:03.851 --> 00:36:08.481 a 2 family house where you know you have the up stairs and down stairs you might 367 00:36:08.491 --> 00:36:14.241 have an argument that maybe each of those That's one interference problem but you 368 00:36:14.251 --> 00:36:18.871 know this even applies people at work imagine how big the Pentagon is it's $28.00 369 00:36:19.611 --> 00:36:26.031 acres so somebody at one end of the Pentagon is $27.00 acres from somebody 370 00:36:26.511 --> 00:36:30.451 or end of the Pentagon and only the 1st person who works in the Pentagon and 371 00:36:30.461 --> 00:36:32.621 complains about not being able to hear 372 00:36:32.631 --> 00:36:37.971 a radio station will have their complaint heard this is really 373 00:36:38.011 --> 00:36:43.464 a problem you could almost call it disenfranchisement and it fits 374 00:36:43.474 --> 00:36:49.914 a pattern of attempts. That are increasing in general 375 00:36:50.474 --> 00:36:57.117 in our polity to disenfranchise certain interests at the 376 00:36:57.127 --> 00:37:02.237 expense of others it's no longer this marketplace of ideas fighting it out there is 377 00:37:02.247 --> 00:37:07.877 this sort of sense of disenfranchisement and to the people in the LP fm community 378 00:37:08.537 --> 00:37:11.337 you know that could break the station and need big barely 379 00:37:11.377 --> 00:37:18.241 a lot of the stations don't have much money and if. You can't reach the people 380 00:37:18.251 --> 00:37:24.381 that your voice reach would normally reach because of this interference and you 381 00:37:24.391 --> 00:37:29.211 can't complain about it what do you do and what are some of the good examples of 382 00:37:29.651 --> 00:37:35.861 you know when we have these interference issues or where. When smaller local media 383 00:37:35.871 --> 00:37:42.831 gets we go or. What do we lose well are there examples that you guys can do of 384 00:37:43.801 --> 00:37:49.471 programming or voices that you think people voted them well of if you want it from 385 00:37:49.481 --> 00:37:54.171 the O.P.'s family perspective right here or in the metro D.C. 386 00:37:54.211 --> 00:37:57.671 So if you're on the north side of town basically anywhere from 387 00:37:57.681 --> 00:38:01.891 a few blocks north of the White House up to anybody who knows the geography the 388 00:38:01.901 --> 00:38:08.291 Capital Beltway in the North Station in Tacoma Park that actually was praised by 389 00:38:08.301 --> 00:38:14.991 The Washington Post as the best radio station in town. Came out tops in the in one 390 00:38:15.001 --> 00:38:21.811 of the alternative weeklies reader polls for radio stations suddenly. This 391 00:38:22.501 --> 00:38:28.841 repeater station this translator pops on the air. And have and is 392 00:38:28.851 --> 00:38:34.091 interfering with it was ordered by the F.C.C. 393 00:38:34.411 --> 00:38:40.371 To scale back but suddenly pops on again and right now because there's 394 00:38:40.381 --> 00:38:46.731 a transition in the rules on this and so forth this particular station is causing 395 00:38:46.741 --> 00:38:48.901 interference perhaps 396 00:38:48.911 --> 00:38:55.161 a mile away from the station in Tacoma Park when LP F.M. 397 00:38:55.171 --> 00:39:01.901 Is expected to reach 2 to 5 miles and you have situations like this that of 398 00:39:02.281 --> 00:39:03.861 the one in around D.C. 399 00:39:03.871 --> 00:39:04.041 There are 400 00:39:04.051 --> 00:39:08.621 a lot of people who like this kind of station and they have an easier time than 401 00:39:08.631 --> 00:39:14.431 some in some in other kinds of situations in raising funds and you know they can 402 00:39:14.441 --> 00:39:20.490 fight these. But if you're talking about really volunteer driven community efforts 403 00:39:20.910 --> 00:39:26.710 often the voice of communities that don't get much air time and traditional 404 00:39:26.720 --> 00:39:33.600 broadcast media and yeah then obviously the web it's possible for the live stream 405 00:39:33.610 --> 00:39:36.750 to use Facebook but. You know there's 406 00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:43.341 a generational issue too and that. If you're talking about my 20 something year old 407 00:39:43.351 --> 00:39:49.941 son. He gets almost everything he gets off of his smartphone and listens to the 408 00:39:49.951 --> 00:39:52.551 radio maybe in the car when he doesn't want to listen to 409 00:39:52.561 --> 00:39:58.571 a podcast but if you're the older you get the more disenfranchised people become 410 00:39:58.651 --> 00:40:04.881 and the more the traditional mechanisms. Serve 411 00:40:05.381 --> 00:40:11.161 them and if they're not being served with what's local to them and what matters in 412 00:40:11.171 --> 00:40:17.871 their community this whole busy idea of localism. You people get hurt and 413 00:40:17.881 --> 00:40:21.891 people get disenfranchised It's just whether it's with 414 00:40:21.901 --> 00:40:26.691 a rule that says well we already got a complaint from you know from 415 00:40:26.701 --> 00:40:30.431 a quarter mile away from your high rise building the other end of your high rise 416 00:40:30.441 --> 00:40:35.351 building so we don't care what you have to say or just we don't care if you get 417 00:40:35.361 --> 00:40:41.091 programming that's meaningful to you because it's more effective. 418 00:40:42.321 --> 00:40:48.661 Or efficient to deliver only the same thing over and over someone does mention the 419 00:40:48.671 --> 00:40:54.811 words 6 squeeze some of it's misery I'm thinking of like pressure pushing and force 420 00:40:54.811 --> 00:41:00.101 . And this is you know disenfranchising me you're saying one of the issues that. 421 00:41:01.331 --> 00:41:05.781 The news there's several issues that people to pick community is concerned about 422 00:41:05.791 --> 00:41:10.591 but when somebody says squeeze I have to have to think about the channels on and on 423 00:41:10.601 --> 00:41:14.521 this is something which the channel slamming is basically when the cable operator 424 00:41:14.531 --> 00:41:18.711 decides they want to just relocate. A So you can have 425 00:41:18.721 --> 00:41:22.811 a channel operation that is that has been on channel $24.00 for like 20 years or 426 00:41:22.821 --> 00:41:25.861 whatever and then they just come in and they decide well we're going to put you at 427 00:41:25.871 --> 00:41:30.691 99 which is what happened when 8082 universe got rolled out and their logic was oh 428 00:41:30.991 --> 00:41:35.651 well anywhere you go you turn into 99 and you'll be able to see you know the local 429 00:41:35.761 --> 00:41:41.181 information and then that didn't pan out but it did it's free in. Doing this this 430 00:41:41.311 --> 00:41:45.991 is the legacy of people who know that where they they want to go in tune into that 431 00:41:46.001 --> 00:41:50.331 local information they've been watching it for for many years there are so many you 432 00:41:50.341 --> 00:41:55.811 know people who I think are discounted because they're the with this that the 433 00:41:55.821 --> 00:41:59.151 discourse the rhetoric now is like oh everybody is transitioning to digital 434 00:41:59.161 --> 00:42:03.171 platforms and they're getting you know they're getting their content on demand but 435 00:42:03.181 --> 00:42:03.741 there's still 436 00:42:03.751 --> 00:42:07.441 a large majority of people out there who are getting their information in 437 00:42:07.451 --> 00:42:12.691 particular local information via television watching cable you know you have seen 438 00:42:12.701 --> 00:42:17.391 you saw my home state of Florida met seniors you know save it for Mom you know 439 00:42:17.401 --> 00:42:20.921 they're watching and they've been watching those channels to like Will my mama talk 440 00:42:20.931 --> 00:42:24.821 about us she took watches the city channel that's how you watch the proceedings I 441 00:42:24.831 --> 00:42:30.431 counsel and instead government transparency is the issue and so when you put 442 00:42:30.491 --> 00:42:33.971 a channel always up into the nether regions then it's like it's harder for that 443 00:42:34.331 --> 00:42:38.561 them to find and to get that information sometimes it gets buried down into like 444 00:42:38.571 --> 00:42:43.581 menus you know and you have to find it so it's just yeah it's corporations wielding 445 00:42:43.591 --> 00:42:50.591 this is power and the other issue is. You know we do it so we had 446 00:42:50.601 --> 00:42:55.581 channel slamming we have we also have to talk about like not being on the program 447 00:42:55.591 --> 00:43:02.541 guide so the electronic program guide many municipalities they you know 448 00:43:02.551 --> 00:43:05.801 they go sheet where the the cable channel they're supposed to get 449 00:43:05.811 --> 00:43:10.741 a listing on the guy but now the issues that oh well it's change is no longer 450 00:43:10.941 --> 00:43:16.111 a little electronic programming guy it's an interactive program guide so different 451 00:43:16.121 --> 00:43:20.831 technology and we heard that before it's not cable it's broadband it's going to the 452 00:43:20.841 --> 00:43:24.631 ground for rights for you but we care regulating like there are we heard it all day 453 00:43:24.641 --> 00:43:29.791 today right but it's like all of us the whole of broadband pics of us yeah oh yeah 454 00:43:29.801 --> 00:43:32.451 you think No they've looked at it just forget about it and all of 455 00:43:32.461 --> 00:43:35.841 a sudden I was roaming the halls up who said oh well you know you can't do that you 456 00:43:35.851 --> 00:43:39.201 can't do that look at your own Lawless you know in terms of how you're regulating 457 00:43:39.211 --> 00:43:43.841 things of the looked. But yet though it would be getting on to the programming 458 00:43:43.851 --> 00:43:46.001 guide having access to H.D. 459 00:43:46.011 --> 00:43:50.841 Channels that's another 3rd issue that I want to raise here in that like there are 460 00:43:50.851 --> 00:43:55.651 many in the research that I've been doing there are like local operations that are 461 00:43:55.661 --> 00:43:59.081 just simply told flat out like not just forget about you can't you're not getting 462 00:43:59.091 --> 00:44:01.921 on the guy can't do the and you can't you know getting 463 00:44:01.931 --> 00:44:08.731 a chance and you have the majority of the operations like 4000 people energy 464 00:44:09.091 --> 00:44:12.821 operations throughout this country that are they have H.D. 465 00:44:12.831 --> 00:44:15.651 Equipment just that what we see right here they've got the H.D. 466 00:44:15.661 --> 00:44:20.131 Playback that they're like they're up to par right and but do you have 467 00:44:20.141 --> 00:44:23.781 a lot of places where they're having to not heard this used for in the pagan 468 00:44:23.791 --> 00:44:28.031 history the term of the being dumbed down would be squeezed down in terms of your 469 00:44:28.041 --> 00:44:31.041 the quality of what you're putting out is all H.D. 470 00:44:31.081 --> 00:44:33.851 Is top notch but then oh you only got the S.D. 471 00:44:34.321 --> 00:44:37.041 Jam Do you know I mean you know you've been 472 00:44:37.211 --> 00:44:41.401 a just thinking of the fact that you and your team of free press have been working 473 00:44:41.411 --> 00:44:48.291 on the New Jersey. Because you're fighting for local media to survive I mean other 474 00:44:48.301 --> 00:44:54.101 examples that you think of what would be lost. If you were not successful in trying 475 00:44:54.111 --> 00:44:58.721 to you know preserve an investment or create them just watch I'll probably switch 476 00:44:58.731 --> 00:45:03.901 and maybe OK We talk so we cover so many issues that one of the issues that I've 477 00:45:03.911 --> 00:45:10.011 been working on is. Trying to find hold people accountable for the crisis 478 00:45:10.411 --> 00:45:16.211 communications crisis and Puerto Rico after hurricane Oh yes per month. And you 479 00:45:16.221 --> 00:45:21.431 know I think when we started the work we were very new to it so I know that feeling 480 00:45:22.421 --> 00:45:27.171 and we didn't do any public safety sort of related. Work and the thing that was 481 00:45:27.181 --> 00:45:30.201 striking to me I think that spurred us into action was the F.C.C. 482 00:45:30.211 --> 00:45:34.641 Sort of refused to hold any real hearings in Puerto Rico and given that 483 00:45:34.651 --> 00:45:39.681 communications were so disrupted like you couldn't compete on Landline all the 484 00:45:39.691 --> 00:45:41.571 copper. It was down I mean it was 485 00:45:41.581 --> 00:45:47.951 a complete blackout so what I found was interesting is you saw these 486 00:45:48.231 --> 00:45:48.591 A.P. 487 00:45:48.601 --> 00:45:52.371 Reporters kind of just doing what the best they could they're getting on satellite 488 00:45:52.381 --> 00:45:56.441 phones they're like tracking people down just to tell these stories and just to 489 00:45:56.451 --> 00:46:02.041 a point that Aaron rains are there you know folks are invoice right like they're 490 00:46:02.861 --> 00:46:07.651 screaming these stories out there we need help with the help of our theme is not 491 00:46:07.661 --> 00:46:13.701 doing enough and and so that's when we that's when I for meets saw that connection 492 00:46:14.101 --> 00:46:18.051 and one of the we're probably in the early stages of this but you know the 493 00:46:18.651 --> 00:46:21.951 a lot of the stations haven't even opened you know that they saw their temporary 494 00:46:22.301 --> 00:46:28.993 suspension of service. And I think the 1st thing that we've been working on is sort 495 00:46:29.003 --> 00:46:33.643 of going and doing story circles and just asking people what was it like to be 496 00:46:33.653 --> 00:46:39.623 without communications and it's been documented some documented and you know the 497 00:46:39.633 --> 00:46:40.073 F.C.C. 498 00:46:40.083 --> 00:46:45.413 Has not done very much to follow up actually like engage with people in Puerto Rico 499 00:46:45.653 --> 00:46:51.403 I mean you know these are big broadcasters are represented by and maybe I mean cell 500 00:46:51.413 --> 00:46:57.113 phone companies and all of these low power stations I think. Internews was actually 501 00:46:57.123 --> 00:47:01.723 down there and they're like sitting. Writing stories with 502 00:47:01.733 --> 00:47:08.233 a generator power you know just trying to to to tell people stories and the most 503 00:47:08.243 --> 00:47:13.243 fascinating thing for me is recently with all of the people rising up against 504 00:47:13.253 --> 00:47:18.273 corruption in Puerto Rico was actually the butcher the Spanish of the Center for. 505 00:47:20.123 --> 00:47:24.623 Investigative journalism in Puerto Rico was actually the the source of that for 506 00:47:24.633 --> 00:47:31.283 a request where they secured the 900 pages of racist vile. Saajan 507 00:47:31.293 --> 00:47:37.760 istic Texaco Angel between the governor and his cronies so. You know 508 00:47:38.130 --> 00:47:41.970 it's giving an organization like that a platform and 509 00:47:41.980 --> 00:47:48.640 a voice and. Leads to big social changes and I think that's you know 510 00:47:48.870 --> 00:47:55.130 as words seeking greater. Raise equity in our work I think that's something that 511 00:47:56.110 --> 00:48:02.360 is very real to me. And I love. Using the example as. 512 00:48:04.180 --> 00:48:04.330 It's 513 00:48:04.340 --> 00:48:10.070 a great point but then close me you know I love you I was on my watch other you know 514 00:48:10.110 --> 00:48:16.270 online video over time. But. Local. Content. 515 00:48:17.490 --> 00:48:24.290 Emergency Communications. Simply just not being put out over You Tube or its or 516 00:48:24.330 --> 00:48:28.150 other streaming services right now and where else are people going to go if they 517 00:48:28.160 --> 00:48:34.390 can't find it but those traditional media sources of radio. And need told us. 518 00:48:36.030 --> 00:48:40.320 If they can't go there think it while we find it in people can get hurt in 519 00:48:40.790 --> 00:48:46.010 emergency situations and what's even more frustrating is you see this commission in 520 00:48:46.050 --> 00:48:51.230 pursuit of its techno libertarian paradise you know completely disconnected from 521 00:48:51.240 --> 00:48:56.980 reality. You know today 2 of the dissenting commissioners they raise the public 522 00:48:56.990 --> 00:48:57.730 safety aspect 523 00:48:57.740 --> 00:49:04.660 a lot of these. Stations right are broadcasting public safety information 524 00:49:04.670 --> 00:49:06.520 that Commissioner F.C.C. 525 00:49:06.530 --> 00:49:09.030 Commissioner Starks did raise you know he actually shared 526 00:49:09.040 --> 00:49:15.340 a couple stories of where it was very important for public safety reasons so. The 527 00:49:15.350 --> 00:49:16.900 only thing I heard from the F.C.C. 528 00:49:16.910 --> 00:49:23.120 Was again this ties in to 2 good points in your question from earlier but it's all 529 00:49:23.130 --> 00:49:27.450 broadband right over the top will save you know is the replacement and it will fix 530 00:49:27.460 --> 00:49:33.240 everything and it's. You know and that's the justification for these rules right 531 00:49:33.250 --> 00:49:36.300 like any regulation I've heard you know that was mentioned is 532 00:49:36.310 --> 00:49:41.400 a tax. Right and any tax would immediately mean that there's going to be less the 533 00:49:41.680 --> 00:49:47.220 deployment of broadband services and when my favored one of the things that the 534 00:49:47.720 --> 00:49:48.130 F.C.C. 535 00:49:48.880 --> 00:49:54.800 Commissioner Rosen will raise list but you're also you're not actually making requirements 536 00:49:54.810 --> 00:49:59.060 that you build out to rural places you're not meet doing setting the regulatory 537 00:49:59.590 --> 00:50:05.850 framework to actually make that you know tax turn into real capital and like 538 00:50:05.860 --> 00:50:10.811 infrastructure being built out so. So I got very frustrated with the rescuers about 539 00:50:10.821 --> 00:50:14.721 that too I was just going to all right well we was that was going to be overseeing 540 00:50:14.731 --> 00:50:18.311 the house that might like what's that what does that look like you know yes 541 00:50:18.321 --> 00:50:21.401 everybody celebrating like this this plan is going to generate all the research but 542 00:50:21.461 --> 00:50:26.011 where they go we're going to check it right you know visible 3 happened right well 543 00:50:26.021 --> 00:50:32.571 free market work done yet you know what I mean we do have someone here who works in 544 00:50:32.581 --> 00:50:35.721 the gutters and. The F.C.C. 545 00:50:35.981 --> 00:50:41.651 There is an independent agency but they are accountable to her work for 546 00:50:41.731 --> 00:50:47.501 compensation like oh your boss or or that you hear around the Capitol Hill when it 547 00:50:47.511 --> 00:50:54.091 comes to oversight you know. I mean I think it was not like 548 00:50:54.101 --> 00:50:59.441 that you know it's something that we've been experiencing and ministration why. 549 00:51:00.461 --> 00:51:07.271 That we're trying to follow. You know these agencies to 550 00:51:07.311 --> 00:51:11.731 account for the statutes that are already on the books making rational intent going 551 00:51:11.811 --> 00:51:16.391 through procreation. And fortunately some of that is in. 552 00:51:19.601 --> 00:51:25.621 For. Just the reality of the Senate is going to be in the minority as 553 00:51:25.631 --> 00:51:32.491 a Democrat you don't have as many levers to beautiful. Other 554 00:51:32.501 --> 00:51:39.491 than we will get louder as much as we can but. Some of these issues 555 00:51:40.081 --> 00:51:46.371 that drive talking about you need to be find that are experiencing harm now that 556 00:51:46.381 --> 00:51:51.751 are going to continue to experience harm in years to come is something that my boss 557 00:51:51.761 --> 00:51:58.441 and Murray is getting is trying to solve specifically and. That's kind of 558 00:51:58.851 --> 00:52:05.491 the nexus here in the media such as her. Work. So for 559 00:52:05.501 --> 00:52:11.461 her it was looking around. Well we look at regulatory changes that are shrinking 560 00:52:11.471 --> 00:52:17.621 the amount of resources that are going into some of these programs and hoping that 561 00:52:17.631 --> 00:52:24.381 the market forces are going to. Strange priorities and invest in the 562 00:52:24.501 --> 00:52:31.061 programs. You know Santa Maria was. Decided that we needed 563 00:52:31.071 --> 00:52:32.041 legislation to create 564 00:52:32.051 --> 00:52:38.881 a pot of money to give to states and local governments and local organizations. To 565 00:52:38.891 --> 00:52:44.711 be able to carry out fraud and adoption to Viddy. Which in Clue things that digital 566 00:52:44.721 --> 00:52:51.581 literacy making sure that people are going to have access. To. Get online and 567 00:52:51.591 --> 00:52:55.861 not feel that community meet for a long time hasn't been 568 00:52:55.951 --> 00:53:02.821 a leader and one being an identified with and to to be able to. Partner 569 00:53:02.831 --> 00:53:07.361 and build those coalitions that really have been most successful in matching needs 570 00:53:07.941 --> 00:53:13.581 with solutions and for too long we've let the black community as you know scrounge 571 00:53:13.901 --> 00:53:18.681 pennies from one of the questions to be able to let these programs out. There are 572 00:53:18.691 --> 00:53:24.121 agencies are cutting more funding. As we continue and so you know this is 573 00:53:24.131 --> 00:53:29.621 a values thing at the federal government and with actual capital while also leaving 574 00:53:29.631 --> 00:53:30.061 it to 575 00:53:30.631 --> 00:53:37.041 a very local control kind of handling these dollars and I know we don't know what 576 00:53:37.051 --> 00:53:41.781 is the one size fits all policy utilize the local groups tell us what they need it 577 00:53:41.961 --> 00:53:48.151 private resources best practice charity to help and so the bill is called the 578 00:53:48.241 --> 00:53:51.071 Digital Video is digital actually acts as 579 00:53:51.081 --> 00:53:57.611 a Latin 67 which was that house introduction soon but you know it's one of those 580 00:53:57.621 --> 00:54:00.441 things where we were talking in the policies there's 581 00:54:00.451 --> 00:54:06.751 a lot about the drugs and wrong about deployment and we've sent tens of billions of 582 00:54:06.761 --> 00:54:13.731 dollars. To Claudia. We all know that broader mapping issues are still not be 583 00:54:13.771 --> 00:54:20.731 able to get out. But this is for my boss you know she's she's very firmly believes 584 00:54:20.741 --> 00:54:24.421 it's hard to do this must be much good to spend all this money on roads and 585 00:54:24.431 --> 00:54:30.241 highways people don't have access to cars to drive to the city so how do we make 586 00:54:30.251 --> 00:54:33.661 sure that we're doing these things and not just throwing 587 00:54:33.671 --> 00:54:38.951 a ton of money. Without thinking of some of the broader implications whether it's 588 00:54:38.961 --> 00:54:44.321 Health Education Workforce Development or just civil. Aviation. 589 00:54:46.951 --> 00:54:51.591 But we hope folks will look up the bill and contact them thanks for the know we 590 00:54:51.601 --> 00:54:57.961 support and I'm sure other groups here are the phone with pleasure and. The folks I 591 00:54:58.091 --> 00:55:05.071 know you guys are leaving. I guess good we're in one of the next you know 592 00:55:05.741 --> 00:55:10.051 artists who have pointed out some of the things that they're working on their 593 00:55:10.061 --> 00:55:16.831 office are there other solutions but what does the group think it will take to load 594 00:55:16.841 --> 00:55:20.751 down oh this is a rosary and oh of 595 00:55:21.451 --> 00:55:28.121 a speech or potion of the power Oh look. We're. 596 00:55:29.631 --> 00:55:33.571 Organizing I mean yes OK so you're a busy organizer you get 597 00:55:34.471 --> 00:55:39.401 a little I'm sorry I yeah I think I was 598 00:55:39.411 --> 00:55:41.841 a further Douglas that said power concedes nothing without 599 00:55:41.851 --> 00:55:45.491 a demand and so one of the people that taught me 600 00:55:45.501 --> 00:55:50.751 a lot about organizing the name of Charlene Crothers she was the director of the 601 00:55:50.761 --> 00:55:51.071 Y.P. 602 00:55:51.081 --> 00:55:56.551 $100.00 modify that slightly and said Power concede nothing without organized demand 603 00:55:57.271 --> 00:56:02.211 and so it's important and not important meaning strong enough 604 00:56:02.221 --> 00:56:06.221 a word but critical you know for 605 00:56:07.061 --> 00:56:12.631 a for people. To you know one of the one of the foundational principles of 606 00:56:12.641 --> 00:56:18.151 organizing is to tear drop isolation to make sure the to to let people know that 607 00:56:18.161 --> 00:56:22.231 they're not alone and what's happening that they don't just have to you know go 608 00:56:22.241 --> 00:56:26.361 into that quiet you know night without fighting back and that there are other 609 00:56:26.371 --> 00:56:29.141 people that were both stand shoulder to shoulder with them to fight for these 610 00:56:29.151 --> 00:56:34.491 critical resources and I think having conversations like this and bringing 611 00:56:34.501 --> 00:56:37.931 conversations that may seem relatively Wankhede to 612 00:56:37.941 --> 00:56:44.051 a larger mass and in language that is accessible in language that is meaningful to 613 00:56:44.061 --> 00:56:50.651 communities can really get people invigorated about the issue I think intuitively 614 00:56:50.971 --> 00:56:55.231 communities understand how important local radio local T.V. 615 00:56:55.241 --> 00:57:02.051 Is to telling their stories I heard her talking about solutions and again another 616 00:57:02.061 --> 00:57:05.981 thing that Charlene always says is that you know incomplete stories generate 617 00:57:05.991 --> 00:57:10.681 incomplete solutions and so it's incredibly important when we're thinking about how 618 00:57:10.921 --> 00:57:16.711 local radio and how local television how citizen journalism journalists are able to 619 00:57:16.721 --> 00:57:21.491 tell stories that are often not heard or intentionally ignored because the speech 620 00:57:21.501 --> 00:57:28.211 is not popular. Often then insert in solutions or make solutions 621 00:57:28.221 --> 00:57:33.941 available that are able to help a larger group of people are able to provide a so 622 00:57:34.051 --> 00:57:40.281 a solution that. Is more comprehensive and is actually addressing the needs of the 623 00:57:40.291 --> 00:57:45.471 community versus some sort of outside and more corporate ties I don't know if 624 00:57:45.481 --> 00:57:45.631 that's 625 00:57:45.641 --> 00:57:54.130 a word but more corporate news or media you know agencies sort of. Sharing 626 00:57:54.140 --> 00:57:57.700 the perspectives that they find interesting that maybe not interesting or relative 627 00:57:57.950 --> 00:58:04.260 relevant to people that are actually in the communities and so. I mean I don't know 628 00:58:04.270 --> 00:58:08.830 what to say I'm biased because I am an organizer but I feel like you know is really 629 00:58:08.830 --> 00:58:14.290 . The foundation of us and it really just starts with talking to people like you 630 00:58:14.300 --> 00:58:20.391 know if I I say like you know you have an issue that you care about talk to 3 631 00:58:20.401 --> 00:58:23.291 people you know ask them what they think about 632 00:58:23.301 --> 00:58:28.231 a particular issue invite people over to dinner and by people over to lunch you 633 00:58:28.241 --> 00:58:28.881 know go out to 634 00:58:28.891 --> 00:58:32.361 a community center start talking with people about what's important to them 7 and 635 00:58:32.371 --> 00:58:36.431 you'll start to hear some things you probably know or some things maybe you don't 636 00:58:36.441 --> 00:58:40.071 know and then from there folks can start talking about what meaningful solutions 637 00:58:40.081 --> 00:58:43.971 would be for them actually versus a top down approach which often misses 638 00:58:43.981 --> 00:58:50.691 a lot of critical and important things you know there are no new justices with 639 00:58:50.781 --> 00:58:54.271 their back that close are you going to call you back then I don't buy media justice 640 00:58:54.281 --> 00:59:00.851 now and it is this network thing that you know I. Certainly hope should find out 641 00:59:00.861 --> 00:59:05.081 about how they connect with those chapters those affiliates who are there oh they 642 00:59:05.091 --> 00:59:09.781 were working guys and we were just talking about organizing for these other things 643 00:59:09.791 --> 00:59:16.700 we need to know there are other. Things organized. I mean I don't think 644 00:59:16.710 --> 00:59:23.330 it's an organized effort they are going. To help and care about this if they need 645 00:59:23.340 --> 00:59:23.630 to do 646 00:59:23.640 --> 00:59:30.370 a better job of making it. Clear I think. The net neutrality fight is 647 00:59:30.380 --> 00:59:34.190 a really good example actually because when we last to go to the F.C.C. 648 00:59:34.200 --> 00:59:39.130 We have a month. And it was under President to see that many people look at 649 00:59:39.140 --> 00:59:40.150 a technical F.E.C. 650 00:59:40.160 --> 00:59:46.580 Issue understand how it applied to their lives and commented after the record I 651 00:59:46.590 --> 00:59:47.860 feel like the F.E.C. 652 00:59:47.870 --> 00:59:52.600 Is deliberately set up to discourage citizen in need from us not just going. Out 653 00:59:52.820 --> 00:59:56.390 and to the extent that we can help people understand how the users want the 654 00:59:56.400 --> 01:00:02.890 sounding issues in their lives I think we can garner that kind of support and all 655 01:00:02.900 --> 01:00:07.010 of our organizations my organization work with local leaders and elected officials 656 01:00:07.010 --> 01:00:11.060 . Community Media stations and leaders here to I think we have 657 01:00:11.290 --> 01:00:16.960 a great platform but we're losing enough of. You know the headline about this good 658 01:00:16.970 --> 01:00:20.800 if you have to see today with all the how this is going to expand broadband access 659 01:00:20.810 --> 01:00:24.330 and we all know that that's not true and that's not what it was about but it's 660 01:00:24.340 --> 01:00:27.140 going to hurt. But I think we need to do 661 01:00:27.150 --> 01:00:32.830 a better job of making that. In and connected to organizing in messaging to put in 662 01:00:32.840 --> 01:00:36.990 education you know so educating and numb and I have to say that because my roots my 663 01:00:37.000 --> 01:00:37.510 D.N.A. 664 01:00:37.520 --> 01:00:44.500 Is my parents educators and it is you know thinking about how when we were doing 665 01:00:44.850 --> 01:00:48.940 you know training in the community that attach to organizing it was the message 666 01:00:48.950 --> 01:00:53.320 that we're you know how we translate these issues so that they yes they think we 667 01:00:53.330 --> 01:00:57.450 understand like how it impacts our daily lives and then the other people can in 668 01:00:57.460 --> 01:01:02.330 turn tell their friends tell the uncle the aunties and spread the word like listen 669 01:01:02.340 --> 01:01:07.300 you know this is this is how this is impacting us in the OK you know because we 670 01:01:07.310 --> 01:01:09.660 know that word of mouth is still used to there's 671 01:01:09.670 --> 01:01:13.420 a lot of value in Word of mouth you know and so we educate people you know they'll 672 01:01:13.430 --> 01:01:16.470 spread they're going to want to go naturally toe. The rest of the folks in the 673 01:01:16.480 --> 01:01:21.340 community because they want to put them on you know. And that's what I really think 674 01:01:21.350 --> 01:01:25.690 that in especially the you know my experience of working and you know public access 675 01:01:25.700 --> 01:01:30.810 media people want to learn like people come today you want to connect they want to 676 01:01:30.820 --> 01:01:34.130 hang out they want to be together they want to break bad but they also want to 677 01:01:34.140 --> 01:01:38.500 learn and I think that's something that we need to see to do yet to stimulate 678 01:01:38.510 --> 01:01:42.050 excite that more and to say you know this is about learning of how we talk about 679 01:01:42.060 --> 01:01:46.310 media literacy how these these powers that play you know this is this is not some 680 01:01:46.320 --> 01:01:47.890 wonky issue this has 681 01:01:47.900 --> 01:01:52.920 a you know it's impacting on life and then also the flip side of education and just 682 01:01:52.930 --> 01:01:54.450 my time being here in D.C. 683 01:01:54.730 --> 01:02:00.590 Is educating consistently educating legislators about the issues and I think in 684 01:02:00.600 --> 01:02:04.400 this case to this messaging you know as well too and it's like one of the messages 685 01:02:04.410 --> 01:02:08.450 that that we had with any votes in if we need to come in and work with some 686 01:02:08.460 --> 01:02:10.890 academics and with numbers to come in there that's making 687 01:02:10.900 --> 01:02:14.770 a difference what is that empirical data that we need to come to the door with that 688 01:02:14.780 --> 01:02:19.380 that really kind of like can connect all of this you know and drive home and seen 689 01:02:19.390 --> 01:02:22.900 the way that OK we can now use this to like actually effect some change on 690 01:02:22.910 --> 01:02:28.921 a policy level and that's an interesting point partly make I'd like to come back to 691 01:02:28.931 --> 01:02:34.041 you on that one of the things that seems particularly difficult there was 692 01:02:34.051 --> 01:02:37.410 a time. When we didn't have 693 01:02:38.200 --> 01:02:42.660 a political environment that resembled a 694 01:02:43.110 --> 01:02:50.110 a reality show with lots of drama lots of moments but things are but 695 01:02:50.180 --> 01:02:55.960 but each of those moments tends to be disassociated from what came before or later 696 01:02:56.540 --> 01:03:03.500 so you have this just constant drama and fight which seems from point of view 697 01:03:03.510 --> 01:03:05.280 of me trying to represent 698 01:03:05.510 --> 01:03:12.410 a group of local radio people activists volunteer run stations 699 01:03:13.300 --> 01:03:17.440 making it hard to get the attention of our lawmakers even if they are the kind of 700 01:03:17.450 --> 01:03:24.321 people who really would care but they are just constantly having to 701 01:03:24.651 --> 01:03:30.921 deal with the drama of the dead even if it's baloney So how do you get through that 702 01:03:30.931 --> 01:03:37.181 and if attention of the people on the Hill for dealing with. You know what it what 703 01:03:37.401 --> 01:03:38.451 might sell was 704 01:03:38.461 --> 01:03:43.151 a good lead drama kind of like what Humphrey Bogart said you know in Casablanca you 705 01:03:43.161 --> 01:03:43.301 know 706 01:03:43.311 --> 01:03:48.201 a couple of people with their small problem the world is on fire so what do you do 707 01:03:48.201 --> 01:03:54.611 . I mean the answer for I think our legislators It's lucky to get on the same time 708 01:03:55.301 --> 01:03:58.411 we're constantly having to deal with a lot of 709 01:03:58.621 --> 01:04:04.541 a lot of issues but that's why you know you Alexa than me why taxpayers pay money 710 01:04:05.331 --> 01:04:12.081 and why we why we want to make sure that. You know we have these brawling federal 711 01:04:12.091 --> 01:04:18.061 government we need to be paying attention and acting oversight at all. And all 712 01:04:18.071 --> 01:04:24.501 agencies and so you know I think on all of these i just from that sense I want to 713 01:04:24.511 --> 01:04:29.801 make sure it's long reaching out to the members of Congress on both the House and 714 01:04:29.811 --> 01:04:35.461 Senate side and I think you know in the in this policy space there are some things 715 01:04:35.471 --> 01:04:42.331 that have started to get back. To shed some of that partisan wing where George 716 01:04:42.341 --> 01:04:46.721 feelings and right now with its war in its mapping zone everyone has come to the 717 01:04:46.731 --> 01:04:52.891 agreement we need to fix our minds. And you know maps that show 718 01:04:53.731 --> 01:04:56.521 where people have problems where people where they have broadband where they don't 719 01:04:56.531 --> 01:04:58.461 we have come to the agreement we can't get 720 01:04:58.471 --> 01:05:03.051 a solution plus we actually have good days that you would hope that we started at 721 01:05:03.061 --> 01:05:09.461 that point but we can there now. And so. On 722 01:05:09.471 --> 01:05:14.391 a lot of these I think that one actually hearing from people you know I think there 723 01:05:14.401 --> 01:05:15.211 is a there's 724 01:05:15.301 --> 01:05:21.241 a lot there's so much going on and numb yourself to it. But making sure that you 725 01:05:21.251 --> 01:05:25.791 actually are reaching out you would people are it seems like reaching out maybe as 726 01:05:25.801 --> 01:05:31.621 many times and there are awful things going on reaching out and and I think also 727 01:05:31.631 --> 01:05:32.201 finding 728 01:05:32.531 --> 01:05:39.431 a champion. For these issues. And there are plenty of Champions in both chambers 729 01:05:39.441 --> 01:05:46.431 from. Very different districts in very different states. But you know if you 730 01:05:46.441 --> 01:05:52.361 have persistent advocates persistent organizations and. You know. 731 01:05:53.531 --> 01:05:57.251 There are plenty of members who do want to engage and want to fight for what they 732 01:05:57.461 --> 01:06:01.601 want to fight for these communities and so just encouraging that that's 733 01:06:01.611 --> 01:06:07.561 storytelling that's right sharing with legislators. As well as just continued in 734 01:06:07.571 --> 01:06:12.971 Detroit and communication knowing that these kind of regulatory changes have had 735 01:06:13.041 --> 01:06:18.561 multiple steps and so taken that neutrality example you know you got 736 01:06:18.571 --> 01:06:23.781 a huge wave. And that gets that gets the members attention gets 737 01:06:23.791 --> 01:06:28.551 a lot of people's attention and that's that's that's right and the what's the form 738 01:06:28.561 --> 01:06:34.981 of though because we also know that. Legislative staff is sensitive to work in the 739 01:06:34.991 --> 01:06:37.951 old days was called Astroturf So the same post called 740 01:06:38.951 --> 01:06:43.571 a 1000 names that you can't even verify you actually sent it so what's the best 741 01:06:43.581 --> 01:06:49.611 form for you to get the attention of the legislative staff that overwhelmed not 742 01:06:49.621 --> 01:06:55.951 only with the daily dramas that are common today but are still trying to do the 743 01:06:55.961 --> 01:07:02.611 regular basic work letting go. And I think I can speak from from center 744 01:07:02.621 --> 01:07:03.991 Mary's Washington who's 745 01:07:04.881 --> 01:07:10.221 a Washington specific example but I would say the easiest thing is picking up the 746 01:07:10.231 --> 01:07:11.021 phone that is 747 01:07:11.031 --> 01:07:17.831 a very easy call to me to say whether or not you foreclose on you but also there 748 01:07:17.871 --> 01:07:20.431 are long lines. Just 749 01:07:20.691 --> 01:07:25.981 a website want people to send then for you to send them right letter but it's 750 01:07:25.991 --> 01:07:30.091 always important for legislators often hear from people in their districts in the 751 01:07:30.101 --> 01:07:36.421 states to look up to your congressman and or your senator. And. And here it really 752 01:07:36.431 --> 01:07:42.831 goes on a much longer way your contact person. Than a writer as well as 753 01:07:42.841 --> 01:07:47.281 a real quick so on that the Alliance for Community Media mobilized in opposition to 754 01:07:47.291 --> 01:07:53.101 this order that was voted on today. It's it's the local operations that had good 755 01:07:53.111 --> 01:07:56.951 relationships with legislators because you have to think you also do have to 756 01:07:56.961 --> 01:08:01.701 remember at some point the rise of a legislative career they've come through a T.V. 757 01:08:01.711 --> 01:08:04.771 Studio just like this you know Bernie Sanders even had his T.V. 758 01:08:04.891 --> 01:08:10.961 Up in Vermont yet a public access T.V. Show so that that's how the A.C.M. 759 01:08:10.971 --> 01:08:16.261 Was in you know many folks I even went to some some meetings with the white Evans 760 01:08:16.301 --> 01:08:22.661 and embroils office Scanlan's office was this local relationships you know and 761 01:08:22.671 --> 01:08:27.821 leveraging that and was able to we were able to get like 41 people letters in 762 01:08:27.831 --> 01:08:33.481 opposition to the order and also like 17 senators in opposition to the orders so 763 01:08:33.621 --> 01:08:37.541 Muslim Democrat you know but you know it we got to figure out how to get bar 764 01:08:37.611 --> 01:08:42.671 bipartisan I think is another big issue but still I would just want to share to 765 01:08:42.681 --> 01:08:47.811 this group that we all keep in mind that community radio and community access T.V. 766 01:08:47.821 --> 01:08:52.701 Operations they have folks who come through right you know and there are folks 767 01:08:52.711 --> 01:08:56.231 people that I've talked to that said oh yeah King it will cause i know soon I know 768 01:08:56.241 --> 01:09:01.061 such and such and just in the end people leverage those relationships with Marquis 769 01:09:01.071 --> 01:09:05.531 that's why you came out and he's the champion against this this order on that the 770 01:09:05.571 --> 01:09:06.081 that the F.C.C. 771 01:09:06.091 --> 01:09:10.001 Voted on that's great point because you know this doesn't have to be 772 01:09:10.011 --> 01:09:15.931 a partisan issue. Hartman story when you think story. 773 01:09:17.171 --> 01:09:24.161 From the actual news of poking fun for. We found in our advocacy you know that 774 01:09:24.201 --> 01:09:28.011 makes all the difference so your people reference somebody probably partner we have 775 01:09:28.021 --> 01:09:34.571 a bipartisan vote in the Senate to try to overturn to overturn the repeal 776 01:09:34.981 --> 01:09:40.310 of the. Try we will it was bipartisan because we had all been to voices from the 777 01:09:40.320 --> 01:09:45.390 community come and talk to both Democrat and Republican members and we heard from 778 01:09:45.400 --> 01:09:51.290 Stephanie that while the Republicans who voted to overturn that repeal you know 779 01:09:51.790 --> 01:09:58.310 from the last go or or Mean heard from their actual constituents really don't give 780 01:09:58.320 --> 01:10:03.550 in you know you you have example you have experience of of rowing authentic voices 781 01:10:04.230 --> 01:10:07.320 to speak up in unique words yeah I think this is a this is 782 01:10:07.330 --> 01:10:11.950 a moment where because everybody is dealing with so many crises. 783 01:10:15.103 --> 01:10:17.503 Everybody is kind of overextended and 784 01:10:17.913 --> 01:10:23.193 a knowledge in that it's important to look for ways to bring people on board that 785 01:10:23.203 --> 01:10:26.953 maybe it doesn't take as much capacity from them but can demonstrate the breadth of 786 01:10:26.963 --> 01:10:28.993 a coalition so we spend 787 01:10:29.003 --> 01:10:33.063 a lot of time looking for the point of connection between people doing public 788 01:10:33.073 --> 01:10:39.193 interest in the justice work and people working in the arts and culture both 789 01:10:39.453 --> 01:10:45.033 nominally for profit and nonprofit arts all the way up to you know we worked 790 01:10:45.113 --> 01:10:47.193 closely with the record labels 791 01:10:47.323 --> 01:10:53.973 a major in independent record labels in and along with the unions and along with 792 01:10:53.983 --> 01:10:59.343 the Grammys through with their body does it 1st in this radio consolidation issue 793 01:10:59.783 --> 01:11:04.783 and like looking for ways to bring diverse stakeholders that might not agree on 794 01:11:04.793 --> 01:11:10.763 other issues together and show the show the breadth of common ground I think even 795 01:11:10.993 --> 01:11:14.831 the community media especially. Should be 796 01:11:14.841 --> 01:11:19.001 a bipartisan issue because it affects everybody and regardless of what your 797 01:11:19.061 --> 01:11:26.001 particular point of view musically politically culturally might be the ability 798 01:11:26.011 --> 01:11:30.551 for your voice to be heard matters to everybody regardless of their perspective so 799 01:11:30.611 --> 01:11:35.151 we've only got about 5 minutes or so right you know we've got more time but we've 800 01:11:35.161 --> 01:11:42.011 got 15 of them already sorry I misunderstood the side so we have plenty of time I 801 01:11:42.021 --> 01:11:46.281 know for folks to ourselves what if we were on M.S.N. B.C. 802 01:11:46.291 --> 01:11:51.101 We would cut for commercial rather trade well but that's not how we're paying no 803 01:11:51.821 --> 01:11:55.691 not at all times let's not go to the break because we have it we have 804 01:11:55.701 --> 01:12:01.191 a great conversation going here I'd love for folks to cut away and with. You know 805 01:12:01.931 --> 01:12:02.751 if we're building 806 01:12:02.761 --> 01:12:07.831 a movement reserved for news you need to talk about radio or talk about hosiery and 807 01:12:08.801 --> 01:12:14.271 you know I even would love to include you know tutor looking for new music of I've 808 01:12:14.781 --> 01:12:19.301 been our work we've met folks doing community you ever talk to you know using 809 01:12:19.311 --> 01:12:25.611 community television studios to build over for if it's cutting edge all of that is 810 01:12:25.651 --> 01:12:32.511 this community media. What can we. What pieces do we have here and what pieces 811 01:12:32.561 --> 01:12:37.441 do we need in a coalition to further the. P.C. 812 01:12:37.451 --> 01:12:42.591 And Bunny and Sue like this can use the media networks like wireless networks with 813 01:12:42.601 --> 01:12:47.251 me infrastructure of the 100 stands for and I just was done with it is like there 814 01:12:47.261 --> 01:12:51.091 you see like the 8 actually they're like you know 815 01:12:51.311 --> 01:12:56.271 a network of Chattanooga Tennessee Can you write as their Robin was full of yeah so 816 01:12:56.691 --> 01:13:02.291 I think you know I'm used to Bing likes community like media like use that broadly 817 01:13:02.331 --> 01:13:06.871 that term broadly to is very important in putting in Gauge me journalism in there 818 01:13:06.941 --> 01:13:13.900 as well you know solutions journalism that so I just when I was good at. I 819 01:13:13.910 --> 01:13:19.020 don't want to know probably of all the issues that I've worked on outside of net 820 01:13:19.030 --> 01:13:24.640 neutrality this is been I think I come to it with humility now because when I 821 01:13:24.650 --> 01:13:29.630 started the ring through the elevator comments in the. F.C.C. 822 01:13:30.140 --> 01:13:34.640 Docket system and there were public 6000 comments I just sort of assumed people 823 01:13:34.650 --> 01:13:40.090 were throwing in one liners like I don't support this or this is garbage but I 824 01:13:40.100 --> 01:13:44.140 started reading you know you sort of read the big trade associations and the evil 825 01:13:44.150 --> 01:13:50.430 empire type of filings and and then all your friends and ally organization and at 826 01:13:50.440 --> 01:13:52.390 some point I just started just breeding 827 01:13:52.430 --> 01:13:56.430 a couple of the other ones from just regular folks all across the country not even 828 01:13:56.440 --> 01:13:58.950 people who were running the stations but just might have had 829 01:13:58.960 --> 01:14:01.400 a passing you know they got training and then that led to 830 01:14:01.410 --> 01:14:06.680 a job somewhere and I mean these were like some very moving stories as for raw 831 01:14:06.690 --> 01:14:11.910 material there's so much there like I said I was just 6000 people that shared you 832 01:14:11.920 --> 01:14:15.110 know shared their stories but I'm sure they were only represent 833 01:14:15.120 --> 01:14:19.710 a fraction of the people that are ready to go out there so you know I'm not an 834 01:14:19.720 --> 01:14:25.100 organizer but I would like to say that there's plenty of you know grist for the 835 01:14:25.110 --> 01:14:26.090 mill are that's 836 01:14:26.100 --> 01:14:30.880 a bad analogy of what you know there's plenty of raw material for us to sort of get 837 01:14:30.890 --> 01:14:35.040 together and work with those folks and I think that's the other part of it there 838 01:14:35.050 --> 01:14:40.860 are already very sophisticated highly educated you all highly sophisticated 839 01:14:40.870 --> 01:14:47.250 educated about the issue you know in kind contributions to me me 15 I'll admit it 840 01:14:47.260 --> 01:14:51.670 15 to 20 minutes to sit there and figure that understand it and like understand the 841 01:14:51.680 --> 01:14:54.390 issues and I'm sitting here reading them all these filings and again these are 842 01:14:54.400 --> 01:14:58.190 regular folks and they're all they get it and if they don't get the sort of nitty 843 01:14:58.200 --> 01:15:03.430 gritty they get the see the impact and they understand it and I think you know 844 01:15:03.470 --> 01:15:09.700 who's being affected by by these. This rule change it's it's not just the people 845 01:15:09.710 --> 01:15:13.810 that work at these places right the communities and if we. And 0 in on who's being 846 01:15:13.820 --> 01:15:17.940 affected and just make sure that we're not being extractive you know in like sort 847 01:15:17.950 --> 01:15:21.820 of you give give us your story so we can go and hit the hill but like right 848 01:15:22.080 --> 01:15:26.970 engaging right like educating that. Reaching out to them making sure that they can 849 01:15:26.980 --> 01:15:32.990 reach out to folks on the Hill on their own or you know we could be that vehicle be 850 01:15:33.000 --> 01:15:38.180 a vehicle to help them assist them one of things that we do with near justice quite 851 01:15:38.190 --> 01:15:43.840 often is bring people people from affected communities to the hill and if you want 852 01:15:43.850 --> 01:15:50.620 to talk more about that are you sure I mean yes so. One of the 853 01:15:50.630 --> 01:15:53.360 things that like I said Media Justice hosts 854 01:15:53.370 --> 01:15:59.690 a national network with over 100. A lot of them community and social 855 01:15:59.700 --> 01:16:05.130 organizations and a lot of those folks live in places that are not D.C. 856 01:16:05.880 --> 01:16:07.060 There are some folks in D.C. 857 01:16:07.070 --> 01:16:13.781 As well who would like to speak out but. One of the things that we love to do is to 858 01:16:14.241 --> 01:16:17.731 bring people from all across the country to D.C. 859 01:16:17.741 --> 01:16:23.041 To come speak directly with their legislator the person who has power in that 860 01:16:23.081 --> 01:16:29.661 particular situation to share stories. To talk with them about crafting 861 01:16:29.671 --> 01:16:35.451 stories about how to tell stories and compelling ways and also to use different 862 01:16:35.461 --> 01:16:41.121 types of media to tell stories and share their stories with their communities we've 863 01:16:41.131 --> 01:16:47.911 held a rally you just outside of the F.C.C. . Speak out so outside of the F.C.C. 864 01:16:48.771 --> 01:16:53.191 We've done direct actions on the whole we went caroling last it was that last year 865 01:16:53.231 --> 01:16:59.181 you might not hear earlier we changed the mode the words to things that are media 866 01:16:59.191 --> 01:17:03.521 specifically not in trial be focused but one thing that I was going to share also. 867 01:17:05.311 --> 01:17:11.841 Was. To bring in trusted leaders so people who are ready have established 868 01:17:12.701 --> 01:17:16.841 credibility in communities and one that I love to bring up because they're my 869 01:17:16.851 --> 01:17:23.341 favorite people ever are librarian Oh I love. Yes I love my theory and yes I'm 870 01:17:24.171 --> 01:17:28.611 in I live in Baltimore currently so that you know pride at the library system I 871 01:17:28.621 --> 01:17:35.491 love it so much and they know me they're not my local library but there is also 872 01:17:35.501 --> 01:17:39.131 librarians and libraries in general are some of the most turnt up people about like 873 01:17:39.561 --> 01:17:45.581 speech actions and it's digital inclusion and. I've seen reports of them also 874 01:17:45.591 --> 01:17:49.841 dipping into like social work because that's and it's all so connected these days 875 01:17:49.851 --> 01:17:53.491 and your ability to access services is so dependent on your ability to access the 876 01:17:53.501 --> 01:17:58.301 Internet and also have other you know types of infrastructure but other places like 877 01:17:58.311 --> 01:18:04.452 that like. Also religious institutions and I know of some 878 01:18:04.812 --> 01:18:08.792 churches and other religious institutions that have their own kind of it would be 879 01:18:08.802 --> 01:18:13.322 consider an internet service but they run digital inclusion programs as well and so 880 01:18:13.332 --> 01:18:18.620 I think it's like. Really. I don't even know if I can say that outside the box but 881 01:18:18.630 --> 01:18:24.190 just thinking in nontraditional ways about how to activate community members who 882 01:18:24.200 --> 01:18:27.720 are already organized in these other places so there's already people that are you 883 01:18:27.730 --> 01:18:30.090 know they go to the lot I'm one of those people that goes to 884 01:18:30.100 --> 01:18:34.390 a library you know at least once a week or people that are going to 885 01:18:34.400 --> 01:18:39.610 a church or synagogue or mosque or whatever it may be on particular days and really 886 01:18:39.620 --> 01:18:41.200 tap in there as well as 887 01:18:41.210 --> 01:18:46.170 a source of power and like you're saying not to be extractive about it it's power 888 01:18:46.180 --> 01:18:51.070 with not power over you and so you know you really want to be building those 889 01:18:51.080 --> 01:18:56.650 relationships authentically but I feel like it's not even that I feel like I know 890 01:18:56.660 --> 01:18:56.980 that that's 891 01:18:56.990 --> 01:19:02.160 a huge source of organizing power and can be utilized in situations like this as 892 01:19:02.170 --> 01:19:07.210 well and what are some of the best ways that we can build those relationships 893 01:19:07.220 --> 01:19:13.010 authentically without being. Especially when there's organizing going on local 894 01:19:13.020 --> 01:19:19.860 levels but we want to mess with people are raising which is across the IT HURTS 895 01:19:19.870 --> 01:19:26.490 colleagues in the Senate you're. Yeah I mean there is no easy answer for that it's 896 01:19:26.500 --> 01:19:30.960 really just being authentic which I think can be difficult sometimes for people who 897 01:19:30.970 --> 01:19:37.190 are in the Beltway. But like when I was doing housing Organizing For instance I 898 01:19:37.200 --> 01:19:38.950 organized locally here in D.C. 899 01:19:38.950 --> 01:19:43.540 . And I think I just want to say this it is so important for me to share that there 900 01:19:43.550 --> 01:19:44.610 are people in D.C. 901 01:19:44.620 --> 01:19:50.810 Who are not the government they just live in us he. Has no life yet the best 902 01:19:50.820 --> 01:19:54.710 friends would like 600000 people but just like you live here you need to be even 903 01:19:54.720 --> 01:19:59.240 suffer a government from home yeah exactly right the economy 904 01:19:59.250 --> 01:20:04.530 a lot of regular people yes I mean the government Yeah right they work for the city 905 01:20:04.540 --> 01:20:11.380 you know home. And dumb and so I was organizing some of those regular folks 906 01:20:11.420 --> 01:20:15.370 the people that were living in public housing and it's really just about showing up 907 01:20:15.380 --> 01:20:17.990 for people so like I had somebody who is a leader in 908 01:20:18.000 --> 01:20:23.840 a public housing space and she needed to move and so I was there with my car on 909 01:20:23.850 --> 01:20:24.250 like 910 01:20:24.290 --> 01:20:30.250 a Friday morning helping her move her stuff. And it's just building you know showing 911 01:20:30.260 --> 01:20:34.090 up to commute it's not just showing up when you're issue is the thing that's 912 01:20:34.100 --> 01:20:40.740 important but really. Leaning in and building genuine community with people 913 01:20:40.750 --> 01:20:45.820 also like going to meet your neighbors or create you can be as easy as starting to 914 01:20:45.830 --> 01:20:47.280 say hello to your neighbors I don't know if that's like 915 01:20:47.290 --> 01:20:51.960 a big thing these I say hello I'm like I'm very chatty with my neighbors all the 916 01:20:51.970 --> 01:20:57.070 time so. And and then asking them how they feel about 917 01:20:57.110 --> 01:21:02.440 a particular thing that they can't hear whatever. Programming that they maybe used 918 01:21:02.450 --> 01:21:03.320 to be able to hear 919 01:21:03.840 --> 01:21:08.150 a year ago or so in my case it was housing seeing eviction notices or seeing 920 01:21:09.030 --> 01:21:15.700 rezoning notices on doors or having. Like people who are like family members 921 01:21:16.340 --> 01:21:16.600 being 922 01:21:16.610 --> 01:21:20.900 a victim and or you know and I'm don't want to get too deep into housing but it can 923 01:21:20.910 --> 01:21:26.990 be devastating for. Older people during redevelopments be moved because you know 924 01:21:27.000 --> 01:21:30.100 you're losing your support system the person who goes to get your groceries is now 925 01:21:30.110 --> 01:21:33.880 somewhere else you're near people that don't necessarily care so well story short 926 01:21:33.930 --> 01:21:37.550 it's really just about being genuine authentic and not just showing up when it's 927 01:21:37.560 --> 01:21:44.162 your issue but. And then I also want to say that I think something 928 01:21:44.172 --> 01:21:48.242 particularly in this small moment that's important is not positioning your issue as 929 01:21:48.462 --> 01:21:54.522 in competition with some of these larger. And more like moral crises that we're 930 01:21:54.532 --> 01:21:58.882 dealing with so people in cages on the border in all other places of the U.S. 931 01:21:58.892 --> 01:22:03.112 Too and some of these other things but saying that like when I was talking with 932 01:22:03.122 --> 01:22:07.892 people you know canvassing or just like chatting with people about Net Neutrality I 933 01:22:07.902 --> 01:22:13.702 would say this issue is not in competition with your particular issue it's actually 934 01:22:14.302 --> 01:22:20.372 infrastructure for it so like you want to get your story out about housing. 935 01:22:22.042 --> 01:22:28.480 Well. News stations are necessarily showing up at Sam dairy farms or to Lincoln 936 01:22:28.490 --> 01:22:33.420 Heights but maybe your local radio station won't exactly and so do you want to lose 937 01:22:33.430 --> 01:22:37.750 that and obviously And I mean it's like intuitive when you start talking to people 938 01:22:37.760 --> 01:22:43.730 about it and so they see it as this issue is important also helps me you know save 939 01:22:43.740 --> 01:22:49.650 my housing or it helps me have access to quality education or whatever it may be so 940 01:22:49.880 --> 01:22:50.930 I think and we've had 941 01:22:50.940 --> 01:22:54.220 a lot of success with positioning in that way versus saying you shouldn't care 942 01:22:54.230 --> 01:22:58.230 about this issue you need to care about net neutrality it's really not positioning 943 01:22:58.240 --> 01:23:02.300 the most competitive to one another but rather this undergirds all of these other 944 01:23:02.310 --> 01:23:07.430 things and without this. This foundation it makes it that much more difficult for 945 01:23:07.440 --> 01:23:11.640 you to get your message out there to connect with other people for you to. Break 946 01:23:11.650 --> 01:23:15.880 that isolation and began organizing Yeah I think one thing that's really important 947 01:23:15.890 --> 01:23:22.230 in this moment is to try to offer support as much as you ask or it's so you know 948 01:23:22.270 --> 01:23:27.840 when I'm asking musicians to like can you help us out with this net neutrality 949 01:23:27.850 --> 01:23:31.290 thing getting that reciprocity So when musicians have 950 01:23:31.440 --> 01:23:35.900 a issue that's really high or high importance to them to have that same kind of 951 01:23:35.910 --> 01:23:41.510 support flowing back the other direction is really important in and building broad 952 01:23:41.520 --> 01:23:47.660 movements and sustainable movements or trends. So what other apps do we need 953 01:23:48.460 --> 01:23:52.850 on our on the variety of issues that we're working on to really bring different 954 01:23:52.860 --> 01:23:56.750 parts of. The you know if and when to call it 955 01:23:56.760 --> 01:24:03.580 a product campaign together other other apps that folks to me. Feel like 956 01:24:03.930 --> 01:24:08.540 it's got I think it's worth reminding everybody it was today it's August 1st OK 957 01:24:08.650 --> 01:24:15.020 that modesty recess is taking off and that hurts Fox and all her colleagues and all 958 01:24:15.200 --> 01:24:22.130 a lot of their staff are going to be at home and then going to be queues showing up 959 01:24:22.390 --> 01:24:26.500 having other conversations with people and this is an easy time to have 960 01:24:26.510 --> 01:24:32.140 a less formal conversation with your current leaders about stuff for the season for 961 01:24:32.150 --> 01:24:36.580 town halls or not over there so you know yes everyone needs to make 962 01:24:36.590 --> 01:24:41.150 a comment but I think everybody you can remind your communities that this is going 963 01:24:41.160 --> 01:24:44.370 on and take advantage of the time. The F.C.C. 964 01:24:44.380 --> 01:24:47.790 Had their go today because they wanted to get out of time going to get it down you 965 01:24:47.800 --> 01:24:50.500 know we can also take advantage of the time this is 966 01:24:50.510 --> 01:24:55.450 a chance to to really have some locally based conversations about local media. 967 01:25:01.411 --> 01:25:06.832 I think doubling that back when you meet 968 01:25:06.872 --> 01:25:13.682 a long. Day talk to them about the issue or some of them may come through your 969 01:25:13.692 --> 01:25:20.432 studio and some of them whether it's an LP F.M. Station of the community access T.V. 970 01:25:20.522 --> 01:25:26.593 In the studio work and talk to them and may not be the interviewer of the program 971 01:25:26.603 --> 01:25:31.303 or that there's nothing wrong if you have that kind of separation of church and 972 01:25:31.313 --> 01:25:36.363 state there so that you know that the general manager who's not on the air is not 973 01:25:36.373 --> 01:25:42.363 doing so is he you know about this. Sometimes people don't really know about. 974 01:25:43.310 --> 01:25:44.090 An F.C.C. 975 01:25:44.100 --> 01:25:51.162 Rule making that allows more interfere they haven't heard about. It 976 01:25:51.322 --> 01:25:56.662 because my one as would be for folks who are working on issues to just 977 01:25:57.654 --> 01:26:03.584 consistently appear and speak on on our platforms you know that we have you know if 978 01:26:03.594 --> 01:26:08.094 there is connect with producers who are doing shows or some lot of operations there 979 01:26:08.374 --> 01:26:13.124 their staff are these programs like in Philly can there there is people power lunch 980 01:26:13.134 --> 01:26:16.934 hour which is that's live on the radio every Wednesday there was also another 981 01:26:16.944 --> 01:26:20.344 program that we did we brought in non-profits and community groups but it's like 982 01:26:20.694 --> 01:26:25.764 you know have been like if you all are in town or wherever you go you travel on The 983 01:26:25.774 --> 01:26:30.424 View working with constituents out in the Bay area wherever you know taking those 984 01:26:30.434 --> 01:26:34.714 people to those outlets and having them tell the stories and then taking that 985 01:26:34.724 --> 01:26:39.124 documentation and those narratives and then like sharing it out probably also I 986 01:26:39.134 --> 01:26:39.664 think that's 987 01:26:39.674 --> 01:26:46.281 a that's very important because. I think that one you know what 988 01:26:46.581 --> 01:26:51.211 some of the work that it could have been doing has been trying to get folks in the 989 01:26:51.221 --> 01:26:57.751 arts and cultural sector to think of things more in terms of media equity I think 990 01:26:58.091 --> 01:27:02.101 a corollary to that is that I think there's an opportunity for folks to in public 991 01:27:02.111 --> 01:27:07.781 interest work and media work to think more in terms of labor justice I think 992 01:27:07.791 --> 01:27:14.321 there's some some really. Fruitful ground for collaboration along those lines and 993 01:27:14.701 --> 01:27:19.101 off of that my want to ask would be you know that intersection of often want if you 994 01:27:19.111 --> 01:27:22.451 don't understand what that means and you don't know what each of those 995 01:27:22.461 --> 01:27:27.911 intersections are about spend the time to research it and understand it it's 996 01:27:27.921 --> 01:27:33.151 a lot more listening right I think of it as some of the IT was describing it making 997 01:27:33.161 --> 01:27:40.011 space for folks to be understood and be heard even if it's not. For 998 01:27:40.021 --> 01:27:44.671 them. What we're we're getting close to it. 999 01:27:46.821 --> 01:27:51.231 And in part I don't know you know really appreciate you bringing everyone together 1000 01:27:51.241 --> 01:27:57.151 for this conversation. Is there anything you wanted you to charges were actually 1001 01:27:57.161 --> 01:27:59.151 N.C. It's not just me I got to give 1002 01:27:59.161 --> 01:28:05.761 a big shout out to to my partner in this endeavor Sabrina Roach as well thank you 1003 01:28:05.771 --> 01:28:11.601 Sabrina for your hard work and your investment your time to do this and yeah let's 1004 01:28:11.611 --> 01:28:15.801 do more let's keep pushing That's my charge you know they desist this isn't 1005 01:28:15.811 --> 01:28:19.531 a one time thing that will be on that we need to figure out the net beyond this 1006 01:28:19.541 --> 01:28:23.911 point how we can have more in-depth I love like this and really put some strategies 1007 01:28:23.921 --> 01:28:27.741 on the board and get into our local communities to give good so we can continue to 1008 01:28:27.751 --> 01:28:32.401 have our you know user resources that will focus we've had 1009 01:28:32.411 --> 01:28:38.101 a lot of the ideas here we hope folks are watching will share this. Video with 1010 01:28:38.781 --> 01:28:44.601 others in the community of course there's the hashtag search in the media. And so 1011 01:28:44.611 --> 01:28:47.861 there's lots of ways to gauge and to continue this conversation so thank you for 1012 01:28:47.871 --> 01:28:51.141 watching everyone is watching think through the roof here that made you think thank 1013 01:28:51.151 --> 01:28:56.511 you that it's. Been sort of in Spain.